00:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2186 (0:16:36) 00:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 859 points, T:2190, killed by a wand 00:06 What wand can take from 100% hp to 0 00:06 !lastgame Imanity 00:06 Imanity: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/I/Imanity/evilhack/dumplog/1698292172.evil.html 00:07 doesnt even say 00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3927 (0:53:33) 00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2745 points, T:3414, killed by a giant bat 00:09 -!- PhantomLumina has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "Blessed fireproof platinum yendorian express card", on T:175 (0:04:34) 00:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 36 points, T:175, killed by touching The Platinum Yendorian Express Card 00:14 Half spell damage didnt even kick in 00:19 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/24e83935bb64...1cfd70918a7c 00:19 [EvilHack] k21971 1cfd709 - Fix: Wand of Orcus dual-wielding and invoke function. 00:21 Imanity, dont ever wish for a quest artifact/intelligent artifact unless you have at least 40 hp (20 hp if you have MR) 00:21 half spell damage isnt a factor 00:21 gotta wait til ya have 40 hp 00:21 ^ vanilla behavior 00:21 Wouldnt the MR I got from pyec make it only require 20? 00:21 no 00:21 Hm 00:21 you werent actually holding it yet 00:21 Guess I wait then 00:21 i did that in vanilla once with a wand in the first room. i was so mad 00:21 you have to already have mr 00:22 Before, I died due to no MR in 25k turns. Gotta do some weird shit 00:22 !who 00:22 K2: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil] terrapin [evil] Nightsorrow [evil] :: [hdf-eu] Imanity [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 00:22 i'll update evilhack in the morning 00:22 (my time) 00:22 You can update eu now 00:22 i will log off 00:22 nah i'll wait and do all three 00:23 its ok 00:23 ok 00:23 i need to sleep 00:23 gn o/ 00:23 nite 00:24 -!- Umbire is now known as PhantomLumina 00:27 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:5794 (1:12:24) 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6050 (1:16:27) 00:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2226 (0:19:04) 00:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2242 (0:19:27) 00:51 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Fem Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:7566 (1:36:36) 00:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 1943 points, T:3122, quit 01:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1534 (0:09:02) 01:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 1929 points, T:2694, quit 01:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1464 (0:06:28) 01:26 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a shield of mobility entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:34087 (6:03:43) 01:26 [EvilHack] elunna opened pull request #159: Fix: Multiple messages for gnomes noticing eggs. - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/159 01:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1643 (0:10:05) 01:44 Just got the "Your vision becomes clear" effect twice on the same throne. Shouldn't this be excluded? 01:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4954 (0:35:17) 02:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 4515 points, T:4958, quit 02:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 385 points, T:929, choked on a lesser homunculus corpse 02:29 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1389 (0:06:53) 02:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 1046 points, T:1391, choked on a goblin shaman corpse 02:30 I want these resistances :( 02:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3948 (0:27:43) 02:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3989 (0:28:28) 02:53 -!- PhantomLumina has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:57 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5296 (0:38:58) 03:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1567 (0:36:22) 03:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1887 (0:46:10) 03:21 -!- mobileuser98 has joined #evilhack 03:25 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:33 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3502 (1:04:34) 03:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 10669 points, T:8214, poisoned by an orcish arrow 03:52 -!- mobileuser98 is now known as mobileuser 04:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5396 (1:28:27) 04:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) destroyed Kas, on T:43295 (1 day, 7:29:26) 04:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "blessed spellbook of acid blast", on T:43480 (1 day, 7:35:37) 04:24 how many ppl trying healer tortle. 