00:04 <arahael> I'm neutral.
00:05 <arahael> Don't have the HooA either anyway.
00:05 <arahael> Actually special loot has been scarse in this game so far.
00:05 <Imanity> What do you mean by special loot?
00:05 <Imanity> magic lamps and randomly generated artifacts?
00:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:62061 (16:27:53)
00:18 <arahael> Imanity: Yes, anything other than regular food, regulaur weapons, and regular armour.
00:19 <arahael> Would normally have more rings, and everything at the moment. As it is, to polypile my rings, I'm going to have to use my last scroll of charging to recharge my only poly wand.
00:19 <Imanity> Sounds like a rough game
00:19 <arahael> It is a bit. :)
00:23 <arahael> Hmm, found a bone helm of speed. That gives options.
00:24 <arahael> I already wished for an oilskin helm, however, I can wear either as appropriate, I guess.
00:29 <arahael> *sigh*.  Made a stupid mistake!
00:29 <Imanity> What was it?
00:29 <arahael> Found my aligned altar. Dropped 15 potions of water on it to make holy...
00:29 <arahael> Forgot I was levitating.
00:29 <Imanity> :(
00:32 <arahael> On the plus side, I just made unholy water.
00:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide boots of speed", on T:16163 (2:18:36)
00:35 <Imanity> 7 AC. Not bad
00:36 <arahael> Yeah, dragonhide is a huge boost. I'm tempted tow ish for that, but I now have helm of speed - which isn't going to be that great once I get down past the valley - and dragonhide low boots.
00:36 <Imanity> Can always make them jumping boots
00:36 <arahael> Yeah, I want to wear my oilskin helm though.
00:36 <arahael> +3, fireproof and all, and was a wish.
00:36 <Imanity> Sounds like speed boots are better in the long run then
00:37 <arahael> They generally are.
00:37 <arahael> oilskin helm is the only thing that really protects against those undead mindflayers.
00:37 <arahael> (Could use a LOT of grease, I guess)
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00:37 <Imanity> If you want to maintain polyselfless
00:37 <arahael> I tend to.
00:37 <Imanity> mmf polyform is one of the best if you don't
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00:38 <arahael> I think after this game I'll play illithid again. :)
00:38 <arahael> illithid wizard is a lot of fun.
00:38 <Imanity> One of the most powerful role/race combos
00:38 <Imanity> imo
00:38 <arahael> For sure.
00:38 <arahael> And you have the eye.
00:38 <Imanity> ye
01:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1444118 points, T:63508, killed by brainlessness
01:02 <Imanity> !lastgame tau
01:02 <Hecubus> Imanity: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tau/evilhack/dumplog/1700954762.evil.html
01:02 <Imanity> No boulder fort?
01:04 <arahael> Those alhoons are why I want to wear the oilskin helm.
01:04 <Imanity> It's why I poly into mmf
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01:21 <arahael> Multiple approaches to dealing with alhoons, I guess.
01:21 <arahael> I don't particularly want to poly into mmf, anyway.
01:51 <Imanity> Yes
01:52 <Imanity> Bareback facetanking their tentacles is definitely not one of them xD
01:53 <arahael> I did that in Balder's Gate 3.  My team (who are also controlled by me), and myself, were disgusted. :)
01:54 <arahael> The AI never spoke of it again.
01:54 <Imanity> lol
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03:07 <hackemslashem> Has anyone ever had an mplayer sacrifice the amulet on them in evilhack? I know it can happen, just have never heard any horror stories
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05:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:26090 (4:42:12)
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06:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Issek, on T:30054 (5:17:08)
06:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Issek, on T:30416 (5:18:57)
06:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) had a blessed pair of speed boots entrusted to her by Issek, on T:31425 (5:24:17)
06:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) had a blessed bone heavy war hammer entrusted to her by Issek, on T:32701 (5:29:46)
06:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Issek, on T:33300 (5:34:58)
06:40 <Imanity> Well that was quick
07:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una), 16 points, T:71, killed by a water moccasin, while praying
07:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:35794 (6:08:10)
07:14 <arahael> THis is a difficult game.
07:15 <arahael> So I have an empty wand of poly. And an empty wand of cancellation.
