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00:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1215 points, T:1884, killed by a dwarf zombie
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00:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 1575 points, T:3139, killed by an exploding wand
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00:40 <dbanethacker> tinklebear - you mentioned earlier:  "Good day to thee Sir.  I said Good Day!"    - Was that a Foghorn Leghorn reference, a Willy Wonka reference, or (hopefully?) a Tolkien reference you harrumphed about?
00:46 * tinklebear did not know it belonged to Foghorn Leghorn as well
00:47 <tinklebear> it fits the character though!
00:48 <tinklebear> and I never noticed how Willy Wonka and Gandalf use the same gag
00:49 <dbanethacker> So it IS the "Good morning!" reference in The Hobbit that you pulled it from then, eh?  Nice job!
00:49 <tinklebear> hehe
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01:02 * tinklebear is now beset by doubt, that it isn't Gandalf who says that to Bilbo, but the other way around
01:05 <tinklebear> maybe a hobbit NPC says it, or something
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01:12 <Umbire> It's Bilbo who says it to Gandalf.
01:14 <tinklebear> In Evilhack, whose line is it.
01:15 <tinklebear> I saw it scroll past while watching Splunge somewhere in the Wizard tower, I think
01:16 <tinklebear> (favorite line of all time, however, is "We're all doomed")
01:23 <Umbire> P. sure it's one of those generic maledictions
01:27 * tinklebear checks shoelaces
01:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible karibou's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:13805 (9:30:40)
01:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 12963 points, T:6652, killed by a warg
02:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:14493 (10:06:12)
02:10 <tinklebear> so far so good
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03:29 <tinklebear> @e?Ashikaga Takaugi
03:29 <Hecubus> Ashikaga Takaugi ~1~ Ashikaga Takauji (@) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 12 | Res: petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 40 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 claw amulet steal | Align: -13 | omnivore, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis
03:29 <tinklebear> @e?Twoflower
03:29 <Hecubus> Twoflower (@) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 15 | Res: sleep poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 90 | Gen: unique | AC: 10 | Atk: 4d10 weapon physical | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis
03:41 <tinklebear> "I'll take Continuity Errors for 100 zorkmids, Alex"
03:41 <tinklebear> "Can only be made by the most skilled of blacksmiths in conjunction with a powerful wizard."
03:42 <tinklebear> "What is crystal plate mail."
03:43 <tinklebear> (except it can also be crafted by any old schmuck at a forge with the correct materials and a hammer)
03:47 <tinklebear> @e?Pegasus
03:47 <Hecubus> pegasus (u) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -4 | Atk: 2d6 kick physical, 2d6 kick physical, 4d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | herbivore, flies, oviparous, regen, nopoly, infravis
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03:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:23258 (7:15:21)
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04:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:23565 (7:26:59)
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04:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:25869 (8:09:45)
04:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25873 (8:09:51)
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05:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:26300 (8:17:39)
05:33 <hackemslashem> !tell K2: I might have figured out why some objects don't stack after forging. There's a place in the forging where the output->oprops is set to 0L, but not oprops_known, so I think some forged items might have that happen and the inventory doesn't merge different oprops_known items.
05:33 <Hecubus> I'm on it, hackemslashem.
05:39 <hackemslashem> I have a commit I'll push up to show as well
05:44 <mobileuser> ^ terrapin
05:45 <mobileuser> K2 will be gone for a couple of weeks hackemslashem
05:50 <hackemslashem> Ah right
06:01 <hackemslashem> Just found an interesting bug people can exploit now :)
06:02 <hackemslashem> You can wield a weapon with the excellence property, switch it to the secondary slot, then switch it back, and you'll have a permanent luck bonus 
06:03 <hackemslashem> Working on a fix now :)
06:05 <hackemslashem> I was surprised to find that the excellence property gives +3 luck when wielded. Maybe it's just if it's enchanted? But it's also stacking with the +1 from carrying so you get +4 luck overall
06:08 <Noisytoot> Does that allow you to get over 13 luck?
06:10 <hackemslashem> Probably not but I can check
06:12 <hackemslashem> No, just tested
06:12 <hackemslashem> But I think I have a fix I can PR
06:20 <mobileuser> it's supposed to act like a luckstone when wielded
06:21 <mobileuser> and for armor when worn
06:23 <hackemslashem> That would be a separate bug :)
06:25 <hackemslashem> I gotta check the other possible alternate weapons too, what if giantslayer is granting permanant strength?
06:28 <botifico> [EvilHack] elunna opened pull request #156: Fix: Weapons with the excellence property could grant a permanent luck bonus. - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/156
06:30 <hackemslashem> Ok, looks fine with giantslayer
06:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6572 (1:16:41)
07:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Dro Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:7289 (1:33:15)
07:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 294838 points, T:29127, burned by molten lava
07:24 <k3ut0i> This sucks :(
07:24 <k3ut0i> my 3rd tortle tourist that almost made it to castle.
07:24 <k3ut0i> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
07:25 <k3ut0i> fat fingered it
07:29 <krm26> omigod backscroll -- Splunge did it! that was the craziest ascension ever
07:30 <krm26> 9 life saving, jeez
07:32 <mobileuser> quote: "At least I kept it to a single digit number of deaths." =D
07:32 <krm26> genocided soldier ants, quivering blobs!
07:32 <krm26> i mean he just demonstrated that my careful slow runs are just pointless fluff
07:32 <krm26> i need to rethink my life
07:36 <Umbire> demonstrated by... being a completely different player than you?
