00:04 YASI: ring of non-resistance. If you're wearing it, none of your resistances work. 00:05 Because item identification isn't complicated enough already. 00:07 wtf xD 00:11 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:11 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 00:15 !tell dingotron. Yes, you lose acid resistance when forging GoP. Gotta find one of the other 6 sources 00:15 Will do, Imanity! 00:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1986 (0:31:27) 00:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a long sword entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:2337 (0:37:11) 00:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a gold axe entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:2978 (0:46:37) 00:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "erere", on T:3415 (0:50:22) 01:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:69391 (1 day, 1:55:08) 02:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 367 points, T:1422, killed by a water moccasin 02:21 it seems I hired hothraxxa as consultant, I hope his hourly zorkmid rate isn't too high... 02:23 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 646 points, T:1492, killed by a gnome zombie 02:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1713 (0:05:44) 02:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4361 (0:16:43) 02:44 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest4642 02:44 -!- Guest4642 has quit [Killed (cadmium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 02:44 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:45 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2969 02:45 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:45 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 6052 points, T:5555, killed by a hill orc 02:48 -!- Guest2969 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 336 points, T:1086, killed by a kobold, while fainted from lack of food 02:58 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:02 Found some dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity on Medusa 03:02 what a shame they'll go to waste 03:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:52326 (1 day, 2:45:01) 03:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:52356 (1 day, 2:47:30) 03:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 963 points, T:1858, killed by the Goblin King 03:35 he was invisible 03:35 He can generate with a wand, or loot one from the nearby chest 03:37 The chest doesn't have wands that I'm aware of, just gold, a ring and some gems 03:37 Ah 03:37 he's entirely capable of generating with a wand like normal monsters 03:37 Maybe could've been a ring of invis too 03:37 mhm 03:38 his difficulty rating also means a non-zero chance of a wand of death 03:42 "Its slime splashes onto it!" 03:42 something getting slimed out of sight 03:44 Idk how you've managed to keep Dagul alove so long 03:44 Mine died in votd last game I had one, killed by a vampire mage summoned angel 03:47 I've had to give him FH once already 03:47 He really needs a non-silver shield of reflection 03:48 maybe one of the A's will drop one 03:48 always a chance 03:48 I've managed to ascend with Dagul once I think 03:48 I'm pretty sure monsters will hold on to potions that they can use 03:48 So you can just prep a pet ahead of time and they'll use the item when the time's right 03:49 Haven't found gain energy yet, my FH situation is bad 03:49 makes sense 03:50 and easy for such a potion to get destroyed? 03:52 I'm used to my pets having bags 03:52 Situation there might be rough for you as well, though 04:00 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:02 urgh, I think a lot of zombies have been turned into slimes 04:02 Slimestorm xD 04:03 I get the feeling balrogs resist slime? 04:03 gotta hope so at least 04:07 Nope 04:07 Sliming isn't instant in Evil though, so you have time to throw lit oil or zap fire 04:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide cloak of displacement", on T:69844 (1 day, 2:52:49) 04:12 "Dagul puts on a mithril shield of reflection" 04:12 Pog 04:13 Umbire there was some "burned away" message or something 04:15 That means a monster unslimed itself with a fire source 04:15 Usually 04:15 What was the exact message? 04:15 I wouldn't put it past K2 to make balrogs fiery monsters or something (which does track with their source material kinda) 04:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:69850 (1 day, 2:57:32) 04:18 I would need to ttyrec to see the exact message, but it happened out of sight. Just had the feeling Dagul was fighting a green slime. 