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00:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2286 (0:13:29)
00:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:2730 (0:15:58)
00:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3318 points, T:3408, poisoned by a giant mosquito
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00:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:28671 (6:35:40)
00:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28674 (6:35:50)
00:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:29459 (6:53:15)
00:46 <bouquet> EotA still gives MR while worn in Evilhack, right?
00:49 <Umbire> Yes
00:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4784 points, T:4776, killed by the Goblin King, while sleeping
01:00 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Umbire_the_Phantom/Wizard%27s_Tower_(EvilHack)&diff=169368&oldid=168692
01:00 <Umbire> how's this look
01:08 <Loggers_VIII> looks good to me
01:20 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wizard%27s_Tower_(EvilHack)
01:21 <Loggers_VIII> maybe add a history section saying it was introduced in 0.8.3 and that the zoo was changed to the lava room in 0.8.4
01:21 <Loggers_VIII> otherwise looks good
01:22 <Loggers_VIII> it might not have been introduced in 0.8.3, so check that if you do it
01:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had an alchemy smock entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:25433 (6:06:49)
01:40 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, right - also obvs. feel free to edit if you have anything
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01:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of gauntlets of protection, on T:16894 (3:45:49)
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02:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 662 points, T:1537, killed by a manes, while frozen by a monster's gaze
03:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "fireproof marker", on T:34469 (1 day, 4:35:11)
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03:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:8902 (0:59:55)
03:59 <xdminsy> Hell no Lolth is angry at me, then I read some scrolls that one is reomve curse.
04:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 1508 points, T:9508, killed by an iguana, while fainted from lack of food
04:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:35534 (1 day, 5:40:01)
04:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] darkmiz (Tou Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3936 (1:03:56)
04:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] darkmiz (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4249 points, T:4336, killed by a vampire bat
04:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:12734 (2:27:54)
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05:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14560 (2:51:35)
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07:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Set, on T:27908 (12:18:51)
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07:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Koeranen (Ran Elf Fem Neu) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Venus, on T:20037 (3:58:55)
08:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Staengia (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 388 points, T:1571, killed by a bolt of lightning
08:19 <NetSysFire> !lastgame Staengia
08:19 <Hecubus> NetSysFire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Staengia/evilhack/dumplog/1717589266.evil.html
08:20 <NetSysFire> a water demon
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08:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:28350 (12:46:24)
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08:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 142 points, T:2295, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food
08:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 5 points, T:429, killed by a kobold, while fainted from lack of food
08:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1589 (1:09:10)
08:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a cockatrice, on T:28029 (8:07:09)
08:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:29123 (13:08:05)
08:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29125 (13:08:16)
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09:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4329 (0:26:46)
09:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ratinthecat (Bar Cen Mal Neu), 13780 points, T:4763, killed by Mr. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
09:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:28944 (8:30:31)
09:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28945 (8:30:33)
09:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4860 (0:32:05)
09:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 347 points, T:4871, killed by a scroll of earth
09:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) refused to give up The Ring of P'hul to Pelias, on T:29774 (8:39:16)
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09:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Set, on T:30138 (8:53:05)
09:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Set, on T:30506 (9:01:20)
09:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Delraven (Inf Dro Mal Una), 538 points, T:1425, killed by a large mimic
09:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Set, on T:30551 (9:02:55)
09:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a glass helmet entrusted to her by Set, on T:31297 (9:07:17)
09:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Set, on T:32116 (9:10:52)
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10:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of steel gauntlets of power entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:39744 (9:31:32)
10:16 <K2> ooh steel
10:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had an alchemy smock entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:39978 (9:32:31)
10:17 <krm26> so i guess i'm going to need to polymorph into something smart and read blessed amnesia at some point
10:21 <K2> what did i make the cutoff? 13?
10:21 <K2> or 15
10:22 <krm26> thought it was 15 but wiki says 143
10:22 <krm26> 13
10:22 <K2> yeah 13
10:22 <krm26> reading cursed amnesia sucks away, i wanna say, 5 skill levels?
