00:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:701 (0:07:28)
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00:03 <eggandhull> is oracle hard to defeat?
00:03 <terrapin> not from range
00:03 <terrapin> don't waltz up and hit her, though
00:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 226 points, T:1002, killed by a goblin
00:05 <eggandhull> terrapin: 
00:05 <eggandhull> terrapin: so i should boulder fort myself first?
00:06 <terrapin> !whereis eggandhull
00:06 <Hecubus> terrapin: [hdf-us] eggandhull [evil]: (Sam Gia Mal Law) T:150759 The Dungeons of Doom level: 8
00:06 <eggandhull> i can boulder fort oracle
00:06 <dingotron> oooh an ornate key
00:06 <terrapin> she usually has ~60HP, which is like 6 boulders
00:06 <terrapin> there's not really a need for a boulder fort
00:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:150828 (1 day, 12:38:08)
00:07 <eggandhull> 3 boulders does it
00:07 <terrapin> also, she breaks boulders, so it wouldn't work
00:07 <terrapin> \o/
00:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1179 (0:12:58)
00:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 10460 points, T:6774, killed by a xan
00:15 <dingotron> You see here 11 copper darts (for sale, 2497 zorkmids) lol that sounds a bit steep of a price from the goblin town store?
00:16 <dingotron> does that mean they are magical or something?
00:16 <dingotron> next to 10 arrows that are 40 zorkmids
00:16 <terrapin> yes
00:17 <terrapin> a magic property is +100 zorkmids per item
00:17 <terrapin> probably +1 and magical
00:17 <dingotron> I mean those darts better come with a lot of cupholders and make me breakfast in the morning
00:18 <terrapin> haha!
00:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2519 (0:16:51)
00:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:2914 (0:28:45)
00:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una), 4504 points, T:2942, killed by a giant watchman
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00:39 <dingotron> as a convict, if I am invisible, will the minetown watch not be able to recognize me from the posters, and then not be hostile?
00:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3581 points, T:5180, killed by a goblin-captain called Ogunathos of Ogrukuul
00:46 <dingotron> ok so far so good, invisible convict is safe convict sneaking in to the minetown altar
00:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una), 2800 points, T:2271, killed by a warg
00:49 <Umbire> Yes, but elves can see invisible.
00:50 <Umbire> Covering your face is sufficient also (towel/blindfold)
00:50 <dingotron> mummy wrapping?
00:51 <dingotron> didn't think of elven ones seeing invisble. fortunately none of those
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01:07 <eggandhull> hmm, i picked up Angelslayer on the floor which means my samurai still has trident restricted. bad idea to keep it that way and wield it for half spell damager?
01:07 <eggandhull> damage*
01:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una), 470 points, T:759, zombified by an orc zombie, while praying
01:15 <hackemslashem> Umbire: I think the convict disguising is only in hackem right now
01:15 <Umbire> Hmm.
01:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:581 (0:09:09)
01:27 <eggandhull> second time walking into lava forgetting the levi ring
01:27 <eggandhull> sad
01:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a copper tsurugi bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:152120 (1 day, 13:14:29)
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01:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) destroyed the invisible Grouchy's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:3449 (0:34:54)
01:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:3459 (0:35:17)
01:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:3555 (0:37:10)
01:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4530 (0:44:31)
02:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una), 13697 points, T:5358, quit
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02:12 <botifico> [EvilHack] elunna opened pull request #148: Convicts can wear blindfolds or towels to disguise themselves - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/148
02:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 23 points, T:148, killed by a goblin
02:27 <bugsniper> does !tell work here?
02:27 <bugsniper> !help
02:27 <Hecubus> bugsniper: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack
02:28 <bugsniper> !tell mobileuser I found a use for my second bag of holding I got from sokoban. My pet plains centaur has become my mule and can use it to help himself carry more things
02:28 <Hecubus> No worries, bugsniper, I've got this!
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02:31 <mobileuser> congrats terrapin!
02:31 <Hecubus> mobileuser: Message from bugsniper at 2023-09-21 02:28 EDT: I found a use for my second bag of holding I got from sokoban. My pet plains centaur has become my mule and can use it to help himself carry more things
02:32 <bugsniper> sorry mobile, didn't know you were here as tab complete didn't find oyu
02:32 <mobileuser> oh I only just joined!
02:33 <mobileuser> yeah intelligent pets love to put stuff in bags :-)
02:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 87 points, T:231, killed by a newt
02:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 57 points, T:317, killed by a goblin
02:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 27 points, T:237, killed by a jackal
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02:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 430 points, T:782, killed by a dart
02:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 164 points, T:579, killed by a glass dart
02:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 54 points, T:163, killed by a scroll of earth
02:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 39 points, T:306, killed by a jackal
03:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 828 points, T:1999, killed by a rothe
03:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1024 (0:10:12)
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03:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Dro Fem Cha) had 17 wooden shuriken entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:2295 (0:21:34)
03:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Dro Fem Cha) had 17 wooden shuriken entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:2569 (0:22:55)
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03:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed pegasus eggs", on T:93578 (2 days, 5:07:58)
04:27 <botifico> [EvilHack] elunna opened pull request #149: Fix: stun resistance from source in ctrl-x info. - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/149
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05:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:94828 (2 days, 6:38:13)
05:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided beholders, on T:54536 (1 day, 11:13:02)
05:23 <mobileuser> uhm...
05:23 <mobileuser> why does a torrent of acid cause a poison cloud? is that new?
05:24 <k3ut0i> it does? I haven't noticed it
05:24 <k3ut0i> !whereis mobileuser
05:24 <Hecubus> k3ut0i: mobileuser is not playing.
05:24 <mobileuser> twice now
05:24 <mobileuser> I paused to search the repo
05:24 <mobileuser> when I cast the advanced spell
05:24 <k3ut0i> Monster spell acid blast?
05:24 <k3ut0i> Oh, when you cast it....
05:25 <mobileuser> yeah...
05:25 <k3ut0i> I'm not sure haven't cast acid blast in a while
05:25 <hackemslashem> Might be a bug from the new zap type
05:25 <hackemslashem> Check other zaps and spells to make sure
05:26 <hackemslashem> (cringes from remembering the pain of adding sonic rays...)
05:26 <mobileuser> heh
05:27 <mobileuser> !tell K2 it looks like casting (advanced) Acid Blast causes a poison cloud
05:27 <Hecubus> K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, mobileuser.
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05:31 <mobileuser> hmmm maybe I should my ttyrec in case it was PEBCAK
05:31 <mobileuser> * should check
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05:35 <mobileuser> no it was definitely an acid blast
05:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed Vecna, on T:54780 (1 day, 11:30:00)
05:43 <mobileuser> \o/
05:44 <cbus> genocide time?
