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(www.adiirc.com)] 03:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45768 (14:47:59) 03:54 First smoky potion of the game gives a wish :) 04:02 woohoo! 04:10 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Neu), 691 points, T:1663, killed by a wand 04:11 They're sleeping too, so not very easy to find 04:11 That's lucky. 04:12 yeah 04:12 I remember blessed smoky potion have better chance to give a wish than fountain dipping. 04:12 At least until you get a few djinni 04:13 Oh wow the falloff seems to be way further off than I thought 04:14 You'd need dozens of djinni before reaching the chance of a wish from a high up fountain 04:16 Yesterday I quaff xnethack fountains and almost all fountains vanish after one or two dips. 04:16 I'm not sure if it was I'm unlucky :P 04:16 Must make excal dipping a pain 04:16 Fairly sure that was the case 04:16 Oftentimes if I found a smoky potion early on, I would bless it and quaff. 04:17 Quaffing from a fountain doesn't poof it if it's magic but sometimes you can't tell for sure unless you get a definite message 04:24 Why is level 2 spell failure rates for rogue, 10% higher than vanilla? Level 1 spell failure rate is the same according to http://nethack.gridbug.de/spells.html, and I don't have any metallic gear on 04:25 Even accounting for the changes in spell levels, comparing detect food and detect monsters, gives 37% according to the calculator 04:25 as opposed to 47% for my playthrough 04:28 what body armor are you wearing? 04:28 Body armor of any kind increases spell failure in Evil 04:28 Posted in nethack variants 04:29 I thought that didn't kick in until higher levels 04:29 Like lvl 4+ 04:29 Guess I'll be thinking about crystal plate mail this game 04:30 "Crystal Plate Mail is the only body armor that does not incur a spell casting penalty when worn" 04:30 could test by taking your body armor off 04:30 Yeah, that reduces spell failure rates 04:31 Hope I'll be able to cast identify at skilled with 0% failure rate, even with my body armor on 04:39 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Law), 2732 points, T:3723, killed by a lesser homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:52 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 05:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:47989 (23:00:53) 05:12 oi mobileuser, anything you think urgently needs wiki documentation but isn't a Whole Thing 05:13 magic chests fall into the Whole Thing category? 05:14 Unfortunately so, there's a redirect to a bunch of magic chest implementations in different variants 05:14 That and it's been long enough since I freed up a file that I haven't had time to play with it directly 05:15 If you feel confident enough about magic chest knowledge I can work around the former 05:15 then I can't think of anything urgent at the moment 05:15 I can at least lay a foundation of sorts 05:16 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Container#Magic_chest which implementation do you think Evil's closest to 05:16 probably Dynahack 05:17 Right 05:17 so they're dungeon features then? 05:17 or physical objects? 05:17 can't remember 05:18 dungeon features 05:18 and the special keys can ONLY open the magic chest? 05:19 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/bfa17cf54d27f627d3321c406da54d76f08ede2a 05:19 there are many commits but 05:19 this one has probably the best text 05:20 the magic keys can be used as regular keys for regular containers (so not crystal chest / iron safe) 05:21 oh actually even that text is not up-to-date 05:22 maybe I'll write something myself down later based on player experience 05:22 Right, which is why I wanna lay a foundation now (mention it where people would be looking for magic chests already) 05:25 and that much's done 05:26 thanks! 05:26 np 05:27 does evil's article mention... 