00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Arcusmagus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:9065 (1:14:45) 01:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:10 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:11 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:11 -!- FIQ has joined #evilhack 02:11 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack 02:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:20449 (13:46:42) 03:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1655 (0:22:29) 03:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Arcusmagus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 12497 points, T:14919, zombified by a diseased orc corpse 03:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Arcusmagus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1151 points, T:2486, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted pony 03:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Arcusmagus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 413 points, T:1030, killed by a giant bat 03:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a copper two-handed sword entrusted to her by Mog, on T:21646 (14:36:16) 03:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had an alchemy smock entrusted to her by Mog, on T:22187 (14:42:05) 04:02 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Arcusmagus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3042 (0:53:18) 04:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Arcusmagus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "X?", on T:3494 (1:02:46) 04:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Arcusmagus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2110 points, T:4461, killed by a mountain dwarf 04:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:22606 (14:47:33) 04:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a cloak of protection entrusted to her by Mog, on T:23444 (14:53:39) 05:19 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:33 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:18 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a knife entrusted to her by Mog, on T:25775 (15:21:41) 06:59 Mog really has a very refined sense of when I don't want a gift 07:27 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:35 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:40 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:51 "Cursed wands of invisibility will make its target visible if already invisible, and has a 50% chance of aggravating monsters on the current level if zapped at yourself while invisible." 07:52 somehow I though the aggravating monsters bit was hackem only... 07:52 * thought 07:53 -!- mobileuser93 has joined #evilhack 07:53 pfff flaky irc connection 07:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:02 -!- mobileuser93 is now known as mobileuser 08:07 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) became Mog's Envoy of Balance, on T:26702 (15:39:20) 08:16 yay! 08:30 \o/ 08:33 4d8 weapon sticky, 6d8 sting steal gold, 5d5 bite stun, 2d3 touch constitution poison, 4d7 bearhug physical, 4d7 butt stun 08:34 surprisingly consistent shambling horror 08:34 does everything to keep you in place to then stun and crush you 08:36 encyclopedia entry for shambling horror is pretty funny btw 08:38 yeah :P 08:39 'ah, they're probably harmless' or some such 08:43 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 09:00 "It is speculated by some that the shambling horror may occasionally possess abilities that are quite lethal, but if this is true, no one has yet observed them and survived to document it." :') 09:01 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:34 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:40 heh 09:40 that entry never gets old 09:41 ab 09:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 10:00 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 10:00 -!- stenno is now known as Guest8580 10:00 -!- Guest8580 has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 10:00 -!- chao is now known as stenno 10:05 ab 10:05 HI 10:05 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 10:06 what's up with you this morning 10:06 work 10:06 you? 10:07 about to be working 10:07 learning git, seeing what commits I can grab to establish ye old variant 10:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:19 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Master Assassin, on T:29612 (17:25:58) 10:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29613 (17:26:13) 10:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:30190 (17:40:30) 10:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:968 (1:05:05) 11:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1598 (1:08:14) 11:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6185 points, T:3982, killed by a lynx 11:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:31095 (18:10:11) 11:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:31521 (18:29:41) 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 691 points, T:1142, killed by the Goblin King 12:12 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1611 (0:15:46) 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 magical dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:1616 (0:16:10) 12:22 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 3812 points, T:2147, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 12:40 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:40 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:31688 (18:39:08) 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:50910 (1 day, 14:55:08) 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:50911 (1 day, 14:55:52) 14:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:31867 (19:04:10) 14:52 and they are snow boots too! 14:59 -!