00:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2242 (0:28:59)
00:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2207 points, T:2607, killed by a piranha
00:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:82198 (1 day, 10:25:16)
00:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 131 points, T:173, killed by a killer bee
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00:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:83025 (1 day, 10:51:28)
00:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:83026 (1 day, 10:51:54)
01:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:84653 (1 day, 11:53:18)
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05:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1664 points, T:3236, killed by the Goblin King
05:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1605 points, T:1692, killed by a gas cloud
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05:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 381 points, T:1277, killed by a brown mold
05:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver elven shield of decay", on T:45147 (22:30:27)
05:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) wished for "blessed mithril magic lamp", on T:45153 (22:33:04)
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06:03 <Imanity> Goblin king with wand of polymorph :)
06:03 <Imanity> Haven't seen that in a while
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06:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 949 points, T:2689, killed by a system shock
06:03 <Imanity> Fun times
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06:19 <mobileuser> I converted to chaotic so I could use your ring of p'hul Imanity
06:19 <mobileuser> very nice for a giant
06:19 <Imanity> Ya
06:19 <Imanity> Have you found the arch lich in the mines?
06:20 <Imanity> Or has anyone?
06:20 <mobileuser> no arch-lich bones for me and I haven't heard anyone else about it
06:20 <Imanity> Maybe K2 mercy deleted it lol
06:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:65048 (18:06:55)
06:20 <mobileuser> or it's waiting for you!
06:20 <Imanity> I will have no MR and enjoy the fucking :)
06:21 <mobileuser> heh
06:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:65382 (18:13:10)
06:30 <mobileuser> yay XL 26
06:31 <mobileuser> can go altar camping now
06:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65678 (18:23:42)
06:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:65685 (18:24:02)
06:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:65853 (18:27:27)
06:52 <Imanity> Levelport put me in minetown. Whilst trying to get up, went through a teleport trap and levelport trap
06:52 <Imanity> and 2 trap doors...
06:53 <Imanity> and a bear trap only to get surroudned by mobs from all sides
06:53 <Imanity> xD
06:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 4725 points, T:4510, quit
06:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1216 points, T:1786, killed by Ms. Manlobbi; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
06:54 <mobileuser> urgh
06:54 <mobileuser> so you got to minetown without killing the goblin king?
06:58 <Imanity> Levelport trap
06:58 <Imanity> It was a shit minetown anyway, but didn't want me to leave xD
06:58 <Imanity> Smallest shops, no magic lamps, etc
06:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the human high priest of Moloch, on T:66239 (18:45:37)
06:59 <mobileuser> Disruptor happily jousting
06:59 <mobileuser> centaur knight is fun
07:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:66249 (18:46:40)
07:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:66321 (18:53:06)
07:06 <rebatela> gg
07:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:66328 (18:53:24)
07:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:46258 (23:05:54)
07:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Saint Michael, on T:66474 (18:59:40)
07:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2587 points, T:2106, killed by a giant leech, while praying
07:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:66961 (19:13:53)
07:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1102 points, T:1565, killed by a bolt of lightning
07:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5604 (0:50:49)
07:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:67546 (19:30:40)
07:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:67547 (19:30:52)
07:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1630 points, T:2224, killed by a large spider, while praying
07:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:67715 (19:40:27)
07:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) destroyed the saddled Pale Horse, on T:67734 (19:43:00)
08:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class P, on T:67760 (19:45:30)
08:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:67781 (19:47:08)
08:02 <Imanity> Lol think I have 5 naturally occurring +5 daggers
08:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:67783 (19:47:14)
08:05 <Imanity> gg
08:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 8291748 points, T:67806, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Disruptor/evilhack/dumplog/1702702441.evil.html
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08:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:2769 (0:23:21)
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08:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:4845 (0:32:17)
08:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2064 points, T:5146, zombified by an orc zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze
08:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Con Orc Fem Cha) had a bone orcish dagger entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:3837 (1:58:48)
08:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1288 (0:10:38)
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08:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:46874 (23:27:59)
08:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 17604 points, T:10790, killed by a boulder
08:48 <Imanity> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVoMNFZ71lI
08:50 <mobileuser> noooo
08:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2717 (0:29:27)
09:00 <hothraxxa> asshole dwarf in the mines just cancelled all my scrolls and potions (i have no bag) AND my luck blade and gift dagger
09:01 <hothraxxa> had two unidentified 300 zm scrolls :(
09:01 <hothraxxa> i bet this wand is out of charges now
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09:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4171 (0:40:35)
09:16 <mobileuser> ouch, that is serious bad luck
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09:20 <hothraxxa> yeah. i'm used to it by now
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11:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 314 points, T:456, killed by an arrow
11:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 691 points, T:1086, killed by a hobgoblin
11:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1327 (0:04:48)
11:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1757 (0:07:21)
11:45 <terrapin> ooh nice, got an oilskin cloak of invisibility
11:48 <Umbire> "We have Unheld One at home"
11:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3656 (0:39:06)
12:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3910 (0:44:11)
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12:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:24697 (6:56:55)
12:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:7473 (1:10:28)
12:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2868014 points, T:80433, choked on a hill giant corpse
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12:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:49622 (1 day, 0:28:14)
12:47 <K2> terrapin nice, that's RARE
12:47 <K2> [backscroll] i dont delete bones files hah
12:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:50354 (1 day, 0:35:59)
12:51 <mobileuser> although my shambling horror is extremely annoying, it does have some comedy value
12:52 <mobileuser> it steals and then teleports like a nymph and is extremely fast
12:52 <K2> heh
12:52 <K2> it's like ozzy with a stick
12:52 <mobileuser> but also telepathic and tunnels, so I see it zipping across the screen whilst fleeing
12:53 <K2> ozzy drop the stick! ozzy!
12:53 <K2> instead he just runs away
12:53 <mobileuser> haha
12:54 <jonadab> Too bad he can't also call in more shambling horrors for help when threatened.
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12:56 <mobileuser> oh my
12:58 <hothraxxa> oops! i think i ate a zombie
12:58 <tau_> hi all
12:58 <hothraxxa> hi tau
12:58 <tau_> I have a game going on hardfought right now where I polymorphed Neferet The Green before killing her and now the bell won't work
12:59 <tau_> anyone know if this is unwinnable?
12:59 <hothraxxa> i say hello. i'm not like those others
12:59 <tau_> haha
13:00 <hothraxxa> the bell is cursed. you can uncurse it by completing your quest
13:01 <hothraxxa> oh wait, you must have already if you have the bell
13:01 <tau_> i did the quest a long time ago, but the leader wanted the eye of the aethiopica back and I declined and made her mad
13:01 <hothraxxa> did you try uncursing it?
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13:02 <tau_> it was uncursed
13:02 <hothraxxa> and has charges i assume
13:02 <tau_> yeah
13:02 <tau_> the issue is the quest isn't marked as finished, I think because of the polymorph
13:02 <hothraxxa> sounds like a bug then
13:03 <tau_> was just trying to avoid a murder penalty :(
13:03 <hothraxxa> i think that case is so obvious it must be handled
13:03 <hothraxxa> however the evidence indicates otherwise
13:03 <tau_> yeah i assumed so
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13:08 <hothraxxa> loth: the last three corps have been rotten and made me pass out
13:09 <hothraxxa> corpses
13:11 <Noisytoot> quest leaders/nemeses (or possibly all uniques as in dnethack) should resist polymorph
13:11 <Noisytoot> although you need to make sure to handle sliming as well
13:12 <mobileuser> oof tau_
13:13 <mobileuser> maybe there is some trick summoning another quest leader with an artifact wish, but not sure that worked last time something similar happened
13:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13018 (1:54:43)
13:14 <mobileuser> ^ K2
13:14 <hothraxxa> this happened before?
