00:13 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:76064 (9:45:06) 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Arc Trt Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:16376 (6:03:35) 00:33 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 00:38 @Sylvie sorry that happened to you! Beholders are brutal. 00:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 00:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide jumping boots", on T:76850 (10:13:19) 00:53 dingotron knife skill got merged with dagger skill 00:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) wished for "blessed +3 mithril helm of speed", on T:76992 (10:18:32) 00:54 mobileuser this has unwanted side effects! like increasing the number of junk gifts you can get 00:56 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism by offering an elven priest corpse on an altar of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3622 (1:16:44) 00:56 but it doesn't reduce your chance of getting an artifact 00:58 here is the nice bit: 00:59 "Roles who could train up 00:59 both knives and daggers, but knives could have been trained up higher, 00:59 have had their dagger max skill adjusted upwards accordingly 00:59 (cavepersons, convicts, healers, samurai)" 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:35706 (6:56:24) 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35708 (6:56:29) 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:35965 (7:01:16) 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6754 points, T:3914, killed by an incubus of Manannan Mac Lir 01:07 that's a buff I guess 01:11 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 599 points, T:573, killed by a goblin shaman 01:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) used a forge to create the Hammer of the Gods, on T:121791 (2 days, 2:56:55) 01:13 Ok something on an early dungeon level managed to cancel two of my enchanted spears... and I don't know what or how 01:18 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1226 (0:07:39) 01:28 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:30 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had a spellbook of remove curse given to her by Thoth, on T:37036 (7:26:40) 01:33 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:937 (0:28:22) 01:37 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:37432 (7:33:30) 01:40 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1843 points, T:1456, killed by an iguana 01:42 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3123 (0:31:05) 01:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:19290 (5:36:06) 01:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19859 (5:52:25) 02:08 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 12122 points, T:5084, killed by an owlbear 02:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:122626 (2 days, 3:37:58) 02:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:122634 (2 days, 3:38:19) 02:18 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:39062 (8:14:50) 02:40 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:39890 (8:36:22) 02:42 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:40117 (8:38:45) 03:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) destroyed Charon, on T:123356 (2 days, 4:19:32) 03:54 I always forget to unwield hammer of the gods 04:58 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: [cycling]] 04:58 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:42 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 06:34 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:40 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:45619 (11:26:39) 06:50 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had a shield of light entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:45975 (11:36:46) 07:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) had a helmet entrusted to her by Venus, on T:42961 (10:27:41) 07:47 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:55 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7895 (1:14:23) 08:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:125355 (2 days, 5:47:18) 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:10180 (1:47:59) 08:31 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:10745 (1:55:09) 08:45 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 08:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 08:54 -!- krm26_ has joined #evilhack 08:54 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:00 -!- krm26__ has joined #evilhack 09:00 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:01 -!- jonadab has joined #evilhack 09:02 -!- krm26_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:04 k2, when you get 'You read: "Blah blah blah.".' the second period is ungrammatical. When text is output it should replace \p{Punct}". with \p{Punct}" 09:04 (general nethack bug i assume) 09:04 -!