00:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 7315 points, T:7446, killed by a drow cleric
00:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1361 (0:26:03)
00:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:6037 (1:19:08)
00:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a pair of platinum gauntlets of power entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:6559 (1:23:34)
00:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2839 points, T:3153, suffocated by the water elemental of Odin
01:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:3338 (0:37:20)
01:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2209 points, T:4654, quit
01:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:16885 (4:50:43)
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02:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3584 (1:34:47)
02:47 <Umbire> ab
02:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 84159 points, T:22133, drowned in a pool of water, while moving through the air
02:55 <Umbire> !lastgame dbanethacker
02:55 <Hecubus> Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1709580881.evil.html
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03:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2277 (0:20:01)
03:20 <mobileuser> ab
03:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2888 (0:26:06)
03:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4652 points, T:3825, killed by a rock gnome
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04:17 <mobileuser> funny, twice in a row now (in different games), a monster activating a figurine resulted in a pet for me
04:18 <Umbire> lmao nice
04:18 <Umbire> better luck than Scringe getting death wanded two games in a row without bones being involved
04:18 <mobileuser> oh wow
04:19 <Umbire> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Scringe/evilhack/dumplog/1709432295.evil.html
04:19 <Umbire> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Scringe/evilhack/dumplog/1709435685.evil.html
04:20 <mobileuser> oh, one is the classic "nymph kills you with the wand she stole"
04:22 <Umbire> yahuh
04:22 <Umbire> second is just the game taking a dump on them
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04:45 <mobileuser> can a giant bat pick up more weight than a bat
04:45 <mobileuser> (pet just grew up)
04:45 <Umbire> uhhhh
04:45 <Umbire> maybe a little?
04:46 <mobileuser> the bat was useless in shops!
04:46 <mobileuser> "slightly stronger"
04:47 <mobileuser> oh that's just its attack
04:49 <Umbire> yeah unless I plug [[strong]] in there I just mean more biggerer
04:49 <Umbire> which is probably confusing lol
04:50 <mobileuser> heh normally that is exactly how I read it
04:51 <mobileuser> I'll just have to try what it can pick up now
04:52 <mobileuser> "The giant bat picks up a wand of magic missile" good sign, means I can go back to that little wand shop now
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05:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7033 (3:21:54)
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09:28 <K2> weeee
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11:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 102 points, T:207, killed by a boiling potion
12:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Gia Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:8461 (0:33:30)
12:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Gia Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:10494 (0:48:00)
12:34 <K2> nice, early artifact
12:34 <K2> that can make or break early/mid game success
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12:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Gia Fem Law), 5713 points, T:12082, poisoned by an orcish arrow
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13:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2180 points, T:2975, killed by a sea tortle
13:25 <rld> <Shrigis [@shrigis]> yeah having a guranteed first artifact gift is a substantial buff in evil
13:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:18546 (9:01:31)
13:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1296 points, T:2496, killed by a mountain dwarf
14:00 <Noisytoot> what do you mean?
14:00 <Noisytoot> Mjollnir is the guaranteed Valkyrie first gift in vanilla too
14:04 <K2> i said 'nice, early artifact'
14:04 <K2> had nothing to do with what kind or if its guaranteed, etc
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14:12 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> why did I start with a pseudodragon
14:12 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> am I playing the wrong variant
14:12 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> no it's evilhack all right
14:12 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> cool, new pet type
14:14 <K2> :)
14:14 <K2> @fredriq how long has it been since you played evilhack? do you remember?
14:15 <K2> pseudodragon as wizard pet has been a thing for a long time now :P
14:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4727 (0:37:37)
14:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Rog Elf Mal Cha), 549 points, T:1034, killed by a piranha
14:19 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I honestly have no idea
14:19 <rld> FIQ said:
14:19 <rld> !lastgame evil
14:19 <Hecubus> rld: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/f/fsbt490/evilhack/dumplog/1709665955.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/parasite/evilhack/dumplog/1709656874.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/l/leafG/evilhack/dumplog/1709419086.evil.html
14:20 <rld> FIQ said:
14:20 <rld> !lastgame FIQ evil
14:20 <Hecubus> rld: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/evilhack/dumplog/1653124980.evil.html
14:20 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> 2 years apparently
14:20 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I played 3 games in 2022
14:20 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> before then, I played in 2019
14:21 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> apparently there is a goblin war party somewhere
14:21 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> whatever that means lol
14:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2430 points, T:4883, zombified by a diseased orc corpse, while praying
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14:22 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> "As you start to unlock the door, your credit card breaks!" rip
14:23 <K2> cursed card
14:23 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I wonder if  this can happen to PYEC
14:23 <K2> no
14:23 <K2> artifact unlocking tools are safe
14:24 <K2> goblin war party - means the portal to goblin town is on that level
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14:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 192 points, T:1071, killed by a giant rat
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14:24 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> oh didn't know cursed cards broke
14:24 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> interesting
14:27 <K2> cursed locking tools have a small chance of breaking upon use
14:27 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> forge
14:27 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> cool idea
14:28 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> that sounds sensible
14:28 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> might borrow that
14:28 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I like having more BUC effects in general
14:28 <K2> if you want to be spoiled - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Forge_(dungeon_feature)
14:28 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I might also make blessed locking tools take "0" turns (same as stethoscopes)
14:29 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> yeah I am reading the evilhack article on it
14:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:37256 (9:30:21)
14:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> >Due to its lack of cancellation magic, it does not cause bags of holding to explode when placed inside.
14:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> that's a nasty gotcha, good to know
14:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> (wrt Magicbane)
14:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Rog Elf Mal Cha), 821 points, T:1032, killed by the Goblin King
14:33 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> forges are really really good
14:33 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> make whatever your heart desires!
14:33 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> though they’re a bit less important for wizards
14:34 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> especially because there’s no quarterstaff recipe (unplayable)
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14:35 <K2> doh
14:35 <K2> there isnt?
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14:36 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> nah
14:36 <K2> oversight on my part
14:36 <K2> quarterstaves can spawn made of various metals
14:36 <K2> this is club all over again
14:36 <K2> lol
14:37 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> heh
14:37 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> club+club probably works as a recipe :p
14:37 <K2> hahah
14:38 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> apparently I can unrestrict sword by making a glamdring
14:39 <K2> as a wizard, yes
14:39 <K2> channel your inner gandalf
14:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> well I am playing wizard 😛
14:39 <K2> \o/
14:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I almost always do lol
14:39 <K2> i love me some wizard
14:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> does evilhack have "nice" artiwishing?
14:40 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> or does making artis make it unfeasible
14:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 526 points, T:399, killed by a gnome lady, while sleeping
14:40 <K2> making a forged artifact doesnt affect chance for an artiwish
14:40 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> it would be neat if you could make the magic school staves somehow but I think they have fixed materials and most of them are non metallic so idk how it’d work
14:40 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> but Sting and Orcrist might
14:40 <K2> in other words, the existience of artifacts doesnt drop the wish chances
14:40 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> evilhack has pretty nice artiwishing. generated artis don’t count toward your wish chances
14:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> what about named ones
14:41 <K2> wishing for them does instead
14:41 <K2> only wishing
14:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> (Sting and Orcrist)
14:41 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> naming doesn’t affect it that’d be silly
14:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ooh so it has nice artiwishing
14:41 <K2> yes
14:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> like dnh and fh
14:41 <Noisytoot> it's weird that only positively enchanted magicbane explodes bags when the magic effects work the other way (cancellation is eliminated at +6)
14:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> very good, then there is no reason not to make glamdring
14:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> and use it earlygame when my to-hit is still garbage
14:41 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> glamdring is kind of funny early
14:42 <K2> mithril elven long sword is no joke for damage output, even at basic skill
14:42 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> if nothing else it’s an elven longsword with a TH bonus and shock res
14:42 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> yeah that’s pretty great for wizard
14:42 <K2> its a decent early game sword
14:42 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> And if you run into orcs it’s extra nice
14:42 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> yeah if I survive long enough to find the stuff needed to make sting and orcrist (which shouldn't be that hard iirc), I'll make it asap
14:43 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ah, elven broadsword might be a bit tricky to get hold of
14:43 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> sometimes if you name either one of sting/orcrist some elves come in and try to beat you up and there’s a chance they have the other weapon you need
14:43 <rld> <hackemslashem [@hackemslashem]> mithril is like +2 extra damage right?
14:43 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> elven dagger should be trivial though
14:43 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> yeah hackemslashem
14:43 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> @Loggers_VIII ah, convenient
14:43 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> then I'll do that asap
14:44 <rld> <hackemslashem [@hackemslashem]> Much better than a standard elven broadsword, and MC1 to boot!
14:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 295 points, T:640, killed by a gnomish wizard, while being terrified of a ghost
14:44 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> inb4 after all this talk I just walk into a pit and die
14:44 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> would be typical 😛
14:44 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> but still good to know for future early forges
14:44 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> lol
14:44 <K2> this is the way
14:45 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> this level had a fountain, a sink and a forge
14:45 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> very {-y
14:45 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> you could forge an elven broadsword in theory but it’s uncommon to get metallic elven weapons
14:45 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> why would I need a metallic elven weapon?
14:45 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> wouldn't any metallic weapon do
14:46 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> oh I know what will inevitably happen
14:46 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> as I dip sting and orcrist, a lava demon will show up and beat me up
14:46 <K2> no that wont happen
14:46 <K2> you dont dip
14:46 <K2> use #forge
14:46 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> oh right, #forge
14:47 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> you need at least one elven weapon to make an elven broadsword, whether it’s arrows dagger or short sword
14:47 <K2> this is loggers when he uses forges ine vilhack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klIy3yYJtbQ
14:47 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ok
14:47 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> hahaha k2
14:48 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> forging is greaaat
14:48 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> huh 1/240 for a lava demon
14:48 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> that's incredibly rare
14:48 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> I’ve never made the armor of retribution before. I should do that sometime
14:48 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> way more rare than water demons
14:48 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> it’s cause I always play tortles
14:48 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> which is 1/31 iirc
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14:49 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> ja lava demons are kind of a non issue
14:53 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> a forge to create the more annoying to get weapon types is a far more elegant than having to resort to polypiling/wishing if you want to do stuff like use shurikens
14:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:38640 (9:53:44)
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14:57 <K2> if playing as a monk, if you've kept weaponless conduct intact, you can sometimes be gifted a bunch of shuriken as a sac gift
14:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 751 points, T:2576, killed by a mountain dwarf
14:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 138 points, T:185, killed by a gnome lady
14:59 <K2> back in a bit
15:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:668 (0:05:57)
15:05 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> btw why lava demon?