04:20 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/fbf818cbfc9bad2cdbdbb83669437b352e0e1150/src/muse.c#L4142 04:20 seems at a glance like Dagul actively cured itself 04:21 yay 04:24 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:26 I'm curious as to what it used more than anything, there's a few ways intelligent monsters can go about that 04:27 I checked to see if it had a wand of fire, but it didn't 04:28 might've had a scroll of fire 04:28 ah found it I think 04:29 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/dd0610d4591a2f63474f6bcba01d38b858189b92 04:32 yep, thought so 04:36 more people have said this, but it's slightly awkward you can't loot your pet whilst standing on a container 04:37 and if you stand on a grave the game thinks you want to loot the grave 04:37 ooh Ella the Wizard had an apron 04:39 I'm relying on Ashmar for acid res, so if want to use sword of kas against vecna an apron is just what I need 04:43 I finally thought of giving Dagul a ring of regeneration... 05:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:72159 (1 day, 3:47:17) 05:43 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 15535 points, T:7793, killed by a death ray 05:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 107 points, T:362, killed by a boulder 06:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 232 points, T:402, killed by a water moccasin 06:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 20 points, T:185, poisoned by a little dart 06:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1088 (0:08:34) 06:14 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 06:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1821 (0:19:36) 06:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) destroyed Disruptor's ghost, the former Brute, on T:5401 (1:12:36) 06:38 Wands of wishing can death drop, right? 06:40 Very rarely I imagine, but I think so 06:40 I don't see why not 06:40 Great 06:40 time for le vault guard farm :) 06:42 you're hoping a vault guard will drop a WoW? 06:42 Nah, need any death drops 06:42 amulets, rings, wands 06:42 random wows is so lame 06:42 But if he can drop /oW, makes it more valuable 06:43 i think the death drop chance is like 1% of the vanilla death drop chance 06:43 its like 0.01% or so 06:43 I will kill vault guard so many times it will not be random :) 06:43 oh you are farming vault guards? 06:44 better than applying the 8-ball 10 million times I suppose :-P 06:44 Yes stenno 06:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5929 (1:20:06) 06:44 neat 06:45 Never done it before, but feeling lucky 06:45 and need more loot xD 06:45 bleh farming 06:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +2 mithril helm of opposite alignment", on T:75624 (1 day, 5:18:31) 06:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:6970 (1:31:51) 06:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4501 (0:50:52) 07:11 Killed about 60 guards. Seems they don't death drop anything 07:11 Only their starting inventory 07:15 Correct 07:16 Did K2 change that, or is it vanilla behaviour? 07:16 Guard farming's done specifically for their starting items more than anything, and it's better to let strong enough pets or instakillers do the heavy lifting there to preserve alignment 07:17 I'm not sure 07:17 I wished for HooA, alignment means nothing to me 07:17 Well, are you killing the guards yourself? 07:17 yep 07:18 1/2shotting 07:18 And you saw nothing that couldn't be in their starting inventory? 07:18 Correct. Only wands, potions of gain level and scrolls of tp 07:18 Offensive potions started spawning now 07:18 Might be a K2 change, might not 07:19 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:25 Yeah this is a waste of time. Shitty potion+scroll drop rate 07:30 "Dagul is covered in frost! The frost doesn't seem to chill Dagul!" 07:30 haha, ring of cold res is working 07:31 take that master lich 07:31 xD 07:33 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:34 also, Dagul is now shooting all the arrows back at the mariliths in their iron cages 07:35 taste of their own medicine 07:35 Did you boulder fort the liches? 07:36 Guess not. Dagul does giga dmg 07:36 no, I put a boulder on the stairs so they couldn't heal 07:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:9615 (2:12:52) 07:37 Ah 07:38 yeah Dagul plus me with Angelslayer, good team work :-) 07:38 i didnt change death drops 07:38 Oh. Vault guards weren't death dropping anything 07:38 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Farming#Vault_guard_farming 07:38 Wiki implies you should be able to get death drops 07:38 Meaning they either don't normally or you're just terminally dogshit at RNG 07:39 I killed like 200 :P 07:39 Also emailed you about a bug I encountered K2 07:40 i see it 07:41 terrapin already whipped up a commit iirc 07:41 Nice 07:42 when? 07:43 I'm thinking of the Shadowblade thing actually 07:43 which bug are you talking about this time 07:43 I'll post in nethack variants 07:43 the bug Imanity emailed me about 07:43 as in what is that bug 07:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:10299 (2:19:30) 07:44 Sent screenshot in the channel Umbire 07:44 oh that 07:44 weird 07:45 Yeah, happoens when you summon and kill a few guards on their spawn point 07:45 *happens 07:46 K2, on a tangent, what line(s) in vanilla handle monsters pounding with polearms and the skill level they can hit at 07:46 mostly relevant to troll work but also somewhat curious about pets being given Tempest or something 07:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a