00:30 so slimes and wood golems get incinerated when hit with fiery weapons---should they also go up in flames when hit with fireballs? how about wands of fire/basic fireball spells? 01:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3458 (0:37:49) 01:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4160 (0:47:30) 01:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a goblin outrider, on T:4437 (0:53:58) 02:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7790 points, T:4980, killed by trying to drink molten lava 02:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:740 (0:07:13) 02:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 625 points, T:865, killed by dipping a worn object into a forge 02:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 452 points, T:1297, killed by a wererat 02:58 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:06 This pancake is delicious!  You can move again. 03:06 hmmm 03:12 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:22 got hit by a sleeping potion earlier, but I could still move around even though I have only partial sleep resistance 03:23 then came the "You can move again" message 03:23 ^ K2 FYI 03:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3669 points, T:2003, killed by a drow raider 03:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 98 points, T:80, killed by a fox 03:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 252 points, T:539, killed by Ms. Aklavik; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 03:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1037 (0:06:55) 03:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3696 points, T:2238, killed by a panther 03:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 676 points, T:818, killed by a giant bat 03:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:25181 (11:01:02) 04:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2309 points, T:1817, killed by a wolf 04:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2398 points, T:2495, killed by a dwarf zombie 04:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:873 (0:02:31) 04:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1052 (0:04:08) 04:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2658 points, T:2079, killed by a gnome lord 04:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Anu, on T:25771 (11:20:51) 05:23 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:27688 (12:31:28) 06:19 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:23 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 06:26 -!- tinklebear has left #evilhack 06:59 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:28785 (12:54:59) 07:07 man the oracle cant catch a break 07:07 is this just people desperate for slotless warning? 07:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) had a bone dagger entrusted to him by Anu, on T:29482 (13:08:16) 07:19 krm26 yes :-) 07:19 who can resist free slotless warning 07:21 I wish the gods could reward you with a tool now and then, 0 bags after nearly 30.000 turns 07:21 30k! that is still super-early game for me :-) 07:22 finally found a stethoscope after 60k turns 07:23 nice! I'll just have to be patient for 30.000 more turns 07:24 btw haven't been altar camping a lot yet, that makes a big difference for turn count 07:25 got crowned on first prayer with max luck, didn't even have to camp for that 07:25 i always forget to bother to get crowned 07:26 I like to crown early for the (nearly) complete set of resistances + see invisible 07:26 guess i should grab my vorpal blade 07:26 yeah, plus for some roles the weapon 07:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to her by Crom, on T:64257 (19:47:25) 07:28 dammit i was just offering to see if my timeout was gone 07:29 booo speed boots 07:29 stupid speed boots 07:29 no no good crom 07:29 BUT 07:29 BOO 07:29 i dont have an efficient way of checking to see if i can pray again 07:30 i blame mobileuser, he is making me crown 07:30 hehehe 07:30 :P 07:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (erbium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 07:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:31 THOU SHALT BE CROWNED 07:31 is there some cool technique im missing 07:31 no, unfortunately not 07:31 maybe feeding my dogs will reconcile me, gonna go try that 07:32 you have secespita? 07:32 that at least helps 07:34 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +2 mithril shield of reflection", on T:29950 (13:30:20) 07:38 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:39 yay smoky wish 07:39 back to stash for another smoky object det... 07:42 mithril is sooo heavy tho 07:42 whut?! 07:42 paper 07:42 rofl 07:43 I mean not really? 07:43 not really 07:43 it's only slightly heavier than bone 07:43 im entirely not really 07:43 cloud of smoke = guaranteed ready to pray right? 07:45 No? 07:46 That's just sacrifice flavor based on alignment 07:46 flash of light = lawful, cloud of smoke = neutral, burst of flame = chaotic 07:49 krm26 you are good to pray 07:50 as long as you don't get that hopeful feeling 07:50 ^ 07:50 ive never had a hopeful feeling 07:50 then your timeout was very short 07:51 I just found Ludios and guess what 07:51 it has the friendly centaurs locked in cages 07:52 how many cancellations did you role 07:52 oh I'm not going in there yet 07:52 level 11 07:52 still much else to explore 07:53 early ludios can be very rewarding, but not so much that one :-P 07:53 yeah my thoughts exactly 07:53 many people have splatted there 07:53 the centaur one I mean 07:56 the critical info is what dragons did you get 07:56 mine gave me black white sea yellow, and i got 50% disint and yellow scales out of it, so pretty good 07:58 glass golems (and to a slightly lesser extent stone golems) are way too crapy for their warning number 07:58 they should vitrify and petrify you respectively k2 07:58 "You are turning to glass." 08:02 Doesn't seem that much more interesting tbh 08:03 krm26 I'm playing a giant 08:03 so less interest in dragons 08:04 the most important thing they give you is disintegration resistance through consumption 08:04 yeah, got my tinning kit and shield of reflection ready 08:05 at the moment, killing one would be a bit of a challenge, got 1 wand of cold 08:06 bouders 08:06 ^l 08:06 they dont disintegrate 08:07 ooh 08:07 nice tip 08:07 I see yet another hobbit pickpocket, will that one finally have a sack... 08:07 nope 08:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became Crom's Envoy of Balance, on T:66345 (20:29:00) 08:10 there we go 08:12 \o/ 08:13 now i dont have to poke kathryn with frost brand 08:15 what do you do about the penalty for killing the oracle mobileuser? did you use a pet? 08:19 yeah used a pet 08:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gia Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:31441 (14:19:06) 09:03 still no bag after polypiling, but at least I have slow digestion now 09:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:46 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:51 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 245 points, T:542, killed by the Goblin King 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:869 (0:01:27) 10:06 I think our problem with bad loot is the full moon. 10:06 I've got nothing so far. Found 1 container in 10 dlevels 10:07 aah that's why I still have no bag :-) 10:07 3 more days 10:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Sam Gia Mal Law), 55210 points, T:21428, killed by a cave lizard 10:10 ...doesn't full moon raise luck? 10:12 bad loot, not luck 10:12 I don't see what the moon has to do with that. 10:13 it was a joke 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:69299 (21:13:33) 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:69449 (21:16:02) 11:00 DONT BAG THAT 11:00 dont you dare do it fingers 11:00 omigod that was close 11:02 #1 reason to keep magicbane +0 right there 11:10 ? its enchantment doesnt have anything to do with blowing up bags, does it? 11:10 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 11:11 it does 11:11 if it's +0 or negative, it wont blow up a boh 11:11 +1 or greater, 10% chance 11:11 I thought that was wands only 11:12 doesn't make sense? magicbane's cancellation chances are greater at lower enchantment in melee 11:12 well THANK YOU terrapin, i had no idea. into the bag of holding it goes 11:12 if it is negative does it duplicate your bag for you! 11:12 mobileuser its special attack chances are greatest at +2 enchantment 11:13 not just cancellation 11:13 right 11:13 and get less when greater than +2 11:15 so magicbane should only be safe to put in a BoH at >+5? that would make some amount of sense 11:16 no 11:17 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/d6bb321af7c8a70297911ddd16f1cc8dcc0689e2 11:17 that's the initial commit, with reasoning 11:17 the odds were dropped from 1 in 3 to 1 in 10 11:17 and it has to be at least +1 enchantment 11:19 hmm, thanks to a grayswandir bones and a secespita bones, i just need to finesse stormbringer to make every forged artifact 11:20 has anybody ragequit yet after forging the armor of retribution and then having tiamat drop scales? 11:20 or will that be me 11:37 lol 11:37 what a silly reason to rage quit 11:40 "Your Ogresmasher passes harmlessly through Jay's ghost.... You smash Jay's ghost backwards!" <- this seems off 11:41 hah oops 11:48 It caught on Jay's ghost's underpants, which for some reason are tangible 11:50 making magicbane explode the bag would be great if evil (and now vanilla?) didn't nerf the whole bag exploding thing... And this is coming from someone who has exploded his bag with magicbane more than once 11:50 i wouldnt call it a nerf, so much as a change 11:50 it still explodes rebatela. and with enough force it can kill you 11:51 any change I like is a buff, any change I don't like is a nerf 11:53 K2, don't forget the loss of all your alchemy work at barest minimum 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a bone spear entrusted to her by Crom, on T:70965 (22:08:50) 11:53 i didnt 11:54 Is there a prompt? That's what you really need. "Are you sure you want to make a mistake? " 11:54 and here we go 11:55 heh. no i'm done 11:56 honestly, imo, it wouldnt hurt the game at all to have some "first time idiot" confirmation prompts. the first time in a game you try to step in water or lava, ask if you're sure; the 2nd time, you are on your own. etc. 11:56 thinking of the unspoiled newbies 11:56 well that might happen now.. Your opinions are taken seriously 11:57 no, apparently "deletes your save file at minimum or nothing" is the lens we're viewing this through 11:57 (as opposed to a permanent paranoid water option for that example) 11:57 umbire: what? 12:01 this goes back a long long time for me. I'm not picking on k2 or any current "players". I loved when variants came out to address all these "interface screws". It started to suck when the super hard game took the ideas on 12:03 krm26, not going to happen. not adding anymore 'paranoid' options 12:03 There is no skill in playing fast anymore. It's been taken away from the game and the ascii lava is mere decoration. 12:03 done yelling at clouds... gonna play 12:03 happy thursday yall 12:04 can someone please help me with where the trap door is here? 12:04 no k2, what i was talking about would actually be a nerf, removing the paranoid options 12:05 but just nattering 12:05 on the goblin king lvl 12:05 You mean the options you already don't have to turn on to begin with? 12:05 look at my game please! US 12:05 oh i see 12:05 if you haven't found it it is behind some iron bars with no doors 12:05 looking 12:05 actually that was my idea for paranoid water/lava, changing it to a '3 strikes and you're out' 12:05 rebatela, it is in the middle bars room 12:05 blow apart the bars with striking 12:05 brb 12:05 umbire: oh ok... so we won't use the same options yet keep track of a scoreboard comparing times... 12:06 thx krm26 12:07 would make sense for paranoid options to be reported conducts 12:07 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L44 12:07 maybe it doesn't matter if you don't give a shit about realtime speeds but why even measure it and have a scoreboard when you have completely changed the game imo 12:07 ^ i added that a few montha go 12:07 *months 12:07 cool. i think i remember talking about the same thing with you last year when paranoid made it in 12:08 probably 12:08 did you see my irritating suggestion about allowing zombies to pick up mummy wrappings and put them on, turning into mummies? 12:08 yes, I ignored it :) 12:08 zombies and mummies are fairly distinct, the former are much less well-preserved 12:09 i will repeat it one more time (3 times and done!) 12:09 im just like paranoid lava 12:09 we'll be back here in a month, don't kid yourself 12:10 we're rewatching 'big bang theory', we're on season six. a few episodes ago, the group was having a discussion/argument about how zombies arent mummies 12:11 oh i'm so sorry umbire... I've actually played this game for the past 35 fucking years. I'm a total asshole for having an opinion about a game i actually play 12:11 cya in a month 12:12 I'm pretty certain that's not how seniority works at all, but sure. 12:12 be sure to write about it in your nethack history of people who actually play the game that some people think it's fucked up that something so major like that changed 12:12 There's "having an opinion" and "finding a way to derail every other conversation into that opinion". It's tiring. 12:12 any arguments, take it to a private chat or something please 12:13 derail the conversation? sorry I was late to the party but y'all were talking about bags exploding 12:13 have a good day 12:13 wait wait are we bragging about how old we are! i missed it! i am very very old! 12:14 where's hothraxxa 12:14 the ancients need representation 12:14 that poser -- i think some of those years are made up. 1967 is VERY suspicious 12:15 heh 12:16 are the people who got it changed ascending all of a sudden? It's people who don't even play evilhack obviously... No one wants their variant they made to be the baby nethack to be known as the baby nethack so k2 gave in to paranoid water/lava 12:16 i think of some particularly unexpected and cruel nethack deaths as equivalent to hazing (an eternal practice, St Augustine wrote about it in the Confessions) 12:17 that's what drives me crazy... xnethack already exists... Other variants that "solve" the "interface screws" exist... 12:17 why water it all down ? 12:17 xNetHack also includes much harder Gehennom and much harder demon princes. You're tilting at windmills that literally do not exist, and repeatedly at that. 12:18 Hell, I'm pretty sure the xnh incarnations of Geryon and Dispater in particular are like, legendarily annoying at best. 12:18 oh cool! 12:18 i must admit i'm never sure exactly what you guys are arguing about 12:18 apparently umbire got to gehennomn in xnh 12:18 badass 12:19 play that 12:19 cant we all just agree that there cant be anything wrong with a variant that contains the ring of p'hul 12:19 And this is the part where clear statements get misinterpreted to grind axes, obviously. 12:20 can you make a sentence without some goddamn cliche? grinding axes to tilt at the windmill? what the fuck are you talking about ? 12:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:20 Something something "skill issue". 12:20 Anyway. 12:21 what part of 'any arguments, take it to a private chat or something please' did you guys not understand? 12:22 It's literally every month with this inane angle, like I said. But I'll drop it. 12:22 #quixotehack 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide jumping boots", on T:71699 (16:10:37) 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of steel gauntlets of power entrusted to her by Crom, on T:73066 (22:42:47) 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:71714 (16:11:54) 12:29 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Set, on T:71949 (16:18:53) 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:72246 (16:21:57) 12:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3922 (1:16:07) 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:75341 (23:11:09) 13:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:76264 (23:20:12) 13:08 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 5 commits to shinies [+0/-0/±9] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/01efabd7fbb7^...e7cf6661b36f 13:08 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 01efabd - Update changelog 13:08 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 4cdc134 - Fix: immolation when especially flammable monsters are hit with fiery weapons 13:08 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 3285360 - Fix: messaging when hit by fiery weapons underwater 13:08 [EvilHack] ... and 2 more commits. 13:08 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin created branch shinies - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack 13:15 i love filling up the barbarian quest with TOOTTOTTOOOOOTTOT 13:16 hahah 13:16 TOOT 13:16 the way the level is built you can altar camp in the NE and the SW just totally fills up 13:17 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:17 OTTO TOOT. TOT TOOT TOO. TOTO TO TOOT. 13:17 It's a good time. 13:17 wonderfully expressive pair of letters 13:17 it always exposes a pathfinding weirdness 13:18 where a monster that bounces off of another in front of it decides to just go the other direction for a looong time 13:18 instead of just waiting its turn 13:18 TATER TOTS 13:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a mithril battle-axe entrusted to her by Crom, on T:77269 (23:32:07) 13:19 that's a nice gift! too bad that's 77k turns in and not 700 13:20 cant complain, crom has actually been pretty forthcoming this game 13:20 even the glass helm of speed lasted a while 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7139 points, T:5753, killed by an Uruk-hai called Aotha of Rukaigorog 13:21 and ive actually FOUND dragonhide water walking and jumping, which is crazy luck 13:21 You usually find a way to complain anyway 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:77385 (23:34:58) 13:22 goddamit it what is with all the good luck in this game! dkjfjfdglkjg 13:22 Umbire please tell me you're goofing around with krm26 13:22 I am. 13:22 ok 13:22 Just like I was last time. 13:22 the universal sign for sarcasm is :P 13:23 or /s 13:23 umbire is just a misspelling of umbrage 13:23 Not in my country, pal 13:23 Quips aside, I'm gonna fiddle with Spork like I said - found an rcfile on my conduct alt that I borrowed from you 13:23 the umbire hulk gazes at you. you feel judged! 13:23 heheha 13:23 (/s) 13:24 https://media.tenor.com/5WkHcJPyhBQAAAAM/tbbt-sarcasm.gif 13:24 Which reminds me, is it possible to set autopickup per objclass or s/t? 13:25 i have 40 years of training to never be upset by text. always read it with the most favorable intent 13:25 yes, umbire 13:25 third page of options 13:25 p 13:25 i think 13:25 coo 13:25 yeah, p, pickup_types 13:26 and OPTIONS=pickup_types:$?!/=" in the rc file 13:27 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 13:27 which brings up a usability something k2 :-) in order to pick up thrown/shot ammo (almost always desirable) you need autopickup on. but if all pickup_types are cleared, it wont pick up ammo 13:27 so you have to pick up like amulets or gold or something to keep picking up ammo 13:28 which is actually more than just a convenience problem since it involves rounds spent picking up or picking up things that might overload you 13:28 evilhack uses the same pickup rules/code as vanilla 13:28 right, but it SHOULD still pick up ammo if autopickup is on but all types are disabled 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:73669 (17:22:03) 13:39 Doesn't seem to be obeying the pickup types I've set. 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:73826 (17:27:18) 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:73827 (17:27:23) 13:45 ...huh. Throne floor 1. 13:47 do it! do it! 13:47 an audience of grid bugs would be funny 13:49 No. 13:49 you are gonna be responsible and wait for high luck? 13:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:73903 (17:33:41) 13:53 o an orc (peaceful Wonotobo the orc-captain) [seen: normal vision, infravision] 13:53 Fascinating. 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:74091 (17:46:05) 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:74092 (17:46:08) 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:74158 (17:52:33) 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:74184 (17:53:07) 14:10 ...warning 5 monster in the early Mines. 14:10 That's worrying. 14:10 Oh, a ghost. 14:11 Didn't seem any different from the usual ghosts. 14:11 Oh neat, skulls are left separate from the corpses... somehow. 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20745 (4:34:32) 14:15 K2, Spork's based on 3.4.3, right? 14:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed Saint Michael, on T:74310 (18:02:19) 14:30 Umbire yes 14:38 Ooh, Spork has incremental resistances 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:75109 (18:24:01) 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:75231 (18:27:28) 14:44 Infidel hiding in a vault 14:44 at least they will have a bag! 14:44 BAG 14:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an ettin, on T:22986 (5:04:30) 14:48 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:75348 (18:32:11) 14:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:75351 (18:32:56) 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:75498 (18:38:18) 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:75499 (18:38:37) 14:58 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:75570 (18:44:21) 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the saddled Black Horse, on T:75578 (18:44:46) 15:01 Watch is a lot ruder for sure 15:04 Seems like shops just don't take projectiles, which is mildly annoying 15:06 Shrigis is having to work hard on astral 15:07 needs the last altar and resources are dwindling 15:07 tuning in 15:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:75644 (18:51:39) 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha) killed the White Horse, on T:75645 (18:51:57) 15:09 nearly there and he has life saving 15:09 HOME 15:11 So the shopkeeps can literally just be whatever monsters, it looks like 15:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 7956360 points, T:75669, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Shrigis/evilhack/dumplog/1705691561.evil.html 15:11 Actually kinda fun 15:11 grats person not in this channel! 15:12 oooh, the short top 2000 list he got is all me except for one disruptor :-) 15:12 heh 15:14 @e?centaur 15:14 centaur (C) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: special | AC: 4 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical, 1d6 kick physical | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a leather studded armor entrusted to her by Crom, on T:78928 (1 day, 0:14:58) 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Crom, on T:79484 (1 day, 0:21:56) 15:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:80683 (1 day, 0:35:44) 15:45 hmmm to dichotomy or not to dichotomy 15:45 the sword's name should be dilemma 15:46 I like being able to have potions and scrolls in inventory with dichotomy 15:47 what about blowing up your poor pets tho 15:47 or drowning yourself on ice 15:48 yeah, gotta have flying first 15:49 by the time I can make dichotomy, my pets are usually already dead and I can fly :-) 15:49 yeah my game is parsimonious 15:49 honestly if you wanna call something babyeasyhack and have a basis, spork has been annoyingly tranquil thus far 15:50 no flight, only lev a pair of -3 boots....think i'll fire brand kathryn before doing anything 15:50 You try sink kicking yet? 15:50 you know, i never kick sinks 15:51 About time to start then. 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:82455 (1 day, 1:07:23) 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:8780 (1:09:42) 16:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:4505 (0:22:09) 16:31 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:36 when a pet dragon dies, it never leaves scales, right? 16:36 I'm pretty sure it can? 16:37 hmm 16:37 what happens with dragons/unicorns that drop a body part and then get raised with a wand after you've taken that body part away? 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9918 (1:26:43) 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping 15 wooden crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:7058 (0:36:37) 16:44 regrown, with a reduced chance of dropping scales/horn 16:44 -!- mariari has joined #evilhack 16:46 Dunno if K2 changed any of that, kinda doubt it but I've been wrong before 16:46 no that sounds right 16:47 i kinda want to be able to drop a unihorn on a warhorse corpse and resurrect it as a unicorn :-) 16:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1957 (0:12:33) 16:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:8559 (0:44:47) 16:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 12948 points, T:8825, killed by a plains centaur 16:53 tame pets will not drop scales, but ones that have gone feral will 16:54 I see 16:54 Figured I was missing something like that 16:55 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:02 Last floor of soko's a good stopping point - making dinner for someone and then doing a bit of documenting 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una), 5144 points, T:4214, killed by a plains centaur 17:15 @e?tortle 17:15 tortle (:) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 10 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: special | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical | Align: 3 | omnivore, swims, amphibious, thick hide, nopoly, infravis 17:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:883 (0:05:09) 17:24 -!- Elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:26 ab 17:26 ab 17:28 ton of backscroll. I kind of want to stop reading ALL the logs but I miss out on so much if I do 17:30 I think the ‘x strikes and you’re out’ paranoid confirm idea is lame, but I don’t have much of a horse in that proverbial race 17:34 I don't much like it either myself 17:42 idk, it maybe it’s interesting. I’m a bit of a hater 17:42 *-it 17:44 -!- log has joined #evilhack 17:44 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:44 -!- log is now known as Loggers_VIII 17:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3683 (0:30:30) 17:50 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:24144 (5:27:45) 17:55 -!- Elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:513 (0:05:09) 18:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 212 points, T:642, killed by a sewer rat, while reading a book 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una), 5896 points, T:5218, killed by a death ray 18:07 lol @ xnethack being called the baby nethack 18:09 I'm saying, clearly hasn't been around to hear Loggers_VIII complain about this or that revamped demon lord 18:09 in fact I think that's what made me specify Geryon in particular 18:21 [hdf-us] [evil] mitsilvan (Kni Cen Mal Cha) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Pawn, on T:10412 (1:30:20) 18:22 tbf I haven't been around to hear Loggers_VIII complain about it either 18:22 You haven't been around in general is why 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2138 (0:15:58) 18:25 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:31 xnethack has some nasty guys 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3110 (0:22:48) 18:31 asmodeus, dispater, demogorgon, orcus, yeenoghu, all very mean 18:32 baalzebub is probably the weakest one. but he has a cool ability with the flies so I don't mind 18:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1820 points, T:2241, killed by a vrock 18:36 Yeenoghu has a deceptively simple one, he just constantly disarms you 18:37 yes, I had the joy of playing against that with a character whose only ranged option was magic missile 18:38 10 million power magic missile, notably. that pw cost change can be a big hit for some roles 18:39 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 3 commits to shinies [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/e7cf6661b36f...a05533128a96 18:39 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 9fb08bd - Fix: looting lit armor from pets makes it stop shining 18:39 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin a278701 - Fix: monsters wouldn't wield Sunsword/HotG if you were drow 18:39 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin a055331 - Fix: only cause light damage when sources begin burning near you 18:39 ahh, shinies. for some reason when I saw that initially I though of loot 18:40 currently it contains commits relating to fire&light. I may add some thievery commits later :) 18:41 It reminded me to revisit my "shiny encounters" idea 18:41 do tell 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to her by Odin, on T:837 (0:05:29) 18:49 what, like pokemon? 18:51 Aye 18:51 Though less "super cool low-odds cosmetic difference" and more "optional superboss-type challenge" 18:51 Though they might also look cool idk 18:52 sick 18:55 somewhat related, for whatever reason I kind of wish there was a unique that's just a big dumb animal that hits hard 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:5058 (0:46:54) 18:55 abominable snowman? 18:55 like a tarrasque or something. I don't know why. everything points to it being boring and lame. 18:56 ah, true 18:58 Jumbo :B 18:58 I guess a weird part of nethack is that it's not that good at providing a sense of scale, as far as monsters go 18:59 you can be TOLD something is gigantic, but at the end of the day it's just a letter occupying one tile :P 18:59 jumbo is from slashem, right? 18:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Gollum, on T:5264 (0:50:47) 19:00 baphomet 19:00 elder minotaur 19:00 woolly mammoth 19:00 ^ big dumb that hits hard 19:01 baphomet casts spells he doesn't count! 19:01 woolly mammoth admittedly does please my weird caveman brain in the big dumb hit hard aspect, you got me there 19:03 do elder minotaurs spawn randomly? I feel like I only see the one at vecna's 19:06 they can spawn in gehennom 19:08 ah. makes sense, I usually shut off my brain for gehennom filler levels 19:15 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 1 commit to shinies [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/a05533128a96...31fa8ba8d99e 19:15 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 31fa8ba - Fix: convicts shouldn't feel guilty about stealing 19:25 -!- aosdict has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:25 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 8996 points, T:7744, killed by a bolt of lightning 20:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una), 20172 points, T:10416, killed by a fire ant, while sleeping 20:43 lmao I forgot aosdict made cursed gold clingy 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una), 556 points, T:2027, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 21:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:945 (0:05:49) 21:35 goblin king had a wand of lightning. "Literally unplayable" 21:36 might do that crazy drow thief thing. Fun stealing from people. 21:37 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 12 points, T:117, killed by a goblin 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una), 2278 points, T:2302, killed by a bolt of cold 21:41 i was wiztesting some drow earlier and realized i'd forgotten how totally awesome they are 21:47 massively OP 21:47 by the time I got thievery maxed I was stripping opponents naked before they could get a hit in. 21:47 works great on those player monsters that have buffed armor and -40 AC 21:48 HAX 21:48 oh noes, the boss is here! 21:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una), 522 points, T:807, killed by a large spider 21:50 they do have nice synergy with rogue. but they're also just super fun 21:51 oh, speaking of thievery, i noticed that some auxiliary attacks still trigger (e.g. illithid convict) 21:52 i have a proposal: disable auxiliary attacks (including monk kicks, etc.) when forcefighting, and remove the automatic suppression vs. 'c's and black dragons and such 21:52 the automatic suppression is both confusing and fairly handhold-y, as things go 21:53 not that i'm personally against handholding necessarily, but it seems out of line with the rest of evilhack's stance on the matter 21:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1315 points, T:1848, killed by a hill orc 21:53 "massively OP" :P 21:54 MASSIVE 21:54 YUGE 21:54 I always just faff around after an ascension before I get serious about playing again. 21:55 ok so if I understand this correctly 21:55 auto suppression goes away 21:55 because you're purposely forcefighting 21:56 so if you F-attack a cockatrice as an illithid would you attempt a tentacle attack? 21:56 K2 yes. bouquet no. 21:56 makes sense 21:56 the idea is the extra attacks don't prevent you from attacking in melee, but they do require extra care, just like in vanilla 21:57 and as a handy side effect they fix the thievery behavior 21:57 sounds good 21:58 neat! i'll code something up then 22:00 Sounds smart, yeah 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1596 (0:11:10) 22:13 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:1918 (1:28:48) 22:16 what needs fixing with thievery? 22:17 illithids will eat brains when stealing 22:17 delicious 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1886 (0:11:37) 22:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4322 (0:28:45) 22:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Inf Ith Mal Una), 6048 points, T:6535, killed by an earth elemental of Raijin