05:27 ah nope 05:27 I'll leave that to K2 if/when he gets some time 05:28 yeah or maybe I'll have a stab at adding something to the evil page 05:37 hmm the page could use a "dungeon features" section that could also have forge as subsection 05:39 I'll keep it simple and add something to the "containers and tools" section 05:41 Ye 05:41 that works 06:03 added a bare-bones entry for later expansion 06:04 +1 06:04 now I wonder which variants have crystal chests 06:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Lolth, on T:48582 (16:33:35) 06:06 That was quick 06:06 3 prayer effects which gave absolutely nothing, into crowning 06:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create Shadowblade, on T:48812 (16:40:46) 06:29 Twoweapon is so fun :) 06:29 Never used before in any other variant or vanilla 06:31 so nice that you can dual-wield artifacts 06:31 Ikr 06:31 Got shadowblade and fire brand atm 06:31 at least rogue can get enough skill to overcome most weight restrictions 06:32 for some roles with only basic twoweapon it sucks... 06:32 Yeah, having to use gauntlets of power removes any choice 06:35 Does twoweapon benefit from each individual weapon's skill? 06:41 effective skill is the worst of individual weapons and twoweapon skill 06:43 Alright 06:44 Shadowblade isn't draining life either :/ 06:44 oops 06:45 as main weapon or when 2-weaponing? 06:45 Either 06:45 sounds like a bug 06:47 !tell K2 Shadowblade isn't draining life when used as a primary weapon, nor during 2h combat. Tested against leprechauns and guiardian nagas, who aren't drain resistant 06:47 I'm on it, Imanity. 06:52 -!- arahael_ has joined #evilhack 06:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:49999 (17:20:12) 06:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:50000 (17:20:15) 06:55 Hmm. Magical boots. Not fumbling. Not kicking, I think. Not levitation. What else could it be? 06:57 Dark elven, elven 06:57 Speed, jumping 06:58 Not speed. Didn't try jumping! 06:58 They're mud boots. 06:58 It's randomized 06:58 Nope, not jumping. 06:58 Yeah, but they're not elven, that's what I mean. 06:59 Could be dark elven 06:59 Hmm, how do I test for that? And what's teh special thing about them? (Because it isn't speed) 06:59 More AC, don't take them into light 06:59 Just got a scroll of id just now... But I think that'd be a waste. 07:00 It would be. Dark elven boots are kind of weak 07:00 It's only 1 unit of AC. 07:00 Until you find a cursed magic lamp 07:00 Even in dark corridors. 07:00 They're good in the dark 07:01 But in light, you'll have a 1/16 chance of destroying them each time you're hit 07:01 Interesting. 07:01 I think they're not dark even, though, because in the corridors I still only get 1 AC. 07:01 Their AC is baseline 07:01 Hmm? 07:02 it only suffers from vulnerability to light when not in dark 07:02 No change in AC 07:02 Dark elven boots also give stealth and 2 AC 07:02 So can't be those 07:03 Must be one of the 3 you overlooked 07:03 *2 07:03 Hmm. 07:03 Perhaps I didn't test kicking effectively. 07:03 If they are kicking, they suck 07:03 dark elven boots are made of spider silk 07:03 I don't think that breaks in the light? 07:03 Oh you're right 07:04 Thought was adamantine 07:04 > Your clumsy kick does no damage. 07:04 That can't be kicking, then? 07:04 If they're not speed or jumping, do you really want them? 07:04 or levitation 07:05 Not particularly, but at T:1128, they're not that bad. 1 AC is still 1 AC. 07:05 If they're not cursed, may as well wear them 07:05 water walking? 07:05 Forgot about that 07:05 Yeah, perhaps they are indeed waterwalking. 07:05 Could be 07:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:50463 (17:32:26) 07:07 all boots have their uses 07:08 esp. since you're not reliant on solely that slot for very fast speed like 3.6.7 07:08 To stop tripping over cockatrice corpses, sure 07:08 And to distract from the lack of pants. 07:08 (and even there you can stack a ton of haste self as a sufficiently powerful caster) 07:08 Then you pick jumping 07:16 Found another magical boots. 07:16 +3 jumping boots! 07:19 Pog 07:20 Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Plus I think I can now jump away from enemies whenever I'm in a tight situation. 07:20 Unless they've grabbed me I guess. 07:20 [backscroll] there is no livelog message for making kathryn the enchantress peaceful if you made her angry prior 07:20 K2: Message from Imanity at 2023-12-12 06:47 EST: Shadowblade isn't draining life when used as a primary weapon, nor during 2h combat. Tested against leprechauns and guiardian nagas, who aren't drain resistant 07:22 hmm wow 07:22 wonder what happened 07:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 681 points, T:1987, killed by a bolt of cold 07:23 D'oh. Unless I'm taken out by a random wand. Yep. G'night! 