- krm26__ is now known as krm26 09:06 weird 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) stole 60 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Tjibarusa's delicatessen, on T:12838 (2:30:53) 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 10169 points, T:12842, killed by Ms. Tjibarusa; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 09:15 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:16 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) destroyed Kas, on T:125681 (2 days, 6:10:12) 09:25 -!- PhantomLumina has joined #evilhack 09:25 -!- PhantomLumina has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) had an axe entrusted to her by Venus, on T:48228 (12:19:12) 09:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:50269 (12:29:36) 09:38 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:79272 (11:04:45) 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Pri Hob Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:32042 (6:41:11) 09:52 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Pri Hob Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:32047 (6:41:54) 09:59 @e?imp 09:59 imp (i) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 1d4 claw physical | Align: -7 | genocidable, regen, stalker, silverhate, infravis, passes-bars 10:00 yey 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1300 (0:08:43) 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:1321 (0:09:28) 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 2574 points, T:1638, killed by a crossbow bolt 10:08 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest9357 10:08 -!- Guest9357 has quit [Killed (platinum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 10:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) destroyed Vecna, on T:126127 (2 days, 6:35:46) 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:80440 (11:27:16) 10:31 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 10:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a spear entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:5635 (0:36:38) 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:82093 (11:52:31) 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5941 points, T:6945, killed by a werewolf 10:45 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 596 points, T:847, killed by the Goblin King 10:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:82613 (12:00:12) 10:46 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 10:46 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) genocided alhoons, on T:126136 (2 days, 6:37:28) 10:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:126139 (2 days, 6:38:16) 10:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:126140 (2 days, 6:38:24) 10:56 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Pri Hob Fem Law) had a spellbook of protection given to her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:38496 (7:46:39) 10:59 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Pri Hob Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:39572 (7:54:08) 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) wished for "blessed mithril magic lamp", on T:83482 (12:28:59) 11:29 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 509 points, T:623, killed by the Goblin King 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:84400 (12:50:29) 11:38 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 11:40 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Tal'Gath, on T:84742 (12:52:24) 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) genocided beholders, on T:84893 (12:53:41) 11:43 oh my pet just dropped a couple crude poisoned arrows of lightning at my feet. I wonder if I could up-cycle them at a forge into a spear of lighting? 11:44 its possible yes 11:44 not sure if it will work as wiki suggests 1st item needs to be arrow and second a dagger? and only second item carries through properties? Also I am assuming that you have to do orcish + orcish? 11:44 yup 11:44 I guess I can try it! 11:44 you could make an orcish spear of zappy zap 11:45 That only applies if both objects have properties 11:45 i like the sound of that 11:45 If only one does, it carries by defaly 11:45 default* 11:45 ah thanks 11:46 I remember some disappointment trying something similar in a past game with elven arrows, only to realize they were not metalic 11:46 orcish should be iron tho 11:46 dingotron if you look at your inventory, then hit the letter that's assigned to those arrows, you'll get more info about them, including forge recipies 11:47 oh 11:49 when I try that, I just get a longfellow poem about arrows 11:49 huh 11:49 lemme have a look 11:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:126677 (2 days, 7:04:20) 11:50 i have orcish arrows in my inventory 11:51 when i select the inv letter assigned, i get all the info 11:51 are your orcish arrows ID'ed? 11:51 Forging recipes (#forge): 11:51 2 orcish arrow + 1 