00:00 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible karibou's ghost, the former Novice, on T:4970 (2:37:06)
00:07 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:14187 (1:55:06)
00:09 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Cen Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:9314 (2:03:58)
00:20 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) stole 23733 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kittamagh's second-hand bookstore, on T:14933 (2:08:06)
00:21 <arahael> YASI: Steel from any shop, and your reputation follows to all shops.
00:23 <xdminsy> Again I can't find any nymphs or rock moles but already xp8 and 15k turns.
00:23 <arahael> Why do you want rock moles?
00:24 <xdminsy> To eat my iron chain.
00:24 <arahael> Oooh.
00:24 <xdminsy> I already explored first 4 level, maybe need to enter minetown now.
00:24 <arahael> I wonder if the sewerage might work?
00:25 <Umbire> I don't think you want the sewer creature unpunishing you.
00:25 <Umbire> (In "practical" terms, unsure if that's even viable in-game.)
00:25 <arahael> In practical terms, it sometimes works depending on item. Don't know if it works for that item though.
00:26 <arahael> Doesn't work for loadstones, as an example.
00:27 <Umbire> I'm pretty sure it works on most items sans loadstone/chained balls.
00:30 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:16175 (2:18:39)
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00:37 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Disruptor's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:7093 (3:14:44)
00:38 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:17257 (2:26:37)
00:38 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 77276 points, T:17258, quit
00:40 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 7184 points, T:5884, killed by an arrow
00:41 <Imanity> !lastgame DragonSidedD
00:41 <Hecubus_> Imanity: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DragonSidedD/evilhack/dumplog/1697832820.evil.html
00:42 <Imanity> He pressed the forbidden key :(
00:42 <Imanity> A instead of a
00:46 <arahael> What does A do there?
00:49 <Imanity> Puts all items in inventory
00:49 <Imanity> into the bag
00:49 <Imanity> You can see he tried to put in some items which were being worn
00:51 <arahael> Ah, so you were doing stuff with the bag.
00:52 <Imanity> He carried cancellation in open inventory
00:52 <Imanity> Would've been fine otherwise
00:54 <arahael> Ah, off.
00:54 <arahael> I did notice that exlposion.
00:54 <arahael> Even so, you can generally pick up the mess. It's not like vanilla where it's all just vapourised.
00:55 <Imanity> Exactly
00:55 <Imanity> He didn't get rid of his Bag of hesperides
00:55 <arahael> I'm basically confused why he chose to quit, more than anything.
00:55 <Imanity> Likely a frustration moment
00:57 <arahael> Hmm.
01:20 <arahael> Umbire: I was wrong, it does work for loadstones.
01:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10065 (4:18:56)
01:44 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13834 (3:38:31)
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01:48 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) stole 1 zorkmid worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:54686 (2 days, 4:04:28)
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02:03 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:14527 (3:57:22)
02:12 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:30359 (14:43:06)
02:23 <arahael> What happened? You have a vague sense of guilt.  You stop searching.
02:24 <arahael> I now have a slightly abused alignment.
02:26 <Imanity> You are wielding a bane and drew the aggro of what would've been a peaceful monster
02:26 <arahael> I'm a monk, I don't wield anything.
02:26 <Imanity> Hmm
02:27 <arahael> The only thing I was previously doing was splashing through water.
02:27 <Umbire> Dragonbane?
02:27 <arahael> Don't have dragonbane yet.
02:27 <k3ut0i> traps?
02:27 <arahael> None that I'm aware of, unless it was in the water.
02:27 <Umbire> Could a hole you dug.
02:27 <Umbire> Could be*
02:27 <arahael> That's _possible_, actually.
02:27 <Umbire> Those count as traps, for the record.
02:28 <k3ut0i> yup, some peaceful fell into a hole you dug.
02:28 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:15952 (4:22:38)
02:28 <arahael> I think I did make a hole on this level - a trapdoor.
02:28 <arahael> I mean, a hole. :)
02:28 <arahael> But, can't they see them?
02:29 <Imanity> Not unless you use it in their field of vision
02:29 <Imanity> Might also work if another monster uses it in their field of vision too
02:29 <Umbire> Pits and holes you dig anger monsters caught in them, as is the case for any trap you set.
02:29 <arahael> So newly generated monsters aren't going to know about the hole, then. Hmm.
02:31 <arahael> I'm currently wondering around until a monster with a pick gets generated on my side of the map.
02:31 <Imanity> Careful you dont starve
02:32 <arahael> Found one.
02:32 <arahael> Also found a level teleporter.
02:32 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:31240 (15:02:43)
02:32 <arahael> (Which is better!)