10:23 <rebatela> how can clay be inedible.. I eat it ALL THE TIME Q
10:23 <rebatela> maybe not clay increase damage rings, but i COULD 
10:23 <bouquet> K2: is burning hands supposed to only work with hand-to-hand?  No effect if hitting with a weapon?
10:25 <rebatela> might go make myself a clay sandwich right now as a matter of fact
10:27 <K2> bouquet yes
10:27 <K2> wont work if you're wielding something
10:27 <bouquet> makes sense.
10:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a leather cloak entrusted to her by Set, on T:36760 (9:48:47)
10:27 <bouquet> I'm not a very punchy wizard so I guess we'll never know how well it works
10:29 <K2> in my current wiz game i've been purposely fighting bare handed against easier monsters to train up bare handed fighting
10:29 <K2> so when i find burning hands or shocking grasp, game on baby
10:30 <K2> extend index finger, touch monsters nose and go *boop*
10:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] jientho (Mon Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1043 (0:57:57)
10:32 <bouquet> is it that good?
10:33 <bouquet> is it better than expert quarter staff and a +7 magicbane?
10:34 <K2> prob not
10:34 <K2> get enchantment skill up to expert 
10:34 <K2> damage scales
10:34 <bouquet> cool
10:35 <bouquet> force bolt has been great, btw.
10:35 <K2> awesome. yeah i'm enjoying my current game too
10:35 <K2> so far havent used a weapon at all
10:35 <krm26> conversely so far havent used a spell at all :-)
10:36 <K2> heh
10:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:39283 (9:57:15)
10:36 <bouquet> I only started using a weapon when magicbane appeared.
10:36 <bouquet> which I think is as it should be
10:38 <K2> i played a lot of wiz games testing, but its not quite the same as a serious legit game during a tournament
10:38 <K2> i feel like i'm on the right track with wizard, but we'll see
10:38 <krm26> cant wait to play with spell changes after this draugr
10:38 <krm26> ugh, can make shadowblade now, but WHY
10:39 <K2> krm26 a fair amount of what we discuss months ago is in
10:39 <krm26> so excited!
10:39 <K2> *discussed
10:39 <krm26> but this draugr will take me a week if i dont bone it
10:39 <K2> eww
10:39 <krm26> dont knock it until youve tried it
10:40 <krm26> are quest dudes always hostile to draugr? didnt think i did anything to my record
10:40 <rebatela> what are the spell changes?
10:40 <bouquet> is it pronounced "drag-err" or "drow-err" or?
10:41 <rld> <@loggers_viii> draw-grr is how I do it
10:41 <rld> <@loggers_viii> dunno if that’s the same as drag-err, just how it makes sense to me
10:41 <bouquet> rebatela: notably force bolt scales with skill level and only costs 1 power so wizards can be useful and weaponless until magicbane.
10:42 <bouquet> there's also burning hands spell
10:42 <bouquet> I think maybe shocking grasp too?
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10:43 <K2> yes
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10:43 <K2> and force bolt only costs 1 pw for wizards onlly
10:43 <K2> still 5 pw for every other role
10:43 <rebatela> neat
10:44 <K2> force bolt damage and to-hit scales with attack spell skill
10:44 <bouquet> what are the scaling effects?  Is it just scaled by skill or level?
10:44 <K2> skill
10:44 <bouquet> there ya go
10:44 <rebatela> i mean.. I guess I never play wizards anyway. Although, I always thought they were supposed to have a hard early game
10:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Set, on T:39735 (10:05:38)
10:44 <bouquet> they do
10:44 <K2> yteah they still do
10:44 <rebatela> i'm sure!
10:45 <rebatela> no, I was serious. Sounds cool, and probably long overdue
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10:46 <rebatela> And thinking about it, I guess the frustration of running out of PW so easily was one of the reasons i WOULDN'T play wiz when i was learning the game
10:47 <rebatela> and like, before you have magicbane those early XL levels are beyond squishy. Melee isn't an option at all (for wizard)
10:49 <krm26> does anybody make/use shadowblade?