15:05 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> is there really no demon in nethack already attuned to fire
15:07 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> btw K2, apparently there is a guranteed forge in goblin town?
15:07 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> why not makes the goblins there have "unusual" (forgeable) weapons
15:08 <Noisytoot> Aren't lava demons from the convict patch?
15:08 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> the flavour being that they have made use of said forge
15:08 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> stuff like orcish long sword for example
15:13 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> is it because I'm a wiz that I got a starting pseudodragon?
15:13 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> comparing their stats to regular domestic animals, they seem to be just straight-up better than regular starting pets
15:13 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> for s ome reason
15:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:9137 (1:29:04)
15:17 <rebatela> man, i'm having the slowest start...
15:17 <rebatela> almost at 40k turns and haven't done quest or castle and medusa still running around somewhere 
15:18 <rebatela> and now i just got crowned so gonna take a zillion turns to get dragonbane from an altar 
15:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Sam Gia Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:3088 (0:21:49)
15:21 <Noisytoot> wizards get pseudodragons, yes
15:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 25169 points, T:9590, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster
15:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 97 points, T:977, killed by the Goblin King
15:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] fsbt490 (Sam Gia Mal Law), 6727 points, T:4266, killed by a plains centaur
15:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> TIL that the forge's cookbook gives exp
15:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:989 (0:12:57)
15:36 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> apparently phasing is blocked on goblin town level 2
15:36 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> it affects like 3 tiles on the entire map lol
15:46 <rebatela> god i hate shocking spheres. I wanted to geno but my 2 scrolls were blessed and no holy water yet
15:46 <rebatela> so of course the fucker destroyed my poly wand :( 
15:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1359 (0:25:51)
15:50 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I give this throne a 10/10
15:50 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> first it set my charisma to 5
15:50 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> then my strength to 5
15:50 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> and then it put me at 4hp due to shock damage
15:50 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> before finally disappearing
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15:52 <dbanethacker> Hi all - it's not connecting to nethack@hardfought.org.  Is something going on at the site?
15:54 <dbanethacker> Looks like I can't get to hardfought.org either.
15:55 <bhaak> both work for me
15:56 <dbanethacker> Are you connecting to the Americas site?  I presume that since I'm in the USA that I'm being pointed there.
15:57 <dbanethacker> https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/evilhack/wishtracker isn't working, for example.
15:58 <Noisytoot> works for me
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16:03 <rld> <hackemslashem [@hackemslashem]> oww, strength 5 is no fun
16:05 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> did monsters just spawn in my LOS lol
16:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a staff of war entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:40945 (10:23:47)
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16:07 <dbanethacker> I can get to any website except for hardfought.org - any idea how to fix that?
16:08 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> when you forge artifacts, does it inherit anything from base items?
16:08 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> BUC, enchantment or whatever
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16:10 <dbanethacker68> I noticed that the second object you forge takes priority.  So if you have a silver spear and a blessed mithril +3 arrow then you'll end up with a blessed +3 mithril dwarvish spear
16:11 <dbanethacker68> er, dagger, not arrow, that is.
16:11 <dbanethacker68> or whatever the formula is.
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16:12 <dbanethacker30> I can get in to hardfought.org now.  Thanks, in case someone fixed something.
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16:16 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> but does that hold for artis?
16:16 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I know arti lose inherited material, since it's replaced by something else depending on arti
16:16 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> but what about BUC/enchantment
16:17 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I wonder if amulets of different material can confer AC
16:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 653 points, T:3101, killed by a large spider, while praying
16:20 <terrapin> materials only affect AC when they're armor
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16:21 <terrapin> forged artifacts respect normal BUC/enchantment rules (higher of the enchantments of the ingredients, not including ingredients of other object classes, BUC of the second ingredient)
16:26 <mobileuser> rebatela getting crowned doesn't make it harder to sac for dragonbane
16:26 <mobileuser> prayer timeout increases, but not "sac gift timeout" or whatever that should be called
16:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1435 points, T:1833, killed by a mountain dwarf
16:29 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> "not including ingredients of other object classes"?
16:29 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> what do you mean
16:30 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> oh when you make armor from a weapon, the weapon is ignored enchantment-wise?
16:30 <terrapin> bingo
16:30 <terrapin> leads to a lot of -1 ashmars
16:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> because there is no source armor so it rolls a default random enchantment?
16:31 <terrapin> yeah
16:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ah
16:34 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I... have no idea how I managed to exercise strength
16:34 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> when I have yet to hit a single enemy
16:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> hmm there is a non-magical potion with a really high price for some reason
16:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:43077 (10:42:56)
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16:47 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> lol this shop generated 2 doors
16:47 <rebatela> "a servant of chaos appears' WTF? 
16:48 <Noisytoot> summon minion clerical monster spell
16:48 <rebatela> did the npc summon this hezro of huan ti or do they just show up on their own?
16:49 <rebatela> ok cool. so he cast it 
16:51 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> is sickness magical?