07:15 <arahael> I have to pick which I want.
07:15 <arahael> I think the poly, in case I get that ring.
07:15 <arahael> In case it gets me that ring.
07:15 <Imanity> Why do you have to choose?
07:15 <arahael> On the other hand, cancellation can fix my levitation boots and give me an extra FOUR ac as a result.
07:15 <Imanity> Oh, polypiling
07:16 <arahael> Imanity: Because I have only one scroll of charging.
07:16 <Imanity> How are you polypiling?
07:16 <arahael> The only means of polypiling I have is with that wand.
07:16 <Imanity> I mean what method
07:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1583 (0:08:23)
07:16 <arahael> I'm thinking mass bless. Stack rings in piles of 4, and zap.
07:17 <Imanity> 5 piles of 2 is better
07:17 <Imanity> Or shuddering will remove far more
07:17 <arahael> I have 20 rings.
07:17 <Imanity> Good
07:17 <Imanity> You should have at least 4 charges on your wand
07:18 <arahael> Will the wand reach 5 squares?
07:18 <Imanity> It can reach up to 5 squares
07:18 <Imanity> If you run out of charges, you can farm or write another scroll
07:19 <arahael> I don't have a magic marker.
07:19 <Imanity> But if you waste rings, you're gonna be stuck farming for a long time
07:19 <Imanity> Not even from ice queen/Talgath?
07:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1972 (0:11:11)
07:19 <arahael> Ice queen gives markers now!?
07:19 <Imanity> There is a chance
07:19 <Imanity> 10 or 20%
07:19 <arahael> I've never had a marker from her.
07:20 <Imanity> It's fairly rare
07:20 <Imanity> but possible
07:20 <arahael> I've had a marker from the goblin king's chest before, but that's it, the only time I've ever had a marker in evil (that wasn't from bones)
07:20 <Imanity> I've had a marker from all 4 places
07:20 <Imanity> not in 1 game
07:20 <Imanity> but across separate
07:20 <arahael> I'm considering wishing for a marker.
07:21 <Imanity> It's always an option
07:21 <Imanity> I usually many my 5rh or 6th wishes and onwards, markers
07:21 <Imanity> *make my
07:22 <arahael> There's other things I'd love to wish for though.
07:22 <Imanity> Like what?
07:22 * arahael guestures at... everything...
07:22 <Imanity> xD
07:23 <arahael> dragonhide robe and dragonhide speedboots would be nice.
07:23 <arahael> Amulet of flying would be nice, but that might well turnup, and there's still the pegasus.
07:23 <Imanity> How are you getting acid resistance?
07:23 <arahael> I'm a monk.
07:23 <Imanity> Oh, so intrinsically
07:23 <Imanity> didnt think monks got that
07:23 <arahael> Monks get basically verything.
07:23 <arahael> *everything
07:23 <Imanity> I'm jealous xd
07:24 <Imanity> Barely had 100% poison resist when I got crowned
07:25 <arahael> I need to get 3 more XL actually and then ice queen won't be that dangerious - as I'll have intrinsic water walking.
07:27 <arahael> I have... 7 scrolls of enchant weapon, though. Hmm.
07:28 <Imanity> You could always spend that last wish on a spellbook of polymorph
07:28 <Imanity> But idk if you'll have the spellpower regen
07:29 <Imanity> to keep it up without losing sanity
07:29 <arahael> Polymorph is a bit out of my reach.
07:29 <arahael> Even in vanilla, I can only cast that %2 of the time successfully.
07:29 <arahael> Or something like that.
07:30 <Imanity> You need +5 HoB, and ideally a robe
07:30 <Imanity> unless wizard
07:30 <arahael> That's with a robe.
07:30 <Imanity> what's your wis/int?
07:31 <Imanity> whichever affects your casting success rate wiith your role
07:31 <arahael> Int:12, Wis:15
07:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una), 3268 points, T:4294, killed by a soldier ant
07:32 <Imanity> that's way too low to even consider casting a level 6 spell
07:32 <Imanity> Should be at racial max, then add a +5 HoB
07:33 <arahael> Right.
07:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a kobold zombie, on T:36663 (6:27:47)
07:33 <Imanity> poly traps are so fun fuck me
07:33 <Imanity> someone come klll me irl I hate having no mr
07:35 <arahael> You've not done your quest!?