13:14 <mobileuser> not the polymorph
13:15 <mobileuser> I think quest leader got eaten by dragon before quest start or something
13:15 <hothraxxa> i vaguely recall something like that
13:16 <Umbire> Likewise but what happened
13:16 <Umbire> that this is coming up
13:16 <Umbire> I DC'd briefly after tau came in
13:16 <mobileuser> tau_ polymorphed their quest leader
13:17 <Umbire> and then?
13:17 <hothraxxa> and killed her
13:17 <mobileuser> and now the game is not registering the quest leader as killed
13:17 <hothraxxa> now the beel won't work
13:17 <hothraxxa> bell
13:17 <Umbire> oh so it might be ogre
13:17 <Umbire> That's rough buddy
13:17 <Umbire> (genuinely)
13:26 <tau_> darn
13:26 <tau_> not a fun way to lose a -61AC ascension ready wizard
13:26 <terrapin> tau_ if you wish for a quest artifact and get a quest leader, then kill them *personally* (no pets, no polymorph), the quest will be marked as complete
13:27 <hothraxxa> i am now at 6 of the last 7 corpses being rotten. 5 of them made me blind and 4 made me pass out
13:27 <tau_> hmmm
13:27 <terrapin> i think
13:27 <tau_> ok, I will try this
13:27 <terrapin> i wiztested and it seems to work
13:27 <tau_> unfortunately i only have one wish left from a magic lamp
13:27 <tau_> fingers crossed
13:28 <terrapin> it happened to bouquet before and the QL kill didn't work, but there had been a midgame update that might have screwed it up. or maybe a pet was involved? can't remember
13:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) wished for "the staff of aesculapius", on T:88420 (1 day, 14:07:40)
13:30 <tau_> didn't get the artifact wish :(
13:30 <tau_> RIP
13:30 <terrapin> :( that sucks
13:31 <tau_> if only i hadn't used my castle wishes to get so overpowered i could try again
13:32 <tau_> i don't think i have it in me to farm for more lamps, and the wizard would harass me the whole time anyway
13:32 <tau_> so i think i might have to escape in celestial disgrace here
13:32 <hothraxxa> sorry to hear tau
13:35 <K2> ugh
13:35 <K2> no we've never had a case of the quest leader being poly'd first then killed
13:35 <K2> dammit
13:36 <K2> we can prevent this from happening in future game, but i'm not sure we can fix the current game. terrapin's suggestion will work, but you have to get that wish
13:37 <K2> and how the hell is a quest leader able to be poly'd in the first place? didnt think that was possible
13:37 <K2> TIL I guess
13:37 <K2> ^ tau_
13:38 <tau_> yeah, i killed the first couple apprentices and got the bad messages for murder and decided i should poly everyone else to avoid losing more luck and alignment
13:38 <tau_> seems that was not accounted for lol
13:38 <K2> i'm sorry :(
13:38 <K2> my fault
13:39 <K2> hothraxxa will buy you a new car
13:39 <tau_> well, i'll think about it but i think farming up any more wishes would be a pretty massive effort
13:39 <tau_> hehe
13:39 <Umbire> You probably could've come back and tamed them
13:39 <Umbire> but yeah, not much to be done
13:39 <tau_> unfortunately they were already dead (and the corpse rotted) by the time i realized the bell didn't work
13:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 48043 points, T:16863, killed by a bolt of lightning
13:44 <K2> uuugh
13:44 <K2> i hate it when this happens. i thought we had knocked out all the game ending/unwinnable bugs
13:44 <K2> i'm really sorry Tangles
13:44 <K2> oops
13:44 <K2> tau_
13:44 <K2> damn autoselect
13:45 <tau_> all good
13:45 <tau_> interesting that i managed to be the first
13:46 <tau_> also interesting looking back at it that the polymorph worked at all...
13:46 <mobileuser> Noisytoot's suggestion of making uniques non-polymorphable makes sense
13:47 <mobileuser> (at the moment it's not an uncommon tactic to eg polymorph the healer quest nemesis)
13:48 <K2> yeah for some reason I had that in my head that uniques were off limits to poly
13:49 <K2> so yes that suggestion by Noisytoot is a good one imo
13:50 <jonadab> I assume Rodney would still be able to polymorph himself, on the grounds that that's different and he's special.
14:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:88498 (1 day, 14:43:05)
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14:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) wished for "the staff of aesculapius", on T:89305 (1 day, 15:13:02)
14:36 <tau_> hey all -- no way! I polypiled for potions of blindness (smoky) and I just got Hippocrates from a wish
14:36 <tau_> 2/9 chance of that working I think
14:37 <tau_> gonna kill him and cross my fingers
14:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Hippocrates, on T:89318 (1 day, 15:17:13)
14:39 <Umbire> I feel like this is a distinct hopium that was tried last time too
14:40 <tau_> well, terrapin said earlier he wiz tested it
14:41 <tau_> anyways Hippocrates is quite dead by my hand now. time to see if the bell works
14:41 <tau_> staff of aesculapius is also better than magicbane, right?
14:42 <Umbire> they serve p. different purposes
14:43 <tau_> suppose i want to enchant it to max and beat up monsters when my mana is low
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14:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:89387 (1 day, 15:24:16)
14:46 <tau_> ritual successful
14:46 <tau_> thank you for your service, Hippocrates
14:48 <Umbire> Coo
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14:51 <K2> oh awesome
14:51 <K2> yay \o/
14:52 <K2> staff of aesculapius is great vs rodney because of the level drain
14:52 <K2> hungerless regen is nice too
14:53 <hothraxxa> whoa, back just in time to see tau managed to complete the invocation
14:53 <K2> expect to see a fix soon so this doesnt happen again
14:53 <hothraxxa> close one
14:53 <hothraxxa> that's a nasty bug
14:54 <K2> very rare though thankfully
14:54 <hothraxxa> good that there was a workaround
14:54 <K2> yup
14:55 <Umbire> ye
14:58 <K2> you still have to buy tau_ a new car hothraxxa
14:58 <jonadab> That might require installing an object-oriented version of Lisp.
15:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:11106 (4:51:13)
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15:02 <jonadab> K2: Maybe you could start a trophy hall where you display the names of players who have found game-killing bugs :-)
15:03 <K2> loggers has most of them i think
15:03 <K2> there have only been a small handful but bleh
15:03 <K2> that there were any makes me sad
15:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:54074 (1 day, 1:18:14)
15:06 <jonadab> K2: Fourk had a bug that came very close to it.  At one point the bones-saving code used only the first digit of the level number, and a post-Medusa bones level, with minotaur, got saved and used in someone's game as dungeon level two.  He _survived_ by getting off that level ASAP.
15:06 <K2> doh
15:07 <K2> alrighty, gotta go. offline for a few hours, back tonight. tau_ good luck with your game, I'm glad that worked out!
15:07 <jonadab> I was impressed that he made it off the level honestly.
15:20 <hothraxxa> <@K2> convicts dont incur an alignment penalty for killing the watch
15:20 <hothraxxa> oh yes they do :(
15:21 <hothraxxa> maybe now that this guy sounded the alarm and they are hostile i might not get further alignment penalties
15:21 <hothraxxa> i sure hope so
15:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:90187 (1 day, 16:05:47)
15:54 <mobileuser> the previous version of the convict quest artifact had one advantage: you didn't have to care about alignment
15:56 <hothraxxa> The stone giant zaps a maple wand!  The death ray hits you!