orcish dagger = orcish spear 11:51 2 orcish arrow + 1 knife = orcish dagger 11:51 try it with "3 poisoned corroded crude arrows of lightning " 11:51 they need to be ID'd lol 11:52 yup 11:52 need to be ID'ed 11:52 but anyways - 2 orcish arrows + 1 orcish dagger = 1 orcish spear 11:54 that's what I'll try. damnit though I only have 3 of these arrows. so my dreams of multishoting zappy zap spears won't quite be realizable (yet) 11:55 * K2 officially renames 'lightning' to 'zappy zap' 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had a cornuthaum entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:47752 (13:06:23) 11:58 another slight wrinkly in plan Zappy Zap toss. is that some monsters might throw one right back at me... and I don't have shock resistance quite yet. Could be bad for my own health, rings and wands to have too many zappy zap items flying around the dungeon. 11:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:126895 (2 days, 7:12:26) 11:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:86648 (13:10:25) 11:59 okay, unrelated. How did my warhorse just go from 80 max hp to 27 max Hp in the space of a few turns on dlv6? 11:59 Hunger 12:00 oh wow. learned a new thing. 12:00 kelp frond seems to have fixed that for him too. 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:86790 (13:13:10) 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:86797 (13:13:17) 12:05 mmm kelp 12:06 btw that inventory feature is awesome. Like not having to flip over to the wiki and being able to stay in game. same with the '/' monster info ookup 12:09 you also look up items with '/' 12:09 like those orcish arrows 12:09 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had a silver dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:48250 (13:19:50) 12:10 orcish arrow singular I notice 12:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:48339 (13:27:56) 12:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:127152 (2 days, 7:21:33) 12:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) destroyed Kas, on T:88390 (13:35:59) 12:25 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:26 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 12:40 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:657 (0:03:42) 13:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) destroyed Vecna, on T:89751 (14:07:27) 13:09 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:90504 (14:25:30) 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) genocided alhoons, on T:90632 (14:26:45) 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:90632 (14:26:50) 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) had a platinum shield of light entrusted to her by Venus, on T:55107 (13:07:09) 13:34 platinum! 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity", on T:90885 (14:40:09) 13:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) killed Baphomet, on T:127993 (2 days, 7:48:59) 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a storm giant, on T:50929 (14:49:00) 13:39 What vanilla monsters can use bearhug-style attacks and still wear armor or cloaks (assume latest stable) 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 71461 points, T:24063, killed by a leocrotta 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:57745 (13:25:30) 13:46 You place the kabuto, then the mithril small shield inside the forge. Raising your heavy war hammer, you begin to forge the objects together... You have successfully forged a pair of mithril bracers (20 aum). 13:47 ^ future version 13:47 not shattering bracers? omigod maybe dual wielding roles will FINALLY be powerful enough to ascend :-) 13:48 lol 13:48 k2222222 13:48 how about crossbow bolts + crossbow bolts -> arrows and vice versa :-) 13:49 because, hear me out, with forging now it is usually easier for rangers to load up on shuriken than their bow/crossbow missiles in the early/midgame 13:51 but arrow/crossbow traps and then their quest artifact 13:52 and yeah regular non-drow bracers will be in next version. the druid quest artifact is a pair of runed (wood) bracers 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 2934 points, T:1300, killed by a straw golem 13:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) killed Dispater, on T:128217 (2 days, 8:01:56) 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Geryon, on T:91879 (14:59:22) 13:58 yeah there's tons of arrows and now bolts already like 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1250 (0:06:14) 14:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:92092 (15:05:34) 14:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:92093 (15:05:41) 14:05 mannnn trees blocking the ranger quest 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 3679 points, T:1796, killed by a gnomish wizard 14:07 "The bone devil slashes its bone katana" (appropriate weapon) 14:07 yeah, ranger home level sucks krm26 14:07 xnethack version is much