07:35 <Imanity> Abused alignmed earlier
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07:35 <Imanity> So very risky
07:35 <arahael> Ah, yeah, that gets tricky.
07:35 <Imanity> What I do is bring a tame dragon to quest leader later on
07:35 <Imanity> And have him make friends
07:35 <Imanity> ez
07:37 <arahael> Yeah, I think I need to go back to the valley, and get at least 3 more wraiths. And hopefully the ice queen's branch will have some more good loot.
07:37 <Imanity> Usually does
07:44 <arahael> I've lost my cancellation - hopefully I put it in the magic chest.
07:45 <arahael> (Empty anyway)
07:49 <arahael> Why are these wraiths not following me!?
07:49 <Imanity> Youre invisible
07:50 <arahael> No I am not.
07:50 <Imanity> Idk then
07:50 <Imanity> I go watch
07:51 <mobileuser> do you have a stethoscope to check?
07:52 <mobileuser> could be temporary invisibility
07:52 <Imanity> It is following you
07:52 <arahael> I used enlightment, but the stetho also helps.
07:52 <arahael> Yeah, this one follows.
07:52 <arahael> But hte other two upstairs aren't.
07:52 <Imanity> Maybe this one's head isnt broken xD
07:52 <mobileuser> they could be scared
07:52 <Imanity> Happens with wraiths
07:53 <mobileuser> again, stetho will tell you :-)
07:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:3279 (0:22:01)
07:54 <arahael> Ah, it's blind.
07:57 <arahael> Crap.
07:57 <arahael> That looks like it came from my magic chest?
07:57 <mobileuser> uh oh did you forget to lock it?
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07:59 <arahael> Indeed.
07:59 <Imanity> rip
08:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Gollum, on T:4095 (0:28:06)
08:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5867 (0:36:15)
08:10 <arahael> Kind of annoying, I now have invis.
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08:11 <Imanity> Curse a wand of invis
08:11 <Imanity> and make yourself visible
08:12 <arahael> Oh, nice.
08:12 <mobileuser> also, how did you become invisible? it could be temporary
08:12 <arahael> Magic trap.
08:13 <mobileuser> not sure about the current rules for that one...
08:13 <arahael> Either way, it'll last a while.
08:15 <arahael> I seem to have unicorn horns in abundance.
08:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una), 9347 points, T:6636, killed by a giant ant
08:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una), 4 points, T:65, killed by a jackal
08:16 <mobileuser> I think that one is permanent, but it can be toggled by stepping on a magic trap again
08:16 <mobileuser> or zapping cursed invis at self
08:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Pri Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:39696 (7:15:29)
08:23 <arahael> Found a geno scroll.
08:24 <arahael> Woah, I killed a wraith on the castle level - and it left a corpse.
08:25 <arahael> I killed it because it had a wand of cancellation - and it had two charges left!
08:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1366 (0:07:08)
08:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1671 (0:09:18)
08:30 <arahael> "You feel unsinkable"
08:32 <mobileuser> \o/
08:33 <hackemslashem> You can polypile for magic markers right?
08:33 <Imanity> No
08:33 <hackemslashem> No?  Because the prob is 0?
08:33 <Imanity> Yes
08:33 <Imanity> Removed from the random drop pool
08:33 <Imanity> and the polypile pool
08:33 <hackemslashem> I was just looking at the original commit and it said you still could
08:34 <arahael> "You feel limber".
08:34 <Imanity> According to the wiki, you can't
08:34 <hackemslashem> That was a while ago though
08:34 <Imanity> ye
08:34 <hackemslashem> 4 years, 8 months, a whilst ago!
08:35 <hackemslashem> Hmm, they are still being handled in polyobj, but the new marker is just set to recharged
08:36 <arahael> Does this mean I can now eat 'trices?
08:36 <Imanity> Does that mean you can poly for a recharged marker?
08:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2105 points, T:2864, diseased by an orc zombie, while praying
08:38 <hackemslashem> I can't say, but I don't see any commits that explicitly prevent it yet
08:38 <Imanity> Sounds op if you can
08:39 <mobileuser> also a big surprise if you can
08:39 <K2> shouldnt be able to, prob is 0
08:40 <arahael> "You feel firm"
08:40 <mobileuser> "Also, because they do not generate randomly, you cannot polypile for one."