- lordDonut has joined #evilhack 15:00 Was going to ask about the behavior of something here but decided to check ttyrec first to make certain it was not user error. 15:00 There are none on the website? 15:01 Have they been removed or is there some sort of maintenance? 15:05 The ones I am referring to would only have been from a few days ago. Are they regularly purged now? 15:06 No? They should still be there 15:06 You might be looking in the wrong place 15:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:50912 (1 day, 14:56:32) 15:15 No. tty for Scringe are there. 15:15 My tty folder is empty. 15:15 So are a lot of others. 15:17 tty from playing last night with a different login are there. 15:18 Folder from a few days ago with login in question is empty. 15:21 Hmmm 15:21 K2, you happen to know anything about this? 15:21 What's your username, so I can take a peek for myself 15:22 Spear 15:22 Just Spear? 15:23 The one of primary concern. 15:23 Or spear 15:23 Capital. 15:23 Case sensitivity is a thing 15:23 Alright 15:23 I looked at several other and they are empty. 15:23 -!- lordDonut has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:23 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Spear/evilhack/ttyrec/ Yep, looks to be the case. 15:24 And you leave right as I confirm 15:24 Hopefully just a connection hiccup 15:24 -!- lordDonut has joined #evilhack 15:25 Heck, even mobileuser's is empty! :-D 15:25 Yeah, stuck w/ Verizon mobile internet. Sucks. 15:25 It's a high-octane hot rod that always stalls. 15:26 no it's another page 15:26 one moment 15:26 What server did you play on, for the record? 15:26 us or eu lordDonut? 15:27 It's probably just another page like I'm still mostly convinced, due to the whole "hardfought has a local tty player now" thing 15:27 for EU: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/evilhack-eu/ 15:27 Your eu is empty. 15:27 for US: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/evilhack-us/ 15:28 I am US. 15:28 then type your name 15:28 And I am going to US. 15:28 I see them 15:28 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/evilhack-us/ 15:28 and the type Spear in the search box 15:29 * then 15:29 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Spear/evilhack/ttyrec/ 15:29 I am using the website to navigate. 15:29 Comes up empty. 15:29 that's the one where brand new ones are temporarily stored 15:29 use MY link ;-) 15:29 I've always done it this and it has always worked. 15:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Scringe (Kni Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:39439 (9:21:20) 15:29 yeah it got changed 15:30 food time for me, bbl 15:30 So, userdata is temp and you have to go to ttyrec main page for archived ones. 15:31 Yes, because of the local ttyrec player that was recently made part of the website 15:31 Thanks, I see them now. 15:33 So cool you can play them in browser now. 15:33 Was using jettyplay. The least janky tty player I've found, but still a wee bit janky. 15:34 Mine does the job alright 15:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Ran Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1241 (0:07:35) 15:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:51685 (1 day, 15:42:22) 15:56 When it comes to raiding chests, all monsters have no interest in plain uncursed water, correct? 15:58 They'll usually take whatever they can 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Ran Dro Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Arcusmagus' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3025 (0:34:19) 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Arcusmagus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1542 (0:30:41) 16:06 Oh. Thought there was a hierarchy. Amulets, better armor, offensive wands, potions of gain level, healing potions, etc. 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Tal'Gath, on T:51918 (1 day, 15:56:45) 16:08 No, it's behavior determined per monster type 16:09 Though I imagine most monsters will also by default take interest in stuff they can use against you 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class e, on T:52021 (1 day, 16:01:17) 16:12 hopefully you all read this bit concerning ttyrecs: 16:12 The links below allow you to browse, playback and/or download all NetHack player archived ttyrec files across all servers. The ttyrec archive schedule runs once per day at 4am local server time (hdf-us), and once per hour on the hdf-eu and hdf-au servers. Archived ttyrecs are moved from each server to an AWS S3 bucket. Sorted by date from newest to oldest. 