15:56 <hothraxxa> :(
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15:56 <rebatela> !lastgame latebear
15:56 <Hecubus> rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/latebear/evilhack/dumplog/1702216228.evil.html
15:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Con Orc Fem Cha), 21348 points, T:14310, killed by a death ray
15:57 <rebatela> no worries. I haven't killed myself IRL (yet) 
15:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:55355 (1 day, 1:34:38)
15:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful Uruk-hai, on T:90610 (1 day, 16:29:30)
15:57 <mobileuser> hothraxxa damn
15:58 <rebatela>  You had a huge damage bonus (+16).
15:58 <rebatela> You had a huge defense bonus (+22).
15:58 <mobileuser> ?
15:58 <mobileuser> you splatted?
15:58 <rebatela> I had more jewelry to eat too 
15:58 <rebatela> yeah i choked on a corpse not paying attention
15:58 <mobileuser> urgh
15:58 <mobileuser> that sucks
15:59 <rebatela> yeah i'm getting over it. I was doing crazy freaking damage and was looking forward to the rest oh well 
16:01 <mobileuser> I hope you will find your own bones rebatela
16:01 <rebatela> ha! thanks. that'd be sweet 
16:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Drizossk (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 7572 points, T:6893, suffocated by a gelatinous cube
16:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) used a forge to create Shadowblade, on T:55386 (1 day, 1:40:37)
16:07 <rebatela> nice 
16:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Drizossk (Inf Dro Fem Una), 237 points, T:377, killed by a gas spore's explosion
16:07 <rebatela> yeah I'm having fun with the forges. I was bummed i didn't get polearm skill tho
16:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the orcish high priestess of Moloch, on T:90849 (1 day, 16:39:27)
16:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:90857 (1 day, 16:40:01)
16:08 <rebatela> damn so shawdowblade drains life from enemy? 
16:08 <rebatela> thats dope 
16:09 <rebatela> now i remember i found that second wand of wishing in the castle so i was destined to splat... 
16:16 <rebatela> too bad i was really deep (26) because i had been altar camping on more shallow levels, although i guess being deep sorta guarantees bones 
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16:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:55684 (1 day, 2:00:16)
16:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Lucifer, on T:91171 (1 day, 16:55:25)
16:23 <mobileuser> heh a chance sac and I got Fire Brand out of it
16:24 <mobileuser> good luck tau_!
16:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) entered Purgatory, on T:91180 (1 day, 16:56:45)
16:25 <Loggers_VIII> go tau go!
16:34 <Umbire> Bring it home, buddy
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16:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:56224 (1 day, 2:10:54)
16:44 <tau_> there we go, made it out of purgatory with the amulet
16:45 <tau_> hopefully those crystal chests didn't contain anything important
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16:45 <tau_> i made an executive decision to leave immediately
16:45 <Loggers_VIII> nah it's just random loot
16:45 <Loggers_VIII> yeah purgatory is nasty, especially if you let saint michael harass you
17:07 <mobileuser> K2 I killed a marilith with my shield, and after the kill message there were 2 "misses" messages for the marilith
17:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:56987 (1 day, 2:34:31)
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17:12 <Umbire> The purple worm's gulp attempt passes right through the wraith!
17:12 <Umbire> wrong chan
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17:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:57097 (1 day, 2:39:44)
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17:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (beholders), on T:57099 (1 day, 2:40:59)
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18:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Con Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:42, killed by a fox
18:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:4, killed by a scroll of genocide
18:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class @), on T:4 (0:00:16)
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19:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Con Orc Mal Cha), 958 points, T:1964, killed by a rothe
19:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Con Orc Mal Cha), 280 points, T:523, killed by a gnome lady
19:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 132130 points, T:32285, killed by a lesser nightmare
19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:29973 (8:31:04)
19:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:92521 (1 day, 18:06:54)
19:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:92523 (1 day, 18:07:53)
19:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3607 (0:31:08)
19:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:92525 (1 day, 18:09:47)
19:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) genocided krakens, on T:92529 (1 day, 18:11:20)
19:45 <Umbire> stopping my own hunt for the square to watch
19:45 <Umbire> while listening to that Kate Bush christmas special
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19:54 <Umbire> wuh oh, three air E 
19:55 <Umbire> got bogged down and Wiz harassment summoned nasties
19:56 <Umbire> including an eldritch ki-rin
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19:57 <Imanity> How long does it take invisibility from a magic trap to time out?
19:57 <Umbire> It doesn't, p. sure
19:57 <Imanity> sadge
19:57 <Imanity> mummy wrapping it is
19:58 <Loggers_VIII> you can remove it via the trap as well
19:58 <Loggers_VIII> but yeah it's permanent otherwise
19:58 <Imanity> I don't feel like dying to a gelatinous cube or air elemental today :)
19:58 <Imanity> Will help with gking at least
19:59 <Imanity> He gets bamboozled by invis
19:59 <Loggers_VIII> you can handle them :)
19:59 <Umbire> cursed wand of make invis
19:59 <Imanity> I've only found 2 wands so far. None are vanish
19:59 <Imanity> Just want to enter a shop before zombie gets my pet, but oh well :/
20:00 <Umbire> lmao of course it's right in the furthest corner
20:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 570 points, T:393, killed by the Goblin King
20:04 <Umbire> and again for earth
20:04 <Umbire> fuck off lmao
20:04 <Imanity> Ring of see invisible yay
20:04 <Imanity> Now I need to find a way to sneak it into shopkeep's pockets
20:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Con Orc Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "test", on T:3346 (0:54:41)
20:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1219 (0:02:40)
20:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4634 (0:56:22)
20:09 <tau_> some people say that it's a good idea to summon purple worms and charm monster on Astral
20:09 <tau_> i have never tried this but i am about to
20:09 <Imanity> You dont do that in evilhack
20:09 <Imanity> woolly mammoths
20:09 <Imanity> is the one
20:09 <terrapin> angels all have slow digestion rings
20:09 <tau_> ah
20:09 <terrapin> well most of them anyway
20:09 <tau_> well, good that i didn't waste the spell power then
20:10 <tau_> ill try one reverse genocide of woolly mammoths and see how it goes
20:10 <Imanity> You can do woolly rain or woolly cloud
20:10 <hothraxxa> i usually do four
20:10 <Imanity> Mobileuser and I prefer cloud. Most others like rain
20:10 <Loggers_VIII> what's the difference
20:10 <hothraxxa> cloud is simpler and uses less resources
20:11 <Imanity> Cloud=keep them with you. Rain=teleport
20:11 <hothraxxa> with rain you break teleportation wands to scatter your pets
20:11 <Loggers_VIII> oh yeah if you have a magic missile keeping them near you is better
20:11 <tau_> that makes sense
20:11 <Loggers_VIII> *WHISTLE not missile
20:11 <hothraxxa> heh
20:11 <tau_> ooh, i also get a horse
20:11 <Imanity> xD
20:11 <Loggers_VIII> yeah the horse is kind of cool
20:11 <tau_> i think my magic whistles were left on the stash
20:11 <Imanity> Careful if you dont have basic riding
20:11 <hothraxxa> so do the riders
20:12 <Imanity> wont be able to pick things up otherwise
20:12 <Loggers_VIII> famine has a really scary horse
20:12 <Imanity> Is that the disenchanting one?
20:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (monks), on T:1 (0:00:05)
20:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide
20:12 <Umbire> @e?White Horse
20:12 <Hecubus> White Horse (u) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 24 | Res: cold poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d8 kick physical, 2d8 kick physical, 2d6 bite disenchant | Align: 0 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, infravis
20:12 <tau_> i do not have basic riding but i think i'll be ok
20:12 <Imanity> Yep, nasty
20:12 <Imanity> You cant pick things up tau_
20:12 <Umbire> yeah you're not exactly in a hurry to pick up most things
20:12 <Imanity> without dismounting
20:12 <terrapin> the slowing one is scariest imo
20:12 <Loggers_VIII> no famine has the black horse
20:13 <Loggers_VIII> @e?black horse
20:13 <Hecubus> Black Horse (u) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 24 | Res: cold poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d8 kick physical, 2d8 kick physical, 2d6 bite slow | Align: 0 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, infravis
20:13 <tau_> i don't think there's any important loot for me on astral
20:13 <Loggers_VIII> the black horse will fuck you up
20:13 <Imanity> Depends tbh
20:13 <Imanity> Usually you're only fighting it
20:13 <Imanity> if there are angels around, yeah you're fucked
20:14 <terrapin> as a wizard if just means another FoD cast, though
20:14 <Loggers_VIII> that's why slow's so dangerous. if there weren't angels around, there will be :P
20:14 <terrapin> s/if/it
20:14 <Imanity> Then only fight riders for the first time where 2 max monsters can hit you
20:14 <tau_> oh oopsies i teleported my horse
20:14 <Imanity> xD
20:14 <tau_> goodbye, friend
20:15 <Umbire> you are still on the horse
20:15 <Imanity> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JqdDrYuefEQ
20:15 <tau_> oh nvm
20:15 <tau_> you're right
20:16 <tau_> saw the message and thought it was gone
20:16 <Umbire> can't warp it from under you if you're riding, no tele level
20:16 <Imanity> No point in using death rays on astral plane. Almost all mobs resist
20:17 <Imanity> Apart from 2 riders
20:17 <Loggers_VIII> riders and horses
20:17 <Loggers_VIII> and priests
20:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5339 points, T:3631, killed by an exploding wand
20:17 <Imanity> I thought priests had reflection
20:17 <Umbire> Well. That didn't work.
20:17 <Loggers_VIII> no
20:17 <Imanity> or some form of intrinsic MR
20:17 <Umbire> lmao no
20:18 <Loggers_VIII> they have a small chance to have a cloak of magic resistance, maybe you're thinking of that
20:18 <Imanity> Yeah, must be
20:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:92856 (1 day, 18:47:57)
20:18 <Loggers_VIII> it's like 1/13 or something, I forget
20:18 <Umbire> 1/21
20:18 <Loggers_VIII> wow that's a lot lower than I thought
20:18 <Umbire> luxi's brought it up a bunch, it's the Monk Speedrun Killer™
20:18 <Loggers_VIII> and yet the high priest of moloch has had one for me like four times :P
20:18 <terrapin> this is a prime time for magicbane if you still have it
20:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:92863 (1 day, 18:48:42)
20:19 <Loggers_VIII> ew monk speedrun in vanilla sounds horrible
20:19 <Imanity> yeah
20:19 <Umbire> It's a diff. chance for Kaen than regular priests but same principle
20:19 <Umbire> 10/11 for him to have a robe, 6/7 for priests
20:20 <Umbire> remainder of the time it's 2/3 cloak of protection, 1/3 cloak of magic resistance
20:20 <Umbire> though even outside of speedrun if you're a vanilla monk and he rolls that 1/33 you may well consider crying
20:21 <Umbire> uh oh, they bodied a high priest
20:21 <Loggers_VIII> I think I got MR kaen once but it was evilhack so I just punched him
20:21 <Imanity> Why? Can't you just hit him?
20:21 <terrapin> vanilla punching is pretty meh
20:21 <Umbire> ^
20:21 <Loggers_VIII> we're talking specifically vanilla
20:21 <Imanity> Oh
20:21 <Umbire> vanilla, hello
20:21 <Imanity> Don't think I've played vanilla monk
20:22 <Umbire> it sucks much less per 3.7 but still highly undesirable I imagine
20:22 <Loggers_VIII> they used to be ass now they're a bit better
20:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful woolly mammoth, on T:92889 (1 day, 18:52:04)
20:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful woolly mammoth, on T:92889 (1 day, 18:52:04)
20:22 <Umbire> you say that (and it's not wrong) but that TNNT vegan weaponless monk was fun
20:22 <Loggers_VIII> yeah ass in terms of power
20:22 <Loggers_VIII> I like monks a fair bit
20:23 <Umbire> I think you wanna un-stun/confuse yourself
20:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful straw golem, on T:92898 (1 day, 18:53:04)
20:23 <Umbire> @e?Death
20:23 <Hecubus> Death (&) | Lvl: 40 | Diff: 44 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 100 | Gen: unique | AC: -5 | Atk: 8d8 touch Death, 8d8 touch Death | Align: 0 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
20:23 <Umbire> no acid res there
20:23 <Umbire> drain res tracks though
20:23 <Umbire> oh celestial D cast, I forgot
20:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:92913 (1 day, 18:53:51)
20:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the White Horse, on T:92914 (1 day, 18:53:57)
20:25 <Loggers_VIII> celestial D are one of my favorite monsters, they're cool
20:25 <Umbire> @e?Archangel
20:25 <Hecubus> Archangel (A) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast clerical, 2d6 hug physical | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
20:25 <Imanity> They should be able to eat you tho
20:26 <Loggers_VIII> meh that would make it so they couldn't use their cool stuff as much
20:26 <Umbire> grand tour!!!
20:26 <Imanity> Maybe
20:26 <tau_> of course i have to go to all of them
20:26 <Umbire> also too easy to sack with digging wands
20:26 <tau_> of course i do
20:26 <Loggers_VIII> can't cast or yell at you when eating you :P
20:26 <terrapin> they're too refined to eat stringy adventurers
20:26 <Imanity> Unless they do it as they digest you xD
20:27 <Imanity> Still think that would be cool. Make getting digested more dangerous
20:27 <Loggers_VIII> doesn't really make sense though
20:27 <Imanity> Why not? If they can cast spells outside
20:27 <Imanity> it makes sense they would use the same tools on a hostile foreign body inside them
20:27 <Imanity> Maybe even more powerful
20:28 <Umbire> "just cast that spell of lightning inside you 4Head"
20:28 <Imanity> since you're in their space
20:28 <Imanity> :D
20:28 <Imanity> The inside of a blue dragon would prob be like the plane of air
20:28 <Imanity> getting stunned, paralyzed, etc.
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20:28 <Loggers_VIII> heh that's a funny idea
20:29 <Imanity> !tell K2 Dragon YANI. See above :)
20:29 <Hecubus> K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Imanity.
20:29 <Umbire> oh buddy you might need to take out more than that
20:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) averted death (killed by the Black Horse), on T:92987 (1 day, 18:59:32)
20:29 <Loggers_VIII> it would be cool if the dragons' digest attacks dealt their elemental damage
20:29 <Loggers_VIII> wuh oh
20:29 <Imanity> Oh no
20:30 <Umbire> and there's the black horse doing what it does
20:30 <tau_> ok famine is going rather poorly
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20:30 <Imanity> Can't you use death on him?
20:30 <Umbire> yeah I wouldn't gamble much harder on that tbh
20:30 <Loggers_VIII> yeah death blast that fool
20:30 <Umbire> unless there's a peaceful angel in the way
20:30 <Loggers_VIII> well first back off
20:30 <Imanity> his horse too
20:30 <Umbire> no way to whistle over mammoths?
20:30 <tau_> i shot it the wrong way last turn. stunned or something?