04:29 Loggers and I 04:29 Okay, I remember terrapin played some times as well. 04:30 Think he swapped to gnomish ranger 04:30 You should come join the push 04:31 Lol personally I dislike the role healer. 04:31 not to hang ourselves with how slow tortle is xD 04:31 I think they are so weak :P 04:31 it is the weakest role/race by far 04:32 Maybe, I don't understand what advantages they have.. 04:32 one of the few unascended role/race combinations left I see 04:32 I think healer is mainly a role for pacifist. 04:32 Tortle have the slowest speed of any race. It's like playing whilst permanently stressed 04:33 they cant use most armor, so lack the core resistances you need in mid-lategame 04:33 and their #monster ability is kind of underwhelming 04:34 I got far with a tortle priest once, then I encountered an (illegal) bones file with demon bosses in gehennom 04:35 immediately a giant sent me flying and the demon bosses finished me off while I was helpless 04:35 Hate it when ppl do that 04:35 Evil bones. 04:36 I wanted to play with bones on, but one of the first vanilla hdf vanilla runs I did, had I think a hostile juiblex by the altar 04:36 so someone summoned it then killed themselves 04:36 *first vanilla hdf 04:37 Bones adds instability. 04:37 Bones makes gear so much easier to get too 04:37 If you get a genuine bones 04:37 Suddenty you have 30 or 40% more resources 04:38 I'm not sure, I think bones will be easy in vanilla. 04:38 But evilhack players are all professional. 04:38 Yeah 04:38 Maybe can't deal with bones :P 04:39 It's from both angles 04:39 can trivialise or ruin games outright 04:40 Those player monsters sometimes give essential gear like boh or speed boots. 04:40 Walking bones. 04:41 I love those guys 04:41 some of them can be kinda tough 04:41 and when you get multiple on one level, feels like a totally diferent game 04:41 in a good way 04:43 Yes so I love the pet dragons in my previous game. 04:44 Can just engulf them in one turn. 04:44 I prefer fighting them 04:44 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:45 heh "shadow dragon called Chanin" 04:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of power entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:7613 (2:13:06) 04:45 Gauntlets of power from the first sac. Not bad 04:45 I guess a player monster just stepped in a poly trap 04:45 xD 04:46 Imanity shame they are iron though 04:46 Yeah 04:46 Tortles need those power gloves? 04:47 It's bad that Hermes didn't give you Dragonbane :P 04:48 Theyre nice, but was more surprised a single giant mosquito corpse gave it 04:48 first sac of the game and no luckstone 04:49 You can just try the loggers way. 04:49 300s and keep sacrificing :P 04:49 What does he do? 04:49 xD 04:49 Ah yes always crazy to see 10 min in 04:49 and he's being gifted 04:49 Then you'd get crowned eventually or have some good armors. 04:51 Yes this way one can get reach maybe -20 AC and be crowned then have those basic resistances. 04:51 Just at the cost of huge turns count. 04:53 How does he get so many corpses? 04:55 Just wait hundreds of turns. 04:55 Hmm 04:56 And if farming later, evilhack monsters spawn rate are insane. 04:56 For sure 04:56 You can even alter it by accepting quest at lvl 10 04:56 Yes, convict quest is so good for doing that. 04:57 When I farmed in quest, I have maybe 2.5x or 3.3x spawn rates. 04:57 Then a huge count of giant beetle corpses. 04:57 They are guranteed to leave corpse. 04:58 I'm not sure if I should start a new con dro game. 04:58 On a run a while back, I tried to leave a gnoll cleric alive just to get his summons 04:58 Ended up dying due to risking being burdened around a locust, but I held in there for about 25 mins 04:59 Why not try another race? You ascended at that one 04:59 Lol but I'm too familiar with con dro. 04:59 I'm not sure, I dislike those races have drawbacks, like I only play human race in vanilla.. 05:00 Human is jack of all trades, master of none 05:00 My first ascension of valkyrie did that, then made all a and S extinct. 05:01 I find it far more interesting to pick a race who is the best at something, but falls short in other places 05:01 guess that's what keeps me coming back to tortle 05:01 despite our abusive relationship xD 05:01 hobbit convict was also funny 05:01 Eager for foods? 05:02 lol 05:02 more hunger, but you can eat lots more 05:02 Those many races in evilhack, cannot wear some armors. 