16:12 so when that runs, local files go to s3 bucket 16:13 always use the ttyrec link to look up yours or someone elses ttyrecs (https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/) 16:13 hiya lordDonut 16:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Ran Dro Mal Cha) had a steel dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:3944 (0:45:41) 16:14 now i'm hungry for krispy kreme 16:15 K2, have you ever considered giving the Cyclops boulders to chuck 16:15 Polyphemus style 16:15 hadnt thought of that, but sounds neat 16:15 I know he (probably?) gets one anyway per makemon but him having a few to throw around seems neat 16:16 i gave the abominable snowman a bunch to toss 16:16 I applied that in my little sandbox of a variant-to-be 16:16 yeah it's a great pick 16:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:19 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 16:20 -!- stenno has quit [Client Quit] 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Ran Dro Mal Cha), 9875 points, T:4907, killed by a fire ant 16:26 when is evilhack getting safe_wait? literally just died to that 16:30 like the thing in vanilla 3.7 where you have to prepend "m" when you're nurse dancing? I hope never! 16:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:783 (0:06:31) 16:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una), 182 points, T:787, killed by a Grey-elf, while sleeping 16:31 use numeric prefixes to wait 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:774 (0:04:38) 16:36 funny troll 16:37 also bug: infidel weldproof doesn't protect from loadstones 16:41 but you CAN but it in a sack and just drop the sack 16:42 put* 16:42 really? I seem to remember Infidel games where I could just drop the loadstone 16:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una), 2865 points, T:2422, killed by a cave lizard 16:49 yeah cant drop it 16:49 hmm 16:49 i wonder what happened 16:49 i'll have a look 16:53 -!- lordDonut has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:23 if a rogue turns lawful, do they then get an alignment penalty for thieving? 17:24 asking for a friend O:3 17:24 # what did you DO 17:25 nothing yet... 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:880 (0:06:07) 17:36 -!- lordDonut has joined #evilhack 17:40 People's thoughs on an illiterate caveman. Have Sunsword and Demonbane. Skill points are becoming limited. Continue to train up mace for Sceptre of Might, or train up hammer to basic for Hammer of the Gods? 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1752 (0:14:45) 17:42 What's your skill points looking like as is? 17:42 I tried a different illiterate caveman, before Hammer of the Gods was forgable, with the Sceptre and am had issues getting things to die. At +0 it really was kind of blah. 17:42 ...then enchant it! 17:42 Illiterate. 17:42 6_9 17:43 HotG is also a double-damage artifact---+0 won't be much better than a silver heavy mace 17:43 Apologies, I'm doing like, 10+ things at once at any given time 17:43 (of frost) 17:43 But like, uhhhhhhh 17:43 so i'd say stick with maces i guess 17:44 Hammer would be a Cool™ backup maybe 17:44 I think you could crown with your gift in inventory and desired weapon in hand and get it set to like, +1 17:44 I have spears to expert, raised mace one, shield raised, was going to raise riding for mammoth. 17:45 I knew that was a Slash'EM thing, did not know it was in Evil. 17:45 I'm pretty sure that's just vanilla? 17:45 forging a silver heavy mace of frost/shock would be solid---you can usually find +2/3/4 ammo somewhere in the dungeon so it could be decently enchanted 17:46 That's right.forgot forging carries over enchantment. 17:46 Would be hard to determine enchant with illiterate though, no? 17:46 Does ammo reveal itself like wielded weapons? 17:47 Nah, just keep hitting with it 17:47 Oh ammo no 17:47 Would have to survive long enough, 17:47 Unless it's like, something you'd reasonably use in melee anyway 17:47 you can price ID it 17:47 Like daggers et. al. 17:47 There's also that 17:47 In gehennom the Hammer would be better 17:47 The """junk""" gifts you can get from your god should also come with at least +3 enchantment 17:47 up to +5 17:48 Was just so surprised to see how bad the Sceptre was at +0. Really struggling with that character. 17:48 Most artifacts are gonna be 'bad' if they're unenchanted, to be fair 17:48 but being illit also does put you in a distinct bind 17:48 Welll, this game is quite the oddity. I have sacrified hundreds of corspes and have even received Kelowa (sp?) yet. 17:48 particularly in this variant's ecosystem 17:49 Maxed out luck numerous time with no gifts — at all. 17:49 have NOT received Kelowea. 17:51 I just like the idea of grunting, illiterate, caveman . . . but yeah, it is tough. Got well into Gehennom, but it is trying. 17:51 Cavemen should simply _be_ illiterate unless they find some way to become literate. 17:52 And there should be some more bonuses of some sort for being illiterate. 17:53 they do get the health boost 17:53 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 17:53 and free +1 arrows 17:53 Place your weapons on the altar. 17:53 Light a fire. 17:53 Pray. 17:53 "You pray to the beings in the sky. 17:53 You stacks of spears glow with intense heat and seem to absorb surrounding energy!" 17:53 Yeah, lashing. 17:54 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 17:54 ok weird, I thought Keolewa was always the first sac gift for caveman? 17:54 And the health bomus does not seem to be all that much. 17:54 true 17:54 Keolewa is supposed to be, yes. 17:54 I've just have not receied anything. 