20:31 <tau_> no whistle, im a dumbass
20:31 <Imanity> Yes
20:31 <Imanity> Or confused
20:31 <terrapin> sickness attacks stun you if multiple hit in a turn
20:31 <terrapin> so pestilence will often stun you
20:31 <Loggers_VIII> famine prolly stunned you yeah
20:31 <tau_> hmmm
20:32 <tau_> i can zap again but i probably miss and die
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> death's attacks don't stun but he's kind of a different animal
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> drink the full healing first of all
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> can you pray?
20:32 <tau_> is prayer allowed on astral?
20:32 <tau_> i've never tried that
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> prayer is allowed on astral
20:32 <Umbire> no reason why it wouldn't be
20:32 <Imanity> Wait
20:32 <Loggers_VIII> saved my underprepared ass many times :)
20:32 <Imanity> you killed a bunch of pets
20:32 <tau_> you're right
20:32 <Imanity> are you sure it'll work?
20:33 <tau_> prayer is not a great idea
20:33 <tau_> i killed at least two
20:33 <Umbire> I think you had way more alignment than that to spare
20:33 <Loggers_VIII> it's only -1 luck penalty
20:33 <Umbire> though the wariness is reasonable
20:33 <Imanity> Oh that's not too bad
20:33 <Umbire> -15 alignment record hit also but you're well past that being impactful
20:33 <Umbire> I'd hope
20:33 <Imanity> Yeah
20:33 <tau_> ok let's pray first then and i'll see if i need the full heal afterwards
20:33 <Loggers_VIII> yeah looking back you killed 3 pets but that should be fine
20:34 <tau_> afraid if i quaff it now i die on the next turn
20:34 <tau_> well that did nothing
20:34 <Loggers_VIII> "you feel in good health again" wow Thoth how thoughtful
20:34 <Imanity> xD
20:34 <Umbire> I mean I doubt that would've been the case 
20:34 <Imanity> where is unihorn?
20:34 <terrapin> you really need status_lines:3
20:34 <Umbire> right there
20:34 <Loggers_VIII> it's in inv imanity
20:35 <tau_> yeah my status bar is totally messed up
20:35 <Loggers_VIII> press control x
20:35 <tau_> i can unihorn but i feel like i just get stunned again
20:35 <Loggers_VIII> break that wand of death
20:35 <Imanity> good idea
20:35 <terrapin> ooh smart!
20:35 <Umbire> that's... hm
20:35 <Umbire> I don't know about that
20:35 <tau_> is that touch of death or is it only damage
20:35 <Umbire> it's damage but I think it might severely bludgeon your HP bar
20:36 <terrapin> oh yeah will it do the FoD yourself effect?
20:36 <tau_> that's my only wand of death so i don't really want to break
20:36 <Umbire> terrapin, no
20:36 <terrapin> phew
20:36 <Umbire> 's the damage I'm worried about 
20:36 <Loggers_VIII> oh nevermind don't do that it's apparently only 16 damage per charge
20:36 <Imanity> if you're not slowed, maybe just run to your pet
20:36 <Umbire> 336 is probably more than enough to survive but-- yeah dumb idea anyway
20:36 <Imanity> after curing
20:36 <terrapin> do you not have FoD?
20:36 <Umbire> He does
20:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Mars, on T:48130 (1 day, 14:11:54)
20:36 <Loggers_VIII> for some reason I thought it would do the death magic effect. I'm not sure why it wouldn't
20:36 <Umbire> (is 'he' correct)
20:36 <tau_> stunned + fainting
20:37 <Imanity> Can't cast cause stunned
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20:37 <tau_> yeah
20:37 <terrapin> you don't really need the wand then
20:37 <tau_> but FoD drains so much power
20:37 <K2> i'm home. dont die tau_
20:37 <Hecubus> K2: Message from Imanity at 2023-12-20 20:29 EST: Dragon YANI. See above :)
20:37 <tau_> im going to unihorn first and see if i live
20:37 <terrapin> you're like 30 squares from winning---what do you need power for?
20:37 <Loggers_VIII> o/
20:37 <Umbire> I would keep the wand anyway because breaking it is dumb imho
20:37 <dingotron> OMG now I have two dwarvish bearded axes. thanks a lot Mars.
20:37 <tau_> more FoDs i assume
20:37 <K2> dual wield them dingotron :P
20:38 <Loggers_VIII> basically you can be dead with more power or alive with less I think is the dilemma :P
20:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the invisible Famine, on T:92995 (1 day, 19:08:04)
20:38 <Loggers_VIII> \o/
20:38 <Imanity> \o/
20:38 <K2> wee
20:38 <dingotron> lol so useless
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20:38 <Loggers_VIII> FoD that fucking horse before it slows you
20:38 <K2> Imanity what was the dragon yani
20:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Black Horse, on T:92996 (1 day, 19:08:26)
20:38 <K2> lots of backscroll
20:38 <Umbire> step forward before teleporting those A
20:39 <Loggers_VIII> ohhh you can make it
20:39 <Umbire> too late now
20:39 <Loggers_VIII> don't zap tele at that guy
20:39 <tau_> ahhhh angel on the corpse
20:39 <tau_> fucker
20:39 <Umbire> should've done it first thing unless your HP was that low
20:39 <Umbire> bar is literally just outside my visibility on this monitor
20:39 <Loggers_VIII> do you have acid blast or fireball? that'll take care of it
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20:40 <Imanity> K2 They use enhanced elemental attacks on you whilst engulfed. To make it more dangerous to engulf+dig+repeat. Blue dragons could stun+paralyze you, orange dragons would use a slow, and maybe paralysis
20:40 <Imanity> Would be guaranteed on at least the turn you get engulfed
20:40 <K2> paralysis would be super bad if engulfed by a dragon, lots of digest damage
20:40 <Loggers_VIII> orange dragons should be a sleep gas effect because otherwise tortles are boned
20:41 <terrapin> woohoo!
20:41 <tau_> yay!
20:41 <Imanity> gg
20:41 <K2> tau_ yay!
20:41 <Loggers_VIII> grats!
20:41 <K2> congrats!
20:41 <Umbire> gg
20:41 <tau_> that was a scary little hiccup at the end
20:41 <tau_> famine is tough
20:41 <K2> woo just in time, dinner on the table hah
20:41 <Imanity> It's just an example. Could be anything which thematically fits with that dragon
20:41 <K2> Imanity gotcha
20:41 <Loggers_VIII> famine's scariest in evil I think
20:41 <tau_> wonder what the best approach for dealing with famine is
20:42 <Imanity> Definitely froim melee
20:42 <Loggers_VIII> death zap him and get away
20:42 <Imanity> Zap wand of death from range
20:42 <tau_> stunned and fainting is just so dangerous
20:42 <Imanity> Or magic missile/acid blast
20:42 <Imanity> You cant get into melee range
20:42 <tau_> yeah i had to keep my distance and wait for him to walk to me i think
20:42 <K2> tau_ is this first evilhack asc?
20:43 <tau_> yeah
20:43 <K2> hah awesome
20:43 <K2> how's it feel?
20:43 <tau_> pretty good
20:43 <K2> :)
20:43 <terrapin> and what a first game!
20:43 <K2> hope it was a fun experience, weird bug nonwithstanding
20:43 <tau_> 21 wizard of yendor kills lol
20:44 <K2> heh
20:44 <tau_> yeah, it's a very fun game
20:44 <Loggers_VIII> 21? holy
20:44 <Umbire> neat
20:44 <K2> alright i'm being yelled at for not sitting down to eat. glad you had fun tau_
20:44 <K2> back soon
20:44 <tau_> i got very lucky with that quest leader wish
20:44 <tau_> haha, thank
20:44 <tau_> s
20:44 <Umbire> sure as shit did
20:44 <Imanity> What did you wish for?