02:33 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Cha) permanently converted to lawful, on T:31253 (15:03:40)
02:49 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Cen Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:17025 (4:44:18)
02:58 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:12819 (5:31:51)
02:58 <arahael> Cubical amulet. Very good.
03:10 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Cen Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:17942 (5:04:52)
03:55 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 88120 points, T:19385, killed by a chameleon imitating an elder minotaur
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04:43 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby purple worm, on T:14507 (6:39:15)
04:43 * arahael curses his Quest Leader for putting a polymorph trap right in the freaking temple.
04:59 <arahael> Woah.
04:59 <arahael> > You step onto a level teleport trap!
04:59 <arahael> ...
04:59 <arahael> > [You are surrounded by brimstone, lava, and elementals.]
04:59 <arahael> I am not prepared!
05:00 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:15541 (6:56:53)
05:17 <arahael> Killed Kaen by accident, trying to survive.
05:17 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18191 (7:14:09)
05:19 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:18418 (7:15:41)
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05:21 <arahael> Now, I can start enjoying turtle soup.
05:29 <k3ut0i> Lol, did you polymoph Kaen?
05:30 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:57316 (2 days, 7:15:06)
05:32 <arahael> k3ut0i: Yes.
05:33 <arahael> k3ut0i: I suspect he was the dragon, actually.  Baby dragon, luckily.  It was chaotic.
05:33 <arahael> k3ut0i: Kaen was uh...  Low priority.
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05:45 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Cen Mal Una) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:17638 (11:41:46)
06:39 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonbane", on T:19659 (8:21:44)
06:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a small glob of black pudding, on T:19729 (8:24:35)
06:44 <arahael> WTF?
06:44 <arahael> I *fell* into Fort Ludios?
07:02 <mobileuser> that seems impossible...
07:07 <Pinkbeast> Trapdoor that lands you on the portal? No idea if that's possible.
07:12 <arahael> Pinkbeast: Right next to the portal, to be strictly correct.
07:12 <Pinkbeast> I'm not quite clear if you mean the portal in the main dungeon or, from your point of view, that you landed in Ludious proper.
07:13 <arahael> I fell down a trap door into a vault that put me right next to the portal.
07:13 <arahael> So basically I was like, "Uh? I fell into the vault, lets pick up this gold... Uh, no, that was the portal!
07:25 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Cen Mal Una) had an iron quarterstaff entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:19222 (12:31:13)
07:27 <mobileuser> normally it's daggers, seems quarterstaff is the new rage
07:29 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Cen Mal Una) became the Emissary of Moloch, on T:19338 (12:35:19)
07:29 <mobileuser> \o/
08:42 <mobileuser> green dragon mystery solved btw, it's trapped in an iron bar cage. So, special room.
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08:52 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:17144 (4:12:37)
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09:47 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the invisible Oracle, on T:21938 (14:05:03)
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10:09 <mobileuser> wow, the iron quarterstaff I got earlier from Moloch is +5 and of excellence
10:11 <K2> \o/
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10:39 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:3600 (0:27:30)
10:42 <mobileuser> a fireproof +2 pair of leather gauntlets of protection
10:42 <mobileuser> sweet sweet MC3 is BACK
10:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3889 (0:31:04)
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10:53 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:5137 (0:41:21)
10:55 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 6051 points, T:5502, killed by a piranha
10:56 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:44110 (8:09:00)
10:57 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:31764 (16:57:11)
10:58 <k3ut0i> :( didn't mean to do that
10:58 <k3ut0i> forgot to unwield shuriken after enchanting them
10:59 <K2> :/
11:04 <rebatela> welcome to my world... 
11:09 <rebatela> i don't have a lot of shuriken this game though (at least not yet) because i broke weaponless with pickaxe pretty early on. a Lot of games i seem to get multiple shuriken gifts when I keep the conduct 
11:12 <k3ut0i> The ones that I just enchanted were forged, I was hoping for more mithril shuriken but now that's not going to happen :(
11:15 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Mon Dro Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:32580 (17:14:23)
11:20 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:44805 (8:30:26)
11:22 <rebatela> trying to do decide whether to wish for grayswandir/forge gauntlets of purity (i'm neutral) already got dragonbane from sacrifice  
11:22 <rebatela> only problem with purity is no acid resistance i don't think ? 
11:23 <rebatela> might just stick with regular ol' dragonbane and wish for eota for the power regen... 
11:23 <rebatela> I wonder why they lose the acid resistance if dragonbane has it? 
11:30 <Imanity> What race/role?
