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00:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 26818 points, T:25497, killed by a white unicorn, while fainted from lack of food
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02:29 <arahael_> > The magic-absorbing staff stuns the gnome queen!  You miss the gnome queen.
02:29 <arahael_> Hmm.  How does that work?
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02:33 <mobileuser> are you an illithid by any chance arahael_?
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02:35 <arahael_> mobileuser: I am.
02:36 <arahael_> OOoh, so it's my brain sucking attack that missed.
02:36 <mobileuser> heheh
02:36 <mobileuser> yup
02:39 <mobileuser> oh my, Friday the 13th
02:39 <arahael_> Oh just realised, thanks for that.
02:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 13325 points, T:9006, killed by an owlbear
02:40 <arahael_> Dang.
02:40 <arahael_> That owlbear was frightened of me, btw.
02:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 431 points, T:270, killed by a copper arrow, while sleeping
02:44 <arahael_> Oh wow, in this new game: +4 ring of protection.
02:47 <arahael_> I'm actually basically starting the game with AC:-1, which is amazing.
02:48 <cbus> you just wait for what the RNG got in store for you :D
02:49 <arahael_> :P
02:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1370 (0:13:08)
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04:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:40411 (23:54:22)
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05:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a boomerang on an altar, on T:3426 (2:19:01)
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05:20 <mobileuser> wtf, an ice trap at the same spot as my magic chest
05:20 <mobileuser> evil K2
05:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:12729 (2:19:49)
05:20 <mobileuser> EEVEEL
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05:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13005 (2:24:08)
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05:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:14704 (2:44:24)
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06:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Ishtar, on T:42312 (1 day, 1:03:11)
06:44 <mobileuser> crap
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06:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 55 points, T:149, killed by a boiling potion
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07:24 <mobileuser> got so excited when an NPC dropped "a bag", but it was just oilskin :-(
07:25 <mobileuser> where are the days of ez BoH from NPC...
07:35 <K2> a trap formed same space as magich chest?
07:35 <K2> -h
07:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided gray dragons, on T:85185 (1 day, 15:20:50)
07:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:85545 (1 day, 15:36:46)
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08:00 <mobileuser> oh hi K2
08:01 <mobileuser> yeah, ice trap on the same space as the magic chest in the ice queen level
08:02 <krm26> are ice traps not cancelable?
08:02 <mobileuser> nope
08:02 <K2> that was not intentional
08:02 <krm26> nooooooooooo
08:03 <krm26> took the stairs down and there was an adjacent vorpal jabberwock that instagibbed dagul
08:03 <krm26> guess it coulda been me
08:03 <mobileuser> noooooooooo
08:03 <krm26> reminder to always wield vorpal blade before descending stairs, sheesh
08:03 <mobileuser> Dagul :-(
08:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Ishtar, on T:44742 (1 day, 1:48:30)
08:05 <mobileuser> F
08:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 320 points, T:1126, killed by a water moccasin, while praying
08:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:25113 (9:34:11)
08:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:46251 (1 day, 2:04:03)
08:21 <mobileuser> lol, even short swords are advantaged technology for cavepeople
08:22 <krm26> justice for spears!
08:23 <krm26> spear and longsword damages should be swapped, spears should get the d12 vs large
08:23 <krm26> and they should be -1 to hit vs small, +1 to hit vs large
08:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:86340 (1 day, 16:04:31)
08:25 <krm26> sorry porky
08:28 <krm26> magicbane is no longer a bag of holding nuke, right?
08:34 <mobileuser> right
08:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:87330 (1 day, 16:28:02)
08:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:87331 (1 day, 16:28:07)
08:53 <krm26> argh why do player rogues always instantly steal my saddle
08:53 <krm26> ALWAYS
08:53 <krm26> 4th 1st turn steal this game
08:56 <mobileuser> grease the saddle
08:57 <krm26> ewww, is that your kink? greasy saddle, no pants?
08:57 <krm26> upset i didn't think of that :-)
09:03 <K2> heh
09:05 <krm26> they call me greasy saddle mcgill
09:05 <K2> latest bugs are recorded on the pad
09:05 <K2> nethackathon kicked off a lil over an hour ago
09:05 <K2> https://nethackathon.org/
09:14 <mobileuser> lol I don't even know if that helps, I have zero experience with riding
09:16 <mobileuser> a giant beetle finally dropped a BoH, hurrah!