05:44 <cbus> mobileuser, you got the rona "You cough!  You cough!  You cough!  You cough!  You cough!"
05:44 <mobileuser> when I'm out of the poison cloud :-P
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05:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:54786 (1 day, 11:33:37)
06:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) refused to give up The Magic Mirror of Merlin to King Arthur, on T:95818 (2 days, 7:34:16)
06:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed King Arthur, on T:95820 (2 days, 7:34:37)
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06:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:96435 (2 days, 7:55:52)
06:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:96437 (2 days, 7:55:56)
06:30 <mobileuser> lol antimatter vortex resists death magic
06:31 <mobileuser> K2 really likes them
06:32 <Noisytoot> they're unliving
06:33 <mobileuser> @e?energy vortex
06:33 <Hecubus> energy vortex (v) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 20 | Res: sleep disintegrate shock poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 1d6 engulf shock, 2d6 engulf magic drain, 0d4 passive shock | Align: 0 | genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, unsolid, passes-bars, vegan
06:33 <mobileuser> and energy vortex isn't?
06:34 <Noisytoot> @e?antimatter vortex
06:34 <Hecubus> antimatter vortex (v) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d10 engulf disintegrate, 0d0 passive disintegrate | Align: 0 | genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, unsolid, infravis, passes-bars, vegan
06:34 <mobileuser> weird
06:34 <k3ut0i> It might be a recent change, game says nonliving
06:35 <mobileuser> must be very recent then, the lookup here was recently upgraded
06:35 <Noisytoot> #define weirdnonliving(ptr) (is_golem(ptr) || (ptr)->mlet == S_VORTEX)
06:35 <Noisytoot> all v are nonliving, it's not in the monster definition
06:37 <Noisytoot> that's from vanilla
06:37 <mobileuser> ah, TIL
06:40 <mobileuser> sorry K2 :-P
06:45 <mobileuser> woohoo Vecna marker, first time in quite a while
06:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:55319 (1 day, 12:05:07)
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07:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:36383 (13:56:34)
07:53 <mobileuser> K2 I'm a bit surprised that the ball of cold from Dichotomy doesn't freeze lava?
07:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided alhoons, on T:55948 (1 day, 12:57:41)
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08:18 <mobileuser> ooh I spot a tinning kit in the distance
08:18 <mobileuser> have been trying to polypile one forever
08:21 <K2> hi
08:21 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
08:21 <Hecubus> K2: Message from mobileuser at 2023-09-21 05:27 EDT: it looks like casting (advanced) Acid Blast causes a poison cloud
08:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:38043 (14:28:19)
08:21 <mobileuser> hi K2!
08:22 <K2> didnt i make thursday's 'no bugs' day?
08:22 <K2> pretty sure I put that out
08:22 <mobileuser> no that was friday's
08:22 <K2> smh
08:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:97150 (2 days, 9:43:46)
08:26 <K2> yup. bug
08:26 <K2> all of the advanced attack spells that do AoE
08:26 <K2> off by one
08:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38233 (14:33:28)
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08:37 <K2> there's more wrong here than just acid blast adv spell explosion
08:37 <K2> uugh
08:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:38558 (14:46:04)
08:50 <K2> think i have it fixed
08:50 <K2> but i gotta check a few things
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09:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:98269 (2 days, 10:36:15)
09:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:98270 (2 days, 10:36:22)
09:20 <mobileuser9> good luck k3ut0i!
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09:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:98453 (2 days, 10:41:39)
09:27 <k3ut0i> Man, my shamblers seem to be designed to be a perfect enemy for me :/ I hate them.
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09:37 <K2> uuugh]
09:37 <K2> i may need some help on this one
09:37 <K2> fix one thing but another breaks or is still broken
09:39 <K2> yeah still broken
09:41 <K2> https://termbin.com/cuba <--- this fixes the adv spell explosion bits (also a fix in there for wizmode command #wizspell)
09:41 <K2> but casting non adv spell types is still off by one
09:41 <K2> so say you cast fireball at a monster, or a closed door. the glyph looks right, but the effect is like that if casting cone of cold
09:42 <K2> ^ non adv
09:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Tiamat, on T:98764 (2 days, 11:01:34)
09:44 <K2> nice k3ut0i
09:44 <K2> you get the scales?
09:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the human high priest of Moloch, on T:98805 (2 days, 11:04:08)
09:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:98809 (2 days, 11:04:25)
09:46 <k3ut0i> no scales :(
09:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Lucifer, on T:98851 (2 days, 11:07:23)
09:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Purgatory, on T:98864 (2 days, 11:08:02)
09:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Saint Michael, on T:98945 (2 days, 11:13:31)
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09:57 <qt> K2 what are you trying to fix?
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09:57 <qt> lol is it that wizspell causes an asan crash or is that just a secondary issue?
10:02 <K2> one sec on phone :(
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10:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:99729 (2 days, 11:27:44)
10:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:99759 (2 days, 11:30:43)
10:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:99760 (2 days, 11:30:53)
10:16 <K2> qt its not the wizspell cmd that is the issue
10:16 <K2> i just happened to make a small fix for it while in there because I was using it to test things
10:17 <qt> what is/was broken then?
10:17 <qt> did you see the asan crash with wizspell?
10:17 <K2> i did earlier
10:17 <qt> oh is that fixed already?
10:17 <K2> no
10:18 <K2> not worried about that at the moment
10:18 <K2> the pressing issue is this - casting an attack spell that causes explosions
10:18 <qt> ok well tell me what you are worried about. this is the fix for the wizspell crash though: https://termbin.com/2q7e
10:19 <K2> thanks!
10:19 <K2> ok typing...
10:19 <K2> current issue - cast an attack spell, the explosion caused is wrong. the glyph looks ok but the effect is not correct
10:20 <K2> mobileuser noticed this wh casting the advanced version of acid blast
10:20 <K2> the eplosion caused a poison gas cloud to form instead of acid
10:20 <qt> interesting
10:20 <K2> my termbin fixes that (adv spells)
10:20 <K2> but there's still an issue with casting same spell non advanced
10:20 <K2> the explosion type is off by one
10:21 <K2> example: cast fireball spell (non advanced) glyph looks fine, effect is like cone of cold
10:22 <K2> just added your asan fix
10:24 <qt> well... if changing type % 11 to type % 10 fixes it you should probably apply the same fix to explode.c:146 (the switch/case in explode) -- but I would hold off on that until we can diagnose what changed/why exactly it's happening and why that change fixes it (unless you understand that already?)
10:26 <K2> right before release I added another breath type
10:26 <qt> for example, do you have the same problem when you break a wand? or is it only spells explosion?
10:26 <qt> explosion spells I mean
10:26 <terrapin> explode() and dobuzz() have different numbers of attack types
10:26 <K2> only explosions
10:26 <terrapin> % 10 works for explosions but there are 11 breaths
10:26 <bouquet> ha! goblin king has a wand of polymorph. This isn't going to work in my favor
10:26 <K2> i've tested wands and other bits
10:27 <qt> oh
10:27 <qt> you just changed it from 10 to 11
10:27 <K2> yeah
10:27 <K2> and shouldnt have
10:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 983 points, T:1585, killed by the Goblin King
10:27 <qt> so it's not like some weird thing meant the previous value is no longer working, you're just reverting an erroneous change
10:27 <K2> i thought it changed everything across the board
10:27 <K2> yup
10:28 <terrapin> but zap_over_floor is used by dobuzz
10:28 <terrapin> it'll pass 11 + attack type
10:28 <terrapin> oh never mind, it's modded before that
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10:29 <K2> abs(type) % 10 <--- explode.c 146
10:29 <terrapin> no wait, it uses type and not abstype
10:29 <terrapin> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/244ea2b33d124f9cd87cf27c61870b88222f4ca6/src/zap.c#L5046C22-L5046C36
10:29 <hackemslashem> Funny, you pushed the AD_SPC1 values forward, but I used them for new ray types
10:30 <terrapin> type ==  11 to  21 : you casting a spell in dobuzz
10:31 <terrapin> probably the best fix is adding stun explosions to keep parity with dobuzz even if they won't be realized in the game
10:31 <qt> yeah if the two things are designed to be tethered so closely together it's going to be a pain in the ass to unpin them
10:31 <qt> and plus it means hackemslashem can add stun grenades
10:32 <hackemslashem> woo
10:32 <qt> I'm going to take off for a while now, ttyl
10:32 <hackemslashem> Although... I think I have enough ray types, I added sonic, and this sounds like a headache :D
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10:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Black Horse, on T:100054 (2 days, 11:52:33)
10:34 <K2> cya qt thanks
10:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:100056 (2 days, 11:52:39)
10:34 <K2> and yeah terrapin i think you're right
10:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law), 8264684 points, T:100092, ascended
10:38 <Hecubus> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1694757263.evil.html
10:39 <cbus> k2, that player is better than you
10:39 <cbus> k3 > k2
10:40 <cbus> grats k3ut0i 
10:40 <Umbire> gg
10:40 <K2> congrats k3ut0i
10:40 <K2> \o/
10:41 <qt> good job k3ut0i 
10:42 <qt> ok I'm really going now. going to pick up and then send off a sympathy card for the family of the guy I was telling you about, K2
10:42 <qt> be back later
10:42 <K2> cya
10:42 <k3ut0i> :) thanks.
10:43 <k3ut0i> Will Ithilmar be counted in the final score?
10:43 <K2> oh, not if your steed was wearing it
10:43 <K2> final score is meaningless anyways
10:44 <mobileuser> woohoo congrats k3ut0i!
10:45 <mobileuser> 2-streak even!
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10:48 <k3ut0i> Ithilmar is pretty good, kept my pegasus alive. It only came close to dying in plane of fire without fire resist. I had to use undead turning to keep it alive.
10:48 <cbus> oh wow streak as well, even bigger grats deserved then :)
10:48 <Umbire> Red molds are yer friend
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10:49 <k3ut0i> Thanks. Centaur knights are much easier, I had to use 3 wishes on steeds. 2 ki-rins did not survive.
10:50 <k3ut0i> With ithilmar + undead turning pegasus is much better stead
10:50 <k3ut0i> steed*
10:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 69984 points, T:24869, quit
10:58 <mobileuser> like Umbire said, throw it a red mold corpse next time :-)
11:01 <k3ut0i> I will.
11:02 <k3ut0i> Poor tinklebear, rage quit :|
11:02 <Umbire> D:?
11:03 <k3ut0i> mount turned into saddled barded cobra after eating a chameleon
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11:05 <eggandhull> Got Tiamat! 
11:05 <eggandhull> Looks like it's not hard to defeat?
11:05 <Umbire> F
11:07 <eggandhull> ..
11:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:65598 (1 day, 2:15:10)
11:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Nightsorrow's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:17979 (4:21:04)
11:07 <eggandhull> 6d6 breath random breath, 2d4 spellcast arcane, 4d6 claw steal Amulet, 6d6 bite physical, 6d6 bite physical, 2d4 sting strength
11:07 <eggandhull> what to look out for?
11:08 <Umbire> Everything? lmao
11:08 <Umbire> She's buffed from her original role as Caveman quest nemesis, so
11:10 <eggandhull> should i wield angelslayer to reduce spell damager (looks like 1 spellcast attack tho)
11:10 <eggandhull> so i'm assuming the usual paralysis + hack at it would work
11:14 <k3ut0i> Last time I fought Tiamat, she gated in Graz'zt, Yeengohu, Jubliex, Baphomet
11:16 <eggandhull> .......
11:16 <eggandhull> alright experienced evilhack players, need your advice on how not to die
11:17 <k3ut0i> Make it fast, she has lot of HP, wield demonbane if you can. Keep her paralyzed as long as possible, or fight ranged.
11:17 <Umbire> Did you zoom right in before anyone could actually give you advice again?
11:17 <eggandhull> shit she's awoken
11:17 <Umbire> :v
11:18 <eggandhull> scare monster = no use?
11:18 <k3ut0i> no for any unique monster
11:19 <eggandhull> Graz'zt is in...
11:19 <k3ut0i> shit graz'zt
11:19 <eggandhull> i feel like imma die
11:19 <k3ut0i> boulder fort
11:19 <eggandhull> tele graz'zt away first?
11:19 <k3ut0i> he will not hit too much
11:19 <k3ut0i> he will steal all your things
11:20 <eggandhull> scroll of earth in bag, so 2 actions to take out + read...maybe i should zap tele at it first?
11:21 <k3ut0i> I'm not sure... he might come back next turn anyway... 
11:22 <eggandhull> │Graz'zt stole the blessed +7 Tsurugi of Muramasa.
11:22 <k3ut0i> atleast he will not wield it with dirge stuck to his hand
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11:23 <eggandhull> ok i boulder forted myself
11:23 <k3ut0i> You have cancellation wands?
11:24 <eggandhull> yes
11:24 <eggandhull> zap how many times?
11:24 <k3ut0i> Might take a few zaps no idea how many, but they will make his stealing ineffictive
11:24 <k3ut0i> if you have wand of probing, you can check if he is cancelled.
11:26 <eggandhull> didn't bring one unfortunately
11:26 <eggandhull> guy's hanging around upstairs to heal, sigh
11:29 <terrapin> congrats on the asc & streak, k3ut0i!
11:29 <eggandhull> Graz'zt stole an uncursed wand of cancellation (0:4).
11:29 <eggandhull> zapped 4 times is not enough note to self
11:29 <Umbire> There's no "set amount" of times, it's a roll versus monster MR.
11:30 <Umbire> So it's luck-based to a degree, you got unlucky in this case.
11:31 <terrapin> if you don't have probing, you wanna just empty the wand. there's few other good uses for it (that merit risking you BoH, anyway)
11:31 <Umbire> I feel like there's more than a "few"
11:32 <terrapin> you may want to flee and forge up some shuriken and then come back or something
11:32 <eggandhull> i think imma die
11:32 <eggandhull> how do i flee
11:33 <terrapin> are you not on the upstairs?
11:33 <eggandhull> no..
11:33 <terrapin> if not...you can try burning through cursed teleport scrolls and cursed gain level
11:33 <eggandhull> nonw
11:33 <eggandhull> none...
11:34 <eggandhull> i mean i have WoW
11:34 <eggandhull> wish up an escape item?
11:35 <terrapin> probably a cancellation wand is better
11:35 <terrapin> escape items are very unreliable when demon lords are on the level
11:35 <terrapin> @e?graz'zt
11:35 <Hecubus> Graz'zt (&) | Lvl: 105 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 35 | Gen: unique | AC: -9 | Atk: 4d8 weapon physical, 6d6 claw stun, 4d6 cast clerical, 3d6 claw item steal | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis
11:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:18552 (4:50:36)
11:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased wand of cancellation", on T:153514 (1 day, 13:59:49)
11:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 236 points, T:811, killed by an acidic corpse
11:40 <eggandhull> ok zapped 4 times at grat and wand turned to dust
11:40 <eggandhull> try kill it now or get killed?
11:40 <k3ut0i> grease your bag first
11:40 <eggandhull> have a c corpse but now i think about it, if it steals my gloves i'm done
11:41 <terrapin> i'd say toss the paralysis potion at him, move diagonally onto the boulder next to him, and stethoscope to see if he's cancelled
11:41 <terrapin> if not, retreat and wish for another wand
11:41 <eggandhull> tiamat is next to boulder fort too
11:41 <terrapin> (Hesperides is oilskin so no need to grease)
11:41 <k3ut0i> So, he can't steal hesperides? TIL
11:41 <terrapin> tiamat is comparatively harmless
11:42 <eggandhull> 2 tosses missed, i have 2 paralysis left
11:42 <k3ut0i> keep going not much use for them, if you are dead
11:43 <eggandhull> yes cancelled
11:43 <terrapin> \o/
11:43 <eggandhull> stone it and retreive items?
11:43 <terrapin> sounds good to me
11:43 <eggandhull> my angelslayer is restricted skill so can't kill it fast
11:44 <terrapin> gotta go. good luck!
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11:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Graz'zt, on T:153610 (1 day, 14:07:07)
11:44 <eggandhull> it ran away
11:44 <eggandhull> ok wait it dead
11:44 <eggandhull> Geryon in the middle of my boulder fort wat
11:45 <k3ut0i> Well, he is not too bad. But make Tiamat quick, you do not want any one else.
11:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 183 points, T:495, killed by a crossbow bolt, while jumping around
11:47 <eggandhull> i don't have paralysis anymore, how do i make tiamat quick
11:47 <k3ut0i> Run away if you can and come back with ranged weapons
11:48 <k3ut0i> You can still kill he, but still a chance she can gate in other bosses.
11:49 <eggandhull> Baphomet
11:52 <eggandhull> retrieved my armor and weapons
11:53 <eggandhull> does expensive camera work on these bosses?
11:55 <k3ut0i> I'm not sure, I think so. They used to work on riders too.
11:55 <eggandhull> applied twice at it, no use
11:57 <eggandhull> guys i think i need to run
11:58 <eggandhull> wish up cursed potions of gain level?
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12:00 <k3ut0i> levelport is suppressed, but I'm not sure of cursed gain level
12:01 <eggandhull> yeah just tried to levelport and failed
12:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 418 points, T:867, killed by a large spider, while jumping around
12:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 289 points, T:504, killed by a rothe
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12:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:56474 (1 day, 13:46:16)
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12:51 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/244ea2b33d12...68be09ac3266
12:51 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 68be09a - Fix: a couple bugs with wizmode command #wizspell.
12:51 <K2> needed to get that out of the way so its not mixed in with explosion type issues
12:52 <Noisytoot> where is the goblin town portal?
12:52 <Umbire> DL 2/3
12:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/68be09ac3266...c86cbba78fcc
12:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] elunna 9efc189 - Fix: stun resistance from source in ctrl-x info.
12:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 0409f11 - Merge branch 'master' into stun
12:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 c86cbba - Merge pull request #149 from elunna/stun
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13:01 <hackemslashem> :thumbsup:
13:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3438 (0:51:43)
13:11 <K2> i hope you enjoy the game Noisytoot
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13:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19625 (5:12:09)
13:15 <krm26> oooo dirge bones
13:17 <krm26> aww man what a sad death Splunge had with this run, totally ascendable, i guess missed illness
13:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Splunge's ghost, the former Sergeant, on T:67536 (1 day, 3:01:19)
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13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2645 points, T:2313, killed by an Uruk-hai
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Val Cen Fem Neu) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:3634 (0:56:01)
13:21 <Noisytoot> It says that drowcraft can only be forged in darkness, but forges are always lit
13:22 <Umbire> They use a bright glyph, literally just use #monster as drow or cursed wand/scroll of light
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13:26 <k3ut0i> 'The rock gnome zaps a wand of striking, which suddenly explodes!  The rock gnome is killed!' Lol
13:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2384 points, T:3267, killed by a centaurian bachelorette called Mellaste the Bachelorette
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13:33 <K2> Umbire no, Noisytoot actually found a self-induced (from dev) bug
13:33 <K2> when we made forges actually lit, even if you're in a dark room, it wont work
13:33 <Umbire> Oh, neat
13:34 <K2> Noisytoot until its fixed, if you can find an external source of darkness (cursed magic lamp, shadow dragon scales, read cursed scroll of light on forge position) that will work
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13:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3400 (0:50:42)
13:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Val Cen Fem Neu), 7973 points, T:4058, killed by a mumak
13:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a small shield entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:20880 (5:39:51)
13:48 <K2> alrigght fixed that
13:51 <K2> well hmm
13:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1619 (0:26:46)
13:57 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/c86cbba78fcc...d0802c1ad1af
13:57 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 d0802c1 - Fix: forging Drow objects.
13:58 <eggandhull> K2: i'm stuck on Tiamat level with 2 other demons gated in. Does cursed potion of gain level work on that level to help escape?
13:59 <krm26> probably not
13:59 <K2> being in the presence of demon bosses suppresses levelporting and using cursed potion of gain level. its possible, but the odds are very low (5%)
13:59 <K2> if you get rid of the demon prince (tiamat) and there's only demon lords left, the odds increase to 20%
13:59 <krm26> you on eu server?
14:00 <eggandhull> i just do ssh nethack@hardfought.org
14:00 <K2> so us server
14:00 <eggandhull> oh man
14:00 <krm26> huh don't see you
14:00 <eggandhull> i'm out of paralysis and means to deal with them i think
14:00 <eggandhull> haven't logged in, let me do now
14:01 <eggandhull> logged in
14:01 <krm26> 142x56!
14:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Val Cen Fem Neu), 955 points, T:861, diseased by a kobold zombie
14:02 <krm26> weird must be encoding incompatibility, your walls whow up as q and x for me
14:02 <K2> same
14:03 <krm26> so you are in a boulder fort away from the stairs up? must be a story there
14:03 <krm26> what are the lords?
14:03 <K2> demogorgon, asmo, tiamat, grazzt, orcus are princes, rest are lords
14:03 <eggandhull> krm26: yes, quite a story this morning....
14:03 <krm26> no i mean eggandhull, who is accompanying tiamat?
14:04 <eggandhull> krm26: Tiamat,geryon,Baphomet.  killed gratz with help of terrapin and others
14:04 <krm26> you're a giant so baphomet won't knock you into lava, right?
14:04 <eggandhull> krm26: i sure hope so.....
14:05 <Noisytoot> Why were Geryon, Dispater, and Baalzebub downgraded from princes to lords?
14:05 <mobileuser> giants are stable
14:05 <K2> Noisytoot because their vanila designation was incorrect
14:05 <eggandhull> so basically i got WoW 0:1. no paralysis. hp drained from ~240 to ~150 now by a shadow dragon (which still exists i think)
14:06 <krm26> ok, so no drain resistance, no half physical or spell damage, low up...
14:07 <krm26> you might be able to cancel baphomet and geryon to mitigate their behavior a little
14:07 <eggandhull> i do have half physical (muramasa)
14:08 <krm26> oh cool
14:08 <K2> that'll help
14:08 <krm26> isn't cornuthaum purely bad for non-wizards?
14:08 <K2> samurai so no spells...
14:08 <eggandhull> i do not have a better dragonhide helmet...
14:08 <K2> tiamat is immune to pretty much all of it so you'd have to melee her anyways
14:08 <K2> baphomet hits hard. really hard
14:09 <eggandhull> that cancel wand i don't know how many charges left. it got stolen by gratz and i zapped cancelled at it many times
14:09 <K2> are you dual wielding eggandhull?
14:09 <krm26> you have additional scrolls of earth? potions of full healing? you might try striking on of your boulders and try fighting one at a time to reduce their health a bit or even kill them before running for the stairs
14:09 <eggandhull> yes, muramasa + a gifted tsurugi. have SoA and Angelslayer too. Don't want to put on SoA (is this stupid?) since I want the scales to drop
14:09 <K2> ah yeah
14:10 <krm26> dual tsurugi/soa for everything but tiamat
14:10 <eggandhull> no earth scroll now; 1 blessed full and extra healing left
14:11 <K2> what krm26 said
14:11 <krm26> confused taming could solve your shadow dragon problem from within the boulder fort
14:11 <eggandhull> i have a marker to write. but low on scrolls too
14:11 <K2> but if it comes down to dying or maybe getting scales, use that combo on tiamat too
14:11 <krm26> and you have two taming
14:11 <krm26> lemme look at the map one more time
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14:11 <eggandhull> k, the two lords and tiamat are around the upstairs area
14:12 <eggandhull> i'm very far away from them
14:12 <krm26> i would dig down
14:12 <krm26> if you don't think you can hack it
14:12 <Loggers_VIII> an orc in orctown was somehow able to yoink all the stuff out of the magic chest before I got to it
14:12 <krm26> then you can teleport up, and then descend to fight from upstairs
14:12 <K2> Loggers_VIII you prob left the chest unlocked in goblintown
14:13 <eggandhull> krm26: yeah that could work...you think i shouldn't chance it by fighting?
14:13 <krm26> so dig, teleport to 41 (after repairing anything you need to), then descend
14:13 <Loggers_VIII> ahhh right it's the same obj
14:13 <krm26> i wouldn't risk it eggandhull, not without backup earth in case things go south
14:13 <Loggers_VIII> feature, whatever
14:13 <eggandhull> yea
14:13 <Loggers_VIII> what two lord is it?
14:13 <Loggers_VIII> *lords
14:13 <krm26> so my final answer is definite best plan: dig down, teleport to stash, recover, regroup, descend from 41
14:13 <K2> baph and geryon
14:14 <krm26> then dual using soa on everyone but tiamat
14:14 <Loggers_VIII> baph is scary geryon whatever
14:14 <eggandhull> so what should i prepare better next time? tons of shurikens? should i spend WoW on some wishes? maybe some better armor with drain resistance?
14:14 <krm26> 20 +7 silver shuriken will kill any one of those demon lords
14:14 <Loggers_VIII> silver aklys or hotg also works
14:14 <krm26> so to cheese it you could descend from above, boulder fort, and use silver missiles 
14:15 <eggandhull> what if i descend and they are next to me? then boulder fort doesn't work?
14:15 <Noisytoot> spiders shouldn't resist being displaced into webs
14:15 <Loggers_VIII> that'd be a vanilla bug
14:15 <krm26> they are not adjacent, they won't follow you down
14:16 <krm26> good luck! you can pull this out of the fire eggandhull
14:16 <eggandhull> no i mean if after regroup and descend from 41, arrived at 42 and they are next to me?
14:16 <krm26> they will definitely be next to you
14:16 <krm26> read a scroll of earth if you don't want to tough it out
14:16 <eggandhull> but then boulders would drop on their heads right, which means they are still next to me
14:16 <krm26> OR, if only one is adjacent, you could reascend and take them with you depending on the level above
14:17 <krm26> the next time they move they will leave the boulder and not return
14:17 <eggandhull> ic
14:17 <krm26> (striking can always put a wrench into that plan tho)
14:17 <Loggers_VIII> YANI: baph can move onto/throw boulders
14:17 <eggandhull> K, no WoW advice?
14:17 <krm26> so always have additional plans :-)
14:17 <krm26> you have no needs for a wand of wishing
14:18 <Loggers_VIII> what's ur hp/ac
14:18 <k3ut0i> you can get mithril large splint mail of decay
14:18 <eggandhull> hp 152...ac -26..
14:18 <Loggers_VIII> 152??? why are you even considering going back down
14:18 <krm26> 152 IS low
14:18 <eggandhull> Loggers_VIII: was 240, got drained
14:19 <Loggers_VIII> with baph, geryon and tiamat you'll be lucky not to be killed in one turn
14:19 <eggandhull> it's a miracle i'm alive. thx terrapin and folks. 
14:19 <Loggers_VIII> go nurse dance
14:19 <Loggers_VIII> or drain and regain
14:19 <krm26> anyway, to reiterate, dig, bounce to stash, regroup and recover
14:19 <eggandhull> i thought drain resistance is for level draining. i guess i should wish it up to prevent future hp drain
14:20 <Loggers_VIII> it's not that important if you have high MC just don't let shadow dragons breathe on you all that much
14:20 <eggandhull> succubus, riding a shadow dragon
14:20 <krm26> shadow dragons will never breathe if adjacent
14:20 <eggandhull> ^ that's why i couldn't death wand kill it
14:21 <Loggers_VIII> you could just zap teleport at it or something
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14:21 <eggandhull> from within boulder fort, couldn't chance boulder gone
14:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:5297 (0:49:19)
14:22 <eggandhull> Anyway thanks for the plan guys!!! It's a miracle still alive. Finally gets the "evil" in evilhack
14:23 <K2> :)
14:25 <krm26> hmm
14:25 <krm26> so now that i have dirge thanks to Splunge i guess i can forge fire/frost and blessed amnesia away my short sword skill to learn broadsword/longsword
14:26 <krm26> i REALLY hate basic skill dual wielding tho, miss everything important
14:27 <Loggers_VIII> I mean, stopping dual wielding doesn't take a turn so you can always switch back to primary when there's something important
14:27 <krm26> which will still be just basic
14:28 <Loggers_VIII> then what're you complaining about
14:28 <krm26> basic!
14:28 <krm26> with the short swords i can be skilled
14:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Mon Dro Fem Cha) had 18 copper shuriken entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:1582 (0:17:11)
14:28 <Loggers_VIII> then use them
14:28 <krm26> ...
14:28 <krm26> that is the conflict
14:28 <Loggers_VIII> ah
14:30 <krm26> skilled 2h frost/fire vs basic frostfire/dirge
14:30 <krm26> it is a one way trip if i push the button
14:30 <krm26> and i fear doing it is wrong despite my urge to forge what can be forged
14:31 <krm26> i guess though the second thing does give me drain resistance...
14:31 <Loggers_VIII> should stick with 2h fire/frost until you can get your th higher
14:31 <krm26> it can't be higher
14:31 <krm26> tourist
14:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:6296 (0:59:01)
14:31 <krm26> basic longsword, basic broadsword
14:32 <krm26> so the brands may be my perfect weapons
14:32 <Loggers_VIII> basic is fine but skilled is just better
14:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:833 (0:02:58)
14:33 <krm26> in my experience using a basic weapon (with any 2h skill) is insufficient where it counts -- always hitting rodney, usually hitting a clutch @player, etc
14:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a helm of telepathy entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:6434 (1:00:31)
14:33 <botifico> [EvilHack] entrez opened pull request #150: Improve #wizgenesis monster race parsing - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/150
14:33 <Loggers_VIII> I've gotten away with basic longsword and SoA as tourist against rodney, but I was using ashmar
14:33 <Loggers_VIII> so wasn't twoweaponing
14:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1093 (0:05:28)
14:37 <K2> nice qt
14:37 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±22] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/d0802c1ad1af...227736277226
14:37 <botifico> [EvilHack] entrez 278d808 - Improve #wizgenesis monster race parsing
14:37 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 2277362 - Merge pull request #150 from entrez/wizgenesis_racial_matching
14:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of a gray dragon named Wiinaange", on T:7018 (1:05:16)
14:38 <qt> thanks K2 -- i showed you that patch a while ago and just saw I still had all the code open (and not committed or anything) in my local copy so figured I'd just PR it
14:38 <K2> i vaguely remember this heh
14:39 <qt> remember it's the one that lets you wizgenesis a "racial lich lichen" etc into being
14:39 <K2> YES
14:39 <K2> this odd explosion bit is kicking my butt a lil bit, but i've been recording results as i test
14:39 <K2> https://termbin.com/tqp4
14:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon named Guy Montag", on T:7023 (1:07:24)
14:40 <Loggers_VIII> extra healing was smoky in this game :)
14:40 <qt> K2: like terrapin said I think it's going to be a lot easier to make a dummy explosion version of your new breath type
14:40 <K2> i'm not sure how you would add the extra type to explosions since it pulls from the same array i thought
14:40 <qt> instead of trying to desync explosions and breath types when the code is all designed around the assumption they basically match
14:40 <K2> yeah
14:40 <qt> ok well I'll look at it when I have a chance
14:40 <K2> i think i am missing something simple
14:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:22726 (6:38:22)
14:41 <K2> thx
14:42 <Loggers_VIII> feckkkk guy montag is hostile
14:42 <Loggers_VIII> you pos where would you be without me
14:42 <K2> oh no
14:43 <K2> hugs!
14:43 <k3ut0i> In the heaven where he belonged, untill you puny tortle pulled him to this abyss
14:43 <K2> give more hugs!
14:43 <Loggers_VIII> maybe I can get wiinaange to kill him
14:43 <Loggers_VIII> @e?archon
14:43 <Hecubus> Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
14:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 16809 points, T:8036, killed by a torrent of acid
14:45 <k3ut0i> damn acid blast
14:45 <Umbire> lol
14:45 <Loggers_VIII> that should be a fun bones
14:46 <K2> hah
14:46 <Loggers_VIII> I KNEW I should've just wished for a magic whistle or something
14:46 <K2> hey no risk, no gain
14:46 <k3ut0i> Why gray dragon specifically?