11:31 <Imanity> Purity has no acid resistance
11:31 <Imanity> You need that
11:31 <Imanity> In another slot if you forge
11:32 <Imanity> Typically  I use alchemy smock. Yellow dragon scaled armor kind of sucks
11:32 <Imanity> But you'll need another way to get MC3 instead of using cloak of protection
11:40 <k3ut0i> bag of hesperides gives protection. you just need MC2, crystal plate gives that. or a robe, oilskin cloak.
11:41 <Imanity> Or CPM
11:41 <Imanity> Oh yeah just saw you wrote that first
11:41 <Imanity> xD
11:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:45360 (8:45:26)
11:43 <rebatela> i have a leather alchemy smock i could use for acid, although I'd rather be able to wear robe or cloak of mr. 
11:43 <rebatela> definitely don't need dexterity gloves now wtf 
11:45 <rebatela> are there dragonhide alchemy smocks? 
11:45 <Imanity> Yes
11:45 <Imanity> They are 100% worth a wish
11:46 <Imanity> Acid attacks will hit you when you least expect it. It is absolutely a must to be worn starting from when you encounter player monsters
11:50 <k3ut0i> golve enchantment doesn't matter in calculating barehanded damage right?
11:50 <k3ut0i> glove*
11:51 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:6293 (1:07:03)
11:59 <Imanity> I think it only affects to-hit k3ut0i
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12:04 <terrapin> glove enchantment affects both TH and damage in evil
12:04 <Imanity> Oh
12:16 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 54 points, T:22, killed by a small mimic
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12:31 <ssnufd> o7
12:33 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4458 (0:47:42)
12:38 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dirge", on T:4469 (0:52:51)
12:40 <Imanity> Isn't dirge for chaotic knights only?
12:45 <K2> getting it via altar sac yes
12:46 <Imanity> Can you wish for it like Spludge did tho?
12:46 <K2> yes
12:46 <Imanity> Ooh
12:46 <Imanity> I might consider that in my next chaotic adventure
12:46 <Imanity> Acid resistance is so rare on monsters
12:46 <K2> or if you encounter Graz'zt and dirge hasnt come into the game yet, he'll have it
12:47 <Imanity> Hmm maybe not worth wish then
12:47 <Imanity> if you'll find it in mid mid-game
12:49 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9301 (2:04:25)
12:52 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:7489 (2:13:56)
12:53 <K2> well grazzt isnt guaranteed
12:54 <K2> just mentioned him for completeness sake
12:54 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7606 (2:16:18)
13:05 <mobileuser> Dirge wishable?
13:06 <mobileuser> always thought it wasn't because of Graz'zt...
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13:14 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:49257 (10:01:11)
13:20 <K2> yes its wishable
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13:27 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:7821 (1:42:25)
13:29 <Imanity> K2 Maybe it's worth playing around though
13:29 <Imanity> Levelporting to around the demon lord tier Grazzt is on
13:29 <Imanity> and not making artifact wishes until you can see whether he's generated
13:29 <K2> there's no guarantee you'll get grazzt on the final demon boss level
13:29 <K2> yeah
13:30 <Imanity> Can check tho
13:30 <Imanity> By levelport
13:30 <Imanity> and return up to valley+stash to make wishes
13:30 <K2> you cant just levelport straight to final demon boss level
13:30 <Imanity> Was that patched>
13:30 <Imanity> *?
13:30 <K2> and levelporting back while the demon boss is alive, odds are very low it'll work
13:30 <Imanity> I thought you could levelport past demon lords
13:30 <K2> no
13:31 <K2> that was fixed quite a ways back
13:31 <Imanity> Ah
13:31 <Imanity> If he's the final one, prob not worth delaying artiwishes
13:31 <K2> ^ this
13:35 <rebatela> do wraiths no longer drop corpses? or did the frequency change? 
13:37 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a steel dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:8277 (1:52:11)
13:38 <mobileuser> I don't think that was changed, where were they generated?
13:39 <Imanity> Are you on a graveyard level rebatela?
13:39 <xdminsy> Maybe just unlucky.
13:40 <mobileuser> the other thing is, wraiths summoned by a hostile chaotic priest almost never drop a corpse
13:40 <Imanity> Yeah, I've led multiple wraiths at once from end of valley of dead, to level above castle. No corpses. It sucks
13:40 <xdminsy> Meh. https://ibb.co/yXGJpkb
13:41 <Imanity> Relief :)
13:41 <Imanity> Best message alongside "you feel less hassled"
13:42 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had an alchemy smock entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:22912 (14:41:20)
13:42 <rebatela> yeah I'm leading them from castle to the level above. I don't believe it's a graveyard
13:42 <Imanity> it isnt
13:42 <rebatela> did something change? I've gotten 1 corpse from like 8 or 10 wraiths 
13:42 <Imanity> Just unlucky then
13:43 <Imanity> xdminsy How are you healing yourself for that long?