09:17 <mobileuser> heh even the tortles have a support shaman
09:23 <mobileuser> heh, nethackathon on Friday the 13th
09:24 <K2> yeah
09:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 285 points, T:1225, killed by a coyote
09:24 <K2> and they started out as a pauper
09:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Kni Dro Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:17420 (2:02:02)
09:27 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, I have a regular saved game of Nethack but I can't seem to play Nethackathon.  Do I have to quit my NH game first?  That makes sense.
09:28 <dbanethacker> I guess there's no way to "put aside" my regular game of NH and play NHathon?
09:29 <mobileuser> play nethackathon? I don't get it
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09:32 <krm26> nethackathon isnt the one you play, it is the one other people play so you can mow the lawn
09:34 <arahael> I'm surprised to learn that adamantine helmets do not block psionics?
09:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:48735 (1 day, 2:46:40)
09:35 <mobileuser> now THAT's a spear
09:36 <mobileuser> what kind of helmet arahael
09:36 <arahael> mobileuser: +0 adamantine hard hat
09:37 <mobileuser> yeah that sounds strange
09:37 <arahael> I'm taking advantage of it though, but it's weird.  Mithril works too but I always considered that a special case somehow. 
09:38 <arahael> But now adamantine as well, that's odd.
09:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 6044 points, T:4550, killed by a baby yellow dragon, while praying
09:42 <arahael> Piosly aligned, too.
09:42 <arahael> I never quite know when prayer works or doesn't.
09:45 <mobileuser> one of the situations where it doesn't work is when your luck is negative
09:46 <mobileuser> Friday the 13th ;-)
09:46 <arahael> Ah, and fair enough.
09:46 <arahael> I think luck would be negative on this day.
09:47 <arahael> If only I had waited another 20 minutes!
09:48 <mobileuser> arahael I see in the source that only "heavy" metallic helmets block psionics
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09:48 <mobileuser> so adamantine is like mithril
09:50 <arahael> That makes sense now.
09:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had a cloak of magic resistance entrusted to her by Ishtar, on T:49005 (1 day, 2:53:34)
09:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create the Hammer of the Gods, on T:88164 (1 day, 17:37:00)
09:58 <mobileuser> krm26 have you ever received a cloak of magic resistance as sac gift?
09:58 <mobileuser> somehow I thought that was not on the gift list
09:59 <krm26> no i have not
09:59 <krm26> but k2 has namechecks everywhere to make sure i get lots of knives
10:00 <K2> :)
10:00 <krm26> dammit i have no spare wishes gimme ANGELSLAYER
10:00 <mobileuser> I was already wearing an MR cloak, that's probably why I got it ;-)
10:01 <K2> i see what happened with dbanethacker's issue from last night
10:01 <K2> he's fighting a water demon
10:02 <K2> water demon gets multiple attacks right? water demon attacks with 1st attack, is blocked by his silver shield of reflection, sear damage kills demon
10:02 <K2> but then the dead demon went ahead with its second attack
10:02 <K2> that was also blocked by silver shield
10:02 <K2> killed dead demon a 2nd time
10:02 <K2> program in disorder
10:03 <K2> i thought that was guarded against already
10:06 <mobileuser> interesting, I wielded Giantslayer without thinking, but the giant priest didn't get angry
10:07 <mobileuser> "You eviscerate the stone giant with a fatal stab!" woohoo!
10:08 <mobileuser> I hope that will work against Annam too
10:08 <K2> it can yes
10:10 <krm26> hmm excellence of cold resistance so i can ignore traps
10:10 <K2> evilhack made giantslayer (and other base artifacts) better but there's still a stigma against them
10:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide bracers of excellence", on T:88470 (1 day, 17:52:35)
10:15 <mobileuser> does giantslayer provide stability K2?