10:50 <K2> SB is available to more race/role now
10:51 <krm26> it just looks like it is only preferable to stormbringer itself for rogues, and even then, eh
10:53 <K2> oh wait
10:53 <K2> no its not
10:53 <K2> but
10:54 <K2> you either need to be chaotic (any race) or drow (any alignment) to wield shadowblade
10:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] jientho (Mon Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a bolt of fire), on T:1624 (1:24:04)
11:00 <xdminsy> I think the damage output of shadowblade seems too low, and only 1d3/1d4 against drain resistant monsters makes them ughh.
11:00 <xdminsy> I found that hobbits or kobolds with strong ranged projectiles will keep distance at me.
11:01 <xdminsy> They deliberately not to get close to me.
11:01 <xdminsy> Is that evilhack mechanism or vanilla thing?
11:23 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I like stormbringer more because runesword is better than athame on the badass scale
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11:25 <rld> <@loggers_viii> I think a good buff to shadow blade would be to give it aura of darkness like a mlamp and also ultravision instead of the darkness invoke
11:25 <rld> <@loggers_viii> ultravision is really really good
11:26 <mobileuser> dammit krm26 you've already overtaken me
11:26 <mobileuser> you speed devil
11:31 <xdminsy> And loggers +0 stormy can do average 11 damage while shadowblade do 8, the 1d4 + 1d10.
11:32 <krm26> dont worry mobileuser, im paralyzed with skill use indecision now and going nowhere
11:32 <xdminsy> Creating it actually lowers you damage in all cases.
11:34 <terrapin> i think +0 stormbringer is 7.5/8 while +0 shadowblade is 10/9.5 vs. non--drain resistant
11:34 <rebatela> OH NEAT! the frost salamander had a death wand AND + of finger of death
11:34 <terrapin> oh wait sorry 9/8.5
11:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] jientho (Mon Dra Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a bolt of fire), on T:2189 (2:01:31)
11:34 <terrapin> so admittedly a small increase
11:36 <xdminsy> How do you calculate that terrapin, stormy deals 11/10.5 damage.
11:36 <mobileuser> I was wondering why you said you couldn't use blessed amnesia, but it's that int limit of course
11:36 <xdminsy> Or is it nerfed in evilhack?
11:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance", on T:44284 (10:40:09)
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11:37 <terrapin> oh forgot the ~1d8 drained health
11:38 <terrapin> but that applies equally to both weapons
11:38 <xdminsy> Oh well, the 1d8 is draining, I see my bad.
11:39 <[> a major advantage of shadowblade is that it's actually usable due to not having the annoying bloodthirstiness interface screw
11:39 <xdminsy> The stormy page has it on damage while the shadowblade page didn't lol :P
11:39 <terrapin> not counting that (it varies depending on the target anyway), it's (2d4/1d6+1)+1(steel)+1d2 vs. (1d4/1d3)+1(adamantine)+1d10
11:40 <terrapin> the perils of trusting the wiki!
11:40 <terrapin> the wiki stills says pickaxes are +0 to hit smh
11:40 <xdminsy> Lol then shadowblade did do more damage.
11:41 <[> Why does Stormbringer (metal) + Werebane (silver) = Shadowblade (adamantine)?
11:41 <xdminsy> You are right, the material I forget too.
11:41 <xdminsy> Maybe just make it stronger?
11:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had 18 steel shuriken entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:44569 (10:45:04)
11:42 <xdminsy> For it's +2 damage.
11:42 <[> Make it silver
11:42 <terrapin> noisytoot because magic
11:43 <xdminsy> Oh yes, silver can do more damage to bosses.
11:43 <terrapin> silver was floated at one point but i don't think k2 was a fan
11:43 <xdminsy> I like the idea, make it silver :)
11:43 <terrapin> i could be misremembering though
11:43 <xdminsy> artifact silver dagger sounds powerful.
11:44 <xdminsy> [ I think Werebane isn't in recipe before and at that time Shadowblade is already adamantine maybe.
11:44 <xdminsy> What's the recipe before, I can't remember, maybe a neutral artifact.
11:46 <terrapin> used to use grimtooth, which was super hard to get for drow and other orc-hating races
11:48 <xdminsy> Ah yes exactly.
11:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a glass ring mail entrusted to her by Set, on T:43286 (11:15:21)
12:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Pri Trt Mal Law), 2690 points, T:4637, killed by a hobbit zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze
12:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Set, on T:44204 (11:43:28)
12:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a long sword entrusted to her by Set, on T:44416 (11:46:27)
12:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Set, on T:44589 (11:53:07)
12:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] jientho (Mon Dra Fem Cha), 2973 points, T:2729, killed by a soldier ant, while attempting to cheat Death
12:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Law), 473746 points, T:32832, quit
12:41 <krm26> !lastgame k3ut0i
12:41 <Hecubus> krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1697787399.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1695988818.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1696613916.evil.html
12:41 <krm26> odd
12:42 <terrapin> probably wanted to start a 0.8.4 game
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12:42 <k3ut0i> hi guys. long time
12:42 <terrapin> long time no see k3ut0i!
12:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a leather cloak of protection entrusted to her by Set, on T:45174 (12:04:04)
12:43 <krm26> quit to start a draugr, k3ut0i?
12:44 <k3ut0i> dragur??
12:44 <k3ut0i> I wanted to see what's new
12:44 <krm26> new zombie race
12:44 <k3ut0i> also my monk lost weaponless conduct...
12:46 <k3ut0i> Are zombies allowed in shops and temples?
12:47 <krm26> nope
12:47 <terrapin> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Draugr_(starting_race)
12:47 <krm26> well, coaligned temples i think
12:48 <k3ut0i> wow... that's a lot of resists
12:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to her by Set, on T:46812 (12:14:47)
13:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Set, on T:47402 (12:21:54)
13:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:47841 (12:26:22)
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13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Dra Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1203 (0:27:47)
13:15 <rebatela> critical healing?!?\
13:17 <rebatela> soooooo what does it do?
13:28 <terrapin> it heals you, but only after explaining how a better player wouldn't have needed the spell in the first place
13:29 <terrapin> more seriously: https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/10089bbf63a47ffccd41a4ccff6617502a907a52
13:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:49434 (12:12:33)
13:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:29903 (13:25:26)
13:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:51861 (12:29:30)
13:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 grayswandir", on T:51862 (12:29:49)
13:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:51882 (12:31:19)
13:52 <rebatela> tx terrapin
13:53 <rebatela> haha took me a second ;)
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14:06 <krm26> is there a special nurse interaction with draugr?
14:07 <krm26> apparently not, boo!
14:07 <rebatela> not yet
14:12 <nabru> "You look strange! Go to an hospital ASAP!"
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14:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:54109 (13:39:40)
14:18 <bouquet> omg finally got to the point in this game I can cast AoE spells. I forgot how brutal that is.
14:19 <bouquet> makes those '@'s disappear fast
14:31 <krm26> almost as fast as your spell power will disappear
14:31 <krm26> lawful wizard with the staff, purity, and mitre can really light things up tho
14:33 <xdminsy> Those can stack?
14:36 <bouquet> I have eota so power regen is quick.
14:40 <bouquet> we got these really smart hummingbirds here. THey buzz by my window and give me the stinkeye if I haven't refilled their syrup dispensers
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14:41 <K2> heh
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14:48 <krm26> i asked and already forgot in my senescence -- lycanthropy? draugr? still susceptible?
14:51 <K2> yes
14:51 <krm26> weeird
14:51 <krm26> but cant eat wolfsbane
14:51 <K2> yeah we said that yesterday
14:51 <K2> there are other ways to cure it
14:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 30689 points, T:13923, poisoned by a rotted iguana corpse
14:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a pair of kicking boots entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:33724 (7:54:43)
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15:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1491 (0:14:38)
15:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Dra Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Set, on T:31157 (13:52:49)
15:12 <mobileuser> no extrinsic fire res whilst wielding Angelslayer?
15:12 <mobileuser> boo!
15:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2098 (0:28:41)
15:32 <mobileuser> "You can't breathe, but you don't need to."
