00:08 omg I'm not a knight. 00:08 ... 00:08 sure glad no one is online to see that stupid mistake 00:08 heh 00:08 just me and the bots 00:08 and meeeeee 00:08 so lonely in here 00:08 i've done it before, dipping for excal as a non knight 00:09 mem lapse 00:09 I just got done with two knights so I was kind of in the zone. 00:10 :P 00:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:11335 (2:38:34) 00:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:16149 (4:30:34) 01:10 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:16532 (3:17:08) 02:03 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:49 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:04 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:47412 (9:04:54) 05:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:44 heh bouquet 05:44 DIRGE 05:54 'lo. 06:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:54220 (1 day, 3:12:25) 06:07 ab 06:08 ab 06:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a pair of gauntlets of power entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:88140 (1 day, 19:06:10) 06:08 Still having fun with that cavegiant I hope? 06:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had an axe entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:49778 (9:57:30) 06:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:50021 (9:58:56) 06:15 cavegiant is doing great! 06:16 Whee. 06:17 I'm getting along fine enough with this xnh monk, hoping I can push into Gehennom and see all the stuff other folks were talking about first hand. 06:18 I think xnh does a thing where you can potentially meet all the rulers somehow? 06:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:51500 (10:09:21) 06:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:55338 (1 day, 3:25:58) 06:20 Heavy mace, right? 06:20 You can at least use that. 06:21 Probably want it outright, I'd imagine. 06:21 yeah, but will combine it with sunsword for the hammer 06:21 Cavefolk get at least Skilled, right? 06:21 If not expert. 06:21 will not use it for a while because I have Dagul as pet 06:21 yes, expert 06:22 In hammers, I mean. 06:22 ah, skilled 06:22 Apologies, odd hours doing me less favors than usual. 06:22 also pretty good 06:22 I haven't played xnh gehennom myself 06:23 but yeah, you can seek out all the rulers 06:23 When was the last you played xnh, on that note. 06:24 2022-10-07 11:50 says the scoreboard :-) 06:24 Got like 15 HP off a single nurse, great for monks. 06:25 Uhhhh, what version would that've been... 06:25 nice 06:25 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:25 but for every ruler you don't kill, there will be some nerf on the asc run 06:25 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:88276 (1 day, 19:23:27) 06:25 7.1? 06:26 Also yeah no I'm aware of that 06:26 yeah 7.1 was the last I played 06:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:52255 (10:15:40) 06:27 Yeah so it's probably more jacked up since then. You should give it another go when you an. 06:27 can* 06:27 the thing is though 06:28 I don't think I will like that wizard tower puzzle stuff and I fear a number of those bosses will be tedious 06:29 Completely fair. It sounds like a lot but I'd rather reserve in-depth judgment until I at least hit that part myself. 06:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:52764 (10:18:38) 06:29 plus there are some restrictions in xnh I don't like in general. I understand the design philosophy of making the player find stuff, but it makes it grindy. 06:32 Makes sense. 06:33 Related, pondering how I should cover monster displacement (as in monsters shoving others out of the way) 06:34 90% of it is just figuring out an article title, the rest should come pretty easily from there. 06:36 Up to 20 HP off that same nurse, meanwhile... 06:36 why not add to the main Displacement article? 06:37 The invisible nurse touches you! (I hope you don't mind.) You feel wiser! You must have been very observant. 06:37 heh 06:37 mobileuser, because that covers the displacement property 06:37 as in the cloak and such 06:37 Which is why titling it is the biggest hurdle 06:38 I also see mentions of eg displacer beasts 06:38 They do both is the thing 06:38 ah ok 06:38 They also probably kill me outright if I run into them as I am right now 06:38 mobileuser, fun fact is their hide is what people use to make the cloaks 06:39 @x?displacer beast 06:39 displacer beast (f) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -10 | Atk: 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 2d10 bite physical | Align: -3 | genocidable, carnivore, infravis 06:39 right, doesn't show size 06:39 the monster displacement I'm talking about is a property of size 06:39 (that I'm currently aware of) 06:41 sorry "monsters shoving others out of the way" you said that 06:44 yeah 06:44 similar to how you might displace peacefuls, pets, etc. 06:45 -!- cbus has joined #evilhack 06:51 I see evilhack has a M3_DISPLACES tag 06:51 Figured Evil has it too. 06:51 But yeah, all I need is an article title... 06:56 Think I got ~24 HP before this nurse finally disappeared. 07:00 nice boost 07:13 Speaking of wiki stuff, mobileuser 07:13 There anything you think could use prio? 07:20 not at the moment 07:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) just blew up his Bag of the Hesperides, on T:55517 (1 day, 3:44:47) 07:22 ah... 07:22 Oh no 07:23 K2 I though that identifying the Bag of the Hesperides would also identify bag of holding 07:24 right, I guess I hadn't actually identified it yet 07:24 live and learn 07:25 "The silver heavy mace named Demonbane misses Dagul" lol 07:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:57696 (10:39:54) 07:27 oof my WoW was glass 07:28 ok that just majorly fucked up my game 07:29 "nerfing" things doesn't auto-wimpify a game, example #45,724,5687 07:29 -7 07:29 but genuinely, that's rough and I'm sorry 07:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:58854 (10:44:51) 07:31 were you planning to wish up Sunsword for the hammer? 