10:15 <K2> yup
10:15 <K2> immunity to knockback whilst wielded
10:15 <K2> WHILST
10:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 4 points, T:16, killed by a water demon
10:16 <mobileuser> \o/
10:16 <mobileuser> perfect
10:17 <K2> you should ascend with it
10:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed mithril magic lamp", on T:88496 (1 day, 17:58:37)
10:19 <krm26> i wonder what the longest wish chain has been
10:19 <krm26> lmap -> wish -> lamp -> wish -> lamp
10:22 <krm26> mmm man gotta cube up to eat damage rings, i hate having to do that
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10:27 <krm26> wtf
10:27 <krm26> my th with a basic skill aklys is 37, but with a basic hammer is 15
10:28 <krm26> ooooooops
10:28 <krm26> i may have lost a little brains somewhere
10:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had a chain mail entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:89060 (1 day, 18:19:39)
10:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:89224 (1 day, 18:24:51)
10:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had a bone axe entrusted to her by Lugh, on T:89425 (1 day, 18:31:58)
10:52 <krm26> come onnnnnnnnnn
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10:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) killed Annam, on T:49705 (1 day, 3:24:24)
10:59 <mobileuser> \o/
10:59 <krm26> oneshot with giantslayer?
10:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:49706 (1 day, 3:24:54)
11:01 <mobileuser> no, but plenty damage and the anti-knockback was nice
11:02 <krm26> im never gonna get angelslayer ugh exhausted
11:02 <mobileuser> YANI wielding Giantslayer allows you to pick up and throw boulders like a giant
11:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:6, killed by a water moccasin
11:03 <mobileuser> level up to 26 krm26
11:03 <rld> <@loggers_viii> caveman quest is one of the only times giantslayer is cool :p
11:04 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I don’t think giantslayer even gets its benefits against titans or minotaurs
11:04 <rld> <@loggers_viii> works on cyclops though
11:04 <mobileuser> I wonder how that works with the bane-against-H
11:05 <mobileuser> will find out later
11:05 <rld> <@loggers_viii> being a giant is like a flag that not all H monsters have
11:05 <K2> valk quest would also put giantslayer to good use
11:05 <mobileuser> I know, but usually banes seem to work on the "letter"
11:06 <K2> the knockback immunity from it makes it a viable weapon anywhere really
11:06 <rld> <@loggers_viii> oh yeah idk how it works on a technical level
11:06 <K2> wield giantslayer, cant get knocked back, profit
11:07 <rld> <@loggers_viii> knockback immunity isn’t too good in evilhack imo because monsters with knockback attacks are quite few and far between
11:07 <rld> <@loggers_viii> in 3.7 knockback immunity is really awesome because a ton of the late game monsters can knock you back
11:07 <K2> which ones in 3.7?
11:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:49880 (1 day, 3:33:12)
11:07 <rld> <@loggers_viii> it’s anything huge size or above I think
11:08 <rld> <@loggers_viii> dragons are probably the most prevalent
11:08 <K2> i wanna make a new body part w/ attack type (tail)
11:08 <K2> and let dragons swoosh their tail at you
11:08 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I think dnethack has dragon tail attacks but I dunno how it works
11:08 <rld> <@loggers_viii> it’s like a passive or something
11:09 <K2> huh
11:19 <rld> <@loggers_viii> apparently it’s an off turn attack
11:19 <rld> <@loggers_viii> they just toss it out for free
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11:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:89800 (1 day, 19:12:52)
11:41 <krm26> phew, had to get off the hill giant shaman insect train at 3 simultaneous shamans, was a little too intense
11:44 <krm26> some guy on reddit was complaining about orctown -- the BEST town -- poor fool
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12:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided shocking spheres, on T:90916 (1 day, 19:40:17)
12:02 <K2> yeah some players just dont understand how advantageous orctown can be
12:02 <K2> even without any live shopkeepers
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12:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 17 points, T:10, killed by a falling rock
12:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] beman (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 203 points, T:1282, killed by the wrath of Anhur
12:40 <krm26> it should be even better in vanilla than evilhack, right? poison doesnt instakill in vanilla does it? and the guaranteed coaligned altar artifacts is much better than some potential early protection
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12:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:91048 (1 day, 19:42:25)
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12:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:91588 (1 day, 19:50:51)
12:52 <krm26> there we go!
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13:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:92151 (1 day, 20:01:18)
13:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:92728 (1 day, 20:24:53)
13:41 <rebatela> man...i self poly'd a couple times (on purpose) but forgot about the stats jumbling and got royally screwed
13:42 <rebatela> lost over 100 maxhp, but more importantly other stuff. I was hoping prayer at an altar would maybe restore but i guess it changes the actualy max value 
13:42 <rebatela> and gain ability's aren't all that easy to come by late game, although i know there's a way to alchemize (that i'm looking up now!)