13:43 <Imanity> 17k turns
13:43 <rebatela> seems really weird. hopefully you're right 
13:43 <xdminsy> Pray.
13:43 <Imanity> Ah
13:43 <Imanity> Chance of max hp bonus too
13:44 <xdminsy> Yes it's like, not hard to reach level 2, then almost okay to relieve.
13:45 <xdminsy> Lol but dunno how to do sokoban with xp 9 and ac 4, need an altar.
13:45 <Imanity> Maybe wraith dance a bit
13:45 <Imanity> To drain levels
13:45 <xdminsy> Rebatela maybe try one level above more.
13:45 <rebatela> yeah i think i will 
13:46 <xdminsy> But I used to use 3 cursed genocide and only leveled up 1.
13:46 <K2> only place where wraith monster spawns are damped down is in vecna's domain (1st level). corpse generation is unchanged
13:47 <xdminsy> I thought about wraith before but hardly can I see them, but the hp is then much more less.
13:47 <Imanity> You only need one, and only 2 level drains
13:47 <Imanity> Well 3 since you'll level up immediatley afer
13:47 <Imanity> *after
13:48 <xdminsy> What's special about doing sokoban with level 7?
13:48 <Imanity> Weaker monsters generate
13:48 <Imanity> compared to lvl 9
13:48 <xdminsy> Got it.
13:52 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:17961 (3:28:20)
13:53 <rebatela> man, if nothing's changed then this is the worst luck i've ever had with wraiths 
13:54 <K2> yes
13:56 <rebatela> also haven't seen a gain level potion and i'm at 52k turns
13:56 <rebatela> did something change with that?!?! (j/k)
13:56 <Imanity> Player monsters tend to have one when they start being generated
13:57 <Imanity> If I'm not at the level I want after killing wraiths, they're my next most reliable source
13:57 <Imanity> With quick kills, they wont get a chance to use it
13:58 <rebatela> i like to usually have one cursed for emergency escape 
14:00 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:1517 (0:11:44)
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14:03 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1720 (0:15:10)
14:05 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1914 (1:21:56)
14:13 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:65121 (10:03:24)
14:14 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:13083 (2:44:16)
14:20 <terrapin> you can kinda levelport past demon lords
14:21 <terrapin> go downstairs to their level, go back up, levelport 2 down, rinse and repeat
14:21 <terrapin> but you still have to go level by level or you'll end up in the middle of a demon lair with no easy escape
14:21 <terrapin> so it's not much quicker than just fighting them in the first place
14:22 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:65732 (10:12:10)
14:30 <Imanity> Still could be useful terrapin. I've made a note of those steps
14:30 <Imanity> Dirge looks like one beast of a weapon
14:31 <Imanity> If can get to skilled or expert, that is
14:33 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Mon Gia Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:4081 (0:45:28)
14:35 <mobileuser> "The two-handed sword welds itself to the champion of Venus' claws!"
14:35 <mobileuser> ^ K2
14:36 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:22731 (4:12:18)
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14:40 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Mon Gia Fem Law) destroyed spenceshady's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:4640 (0:52:27)
14:45 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 cloth oilskin elven helm", on T:53831 (11:13:37)
14:45 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Mon Gia Fem Law), 11346 points, T:4750, killed by a crocodile
15:05 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ThatGuy02 (Con Dro Mal Cha), 13 points, T:239, killed by the wrath of Lolth
15:06 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Splunge's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:17351 (3:36:22)
15:09 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ThatGuy02 (Inf Hum Mal Una), 68 points, T:353, killed by a guard
15:10 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Mon Trt Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4848 (0:23:57)
15:14 <xdminsy> Weee, that elven king.
15:14 <xdminsy> Shoot me 6 runed arrows, I'm -10 AC and take 50 damage one turn.
15:15 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Mon Trt Mal Neu), 4737 points, T:5657, killed by an invisible chameleon imitating a drow mage, while praying
15:16 <Imanity> Elven mobs hurt. Whenever I name sting or orcrist, it's sometimes too early
15:16 <Imanity> Surrounded by bow bois and have to escape and return later on
15:16 <xdminsy> That's really high damage.
15:17 <Imanity> Ye, but pretty standard for elven mobs
15:17 <xdminsy> Then I'm stuck again :P
15:17 <Imanity> Just run away to heal
15:17 <Imanity> then re-engage
15:17 <Imanity> it's only one mob in your way
15:18 <xdminsy> The elven king is from one throne.
15:18 <xdminsy> Beside the entrace of sokoban.
15:18 <Noisytoot> elvenkings have high multishot
15:19 <xdminsy> Yes, I cannot go that level now I think.