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07:43 <Noisytoot> @e?quivering blob
07:43 <Hecubus> quivering blob (b) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 1 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: poison | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 1d8 touch physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, mindless, vegan
07:43 <Noisytoot> They probably blessed-genocided b
07:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:8 (0:00:27)
07:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Dro Fem Cha), 19 points, T:89, killed by a jackal
08:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Dro Fem Cha), 35 points, T:178, killed by a jackal
08:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1220 (0:12:04)
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08:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1094 points, T:3384, killed by a bolt of fire, while sleeping off a magical draught
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09:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1609 (0:14:37)
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09:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:70704 (23:42:51)
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10:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:3030 (0:30:46)
10:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3757 (0:38:20)
10:22 <terrapin> ooh the oprops_known thing is interesting
10:22 <terrapin> i think it would only happen for wizards? and probably not even then if xname isn't called before the oprops are removed
10:24 <terrapin> certainly it can happen because of fooproofing---i've had two stacks of steel shuriken, and the small stack merged with god-gifted shuriken (which would be fixed)
10:29 <terrapin> it's a full moon, that's probably where the +1 luck is from
10:31 <krm26> looks like i'll be getting my first source of mr outside of dramborleg from the castle wand
10:33 <Umbire> Noisytoot, yeah easy enough mistake to make if you assume blessed geno works as in vanilla and you want cubes gone
10:33 <Umbire> far as soldier ants could very easily be a case of "about to fucking die"
10:37 <terrapin> i think the reason the olduswapwep checks aren't really there compared to olduwep is because uswapwep can't be changed without untwoweaponing, which takes care of that
10:42 <terrapin> oh no it's from setworn
10:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4844 (1:03:33)
10:44 <hackemslashem> terrapin: I noticed that earlier about the full moon, so it should be fine after the fix I made
10:45 <hackemslashem> It's weird because I tested removing some of the stuff that checks when a luck item (with a property) is added to inventory, and it didn't really affect it. 
10:46 <terrapin> affect which bit?
10:46 <hackemslashem> Oh, just having the luck bonus without actually wielding it. But you do have to wield it
10:46 <hackemslashem> Or wear it.
10:47 <hackemslashem> I should probably test it again after the new moon...
11:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:73623 (1 day, 0:52:16)
11:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:7769 (1:26:57)
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11:08 <krm26> what is the command to send in-game mail to someone?
11:09 <Loggers_VIII> m
11:10 <krm26> utilized how? m Loggers_VIII hi? need to specify server or variant?
11:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible McPanther's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:9869 (2:11:48)
11:13 <krm26> help /msg
11:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:804 (0:04:38)
11:15 <Umbire> Log in to same server, hit m while watching his game
11:15 <krm26> oh duh, for some reason thought there was a user command do that from here, brain just not on
11:15 <Umbire> or their game I thought you meant Loggers_VIII himself
11:17 <krm26> if i send mail to loggers he just takes out another restraining order
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11:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:74570 (1 day, 1:10:37)
11:24 <Loggers_VIII> sorry I went to eat breakfast
11:24 <Loggers_VIII> yeah you have to do it from in game
11:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:10857 (2:25:11)
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11:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law) had a long sword entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:75249 (1 day, 1:21:56)
11:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2085 (0:21:44)
11:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2445 (0:25:32)
11:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:5109 (0:41:14)
11:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1017 (0:08:43)
11:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:75884 (1 day, 1:46:07)
12:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a steel dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:5792 (0:46:06)
12:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) made his first wish - "Blessed greased fixed +3 bone gauntlets of power", on T:1056 (0:14:18)
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12:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:13237 (3:10:19)
12:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:13277 (3:11:14)
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12:15 <terrapin> oh i think i know why dbanethacker's dragon went hostile---baby dragons can't see invis but adults can, so the adult would notice dragonbane
12:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 21138 points, T:13489, killed by a centaurian sergeant
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12:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:3298 (0:36:19)
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12:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 534 points, T:1166, killed by a gas cloud
12:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:60052 (1 day, 10:43:17)
12:44 <Loggers_VIII> >go to a bunch of trouble to forge an enchanted trident
12:44 <Loggers_VIII> >gets cancelled five minutes later by a gnome lord with a wand
12:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Hea Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the dark elven priestess of Poseidon, on T:3773 (1:09:44)
12:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a helm of telepathy entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:8963 (0:59:23)
12:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:9986 (1:06:19)
12:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:6457 (1:09:28)
12:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (black dragons), on T:10208 (1:09:13)
13:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2765 (0:21:14)
13:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:3057 (0:23:41)
13:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 1728 points, T:3689, killed by a warhorse called Ralph
13:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 20038 points, T:11825, killed by a centaurian watchman
13:10 <Loggers_VIII> oops
13:10 <Loggers_VIII> fatfinger
13:10 <Loggers_VIII> sigh
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13:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 148 points, T:541, killed by a system shock
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13:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 9701 points, T:7684, poisoned by a giant spider
13:19 <Imanity> Oneshot by his poison attack. Lovely
13:19 <krm26> mmmm tasty poison instadeath
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13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:20 (0:00:15)
13:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:27 (0:00:19)
13:21 <Imanity> None of these are leaving corpses
13:21 <Imanity> idk what's going on
13:22 <Imanity> My god loves freshly killed pet remains
13:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:2 (0:00:06)
13:22 <krm26> what are you trying to achieve :-)
13:23 <Imanity> Bored while start scumming
13:23 <Imanity> for identify start
13:24 <krm26> eh, i'd rather have magic missile
13:26 <Imanity> Is it still op in evilhack?
13:26 <Imanity> Haven't used the spell that much
13:26 <mobileuser> same as vanilla
13:26 <Imanity> Pretty efficient then
13:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14737 (3:33:11)
13:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a knife entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:15299 (3:43:21)
13:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1132 (0:08:43)
13:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 219 points, T:1512, killed by a hobbit, while unconscious from rotten food
14:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4227 (0:31:54)
14:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 446 points, T:1823, killed by a wand
14:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 3042 points, T:4593, killed by a panther
14:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2745 (0:36:20)
14:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 639 points, T:1090, killed by falling down a mine shaft
14:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:40879 (18:46:50)
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14:45 <dbanethacker> Hello all - was pleasantly surprised to be healed by a nurse below the castle on Charon's level which is also above Gehennon (sp?).  It saved me a few steps to have to go upstairs and I cornered her so she added on to my HP until she disappeared (sob).
14:47 <krm26> careful nurse dancing in the wild! being naked can be very dangerous if you aren't in a controlled environment
14:49 <Noisytoot> what kind of a controlled environment is safe?
14:50 <krm26> like inside a boulder fort in sokoban isn't bad
14:52 <Noisytoot> a 5x5 boulder fort with free space for 8 nurses around you?
14:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:41839 (19:08:49)
14:54 <dbanethacker> Now that's a party!
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15:00 <krm26> darn forgeless dungeon
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15:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:83564 (1 day, 5:02:40)
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15:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:3188 (0:53:45)
15:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3467 (0:55:51)
15:37 <krm26> i miss the valley stairs
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15:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:84731 (1 day, 5:32:49)
15:45 <krm26> k2: mounts are still blinded when you cast light, i think this was something you mentioned you wanted to fix a while ago?
15:46 <dbanethacker> Hidden Dungeon?
15:47 <hackemslashem> K2 is on vacation I think
15:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Pri Dro Mal Cha), 1303 points, T:3328, killed by the Goblin King
15:49 <terrapin> dbanethacker: https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/1c704a9a7a173f21cd60e966afd810ac059a551d
15:52 <krm26> yeah grand high poobah beholder lair under the castle
15:52 <hackemslashem> What if Tal and Xanathar had a fight, who wins?
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15:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed Tal'Gath, on T:85166 (1 day, 5:43:50)
16:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4414 (0:43:09)
16:08 <Imanity> Are the trapdoors random in goblin king's lair?
16:09 <terrapin> it is randomized between 5 different spots each game, but those five spots don't change
16:09 <Imanity> Is there a picture on where they are on the wiki?
16:10 <krm26> not that i'm aware, but it is in the .des file
16:11 <terrapin> on either map, there's one spot in each of the three prison cells
16:11 <Imanity> krm26 Ok, will download and check it out
16:12 <terrapin> on the old map, there's a spot up and to the right from the entry portal, and another up and to the left of the throne room
16:12 <terrapin> on the new map, there's a spot just below the shop, and another below the two trees in the top left area
16:12 <Imanity> Nice ty terrapin
16:13 <Imanity> Gonna ss this and use as reference. Rarely find the trapdoor on the new map
16:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 204 points, T:1095, killed by an exploding mithril chest
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16:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Dro Mal Cha) stole 3723 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Gweebarra's second-hand bookstore, on T:2352 (0:35:39)
16:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2928 points, T:5867, poisoned by an orcish arrow
16:30 <Imanity> 3rd char to die to poison from first attack in combat
16:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2734 (0:44:03)
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16:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Mon Dro Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (water nymphs), on T:2760 (0:45:42)
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16:48 <terrapin> hackemslashem, i just got that "-10 objects" from can_carry()---it was a plate mail and a ring mail in a shop this time
16:50 <hackemslashem> post bandaid fix?
16:50 <terrapin> yeah
16:50 <hackemslashem> boo
16:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1631 (0:14:53)
16:51 <terrapin> the weight per object was correct; not sure what could have gone wrong
16:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 137 points, T:373, killed by a bolt of cold
16:51 <hackemslashem> My brain is a bit fried tonight, I can probably give it a little time on Sunday, I still have the original recording open in rr
16:52 <terrapin> cool
16:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1070 points, T:1737, killed by a gnome lady
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16:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) made her first wish - "cursed fixed +3 bone gauntlets of power", on T:13574 (2:13:38)
16:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 75 points, T:420, killed by a fox
16:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4125 (0:43:35)
17:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1138 (0:08:37)
17:12 <Imanity> Any idea on how to get my pet to move over squeaky board?
17:12 <Imanity> Tried moving out of range and waiting
17:12 <Imanity> DIsplacing it over the board
17:12 <Imanity> It's the only way out of the goblin king's lair
17:13 <Imanity> Finally he moved. I hate nethack pet AI
17:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1677 (0:13:31)
17:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 900 points, T:1700, killed by a piranha
17:22 <terrapin> Imanity, turns out the first goblin town map was already on the wiki; now the second is too
17:23 <Imanity> Ty terrapin
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17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 6389 points, T:7086, killed by a mumak
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17:39 <tinklebear> Imanity, if a squeaky board blocks a corridor like so ...^...
17:39 <tinklebear> then what I would try to do, to get a pet to move over it....
17:40 <Imanity> That's what I was trying to do for 500 turns
17:40 <Imanity> But he refused to move
17:40 <tinklebear> is arrange things like so (suppose the pet was a dog): ..@d^..
17:40 <tinklebear> and just wait. I would be very surprised if I had to wait 500 turns
17:41 <Imanity> Couldnt do that. Was a . above the square right of the trap
17:41 <Imanity> *above and to the right of the trap
17:41 <Imanity> so he would always move there
17:41 <tinklebear> put something cursed there
17:42 <Imanity> That's not a bad plan
17:42 <Imanity> Or maybe I throw cursed things at my pet
17:42 <Imanity> Til it behaves xD
17:42 <tinklebear> I try to carry a couple somethings light and cursed for pet manipulation
17:43 <Imanity> There were probably a few things around
17:43 <Imanity> But bizarre this one squeaky board stumped the pet completely
17:43 <tinklebear> they are attuned to and averse to traps
17:43 <tinklebear> :D
17:44 <Imanity> Noticed sometimes I have games where pets do what I want, and others where they don't
17:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Splunge's ghost, the former Footpad, on T:1497 (0:13:36)
17:44 <Imanity> Like it's in the code xD
17:44 <tinklebear> yeah, it really does seem like they have personality sometimes!
17:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:14985 (2:56:23)
17:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:37983 (9:40:09)
17:47 <tinklebear> I found karibou's little dog the other day wandering around the Oracle level, and she (Lucy) seemed like such a sweetie
17:47 <tinklebear> verisimilitude!
17:47 * tinklebear doesn't usually tame dogs
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17:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 1183 points, T:2997, killed by a piranha
17:53 <tinklebear> I was thinking more about MR-less conduct, after people were talking about it yesterday
17:53 <tinklebear> (I think it was yesterday...)
17:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:16092 (3:03:22)
17:55 <tinklebear> One thing someone brought up was "But Touch-of-Death casters will just appear next to you out of nowhere and YASD you, so you'll need to be constantly hallucinating"
17:55 <Imanity> Can't you use amulet of MR?