13:43 <rebatela> oh wow ok... it's a full healing + gain lvl or gain energy 
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14:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Unga (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 940 points, T:2627, killed by a wererat
14:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mayhem (Inf Dra Fem Una) averted death (killed by a giant cockroach), on T:671 (0:03:28)
14:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mayhem (Inf Dra Fem Una), 418 points, T:676, killed by a giant cockroach, while attempting to cheat Death
14:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mayhem (Inf Dra Fem Una) averted death (killed by a giant cockroach), on T:674 (0:03:30)
14:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mayhem (Con Dro Mal Cha), 34 points, T:173, killed by a jackal
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14:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1754 (0:16:34)
14:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Mayhem (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 298 points, T:1300, killed by a gnome lady
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14:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:920 (0:38:55)
14:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping the Amulet of Yendor on an altar, on T:3264 (0:25:23)
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14:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:1280 (0:43:25)
15:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] dedal (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 397 points, T:1449, killed by Gollum
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15:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 325 points, T:1477, killed by the Goblin King
15:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:6762 (0:47:36)
15:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6804 (0:47:58)
15:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 192 points, T:647, killed by a falling rock
15:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:6, killed by a water demon
15:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Dwa Mal Neu) had a chain mail entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:50202 (1 day, 4:08:17)
15:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (genetic engineers), on T:7996 (0:58:21)
15:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] AndyDufresne (Con Hum Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:31564 (17:53:29)
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15:57 <terrapin> strange; a peaceful elven wizard is firing missiles at me
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15:59 <K2> its done out of love
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16:15 <BobhamTook> Love and Rockets.
16:15 <BobhamTook> Wearing a conflict ring?
16:17 <BobhamTook> oh  wait... terrapin.    terrapin would know better
16:17 <BobhamTook> (did not look at nick name)
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16:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 826 points, T:2334, killed by a giant bat
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16:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3608 (0:25:30)
16:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:4379 (0:30:30)
17:05 <terrapin> ...you'd think so, wouldn't you
17:05 <terrapin> but in fact i was wearing one. oops!
17:05 <Umbire> hi terrapin 
17:05 <terrapin> thanks BobhamTook!
17:05 <terrapin> hi Umbire
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17:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 29942 points, T:14108, killed by a warg, while frozen by a potion
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17:38 <BobhamTook> man, I cannot _remember_ my last co-aligned altar in Minetown!
17:38 <BobhamTook> At least 10 or 15 games in a row have been cross-aligned.
17:41 <terrapin> oof!
17:42 <terrapin> thanks for pointing out the conflict possibility with the peaceful missile attack btw---turns out that was exactly it
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17:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Magus (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 10357 points, T:11077, killed by a soldier ant
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17:48 <BobhamTook> wearing a ring for an extended period of time to try an ID it?
17:49 <BobhamTook> Or, just forgot to take it off?
17:50 <BobhamTook> so what is syntax to limit specific roles in options file?
17:50 <BobhamTook> thought " ~ - Set role/race/&c filtering "
17:51 <BobhamTook> in the menu would make it permanent, but only works once,
17:51 <BobhamTook> I want only magic-users to be random
17:51 <BobhamTook> or, can you only set the options to one
17:51 <BobhamTook> one role
17:51 <BobhamTook> one alignment
17:51 <BobhamTook> one race
17:51 <BobhamTook> ?
17:53 <BobhamTook> I've tried it like 10 different ways and nothing works
17:55 <BobhamTook> cannot wait for midnight!
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18:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3085 (1:02:22)
18:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3123 (1:02:45)
18:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2497 points, T:3514, killed by a hezrou of Susanowo
18:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:16961 (1:44:15)
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18:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:142 (0:00:45)
18:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 471 points, T:202, killed by a piranha
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19:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 406 points, T:821, killed by Mr. Monbazillac; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
19:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 61128 points, T:20966, killed by a yeti, while fainted from lack of food
19:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3417 (1:10:18)
19:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1226 points, T:3419, killed by a gnome lady, while praying
19:17 <terrapin> !tell BobhamTook maybe check out https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options#CHOOSE? i've never messed around with it myself and it looks very fussy, but maybe worth it if you want to set & and forget it
19:17 <Hecubus> BobhamTook shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, terrapin.