15:20 <xdminsy> I'm not sure if I can deal with mintown watches.
15:21 <Noisytoot> +1 from using a non-cursed elven bow, +1 from using non-cursed elven arrows, +1 from both of those and being an elf, +2 from being a prince, +1/3 launcher spe
15:22 <Noisytoot> presumably that elvenking had at least a +3 bow to multishot 6
15:23 <Imanity> Truly befitting of his title
15:24 <xdminsy> I think I need -50 AC before sokoban.
15:24 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 66962 points, T:20718, killed by a shambling horror
15:24 <Imanity> xD
15:24 <Imanity> !lastgame knnn
15:24 <Hecubus_> Imanity: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/knnn/evilhack/dumplog/1656558359.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/knnn/evilhack/dumplog/1697665916.evil.html
15:24 <Noisytoot> multishot gets less powerful if you have some damage reduction
15:24 <Imanity> Like half physical
15:24 <Noisytoot> AC <0 provides damage reduction
15:25 <xdminsy> There's no altars in main dungeon.
15:25 <Imanity> Any fountains for wish?
15:25 <Imanity> assuming you're poison immune
15:25 <xdminsy> I'm going to check, now i'm going to price id my potions.
15:26 <Imanity> If not, dig down on the level the elven king is on
15:26 <Imanity> hopefully you'll have enough resources to fight when you come back to face him
15:26 <Noisytoot> an AC of n reduces damage by rnd(abs(n))
15:26 <xdminsy> I'm afraid that he may one shot me..
15:27 <Noisytoot> (if AC < 0, of course)
15:27 <Imanity> You should find some better armor
15:27 <Imanity> Below him
15:27 <Imanity> Maybe bring potions of unholy water too
15:27 <Imanity> so you can levelport back to your stash if you find any scrolls of tp
15:28 <Noisytoot> half physical is applied after damage reduction from AC
15:28 <xdminsy> I think I may probably find stronger enemies :P
15:29 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:58151 (11:55:53)
15:29 <xdminsy> I know, and seems AC works less well in evilhack.
15:30 <Imanity> I think monsters just have higher base damage
15:30 <Imanity> and are more intelligent
15:31 <Imanity> Looks like knnn got a brain eating shambling horror, but attacked in melee the first time he encountered it...
15:32 <Imanity> Wtf as a wizard too
15:32 <Imanity> Why not cast from range
15:33 <xdminsy> Why he has still int 19.
15:34 <Noisytoot> because elf and only got DRIN'ed once
15:37 <rebatela> damn, Imanity.. you got an atheist ascension? 
15:37 <rebatela> that's badass. congrats 
15:37 <Imanity> Ye
15:37 <Imanity> thanks
15:38 <Imanity> It was hard, but got a lucky holy water start. My attempt before, took 56k turns before finding one in a chest
15:38 <rebatela> right. nice! 
15:38 <rebatela> yeah, holy water is crazy like that. then sometimes you find it on DL1 
15:39 <Imanity> that is by far the biggest hurdle. Scrolls of remove curse are almost never generated blessed, so you can't make it that way
15:39 <xdminsy> Grats that.
15:40 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed the Paladin of Mercury, on T:24236 (15:34:58)
15:40 <rebatela> could polypile other blessed scrolls i guess. but you had conduct too
15:40 <rebatela> pile conduct*
15:40 <Imanity> Aye
15:41 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24239 (15:36:25)
15:46 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 183 points, T:931, killed by a giant mimic
15:47 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) completed his quest without incident, on T:24379 (15:42:16)
15:49 <mobileuser> if you have enough uncursed remove curse, you can just wield a potion of water and read confused
15:49 <Imanity> I had one scroll of remove curse, maybe 2
15:49 <mobileuser> 1/3 chance of holy
15:50 <mobileuser> it's a gamble
15:50 <mobileuser> as Infidel you have the same problem
15:50 <Imanity> ye
15:51 <Imanity> Also had no way to block curses due to magicbane-less. That scroll of remove curse was probably more important, until I got the spell
15:54 <Hecubus_> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:24417 (15:49:51)
15:55 <mobileuser> yay
15:55 <Imanity> Dichotomy time :D
15:55 <mobileuser> got half of it now :-)
15:58 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 614 points, T:1124, killed by a hobbit
16:02 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:59851 (12:11:04)
16:03 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of high boots entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:9416 (1:58:17)
16:06 <mobileuser> nice one rebatela
16:07 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 530 points, T:991, killed by a gnome lady
16:08 <rebatela> i get so nervous in this branch after i kill her. I am always afraid of pissing off 
16:08 <rebatela> (because it REALLY sucks if you make her not peaceful again) 
16:09 <rebatela> thanks mobileuser :)
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16:11 <Imanity> I once angered the pegasus by accident when trying to break bars
16:12 <Imanity> Barely avoided her wrath and escaped. Didn't get all the loot on her level because of it
16:20 <rebatela> yeah I've died a couple times after pacifying. Once when i couldn't see invisible and just bumped into something 
16:21 <Imanity> Even though there's a magic chest nearby, it's not somewhere I like to hang around
16:21 <Imanity> too risky
16:30 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Elf Fem Cha) murdered M, her faithful kitten, on T:3076 (2:15:15)
16:35 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:35362 (6:12:08)
16:37 <xdminsy> That's true rebatela, I price-ided a cursed magic lamp, then later I pickup one holy water from somewhere.