17:55 <tinklebear> MR-less conduct
17:55 <Imanity> Oh
17:55 <Imanity> Not just nudist
17:55 <tinklebear> no, but nudist would be a fun complement to the conduct
17:56 <Imanity> I think nudst is impossible in evilhack xD
17:56 * tinklebear disagrees, with some reason
17:56 <tinklebear> I do keep dying, but I think it's a skill issue :D
17:57 <terrapin> pretty sure vaderFLAG's done it
17:57 <tinklebear> as a tortle
17:57 <tinklebear> quite an impressive achievement
17:58 <tinklebear> anyways, the the ToD casters do *not* just appear out of nowhere.
17:58 <Imanity> Ah ye, I see it on the scoreboard
17:58 <tinklebear> not generally. They warp to you, and you just weren't paying attention or whatever
17:59 <Imanity> Think you get at least a turn upon entering the level
17:59 <tinklebear> and Evilhack already nerfs this problem, since with telepathy you see all spellcasters even when not blind
18:00 <tinklebear> (always a remote possibility for a purple L to truly spawn adjacent, but that would simply be a rare act of god)
18:01 <terrapin> only clerical casters have telepathy
18:01 <terrapin> but in general i agree
18:01 <terrapin> especially since non-alhoons in theory can't get to you without spending at least a turn in extrinsic ESP range
18:02 <tinklebear> Elven wizards don't have telepathy?
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18:02 <terrapin> oh, i think they do
18:02 <tinklebear> (I assume they aren't clerical)
18:02 <tinklebear> @e?Master Lich
18:02 <Hecubus> master lich (L) | Lvl: 17 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -4 | Atk: 3d6 touch cold, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -15 | genocidable, breathless, regen, poisonous, covetous
18:03 <terrapin> regardless of the exact criteria for telepathy (if there is a consistent one), 'L's don't have it.
18:03 <tinklebear> well, that's interesting!
18:03 <tinklebear> so, not all spellcasters
18:04 <tinklebear> still, the problem is not so unsurmountable as it was initially stated
18:05 <tinklebear> @e?Arch-lich
18:05 <Hecubus> arch-lich (L) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -6 | Atk: 5d6 touch cold, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -15 | genocidable, breathless, regen, poisonous, covetous
18:05 <tinklebear> slow as all hell
18:05 <tinklebear> the purple L
18:05 <terrapin> i really hope you're right
18:05 <tinklebear> @e?alhoon
18:05 <Hecubus> alhoon (h) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -6 | Atk: 1d10 weapon physical, 5d6 touch cold, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -15 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, covetous, infravis
18:05 <terrapin> i've got a master lich at the castle and a distinct lack of MR
18:05 <tinklebear> woah
18:06 <tinklebear> excitement!
18:06 <terrapin> should be fine if i can ID hallucination
18:06 <terrapin> then ring of p'hul is my first wish because gelcubes terrify me. miraculously, i haven't run into one yet
18:07 <tinklebear> I was wondering how you were dealing with them, if at all
18:07 <tinklebear> p'hul is free action, then?
18:07 <terrapin> yeah
18:10 <terrapin> wow, got 19 "This bear trap is difficult to disarm"s in a row
18:10 <tinklebear> no lie there
18:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4106 (0:53:12)
18:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18135 (3:20:14)
18:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:38800 (10:04:00)
18:11 <terrapin> what the fuck
18:11 <terrapin> did it just jump of a cliff or something?
18:11 <tinklebear> step on a fire trap maybe?
18:11 <tinklebear> lol
18:12 <terrapin> that would make sense. but apparently it can swim
18:12 <terrapin> bizarre
18:12 <tinklebear> it's a snowman
18:12 <terrapin> i didn't even get near it
18:12 <tinklebear> fire bad
18:12 <tinklebear> sort of like rust traps and iron golems
18:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 892 points, T:2920, killed by a straw golem
18:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 58058 points, T:18901, killed by a mountain centaur, while reading a book
18:17 <terrapin> aha, there's a giant corpse on the bridge. probably infected the snowman before getting clobbered, then the snowman died of sickness
18:18 <terrapin> (which seems a bit weird, but i think it's more of a bigfoot-type creature than a literal snowman
18:18 <terrapin> )
18:18 <Imanity> Yeah, would expect it to be immune
18:19 <tinklebear> @e?abominable snowman
18:19 <Hecubus> Abominable Snowman (Y) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 27 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison petrification | Confer: cold | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 8d4 bite physical, 6d6 weapon physical, 6d6 claw knockback | Align: 0 | carnivore, swims, thick hide, regen, nopoly
18:19 <tinklebear> uber yeti
18:21 <tinklebear> what is the payoff at the ice queen, for a tortle?
18:22 * tinklebear assumes pegasus is not part of it
18:22 <terrapin> Bag of the Hesperides, and (greater) pegasi are awesome pets even if you don't ride them
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18:23 <tinklebear> I always forget about the bag. Weird
18:23 <tinklebear> cool
18:28 * tinklebear just realised terrapin is an illithid, not a tortle
18:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:497 (0:33:42)
18:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (pyrolisks), on T:505 (0:34:04)
18:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 3247 points, T:6597, killed by an Uruk-hai
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18:45 * tinklebear just sent (the permablind) terrapin a scroll of mail asking why wearing 200agate ring is preferable to warning
18:45 <terrapin> i'm an XL15 priest so i have it intrinsically
18:45 <terrapin> and i haven't id'd the ring anyway
18:45 <tinklebear> ah. cool.