08:40 <mobileuser> yeah
08:40 <hackemslashem> Ok, mkobj looks like it checks the prob, I suspected as much
08:40 <arahael> K2: I understand why you nerfed the wraiths in the vecna level...  The valley wraiths are insane.
08:41 <Imanity> Love seeing purple Ls in my castle :)
08:44 <arahael> "You stiffen briefly" - what does htat mean?
08:44 <K2> you were about to be paralyzed but have free action
08:45 <arahael> I do not have free action, though.
08:46 <arahael> "You feel hale" - and I haven't even done the vecna level.
08:54 <arahael> I think I'm ready to take on the ice queen branch now.
08:57 <K2> arahael if you got that msg 'stiffen briefly' yes you have free action
08:57 <K2> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Ring_of_free_action#Messages
08:58 <arahael> K2: The only ring I am wearing is a ring of slow digestion.
08:58 <hackemslashem> Orange dragon scales?
08:58 <K2> there are other sources of free action in evilhack
08:58 <arahael> hackemslashem: Not wearing armour.
08:59 <arahael> What are the other sources?
08:59 <arahael> And how can I check?
08:59 <K2> shield of mobility
08:59 <K2> orange dragon scaled armor
09:00 <arahael> No shield. No armour.
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09:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:48514 (21:54:03)
09:05 <mobileuser> "stiffen briefly" could also be from MR?
09:07 <Loggers_VIII> yes, if you have MR then the "paralyze" monster spell is set to 1 turn as if you had free action
09:08 <mobileuser> still, no free action is playing with fire
09:08 <arahael> Ok that's confusing.
09:09 <arahael> I've not found free action yet.
09:09 <arahael> I'm hopign to find something in the ice queen's branch.
09:09 <mobileuser> wish for it :-)
09:09 <mobileuser> otherwise, watch out for those revenants
09:10 <arahael> I'm thinking of polying my 20 rings for it, but I need to charge my wand.
09:10 <Loggers_VIII> wish for marker maybe?
09:10 <mobileuser> magic marker is always a good wish
09:11 <arahael> Yeah I think I should.
09:22 <arahael> Uh... WHere's the ice queen?
09:23 <Loggers_VIII> can you see her with telepathy
09:23 <arahael> I do have telepathy, and I think I can see her, but the eyes don't see her so she's invisible.
09:24 <arahael> Ah, indeed.
09:24 <arahael> I see her now - quaffed a potion of invisibility
09:24 <Loggers_VIII> weird, you must've gotten see invis taken away by a magic trap
09:25 <arahael> I did.
09:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:50313 (22:16:26)
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09:26 <mobileuser> that's the advantage of crowning, permanent see invis
09:26 <mobileuser> now don't attack her by mistake...
09:26 <arahael> Can a trap take that away again?
09:26 <mobileuser> no
09:27 <arahael> Heh, no, I don't intend to attack her again. :)
09:27 <arahael> Ah, nice, so it really is perm-permanant.
09:27 <mobileuser> well, if she is invisible...
09:27 <Imanity> I've heard you have a chance to get sickness resist from crowning too. Is that right?
09:27 <Loggers_VIII> yes, it's 10%
09:27 <mobileuser> 10%
09:27 <Imanity> Hm not bad
09:27 <Loggers_VIII> I've gotten it sometimes, it's really nice for any role other than convict or healer
09:27 <arahael> Already have sickness resist.
09:27 <Loggers_VIII> and it's still pretty good on healer
09:28 <arahael> The only thing crowning will give me is a weapon, most probably, and see invis.
09:28 <Loggers_VIII> I'd still do it for see invis, it's just nice to have
09:28 <Imanity> Do convicts get it from leveling?
09:28 <Loggers_VIII> but not really necessary
09:28 <Loggers_VIII> imanity convicts start with sickness res
09:28 <Imanity> Oh
09:28 <Imanity> thats kind of pog
09:28 <arahael> I see the ice queen's level has changed slightly. There's TWO pegasus. Does this mean I possibly have a breeding pair?