16:37 <xdminsy> And I have dipped one unholy water, 2 hostile water demons.
16:39 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13020 (2:35:08)
16:47 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Elf Fem Cha) destroyed mightyquinn's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:4018 (2:32:39)
16:48 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed +5 grayswandir", on T:61377 (12:40:57)
16:50 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:61471 (12:42:45)
16:51 <mobileuser> I can't handle my engraved silver bell
16:51 <mobileuser> I hope that will be different at invocation time :-)
16:58 <Imanity> Lycanthropy?
16:59 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide helm of brilliance", on T:2 (0:08:28)
16:59 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:61830 (12:49:37)
16:59 <rebatela> wtf chih
17:02 <elenmirie> Greetings all, I'm trying to organise a NetHack meetup in for WorldCon in Glasgow which takes place in August 2024, and I've filled out forms and what they want now is for other people who are interested to fill it in too. Please fill it in and prove that we are somebody!1!! https://glasgow2024.org/programme/express-interest
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17:14 <terrapin> invocation is special-cased
17:15 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Tal'Gath, on T:63103 (13:05:13)
17:16 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:10306 (1:39:30)
17:18 <rebatela> oh so i can genocide beholders now? 
17:18 <rebatela> no need to now because wearing the eyes but i guess that will be nice for later 
17:19 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 15805 points, T:10705, killed by a giant cockroach
17:20 <Imanity> Yes rebatela
17:26 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:22900 (4:44:07)
17:36 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 28308 points, T:23131, killed by a vampire lord
17:39 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Ran Cen Fem Cha) had a knife entrusted to her by Mars, on T:421 (0:03:37)
17:40 <ssnufd> i forget, can i pickaxe the fountains in minetown if im not seen doing it?
17:41 <Imanity> Minetown fountains always dry up without warning when digging to create pools, or when the special effect from dipping a long sword into the fountain occurs. This also angers the watch.
17:41 <Imanity> ssnufd
17:42 <Imanity> But use them for wish
17:42 <Imanity> ieally
17:42 <Imanity> *ideally
17:42 <Imanity> not pools
17:42 <ssnufd> oh thanks!
17:42 <mobileuser> Imanity I am a demon, they can't handle silver
17:42 <Imanity> Ah
17:42 <Imanity> I forget that about all demons
17:43 <K2> champion of venus has claws
17:43 <K2> neat
17:43 <mobileuser> good to know invocation is special cased, thx terrapin
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17:47 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:64217 (13:30:17)
17:48 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:18724 (3:36:30)
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17:57 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7311 (3:41:56)
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17:59 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:67277 (10:37:03)
18:00 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Ran Cen Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2185 (0:25:02)
18:11 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:68135 (10:48:24)
18:11 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "+2 blessed greased fixed gray dragon scale mail", on T:7492 (3:56:42)
18:19 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 65872 points, T:21008, poisoned by a locust, while paralyzed by a monster
18:21 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Ran Cen Fem Cha) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:3715 (0:45:59)
18:22 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7690 (4:07:25)
18:23 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 14816 points, T:7693, quit
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18:23 <Imanity> !lastgame ssnufd
18:23 <Hecubus_> Imanity: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/ssnufd/evilhack/dumplog/1697992124.evil.html
18:24 <Imanity> Stray dagger :(
18:33 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 449 points, T:1331, killed by a wooden crossbow bolt
18:41 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:67160 (14:24:32)
18:41 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:67179 (14:24:48)
18:46 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided black dragons, on T:67228 (14:26:19)
18:47 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:67228 (14:26:24)
19:01 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +5 dragonhide alchemy smock", on T:67881 (14:41:01)
19:02 <Imanity> Rebatela +5, ambitious :)
19:03 <rebatela> heh. didn't get it. I did get +5 on the grayswandir earlier 
19:03 <Imanity> Gambling might save you scrolls in the long run
19:04 <Imanity> Since reading enchant weapon/armor at lower levels has a greater effect
19:04 <Imanity> *lower levels of enchantment
19:18 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:8293 (1:53:19)
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19:24 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 360 points, T:1759, killed by a large mimic
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19:28 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:8981 (2:03:33)
19:46 <Noisytoot> +3 is optimal
19:48 <Pinkbeast> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/enchant-expectations # unless it changed in evilhack, it's usually +2
19:54 <arahael> yasi: Frost giants should throw boulders of ice.  These do not melt in the ice queen level, but once you leave, they do melt pretty much instantly.