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> did tau get a bug that had quest not marked as incomplete or something?
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> I skimmed logs but didn't read too closely
20:45 <terrapin> yeah
20:45 <tau_> quest was incomplete because i polymorphed Neferet the Green before killing
20:45 <terrapin> the game basically checks their monster data, which gets changed via polymorph
20:45 <Imanity> Damn
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> someone else had a similar thing awhile back, I forget what it was in that scenario
20:45 <terrapin> but it does a shit job of it so you can fool it with a different QL
20:46 <tau_> however the game was saved by polypiling smoky potions then wishing for the staff of aesculapius and getting it with its quest leader
20:46 <Imanity> Oh, then you kill that one so it unlocks quest
20:46 <Imanity> clever
20:46 <Loggers_VIII> hey does that mean you can abuse alignment all you want and then avoid the QL and wish for a QA to complete a quest?
20:46 <tau_> if i didn't get it in a few wishes i would have had to give up since it looks like the probability of success drops off fast
20:46 <tau_> you can just kill your own QL
20:46 <tau_> that's what i *meant* to do
20:46 <terrapin> you still get the same penalties
20:46 <Loggers_VIII> I know but the alignment and luck is annoying
20:47 <Loggers_VIII> aw lame
20:47 <terrapin> and it will be fixed soon regardless
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20:47 <Imanity> I don't like -4 timeout luck
20:47 <Imanity> especially during midgame, when altars are hard to come by
20:47 <Loggers_VIII> it's not too hard to avoid abusing alignment
20:48 <Loggers_VIII> unless you're like a monk or something
20:48 <terrapin> i've only ever killed one QL
20:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 9983456 points, T:93018, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tau/evilhack/dumplog/1702783937.evil.html
20:48 <Imanity> I never kill them directly
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20:48 <Loggers_VIII> I used to kill master po so many times
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20:49 <Loggers_VIII> monk was my first evilhack ascension so I played a LOT of monk
20:49 <Loggers_VIII> and I always fucked my alignment
20:49 <Imanity> Pretty easy to do as a monk
20:49 <Loggers_VIII> I am a sinner :(
20:49 <tau_> this game seems like it would be incredibly difficult to play while not a wizard
20:49 <Loggers_VIII> (probably gonna sin again)
20:49 <tau_> i relied so much on like half the spell catalog
20:50 <Imanity> Other roles get different tools which are almost as powerful
20:50 <Loggers_VIII> wizard makes it a lot simpler by eliminating a lot of small mechanics
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20:50 <Imanity> twoweapon is op for example
20:50 <Loggers_VIII> I think it's definitely one of the best starting roles, since you focus a lot less on management of stuff besides combat
20:51 <tau_> having to give up FoD would be ok but idk if i could give up repair armor, restore ability, identify, polymorph, etc
20:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:30910 (9:01:51)
20:51 <Loggers_VIII> repair armor and restore ability I think I end up casting on most of my chars even if they don't have skill in the respective schools
20:51 <Loggers_VIII> cause they're so good
20:52 <tau_> the monster spell that deletes fireproofing is really crazy
20:52 <tau_> seems like it would be super difficult not to have repair armor to cope
20:52 <Imanity> You still cast it
20:52 <Loggers_VIII> that spell actually is evil
20:53 <Imanity> But either spam, or remove armor which doesn't need repairing
20:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by Mars, on T:31015 (9:03:46)
20:53 <Loggers_VIII> if you play a stupid role and can't cast repair armor it's really annoying, but mainly you just use markers to write EA
20:54 <Imanity> Only one I can think of, is barb
20:54 <Umbire> even they might be able to swing it late game
20:54 <Imanity> Maybe with HoB
20:54 <Umbire> in vanilla some late barbs can go for a robe and do haste self shenanigans
20:55 <Loggers_VIII> eh, as a lot of roles that aren't naturally suited to casting I don't bother trying to cast high level stuff, even if you can
20:55 <Loggers_VIII> don't wanna sit around failing a dozen times in a row :P
20:56 <Umbire> haste self is level 3 and their special spell to boot
20:56 <Umbire> they get basic if not skilled outright so the option is There
20:56 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I was still mentioning repair armor
20:56 <Umbire> o
20:56 <Umbire> that's also level 3 ain't it
20:56 <Loggers_VIII> haste self is kind of funny but I don't think I could micromanage it
20:57 <Imanity> Even as wizard, icba with haste self
20:57 <Loggers_VIII> wtf repair armor is level 3 I thought it was level 5
20:57 <Loggers_VIII> I take everything back everyone should cast it all the time
20:58 <Loggers_VIII> evil should add that vanilla thing where you can break iron bars by hitting them with a hammer
20:59 <Umbire> wizards can literally spam haste self and rack up thousands of turns of "don't have to worry about speed boots"
20:59 <Umbire> esp. post-quest
20:59 <Loggers_VIII> that's true there's like no limit to stacking right
21:00 <tau_> oh i didn't know i could do that
21:00 <terrapin> YANI: slowing attacks remove temporary haste
21:01 <Umbire> it's also why potions of speed still have lategame applications in vanilla even during 3.4.3
21:01 <terrapin> i guess that's an old idea since it's how vanilla works
21:02 <Umbire> quaff a bunch on astral, stack up speed and then put on jumping boots 
21:03 <Loggers_VIII> YAOI?
21:03 <Loggers_VIII> wait
21:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:31253 (9:13:51)
21:04 <Umbire> lmao
21:09 <tau_> oh i have one question if anyone knows
21:09 <tau_> what's the best way to deal with bullwhip enemies?
21:09 <Imanity> Not be next to them
21:09 <tau_> they caused me a little bit of stress in gehennom
21:09 <Loggers_VIII> if you know attack spells the best defense is to just unwield your weapon
21:09 <Loggers_VIII> or have other ranged options
21:09 <tau_> its not so bad as a wizard but if i were a non-spellcasting role they seem like they'd be a big problem
21:10 <tau_> unwielding is a good idea
21:10 <tau_> thanks
21:10 <Umbire> nost especially, most if not all melee roles have some ranged capability
21:10 <Loggers_VIII> as a non-spellcasting role you can either burst them down quickly or unwield your weapon and punch them
21:10 <Umbire> logs is p. spot on though
21:12 <Loggers_VIII> it helps to know which mons have bullwhips. balrogs, horned devils, archeologists, etc
21:12 <Umbire> aye
21:12 <Umbire> prio accordingly
21:13 <Loggers_VIII> dwarvish monsters (including soldiers) can have bearded axes, which can yoink your shield. those always get me
21:14 <Loggers_VIII> deciding between forging a weapon with a nice oprop or a weapon with a nice material is so hard :(
21:15 <Imanity> Why not both?
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21:16 <Loggers_VIII> cause you only get the mat/oprop of the second item you select when forging
21:16 <Imanity> yes for mat, no for oprop
21:16 <Loggers_VIII> really???
21:17 <Imanity> when forging items using an object with a property, the forged object will inherit that property; if both objects have properties, the result will inherit the secondary object's properties.
21:17 <Loggers_VIII> crazy
21:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 4923 points, T:5210, killed by a hill orc
21:17 <Loggers_VIII> oh ffs
21:18 <Loggers_VIII> death by laziness
21:18 <Imanity> How are you killing gking as a pacifist?
21:18 <Imanity> Getting him low and letting a fully evovled pet get the finishing blow?