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19:31 <K2> yeah i've never messed with that in my config either
19:31 <K2> i just set one and go
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19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1810 (0:15:31)
19:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 796 points, T:1759, killed by a sewer rat
19:58 <K2> :(
20:01 <terrapin> lost too much Int and had extra healing pre-memorized, so i suicided
20:01 <terrapin> i'm aiming for illiterate. shoot for the moon, right?
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20:57 <BobhamTook> Thanks, terrapin.
20:57 <Hecubus> BobhamTook: Message from terrapin at 2024-09-13 19:17 EDT: maybe check out https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Options#CHOOSE? i've never messed around with it myself and it looks very fussy, but maybe worth it if you want to set & and forget it
20:58 <BobhamTook> I scoured that page already in hopes to figure something out
21:00 <BobhamTook> to me, options (and some of the options page info) are not very intuitive.
21:01 <BobhamTook> i understand all the basic options that affect me in game to where I am happy
21:01 <BobhamTook> I am sure there are others that might make my lifer easier that I just do not know about.
21:02 <BobhamTook> So.
21:02 <BobhamTook> If I start a character now, will they still be unlucky at 12:01 tonight when I pick it back up?
21:03 <BobhamTook> I usually just do not play any roguelikes on Friday the 13th.
21:05 <terrapin> as long as you save and restore the game after 12 your luck will be normal
21:07 <BobhamTook> that is what I thought
21:07 <BobhamTook> and the only  way to raise luck during the 13th hours are sacrifice, stone, throwing to unis. the usual.
21:08 <terrapin> yup
21:08 <BobhamTook> turns/time will not make it time out?
21:09 <BobhamTook> so, new characters will always have 1 level of bad luck?
21:09 <BobhamTook> unless "remedied?"
21:09 <BobhamTook> luck in other roguelikes I understand
21:09 <terrapin> correct. your baseline luck is decreased, so in fact if you do e.g. get one luck via sacrifice to end up at 0, it will time out back to -1 over several hundred turns
21:09 <BobhamTook> in NetHack its always been a bit muddled for me
21:10 <BobhamTook> exactly.
21:10 <BobhamTook> I appreciate info
21:10 <BobhamTook> so, I understnad it better than I thought
21:11 <terrapin> nice!
21:11 <BobhamTook> and for setting roles, race, alignment, etc. — I know how to set just _one_   - - - that is easy.  I would like to set multiples.
21:12 <BobhamTook> It is just OPTIONS=role:rogue
21:12 <BobhamTook> and on down the line
21:12 <BobhamTook> to set multiples is where I hit a snag
21:12 <BobhamTook> It errors out
21:12 <BobhamTook> maybe you just cannot do it?
21:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2368 (0:59:34)
21:14 <krm26> you can have as many options settings as you want
21:14 <krm26> you can inspect someone else's rc on hardfought to get an idea of what you can do
21:14 <krm26> (take a look at mine if you want -- can copy them too)
21:14 <BobhamTook> yes, but to set so it is only wizard, priest, infidel, healer?
21:15 <krm26> oh sorry, i missed exactly what you were asking --
21:15 <krm26> you could have several different lines and comment out the ones you dont want
21:15 <terrapin> yeah you can only specify one race/role/etc
21:15 <krm26> OPTIONS=role:healer,race:orc,align:c
21:15 <krm26> #OPTIONS=role:wizard,race:elf
21:15 <krm26> etc
21:16 <terrapin> how many rrac combos would you like to choose from?
21:16 <BobhamTook> I want all races, all alignments just want to limit to spellcasters
21:16 <terrapin> wiz/pri/hea/inf?
21:17 <BobhamTook> if you set multiple lines, it only accepts the first one, any more lines and gives an error
21:17 <BobhamTook> I tried commenting out/having multiple role:foo lines
21:17 <terrapin> I think it would work if you put "CHOOSE=rrac1,rrac2,rrac3,rrac4" at the top of your rc
21:17 <terrapin> then copy the entire rest of your rc four times
21:18 <terrapin> and put "OPTIONS=role:wiz" at the top of the first, "OPTIONS=role:pri" at the top of the second, etc.
21:19 <terrapin> and finally put "[rrac1]" at the top of first, "[rrac2]" at the top of the second, etc.
21:19 <BobhamTook> did not know you could have multiple sets....