07:33 nah I can get that from saccing 07:34 but it would have been nice to wish up a BoH and have some wishes in reserve 07:34 Yeah :/ 07:34 you at least still HAVE demonbane also 07:35 lesson learned, when the superbag is your first BoH, identify immediately 07:36 I'll have to wait for another player monster to appear. 07:36 first back to the magic chest to shed weight 07:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:60507 (10:53:30) 07:42 good luck, you should be able to make up the wish difference 07:44 fortunately I had already wished up the armor I wanted. and at some point a smoky object det will deliver. 07:46 Nice 07:46 Hmm, speaking of delivering I think I can justify entering quest portal 07:46 problem in previous runs was pushing luck with evaluating combat situations 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:60898 (11:00:06) 07:51 another lesser problem is I don't have enough ranged options to work comfortably with 07:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 bone gauntlets of power", on T:8040 (1:52:10) 07:57 almost wanna go back and pick up a crossbow 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8464 (1:57:26) 07:57 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:57027 (1 day, 4:16:37) 08:01 ooh, next NPC... 08:01 ? 08:04 damn, only an oilskin sack 08:05 NPC = player monster 08:06 I know. 08:06 I was thinking there'd be something particular about them 08:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:62115 (11:19:59) 08:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 cloak of displacement", on T:62123 (11:20:22) 08:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 gray dragon scales", on T:62124 (11:20:34) 08:10 yeah, bags of holding :-) 08:10 Huh, figured you couldn't crown until post-quest 08:10 wonder what variant I was thinking of 08:10 dnh 08:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:9576 (2:11:13) 08:13 Probably 08:14 3 AC from a plastic robe, this'll make a great backup 08:14 same with the gloves 08:17 tins of spinach are p. big too 08:23 lesson learned, when the superbag is your first BoH, identify immediately 08:24 you can just type-name it 08:24 The best part is the level curve generally sucking less - I think xnh still gates quest until XL 14 but you can like, feasibly reach that with less reliance on wraiths and stuff if anything 08:24 s/anything/any reliance at all 08:24 or type-name, good point 08:32 The best part of what? 08:35 Oh wait you CAN enter quest early 08:35 eh I'm only one level off 08:36 real problem is my current best strategy is "cast sleep on Kaen and stick it" hopium 08:39 kick loose some eucalyptus, bless it so I can finally have a magic whistle-like, then finish Ludios 08:39 hope Croesus has some kicks 08:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:11980 (2:38:43) 08:47 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 08:48 Ludios should also give a nice stack of spears, though there's the matter of material also 08:50 are you talking about evilhack or xnethack? 08:52 xnh 08:56 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:51873 (9:50:26) 08:57 elron, did Croesus have kicks? 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:13337 (2:54:37) 08:57 yup - a stylish set of gold kicking boots 08:58 I want 08:58 like unironically 08:58 busy clearing out soldiers using MA + intermittent fireball spell while listening to a video 08:58 funnily enough - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNSL_ljmCSA 08:59 appears to be a fair bit of teamkilling going on, perhaps I boiled a confusion potion or something similar? 09:01 could also be me being invisible but they're a few squares out 09:02 ooh, one of them dropped a shirt 09:02 mine 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:62789 (12:18:58) 09:09 The soldier thrusts one of her wooden spears named Infinite Spear. Your robe blocks the soldier's attack. 09:09 mineminemineminemine... 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:63180 (12:26:58) 09:32 ok Glomik the Rover... 09:33 That's... a rival Caveman, yeah? 09:33 Hopefully hostile 09:34 a sack 09:34 ;( 09:34 :/ 09:34 mobileuser I know this is your first time playing, so in the future you know to be careful with BoH 09:34 :P 09:34 lol 09:35 rip superbag 09:35 ab K2 09:35 morning! 09:35 ab 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:54615 (10:40:09) 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:54618 (10:40:26) 09:48 even the high-level player monsters have trouble finding a BoH in this dungeon... 