05:02 I like to wear full set of armors, and dual-wield :P 05:02 You can poly out of that if you really want 05:03 apart from monk 05:03 why apart from monk? 05:03 the to-hit penalty would still stand 05:03 not if you are polymorphed 05:03 I have ascended once centaurian valkyrie, I'm not sure if centaur attracts me. 05:03 I thought it only changes you race, not role 05:04 yeah but the penalty doesn't apply if you are polymorphed 05:04 Oh nice 05:04 sounds very exploitable :D 05:04 will keep it in mind 05:04 I have done 2 selfpoly monks I think 05:04 I remember foodless monks may high tend to polyself. 05:05 I think thats the only option to stay alive 05:05 if not enough booze 05:05 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1587678024.evil.html 05:06 Mobileuser the Vampire Mage :-) 05:06 You have so many hp. 05:07 "You and the black dragon and the black dragon 05:07 went to your reward" This line made me rofl 05:07 heh 05:07 I had to have lots of HP 05:07 Lol I can't see the black dragons they are totally black :P 05:07 because a vampire doesn't get 100% fire res 05:07 so I was burning up in gehennom all the time 05:08 mobileuser how do you play so quickly? 05:08 I don't I play very slowly 05:08 Seem this game needs some farm. 05:08 oh turncount you mean 05:08 I don't know why all my games cost more than 100k turns.. 05:09 yes, sometimes i don't know why my turncount grows so quickly. 05:09 Magic :P 05:09 heh 05:10 it used to be only rebatela with high turncount games, now it's almost evryone 05:11 must be all those artifacts you can forge... 05:11 Yeah, most ppl wanna collect everythin 05:11 *everything 05:11 My fastest evilhack game cost 89606 turns. 05:12 My 8 conduct ascension was 76.5k turns 05:12 They are fancy, I like to collect them. 05:12 But maybe no need to collect them every game :P 05:12 Depends. It's there to be fun too 05:13 Feels good to be op 05:13 I feel going to die if I'm not op :P 05:13 Exactly 05:13 better spend 10-20k extra turns, than die 05:14 then you have nothing to show for it 05:14 the indicator of a good variant is when you fear that you might just die 05:14 yeah 05:14 in vanilla there is a point where that's just not the case anymore 05:14 (in the later game) 05:15 There's no way I could go back to vanilla after evilhack 05:15 zombies dont even give you amnesia 05:15 You may try speedrun in vanilla maybe. 05:15 I prefer conduct runs 05:16 I'd like to see Loggers speedrunning vanilla! 05:16 maybe in november with TNNT 05:17 Then it's much easier to do conducts in vanilla I think. 05:17 Far easier. Ppl have done 14 05:17 depends 05:17 14? when did that happen 05:17 I'll check 05:17 13-conduct has _never_ been done to my knowledge 05:17 Oh for dyn 05:18 Idk what that variant is 05:18 ah ok 05:18 Prob adds a bunch more conducts to get 05:18 Yes maybe vanilla don't have that count of conducts. 05:18 dynahack is unnethack with nh4 05:18 unnethacks rules with nh4/nitrohacks engine 05:18 ah 05:21 Wish I got the magic key before coming here 05:22 inventory management sucks 05:22 What happened to unnethack? 05:23 I see there's no unnethack ascension in near 2 months. 05:23 Lol and the last 14 ascensions are all Splunge. 05:27 magic marker at Vecna \o/ 05:31 Good luck :) 05:36 unnethack is one of the variant OGs 05:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) destroyed Vecna, on T:44215 (1 day, 8:17:37) 05:41 Why I can't watch mobileuser? 05:41 Oh I see eu server. 05:41 I'm on EU 05:41 yeah 05:46 eye of vecna, now I will need to do a lot of walking to forges all over the dungeon 05:47 can't teleport as infidel 06:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 06:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided alhoons, on T:44244 (1 day, 8:24:29) 06:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:44244 (1 day, 8:24:40) 06:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:44245 (1 day, 8:24:50) 06:27 -!- tinklebear has joined #evilhack 06:31 does the new short gehennom only have one fakewiz tower? 06:31 yes 06:31 ah. thank you, mobileuser 06:32 making it even shorter! 06:32 so short! 06:32 makes procrastinating even harder 06:32 a lot of people are saying this! 06:33 XD 07:01 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:15 -!- arahael has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:15 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 07:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:44801 (1 day, 8:45:52) 07:35 hi 07:35 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 07:35 the wand of orcus changes are live 07:36 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 07:40 \o/ 07:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:44867 (1 day, 8:51:36) 08:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:45658 (1 day, 9:14:37) 08:15 can AoR be enchanted to +7? 