20:00 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4622 (0:34:38)
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20:02 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Cav Hum Mal Law), 951 points, T:1400, killed by a pony
20:06 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 251 points, T:422, killed by a piranha
20:27 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Ran Cen Fem Cha), 12618 points, T:5650, killed by a giant leech
20:28 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1305 points, T:3031, killed by a hill orc, while fainted from lack of food
20:35 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 304 points, T:1180, diseased by a kobold zombie
20:38 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:9839 (2:16:04)
20:45 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1446 (0:10:13)
20:52 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 12824 points, T:9875, killed by an air elemental
20:54 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1908 (0:18:59)
20:57 <bouquet> thoughts on sticking with dragonbane, or forging GoPurity, or waiting for Vecna's hand?
20:57 <arahael> If I ever get around to playing a lawful monk, I think I'd definitely go for GoPurity.
20:57 <arahael> I'd have to stop eating Turtle Soup, though. :(
20:57 <bouquet> for sure!
20:57 <bouquet> I happen to be a giant samurai
20:58 <bouquet> I usually tin up other giants and gorge on them to get to 25 naturally. No tinning kit this game, though
20:59 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of decay", on T:10395 (2:37:39)
21:01 <bouquet> Does "death magic resistance" prevent max HP drain?
21:02 <Imanity> bouquet I just checked in wizard mode
21:02 <Imanity> it says "you are unaffected"
21:02 <Imanity> and no hp drained
21:04 <bouquet> I'd probably have better to-hit if I quit wielding grayswandir anyway.
21:09 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 27648 points, T:11159, killed by Mephistopheles
21:14 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:71954 (11:49:48)
21:15 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 oilskin toque", on T:71962 (11:51:01)
21:25 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 mithril large splint mail of decay", on T:71967 (11:51:57)
21:27 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:71988 (11:53:38)
21:32 <bouquet> I think I need the extra 4 AC from dragonbane more than I need anythingg from GoPur.
21:32 <bouquet> at least for now
21:37 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2390 (0:13:25)
21:40 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2654 (0:16:06)
21:41 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:72630 (12:04:22)
21:45 <rebatela> bouquet: I wasnt sure what to do eiarlier either. I had dragonbane, was tempted to just keep it  
21:45 <bouquet> I think I will.
21:45 <rebatela> but i wish for grayswandir and got purity 
21:46 <rebatela> and am gonna use alchemy smock (dhide) for acid 
21:46 <bouquet> I've got the parts to make purity, but I'll lose 4 AC which I desperately need
21:46 <rebatela> i wanted to PW regen 
21:46 <bouquet> ya, and acid resist is pretty essential
21:46 <rebatela> i used to always wish for eota for pw 
21:46 <bouquet> you're a monk, right?
21:46 <rebatela> yes
21:47 <bouquet> I'm 100% a tsurugi wielding tank with barely any power
21:48 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3580 (0:23:40)
21:48 <bouquet> I can offhand angelslayer for 1/2 spell dmg. Muramasa provides 1/2 physical dmg.
21:48 <bouquet> I'll eventually find a tinning kit and get my str up to 25
21:49 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had a bone trident entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:4004 (1:13:33)
21:49 <bouquet> then I'm g2g. Just hope I get the eye from vecna so I can forge sword of anihilation
21:49 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible knnn's ghost, the former Magician, on T:3706 (0:25:23)
21:51 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Dro Mal Cha) murdered his faithful cauchemar, on T:4027 (1:15:39)
21:51 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Kni Dro Mal Cha), 10836 points, T:4027, burned by molten lava
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22:01 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:74134 (12:24:48)
22:01 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:74147 (12:25:05)
22:03 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4753 (0:39:07)
22:03 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had an alchemy smock entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4799 (0:39:30)
22:04 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9330 points, T:4812, killed by a soldier ant
22:04 <Umbire> How much is your AC right now that you need the 4 AC from DBane.
22:05 <Umbire> I don't doubt that you need it but trying to gauge here.