09:49 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) refused to give up The Striped Shirt of Liberation to Robert the Lifer, on T:55028 (10:45:48) 09:52 ooooh snap 09:52 game on 09:59 I understand completely why you made the change but I really wanna see if I can make maining an iron ball viable if/when I start variant development 09:59 even if it's an "out there" option 10:00 in fact, I feel like I should go for a proper "ball-and-chain" weapon 10:02 in order to be a viable weapon, they need to be enchantable and much lighter 10:03 I'm aware 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:18606 (4:00:58) 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18607 (4:01:05) 10:05 agreed with lighter, but they already do very high damage 10:05 and for an artifact you can always add damage 10:06 enchantment also affects to-hit and they have bad to-hit 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:18851 (4:03:18) 10:07 dnethack has an artifact iron ball with negative weight (the iron ball of levitation) 10:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:61321 (1 day, 5:11:24) 10:09 getting away from a ball & chain entirely was the right move imo 10:09 woohoo 10:09 Training flail skill can improve to-hit but what's the base to-hit before all that 10:09 oh there it is, hammer time 10:09 mobileuser weeee 10:09 dont blow up your sunsword 10:09 :P 10:09 sorry Dagul 10:09 will have to retire you 10:09 change him into a newt 10:10 but first some more camping... 10:11 you'd also need to make them count as real weapons for the purpose of twoweaponing 10:13 hence the desire for a ball and chain weapon, if nothing else I could make the "standard" Convict artifact into that maybe 10:18 Ken the Speleologist 10:18 heh he is digging his way towards me 10:18 Might not be likely, though idk if BoH odds depend on starting inventory 10:18 Yeah they do that 10:19 I still remember the time a peaceful one dug into Ludios early in my Evil 'career' 10:19 yes but it's still funny 10:19 never said it wasn't 10:19 wouldn't remember it so fondly otherwise 10:20 heh I didn't say that 10:20 just indicating I already knew 10:20 BoH 10:21 it mostly depends on your own level 10:21 not on the specific role 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:57845 (11:16:51) 10:22 ah, of course, bullwhip... 10:23 ic 10:24 this is getting awkward 10:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:20500 (4:24:15) 10:27 saving grace: he does not seem interested in picking up yanked weapons 10:28 so I can retrieve with a little shuffle 10:28 "everybody do the dinosaur" 10:30 ...aaand as I say that he is now wielding angelslayer 10:31 I don't think he has a BoH either... 10:31 he's doing the dinosaur 10:31 and about to make you extinct 10:31 unless he prefers putting things in an oilskin sack 10:31 lol Umbire 10:32 phew, killed 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:20883 (4:30:40) 10:37 I don't know if I'm really unlucky with player monsters not dropping BoH, or if this was heavily nerfed 10:37 npc boh odds were lowered several versions ago 10:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:23491 (6:30:59) 10:38 so prob just unlucky vs what you're used to 10:38 yeah when you are below level 20 they have less interesting stuff 10:39 but I thought chances were much much better after that 10:40 feels weird that they drop lots of high value magical armor but seldom a BoH 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:21436 (4:39:20) 10:44 its because npc's sometimes blow up their boh too :) 10:46 lol 10:46 the immersion 10:46 (bbl) 10:50 Speaking of... 10:51 K2, you mentioned the druid was the last role you were considering for a while - same for playable races? 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:22618 (4:58:15) 11:20 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 205346 points, T:24741, killed by a rock troll, while unconscious from rotten food 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Robert the Lifer, on T:60984 (12:27:39) 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:66011 (13:34:09) 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:66084 (13:34:40) 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:66322 (13:36:39) 11:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) genocided beholders, on T:66347 (13:37:27) 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:66603 (13:41:01) 11:44 hmmm, sleep into fireball spam could unironically be viable for Kaen thinking of it, but still relies on to-hit 11:44 suppose that's what the boulder fort's for 11:48 You sit on the opulent throne. You feel very comfortable here. 11:50 The door closes. You see a door open. 11:50 The door closes. You see a door open. 11:50 The door closes. You see a door open. 11:50 The door closes. You see a door open. 11:50 The door closes. 11:50 The door locks! 11:50 confounded owlbear 11:51 and then I get lmao'd by the third mine 11:51 suppose my luck had to go somewhere 12:03 two mines now, odds for november ain't lookin' good... 12:05 Umbire yeah i have no plans for additional races 12:06 What do you think the sweet spot of playable races is or "should" be 12:06 For a given variant 12:07 there is no good answer that would cover all variants 12:07 i can point you to what *not* to do (points at slex) 12:08 I suppose a better answer would be this - for a given role and race, what sets it apart from the others in meaningful ways? if you cant answer that for then maybe it shouldnt be included 12:09 I mean that's a given re: SLEX but even it has the occasional good idea here and there 12:09 i could add more races to evilhack, but i dont see the point 12:09 shame you'd have to go through all that diving 12:09 hmmm 12:10 for roles, convict and infidel are definitely different than anything else 12:10 and we'll make sure druid is too 12:10 was gonna ask about roles next 12:10 and yeah, wouldn't expect any less 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:560 (0:03:57) 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:63514 (13:06:38) 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:775 (0:06:25) 12:14 three mines now, come on 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:68773 (14:12:57) 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una), 1646 points, T:1181, killed by Gollum 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Dro Mal Una), 198 points, T:504, killed by an acidic corpse 12:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1282 (0:08:07) 12:29 Krull the Slayer - no BoH 12:32 Barbarian, yes? 