giant leech), on T:8608 (1:49:21) 08:08 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10120 (2:07:27) 08:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:78121 (1 day, 6:43:43) 08:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:2696 (1:16:28) 08:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4044 points, T:3099, killed by a fire ant 08:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2606 points, T:2556, killed by a panther 08:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:32 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 08:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed Disruptor's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:1545 (0:05:53) 08:36 Umbire i dont know 08:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:78922 (1 day, 7:04:24) 08:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3436 points, T:3120, killed by a giant mosquito 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:12911 (2:33:55) 08:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:836 (0:03:56) 08:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1043 (0:05:01) 08:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 28088 points, T:13356, killed by a dwarf lady 09:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6158 points, T:3597, killed by an orcish dagger of frost 09:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 703 points, T:1601, killed by the Goblin King 09:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3005 (0:11:19) 09:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 7273 points, T:4745, poisoned by an orcish arrow 09:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1910 (0:07:12) 09:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:54168 (1 day, 5:13:40) 09:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3540 (0:16:16) 09:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:4146 (0:18:22) 09:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 7605 points, T:4520, killed by a wererat 09:51 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 09:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:82951 (1 day, 8:13:25) 09:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:83256 (1 day, 8:15:05) 09:59 Really didn't wanna give up protection but it is what it is 09:59 what are you gonna sac for 09:59 Was trying to sac to get out of my vault guard farming penalty 10:00 Considering I had about 12 points of protection, and only priest alive is in votd 10:00 -!- xdminsy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 10:03 But forst brand was one of the things I wanted. Now just need dragonbane 10:05 why did you turn lawful though? 10:06 To escape my alignment penalty 10:06 I tried sacrificing out of it for a while, but wasn't enough 10:10 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:13 it would have been enough eventually 10:14 Maybe when I'm 69 lol 10:14 how many guards did you kill even 10:15 Idk, about 150-20 10:15 *200 10:15 as chaotic the alignment loss is kind of negligible 10:15 ah 10:15 It's -15 10:15 yes that would do it :) 10:15 Didn't get much from it. They don't death drop 10:15 a single instance is negligible 10:15 Wand of death is pretty nice. Plane of air should be a breeze 10:15 several instances let alone a few hundred, not so much 10:15 I sacrificed a few hundred mobs to my god tho 10:16 Dragons and shit 10:16 But she didn't return my favor :( 10:16 should've kept goin, 12 prot loss is sad 10:16 Yeah, but oh well. Can just get 9 in valley 10:17 and polypile rings/pray for more protection 10:17 heya 10:17 kill cross-aligned monsters 10:17 Killed hundreds 10:17 Having some sort of alignment counter from enlightenment would be nice, when you're in the red 10:21 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:27200 (17:39:58) 10:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven tunic entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:85446 (1 day, 8:37:58) 10:21 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 10:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:38 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:39 not gonna be on so much today, work busier than usual 10:40 o7 10:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:88238 (1 day, 9:00:07) 10:46 a two-handed sword for the junk pile 10:46 Yes 10:46 Not even picking it up 10:46 oh and a tunic too 10:47 Just got 2 artifacts left I think 10:47 ogresmasher+dragonbane 10:47 I want dragon 10:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a bone knife entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:88850 (1 day, 9:07:31) 10:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:89764 (1 day, 9:14:02) 10:58 Wtf is this piece of shit 10:59 ah, another chaotic artifact 10:59 Convict first gift 10:59 did you get Secespita yet? 10:59 Yes, one of the first 11:00 that's out of the way then at least 11:00 I rather use my dick to beat mobs than luck blade xD 11:01 but you're a female rogue 11:01 :-P 11:01 that doesn't preclude dick-havingness 11:01 Exactly ;) 11:01 lol 11:01 though it's a poor use of dick regardless 11:02 No one expects it 11:02 No archons 11:02 no kirins 11:02 I think rogues prefer dirks to dicks anyway 11:02 Yep lol 11:04 speaking of, dollars to ~~dirks~~ dicks says there's at least one more artifact you didn't account for 11:04 angelslayer? 