15:32 <mobileuser> heheh
15:36 <krm26> dichotomy not giving me any problems tho
15:37 <krm26> i do wish i had mjollnir to dual wield with it instead of stormbringer
15:37 <krm26> im afraid of wasting skill on angelslayer
15:37 <krm26> when there is a 50/50 i'll turn it into soa
15:39 <krm26> !whereis mobileuser
15:39 <Hecubus> krm26: [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil]: (Bar Dra Mal Cha) T:32283 The Dungeons of Doom level: 17
15:39 <mobileuser> yeah I'm out of skill points
15:40 <mobileuser> but hey, at some point there will be wraith eating
15:42 <mobileuser> dichotomy isn't great when you have a balrog pet
15:42 <krm26> lucky!
15:42 <krm26> im petless
15:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37468 (1 day, 8:19:29)
15:43 <krm26> have yet to enter a shop
15:43 <mobileuser> you know about the rules for number of pets?
15:43 <mobileuser> (just kill the shopkeeper yourself)
15:43 <mobileuser> the new rules
15:43 <krm26> no
15:44 <mobileuser> max pets = cha / 3
15:44 <mobileuser> my woollies were nerfed
15:44 <krm26> nooooo
15:45 <krm26> so unfair, i almost never used more than 15
15:45 <krm26> where i will miss that most is confused taming the bottom of the wizards tower
15:45 <krm26> mainly for speed
15:46 <mobileuser> and with Ch:6 for draugr, 2 pets max
15:46 <mobileuser> but you can wield a weapon of excellence of course
15:48 <mobileuser> bottom of the wizards tower has a lot less monsters now btw
15:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1074 (0:35:08)
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16:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:57287 (15:24:09)
16:17 <mobileuser> I don't dare Ludios yet without ESP
16:18 <krm26> why not?
16:18 <mobileuser> before you know it there is a beholder staring at you
16:18 <krm26> eh ez come ez go
16:18 <krm26> (and i have warning)
16:19 <mobileuser> yeah me too
16:19 <krm26> i guess i could burn my magic lamp for a shirt of esp but i figure my god will eventually dump a helm on me
16:19 <mobileuser> but still
16:19 <mobileuser> SCARY
16:20 <mobileuser> p'hul freed up my amulet slot, if only ESP would drop... but at some point I can polypile one anyway
16:21 <krm26> i have found 0 useful amulets so far except reflection, and i have dragonbane...dying for esp or flight or even guarding
16:22 <mobileuser> same, but at least I got a polywand and lots of amulets of change
16:23 <mobileuser> still no BoH
16:23 <krm26> same!
16:23 <mobileuser> in my previous game, RNG was positively throwing them at me, but not this time
16:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Kni Dra Fem Cha) averted death (burned by molten lava), on T:13981 (3:39:04)
16:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Bishop (Kni Dra Fem Cha), 21968 points, T:13999, burned by molten lava, while attempting to cheat Death
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16:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Inf Orc Fem Una), 28 points, T:29, killed by a kobold
16:25 <krm26> !lastgame Bishop
16:25 <Hecubus> krm26: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bishop/evilhack/dumplog/1651552046.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bishop/evilhack/dumplog/1717473861.evil.html
16:29 <mobileuser> "You sense a faint wave of psychic energy."
16:29 <mobileuser> K2 how is that possible? I don't have telepathy or ESP.
16:31 <Umbire> You don't need either of them
16:31 <Umbire> Never did
16:34 <mobileuser> that's weird
16:35 <krm26> we are only pseudo-brainless, just like irl
16:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Law), 929 points, T:1624, zombified by an elf zombie
16:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of esp", on T:59163 (15:52:29)
16:36 <krm26> hah! chew on that beholders!
16:36 <mobileuser> lucky wish?
16:36 <krm26> no, i burnt my lamp
16:37 <mobileuser> D:
16:37 <krm26> been 3 games since i got my first lamp wish, about time
16:37 <krm26> i just like the light for mapping but dont need it, just my stupid ocd
16:37 <mobileuser> role reversal, I am actually keeping my magic lamp :-P
16:38 <krm26> what is the world coming to!