16:52 <Noisytoot> I don't think so
16:52 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so magical 50zm is always see invisible
16:52 <Noisytoot> drow poison exists and is non-magical. I don't know what the price is.
16:52 <Noisytoot> POTION("drow poison",            "inky",  0, 0,  8, 300, CLR_BLACK),
16:52 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> drow poison has a fixed appearance
16:53 <Noisytoot> sickness too (dark green)
16:53 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> sickness too apparently, dark green
16:53 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so whether it's magical or not is moot
16:53 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> unless you play zen wiz I guess 😛
16:54 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I do wonder if K2 realizes that their attempt at preventing a ton of smoky by making sickness fixed only partially works
16:54 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> since you can trivially turn it into fruit juice
16:55 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> (which is still random)
16:55 <Noisytoot> Is that why it's a fixed appearance?
16:55 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> according to the wikipage yes
16:55 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> >Dipping a gray fungus corpse into a potion of fruit juice creates a potion of sickness; dipping a black fungus corpse into a potion of fruit juice creates a potion of drow poison. To prevent wish farming, potions of sickness and drow poison have fixed descriptions (dark green/inky respectively).
16:56 <mobileuser> but the point is you can now make sickness from fruit juice
16:56 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> sickness is easier to make than fruit juice though 😛
16:56 <mobileuser> so if you have smoky fruit juice that doesn't help you
16:57 <mobileuser> I meant the reason for the fixed apperance
16:57 <mobileuser> it's always been the case that fruit juice is the best smoky and it's easy to make sickness with random alchemy
16:58 <rebatela> yep
16:58 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> in my current game smoky is 100zm
16:58 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so no easy wishes for me 😛
16:58 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I guess it could be extra healing
16:58 <rebatela> mine is 200 and i haven't ID'd yet...
17:00 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> polymorph 😛
17:00 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> the most annoying one
17:09 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> K2: "a" doesn't work when selling items to shopkeepers
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17:21 <K2> that would be a 3.6.x thing I suppose
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17:26 <K2> oh wait
17:28 <bhaak> what?
17:28 <K2> terrapin did your A changes affect shopkeeper 'a' selection?
17:28 <K2> it shouldnt have
17:28 <K2> or maybe it did
17:28 <K2> i dunno
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17:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> to be clear, it works but only sells one item
17:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> which is not how it's supposed to work
17:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> "a" is meant as "say y to everything from here onwards"
17:35 <K2> working for me
17:35 <K2> lets see
17:35 <K2> are you playing tty or curses mode?
17:36 <K2> ah curses
17:36 <K2> i'm looking at your rc cfg
17:37 <K2> menustyle is full
17:37 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> what does that have to do with anything?
17:37 <K2> just checking
17:37 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> mhm
17:37 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> 'a' works fine in this config in other variants
17:38 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> to be clear
17:38 <K2> we've run into other curses menu combos in the past with 3.6/3.7
17:38 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so it's not my config
17:38 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ok
17:38 <K2> it might be... troubleshooting
17:39 <K2> it worked fine for me in tty, menustyle: full
17:39 <K2> lemme try curses
17:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6518 (1:20:24)
17:40 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> try putting objects inside a chest
17:40 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> that's what I did
17:40 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> it might matter
17:40 <K2> ok
17:41 <K2> its still working fine for me in curses mode
17:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> what is a "shiny stone"
17:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ok
17:41 <K2> sling bullet
17:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ah
17:43 <K2> oh i see what you're saying
17:44 <K2> you select 'a' but it then asks you if you want to sell the next item
17:44 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> yes
17:44 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> isn't that what I just said? 😛
17:44 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> "a" means "spam y"
17:45 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> like -y in some terminal applications
17:45 <K2> yeah dropping on the floor no problem
17:45 <K2> selling objects while putting them all into a container seems to ignore 'a'
17:46 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I wonder if a monster who somehow got hold of PYEC can unlock crystal chests
17:46 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ok
17:46 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I see
17:46 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> umm
17:46 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> no comment
17:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1469 points, T:6641, killed by an electric chair
17:47 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so far a goblin throne has: set my str to 5, set my cha to 5, shocked me leaving me almost dead, and now shocked me in this new run leading to an actual death
17:47 <mobileuser> heheh
17:47 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> such a nice comfortable throne 🙂
17:48 <K2> mmm throne
17:48 <K2> ok same behavior in tty mode
17:48 <K2> lets see about 3.7
17:48 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ok
17:48 <mobileuser> I just don't sit on it until I can deal with that shit ;-)
17:49 <mobileuser> K2 if it's container related it could well be the new "a" behaviour
17:50 <K2> hmm it behaves the exact same way in 3.7
17:51 <mobileuser> good check!
17:51 <K2> it selecting 'a' for everything you're selling while putting it into a container, it asks ynaq for every object
17:52 <K2> nice FIQ you may have discovered a minor vanilla nethack bug
17:52 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I wonder if q i also ignored
17:52 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ahh cool
17:52 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> *is also ignored
17:55 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I wonder if the One Ring can be "a magical gold copper ring"
17:55 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> or what exactly happens with the ring appearance
17:55 <K2> next version, artifact rings will have their own dedicated material
17:55 <K2> known issue
17:56 <K2> i stopped development on 0.8.3 (version you're playing) a few weeks back, focusing on next new version
17:57 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ahh'
17:57 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> you could also have done something similar to how amulets are handled
17:57 <mobileuser> hackem did that
17:57 <mobileuser> but it's quite involved
17:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1237 points, T:2167, killed by a water moccasin
17:58 <K2> FIQ criticizing me on my troubleshooting methods - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iOnKJA2H7I&t=98s
17:59 <K2> :P
18:05 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> hmm?
18:17 <K2> heh
18:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 54 points, T:733, killed by a goblin
18:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed fsbt490's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:2215 (0:24:12)
18:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2482 (0:26:38)
18:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3183 (0:33:25)
18:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3196 (0:33:40)
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18:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 625 points, T:1896, killed by a mountain dwarf
18:59 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> int 14 wizard
18:59 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> probably dropped early out of wizard school
19:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 173 points, T:1598, killed by a goblin
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19:09 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> "etched short sword"?
19:10 <Umbire> That'd be a droven short sword, I think
19:10 <Umbire> Also nice to see you giving latest evil a try
19:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 8070 points, T:6085, poisoned by an orcish arrow
19:12 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> but I thought droven weapons had an aversion to light?
19:12 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I found it in a lit room
19:12 <Umbire> They do
19:12 <Umbire> They can still generate in lit rooms
19:13 <Umbire> They'll just be fragile and slowly go to pieces when used in those areas
19:13 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ah
19:13 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so it's not like in dnh where looking at them the wrong way makes them instantly shatter
19:14 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> they are at least slightly less fragile than that 😛
19:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Kni Hum Mal Law), 331 points, T:944, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
19:14 <Umbire> Correct :B
19:14 <Umbire> you remind me to bug mobileuser about wikifying drow weapons in general
19:15 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> hm I forgot what health food sells potion-wise
19:15 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> fruit juice and booze only?
19:15 <K2> droven is not a word
19:15 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ok
19:16 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> they also seem to sell scrolls somehow
19:16 <K2> drow implementation in evilhack isnt the same as dnethack. its better in evilhack imo. could prob use some more tweaks though
19:16 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ah food detection of course
19:17 <Umbire> I think they also sell healing potions generally
19:17 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> and not booze apparently
19:18 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> just looked
19:18 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> at vanilla stats
19:18 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> 70% vegetarian food, 20% fruit juice, 4% healing, 3% full healing, 2% scrolls of food detection, 1% royal jelly
19:18 <Umbire> booze isn't exactly healthy to be fair :B
19:18 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> 😛
19:19 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> strangely no extra healing
19:19 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> only healing and full healing
19:25 <Umbire> ye
19:30 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> lol I had no idea there could be a shop here
19:30 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> zapped an orc with force bolt and hit a hidden door and a shopkeeper who was unpleased to see me
19:31 <K2> heh
19:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 78 points, T:2269, killed by a magic missile, while sleeping
19:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> idk how I died through a magic missile though?
19:31 <K2> shopkeeper prob
19:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I guess MR no longer protects against it
19:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> well yeah but
19:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> MR
19:31 <K2> the orctown in evilhack/xnethack is more interesting.live barricaded shopkeeper
19:32 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> this was goblin town
19:32 <K2> evilhack has a general store, xnh has izchak and his light shop
19:32 <K2> oh goblin town
19:32 <K2> yeah there's a chance for a shop to spawn
19:32 <K2> doesnt always
19:32 <K2> you said orc and my brain went to orctown
19:33 <K2> not to be confused with funky town
19:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> fair
19:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> anyway, does MR doesn't work on magic missile?
19:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> *does MR not work
19:35 <K2> it does, but partially
19:35 <K2> reduced damage
19:36 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> hm
19:36 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> does vault teleporters not always port you to the vault?
19:36 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> my pet warped to it, and for me it disposed me in some random location
19:36 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so now I have no pet
19:36 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> rip
19:37 <K2> that means something is in the vault taking up the space it wanted to put you at
19:37 <K2> vanilla beahvior
19:37 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> likely said pseudodragon
19:37 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I assumed it would just port me to some other locaiton
19:37 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> *location
19:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 121 points, T:667, killed by a gas cloud
19:38 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> uh
19:38 <K2> !lastgame
19:38 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/evilhack/dumplog/1709685134.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SludgeGunkman/evilhack/dumplog/1709683160.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/l/leafG/evilhack/dumplog/1709419086.evil.html
19:38 <K2> hah damn kobold
19:38 <K2> read a scroll of stinking cloud at you
19:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> lol rip
19:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> should've selfzapped poly
19:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> probably my best chance
19:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> tele scroll was unIDed
19:39 <K2> brb family just got home
19:39 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> see you
19:48 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I found a room full of statues and a stopmoving wand
19:49 <Umbire> statuary, also in Un and 3.7
19:50 <Umbire> brb
19:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:23028 (11:19:11)
20:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 443 points, T:1140, killed by a large spider
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20:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 247 points, T:149, killed by a large spider
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20:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:226 (0:01:12)
20:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:327 (0:04:13)
20:21 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> >Take note - the magic missile attack employed by Angels, Yeenoghu and the Oracle is no longer negated via magic resistance (half-spell damage reduces its damage output), which means the player will still take damage from this attack type, even with reflection
20:21 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so MR does nothing against magic missiles?