11:04 already dropped 11:06 chaotic or unaligned, either/or 11:06 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:06 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 11:06 chaotic or unaligned, either/or - genuinely wondering 11:07 What do you mean? 11:08 you missed a chaotic artifact, so non-zero chance you might've missed another 11:08 or an unaligned one 11:08 my mind's locked in mummy mode though so nothing's coming to mind immediately 11:08 maybe 11:08 it's just copium anyway, my fate lies with Lolth 11:11 God I love displacement 11:11 Especially vs spellcasters 11:13 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 11:19 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:21 K2 and co., material hate don't apply to undead, right? 11:21 doesn't* 11:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2010 points, T:1720, killed by a dart 11:36 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:36 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 11:47 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:56 Umbire correct, zombies & mummies don't inherit racial material hatreds 11:57 righto, just making sure 12:05 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 12:10 [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:56647 (18:32:01) 12:11 if I find the one i lost in a few turns (or at all) i'm gonna be pissed lol 12:12 i'm thinking it must have been a polypile accident 12:14 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 12:18 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest6087 12:18 -!- Guest6087 has quit [Killed (erbium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:19 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest1615 12:20 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:23 -!- Guest1615 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 12:26 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:26 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:41 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 12:50 [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided black dragons, on T:57710 (19:10:58) 13:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 22 points, T:190, killed by a lichen 13:16 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:20535 (4:52:39) 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 354 points, T:786, killed by falling down a mine shaft 13:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:33793 (18:30:10) 13:41 Even with -50 AC, feels like giant centipedes are weak 13:43 eh? :) 13:43 you mean strong? 13:43 Was discussing with Loggers a couple days ago about that mob 13:44 But even though I have 30 less AC 13:44 they feel puny 13:46 I think one did about 3 damage over the 5 turns they took to die 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1037 (0:08:54) 13:58 @e?giant centipede 13:58 giant centipede (s) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison | Confer: poison | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 6d8 bite drain str, 1d4 touch wrap | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, conceals, thick hide, oviparous 13:59 there is not that much of a difference between -50 and -80 AC 14:01 The only difference 14:01 was my hp bar moved 14:01 #makegiantcentipedesgreatagain :) 14:01 "wow this monster is so weak even at -50 AC" 14:01 -50 AC is nothing 14:02 That's almost vanilla level 14:02 sure 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:32254 (21:23:17) 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:60459 (20:26:11) 14:08 -50 AC is a lot 14:09 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:10 For vanilla, yes Noisytoot 14:10 my AC is -50 right now but i'm playing monk so no armor or shield 14:10 could be higher if i had more dragonhide 14:11 Exactly. 14:11 YASI: Dragonhideless conduct 14:12 I think some mobs just need a buff 14:12 A warning 5 monster should be challenging 14:12 to an endgame geared char 14:12 Not someone with dogshit gear like me 14:12 It is possible to get higher AC in EvilHack, but it is not necessary. 14:13 I know. I've gotten close to -100 before 14:13 (and much harder for certain roles/races like giants and monks) 14:13 the most egregious offenders of the high-warning thing are golems 14:13 You always have the choice to polyself 14:13 Ikr Loggers_VIII 14:13 polyself is lame though 14:13 Those iron golems die to a breath of water xD 14:14 Lame, but effective 14:14 what's the point of playing giant if you're just going to be a master mind flayer for 80% of the game 14:14 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3830 (0:35:49) 14:14 also conduct-breaking 14:14 It's more like 30% of the game 14:14 So much time is spent preparing 14:14 for a godlike gehennom 14:15 Getting to that point is the challenge 14:15 yeah, booooo 14:15 after that, you may as