17:54 ah... 17:54 no gifts at all 17:57 Does "Sometimes their deity will not respond to prayer at all (10% chance)." extend to altar stuff as well? (from the wiki for illiterate Cavemen) 17:57 Free +1 arrows for illiterate cavemen? How does that work? 17:58 I don’t think so donut 17:58 'A'pply flint to arrows. 17:58 Oh right, that's a thing 17:58 When you did it will ask if you want to lash arrows. 17:58 ^did = do 17:58 Honestly I'm curious to see if spearhead crafting becomes a thing like in ndnh 17:59 (albeit probably to a much lesser extent) 17:59 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 6858 points, T:3471, killed by a giant leech 18:00 Think I might try Hammer of the Gods just for the fun (?) of it. First I'll train up mace a bit with Demonbane. 18:01 Another thing. 18:01 Looking to understand magic chests. They are great feature and I've figure them out without being spoiled too much. 18:01 I understand how chests work in Evil. You must lock them. A boulder does not make it safe, as there are giants. 18:01 Are there any weird properties about losing items from them? 18:01 Hammer of the gods is probably the best lategame option for cavemen- alternate between it and mjollnir and you’ll be ballin 18:02 if a monster has a magic key they can open your magic chest 18:02 and never forget to lock it 18:02 yeah watch out for monsters with keys in general 18:02 Mollnir is nuetral only? 18:02 yeah that won't work for you 18:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 18:03 Weird, for some reason I thought cavemen were always neutral 18:03 Lawful also 18:03 Dwarf cavemen are a thing in vanilla 18:03 I think the quest arti is lawful for other roles? 18:03 if you were neutral you could get hotg pretty easily with a helm of opposite alignment but getting neutral artifacts as lawful is kind of annoying 18:04 dwarf cavemen? should be called cavedwarfs! 18:04 In the case of Mjollnir you can spend an artiwish, that's about the only option though 18:04 Minus hopium random generation 18:04 you could permaconvert but that makes hotg more annoying so it’s not worth it 18:05 I know about keys. There is no chance any monsters have a magic key. I did leave it unlocked once, with a boulder on it. And it was never out of my sight. Right at the entrance of Sokoban with a boulder fort around. 18:05 the great thing with Mjollnir is that enchantment matters a lot less 18:05 There were never any giant monsters. 18:05 not getting anything from s altar sac, you see it in vanilla nethack as well. sometimes the rng likes you, sometimes it doesnt 18:05 lordDonut, the magic chest appears on multiple levels 18:05 Hammer of the Gods is forgable only. 18:06 Oh, I know. And should be locked elsewhere. I wondered if, even though you are not on that level, does leaving one unlocked, make it so things can disappear, even though you are not on the level? 18:06 if you leave the magic chest unlocked, it will be unlocked on another level too 18:07 eg in Ludios 18:07 I've made that mistake myself 18:07 So, even though I am not on Minetown, it makes it so it can "quasi" accessed. 18:07 Not sure why a monster would take a stack of plain water. 18:07 only if you enter another level with a magic chest 18:07 thirsty? 18:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] hackemslashem (Wiz Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3389 (0:29:17) 18:08 yeah the magic chest cant be accessed by other monsters unless you're there on the same level as it 18:08 just as with anything else 18:09 K2 yeah, its been numerous, numerous sacs with nothing. I know it can happen. I've had lucked maxed many times and some BIG sacs where I was like "THIS will get me something!" Nope. 18:09 So, that is odd. 18:09 max luck doesnt have any bearing on sac chances. just that your luck cant be negative 18:09 funnily enough, the value of the sac matters nothing for gifts 18:09 I have bunch of gain ability and water potions missing. 18:10 Point being that I've sacrified _that much_, not-so much chances. I know. 18:10 it happens :/ 18:10 I sometimes get sac gift with one or two sacs. 18:10 last november I had a tnnt game (vanilla 3.6.7 with some slight changes) where I sacrificed prob 100+ corpses before I got a gift 18:10 My recent wiz getting Magicbane on sac number 3 on level one the other day was sweeet. 18:11 and then other games you get 2-3 objects rapid fire 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:26533 (9:11:39) 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26535 (9:11:46) 18:11 lordDonut how are you enjoying evilhack so far? 18:11 mobileuser Oh, though it did. I know there are times I sac a gecko and get a great gift. 18:12 FIQ, does fiqhack take corpse quality into consideration for gift chances? 18:12 in vanilla and most variants, corpse quality only comes into play for mollifying your deity if you've made them angry 18:13 'hangry' 18:13 betty white needs a snickers bar 18:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:26642 (9:14:27) 18:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] hackemslashem (Wiz Trt Mal Neu), 3744 points, T:3566, killed by a hill orc, while retreating into his shell 18:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 18:14 Quality? 