16:39 <krm26> !whereis mobileuser
16:39 <Hecubus> krm26: [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil]: (Bar Dra Mal Cha) T:32560 The Dungeons of Doom level: 18
16:39 <krm26> i should just pull you up in a window for constant spying
16:39 <mobileuser> dammit a gelcube just ate all the corpses I wanted to eat
16:39 <mobileuser> lol
16:41 <mobileuser> phew there is a second pile of corpses
16:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Dwa Fem Law), 554 points, T:1426, killed by a wererat
16:43 <krm26> i wonder if i can go back and kill my quest dude now that i have dichotomy
16:43 <krm26> how tough is he?
16:44 <mobileuser> Pelias has a very dangerous melee attack
16:45 <mobileuser> but fine if you have good AC and plenty of HP
16:47 <krm26> oww half hp in 2 rounds, i'm leaving
16:48 <krm26> 167hp/-35ac not good enough at this speed
16:49 <krm26> i miss having a 0.0001% chance of polying a unihorn into a marker. i wish there was something else fun you could get out of magical tools
16:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Dwa Fem Law), 818 points, T:1298, killed by a poisonous corpse
16:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] klepto (Val Hum Fem Law), 203 points, T:737, killed by a small mimic
17:02 <krm26> boh!
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17:07 <mobileuser> \o/
17:08 <krm26> on that note time to bake
17:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hanran24 (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 1571 points, T:2322, killed by a rothe
17:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Menche (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:4187 (2:03:21)
17:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Menche (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 5329 points, T:4218, killed by a piranha
17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:38206 (9:22:34)
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18:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:33067 (8:17:12)
18:14 <K2> i'm recording all of the quirks being noticed with draugr
18:16 <K2> are any of you making use of OPTIONS=underline_peacefuls ?
18:28 <Umbire> I will when I finally open a game slot
18:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:33635 (8:49:40)
18:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) murdered her faithful ancient pseudodragon, on T:33786 (8:52:33)
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19:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:35201 (9:22:29)
19:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1881824 points, T:36302, escaped
19:21 <K2> !lastgame
19:21 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Frozty/evilhack/dumplog/1680458721.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1717622295.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/darkmiz/evilhack/dumplog/1717571772.evil.html
19:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:35466 (9:30:59)
19:25 <krm26> wtf Frozty
19:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a silver shield of light entrusted to her by Set, on T:64709 (17:31:44)
19:29 <K2> ooh nice
19:30 <Umbire> the ol' Gremlin Duster
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19:45 <bouquet> I think I found a bug. I was 100% cold resist, I put on a cold resist ring then took it off, now I'm freezing to death.  I don't believe I recently stepped on a cold trap.
19:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 555 points, T:2183, killed by a baby owlbear
20:06 <K2> bouquet did a monster cast a vulnerability spell at you?
20:06 <bouquet> I don't think so. I was all alone in the middle level of ice realm poly piling. Nobody around.
20:07 <K2> and if you did step on an ice trap, since you dont get cold res from your race/role, it very well would have stripped some of your cold res
20:07 <bouquet> ya, that happened earlier, but I recovered it by eating a couple yetis
20:07 <K2> if you're in the ice queen realm, 10 bucks says you stepped on an ice trap
20:07 <K2> maybe not fully
20:08 <K2> you have enlightenment?
20:08 <bouquet> no
20:08 <bouquet> I'm 99% certain I didn't step on an ice trap this time around.
20:09 <K2> 2 yeti corpses wont gain you 50% cold res.
20:09 <K2> need more
20:09 <K2> MOAR
20:09 <bouquet> maybe I nibbled on a silver dragon
20:10 <bouquet> with some ice salamander salad
20:10 <krm26> mmm saladmander
20:11 <Umbire> silver dragons don't give cold res either
20:12 <Umbire> (from meat)
20:13 <bouquet> in any case, I definitely was 100% cold resist.  Was doing polypiling. Tried on a ring. Took it off. "You're freezing to death"
20:13 <bouquet> I'll go find the dang ttyrec
20:22 <bouquet> around turn 36020 my mammoth steps on an ice trap while I'm riding but I don't lose cold resist.
20:22 <bouquet> I spend the next several hundred turns polypiling.
20:23 <bouquet> oh... is it because I'm not wearing body armor?