18:46 <terrapin> i recently learned that the agate ring is not slow digestion or free action, so i probably should switch it out anyway, though
18:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3707 (0:33:35)
18:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3759 (0:34:17)
18:52 <tinklebear> @e?gelatinous cube
18:52 <Hecubus> gelatinous cube (b) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 8 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison acid petrification | Confer: fire cold sleep shock | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 2d4 touch paralyze, 1d4 engulf wrap, 1d4 passive paralyze | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, mindless, vegan
18:53 <tinklebear> @e?cockatrice
18:53 <Hecubus> cockatrice (c) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Atk: 1d3 bite physical, 0d0 touch petrification, 0d0 passive petrification | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, oviparous, touch petrifies, infravis
18:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 1986 points, T:1148, killed by a piranha, while being terrified of a ghost
18:53 <tinklebear> @e?chickatrice
18:53 <Hecubus> chickatrice (c) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 4 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 1d2 bite physical, 0d0 touch petrification, 0d0 passive petrification | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, touch petrifies, infravis
18:54 <tinklebear> ^ (reviewing the AC of selected dangerous beasts)
19:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a steel long sword of excellence on an altar, on T:5252 (0:54:17)
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19:12 <Loggers_VIII> !whereis grouchy
19:12 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] Grouchy [evil]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:60651 The Dungeons of Doom level: 29
19:12 <krm26> terrapin, there is also the chance of a marker along with the bag
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19:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:6232 (1:02:55)
19:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Dro Fem Cha), 7756 points, T:3008, killed by a piranha
19:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2298 (0:39:45)
19:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2526 (0:41:57)
19:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Splunge's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:8424 (1:38:17)
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19:56 <Imanity> Can plate mail or banded mail be made from glass?
19:59 <Umbire> Yes
19:59 <Imanity> Nice
19:59 <Imanity> WIll still prob be heavy
19:59 <Umbire> wait no
20:00 <Umbire> I think it can but I don't recall seeing any
20:00 <Umbire> You want bone plate/banded if you're looking for something lighter
20:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven spear entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:87038 (1 day, 0:09:57)
20:00 <Umbire> even wood'll do the job if you proof it
20:00 <Imanity> Don't have any components which are lighter
20:01 <Imanity> Maybe I'll hold off for now then
20:01 <Imanity> Hope some dilithium comes my way xD
20:03 <Imanity> Eh fuck it. Banded mail is only 100 more aum
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20:11 <tinklebear> "Beware, for Ixoth hath surrounded himself with hordes of foul creatures"
20:11 <tinklebear> King Arthur dropping some clue bombs
20:12 <Imanity> Looks like glass isn't available as a material Umbire
20:13 <Imanity> Stone would work and let me spellcast without penalty, but I've never seen a stone scale/ring mail
20:15 <tinklebear> chapter 1, step 3 "find two gemstone or metallic objects ..."
20:16 <tinklebear> so no glass on the anvil I guess
20:16 <Imanity> It says mineral is ok though
20:16 <Imanity> In the recipe I'm trying to make
20:16 <tinklebear> ^ K2, update the handbook 
20:18 <Umbire> Glass isn't mineral 
20:18 <Imanity> I know
20:18 <Umbire> (where NetHack is concerned)
20:18 <Imanity> It's stone
20:18 <tinklebear> do it for science, Imanity
20:18 <Umbire> No, as in it's a distinct material from stone
20:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2926 points, T:4198, quit
20:18 <Umbire> And isn't gemstone or metallic
20:20 * tinklebear is pretty sure I've seen stone ring mail, doubts it is impossible
20:20 <Imanity> Likely pretty rare
20:21 <tinklebear> sure
20:21 <tinklebear> if you've got a mineral item, make it less rare!
20:21 <tinklebear> :D
20:22 <Umbire> Stone mail is absolutely a thing
20:22 <tinklebear> (or stone plate mail, as you prefer)
20:22 <Umbire> Stone plate mail would be awful for an illithid
20:22 <Imanity> Was trying to make stone banded mail
20:22 <Umbire> needs carrycap out the ass
20:23 <Imanity> Only 250 aum for 6 AC
20:23 <Umbire> stone isn't gemstone or metallic either
20:23 <Imanity> It says the item can be mineral
20:23 <Imanity> when I went to forge
20:23 <Umbire> Hm, was that a recent addition then?
20:23 <Imanity> Maybe
20:24 <Umbire> lemme just double-check the blacksmith book text
20:24 <tinklebear> we did that Umbire. it is apparently wrong
20:24 <tinklebear> according to the in-game at-forge prompts Imanity gets
20:24 <Umbire> Yep, book-induced misunderstanding
20:24 <Imanity> Try forging an item with steel scale mail base and glass plate mail secondary
20:24 <Umbire> output-induced*
20:24 <Imanity> WIll give the 3 options
20:24 <Umbire> No mention of allowing mineral yet
20:30 * tinklebear wonders what combining scale mail with plate mail is supposed to produce
20:31 <Imanity> Not glass plate mail
20:31 <Imanity> glass ring mail
20:31 <Imanity> makes banded mail
20:31 <tinklebear> ty for clarifying
20:31 <tinklebear> did it work?
20:32 <Imanity> It wouldnt work
20:32 <tinklebear> :(
20:32 <Imanity> That's just the step to get the display "mineral, gemstone or metalic"
20:32 <Imanity> Which suggests you can make the item from stone
20:32 <tinklebear> science at work
20:33 <tinklebear> it does indeed
20:33 <tinklebear> suggest that
20:33 <tinklebear> you'll need some stone then
20:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1185 (0:13:58)
20:34 <tinklebear> *stone items
20:34 <Imanity> Love how my pseudodragon attacks goblin king when he's half hp
20:34 <Imanity> Maybe time to restart
20:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12239 (2:19:04)
20:37 <Umbire> Why restart?
20:37 <Umbire> Oh, lost your peet
20:37 <Umbire> duh
20:37 <Imanity> Ye, early game is too troublesome without a pet
20:38 <Imanity> Not so keen on variant 2. With variant 1, you can feed your pet kills to reach max evolution before facing goblin king
20:38 <Imanity> Even so, idk why he decided to attack. Shouldn't recognised he's way weaker
20:38 <Imanity> *Should've
20:39 <terrapin> where does forging display "mineral, gemstone, or metallic" ?
20:40 <tinklebear> @e?goblin king
20:40 <Hecubus> Goblin King (o) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: unique | AC: 7 | Atk: 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical | Align: -15 | omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravis
20:40 <Imanity> When you use steel scale mail as base, and glass plate mail as secondary
20:40 <tinklebear> glass *ring* mail, maybe?
20:40 <Imanity> *glass ring mail
20:40 <tinklebear> jinx
20:40 <Imanity> Yep, reading from the above recipe
20:41 <terrapin> ah
20:41 <terrapin> yeah, it says it must be "gemstone or metallic". gemstone a.k.a. crystal is not glass, and it's really only included for the recipes with precious stones and the rare dwarvish weapon
20:42 <terrapin> glass/stone plate mail can generate or be wished for, but it isn't forgeable
20:42 <Imanity> Think it said mineral before gemstone for me
20:44 <tinklebear> in variant 2, is there always a trapdoor near the shop entrance?
20:44 <Imanity> 1/5 chance
20:44 <tinklebear> oh
20:44 <tinklebear> tricky!
20:44 <terrapin> oh, so it does, Imanity. my local was a few commits behind
20:45 <terrapin> ah, it was the sling bullet commit
20:45 <Imanity> Might've been added when K2 did his update, I know there were a few other recipes
20:45 <terrapin> rocks are an ingredient now, hence the "mineral." but, no other mineral objects are allowed
20:46 <Imanity> What can be made with rocks?
20:46 <terrapin> 3 rocks + 1 dart = 3-4 sling bullets
20:46 <Imanity> Oh
20:46 <Imanity> So just for that recipe
20:46 <Imanity> My dreams as a tanky wizard are over :(
20:46 <terrapin> :(
20:47 <terrapin> that's what giant wizards are for!
20:47 <Imanity> Heard they can only use large banded mail+chromatic dragon scales tho
20:47 <terrapin> goodness knows that they're crap at actually being wizards
20:47 <tinklebear> tbh, it was pretty cringe when Game of Thrones tv series introduced obsidian weapons, but *forged* them instead of making them the old fashioned way
20:47 <terrapin> true, giant wizards can't wear much armor. they get lots of HP though!
20:48 <Imanity> Hungerless regen too?
20:48 <terrapin> yeah
20:48 <Imanity> Pretty pog
20:48 <Imanity> I love having ring of regen start
20:48 <Imanity> Would be even better
20:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:13365 (2:34:13)
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21:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3154 (0:42:27)
21:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:17293 (3:06:15)
21:26 <Umbire> Illithid wizards are as far from "tanky" as mortally possible anyway
21:26 <Umbire> comparatively speaking, anyway
21:26 <Imanity> That's more of a reason to get all the AC you can
21:26 <Imanity> Early on
21:26 <Umbire> Which is true, but that only gets you so far
21:27 <Umbire> Also you're thinking of large splint mail which is giant samurai only
21:27 <Umbire> Unless...?
21:27 <Imanity> It's race locked too?
21:27 <Imanity> Guess only hope would be chromatic
21:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) murdered Philly, his faithful large cat, on T:17561 (3:12:28)
21:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed bag of holding", on T:17858 (3:18:15)
21:36 <Umbire> Yeah lack of body armor is a by-design drawback
21:37 <Imanity> But not even being able to make the traditional dragon scaled armor
21:37 <Imanity> Must have an insane base AC, to match that drawback
21:38 <Umbire> Insane, no
21:38 <Umbire> But base AC of 6 vs. standard 10 is pretty good
21:38 <Umbire> as is 25 STR cap, super high Con for HP, throwing boulders
21:38 <Imanity> 25 Str is nice
21:39 <Imanity> Sounds like much of the power is in early game then
21:39 <Umbire> giant infidels can wear armor if they crown, giant caveman can safely eat other giants
21:39 <Umbire> (like most cavemen with same-race food)
21:39 <Imanity> Yeah
21:39 <Imanity> No way I'd play as giant wizard then
21:39 <Imanity> Especially not for the conducts I'm trying
21:42 <Umbire> Giant wizard isn't nearly as great in mental stats but it more than suffices to avoid squishynes
21:42 <Umbire> s*
21:42 <Umbire> phhbt
21:43 <Umbire> Oh nvm, 14 Int is... still rough but you still have 18 Wis 
21:44 <Umbire> your giantness can still compensate easily, armor/amulet slots are gonna be on the strict side though
21:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12282 (2:48:36)
21:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 6306 points, T:6590, quit
21:53 <terrapin> what conducts are you going for, Imanity?
21:54 <Imanity> Atheist, and a few others
21:54 <terrapin> oh, neat
21:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Dro Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a lesser homunculus, on T:13169 (2:56:56)
21:55 <Imanity> Problem is, when I start with identify, I die to zombies. When I start with cure sickness, I don't use it once
21:55 <Imanity> Dying to something like poison, due to lack of safe corpses
21:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 66322 points, T:20860, killed by the Minion of Huhetotl
21:55 <terrapin> darn :(
21:55 <Umbire> F
21:55 <Imanity> I'm sure it's possible without start scumming, but these seem the easiest
21:55 <nabru> D:
21:56 <terrapin> priests get holy water; you could use that for emergency sickness cures and hope for an identify spell
21:56 <Imanity> It's like a 1/50 chance for each spellbook to be identify tho
21:59 <Imanity> Think once I get out of early game, will be smooth sailing
22:00 <tinklebear> good luck, Imanity
22:01 <Imanity> thanks tinklebear
22:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 593 points, T:1067, killed by a mountain dwarf, while fainted from lack of food
22:05 <tinklebear> :(
22:05 <Imanity> Dark level+no food
22:05 <Imanity> Not much can do, gnomish mines was best bet
22:06 <tinklebear> I struggle with many early-game food-challenged roles
22:06 <krm26> you can generally eat off of prayer alone if you don't use prayer for anything else
22:06 * tinklebear always plays atheist
22:06 <Imanity> Can't pray. Atheist
22:06 <krm26> ...ok
22:06 <tinklebear> the mines are one solution. another, that someone once told me, is to get down below dungeon level 3
22:07 <tinklebear> seems to work most of the time
22:07 <krm26> goblin king makes food much more available, just go eat goblins
22:07 <Imanity> There should've been dozens of monsters in the mines
22:07 <Imanity> But only 2 left corpses
22:07 <tinklebear> oh, right. goblin king is an option, as long as you hit the portal in reasonable time
22:07 <krm26> goblin king is a much more reliable corpse source than mines (at least original layout)
22:07 <Imanity> ye
22:08 <Imanity> Variant 2 is kind of problematic. Need a strong pet or around lvl 5 to deal with him
22:08 <tinklebear> (anyway, I don't know if the below-dlvl-3 thing is valid, but that's what I've heard, and I kind of find it works)
22:08 <krm26> well, wizards can easily kill the goblin king to get past him with their starting kit a good chunk of the time
22:08 <krm26> what is the below dl3 thing?
22:09 <Imanity> I've found it's difficult unless you have above 40 power
22:09 <tinklebear> that food rations turn up more frequently
22:09 <krm26> really?
22:09 * tinklebear has no idea if it is actually true, but is happy to pretend that it is
22:09 <terrapin> 40 power is like XL2 for illithids
22:09 <Imanity> Around lvl 4-5
22:10 <krm26> you shouldn't be using any power if you are having starvation problems
22:10 <tinklebear> I just kind of like trying to make it to early sokoban, tbh. it's kind of an excuse
22:10 <Imanity> There can be pretty nasty monsters in sokoban though
22:10 <Imanity> like red q
22:10 <tinklebear> yes. sokoban is a trap.
22:11 <tinklebear> a deadly trap that leaves no bones
22:11 <Imanity> xD
22:11 <tinklebear> whether the food-ration frequency is true, I think there also do tend to be meatier monster corpses lower into the dungeon 
22:12 <tinklebear> ...than in the first three levels
22:12 <Umbire> You only need to go into the first floor or so for Soko if you're just stocking up on food
22:12 <tinklebear> ...but traversing the Oracle, as low-level character, can be a tough challenge
22:12 <Umbire> but yeah, as ever spend your power wisely while you're a wizard
22:13 <tinklebear> *Oracle level
22:13 <Imanity> Fairly sure there are a few guaranteed zombies on her level too
22:13 <Umbire> though, as an illithid you should be well into hungerless casting territory anyway
22:14 <tinklebear> there can be leocrotta and all kinds of tough guys on first level of soko, Umbire
22:14 <tinklebear> but you know that, of course
22:14 <Umbire> depends how soon you blitz
22:15 <Umbire> I consider the zombies more pressing personally
22:16 <tinklebear> when I do this, once on Oracle level I am whistling past the graveyard, moving ASAP to find the downstair.
22:17 <tinklebear> I don't stick around to find the Zs, and I'm usually knight, riding the starting pony (or horse), so quite fast, relatively speaking
22:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 98387 points, T:22060, killed by a dark elven sergeant
22:19 <tinklebear> its actually the werecreatures that tend catch me there more often, or so it seems to me
22:20 <Umbire> You have turn undead as a knight, granted you need like
22:20 <Umbire> XL 6? 7? for it to work any
22:20 <tinklebear> I play atheist always, Umbire
22:21 <Umbire> ah
22:21 <tinklebear> anyways, beware free advice (especially from strangers who always lose)
22:22 <tinklebear> :D
22:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:15193 (3:24:58)
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22:23 <hasselhoff> Is there any advantage of a leather bag of holding vs a normal bag of holding
22:24 <krm26> heavier!
22:24 <krm26> (so, no)
22:25 <tinklebear> leather interior!
22:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1448 (0:10:29)
22:25 <tinklebear> \o/
22:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2048 (0:10:42)
22:29 <hasselhoff> lol just aesthetics
22:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:87945 (1 day, 1:11:31)
22:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:44847 (12:03:22)
22:31 <hasselhoff> interesting. when a zombie is trapped in a web. Other monsters don't attack it.
22:33 <tinklebear> that is indeed interesting
22:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:88014 (1 day, 1:16:10)
22:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:88015 (1 day, 1:16:18)
22:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:88015 (1 day, 1:16:26)
22:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:88016 (1 day, 1:16:33)
22:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) genocided arch-liches, on T:88016 (1 day, 1:16:46)
22:35 <bouquet> c-c-c-COMBO!
22:36 <tinklebear> sparing the chickatrices for the petting zoo, bouquet?
22:39 <bouquet> they come in useful as corpses.
22:39 <hasselhoff> I wonder if sparing the trapped zombies is a bug or intentional behavior (for some reason)
22:39 <bouquet> I've got a file ~/Documents/genocide which I keep track of my faves
22:40 <bouquet> on stoner on there is basilisk
22:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 1291 points, T:3246, killed by a dwarf lady
22:43 <tinklebear> wikipedia entry on basilisk is pretty wild
22:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3661 (0:31:37)
22:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 182 points, T:1273, killed by a fox
22:48 <Imanity> Where's the magic key in gollum's lair?
22:48 <terrapin> the chest on the rightmost island
22:49 <Imanity> Would be so much easier to get there if I had a method of traversing over water
22:49 <hasselhoff> indeed
22:49 * tinklebear loves boats
22:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:46284 (12:22:00)
22:50 <hasselhoff> had a lucky drop of magical breathing, on one of the first levels, in my last convict game. so that helped. but otherwise, pretty tricky to get to early game!
22:51 <Imanity> No keys have spawned so far, and I'm on DL 8
22:51 <Imanity> So would be even more useful
22:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2686 points, T:4610, withered away
23:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:88807 (1 day, 1:41:40)
23:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Lolth, on T:88814 (1 day, 1:42:24)
23:03 <Umbire> how long does it take to surface with that iron ball
23:03 <Umbire> Unless you'd already ditched it by then
23:03 <hasselhoff> when you zap a pet with speed monster in evilhack, does that give the pet permanent speed?
23:03 <Umbire> Yes
23:03 <Umbire> Monsters that gain speed gain it permanently
23:03 <Imanity> Weird, the starting area for a floor, was an enclosed box with no walls
23:03 <hasselhoff> ok good
23:04 <Imanity> Searched for a few hundred turns on all walls
23:04 <Umbire> No doors, you mean?
23:04 <Imanity> Ye
23:04 <Imanity> I wish it had no walls xD
23:04 <Umbire> Sometimes that happens, you just have to find the secret doors
23:04 <Imanity> I'll try blasting force bolt
23:04 <Umbire> That's not necessary
23:05 <Imanity> Hundreds of turns spent searching
23:05 <Imanity> Secret doors should've been revealed
23:05 <Umbire> It's tricky in the beginning, I do 20s, move 3 squares along the wall, 20s, repeat
23:06 <Umbire> that way I cover as much wall as possible without as many hundreds of turns
23:07 <Imanity> It was completely enclosed
23:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 289 points, T:1615, killed by a gnome lord
23:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3103 (0:46:39)
23:13 <Umbire> Do magical eye active gazes work if their target can't see them?