18:14 ab Loggers_VIII 18:15 abab 18:15 !role 18:15 Loggers_VIII: evilhack rogue 18:15 yes 18:15 don't wanna rogue :p 18:15 quality meaning their level 18:15 There are things I do not like. But EvilHack has made NetHack enjoyable again. I hope a lot of things in 3.7.x are not in Evil. 18:16 hm. maybe I will infidel 18:16 do eet 18:16 I mean a lot of those things are already in Evil 18:16 and vice versa 18:16 lmao 18:16 Umbire - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sacrifice#Ordinary_sacrifice 18:16 There are only a few things that, I think if are tweaked, would make it darn near perfect. 18:16 Ah you mean the value 18:16 I gotta check the wiki page for their gimmicks again :P 18:16 I'm working on the article right now as it happens 18:17 lordDonut feel free to share your ideas 18:17 As far as the article indicates, I don't think it does 18:17 No, no, no, playing the 3.7.x build there is a LOT that is different, 18:17 lorddonut: what do you think should be tweaked? I'm curious 18:17 yeah 3.7 is very different from evil. I like them both, though 18:17 They're obviously still different beasts end of the day, but 3.7 and Evil share a lot in common that one either got directly from the other or just arrived to independently 18:17 e.g. sphere explosions 18:18 kinda wanna play illithid but I don't know if I can deal with that carrycap 18:18 someday evilhack will be rebased onto 3.7. having said that, there are some things in 3.7 i dont care for that wont be in evilhack when that day comes 18:18 drow it is! 18:18 drow is fun 18:18 I also like centaur and giant Infidel 18:18 drow is really nice 18:18 Purple worms not eating wraiths is, well, . 18:18 I've never played much giant. I feel like I should, sort of like alternate tortle 18:19 So much wasted time training them up to only find that out. 18:19 heh you dont need to censor yourself :) 18:19 ugh yeah I don't wraiths being un swallowable :( 18:19 I can see the reasoning but it's so much more fun the other way round 18:19 wait... when did 3.7 make it some purple worms dont eat wraiths? 18:19 *so 18:19 what sorcery is this? 18:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:14946 (3:42:56) 18:20 I think it's that wraiths can't be engulfed or something 18:20 The whole vampires changing to all the various shapes and then losing ALL of the levels they've gained. 18:20 not played much giant? you're missing out Loggers_VIII 18:20 The mindflayer re-work sucks. 18:20 Makes em wee lil babies. 18:20 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 18:20 yeah 18:20 heh I hate amnesia enough that I don't mind the flayer rework 18:20 Hate the whole safe movement thing. 18:20 you can disable that 18:20 but I think they should be more dangerous in some other way 18:21 OPTIONS=!safe_wait I think 18:21 I think the amnesia thing is what makes them TERRIFYING, though. 18:21 :) 18:21 K2: Purple worm bites go through wraiths 18:21 like if they had more powerful psychic attacks that could mess with you 18:21 Not bites, engulfs 18:21 Umbire nooooooo 18:21 I think they made unsolid stuff un-engulfable, that's been the case for ages 18:21 amnesia is different in 3.7 so I think flayers could have it and that would be fine 18:21 I say ages but probably a few months? 18:21 at least? 18:21 wraiths arent incorporeal 18:21 I like that Loggers_VIII More psionics. 18:22 they have the psychic wave but it doesn't really do anything than message spam you 18:22 anything other than message spam you, I mean 18:23 I mean it also does d15 iirc? 18:23 enough to chip out a non-zero amount of people 18:23 unless you get a minesflayer that kind of damage does't matter when you're seeing flayers 18:24 it can be shitty in low HP situations though 18:24 I love giants. Hobbits are fun, but too damned hungry. Illithids are hella fun. Centaurs are interesting. As are Drow. 18:24 Want to play as a VAMPIRE in Evil! 18:24 also I consider the 'loss' of instaleveling a fair trade off for something that can gain intrinsics by engulfing 18:24 you can poly into one if you want 18:24 So *I* can be truly EVIL. 18:24 but i'm not adding a vampire race 18:24 vampire race has soooo many issues in other variants 18:25 Mindflayers should do all sorts of things to the mind. 18:25 plus i didnt want to be another variant with vampire race 18:26 I'm also not sure vampires would be difficult in exactly the way K2 generally wants for the variant 18:26 lordDonut that's an interesting idea 18:26 Not aware of any major issues of Vampires in Slash'EM? 18:26 slash'em implementation is probably the worst 18:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Inf Gia Fem Una), 879 points, T:1155, killed by a boiling potion, while frozen by a potion 18:26 hack'em probably has the least buggy version 18:26 Not strictly functionality issues 18:27 Though, also that 18:27 what variants have vamp? dnh, slam, them, hackem, un? 18:27 going back to what lordDonut said - maybe do a thing, so when a flayer sucks your brain, one of x number of random things happen 18:27 btw my giant has 11 strength that seems kind of bs 18:28 amnesia, or hallucination, or you lose esp intrinsic, etc 18:28 Those're the ones I think, including stuff derived from them 18:28 Hmm. Not aware of issues. I've always loved them. Did not like how Hack'Em did vampire. Unless its been revised? 18:28 i dunno 18:28 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28