20:24 <bouquet> that appears to be it :P Sorry
20:25 <bouquet> or who knows... I left and returned and now I'm not freezing to death.
20:30 <Umbire> Maybe an error from it occurring while riding?
20:30 <Umbire> Or armor with cold res prop
20:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Set, on T:70587 (18:51:16)
20:50 <K2> right. you can lose intrinsic cold res, but if you had extrinsic cold res, you wouldnt notice
20:50 <K2> until you took off the source of extrinsic cold res
20:51 <bouquet> if I take off my body armor I freeze to death.
20:51 <bouquet> does body armor give cold protection?
20:52 <K2> it can depending on what it is
20:52 <K2> what are you wearing
20:52 <K2> hah
20:52 <bouquet> wouldn't you like to know!
20:52 <K2> :P
20:52 <bouquet> studded dragon hide
20:52 <K2> not dragon-scaled?
20:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a spear entrusted to her by Set, on T:71861 (18:58:03)
20:53 <bouquet> oh dang, it's silver scaled
20:53 <K2> yup
20:53 <bouquet> thanks obama
20:53 <K2> silver-scaled armor will give cold res
20:53 <bouquet> ya, I know. I just totally spaced on everything
20:53 <K2> my wiz found some dragonhide armor in a shop, and speed boots
20:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1622 points, T:3972, killed by a giant mosquito
20:54 <bouquet> I got a dragonhide robe which I'm wearing, casually.
20:54 <K2> wewp
20:54 <K2> i'm almost 7k turns in and still havent used a weapon
20:54 <bouquet> between my armor and robe I almost have a full dragon
20:54 <bouquet> ya, was the same for me. Force bolt is a game changer for early wiz. I even use it still for the knock back.
20:55 <bouquet> sorry for all the hubbub. I just totally wasn't using my entire brain.
20:58 <K2> no worries
20:59 <K2> and yeah i got attack spell skill up to expert, doing some serious damage with force bolt
20:59 <K2> it's a viable spell now late game i think
21:00 <K2> as long as the target doesnt have an AC better than -30
21:00 <K2> or is it -30 or better
21:00 <K2> either way, viable now
21:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a knife entrusted to her by Set, on T:73195 (19:14:27)
21:11 <Umbire> K2, in vanilla monsters don't use their spells against other monsters unless they're under conflict, right?
21:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] krm26 (Bar Dra Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Set, on T:73515 (19:16:34)
21:11 <K2> i think so
21:11 <K2> brb
21:12 <Umbire> I know they don't in general but I'm trying to recall the conflict exception
21:12 <Umbire> might've come up during my ongoing SLASH'EM game but that was well before I thought to double-check the wiki article
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21:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1719 points, T:4013, withered away
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22:27 <Loggers_VIII> evilhack should steal the change that makes items of identical BUC to items you know the BUC of stack
22:27 <Loggers_VIII> (from 3.7)
22:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2925 points, T:3176, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze
22:35 <rld> <@fubaz> Thought a shiny shield was reflection instead of light
22:36 <Umbire> das a polished shield
22:36 <Umbire> the difference should become apparent on wear
22:45 <Loggers_VIII> forged up a mithril tsurugi to deal with the goblin king :)
22:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1983 (0:23:30)
22:50 <Loggers_VIII> heheh 2-shot
22:50 <Loggers_VIII> fucker didn't even get to hit me
22:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha), 4447 points, T:2608, killed by a saber-toothed tiger, while disrobing
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> hey I have a fun idea what if the stupid zootown map didn't exist
22:55 <K2> boo
22:56 <Loggers_VIII> even better idea - stay with me now - what if there wasn't a door in the cage
22:56 <K2> more boo
22:57 <Loggers_VIII> :(
22:57 <Loggers_VIII> it is lame and sad when there is really strong monsters in the cage and they get let out by the watch captain and you die with no chance for counterplay
22:58 <Loggers_VIII> I do think it's really funny that on the only map where the watch captain is bad there are two watch captains, though :P
22:59 <Loggers_VIII> and zootown bones are funny... so I guess the map gets a pass for the funny factor
23:01 <Loggers_VIII> actually, what am I talking about. fuck zootown. that map is an actively unfun experience 80% of the time
23:02 <K2> i like it
23:02 <Loggers_VIII> i would like it if you could control whether or not the animals got let out
23:03 <K2> that's no fun
23:03 <K2> very not nethack like
23:03 <K2> i have found 2 BoH this game, both are cursed
23:04 <Loggers_VIII> yeah but neither is dying to a saber toothed tiger because you had the audacity to go to one of the main early game goal destinations
23:04 <Loggers_VIII> heheh that is mean
23:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law), 860 points, T:1145, zombified by a gnome zombie
23:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Sorcerer (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:45676 (12:01:37)
23:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:817 (0:09:05)
23:09 <Loggers_VIII> I like that a lot of the less combat-oriented roles like tourist, infidel or healer actually have more potential to kill the goblin king quickly than strong unga bunga roles like valkyrie or barbarian
23:09 <K2> unga bunga
23:10 <Loggers_VIII> I guess caveman should fit in the unga bunga category as well, by default
23:11 <rld> <@fubaz> Sigh, what’s min safe pray turns?