20:21 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> maybe the intrinsic should be renamed then
20:27 <Umbire> It's half-damage
20:27 <Umbire> MR still protects, it's just not negated
20:28 <Umbire> and I don't think reflection ever blocked the melee-range spell to begin with
20:29 <Umbire> also K2, attempting to wish for anything with a gemstone material in my local 0.8.3 setup just gives a random gem instead
20:30 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> Wish for crystal, umbire
20:30 <Umbire> cottoned on after I sent it 
20:32 <Umbire> though apparently that's not a valid material for two handed swords normally?
20:33 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> yeah most things can’t generate as crystal
20:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 3206 points, T:1825, killed by a steel crossbow bolt
20:33 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> dwarvish gear is the only exception I can think of atm
20:34 <Umbire> annoying
20:34 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> yep
20:34 <Umbire> anyway +3 bonus to slashing/piercing, is that applied before the artifact's double damage 
20:34 <Umbire> (fixing Sword of Kas article some)
20:35 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> uhhhhh I’d like to say the crystal damage is doubled but I could easily see it being the other way
20:35 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> is terrapin around? bet he knows
20:35 <Umbire> He's pingable, so should show up sooner or later
20:40 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> if it is doubled, that makes glamdring noticeably better if I understand object material behaviour right
20:40 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> since it's effectively +6 damage vs all
20:40 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> er +3 vs all, +6 vs orcs
20:40 <Umbire> Oh, no, I mean specifically for Sword of Kas
20:41 <Umbire> It's a gemstone zweihander with double damage against liches
20:41 <Umbire> (triple against a particular boss)
20:41 <Umbire> and I'm wondering if the material bonus comes before the multiplier or after
20:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> the reason I brought up glamdring is because it is a similar case in the fact that it has a different material from the base material of elven long swords, which should give it a flag +3 damage bonus
20:41 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> which, for an indirectly nameable artifact, is nothing to sneeze at 😛
20:44 <Umbire> yeah it's the weakest forge arti but it's still perfectly Fine™
20:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 305 points, T:1814, killed by a bugbear
20:44 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> Mhm
20:44 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> depending on your build it could be better than Tempest
20:44 <Umbire> could've done you a favor there
20:44 <Umbire> also need to try a tempest run once I clear a parked game
20:45 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> but yeah generally it’s the weakest of course
20:45 <Umbire> so much I'm missing out on
20:45 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> tempest seems fun but I never seem to get a game where it’s desirable
20:45 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> probably have to start a game with it in mind tbh
20:45 <Umbire> shadowblade is also on the weak side but has a lot of utility perks
20:45 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> stun res seems nice
20:45 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> yeah
20:46 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> oh snickersnee has stun res now too
20:54 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> what is "food sense" that hobbit has?
20:54 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> food appraisal?
20:55 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> yeah it’s the intrinsic you get temporarily after reading blessed food detection
20:55 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> but forever
20:55 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> cool
20:55 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> lol this hobbit started with a +5 ring of gain strength
20:56 <rld> Loggers_VIII said:
20:56 <Umbire> take those all day
20:56 <rld> !whereis FIQ
20:56 <Hecubus> rld: [hdf-eu] FIQ [evil]: (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1
20:59 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> hobbits get satiated at twice the threshold, but does that also hold for choking on food?
20:59 <Umbire> no clue
21:01 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> like, does the choking threshold change for hobbits to be in line with the satiation changes?
21:01 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> if that’s the question yeah I believe so
21:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 729 points, T:390, killed by a carnivorous bag
21:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:345 (0:02:44)
21:05 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> yeah that is what I was asking
21:05 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> oh no wonder this pet isn't attacking the goblin king
21:05 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> it's still a pseudodragon
21:06 <Umbire> yeah, gotta be bigger'n that
21:06 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> is there any special interaction for elven gear for hobbits? or does it merely change starting inventory if applicable
21:06 <K2> a fully grown pseudodragon is a force to be reckoned with
21:07 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> >Hobbits prefer elven gear over anything else, and will start with said gear if it's available. Illithid
21:07 <K2> and you can ride them
21:07 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> yeah I've noticed 🙂
21:07 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> not the riding thing though
21:07 <Umbire> uhhhhh, I don't think they get AC bonuses or anything
21:07 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ignore the illithid part of that quote
21:07 <rebatela> i usually check out the mines and get some armor before doing goblin town 
21:07 <Umbire> they're usually lighter which does a lot for carrycap issues
21:07 <K2> hobbits and elven gear, its just a starting inv change
21:07 <Umbire> 'lo reba
21:07 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I tend to do goblin town first
21:07 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> K2: ah ok
21:08 <rebatela> hey whats good umbire
21:08 <Umbire> shooting breeze, updating wiki, usual
21:08 <K2> @fredriq I'm getting the impression you're enjoying yourself. hope so
21:08 <rebatela> word
21:08 <Umbire> got a bunch of Evil arti pages done
21:08 <K2> yay Umbire
21:08 <K2> \o/
21:08 <rebatela> i have a titan at my castle blocking where the wand is. that's just rng?