07:23 gnite 07:23 Don't often see those on the goblin king's level. 07:23 gn o/ 07:23 yeah theyre kinda rare 07:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4457 (2:02:03) 07:26 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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I thought barb had skill in like everything 09:38 no lol 09:38 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:38 damn :( 09:38 TIL 09:39 and I've already done all the other centaurs that do have polearm skill 09:39 well except priest BUT 09:39 they can only use the hammer type 09:39 Priests get to weaponise their suffering 09:40 and use to smite enemies :) 09:40 priests can just use mjollnir for the whole game lol 09:40 if you wanna get fancy you can hotg 09:40 but centaur priest with tempest would be extra fun 09:40 unless you are poor drow 09:40 make tempest a lucern hammer K2 09:41 mkaythx 09:41 lol 09:41 xD 09:41 i picked halberd because of its damage output 09:41 its the bestest 09:41 halberd is just the coolest too 09:41 just add some artifact bonus dice :-) 09:41 :P 09:41 reimplement thunderfist :P 09:42 omg THUNDERFIST 09:42 that sounds so awful 09:42 it sounds baller 09:42 blessed greased thunderfist 09:42 just not a polearm-y name 09:43 devteam needs to add a new artifact to vanilla 09:43 and remove trollsbane 09:48 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin pushed 1 commit to shadowblade-fix [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/2aa336648aef 09:48 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 2aa3366 - Fix: Shadowblade drain life attack not triggering 09:48 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin created branch shadowblade-fix - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack 09:51 K2, can all monsters with polearms pound at Skilled range, or just trolls? 09:53 Asking re: vanilla 09:53 not sure 09:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven spear entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:53879 (19:53:45) 09:55 mthrowu seems to indicate it's 'universal' and not troll-specific 09:55 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin opened pull request #165: Fix: Shadowblade drain life attack not triggering - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/165 10:00 "You feel charismatic!" Just went up from 3 to 4! 10:01 Your charisma is 4 (current; base:7, limit:16) 10:01 hmm 10:01 excellence armor get cursed? 10:02 interesting... 10:02 I dragon scaled it 10:02 so the prop went away 10:02 BUT 10:02 it now seems to cause -4 cha 10:03 ^ K2 weird bug? 10:03 lemme take it off... 10:04 taking it off makes no difference, but could still be a weird permanent effect of dragon-scaling excellence armor 10:05 oh boy 10:05 is your cha actually -4? 10:05 or did it just drop it by 4 10:05 yeah 10:05 I went from 7 to 3 10:05 the armor in question, was it +4 ? 10:05 now boosted to 4 :-) 10:05 yes 10:06 well that's shitty 10:06 no 10:06 no? 10:06 when you dragon scale armor, it removes any obj prop it had 10:07 yes 10:07 so going from 7 to 3, that was supposed to happen 10:07 no, I'm talking base cha 10:07 (current; base:7, limit:16) 10:07 it says mobileuser's base is 7 but he has less 10:07 ok 10:08 I wonder what happens if I quaff restore ability 10:08 so what was your cha when wearing that armor before dragon scaling it 10:08 well when it was only +1, I had 8 as expected 10:08 right 10:08 didn't pay attention after that 10:09 so at +4 your cha would have been 11 10:09 yeah must have been 10:09 so seeing 7 now would be normal 10:09 that's the base 10:09 yup 10:09 did it go lower than that? 10:10 i'm asking all these questions because i'm trying to get all the data points before i troubleshoot it 10:10 well I can't be 100% sure that I didn't get a weird effect from a throne, although I normally don't miss those messages 10:11 did your cha go below 7 when you dragon scaled your armor? 