21:18 <Loggers_VIII> I'm not playing pacifist
21:18 <Imanity> Oh
21:18 <Imanity> no more suffering then xD
21:19 <Loggers_VIII> if someone could kill gk in two minutes as pacifist I would quit nethack because clearly we've all been outclassed at that point :P
21:19 <Imanity> yep lmao
21:19 <Imanity> Maybe possible with a pseudodragon tho. Those things are op
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:215 (0:00:42)
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed hammer", on T:216 (0:00:46)
21:21 <Imanity> early wand of wish?
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "dagger of frost", on T:217 (0:00:55)
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 mithril crossbow bolts", on T:219 (0:01:00)
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32445 (9:32:24)
21:22 <Loggers_VIII> oh no I was in explore mode
21:22 <Imanity> Oh
21:22 <Loggers_VIII> I wanted to test the forging thing to make sure I didn't do it wrong when I tried it in normal mode
21:22 <Imanity> good idea
21:22 <Imanity> wizmode is kind of outdated at this point
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21:22 <Imanity> months behind
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> that's crazy. I've had so many potential superweapons I threw away early game
21:23 <Umbire> 's not that outdated
21:23 <Imanity> Last release was in august
21:23 <dingotron> is there a way in-game to verify which monsters have been geno'd ?
21:23 <Umbire> not if you know how to compile anyway
21:23 <Imanity> Before the hidden dungeon
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> dingotron: #genocided
21:23 <dingotron> ah thx
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21:29 <dingotron> ooh a 'dragonhide jacket' I mean, not the most useful armor, but sounds like it would slay in a fashion show
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21:29 <Loggers_VIII> use it as your endgame dragon scaled armor
21:30 <Imanity> I found a dragonhide armor piece in the goblin town shop :)
21:30 <Imanity> But can't enter :(
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21:41 <Imanity> I thought gollum had custom dialogue for if he sees the player pick up or put on the one ring
21:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4956 (1:06:13)
21:45 <K2> no unfortunately
21:45 <Imanity> Would be cool
21:50 <dingotron> ugn lost my weapon again because gloves slid off... somewhere in last few hundred turns.
21:51 <dingotron> I am not enjoying the game mechanic of having to comb through ttrec's to try and figure out what happened to my main weapon
21:51 <dingotron> third time going through ttrec's this game for this
21:51 <Loggers_VIII> add a stop message for the gloves sliding out
21:52 <Loggers_VIII> *off
21:52 <Imanity> ^
21:52 <Imanity> I did it for bullwhip, and haven't had an issue since losing my weapon+shield in purg
21:52 <dingotron> K2 YANI could you pls make dropping your main weapon a stop message by default?
21:54 <K2> no. you can do that in your cfg easily
21:54 <K2> one-liner
21:54 <K2> use MSGTYPE alert
21:55 <dingotron> why would anyone not want that in their config?
21:56 <K2> because they arent aware?
21:56 <K2> i dont have it in mine
21:56 <K2> i also dont wear GoPur as a chaotic :)
21:56 <Umbire> lol
21:57 <dingotron> now you tell me
21:57 <Loggers_VIII> ftr I'd prefer if it wasn't in mine because I like to keep game-interrupting messages to a minimum
21:57 <Umbire> you were told about it before weren't you
21:57 <dingotron> but similar problem vs bullwhips or bearded axes. very easy to miss that message and be whacking away with bearhands without realizing it
21:58 <Imanity> You live and learn. Games being too handholdy is cringe
21:58 <dingotron> sifting through ttrecs is cringe
21:58 <Loggers_VIII> I mean, it's not really an issue of handholding
21:58 <Imanity> If it was baseline, that would be handholding
21:59 <Imanity> Allowing it in config is a nice option for those who want it
21:59 <Loggers_VIII> eh, having it in config is not something I particularly want but if it *was* baseline who cares really
21:59 <Imanity> dingotron I lost my HotG+Ashmar in Purg due to a bullwhip/broad bearded axe. Polymorphed with no other form of regen
21:59 <Imanity> You live and learn :)
21:59 <Loggers_VIII> dingotron do you use curses? that could help
22:00 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/k2.evilrc <--- some msgtype examples
22:00 <Loggers_VIII> the reason I don't have stop messages for bullwhips and axes and the like is cause with curses I notice the weapon in question leave my invv
22:00 <Loggers_VIII> *inv
22:01 <K2> ah
22:01 <dingotron> I do use curses, it's still easy to miss messages when a lot is going on
22:02 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I get it
22:02 <K2> you can do all sorts of things using MSGTYPE
22:02 <Loggers_VIII> MSGTYPE:alert will certainly catch your attention
22:02 <K2> stop is fine for a lot of things, but using alert forces you to stop and take notice
22:02 <K2> cant continue without hitting tab
22:02 <Loggers_VIII> plus it turns your screen red
22:02 <K2> si
22:02 <Loggers_VIII> if you have curses
22:04 <Loggers_VIII> msgtypes are cool. even though I said I like to keep gameplay interruption to a minimum, I still have a lot of stop messages for various things
22:04 <Loggers_VIII> menucolors are the best option though. love those
22:04 <dingotron> thanks K2 those are some good options there
22:04 <K2> o/
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22:10 <Imanity> Are there any plans on making it possible to eat corpses on the floor whilst riding?
22:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 stone gauntlets of power", on T:35628 (10:22:07)
22:12 <K2> no
22:12 <K2> i think vanilla behavior is fine
22:12 <K2> in that regard
22:13 <Imanity> Would be really useful
22:13 <Imanity> For intrinsic+stat corpses you can't pick up
22:13 <Imanity> giant corpses, red naga corpses, etc.
22:13 <K2> there's already a command for that
22:13 <K2> #ride
22:13 <Imanity> That reduces tameness for non-knights tho
22:13 <K2> then you can eat off the floor all ya want
22:14 <Imanity> need to eat from floor often too
22:14 <K2> i have no plans for changing that behavior
22:14 <Imanity> Oftentimes multiple corpses for each intrinsic
22:14 <Imanity> :/
22:16 <Imanity> Being able to loot from your steed as you ride would be cool too
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22:17 <terrapin> <Loggers_VIII> I mean, it's not really an issue of handholding <- it literally is :P
22:17 <Umbire> I just avoid riding if I feel I'm gonna be on-off constantly for a while
22:17 <Umbire> also what happened to handholding being cringe /hj
22:18 <Imanity> This isn't handholding. It's a feature
22:18 <Imanity> The equivalent of putting msgstop into config
22:18 <terrapin> i was referring to the "dropping wielded weapons" issue
22:18 <Imanity> Because there's no other way to do it without tanking your pet's tameness repeatedly
22:18 <Umbire> I know you were terrapin 
22:19 <terrapin> idk i think the riding differences are interesting---it shouldn't just be "walking but not"
22:19 <Imanity> It should be an upgrade to walking
22:19 <Imanity> Not walking with these weird restrictions
22:19 <Umbire> also I'd legitimately just stay off the steed for the duration, only have to lower steed tameness once if that
22:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "3 potions of holy water", on T:5244 (1:14:47)
22:20 <Imanity> You need to eat multiple corpses for each intrinsic Umbire
22:20 <Umbire> I know
22:20 <Umbire> so I eat what corpses I can before riding again
22:20 <Umbire> also tinning kits
22:20 <Umbire> if you happen across one
22:20 <Imanity> Tinning kits are reliant on RNG
22:21 <Imanity> Oftentimes, you don't. Especaily when you need one
22:21 <Imanity> There are no fire giant caves
22:21 <Imanity> It'll be 2-3 at a time, usually
22:21 <Imanity> Which isn't even enough to hit 100% resist
22:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:7522 (1:53:00)
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22:35 <NetSysFire> @e?spotted jelly
22:35 <Hecubus> spotted jelly (j) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 0 | Res: acid petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 0d6 passive acid | Align: 0 | genocidable, amorphous, breathless, mindless, passes-bars, vegan
22:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 10683 points, T:8286, killed by a gnomish watchman
22:39 <NetSysFire> trap door dropped me into minetown and they instaaggroed on me and had bad luck with placement of stairs
22:40 <Imanity> You landed on top of one?>
22:40 <Imanity> Oh youre convict, nvm
22:41 <NetSysFire> i am an illithid. how would they recognize my face?