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:69767 (14:30:03) 12:33 yeah 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 2607 points, T:2319, killed by handling a pick-axe that was made of iron 12:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide cloak of displacement", on T:70584 (14:45:59) 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:70968 (14:59:09) 13:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:71179 (15:03:33) 13:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:71462 (15:09:00) 13:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Dispater, on T:71463 (15:09:14) 13:14 damn, look at Splunge go! three demon lords in 500 turns 13:23 hax 13:23 ... HAX 13:23 \o/ 13:23 he prob has mobileuser's extra boh too 13:25 GIMME 13:26 for the first time in ages I've read a scroll of light. damn drows! 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Kevkat (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 426 points, T:867, killed by a large mimic 13:26 ooh Nukla the Physician 13:27 I still need a stethoscope 13:27 heh 13:27 GIMME 13:28 hostile? 13:28 yeah 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 345 points, T:1034, killed by a garter snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:36 a bone stethoscope 13:36 but no BoH :-( 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:71913 (15:18:55) 13:38 next Flumbin the Patriarch 13:38 priests are nasty... 13:44 ....aaand no BoH 13:44 I'll just keep on complaining until I get one :-P 13:45 Surely the game is obligated to listen 13:48 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Cav Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a Kop Lieutenant, on T:14326 (3:31:48) 13:49 god I have 5 fucking cancel wands now 13:50 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:72728 (15:33:27) 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:72729 (15:33:34) 14:03 LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO 14:03 my brain is so huge 14:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:62982 (1 day, 6:17:18) 14:37 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 14:51 Ploqwat the Explorer 14:52 no BoH :-( 14:52 That's how many now? 15:01 I've lost count 15:01 Vrebog the Rover, peaceful 15:01 one for you, Dagul 15:03 no BoH :-( 15:03 but a wand of death! 15:03 No hammer yet? 15:04 and 12 silver sling bullets 15:04 no, I'll part ways with Dagul when the altar camping is done 15:04 still some artifacts I want 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:262 (0:01:55) 15:10 icic 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Inf Elf Mal Una), 1000 points, T:1368, killed by Ms. Tefenni; the shopkeeper 15:18 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:65355 (1 day, 7:00:01) 15:19 you get Trollsbane yet? 15:19 yeah, time for a forging break! 15:20 nice 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 606 points, T:996, killed by the Goblin King 15:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:65696 (1 day, 7:10:28) 15:31 and now the dishes (IRL) 15:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1674 points, T:2458, killed by the Goblin King 15:43 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven cloak entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:68024 (15:14:09) 15:45 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a silver saber entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:68341 (15:16:38) 15:48 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +3 gray dragon scales", on T:7093 (1:19:01) 15:52 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:68768 (15:22:57) 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 6114 points, T:8165, killed by a dwarf lady 15:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 456 points, T:1372, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 163292 points, T:25477, killed by a blue dragon 16:17 mobileuser I did dishes already. twice today 16:18 MIL is here 16:18 ah, strength! 16:18 4 times total since they arrived friday night 16:18 and probably again later tonight 16:18 ... yay 16:22 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had a mace bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:66554 (1 day, 7:21:44) 16:23 hey, no Dramborleg... 16:24 does that mean it already exists somewhere? 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21278 (3:55:05) 16:27 could be in Ludios somewhere 16:27 iirc soldiers can't generate with artifacts 16:27 could be a death drop/random gen though 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 676 points, T:1280, killed by the Goblin King 16:35 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:00 I can't seem to combine these two stacks of dagger :( 17:00 I read blessed magic detection and neither has an obj prop. 17:01 They they same BUC and enchant and material. 17:02 is there an issue with combining similar items atm? 17:03 -!- UnFortuneCookie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03 is one of them proofed? 