08:17 -!- stenno is now known as d[-_-]b 08:17 -!- d[-_-]b is now known as stenno 08:17 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:18 Hi 08:18 Hello Loggers_VIII, Welcome to #evilhack 08:19 i wanna say yes 08:19 cuz its indestructible 08:20 Just curious, wiki doesn't mention it 08:20 do it for science 08:21 But since you could use +7 SoA as base, it seems logical 08:21 Enchant doesn’t carry if you change object type when forgong 08:21 ah ok 08:21 *forging 08:21 forgone conclusion 08:22 But on a similar note, SoA is indestructible now too so you could get that baby to +9 if you want probably 08:22 I’m planning on doing that with a tortle healer 08:23 tortles can wear AoR?? 08:23 Tried archon pet, tried dragon pet, tried dichotomy- time for something new 08:23 oh sorry 08:23 SoA 08:23 Yea 08:24 I am tired of dying 08:25 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 08:25 plus tnnt is soon, so I have to get anything evilhack-related wrapped up, quick 08:26 "weapons at +9 and above have only a 1-in-(current enchantment) chance of gaining another point of enchantment." 08:26 hmmm 08:26 btw, you guys see how far tinklebear’s gotten without MR? very cool 08:26 is there actually a limit? 08:26 evilhack is good warmup for tnnt, it'll make tnnt seem easy 08:26 Mobileuser no :) 08:26 lol 08:27 still, probably it's easier to just eat increase damage rings 08:27 +8 or +9 is probably the farthest it’s feasible to get it on a normal run 08:27 oh I hope you will set a nice tnnt speed record Loggers 08:28 I got to mines end in 6 minutes the other day 08:28 yay 08:28 promising 08:28 I don’t think any real speed runners besides shadowrider are in tnnt so that’s nice for me :) 08:29 I’ll probably do one run where I try and go fast, and just play normally after. I want to get a lot of wins 08:29 maybe 4 or 5 08:30 tinklebear killed Graz'zt already without any MR??? 08:30 dont think luxidream will play? 08:30 tnny is only a month so not enough time for me to speedrun 08:31 mobileuser he’s knight so jousting helps but yeah 08:31 still impressive 08:31 K2 I’m skeptical, I haven’t heard anything about him playing yet 08:31 mobileuser for sure 08:32 his HP is way too low, though 08:32 as usual 08:33 I want to scream “Nurse daaance!!!” at him but it would fall on deaf ears 08:33 I don’t want him to die on astral or something cause there were too many angels :/ 08:36 -!- xdminsy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 08:40 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:58 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:59 ew zootown 08:59 might as well kill the zoo early 09:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 10536 points, T:8891, killed by a dark elven watch captain 09:00 ouch 09:00 ...I forgot you're not meant to kick open doors in minetown 09:01 and that dark elven watch captain was just reaching for his key to open that door anyway :-P 09:03 lol 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:2326 (0:03:34) 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2724 (0:04:13) 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:5325 (0:12:33) 09:27 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:31 gotta let me know if anyone uses the WoO 09:31 :P 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a stone quarterstaff entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:7118 (0:28:35) 09:31 remember, rod uses mace skill for training purposes 09:31 stone is damage bonus for whacking right? 09:31 si 09:32 fine then hermes 09:32 rod should do more damage they're cool but there's no reason to use one 09:32 (besides woo) 09:33 they do slightly more dmg than a mace 09:33 woo! 09:33 yea but heavy mace is way better 09:33 woooo! 09:33 heh 09:34 bbl 09:34 o/ 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a spellbook of cure blindness given to him by Hermes, on T:7717 (0:37:13) 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:7894 (0:38:46) 09:48 oh wow, did I just find my own bones?? 