09:28 <Imanity> xD
09:29 <Loggers_VIII> there's always been a chance of eggs I believe
09:29 <K2> ^ this
09:29 <arahael> I think I should sleep.
09:29 <Loggers_VIII> I forget what the maximum number you can get is
09:29 <K2> 2 eggs
09:29 <arahael> This is an exceptionally good evilhack game. :)
09:30 <arahael> Started this one before Tnnt, I think.
09:33 <arahael> Imanity: Btw, I just simply straight melee'ed the queen.
09:41 <arahael> K2: As a question - does the astral plane have magic chests?
09:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1275 (0:12:46)
09:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Gollum, on T:1377 (0:13:27)
09:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1196 points, T:1385, killed by a piranha
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09:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una), 163 points, T:97, killed by falling down a mine shaft
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09:56 <K2> arahael no it doesnt
09:56 <arahael> Fair enough. That would probably be /too/ magical.
09:58 <Loggers_VIII> there's one in the last level of the wiztower so you can grab whatever you need for the ascension run
09:59 <arahael> That's very nice.
09:59 <arahael> Still, as good as this game is, there's a lot of game left and the rest of the game is so much harder.
10:00 <arahael> I still remember getting hounded by Gratz. :/
10:00 <arahael> (And that was two years ago)
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10:03 <Loggers_VIII> graz'zt's an asshole yeah
10:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una), 151 points, T:207, killed by a water moccasin
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10:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first item, on T:17697 (2:44:26)
10:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had a steel dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:17708 (2:44:41)
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10:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2902 (0:26:14)
10:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Gollum, on T:3461 (0:33:08)
11:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 86 points, T:263, killed by a jackal
11:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 924 points, T:1462, killed by a killer bee
11:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of water walking boots entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:21162 (3:44:36)
11:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Inf Ith Mal Una), 7220 points, T:5914, killed by a dart
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11:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1097 (0:06:25)
11:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1559 (0:10:49)
11:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) murdered Sammy, his faithful giant spider, on T:1559 (0:10:49)
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12:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 13790 points, T:7542, killed by an owlbear
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14:08 <Imanity> arahael Must be monk dmg. Last time I tried, she repeatedly healed all the damage I did and I died to passive
14:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2946 (0:16:46)
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15:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2208 (0:18:54)
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15:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11239 (1:20:26)
15:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:22718 (3:56:26)
15:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 7505 points, T:5601, killed by a giant leech
15:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 20282 points, T:12262, killed by a dwarf lord
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15:42 <Loggers_VIII> official rod yani: you can forge them with different types of gems to get different rods that do more damage based on how valuable the gem is
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16:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of water walking boots entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:26141 (4:38:56)
16:14 <K2> hah
16:14 <K2> you said 'rod'
16:14 <Loggers_VIII> you're the one who put it in the game :P
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17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2286 (0:14:44)
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18:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:9687 (2:05:30)
18:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:5337 (0:43:29)
18:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dirge", on T:5736 (0:50:43)
18:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed Disruptor's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:6168 (0:54:40)
18:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a bone splint mail entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:7576 (1:01:43)
18:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:8169 (1:10:43)
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18:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven spear entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:10357 (1:29:26)
18:56 <Imanity> Can non-valkyre catch mjollnir with 25 strength?
19:03 <Umbire> Valks are the only roles Mjollnir even returns to when thrown
19:03 <Imanity> Damn
19:03 <Imanity> Not very useful for others then
19:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed Splunge's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:12160 (1:49:24)
19:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:13460 (2:03:07)
19:31 <Umbire> I mean almost everyone else gets plenty of mileage by just swinging it
19:31 <Umbire> and most people playing Valks avoid throwing it because of that <1% chance it explodes their wands, rings and hypothetical tits off
19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:14287 (2:10:08)
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19:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 13750 points, T:14334, poisoned by a rotted glob of gray ooze, while praying
20:39 <Imanity> Umbire Can't they get protection from rings by wearing non-metallic gloves?