23:14 <terrapin> no (which is why blindfolds work)
23:19 <tinklebear> Imanity :(
23:19 <Imanity> What happened?
23:19 <tinklebear> oh. are you startscumming?
23:19 <Imanity> Yep
23:20 <tinklebear> nevermind then :P
23:20 <Imanity> Last serious try, a mimic killed my pet
23:20 <Imanity> Not playing early game without the pet
23:20 <Imanity> Losing around 24% sleep res
23:20 <tinklebear> okay, well then the  ":(" stands
23:20 <Imanity> Rip pseudodragon xD
23:20 <tinklebear> pfft
23:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4760 (0:59:00)
23:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a knife entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:2081 (0:10:30)
23:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8438 points, T:5740, killed by a warg
23:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a succubus, on T:22933 (19:52:14)
23:40 <hasselhoff> becoming a succubus
23:41 <hasselhoff> on purpose? @tinklebear
23:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:49287 (13:12:59)
23:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:90140 (1 day, 2:25:18)
23:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Mal Cha) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:49346 (13:16:03)
23:44 <tinklebear> hasselhoff: yes
23:45 <tinklebear> deathless, can fly, can ride. stealing attack
23:45 <hasselhoff> are you going to seduce some monsers?
23:45 <hasselhoff> ah
23:45 <tinklebear> many advantages :D
23:45 <hasselhoff> medium sized?
23:45 <tinklebear> yep. and very sexy besides
23:46 <hasselhoff> lol ofc
23:46 <hasselhoff> better than vampire mage as a form?
23:46 <tinklebear> vampire mages are slower than vampire kings, for one
23:46 <Umbire> @e?vampire mage
23:46 <Hecubus> vampire mage (V) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 14 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -4 | Atk: 2d8 claw level drain, 1d8 bite level drain, 2d6 cast spell | Align: -9 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis
23:46 <Umbire> @e?vampire royal
23:46 <Hecubus> vampire royal (V) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 18 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 2d6 claw physical, 1d10 bite level drain | Align: -9 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis
23:46 <hasselhoff> oh interesting
23:47 <tinklebear> and for another they are, the last time I checked, vulnerable to fire
23:47 <Umbire> All vampires are
23:47 <tinklebear> I am comparing V to & there, Umbire
23:47 <Umbire> Mage has better AC, more draining in melee, the spellcasting may or may not become annoying depending on your needs but it's typically useful
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23:48 <Umbire> Theft and resisting fire is a late-game edge for the form I'd guess
23:48 <Umbire> compared to V
23:48 <tinklebear> fine and dandy, Umbire. I am sharing my reasons for my preference. I bank on speed, hence my pref
23:49 <Umbire> I figured, I was just pointing out for hasselhoff 
23:49 <tinklebear> I'm early game right now. so the reason for succubus is mainly just "I like it"
23:49 <Umbire> I'd also prefer the royal myself unless I'm in a hurry to suck something dry
23:50 <terrapin> i'm a balrog fan myself. great HP and twoweaponing capability, even if they can't wear much
23:50 <terrapin> damn, i guess they can't wear any helms of speed now
23:52 <Imanity> Wow just found some stone plate mail
23:52 <hasselhoff> come to think of it. I do have a ring of poly control in the bag...
23:53 <Imanity> 8 more AC than my current setup, with +3 enchant xD
23:53 <tinklebear> \o/
23:53 <hasselhoff> what's a good poly form with stoning resistance to take on medusa with? (I'm outside her door poking at snakes with my lance)
23:53 <terrapin> prolly winged gargoyle? or yellow dragon if you're cool with no hands
23:54 <tinklebear> if you go no hands, maybe drop a food ration or two on the ground first
23:55 <tinklebear> I always forget if dragons can use wands in a given variant/version...
23:55 <hasselhoff> dragon might be good, for laying eggs too
23:56 <Umbire> standard gargoyle form is pretty underrated imo
23:56 <tinklebear> in which case leave out extra food
23:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of power entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:2043 (0:09:34)
23:56 <terrapin> no zapping for dragons in evil
23:56 <Umbire> As yellow dragon you should be able to just engulf Medusa I feel like
23:56 <tinklebear> also, I recently found that dragons can blow bugles, but (pretty sure) not use magic whistles
23:56 <terrapin> @e?medusa
23:56 <Hecubus> Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Align: -15 | omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravis
23:57 <hasselhoff> just burned a scroll of taming failing to tame either of 2 dragons (I needed a source of flight to get across to medusa), though instead I found an ancient psuedodragon. I didn't think of just poly self
23:57 <terrapin> yeah, she's only large
23:57 <tinklebear> if it wasn't whistles, it was something else kind of non-obvious. pretty sure it was whistles, though
23:57 <tinklebear> *some other tool
23:57 <Umbire> Monsters can't use whistles anyway
23:57 <tinklebear> "Monsters"
23:57 <Umbire> outside of specifically the Watch and vault guards
23:57 <tinklebear> dragon polyform
23:57 <hasselhoff> as a polyself dragon, is the engulf attack automatic? or #monster?
23:57 <terrapin> automatic
23:58 <hasselhoff> cool
23:58 <Umbire> Monsters i.e. not the player
23:58 <terrapin> can be a bit dangerous with big meals
23:58 <hasselhoff> ha
23:58 <Umbire> Yeah the engulf is an attack type
23:58 <Umbire> #monster as a dragon is for breath attacks
23:58 <hasselhoff> I like dragon steeds for how they clean up so many enemies (like vamps) with a brrrp
23:58 <terrapin> the "Burrrp" is the single greatest evilhack change
23:59 <hasselhoff> lol yes
23:59 <Umbire> That's always been there hasn't it
23:59 <terrapin> oh wow it has
23:59 <Umbire> iirc it's the satisfied belch when you die to digestion that's new 
23:59 <terrapin> oh
23:59 <hasselhoff> at the funniest, most anticlamatic vlad encounter last time, when my dragon just brrrped him before he took his first turn