nicer 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Trt Fem Neu), 426170 points, T:52272, suffocated by a gelatinous cube 14:08 F 14:09 Honestly at this point in time the home level is really the only thing I mind about it 14:09 the wand spam is a close second but hey ho, beggars and choosers and all 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:613 (0:04:12) 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the invisible Lolth, on T:92892 (15:17:04) 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Pri Hob Fem Law), 650588 points, T:45834, choked on a wraith corpse 14:18 F 14:20 damnnn 14:22 oopsies 14:23 i've purposely not taken any content from xnethack as far as revamped quest levels go, because that kinda felt like a dick move. now that it's been awhile, i may borrow some ideas 14:23 but, priority is druid right now 14:24 and hobbit too :-( 14:24 hobbit? 14:24 hard to get satiated 14:24 let alone choke on a wraith 14:25 oh 14:25 yeah elron was a hobbit 14:25 daaaamn 14:25 I've been eating giants and dragons with abandon 14:26 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2556/source 14:26 eh YASD -- whatcha gonna do? 14:26 reroll 14:27 but not before curling up into the fetal position and crying myself to sleep 14:27 elron, that's the spirit 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 575 points, T:2297, killed by a mountain dwarf, while praying 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) killed Scorpius, on T:60787 (14:17:37) 14:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:128394 (2 days, 8:22:45) 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:60835 (14:20:03) 14:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:61324 (14:27:54) 14:47 k2: when longbow of diana was identified by completing my quest without incident, its carried telepathy went away 14:48 having it exit/reenter inventory fixed it 14:49 ok 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:2277 (0:22:15) 14:55 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:57 if i dragonscale armor of (property), it loses the property, right? 14:59 yes 15:01 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4295 (0:41:40) 15:18 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 11963 points, T:6935, killed by a dust vortex, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) killed Graz'zt, on T:128662 (2 days, 8:37:32) 15:25 woop 15:25 DIRGE 15:25 \o/ 15:26 you have the GoPur right? 15:26 yeah :-) 15:26 hah... easymode grazzt 15:26 converted to lawful 15:26 heh 15:28 oh wow, stairs to Vlad are on the Graz'zt level 15:28 that's pretty rare I think 15:30 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:791 (0:04:52) 15:30 it is 15:33 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:94103 (15:30:22) 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:94109 (15:30:30) 15:40 does GoPur protect against item stealing from Grazzt (or just seduction by foocubi)? 15:40 all seduction attacks (so graz'zt too) 15:41 fun fact, seduction is AT_BITE 15:41 (at least for foocubi) 15:41 which is why seducing a chicken kills you 15:41 and why you get that silly "you smile seductively at the cockatrice. you turn to stone..." message 15:43 Eyup 15:43 totally unrelated I just did a big once over on footrices 15:43 oh so all item stealing attacks counts as a seduction? 15:43 also ab Loggers_VIII 15:44 dingotron, specifically from intelligent monsters 15:44 ab. saw chicken wiki changes, looks nice 15:44 otherwise it's just a "normal" theft attack (think monkeys) 15:44 prevents wizard from stealing artifacts? 15:44 no it's just seduction attacks 15:45 how about leprechauns 15:45 they don't seduce you so nah 15:45 monster lookup tells you if monsters use seduction or not 15:45 @e?water nymph 15:45 water nymph (n) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Atk: 0d0 claw item steal, 0d0 claw seduce | Align: 0 | genocidable, swims, tele, infravis 15:45 @e?monkey 15:45 monkey (Y) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Atk: 0d0 claw item steal, 1d3 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, infravis 15:46 @e?succubus 15:46 succubus (&) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 0d0 bite sex, 1d3 claw physical, 1d3 claw physical | Align: -9 | flies, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis 15:47 wtf, monkeys dont use seduction? why the heck am i sleeping with them all the time? 15:47 ok. trying to visualize the venn diagram of attacks that take things from you and which of those are 'seductions' 15:47 it's basically nymphs foocubi and graz'zt 15:47 The AD_SITM/AD_SEDU distinction in vanilla is weird. Why do nymphs have both? Does that mean that GoPur protects vs the second nymph attack but not the first? dNetHack makes both nymph attacks AD_SEDU 15:48 lol "bite sex" 15:48 yeah that's on me. I should've said seduction from an intelligent monster is always item theft. item theft =/= seduction 15:48 