22:41 <Imanity> Ikr. Covered in tentacles :D
22:42 <NetSysFire> YANI: if you are a convict, watchmen not your race have a reduced chance of spotting you
22:42 <NetSysFire> theres an irl phenomena called racial blindness or something like that
22:45 <Umbire> iono about writing that in
22:45 <Umbire> s/writing/baking 
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23:06 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/13468d07ca80...240c658afa97
23:06 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 240c658 - Fix: killing quest leader won't flag the quest as complete if they were killed while polymorphed.
23:08 <K2> ^ that commit is live
23:12 <Imanity> Seeing my steed eat feels so good
23:12 <Imanity> Like feeding a pet irl :)
23:14 <K2> heh
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23:23 <Loggers_VIII> 22:17 <terrapin> <Loggers_VIII> I mean, it's not really an issue of handholding <- it literally is :P <-- yeah idk what I was on about it totally is :P
23:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2399 (0:44:38)
23:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 1965 points, T:2744, killed by a giant bat
23:38 <Imanity> Do naturally occurring blessed items have a higher chance to be enchanted?
23:39 <Loggers_VIII> I'm almost certain the answer is yes
23:40 <Imanity> Same. Most times I pick a blessed weapon over an uncursed one, it's identified as positively enchanted
23:40 <Loggers_VIII> okay yeah blessed stuff has a WAY higher chance to be enchanted
23:42 <Loggers_VIII> blessed stuff has around a 35% chance to be +1 compared to uncursed stuff's ~4%
23:42 <Loggers_VIII> similar numbers for +2, +3 and so on
23:42 <Imanity> Damn
23:42 <Loggers_VIII> it's on the wiki in the generation section of the armor page if you're curious
23:43 <Imanity> I'll check
23:43 <Loggers_VIII> it also seems like cursed stuff can never naturally be above +0, which I was kind of surprised to learn but also I can't remember ever getting higher than +0 random cursed gear
23:43 <Loggers_VIII> never randomly generate with above +0, rather
23:44 <Imanity> Also means you shouldn't waste fountain dips on cursed weapons+armor, unless you absolutely need to
23:45 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
23:45 <Loggers_VIII> oh, an exception to the cursed gear won't be above +0 rule is HoOA, fumble boots, gauntlets of fumbling, and lev boots, which have a 1% chance to be positively enchanted, presumably to troll price-IDers
23:45 <Imanity> Yeah, base item will always trump enchantment
23:46 <Loggers_VIII> I do remember getting +4 gauntlets of fumbling once :)
23:46 <Imanity> I'm so paranoid when I try on rings, that I'll get the 10% chance for noncursed polymorph
23:46 <Imanity> xD
23:46 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I honestly don't ring ID past sinks and identify scrolls, there's a lot of variables
23:47 <Imanity> I usually price ID rings, especially if it has no equip effect
23:47 <Loggers_VIII> I think eventually I'll get good enough to do it but for now I'll stick to the sinks
23:47 <Imanity> Helps knowing what I should spend limited identify slots on
23:47 <Loggers_VIII> I have price ID'd free action/slow digestion before, those are pretty easy
23:47 <Imanity> yeah
23:47 <Loggers_VIII> and obviously the expensive ones
23:48 <Loggers_VIII> luckily all the other rings don't really matter at all so I don't worry about their prices :P
23:48 <Imanity> Even the cheap ones
23:48 <Imanity> Didn't find protection from shape changers last game until around vlad's tower, and was so scary in the rogue quest
23:48 <Imanity> Had an arch lich into vorpal a few times
23:49 <Loggers_VIII> pfsc can be surprisingly helpful sometimes
23:49 <Imanity> All that needs to happen, is one to change right next to me, and gg
23:49 <Loggers_VIII> hm, YANI: helms of telepathy give psychic res
23:49 <Imanity> It's pretty much mandatory in valley+vlad's for me. I name and ignore the vampire mages after they change back
23:49 <Loggers_VIII> at first I was gonna say there should be a ring of psychic res but I think that fits better
23:50 <Imanity> Would give it some usefulness in mid+lategame
23:50 <Loggers_VIII> pfsc is also kind of cool if you want to tame vlad
23:50 <Loggers_VIII> to keep him in vamp for
23:50 <Loggers_VIII> *form
23:50 <Imanity> Maybe worth eating the ring if you can
23:51 <Imanity> Vlad is a pretty formidable pet, but having to give up a ring slot kind of sucks
23:51 <Loggers_VIII> getting stuff that's rarely an intrinsic as an intrinsic is neat
23:51 <Imanity> ya, like tp or poly control
23:51 <Loggers_VIII> vlad is probably the best pet in the game but yeah the cost is the ring slot
23:51 <Imanity> especially when moving into a form without arms
23:52 <Loggers_VIII> I think it's fun that you can still wear amulets and rings as dragons
23:52 <Imanity> and hats too!
23:52 <Imanity> Would look so cute
23:52 <Loggers_VIII> really? didn't know that one
23:52 <Imanity> I think so
23:52 <Imanity> When I polymorphed into a black dragon as a priest, I think my hat stayed on
23:53 <Loggers_VIII> vorpal jabberwocks are surprisingly similar anatomically to humans as well
23:53 <Imanity> Shame they can't wear body armor tho
23:53 <Loggers_VIII> oh right
23:53 <Loggers_VIII> I only poly'd into one once when I was playing tortle so I didn't notice
23:53 <Loggers_VIII> it got me killed but it could have been really funny
23:53 <Imanity> Wiz came, right?
23:54 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
23:54 <Loggers_VIII> now that he can't steal your own quest arti, one of these days I'll play a tourist
23:54 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, same as regular jabberwocks
23:54 <Loggers_VIII> and vorpal jab it up
23:54 <Umbire> play one anyway you coward
23:55 <Imanity> Slotless is so good
23:55 <Loggers_VIII> :c
23:55 <Umbire> also check out the illustrations for Jabberwocky
23:55 <Loggers_VIII> I have, they are very charming
23:56 <Loggers_VIII> I love jabberwocks as monsters. they're kind of an obscure silly reference but the game still takes them seriously
23:56 <Loggers_VIII> 2d10 2d10 2d10 2d10? who are you?
23:57 <Noisytoot> in dnethack they are even stronger (3d10 as vanilla vorpal jabberwocks)
23:58 <Loggers_VIII> I wonder if vanilla will ever implement the deferred monsters. they're cool
23:58 <Noisytoot> (vanilla vorpal jabberwocks exist but are commented out)
23:58 <Imanity> Would they have the beheading effect in vanilla Noisytoot?
23:58 <Noisytoot> no
23:59 <Imanity> Sadge
23:59 <Imanity> Why call something vorpal when it doesn't behead :9
23:59 <Imanity> * :(
23:59 <Loggers_VIII> judging from the name that may have been the intention but of course they never got around to it