23:11 <rld> <@fubaz> Assuming uncrowned
23:12 <K2> typically 300
23:13 <Umbire> from the start of the game it's 300, though I forget if it's possible to force a safe one sooner
23:13 <Umbire> After that it's randomized
23:14 <Loggers_VIII> you could force a safe one sooner if you sac'd but I don't know of any other method
23:15 <Umbire> I was thinking of like dropping HP intentionally or w/e
23:16 <Loggers_VIII> would that affect timeout though? I don't think gods allow any leniency with timeout no matter the trouble you're in
23:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible fubaz's ghost, the former Exhumer, on T:8379 (1:47:47)
23:17 <Umbire> They do, it v. much depends on the trouble and I think it's chance based?
23:17 <Loggers_VIII> no way
23:21 <Loggers_VIII> is that on the wiki anywhere
23:22 <Umbire> Try the prayer article
23:22 <Loggers_VIII> I did, on the section about timeout it says "Only when this counter reaches zero may the player pray safely again (exceptions exist, see below)" but I can't find the exceptions it mentions
23:23 <Loggers_VIII> maybe it's talking about negative exceptions, like when you pray on another god's altar. that's confusing if that's the case
23:23 <Umbire> (If you are currently suffering from a major problem, it is safe to pray with a timeout as high as 200; if a minor problem, it may be as high as 100.)
23:24 <Umbire> it's not the clearest but it is there lol
23:24 <Umbire> already have a pin for most of the old 343 articles
23:26 <Loggers_VIII> whoa crazy
23:27 <Loggers_VIII> I always wondered why I don't fail prayer more. I guess over time I felt out that leniency
23:31 <rld> <@fubaz> Which mobs infight? Just had a werrat kiilled not by me or shopkeep maybe by giant bat
23:31 <Loggers_VIII> zombies fight everything
23:31 <rld> <@fubaz> Other than confused/conflicted mobs and shopkeeps attacking zombies
23:32 <Loggers_VIII> I don't think wererats grudge anything besides Z
23:32 <rld> <@fubaz> Not other Z
23:32 <Loggers_VIII> true
23:33 <Loggers_VIII> zombies fight living creatures, I should say
23:33 <K2> zombie grudge all living things and vice versa
23:33 <K2> elves (all types) grudge orcs and vice versa
23:34 <rld> <@fubaz> I have a cross shaped shop, shopkeep knows when i’m digging in floor even when LoS isn’t present.  I assume they’d grab stuff if i fell through?
23:40 <Loggers_VIII> oh nice 3 mlamps in minetown
23:40 <Loggers_VIII> gotta live long enough to get em
23:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2159 (0:31:47)
23:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fubaz (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2683 (0:41:47)
23:49 <K2> @fubaz yes
23:50 <K2> gonna call it a night, edible is starting to kick in
23:50 <K2> :P
23:50 <Loggers_VIII> night k2 o/
23:50 <K2> o/
23:50 <Loggers_VIII> don't let the grid bugs bite
23:50 <Umbire> yz k2
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23:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Cen Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:3637 (0:44:39)