22:08 <bouquet> -39
22:08 <bouquet> every point counts
22:11 <bouquet> I can get another 1 or 2 from a ?oEA
22:11 <bouquet> I could also wield a shield, but I'm dualing tsurugis
22:13 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Ran Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2196 (0:19:51)
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22:18 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Lolth, on T:75267 (12:41:25)
22:18 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:75274 (12:41:50)
22:19 <bouquet> isn't lolth supposed to wield dirge?
22:19 <bouquet> or is that someone else?
22:23 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 199 points, T:937, killed by a gnome lady
22:30 <Umbire> Graz'zt.
22:30 <Umbire> And honestly, I feel like I'd try skating by on -35.
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22:37 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] tealbare (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:69983 (15:48:23)
22:40 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] spenceshady (Ran Dro Fem Cha), 4142 points, T:4671, killed by a soldier ant
22:52 <arahael> I made a very bad decision today. :(
22:52 <bouquet> did you put diesel in a regular gas car?
22:52 <arahael> Abominable Snowman has trapped me, I escaped to the Ice Queen's level, but I don't think I can get back out.
22:53 <bouquet> do you have an oilskin cloak or can of grease?
22:55 <arahael> No.
22:56 <arahael> I have an old wand of fire though.
22:57 <Imanity> You can farm ice queen level for loot drops
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22:57 <Imanity> Will be slow, but eventually you'll get enough attack wands
22:58 <Imanity> or just a wand of tp for him
22:59 <arahael> tp?
22:59 <bouquet> if he's standing on ice and you hit him with a fire wand won't he sink?
22:59 <arahael> I am, at least, wearing magical breathing, but my bag is not waterproof.
22:59 <Imanity> Yeah what's wrong with teleporting the snowman?
23:00 <Imanity> You might take a hit
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23:00 <Imanity> But can kite and escape the domain
23:00 <Imanity> if you need to
23:02 <Umbire> bouquet, the Abominable Snowman has ice-walking.
23:02 <Umbire> Like what this variant did with white dragon scales.
23:03 <arahael> Yeah, I discovered that the snowman doesn't drown.
23:03 <Hecubus_> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 2881 points, T:3750, killed by the Goblin King
23:03 <arahael> Can zap him with fire, he is basically unharmed.
23:04 <arahael> I also seem to have lost my freaking glasses.
23:04 <arahael> (The eyes)
23:04 <Imanity> Do you not have wand of teleport?
23:04 <Imanity> or does it not work?
23:05 <arahael> No.
23:06 <arahael> I do have poly, though.
23:06 <Imanity> I think he has huge MR
23:06 <Imanity> Oh no
23:06 <Imanity> only 50
23:06 <Imanity> Maybe zap him a few times
23:06 <Imanity> cant be worse than the form he's in now
23:07 <Umbire> @e?Abonimable Snowman
23:07 <Hecubus_> Abonimable Snowman ~2~ Abominable Snowman (Y) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 27 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison petrification | Confer: cold | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 8d4 bite physical, 6d6 weapon physical, 6d6 claw knockback | Align: 0 | carnivore, swims, thick hide, regen, nopoly
23:07 <arahael> Good point, but there's a whole lot of baddies with him now, too.
23:07 <Umbire> Also 50 is quite a bit of MR.
23:07 <Imanity> 50% of zaps will be resisted
23:07 <Imanity> isnt that right?
23:08 <Umbire> That's... not how that works, no.
23:08 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Magic_resistance_(monster)#Description
23:08 <arahael> My feeling is tht he'll resist probably all of them.
23:08 <arahael> Which is why he didn't get hit by fire.
23:09 <Imanity> I assume arahael is lvl 15.
23:09 <Imanity> 50/(100+(12-50))
23:09 <Imanity> whoops
23:10 <Imanity> 50/(100+(15)-(25))
23:10 <arahael> Xp16.
23:10 <Imanity> That's a 55% chance Umbire
23:11 <Imanity> So arahael has 45% chance of successful polymorph
23:11 <Umbire> arahael, that's down to AC more than anything.
23:12 <arahael> Ah, interesting.
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23:19 <arahael> I really hope my eyes aren't in the bottom of a pond.
23:24 <Imanity> Cant you use object detection, leave bag on the shore and magical breahing to dive for it?
23:25 <arahael> There is indeed good loot.
23:25 <arahael> Imanity: Ah, yes, but I have to get back to that level first.
23:26 <Imanity> Oh I thought the snowman was dead
23:26 <arahael> I think this game is survivable but I do need to clean out the ice queen's level first and maybe farm. There's a good altar, too, and I should get some protection.
23:26 <arahael> Imanity: Noooo! 
23:26 <Imanity> sadge
23:26 <Imanity> I think polymorph will work
23:26 <Imanity> But clearing is safer
23:30 <arahael> I've found a cursed ring of poly control. Hmm.
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