10:11 I didn't pay attention 10:11 ok 10:11 i'll play with it on the wizmode box 10:12 not really caring about cha, just puzzled :-) 10:12 i gotcha 10:12 restore ability fixes throne shenanigans 10:12 yeah I could try restore ability, but I want to save that potion 10:13 you ugly 10:13 extremely 10:13 battle scarred 10:19 darn it. magic trapped tamed one of the wraiths 10:20 is there penalty for eating former pet? 10:20 no 10:20 never has been, the penalty for cats/dogs is monster-specific 10:23 saccing former pet is a different story 10:23 if you want to be literal, charisma isnt if you're ugly or good looking, it's 'a personal quality of presence or charm that others find compelling' 10:23 comeliness (sp) is your looks 10:23 nah, I'm ugly :-P 10:24 his orangeness is very charismatic, but is ugly as fuk 10:24 mobileuser noooo 10:24 which proves charisma is in the eye of the beholder 10:24 can be yeah 10:25 charisma impacts whether the game insults you or not when you try and name yourself 10:26 goes from calling you an ugly creature to a handsome one 10:26 heh 10:26 kind of two-faced to be honest 10:26 early ad&d days, charisma score embodied both your charm and your looks 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Mon Gia Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:38801 (20:50:04) 10:27 it was split into two different values in later additions 10:27 argh 10:27 makes sense 10:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:29 editions 10:29 not additions 10:29 jeeez 10:29 -!- dingotron has joined #evilhack 10:39 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:55477 (20:47:09) 10:47 Finally holy fuck 10:47 me and Croesus playing ring around the boulers 10:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:49378 (1 day, 0:09:17) 10:51 heh 10:52 AshCARL 10:52 \o/ 10:52 woohoo! 10:53 Imanity we'll have a fix for shadowblade and drain attack in later today/tonight 10:53 Ty 10:53 terrapin has a fix, just needs some review 10:53 Will it be live around then too? 10:53 yeah 10:53 nice 10:53 thats what i meant 10:53 it'll be live 10:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) wished for "blessed mithril magic lamp", on T:49417 (1 day, 0:13:32) 10:54 nice 11:00 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 11:03 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:19871 (12:08:35) 11:17 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 11:23 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a wakizashi entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:20816 (12:28:58) 11:25 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:37491 (1 day, 1:16:21) 11:28 O - an uncursed thoroughly burnt +0 pair of water walking boots (15 aum). 11:28 \o/ 11:28 \o/ 11:28 jesus sandals 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed magic marker", on T:37491 (1 day, 1:17:54) 11:28 reached medusa without water crossing 11:28 saved up 48 boulders but now don't need them 11:29 also found the ice queen realm without any unlocking :( 11:30 there's a guaranteed wand of opening in the votd 11:31 cool. if i survive that far... 11:31 i polyed many spellbooks and wands to no avail 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 4536 points, T:4002, killed by an owlbear 11:45 nurse, riding a leocrotta 11:45 you must be kidding 11:47 it seems i must have been confused by the first giant mummy i killed because i thought it dropped a mummy wrapping, but none of the ones since have droppped one 11:48 killed several now and been watching carefully 11:53 giant-sized mummy wrapping? 11:53 i've wanted that for a long time! 11:53 well my complaint was i couldn't wear the mummy wrapping that a giant mummy dropped 11:54 but now i think another mummy dropped it 11:54 at the time i was permanently invisible and in minetown so i needed the wrapping 11:54 giants cant wear wrappings (yet) 11:55 thinking of making YUGE wrappings for next version 11:55 Yeah that's a 3.7ism that K2's still thinking on 11:55 (and also a Hack'EM-ism I figure) 11:55 awesome awesome awesome 11:55 in the meantime, find a cursed wand of invis and zappy zap yourself with it 11:55 oh, but did he think about zombies making pits when you bury them and they revive? 11:55 nooooo 11:56 p. sure he did 11:56 yup i did. no cchange necessary 11:56 yeah that's cool that the wand works that way. I always forget! 11:56 also those just let you wear regular size mummy wraps rather than whatever K2 may or may not be plotting 11:56 how does one climb out of the ground and not leave a pit behind? smh 11:56 do trolls dig themselves out? 11:56 I imagine it as being full coverage for medium et. al. monsters and Just Enough Coverage for giants 11:56 i thought not 11:57