21:09 <terrapin> Umbire: material bonuses come before double damage
21:09 <Umbire> Yeah, that's probably a random H that generated in the throne room
21:09 <Umbire> terrapin, bet
21:09 <rebatela> i'm gonna try to tame it but i'm still kinda squishy
21:09 <rebatela> yes throne room exactly 
21:10 <rebatela> I have MR but no reflection yet
21:10 <terrapin> for the sword of kas in particular, pretty much everything comes before the triple damage, except poison
21:10 <rebatela> actually i can cast it if i wear robe. 
21:10 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ah, typo deaths
21:10 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> those are the best
21:10 <rebatela> I should probably start stacking it when I have PW 
21:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 225 points, T:1608, killed by a gas spore's explosion
21:10 <Umbire> autopiloting
21:11 <Umbire> the (minorly) annoying thing about evil spores is you can't E-word to spook them immediately like in vanilla
21:11 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> more like using travel
21:11 <rebatela> umbire: (or anyone) can you look at my game quick? Where are the stairs to the Valley? 
21:11 <rebatela> playing on US
21:11 <Umbire> Hold on a mo'
21:12 <rebatela> i thought this map  had the stairs over to the left outside the castle
21:12 <Umbire> Wait, Valley stairs... 
21:12 <terrapin> i think the valley stairs are gone now
21:12 <Umbire> ^
21:12 <rebatela> oh thats right
21:12 <rebatela> derp
21:12 <Umbire> yeah 
21:12 <rebatela> so i just go down a trap door? 
21:12 <terrapin> yup
21:12 <Umbire> but it would've been on the left if they were still there, yeah
21:12 <Umbire> and yes
21:12 <rebatela> oh ok 
21:13 <Umbire> speaking of, I think it was removed to make room for the Hidden Dungeon portal?
21:13 <rebatela> damn that sucks.. because this is an instance where i'd prefer to clear some of that out and level up with wratihs before doing castl 
21:13 <Umbire> which, idk where that is in this map
21:13 <rebatela> see the Titan? lol. That thing is gonna start casting/summoning as soon as it sees me i would imagine
21:13 <rebatela> not as bad as an archon i guess
21:14 <Umbire> mhm
21:14 <K2> i gotta go, gnite all
21:14 <rebatela> peace
21:14 <K2> FIQ have fun!
21:14 <Umbire> night
21:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 5924 points, T:1459, killed by a crossbow bolt, while sleeping
21:14 <K2> o/
21:14 <terrapin> 'night
21:14 <Umbire> oh that titan, that's the one ON the throne
21:15 <Umbire> for that map it can be titan, vamp lord, I think a couple of other things
21:15 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> night K2
21:16 <Umbire> right now I'm doing up the Vecna artifact stuff 
21:20 <rebatela> i think i've exhausted all the fountains. no unholy water
21:20 <Umbire> unforch
21:20 <rebatela> is the other way to make it confusd blessed remove curse?
21:20 <Umbire> yeah
21:20 <Umbire> that's one way
21:20 <rebatela> I'd rather not pray on another altar
21:20 <Umbire> makes sense
21:21 <rebatela> usually i am able to get it from fountain
21:21 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I would argue blessed remove curse is way easier lol
21:21 <rebatela> this dungeon has sucked. minetown temple was desecrated. no temple in the dungeon
21:21 <rebatela> fiq: yeah i'm gonna do it that way 
21:22 <rebatela> no temple sucks for monk because you need to buy protection 
21:22 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> the only reason I could see to choose fountain over remove curse is if you are illiterate
21:22 <rebatela> to make up for no armor. even vanilla is like that almost more so 
21:22 <rebatela> well i usually just dip them as i'm going down. I dip all the early ones because wishes
21:23 <Umbire> I personally go fountain dipping for various other reasons so I tend to do that on the side if I have all my other stuff done and i'm like
21:23 <rebatela> deeper you don't get a wish but it's still useful for making uholy 
21:23 <Umbire> hunting wishes or w/e
21:23 <Umbire> yeah
21:23 <rebatela> a lot time i find unholy in evil by this point tho 
21:24 <rebatela> i'm not sure i've ever had to do the remove cures thing in evil actually
21:25 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> isn't drinking better for item cursing?
21:25 <Umbire> no
21:25 <Umbire> because you curse a whole bunch of stuff that's not water
21:25 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> just uncurse it
21:25 <rebatela> i just dip a stack of uncursed and eventually it turns unholy 
21:25 <rebatela> usually!
21:26 <rebatela> not in this game 
21:26 <Umbire> that's resources I'd rather not spend
21:26 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I appreciate the end of pet gold littering
21:27 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> what does repair armor do
21:27 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> in-game help is unhelpful
21:28 <Umbire> Level 3 matter spell, repairs one level of armor damage
21:28 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ok
21:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:764 (0:03:43)
21:29 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> so evil basically allows you to overenchant every weapon in the game
21:30 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> without relying on polypiling shenanigans
21:30 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> if they are made of metal
21:30 <Umbire> nnnno?
21:30 <Umbire> P. sure that's not the case
21:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> make a pile of darts, arrows or whatever
21:31 <Umbire> OH
21:31 <Umbire> You mean like forging and stuff?
21:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:922 (0:05:55)
21:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> split the stacks and enhance them until you have your nice +11 darts or whatever
21:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> then go through the forging process
21:31 <Umbire> then in that case you conceivably could, on paper
21:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> which allows you to make every weapon in the game(?) from darts or arrows
21:31 <Umbire> not sure it'd be that worth the squeeze though
21:31 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> well in vanilla this is much, much more annoying
21:32 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> because of polypile
21:32 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> forge allows you to gurantee it
21:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> of course, the ability to dual-wield weapons makes the point moot because artis would generally be better
21:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> except if you are using excal
21:33 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> (or Sting/Orcrist/Glamdring, but those are not worth the enchant weapon scrolls)
21:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 2512 points, T:1935, killed by a bolt of lightning
21:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had a blessed staff of war entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:23999 (12:27:05)
21:43 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> items can come pre-damaged in shops?
21:43 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> somehow this shk is carrying a rotted blindfold
21:44 <Umbire> all items can come pre-eroded
21:44 <Umbire> or erodeproofed
21:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 138 points, T:1471, killed by a fox
21:48 <Umbire> shit, where is sacrifice handled in the code again...
21:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:70608 (13:29:52)
21:50 <Umbire> there we go
21:50 <Umbire> ||https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Eye_of_Vecna||
21:50 <Umbire> (spoilers for FIQ :B)
21:53 <rebatela> i polypile arrows and bolts and such to get shuriken. Although now you can forge them too 
21:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2824 (0:26:06)
22:01 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> where is the stupid stair
22:01 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> re: forging it’s not just darts and arrows, you need crossbow bolts too sometimes :)
22:02 <rld> <Loggers_VIII [@loggersviii]> but yeah basically. really great if you memorize the recipes
22:02 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> no need to memorize
22:02 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> in-game help tells you
22:02 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> can someone tell me where on this level the downstairs might be
22:04 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I found them
22:04 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> in a ridiculously tiny room that generated where I didn't expect any room lol
22:04 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> that was hidden
22:05 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> nice large armor store
22:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 142 points, T:1947, killed by a large mimic
22:06 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> nice, found bone plate mail
22:06 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> good AC without spellcasting impediance
22:09 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> if you find gemstone plate mail (which I think would share name with CPM), it's a strict upgrade from regular CPM
22:11 <Umbire> that IS CPM
22:11 <Umbire> in Evil
22:12 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> according to the in-game info, CPM the base item still exists
22:12 <Umbire> yep, and it's gemstone
22:12 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> hm I wonder what items are "of dwarvish make"
22:13 <terrapin> the ones with "dwarvish" in the name :P
22:17 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> iirc the list is less well-defined in vanilla
22:17 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> but yeah that seems to be the case in evil
22:18 <Umbire> yeah iron boots are split between dwarvish/orcish shoes
22:26 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> is dwarf cannibalism for hobbits?
22:26 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> apparently not
22:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) had an orcish dagger entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:72817 (14:08:19)
22:27 <Umbire> non, only other hobbits
22:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 169 points, T:1198, killed by a gas cloud
22:27 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> again with the gas clouds huh
22:27 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ok
22:27 <Umbire> you seem to have very bad luck with stinking cloud specifically
22:28 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> yeah this is the 2nd one in what, 10 runs? 😛
22:28 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> that game sucked in general
22:28 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> thoth refused to help me with hunger whatsoever
22:32 <Umbire> @Loggers_VIII I require thine assistance again
22:33 <Umbire> testing the SLASH'EM eyeball thing like I was with the severed hand
22:34 <Umbire> actually sike 
22:34 <Umbire> can just read code
22:43 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> "The kobold throws a crude dagger!  The crude dagger drops onto the forge." what is this kobold doing lol
22:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 magical dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:982 (0:05:47)
22:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Rat King, on T:8469 (1:41:08)
22:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:8487 (1:41:29)
22:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1284 (0:08:18)
22:49 <Umbire> @fredriq Forges have sink-like effects on projectiles
22:50 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> ah
22:50 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> why do I have 5 stacks of crossbow bolts lol
22:51 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> they all sell for 1
22:51 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> other than this steel one that sells for 2
22:51 <Umbire> enchantment/proofing splits
22:52 <Umbire> also oprops can split stacks though obv. not the case here
22:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2778 (0:28:13)
22:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Fem Law), 31401 points, T:9221, killed by a giant crocodile
22:57 <Umbire> yay
22:58 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> wasn't me though
22:58 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> I blame my pet
23:00 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> aw no market
23:00 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> *marker
23:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:2079 (0:23:16)
23:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 3862 points, T:2079, killed by an exploding magical bag
23:03 <Umbire> F
23:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:25220 (12:56:58)
23:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 400 points, T:4539, killed by a nightmare
23:17 <Umbire> ah RIP
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23:24 <dingotron17> hmm what is a good thing to be wield as a neutral priest when crowned, if mjolnir already exists in game?
23:25 <Umbire> whatever blunt weapon you wanna unrestrict or something, I guess?
23:28 <Umbire> idk
23:29 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> oh nice, evilhack does the fiqhack spellbook thing with weight
23:29 <rld> <FIQ [@fredriq]> no need to price id them then
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23:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 154 points, T:2159, killed by a sewer rat, while praying
23:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] FIQ (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 230 points, T:1463, killed by a boiling potion