it's a "squares and rectangles" thing 15:49 @e?leprechaun 15:49 leprechaun (l) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 15 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 1d2 claw gold steal | Align: 0 | genocidable, tele, infravis, passes-bars 15:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:94869 (15:42:13) 15:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:94871 (15:42:15) 15:51 @e?Graz'zt 15:51 Graz'zt (&) | Lvl: 105 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 35 | Gen: unique | AC: -9 | Atk: 4d8 weapon physical, 6d6 claw stun, 4d6 cast clerical, 3d6 claw item steal | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis 15:52 (if you don't know, you can also do that in game, dingotron, -- /?) 15:53 I do know. But then we can't talk about it! Like how the desc for nymph explicitly mentions seduction. but graz'zt just says 'item steal'. 15:53 what graz'zt does is nameless and unspeakable 15:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53 Just from the in-game descriptions, one could easly assume that Graz'zt has same steal behavior as the monkey 15:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:54 krm26 lol 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] sheltathalore (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonbane", on T:8170 (1:30:09) 16:02 man one of those games where i am going to have to polypile for a towel, stethoscope, or magic whistle after 100k turns :-P 16:03 At least I finally understand why GoPur has that property for lawful characters. Until today, I thought that was such a random inconsequential benefit! (who cares about foocubi's by that point in the game?!) 16:04 yeah it's very nice to make graz'zt less threatening 16:05 especially if he gets gated. graz'zt is even more dangerous than lucifer if he catches you off-guard 16:05 Also, as the guy who just stumbled upon the level with 12x4 leprechaun hall. Yay? for all the gold, but goddamn steally monsters. Paging Lepo cleanup on aisle 3, aisle, 4, aisle 5, aisle... 16:05 :) 16:06 Loggers_VIII, ping me at like 16:06 !whereis dingotron 16:06 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] dingotron [evil]: (Con Hob Fem Cha) T:33279 The Dungeons of Doom level: 29 16:06 a quarter to the hour in whatever zone you're in 16:06 (4PM here) 16:06 leprechuans with gold ring of free action and gold amulet of mr ... mmmm 16:06 sure umbire 16:06 need a break after that big set of passes 16:06 dragon's gonna be an even bigger one 16:07 dragon??? good luck with that! 16:07 hmm Hecubus did not get that right. am an arch on dlv8 16:07 (I just realized that 'good luck with that!' is usually meant in a sarcastic way. I'm being sincere :)) 16:07 the !whereis command almost never works properly 16:07 Loggers_VIII, I mean the idea is "I'm keeping the dragons themselves split" so the work is already done for me in that regard 16:08 right, dragons been split for a hwhile 16:08 The issue then becomes one of properly handling the monsters per-variant and also setting up variant-specific dragon articles because they all tackle the dragon problem in their own way 16:09 stuff like what I did for, say uhhhhhh 16:09 the bigger rats recently 16:09 isn't gonna fly this time because they're different in fucking 16:09 EVERY variant 16:10 yeah p much every variant does something different with dragons 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 3616 points, T:2809, killed by a soldier ant 16:10 honestly I might extend the break a bit and then warm back up using giants, the articles do need splitting since variants do differentiate them somewhat more besides "giant of element" 16:11 speaking of dragons, k2 whadda you think about letting red dragons berserk? hackem did that recently and I thought it could be neat 16:11 fits with their theme 16:12 giants? interesting. I always thought they were kind of boring in most variants 16:12 though I don't pay much attention to them 16:13 they're a little boring yeah 16:13 but idk what all other variants do with them if anything 16:13 at minimum bunching up individual monsters that aren't form changes on a single article isn't much helpful in my view 16:13 boring until one knocks you back into lava 16:14 yeah in variants with knockback they're more interesting at least 16:14 if one dragon could go berserk, all of them should 16:14 how do knockback attacks work in evil? is it chance-based or do you get knocked back always if you get hit by one 16:14 chance 16:15 1/6th i think 16:15 all the other dragons are chill. red dragons are mad! 16:15 heh 16:15 there's an article for that now Logs 16:15 back in a bit 16:15 also I said "boring", not "unthreatening" 16:15 o/ 16:15 the primary diff between giants is the strength of their weapon attack and their elemental affinity 16:16 also AC 16:16 what's the order of giant danger, stone -> hill -> fire -> storm? 16:17 hill -> stone -> fire/frost -> storm 16:17 frost giants are a thing? 