20:39 <Imanity> and just not carry wands in open inventory like most ppl
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20:46 <Imanity> Suppose non-giant valkyries would need GoP, unless using hand of vecna
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21:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6930 (0:48:22)
21:10 <Umbire> Imanity, that's only been added in recent versions
21:11 <Imanity> Yeah
21:11 <Umbire> And you need GoP (which in vanilla are metallic, like their base material in Evil) to even throw Mjollnir
21:11 <Imanity> Fuck vanilla xD
21:14 <Umbire> ok
21:19 <Imanity> Found some crystal plate mail in castle storeroom
21:19 <Imanity> This run is going better than when the prisoner fucked me yesterday :)
21:46 <K2> oh wow
21:46 <K2> would love to see that comment taken out of context
21:46 <Imanity> xD
21:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dirge", on T:10918 (1:34:11)
21:54 <Umbire> (because you attacked the prisoner in the first place)
21:54 <Imanity> He looked at me funny
21:54 <Imanity> The weather outside is frightful
21:54 <Imanity> But their wands are so delightful
21:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Yeshua's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:11092 (1:36:57)
22:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 20584 points, T:12214, killed by a bolt of cold
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22:59 <arahael> Imanity: I'm a bit confused by your polypiling instructions. You say I should put two rings in each pile? Why only 2? Shouldn't I make my piles as large as possible? (But teh stacks as small as possible)
23:00 <Imanity> "When a stack shudders, it loses 1d(items in stack − 1) items, except in the case of single items, which are always destroyed. "
23:00 <Imanity> From the wiki
23:01 <arahael> Imanity: Yes, but there is a huge difference between a stack and a pile.
23:02 <Imanity> By stacks, they are referring to the number of non-stacked items which occupy a square
23:02 <Imanity> I call them piles, because it's less confusing
23:02 <arahael> No, it defines what it means.
23:02 <arahael> on the same page, even.
23:02 <Imanity> Where?
23:02 <arahael> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Polypiling
23:02 <Imanity> Paste it
23:02 <Imanity> that's about 20k works
23:02 <arahael> First paragraph of the introduction:
23:03 <arahael> > When considering polypiling, it is important to distinguish stacks of items, which are all of one type (e.g., "4 blessed scrolls of blank paper"), from piles of items, which are all of the items on the floor in one square. The terms stack and pile will be used rigorously on this page. 
23:03 <Imanity> Hmm
23:03 <Imanity> I'll check in wizard mode
23:03 <arahael> I'm also questioning my feeling that I need to keep my stacks as as small as possible - I think the 3-4 items per stack is probably more likely to be right.
23:03 <arahael> Because: one item stacks, if shudders, loose 100%.
23:04 <arahael> Two item stacks, if shudders, loose 50%.
23:04 <Imanity> "Individually name stackables to separate them into stacks of two (preferable), three, or four. Try to avoid single items, except for weapons and tools, which should be completely unstacked."
23:04 <arahael> Three item stacks, if shudders, loose on *average*... How much... Etc.
23:04 <arahael> Yeah, perhaps 2 item stacks is optimal, then.
23:04 <Imanity> I think it's multiple writers getting confused about a stack and pile
23:04 <arahael> That sucks.
23:06 <Imanity> I'll check in wizmode
23:07 <Imanity> But when i accidentially drop more than one stack of something on a pile, they tend to give far worse results
23:08 <arahael> I'm not wanting to do the whole thing like getting a bunch of rocks or meatballs etc, just want to do a fairly quick job at this.
23:08 <Imanity> I don't do that either. Death on a stick flashbacks xD
23:09 <arahael> So I'm thinking of putting my rings down in 3-4 piles. Then put a bunch of other polyfodder on top, and then finally a bit of my less valuable food or whatever else I have cursed.
23:09 <arahael> I remember deathonastick!
23:09 <arahael> (I was playing then, too!)
23:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2224 (0:34:55)
23:11 <Imanity> "For any stack that did not shudder, the polymorph process continues. There is a (number of items in stack/1000) probability that the entire stack merges into a single item"
23:11 <Imanity> Idk which is best. Maybe you could try each method and see
23:12 <Imanity> I only hear about DOAS from wiki pages, like the famous players one
23:12 <Imanity> Wish ttyrecs existed back then
23:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2686 (0:39:10)
23:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3572 (0:47:23)
23:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4693 points, T:4252, killed by a warg