21:19 <terrapin> idk if there's a more elegant way to do it, but it should function
21:20 <BobhamTook> and I guess I may not be making myself entirely clear:  I want the random picker in the menu to only pick from those items.
21:21 <BobhamTook> it would also be nice to have only the selections I want, too
21:21 <BobhamTook>  if I set hobbit only, the games starts:
21:21 <terrapin> ah right. you'd need to specify race:random,align:random,gender:random as well
21:21 <BobhamTook> "Shall I pick your hobbit's role, gender and alignment for you? [ynaq]'
21:22 <terrapin> i don't think there's a way to set it up to manually pick from spellcasters without using the filter options each new game like you were talking about earlier
21:23 <BobhamTook> yeah, that is what I was thinking
21:23 <BobhamTook> in may latter years I enjoy the challenge roles and magic users
21:23 <BobhamTook> in my youth it was all valkyries, samurais and barbarians.
21:24 <BobhamTook> rarely do I wan to play those when picked randomly.
21:24 <BobhamTook> I like Evil expanded combinations.
21:24 <BobhamTook> Sleceting random gives me options that I may not choose myself and give me a different prespective/way of playing the game
21:28 <krm26> if you get a role you arent normally that interested in, make it a giant, draugr, tortle, or centaur for an evilhack change of pace
21:28 <krm26> (note tortle is much more challenging while the other three you may find a little more powerful than the standard races)
21:29 <krm26> centaur knight, giant barbarian, draugr rogue -- all crazy fun with some unique stuff
21:29 <BobhamTook> yeah tortle is crazy
21:29 <BobhamTook> only tortle I've been able to get going is a monk
21:30 <krm26> yeah, with tortle it is tempting to just shrug your shoulders and do nudist
21:30 <BobhamTook> draugr i cam close to ascension run
21:30 <BobhamTook> ^came
21:30 <krm26> heh, my first draugr i can instagibbed by sunsword on astral. good times!
21:30 <krm26> can/got, must be sunsetting
21:31 <K2> heh
21:32 <BobhamTook> draugr at first first I though would be hard but mid/late game advantages are amazing
21:32 <BobhamTook> once you get them going and past the food problem
21:32 <krm26> yeah it can be a challenge to your first ring of slow digestion
21:33 <K2> you've got some really difficult race/role combos, but some very powerful ones as well
21:33 <BobhamTook> i really should just win the game with a centaur knight and stop punishing myself with challenge roles....
21:33 <K2> new easy mode is centaur valk hah
21:34 <K2> or centaur knight
21:37 <krm26> draugr infidel with no crowning!
21:38 <BobhamTook> hmm?  thought mobileuser ascended with theirs?
21:38 <BobhamTook> oh
21:38 <BobhamTook> crwoning
21:38 <BobhamTook> crowning
21:39 <BobhamTook> wow... what a serious brainfart
21:39 <krm26> that would mean spell-free infidel
21:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bone crude dagger on an altar, on T:3538 (1:29:04)
21:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1497 (0:30:37)
21:44 <BobhamTook> yeeeeaahhhh.... another aspect of unlucky I forgot: basically impossible to convert an altar?
21:45 <BobhamTook> it can only convert you if you have negative/low alignment  though, right?
21:45 <Umbire> Without further luck
21:46 <Umbire> Yeah, your alignment has to be negative or your god has to be angry
21:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Regne (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1552 points, T:3905, killed by a giant leech
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21:59 <Umbire> terrapin, engulfing a footrice without digesting it would still turn the engulfer to stone, right?
21:59 <Umbire> All the vanilla engulfers are already stoning resistant so I figured I'd ask in variant channels
22:01 <K2> i can recreate dbanethackers bug from earlier
22:01 <K2> working on a fix
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22:10 <terrapin> Umbire yes
22:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2741 (0:13:19)
22:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 darts on an altar, on T:3718 (0:19:33)
22:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:4446 (0:27:47)
22:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:26486 (10:41:29)
22:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu), 471551 points, T:26521, killed by Kathryn the Enchantress
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22:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2185 (0:52:28)
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23:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:12009 (1:22:01)
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23:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:12711 (1:27:16)
23:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:15158 (1:42:07)
23:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 78 points, T:227, killed by a boulder
23:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 97 points, T:222, killed by a boulder
23:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1263 (0:06:16)