17:04 they're both mithril 17:04 fully identified 17:08 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:08 that's weird, because there was a fix by terrapin so that inherently proofed materials couldn't get an extra proofed status 17:09 maybe that's it? 17:09 but the fix is live 17:09 I'm holding onto my precious enchant weapon scrolls until I figure out why they won't stack. 17:10 anyone got a sec to put a second pair of eyes on my game? 17:10 in case I'm being dumb like yesterday where I thought I was a knight and kept same race sac'ing :P 17:11 v) 3 blessed +0 mithril daggers 17:11 y) 3 blessed +0 mithril daggers 17:11 sorry, nearly bedtime for me 17:12 a90c170a8a6656559c4eb521c68821f8e6102940, branch: 0.8.3 17:13 in case K2 reads this backscroll 17:23 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:23 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:30 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 17:33 -!- UnFortuneCookie has joined #evilhack 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:71964 (15:48:04) 17:43 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:54 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:58 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a mithril dwarvish short sword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:74250 (16:05:31) 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 69207 points, T:25620, killed by an air elemental, while praying 18:47 problem solved! 18:54 ~. 19:10 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:12 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 19:27 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:30 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:79317 (16:53:35) 19:36 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:80024 (16:59:06) 19:42 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven cloak entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:80790 (17:05:33) 19:56 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:82488 (17:18:40) 20:24 [hdf-us] [evil] splunger (Hea Hob Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:66628 (10:58:44) 20:31 [hdf-us] [evil] splunger (Hea Hob Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:66749 (11:05:56) 20:44 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:85522 (18:06:56) 20:49 !lastgame bouquet 20:49 terrapin: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1706247077.evil.html 20:50 ugh. yeah, probably a fooproof issue 20:55 [hdf-us] [evil] splunger (Hea Hob Mal Neu) had an orcish dagger bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:67549 (11:29:24) 20:56 bug or something else d'ya think? 20:56 and has anyone else seen this stacking issue? 20:57 it has happened several times before and fooproofing was definitely one cause of it 20:58 your version happened after my commit, so either I missed something or there's some new issue 20:58 regardless, it's almost certainly some kind of bug 20:59 cool, so long as it's on the radar! 20:59 I solved the issue by dying :) 21:00 thanks for putting it on the radar! 21:00 hopefully you won't have to resort to such drastic solutions next game 21:16 bouquet: when you say they were fully identified, does that mean that neither stack showed up when you filtered inventory with 'I'? 21:21 -- that stacking issue has been reported before; one possible source is invisible fooproofing for intrinsically fooproof materials 21:23 i addressed that and am 95% sure there are no loopholes 21:24 however, currently whether or not you know a supermaterial's fooproofed status is still tracked, despite it being invisible and moot. so, if one of the stacks was only mostly identified, they would not merge. but, if bouquet did fully ID both, there's another issue 21:49 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:86489 (19:11:40) 21:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:73690 (16:22:15) 21:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:73692 (16:22:16) 21:52 I used blessed ID and blessed magic detection on both. They still wouldn't stack. 21:53 I posted the cut/paste upscroll. Bother displayed as "3 blessed +0 mithril daggers" 21:54 not sure if K2 can yoink a copy of the game file to test. The only time I've noticed this behavior before is with uncursed scrolls of scare monster not stacking, but assumed there was a special reason for that. 21:55 hmm, okay. thanks! 21:56 yeah uncursed ?oSMs can be used once before disintegrating, so they separate into stacks of never-used and used-once 21:56 (tracked internally as +0 and +1) 21:56 fo sho 22:17 -!- arahael_ has joined #evilhack 22:24 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Con Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "cursed magic marker", on T:87384 (19:47:12) 22:39 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had an axe entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:88755 (1 day, 20:40:15) 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] splunginator (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1507 points, T:2657, killed by a piranha 23:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a silver shield of light entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:88900 (1 day, 21:02:33) 23:09 -!- arahael_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:42 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3404 (0:21:30) 23:49 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest6677 23:49 -!- Guest6677 has quit [Killed (tungsten.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 23:49 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 23:50 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 2498 points, T:4159, killed by a hill orc 23:50 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack