00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:57979 (18:13:10) 00:04 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:61061 (13:39:31) 00:37 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 00:43 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Con Dro Fem Cha), 2583 points, T:4542, killed by a giant ant, while praying 00:44 -!- tau_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9850 (1:42:51) 00:54 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:63904 (2 days, 11:31:23) 00:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:57 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 01:09 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:11905 (2:00:29) 01:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 553 points, T:1450, killed by an arrow 01:28 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:28 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 01:48 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1300 (0:09:30) 02:42 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Pri Gia Mal Law), 128 points, T:527, killed by a gas spore's explosion 02:44 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:48 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 16 points, T:39, killed by a fox 02:58 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 334 points, T:628, killed by Mr. Iskenderun; the shopkeeper 03:03 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 250 points, T:430, killed by a mountain dwarf 03:20 [EvilHack] r3dm4t3 starred EvilHack - https://github.com/r3dm4t3 03:23 [hdf-us] [evil] SludgeGunkman (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 687 points, T:1405, killed by a killer bee 03:45 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:27094 (4:36:31) 03:48 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant mimic, on T:27453 (4:39:33) 03:51 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:64825 (2 days, 12:50:33) 04:15 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:64993 (2 days, 13:15:14) 04:18 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible SludgeGunkman's ghost, the former Novice, on T:2512 (0:51:12) 04:27 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a food ration on an altar, on T:3040 (1:00:04) 04:31 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:65408 (2 days, 13:30:34) 04:37 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Splunge's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:3439 (1:10:14) 04:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:58 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:65846 (2 days, 13:58:07) 06:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2880 (2:24:28) 06:28 urgh, orc town *again* 08:31 that sucks 08:32 oh whoops i'm responding to a post from 2 hours ago lol 08:32 orctown can blow, mobileuser (although it's not nearly as bad as it was) 08:33 my only REAL gripe is if there isn't another temple in the dungeon (hopefully early) 08:33 for buying protection (and killing for robe,books) 08:40 yeah, I don't mind it too much, but for an early character it's a shame to miss out on the shops 08:40 gotta do sokoban first now 08:50 gen. store found, my lamp is magic... 08:50 back to stash for holy water 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Charon, on T:66639 (2 days, 15:16:40) 08:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:5246 (3:46:01) 08:56 always such a relief when you get the wish 09:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5250 (3:49:14) 09:06 dude i never burn my first magic lamp for a silly wish! infinite light baby 09:06 screw that 09:06 i wouldn't call mr (or speed boots like i usually do) "burning" a wish... 09:07 i'd rather play in the dark and be alive 09:08 i just like to make sure i'm wishing for something i'm going to use for most (if not all) of the game and that will help the most in the early game too 09:09 I used to keep the first lamp, but I was persuaded otherwise, better to play in the dark and be alive indeed. Especially since you get an oil lamp out of it and that can last a long time carefully husbanded 09:09 how is a blessed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance a "silly wish" ? 09:09 (sorry mobileuser... I'm going to bat for you here lol) 09:09 heheh 09:10 I think krm26 is partly sarcastic 09:10 i know 09:11 now, naming Sting?!?!? that shit would really piss me off if not for the evilhack wishing rules... 09:11 i'm 72.4% sarcastic, is that partly? 09:11 mainly did that for the 100% chance of cutting webs 09:12 lmao krm26 09:12 krm26 yes :-P 09:12 oh nice 09:12 yeah it really doesn't matter anymore with bones so name away 09:12 keeping the magic lamp is also a valid strat of course 09:12 for sure.. it's not like i haven't done it 09:12 i prioritize infinite light over an mr wish if i'm a giant or tortle or have found poly control 09:13 yeah polycontrol or unchanging can make mr not quite as important 09:14 in this particular case not just MR, could really do with the AC boost too 09:14 i am just way too lazy to search for poly traps 09:14 yeah, i used to lose so many robes back in the day (vanilla) 09:14 they are actually a lot more rare in vanilla too so it could suck 09:15 but i've gotten pretty good at realizing when i'm at Dl 8 and either take the robe off or 's' constantly 09:16 althogh in evil, something can just zap you with a poly wand lol 09:16 do monks get early searching? 09:17 lvl 9 09:17 pretty sure (i should know... ) 09:17 that's the perception message? 09:18 yeah i think it's stealth at 5, search at 9 09:18 You feel perceptive! 09:18 you guys start nerfing that stuff on me, I will never play again lol 09:19 :: k2 hurries to push an update :: 09:19 nah k2 made evilhack monk epic 09:19 shhh 09:20 did you have fun playing that centaur? 09:23 I always try to keep the weaponless conduct, but i love casting spells. I mean, you have asked why i always play monk and that's why. I should play wizard lol, but they are super squishy (at least in vanilla) 09:23 tortle wizard! 09:23 might give it a shot though 09:23 I obviously need to switch it up 09:25 but i've noticed you hardly ever play monk, mobileuser.. I dunno i assume he gave it some love to try to get more people to play it? 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Joshu, on T:10959 (3:42:32) 09:25 Everyone thinks it's easy, but not being able to wear armor when everyone else is getting all this cool stuff they can wear and make and wear is frustrating! 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:66957 (2 days, 15:52:20) 09:26 dude, I ascended a monk 9 days ago XD 09:26 crystal cellestial obsidian nuclear scales with every resistance 09:27 mobileuser: I KINOW!!! 09:27 that's what i was asking! 09:27 was the centaur fun? have never done it 09:27 love centaur 09:28 i meant centaur MONK sorry i didn't make it clear. I was beyond psyched when i saw you playing it 09:28 drawbacks: no shoes, lower int/wis 09:28 yeah ooof 09:28 I'm just doing a round of all the roles again 09:28 oh sweet! 09:30 i was saying last night that I love when variants take some role or item or strategy that has just gotten screwed over the years and don't have the use they seem to be intended to have and make them better 09:31 sorry, was a bit triggered by the "hardly ever". I am number 2 in evilhack monks after you ;-) 09:31 haha oh man 09:31 not what i meant 09:31 crazy monk people 09:31 it's not your favorite role, true? 09:31 monks are just priests that can do damage 09:32 priest forever! 09:32 hehe i used to play priest exclusively 09:32 had a different name but i have like 20 priest acensions on nao i think 09:32 have you ascended an evilhack priest? so much more satisfying than vanilla priest 09:32 no 09:32 more. fun. than. monk. 09:32 seems really hard although they got buffed too i'm pretty sure 09:33 priests are the shiznit 09:33 mobileuser is mad at me 09:33 they would be the platonic ideal class if k2 didnt have some strange delusion that their quest artifact isnt garbage :-) 09:34 lol rebatela 09:34 my feelings aren't hurt that you don't play my role... I didn't invent it or anything (I would have made the quest MUCH more interesting) 09:36 can we all agree monk has the worst quest? 09:37 xnh switches it up a bit 09:38 i'm so confused. Why do i have this giant stack of blessed eucalyptus and then i remembered i didn't have a whistle forever 09:38 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:39 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 09:39 i forgot about that vorpal blade trick... Do i need to be wielding it to protect me? 09:39 i would hate to break the conduct that way by accident... 09:41 ok i'm super confused with my game right now 09:41 yes wielded for beheading protection 09:42 i think i found bones 09:42 A scorpion corpse named Radgarra 09:42 so they died while polymorphed? 09:43 possible 09:43 must have been an npc that jumped in a trap 09:43 also possible 09:43 had a bag of holding with stuff in it and that's what threw me for a loop 09:44 not used to seeing named scorpions either 09:44 youll know for sure if there is no unchanging in the pile 09:44 "Radgarra" doesn't occur in the source code 09:45 well if it's bones won't it say something in the overview? 09:45 did you spell the name correctly? 09:46 rebatela, only once you find the point of death i think 09:46 radgrarra 09:47 dwarf female name 09:47 NPC 09:47 sweet yeah 09:50 Urist? 09:55 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Lolth, on T:58069 (23:28:17) 09:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1164 points, T:934, killed by a large spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:08 oh neat. Vlads on Orcus lvl and I mean RIGHT there lol 10:08 https://imgur.com/a/u717kbD 10:10 i used to love that in vanilla because you could just use the same rubber chicken on both... 10:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3824 points, T:2996, killed by a kobold shaman 10:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:644 (0:02:55) 10:16 man, i really like how the boss levels stop being no-teleport once you kill 10:18 just ate a leprachuan corpse for the "jumpinness" but omg i seriously thought i might have choked again lol 10:19 krm26's love/hate relationship with priest 10:25 i forgot to wish for drain resistant t-shirt ... for some reason i thought it was one of the new things i got after lvl 25 or whatever... just got confused so wished for telepathy property because i couldn't think of anything else 10:26 i can still be ok without drain resistance tho right? 10:26 i mean, if i get drained one level you just kill something quick and get right back 10:27 shadow dragons 10:27 maybe geno them 10:28 are you going to use boulder fort for Vlad? 10:28 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:3858 (0:20:37) 10:34 why do I keep checking my alignment status, I'm a priest, I can do without my QA 10:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 11496 points, T:5144, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jaguar, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 482 points, T:437, killed by a steel dwarvish spear 10:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 784 points, T:1163, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted lesser homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:46 mobileuser its because you know the mitre is awesome and you secretly want it 10:47 i gotta do dishes 10:49 gl! :-) 10:50 (bbl) 10:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1739 points, T:1715, diseased by an orc zombie, while praying 10:52 for mobileuser: https://silverbirchpress.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/how-not-to-have-to-dry-the-dishes-poem-and-drawing-by-shel-silverstein/ 10:54 not sure why it says 2013... definitely from 70s 10:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 867 points, T:1039, killed by an air elemental of Venus 10:56 oh snap. I didn't realize it was k2 who had dishes to do. welllll the poem still holds 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 66032 points, T:35698, killed by a hill giant shaman 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:702 (0:05:53) 11:16 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 11:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) averted death (killed by a giant mimic), on T:4506 (0:27:36) 11:24 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of magic resistance, on T:6920 (0:40:56) 11:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:8644 (0:51:02) 11:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:8794 (0:52:16) 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) averted death (crushed to death underneath a drawbridge), on T:68839 (2 days, 18:00:56) 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 6811 points, T:7983, killed by a rope golem, while dressing up 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed amulet of life saving", on T:68889 (2 days, 18:04:51) 11:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping 6 crude daggers on an altar, on T:10077 (0:58:37) 12:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:11555 (1:10:25) 12:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 6662 points, T:7014, killed by an invisible stalker 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vecna, on T:69219 (2 days, 18:26:33) 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 2144 points, T:4507, killed by a couatl of Ilmater 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:69233 (2 days, 18:30:37) 12:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) made his first wish - "+3 frost brand", on T:13534 (1:24:20) 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:69240 (2 days, 18:34:52) 12:24 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:69244 (2 days, 18:35:46) 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1638 (0:12:40) 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 363 points, T:1421, killed by falling down a mine shaft 12:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) performed his first genocide (giant eels), on T:15633 (1:35:59) 12:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:16144 (1:40:11) 12:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 magical twisted staff on an altar, on T:3027 (0:28:29) 12:49 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 1327 points, T:3253, killed by a kobold 13:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19997 (2:04:35) 13:06 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:4903 (1:01:00) 13:18 oh man. FINALLY was able to read charm 13:23 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) polymorphed his first item, on T:23541 (2:32:04) 13:31 damn woolly has 322 hp 13:31 i only have 242 lol 13:32 i guess i will name him "max" 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:59993 (1 day, 0:57:13) 13:35 i wish i had the patience to play with pets 13:36 i'm gonna have to go tame that titan i ran into now that i can tho 13:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una) wished for "fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:25095 (2:42:55) 13:40 i gotta start collecting all the crazy barding for the woollys 13:41 that artifact is so tempting to make. maybe some game i will 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:70498 (2 days, 19:52:08) 13:41 lots of female woollys 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 0 points, T:10, killed by a jackal 13:48 is there a limit to the number of leashes you can use? 13:48 Lke, I have this absolute mob of kickass pets. Can i somehow bring them all through the planes? leash them to each other ? 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:70751 (2 days, 20:05:00) 13:56 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:60375 (1 day, 1:16:04) 13:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una), 95144 points, T:27609, killed by a drow warrior 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:60405 (1 day, 1:18:12) 13:58 no marker :( 13:59 Haiogoth-ai of Uluunog takes a picture of you with an expensive camera! 13:59 lol 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:8701 (1:47:35) 14:00 haha 14:01 say cheese 14:01 i need to train riding and then maybe i'll come back and grab one of these woollys for a bit 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:70915 (2 days, 20:13:31) 14:03 quick question. Does blessed restore ability bring back all your levels so that I could drain myself down to a low level and try to buy protection and then quaff one potion and right back to 30? 14:03 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering an Uruk-hai corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:7889 (5:43:58) 14:06 "Nothing happens." 14:07 rebatela I think it restores all your levels 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create the Hammer of the Gods, on T:71070 (2 days, 20:18:22) 14:08 the wiki agrees 14:09 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:10 ab 14:10 ab 14:12 i wish i knew all the saddles i've come across were... but it's my own fault i don't remember 14:13 I've read people complain about nethack in that regard 14:13 especially in vanilla, saddles have ridiculously low generation rate 14:13 "Oh in Dungeon Soup crawler the game will tell you where you forgot everything!" 14:13 it's way better! 14:13 that's because in dcss there's like 3 items per floor :p 14:14 lol. i've never played so i shouldn't really comment 14:14 i have seen people say that though 14:14 in dcss it works because there's not as many items and you want basically all of them 14:15 i see 14:15 besides like, junk weapons 14:15 and armor 14:16 reading logs, and re: orctown it would be cool if there was a peaceful orcish priest of moloch in the temple 14:17 there ya go 14:18 i don't care if the rest of it is deserted. but a priest would be nice 14:21 although... I'm pretty sure the reason orctown came about as a random minetown was to interrupt the protection racket 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 21040 points, T:10087, killed by a hobbit pickpocket, while frozen by a potion 14:23 correction: in dcss it works because it has been implemented 14:23 fiqhack has a dcss-like #find command: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Find 14:24 got me there 14:24 There's no reason it couldn't be done in evilhack or any other variant other than the fact that that information isn't currently stored. That's why when you farlook piles you can only see the top item. 14:25 rebatela yeah but a minetown variant existing just to fuck over protection racketeers is stupid so I'm ignoring developer's original intentions :p 14:25 lo 14:25 lol 14:25 if that was the intention, anyway. I'd guess that was at least part of it 14:26 i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure that was the thinking... Some variant did it first 14:26 everyone should rebase on fiqhack instead of 3.7 14:26 sporkhack 14:26 noisytoot not nh4 anymore? :P 14:27 Loggers_VIII: nh4 should rebase on fiqhack, it doesn't have #find 14:27 lol 14:28 i think being able to "find" is a bunch of bullshit and shouldn't be part of nethack 14:28 it's not some flaw or feature they don't know how to implement 14:28 remember where you left stuff. sheesh 14:28 if you really wanted to you could just search ttyrecs so I think it's dumb that you can't just do it in game 14:29 it is absolutely a flaw and a feature that isn't implemented because the information isn't tracked 14:29 lol 14:30 fat fingering, lazy motherfuckers. typos are fine, not remembering anythijng is not a problem. Yeah it's a design flaw... 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] splungetoo (Con Dwa Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5943 (0:49:30) 14:31 some people hoard items. some poeple have stashes 14:31 some people don't use stashes 14:31 that's ALL part of the strategy of the game 14:32 You can just search the ttyrecs or write everything down. There's no reason to not have that information available other than technical reasons (it's not tracked) 14:32 not "Oh where is this, i don't need to know" 14:32 my criteria for if something like find should exist or not is if it not existing provides interesting challenge 14:32 walking through the entire dungeon because you forgot where you left a dagger of fire is not really interesting or challenging 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4233 (0:46:10) 14:34 sweet 14:34 for me? 14:34 that's what makes the game fun 14:34 it can be frustrating 14:35 so, don't use #find if you don't want to 14:35 I'm waiting for save and restore to become the new option... I didn't MEAN to do that! I changed my mind at the last second, so that shouldn't count 14:35 it's still a feature that should exist 14:35 my fingers went that way. But it wasn't my intention 14:35 it's still a feature that should exist? in nethack? 14:35 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope?useskin=vector 14:35 yes 14:36 you are changing the entire game, so speak for yourself. 14:36 this is not really comparable to making a typo 14:36 (nor save scumming) 14:36 oh that is next. watch 14:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Cen Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:8168 (5:59:03) 14:37 pff, no way 14:37 nonsense 14:37 that's just silly 14:37 i think the game keeping track of where you dropped something is even crazier 14:37 so whatever 14:37 than save scumming? come on 14:38 it's supposed to suck when you lose something 14:38 oh cool we're doing this again 14:38 you are ignoring the fact that you can just search ttyrecs 14:38 lemme know when the retreading's done 14:38 no prob umbire 14:39 this is just the kvetching over 3.6 changes But Totally Different 14:39 3.7 is now 10 times easier than previous versions due to paranoid water, sadly 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Val Gia Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:4586 (0:51:31) 14:40 searching ttyrecs is not part of the game. Obviously someone playing on a server can do that 14:40 you're not supposed to lose shit. people have lost shit forever. that's the game. it's supposed to drive you nuts when it happens, and then you find what you misplaced or you don't 14:40 it's part of the GAME 14:40 not point and click - where is this 14:40 all you have to do is ignore the lower regen and the pile of bodies by that displacer beast 14:41 play a game that IS like that... there are tons of them. Or keep watering down nethack 14:41 UI deficiencies are not part of the game 14:41 removing 5 minutes of boring gameplay is not "watering the game down" 14:41 3.7 is harder but has an improved interface that provides the illusion of it being easier 14:41 it's not a deficiency. the game used to be hard 14:41 the game still is hard, lol 14:41 3.4.3 is easier than 3.6 14:42 I doubt the original developers were like "damn I wish everyone could know where everything in the dungeon is all the time! They could just misplace things carelessly and be fine!!" But we just don't have the technology yet" 14:42 the game has become progressively more difficult with each recent version, however people love to get stuck on UI improvements and assume it's just easybabyhack now 14:42 play 1.3d if you want nethack as the original developers designed it 14:43 genuinely, I don't even play with paranoid_water but I've appreciated it being there because it means people are more likely to actually experience the actual hard parts of the game 14:43 either that, or people love to get stuck on one annoying aspect and assume vanilla is evilhack 14:43 nah people crying "baghhhhh i fell in the water.. I don't LIKE my scrolls going blank wahhh" are making it babyhack 14:43 2 magic flutes in votd right next to each other. Someone kick the rng. 14:43 speaking of I've thought vanilla should (actually) copy evilhack's thing where mindflayers eat skill training 14:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 1246 points, T:1099, killed by the Goblin King, while jumping around 14:44 I have never understood the paranoid liquid complaints. legitimately who cares 14:44 there's prob. good reason why it shouldn't but it's at minimum more interesting than "enjoy remapping half the dungeon dipshit" 14:44 if you don't like paranoid liquids or #find, don't use them 14:45 Losing stuff, accidentally polypiling stuff. Oh no where did that go? 14:45 is part of nethack to me 14:45 i'm not the one who needs a new game 14:45 yes you are 14:45 you want to change my game into something easier 14:45 I played my entire most recent 3.7 ascension (in which I encountered many liquids, including a fuckton of lava), without paranoid liquid. I am skilled enough to do so. However, why should I care if someone is annoyed that they fatfingered, or that their connection is ass? 14:45 and it's working 14:46 you can just disable paranoid liquids 14:46 not talking about that 14:46 and I lost my shit in lava twice this game so it's not like i don't reap what i sow 14:46 but yeah lava should just be ornamental 14:46 Noisytoot, I'm pretty sure it doesn't even come enabled? 14:46 but if it does then yeah 14:46 right, I know you don't play with paranoid liquids because you complain about them existing. but actually who cares if someone else does? 14:46 beauty of options is that they're optional 14:47 and the beauty of realtimes no longer counting 14:47 e.g. you can leave sparkle on the entire Planes if you want 14:47 when you can just slam the keys 14:47 what's someone gonna do call the Kops 14:47 it doesn't in evilhack but I think it might in 3.7 14:47 fuck sparkles 14:47 nh4 has non-optional paranoid liquids 14:47 playing optimally realtime still requires not walking into liquid, because it wastes your time 14:47 you cannot just slam the keys and ascend 14:48 why don't you try it and see how far you get? 14:48 the fuzzer is still not ascending 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Shrigis (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:433 (0:03:52) 14:48 you don't play slower when you know you can actually fall in the water/lava?? cmon.... i don't care, and it doesn't matter for most people but you DO play fast loggers 14:49 you know it makes a difference, probably more than most 14:49 do you really think I'm the kind of guy to slow down near the water :P 14:49 i like to play that way too. but i don't even worry about saving now if i go take a piss etc. because i don't think it's the same 14:50 i'm over that... "find my item i lost" is total BS though lol 14:50 sorry 14:50 if it can be implemented by a custom interface it should be part of the game 14:50 Ok how about we all get 3 continues? 14:51 that cannot be implemented by a custom interface 14:51 that is a slippery slope argument that does not work at all 14:51 (also, explore mode exists) 14:52 rodney stealing the amulet double trouble etc. and you can't find the amulet? 14:52 that's nevfer happened to you? 14:52 "you guys must want the game to not be permadeath anymore" christ it's like when vanilla makes shocking spheres explode rings and everyone goes "this is evilhack now" 14:52 have to freeze the water. i've lost quest artifacts and just given up and gone on 14:52 if you didn't see where it was lost then #find won't work 14:52 the game isn't supposed to tell you were it is 14:53 what noisy said 14:53 it doesn't magically know where items you haven't seen are 14:54 I wish there was still a usenet community. Reddit doesn't really get there. THere are people who agree with me, and I'm not even particularly GOOD at the game. I start scum all the time FFS. 14:54 But I have always looked up to the people who ARE good 14:55 they didn't need the game to tell them where they left the bell of opening 14:55 or say "Do you want to go into the lava and die?" 14:55 Y/N? 14:55 babyhack 14:55 damn didn't realize I wasn't good because I use paranoid water (two con dro ascensions btw) 14:55 Obviously it's ascendable without interface improvements, since it has been ascended. UI improvements are not balance changes. That doesn't mean it's more fun. 14:56 usenet still kind of exists but it's just 3 guys and pat basically 14:56 hehe we were talking about Janis last night... 14:58 I feel like I was kind of a dick to janis during that whole debacle but I think his dickishness was stronger so I don't feel too bad about it 14:58 I feel like it's slightly more than 3 guys 14:58 but like, only slightly 14:58 oh i wouldn't worry about it... I've had probably a hundred interactions, and I always tried to be nice 14:58 ppl used to fuck with him though (him? i used to think it was a chick) 14:59 three or four regulars, anyway 14:59 lmao "used to" 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:63881 (14:34:11) 15:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:63896 (14:34:29) 15:03 Loggers_VIII: You are one of the best. Might be THE best at evil. I never said you weren't.... But are you saying you can't play faster with paranoid water on? People campaigned for that apparently and you own the realtimes. You'd still have them without the paranoid option... I would think if i was in your shoes I would want the rules to stay the same 15:04 it's not like you broke tarirus record because of the paranoid water change lol 15:05