16:17 the "plain" one used for undead corpses is equivalent to stone 16:17 yes 16:17 no way 16:17 how did I not know that 16:17 dude they're in kathy's place all the fucking time 16:18 how did you not know that 16:18 :-) 16:18 ohhhh you're so right actually 16:18 often riding mammoths 16:18 storm giants are weird. why are they so high level? 16:18 they're the second strongest type in D&D after titans 16:19 to confuse you with bogus 5s 16:19 which, hold on a moment 16:19 if they were weaker, it would be too easy to get shock res 16:19 there aren't any real 5s in vanilla anyway :p 16:20 at least they are tougher than glass golems :-) 16:20 it has been mentioned that we need "6" in evilhack 16:20 I was just about to mention glass golems :) 16:20 ez 16:20 also shock res is surprisingly easy as it is lmao 16:20 I tend to get them from globs and cube corpses in vanilla 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) had an alchemy smock entrusted to her by Venus, on T:63912 (15:23:10) 16:21 Loggers_VIII: archon 16:21 more important than a 6 is a BLOODY ZERO 16:21 GruntHack 16:22 yeah archons and purple Ls get a pass I guess 16:22 but archons are so high level you almost never see them until planes anyway 16:22 says you, I had one in my 3.7 Rogue ascension 16:23 (to be fair I dawdled a LOT in that game) 16:23 I had one on the level above medusa in TNNT 16:24 I feel like I remember you mentioning that, that's crazy 16:24 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:25 warning number is based off of the level of the monster, right? 16:25 yeah 16:25 I got izchak so low once he didn't show up on warning and jumped out at me from around a corner 16:25 (evilhack izchak) 16:26 level drain does that, yeah 16:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law), 3010340 points, T:96284, killed by Graz'zt 16:26 And that's why you respect Graz'zt. 16:27 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:28 fuck it, full hour break. brain was really on one 16:28 damn rip :( 16:29 I'm fine lmao just need to pace myself and take downtime 16:29 during that time most I'll do is scribble up any stuff for my variant that drips into the brain 16:29 was talking about splunge but rip to you too :p 16:29 fun idea for variant: nowerebanehack 16:30 nethack but without pesky werebane! the game can finally be perfected! 16:31 oh lmao 16:31 also you and your werebane hateboner lmao 16:31 I redid that article too - it really does suffer from lack of general purpose perks 16:31 which is why I honestly think suppressing HP regen on hit can really add something 16:32 beyond that I think it's fine™ to have it as an early game-tier arti 16:32 doesn't mean it can't be buffed mind 16:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:129246 (2 days, 9:05:03) 16:32 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:600 (0:03:31) 16:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:129247 (2 days, 9:05:10) 16:33 yeah there's merit in the reworking of werebane as opposed to removal 16:33 What I'm hearing is we need werexorns 16:34 🗞 16:34 if there was a were-variant of every monster in the game, maybe I'd be a little more convinced about using werebane 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22317 (14:04:50) 16:34 I wonder if tinklebear is going MR-less again 16:34 you say that sorta-jokingly but I've been contemplating what Kes did with monster templating 16:35 for my variant/in general really but also contemplating templated werefoo 16:35 dunno how feasible/practical it is though 16:35 I barely know anything about splicehack. its wiki presence is not great 16:35 oh I have been using werebane a lot in my game Loggers_VIII 16:35 50% chance of generating any monster as a were-templated version of it 16:36 seems like it could work. but there are a lot of monsters it'd actually not be bad to have as your wereform 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:321 (0:02:27) 16:36 werehack 16:36 werebane is great when you have no other artifact weapon at all 16:36 I would play werehack 16:36 mobileuser in evilhack I can't totally fault you because you can offhand it 16:36 no, it is great when you want to go through a bunch of weredemons 16:36 ^ 16:36 doesn't have to be main weapon 16:36 grand total of FOUR werefoo in Evil but the last one is a right dickhead 16:36 there's like one room in the entire game with a bunch of weredemons :P 16:37 not true 16:37 I do hate weredemons though. so it is nice for that 16:37 and offhand gives it a bit more "general" application, silver saber with to-hit is a pretty good ask 16:37 I actually had a couple in the main dungeon Loggers_VIII 16:38 I think I've had them in graveyards in the main dungeon before(?) 16:38 grayswandir > werebane in every way 16:38 actually, it may have been that themeroom with the trapped monster 16:38 because it's grayswandir, entirely unfair comparison 16:38 specialty weapon Noisytoot 16:38