00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4760 (0:49:37) 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a steel dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:1495 (0:49:48) 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 4631 points, T:1646, killed by a chameleon imitating a displacer beast 00:18 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 57 points, T:116, killed by a jackal 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:282 (0:01:57) 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 904 points, T:292, killed by an electric chair 00:28 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:927 (0:07:54) 00:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:6242 (1:09:21) 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 7 points, T:181, killed by a jackal 00:39 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2185 (0:19:15) 00:40 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 3 points, T:126, killed by a poisonous corpse 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1625 (0:20:29) 01:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 14968 points, T:8312, killed by a black pudding 01:25 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1461 points, T:3053, killed by a flint stone 01:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1198 (0:08:10) 01:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1019 points, T:1786, killed by a gnome lord 01:52 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:53 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 01:59 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #evilhack 02:07 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:55 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 02:58 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:02 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:41 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:42 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:16 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 04:17 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:26 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(Stinc) 07:20 the "somewhat" qualifier is because it has a precedent but would be very unlikely to come up 07:20 it was in a chest in the Gollum cave 07:20 huh, so the elven stuff in that chest is set as artifactible eh? 07:21 it would appear so 07:21 the precedent is every beholder in d&d thinks they're the most beholder of beholders to have ever beholdered 07:21 the second level of the vecna branch has 2 beholders 07:21 oooooh, fight fight fight fight fight fight! 07:22 oh the boss beholder branch has multiple of course 07:22 doh 07:22 wuh oh 07:22 would be funny 07:22 yeah haha 07:35 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 07:41 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:44 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:58 hmm quaff-tested an uncursed potion, discovery of gain ability was added, but I didn't get any message 07:59 not wearing sustain ability 08:28 heh 08:29 MSGSTOP hiding the output? 08:29 ab K2 08:29 aaaaaaaaaaaaaab 08:30 see above re: beholders 08:30 also have some more stuff to add to their article 08:31 (they have an article now btw) 08:31 cool 08:41 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Val Gia Fem Law), 176 points, T:636, killed by an ancient pseudodragon 09:00 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:26 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Beholder_(EvilHack) 09:26 nice and up to date 09:29 \o/ 09:30 nitpick: "can turn you to stone instantly", thankfully it's not instant 09:30 Umbire, beholder gaze attack is slow stoning, not instant 09:30 lol 09:30 heh 09:30 only medusa's gaze is instant stoning 09:30 missed that while ironing out the other info 09:31 took some notes from what I typed up for grunt 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 8684 points, T:2867, killed by a tiger 09:36 even with slow stoning it's still extremely dangerous when they also slow you and/or cancel your BoH 09:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 09:36 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:41 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 10:13 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 10:41 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 10:44 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 10:52 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 11:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:17 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:22 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:24 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 200 points, T:1097, killed by a steel crossbow bolt 11:32 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:41 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 11:46 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:36 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 9249 points, T:5847, killed by an elven watchman 12:43 i was making a shortcut hole in the wall and i didn't see the two guards lol 12:44 damn this isn't a bad start. TWO spellbooks and a wAND of POLYMORPH on DL 1 :) 12:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had a steel dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:463 (0:04:58) 12:54 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:55 damn that's a really nice sac gift that early 12:56 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:10 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3038 (0:36:27) 13:25 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 296 points, T:1105, killed by a vrock 13:50 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5486 points, T:4166, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while helpless 13:58 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 14:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:3010 (0:25:01) 14:09 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3042 (0:25:48) 14:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6260 (1:40:20) 14:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:6385 (1:42:52) 14:41 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7071 (1:07:14) 14:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had an axe entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7015 (2:03:48) 15:04 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 15:11 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 15:13 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(www.adiirc.com)] 15:55 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 15:56 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Inf Elf Fem Una) made her first wish - "blessed figurine of Archon", on T:4945 (1:01:13) 15:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 126 points, T:304, killed by a jackal 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Inf Elf Fem Una), 777 points, T:4947, killed by an Archon 15:59 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a falling rock 16:04 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:06 black dragon in the mines, no doubt from a polytrap. route to luckstone cut off... 16:09 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1817 (0:17:48) 16:19 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:21 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:10283 (1:59:15) 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1087 points, T:3563, withered away, while praying 16:53 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:54 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:650 (0:04:10) 16:55 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 16:58 Ha, just looking back at the chat log and spotted this funny but tragic story, as told in two acts by Hecubus: 16:58  PaciFIST (Inf Elf Fem Una) made her first wish - "blessed figurine of Archon", on T:4945 16:58 PaciFIST (Inf Elf Fem Una), 777 points, T:4947, killed by an Archon 17:00 hah 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:11708 (2:18:54) 17:01 that wish indicates they really want the pacifist conduct 17:01 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had Dirge gifted to him by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:1621 (0:11:45) 17:03 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) destroyed mitsilvan's ghost, the former Brute, on T:1644 (0:13:32) 17:19 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:2975 (0:30:03) 17:22 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:3178 (0:32:12) 17:23 unfortunately, it seems the archon did not share similar pacifist feelings 17:25 :-) 17:31 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 17:53 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:53 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:08 -!- PaciFIST has joined #evilhack 18:08 -!- PaciFIST has quit [Client Quit] 18:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Neu), 3318 points, T:2129, quit 19:12 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:28 I wonder how doable paci is on evil 19:29 some variants makes it much harder to attain (cough dnethack) 19:29 some makes it arguably easier such as nh4, gnollhack or fiqhack 19:31 I have a few paci wins, but only in vanilla and nh4. I have a paci astral splat in 4k 19:34 I don’t think pacifist in evil is much harder than vanilla, relatively speaking 19:35 lot of things that just insta-lmao early pets, still 19:35 you can give an archon ashmar and the sword of annihilation and maybe even gauntlets of purity and it will be able to solo most uniques 19:35 get some dragons to mop up the fodder and I can see it happening 19:35 getting to the archon itself is trickier but yeah 19:36 does evil still have lv3 charm monster 19:36 99.9% sure its level 5 19:36 charm monster shenanigans is likely optimal for paci but I always preferred using pets over just charming everything 😛 19:37 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:38 good to have some heavy hitters to fall back on even if you’re charming everything :) 19:39 halfdragons are way better than regular starting pets but still only maxes out at lv9 ordinarily but I think wiz might still be the better starting option because of goblin town 19:39 (compared to healer or others) 19:40 does evilhack have attack_mode:pacifist or anything similar? 19:40 movecommand is the nh3 equivalent 19:40 you need a pet that is capable of killing lucifer, since you have to kill lucifer to ascend 19:40 but idk if evilhack incorporates it 19:41 iirc it originated in xnh 19:41 there is no mention of "movecommand" in xnh (but there is in nh4) 19:42 for lucifer can't you just use a conflicted purple worm? 19:42 oh maybe I have the names confused 19:42 one of them is nh3, one is nh4 19:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:30552 (17:30:10) 19:43 attack_mode is dnh 19:44 I don't think it originated in dnh but yeah that is the one then 19:45 evilhack does the combined spells thing of grunt, right? 19:45 so spellcasting pets can deal with petrification 19:47 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:48 Lucifer cannot be engulfed because he is huge 19:49 Noisytoot: I think an archon with the mentioned equipment could do it. Failing that, a black dragon’s breath (tame or conflicted) would probably be the best option 19:50 conflicted black dragons use their breath? 19:50 I thought only pet dragons had such an ai path 19:50 for mvm breath 19:51 you might still be thinking of older nethack 19:52 I don’t know if that’s the case since I don’t use conflict ever :P 19:52 if it’s true then a hostile black dragon would be fine too 19:53 showered and relaxed, time to get to work 20:07 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 20:09 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 20:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 2773 points, T:6069, killed by a dwarf lord 21:45 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 21:46 question: does dragonbane protect against dragons engulfing you? You would think they wouldn't like the taste of, or be capable of eat/digesting something that is their bane. 21:48 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 21:49 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 21:50 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:7055 (1:20:36) 21:57 dingotron not a bad idea 21:58 @fredriq no evilhack doesnt have monster/player spell symmetry 21:59 not fully 21:59 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59 fiqhack has the coolest thing ever though in that regard (monster spellcaster can read a player spellbook and learn/cast it) 21:59 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 22:00 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a silver helmet entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:8039 (1:30:44) 22:00 K2: I thought it was like grunt, I know it's not perfectly symmetrical 22:01 but I thought there was combined casting like in grunt 22:01 I guess not then 22:01 i cherry picked a couple things over, like monsters spellcasters using protection/reflection/stone to flesh 22:01 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:8109 (1:31:56) 22:01 ah, but not all of it? got it 22:01 but yeah, evilhack doesnt have the 1:1 mon/player spellcasting stuff 22:08 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 40476 points, T:9151, killed by a bolt of fire 22:17 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 22:17 K2 YANI! dragons shouldn't want to eat dragonbane 22:21 heh 22:26 there aren't a lot of sources of cancelation resistance are there? just gray/chromatic scales? magicbane or staff of archmagi(??) 22:27 I like using other dragon scales, but find getting cancelled a lot in the late game is troublesome 22:29 magicbane/SofA provide curse resistance, not cancellation res 22:29 I find that trying to get cancelation resistance constrains build variety. 22:30 only if you think so 22:31 you can ascend without protecting yourself from cancellation - most evilhack asc didnt even have the option 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1137 (0:04:59) 22:31 like I want to not use dragonbane (because playing with tame dragons is fun, and the lightsource etc. of GoP is great), but then I need acid resist. and so I could just go yellow scales, but then I feel like gray scales is just the way to have to go. 22:31 MR can weaken cancellation effects, as can half spell damage 22:32 but it doesnt stop it 22:32 also alchemy smocks are a thing 22:32 Umbire that is good to know 22:36 it's also an interesting dilemma  right now, playing neutral priest, to spend the one guaranteed artifact wish on the blessed EoA, or on sunsword to make the hammer, or on grayswandir to make guantlets of purity. Totally fair that one can't have everything. But interesting that half spell damage mitigates cancelation somewhat. 22:36 True on smocks. It's good those exist 22:37 It mitigates specifically the spell sources 22:37 I like Evil because you have to actually consider all your options 22:39 yep, I like Evil for that too. I also like how evil (and Vanilla more so over time) is enabling more diversity of viable builds through each phase of the game. 22:41 between dragon-scaled armor, forges/forged artifacts, and object properties, i think evilhack provides the most options for asc kit builds out of everything else 22:43 It does 22:43 forge and dragon scaling are great additions. 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3680 points, T:3880, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted chameleon imitating a vampire bat 22:52 Only aspect I don't love is the altar camping. 22:54 then dont do it :) 23:00 its entirely possible to win without altar camping 23:12 I think there could be a better mechanic than testing player boredom to control specific artifact availability :) 23:12 Like if Altar camping was more hard limited, but then more varied and flexible artifact recipes were available. The idea being that there's a lot of interesting/powerful forged artifacts possible, but you have to work more with what artifacts you find naturally in the dungeon, and every run works out that you need to think through different 23:12 creative but viable final ascension kits. I dunno, maybe need to scatter a few more artifacts around to compensate for hard capping altar drops. 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:14714 (3:09:44) 23:21 why limit something that isn't exactly hard required to begin with 23:22 besides hack'em tried that and it went over like the fuckin' Hindenburg 23:28 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:28 pretty sure I've used alchemy smocks in grunthack 23:28 specifically for the otherwise hard to gain acid res 23:29 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 23:30 fiqhack made them MC3 to not make people avoid it for MC reasons (never really liked how people had a habit of dismissing items out of heart for lack of their MC) 23:30 there also isn't really the same sense of "have to" in terms of the evil forge artifacts, so much as it is that like 23:30 most folks genuinely think they're That Cool 23:32 I do think evilhack has some of the most diverse and interesting gameplay so far. Why I keep coming back to it. And all the little QoL features that keep getting better too. 23:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) stole 90 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Manlobbi's general store, on T:15422 (3:34:44) 23:45 [hdf-us] [evil] PaciFIST (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 110 points, T:1264, killed by a bear trap 23:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Monk (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 584 points, T:1751, killed by the Goblin King