well have ascended already 14:15 giants are my favorite to play. i never even considered polyselfing tho lol 14:15 the difference between -50 and -80 AC is small, so it shouldn't be unexpected that monsters are not much more difficult at -50 than -80 14:15 Each to their own 14:15 anything lower than -40 is overkill 14:16 polyselfing also loses most of the advantages of giants (boulder throwing) 14:16 Exactly, it's a trade off 14:16 the issue with AC is how AC works anyway, not that there's anything particularly bad about how a lot of monsters are 14:16 you can also be engulfed 14:16 eh those are minor things compared to the massive downsides of no body armor 14:17 I considered breaking my polyform for plane of air 14:17 But that's where low AC shines 14:17 I got engulfed about 3 times 14:17 can you poly into a titan? those fly I think 14:17 you also lose the carrycap bonus 14:17 surrounded 24/7 14:17 Yeah, losing 125 aum kind of sucks 14:17 you can but spellcasting monsters are bad polyforms 14:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Ixoth, on T:22422 (5:25:15) 14:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22424 (5:25:19) 14:18 the whole point of polying into a non-engulfable form would be to run and not engage anything anyway 14:18 Yes. Not being slowed down 14:19 Wizard coming on the plane of air is really shitty 14:19 I love running through the planes it's so rewarding if you can move right 14:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:19 ye 14:19 wizard when you have the amulet is generally a downgrade 14:19 which I kind of like? it's interesting 14:19 makes you think a lil more about how to use pw 14:20 -50 AC means all physical damage is reduced by 1d50, -80 AC means it is reduced by 1d80. 14:20 Or even positioning 14:20 Getting engulfed right when he appears gives you time to prepare 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) returned The Magic Mirror of Merlin to King Arthur, completing his quest, on T:22649 (5:27:59) 14:20 by putting away items he can steal, re-equipping gear etc 14:21 Noisytoot An average of 10 less damage from each attack a turn is huge 14:22 the reason it's not a big increase is because most things don't do enough damage for that 10 less damage on average to matter all that much 14:22 Maybe not individually 14:22 But if you get nasties summoned around you 14:23 Adds up quick 14:23 The damage a given monster does in a given attack, cannot be reduced below zero. 14:24 negative damage, now there's an idea 14:24 get so much AC that monsters heal you upon hitting 14:24 lol 14:24 And if that takes you above max HP, it increases your max HP? Might be OP. 14:25 Although, if your max HP were an eight-bit signed value and could wrap around to negative, instantly killing you... that would balance it :-) 14:26 I'd kind of like to see a variant do that tbh 14:26 as an Experiment 14:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:93861 (1 day, 10:59:38) 14:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:93887 (1 day, 11:00:32) 14:28 Even an 8-bit signed value that could overflow to 0, would still make that situation a bit dicey. 14:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:94003 (1 day, 11:04:17) 14:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Tal'Gath, on T:94141 (1 day, 11:07:45) 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha), 4909 points, T:5495, killed by a gray unicorn 14:38 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:38 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:40 with half physical damage you can also get away with less AC of course 14:40 that rogue key probably gives you that Imanity? 14:41 It does 14:41 Maybe, but half physical comes from so many sources 14:41 also, rodney can't steal it from you anymore if it's your own arti which is nice 14:42 Imo damage should be balanced around it 14:42 Like meleeing lucifer. Very difficult without half spell 14:43 That's how fights witth the toughest monsters should feel 14:44 balancing the strong monsters around half damage I would kind of dislike. I think half damage is too powerful, leaves too much of a gap between people who have it and people who don't 14:44 it sometimes been suggested we need a "6" warning category 14:44 * it has 14:44 Filled with harder monsters? 14:45 hackem has some extremely hard golem hitters btw 14:45 or moving some into that category 14:45 yeah 14:45 both 14:45 like elder minotaur 14:45 I agree. Beholders would definitely fit there 14:45 Maybe some harder non-uniques too 14:46 I am fine with the non-unique monster difficulty in evilhack 14:47 they keep me on my toes but not every encounter is boss-level or anything 14:47 Maybe could experiment with an optional branch 14:47 of harder mobs, and see how ppl find it 14:48 seems kind of forced. I think you could get away with adding more dangerous mobs throughout the game, but would just have to be really careful with it 14:49 This would allow the balancing to be tweaked 14:49 evilhack's balance is a bit precarious at the moment imo 14:49 In what way? 14:49 Artifacts are definitely op 14:49