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:8273 (0:41:22) 09:49 oh probably just some random ghost named mobileuser :-( 09:50 yeah ghosts can have your own name :) 09:53 any epic deaths in gehennom lately? O:3 09:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided master mind flayers, on T:46964 (1 day, 9:57:32) 09:57 uhh I died in the sanctum but that can't leave bones 09:59 ah that vorpal jabberwock experiment 09:59 SCIENCE 10:00 yeah :) 10:00 !lastgame dbanethacker 10:00 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1698301339.evil.html 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:9321 (0:50:59) 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a helm of telepathy entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:9604 (0:54:53) 10:10 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:34387 (6:18:04) 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fireproof platinum yendorian express card", on T:11511 (1:02:49) 10:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:35144 (6:28:37) 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:12284 (1:08:14) 10:24 Loggers_VIII are you going to use the Rat King's scimitar? 10:25 sometimes I forge it into a trident but I'm kind of enjoying my +5 stone quarterstaff and I want to save skill slots 10:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:53 is it possible for something to lose fooproofing ? I know i fireproofed this robe but it doesn't say it in inventory anymore 10:53 I feel like sometimes it doesn't say it though 10:56 yes, destroy armor monster spell 10:57 ahh ok sweet thanks 10:57 even with MR huh? evil 10:58 that's always been the case rebatela :-) 10:58 i knew there was a reason to keep the destroy armors after everything was "all set" 10:58 yeah I'm sure it has always been the case. Just forgot 10:59 at least now you can read confused enchant armor for quick repair, it lets you choose the armor 11:00 no need to take off other armor (as you still need to do with cursed destroy armor) 11:01 sweet. yeah I know the spell too, but definitely good to know 11:01 spell won't fooproof though 11:01 yeah and only lets you choose if you can cast it skilled 11:02 which kinda sucks 11:05 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:12 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:14 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:15 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27 honestly (and I know i'm in the minority here) I think getting to choose piece of armor to fix is OP. I was surprised when it was made that way. for enchanting too 11:28 I mean, someone learning the game now would just take those things for granted but it used to be dangerous as hell to try and disrobe/enchant/dress when you were in a crowd for example 11:28 so there was strategy involved regarding whether to take the risk 11:29 also, a lot more accidents with accidentally over enchanting pieces 11:30 obviously it's better for the player now lol. I'm not complaining. Just saying it made the game far easier in that regard more than just a QoL thing imo 11:41 * tinklebear *is* complaining, but in silence 11:42 * tinklebear glares imperiously at whippersnaps lingering on the lawn 11:43 rebatela, i agree with you about the enchant selection, i was surprised when it happened. i thought the mechanic of "crap can't fix stuff without getting naked" was an important screw 11:43 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:43 i mean, great usability change, but i think removing the difficult-to-repair mechanic is slightly un-evil 11:43 wouldn't complain about it in vanilla 11:45 nothing compares to peaceful displacement 11:45 * tinklebear glowers 11:47 peaceful displacement is i think sufficiently evil if it is randomly-sometimes, so you can't rely on it when you're trying to get your ass away from the gelcube or whatever 11:48 then it is a mechanic you can use in non-critical situations for enhanced usability, but you will sometimes get screwed if you use it in a dangerous situation and are denied 11:50 cant appreciate the sweet without the sour 11:50 k2 talking to the oracle again! 11:50 in other words, there's plenty of difficult evil things in the game, add some nice bits in to balance it out 11:51 * tinklebear silently acknowleges the nice bits. some of them 11:51 i will totally agree with everything you say for ever once you do my shambling mod 11:51 heh 11:51 * K2 removes paranoid swim 11:51 there 11:51 happy now? 11:51 \o/ 11:51 hahah 11:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:58 One quest about infidel, can they drop the amulet of yendor on first floor? 11:59 you can drop it but you wont like the results -- no rest without it 11:59 also the amulet teleports when you drop it 11:59 can teleport 11:59 not always 12:00 (pays to bless it) 12:00 ^ 12:00 you basically really want to keep it 12:02 Okay. 12:02 infidel has a challenging start, but it is fun and quite different, i recommend 12:02 (i know it is weird for me to recommend anything in evilhack :-) 12:02 now tortle infidel, that would be a pita 12:03