14:46 <Loggers_VIII> magic resistant
14:46 <Loggers_VIII> didn't want it to get polyd
14:46 <k3ut0i> Haa, poly traps
14:47 <K2> k3ut0i i'm glad to see you utilize ithilmar
14:47 <K2> that made me happy
14:47 <Loggers_VIII> can tortles ride stuff
14:47 <K2> no
14:47 <Loggers_VIII> laaaame
14:47 <K2> tortles gotta tortle
14:47 <Noisytoot> !lastgame
14:47 <Hecubus> Noisytoot: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Noisytoot/evilhack/dumplog/1695318745.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1695262873.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1694601472.evil.html
14:49 <k3ut0i> :) ithilmar + pegasus is very good combination. I just wish I didn't waste the original pegasus from Ice realm.
14:53 <K2> you'll know better how to manage next time
14:53 <Loggers_VIII> ooh fun I started with an oilskin sack
14:53 <K2> various fungi are great treats for herbivore pets to gain extrinsics
14:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1494 points, T:1372, killed by a blue jelly
14:54 <K2> Loggers_VIII the tortle samurai only having basic skill in trident - that's not a bug
14:54 <K2> normally they dont have trident skill at all
14:54 <Loggers_VIII> do sams not have trident
14:54 <Loggers_VIII> ah
14:54 <Loggers_VIII> weird
14:54 <K2> but as a tortle they get basic
14:54 <K2> i was looking at that last night and realized it was fine
14:54 <K2> i shoulda used that trident when I had it
14:55 <qt> K2 I think I see how to fix this
14:55 <K2> <3
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14:55 <qt> you missed changing a few 10s to 11 when you added the new type.  honestly all those 10s/11s should be replaced with a #define to avoid this problem in the future.
14:56 <K2> terrapin mentioned that as well
14:56 <qt> what's the commit where you added the new breath type?
14:56 <K2> one sec
14:56 <qt> in the meantime try this diff against current master https://termbin.com/eznb
14:56 <qt> seems to work for me
14:57 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/748894d6cdec2276c6eec30724e92e8958fa5be3
14:57 <K2> and there were a few follow up commits to that
14:57 <qt> oh wait there's already a macro for it
14:59 <K2> smh
15:01 <K2> qt are you making more edits or should I roll with that termbin and test?
15:01 <qt> i found one more place where it's still using 10
15:01 <qt> one second
15:01 <K2> k
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15:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1906 (0:07:24)
15:15 <qt> K2: https://termbin.com/27cy
15:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2034 (0:08:22)
15:15 <krm26> k2: if player is orc, One Ring should instead fully identify as Ash Nazg (in the Black Tongue)
15:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:56861 (1 day, 13:59:28)
15:15 <qt> I tried to go through and use the macros everywhere I could find that made sense, now that they are in hack.c
15:16 <qt> vanilla should really do that too, it makes no sense that they're stuck in zap.c and all sorts of other files just use fake approximations of them
15:16 <qt> why not just move them into a header file and let the other files use them
15:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1907 (0:10:29)
15:16 <qt> might be worth PRing that at some point
15:16 <qt> anyway check it out in Evilhack for now and lmk if it works for you, or if anything is not working now
15:17 <mobileuser> heh Angelslayer. But no longsword skill for SoA.
15:17 <qt> crap
15:18 <qt> one sec K2 
15:18 <qt> let me fix somethign in there
15:20 <qt> ok here you go https://termbin.com/w6bf1
15:20 <qt> try this
15:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3143 (0:12:01)
15:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3235 (0:13:21)
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15:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:68662 (1 day, 4:59:04)
15:26 <krm26> sob...bye bye brands
15:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 2546 points, T:3358, killed by a magic missile
15:27 <Loggers_VIII> @e?captain
15:27 <Hecubus> captain (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 10 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 15 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Align: -5 | genocidable, omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravis
15:29 <Loggers_VIII> hah, got orctown again
15:29 <Loggers_VIII> luckily not guytown
15:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 6476 points, T:5136, killed by a bolt of cold
15:31 <Loggers_VIII> however it was wandtown
15:31 <terrapin> so during eggandhull's epic battle, i was thinking about escape options, and i noticed something
15:31 <krm26> uh oh nerf incoming :-)
15:31 <Loggers_VIII> terrapin you gotta stop noticing things
15:32 <Loggers_VIII> :P
15:32 <terrapin> actually this is more of an alhoons-genocide level exploit
15:32 <terrapin> if you go downstairs onto a demon lord's level, then go back upstairs, you can level teleport past them
15:32 <krm26> that centaur just smacked me with magicbane! wut!
15:33 <terrapin> mind you, this is slightly difficult to test for certain in wizmode and my local copy is 0.8.2 and hard to update on this computer
15:33 <krm26> you cant teleport past certain demon lords/princes
15:33 <krm26> afaik
15:33 <terrapin> you can't if you haven't visited their level
15:33 <krm26> aaaaah
15:34 <krm26> yeah good catch
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15:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 903 points, T:1814, killed by a pseudodragon
15:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a leather armor entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:69184 (1 day, 5:13:58)
15:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:589 (0:03:37)
15:42 <krm26> now i am rocking the three Ds
15:45 <terrapin> i thought that was more dwarf fortress's thing
15:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 12 points, T:121, killed by a little dart
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15:49 <qt> that's odd
15:49 <qt> i mean, from the code it looks intentional
15:49 <qt> i don't understand why that would be though
15:50 <qt> but it really does just straight up check "if the level is below hella, and you haven't ever visited that level, don't go past it. same for hellb and hellc and orcus."
15:51 <Loggers_VIII> must be intentional no need to mention it to k2
15:51 <qt> maybe it was supposed to be an approximation for "you've beaten that level"
15:51 <qt> there's a term I was trying to think of, not approximation I think
15:52 <qt> a word that means like "i'm trying to figure out whether X is true, but there's no variable that tells me that. however, whenever X happens, Y happens, so i can check Y instead. Y is a _______ for X."
15:52 <qt> anyone know what that is? krm26?
15:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3976 points, T:2283, killed by a giant anaconda
15:53 <K2> qt thanks
15:53 <K2> sorry got pulled away
15:53 <K2> yeah you're not supposed to be able to levelport past certain demon boss levels
15:54 <K2> [backscroll]
15:54 <K2> i would not be surprised if the coding for that could be improved upon :)
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1520 (0:09:00)
15:55 <krm26> qt: proxy
15:55 <Loggers_VIII> aproxymation
15:56 <qt> oh yeah I guess proxy must be it krm26 
15:56 <qt> i was pretty close with "approximation"
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15:56 <krm26> well, they do mean very different things despite being soundalikes :-)
15:56 <qt> yeah just close in the sense of sounding similar :)
15:57 <krm26> they do have different roots tho
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15:58 <K2> qt this looks great. you should definitely PR this to vanilla nethack
15:58 <qt> stop trying to tear me down krm26 
15:58 <qt> you just are jealous i got so close
15:58 <krm26> you got approximately there
15:58 <K2> this would make it trivial to add new breath/wand/spell types 
16:00 <krm26> these constant fireballs are freaking me out man
16:00 <krm26> i think i may have too nervous of a disposition for dichotomy
16:00 <K2> heh
16:00 <terrapin> you either love it or you hate it
16:00 <K2> embrace the fireworks
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16:10 <krm26> where the heck am i getting esp from
16:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:6913 (2:40:11)
16:11 <terrapin> PYEC
16:12 <krm26> no way! i always forget about that
16:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7081 (2:42:58)
16:13 <terrapin> just one more reason for Loggers to rave about tourists
16:14 <K2> qt i found a bug in your patch but my 'fix' isnt right... i have the dumb
16:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57517 (1 day, 14:30:56)
16:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:57518 (1 day, 14:31:04)
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16:16 <K2> @@ -972,11 +970,9 @@ struct attack *mattk;
16:16 <K2>      if (mattk->adtyp == AD_PHYS) {
16:16 <K2>          type = PHYS_EXPL_TYPE;
16:16 <K2>      } else if (mattk->adtyp >= AD_MAGM && mattk->adtyp <= AD_SPC2) {
16:16 <K2> -        /* The -1, +20, *-1 math is to set it up as a 'monster breath' type for
16:16 <K2> -         * the explosions (it isn't, but this is the closest analogue). */
16:16 <K2> -        type = -((mattk->adtyp - 1) + 20);
16:16 <K2> +        type = -(BASE_ZT(mattk->adtyp - 1));
16:16 <K2> ^ makes it behave like freezing sphere
16:16 <K2> oh
16:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3567 (0:30:44)
16:18 <K2> got iy
16:18 <K2> t
16:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Mon Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3181 (0:36:40)
16:21 <qt> wait what?
16:21 <qt> what was your solution K2?
16:21 <qt> what was the bug?
16:21 <qt> tell me pleaze
16:21 <K2> mon_explodes()
16:21 <K2> in explode.c
16:21 <K2> -        type = -((mattk->adtyp - 1) + 20);
16:21 <K2> +        type = -(BASE_ZT(mattk->adtyp - 1) + 22);
16:22 <K2> noticing same issue if poly'd into an exploding sphere type
16:22 <K2> fixed it there too
16:23 <K2> also found another unrelated bug
16:23 <K2> if you poly into a sphere and are punished with ball& chain, it still stays attached even though the rest of your armor falls off
16:24 <terrapin> shouldn't all the 11ns be replaced by n * BASE_ZT?
16:24 <terrapin> s/BASE_ZT/MAX_ZT/
16:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Mon Dro Fem Cha), 9705 points, T:4005, killed by a saber-toothed tiger
16:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:71249 (1 day, 5:59:20)
16:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) murdered her faithful large spider, on T:4686 (0:40:15)
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16:27 <qt> K2 hang on
16:27 <K2> ok
16:27 <qt> terrapin: yes is there somewhere that they aren't?
16:27 <K2> muse.c
16:27 <K2> 4103
16:28 <terrapin> <@K2> -        type = -((mattk->adtyp - 1) + 20);
16:28 <terrapin> <@K2> +        type = -(BASE_ZT(mattk->adtyp - 1) + 22);
16:28 <qt> K2: K2 I don't understand what the bug was
16:28 <K2> you'd get a program in disorder
16:28 <K2> if say a flaming sphere exlodes on you
16:28 <qt> i see
16:28 <K2> *exploded
16:28 <qt> good catch
16:29 <K2> thanks
16:29 <terrapin> or -ZT_BREATH(attk->adtyp) i guess, looking at qt's patch
16:29 <K2> got this one as well in uhitm.c
16:29 <K2> -        explode(u.ux, u.uy, (mattk->adtyp - 1) + 20, tmp, MON_EXPLODE,
16:29 <K2> -                adtyp_to_expltype(mattk->adtyp));
16:29 <K2> +        explode(u.ux, u.uy, (BASE_ZT(mattk->adtyp - 1) + 22), tmp,
16:29 <K2> +                MON_EXPLODE, adtyp_to_expltype(mattk->adtyp));
16:29 <K2> ^ poly'd into a sphere and exploding yourself
16:30 <K2> sometimes I like to imgaine that qt purposely omits edits and lets me find them so I can feel good about myself
16:30 <K2> it's working
16:31 <K2> gotta go pickup mini-me, back in a few
16:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1361 (0:07:28)
16:41 <qt> cool K2 
16:41 <qt> nice job
16:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered Soko, her faithful centipede, on T:72077 (1 day, 6:14:32)
16:42 <qt> I haven't been able to test it unfortunately, since I've been on a phone call for quite a while
16:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:3815 (0:16:33)
16:44 <eggandhull> krm26: shoot, change of plan
16:44 <eggandhull> krm26: The floor here is too hard to dig in.
16:44 <eggandhull> the Tiamat,geryon,Baphomet level cannot be dug downward for some reason lol
16:45 <Umbire> Most demon ruler levels can't
16:45 <terrapin> oh yeah that's standard for demon lair floors
16:45 <eggandhull> ok so now i'm trapped, not sure how to escape and regroup
16:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:4569 (0:19:34)
16:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 8974 points, T:6876, killed by a soldier ant
16:48 <terrapin> i think taking them on one at a time by moving directly left is your best bet
16:48 <terrapin> and it leaves the boulder fort if you need a breather
16:50 <terrapin> you could run for the downstairs, but it would take like two dozen moves of all three hitting you, and odds are in that same number of turns you could disintegrate two of of them
16:52 <terrapin> actually a slightly more optimal strategy is go left, pick up the boulder, and return to your spot in the middle
16:52 <terrapin> then you can throw the boulder to the left to restore the fort even if a demon lord is on the square
16:53 <eggandhull> hmm, i see
16:53 <eggandhull> so the hope is out of many hits some of them will disintegrate them
16:53 <terrapin> unless you're hitting every time, i'd just go single weapon with SoA
16:53 <terrapin> yeah
16:53 <terrapin> they'll teleport to the upstairs to heal so instakills are your best bet
16:54 <eggandhull> single weapon because to get better to-hit?
16:54 <terrapin> yeah; giants often suffer there
16:54 <terrapin> but samurai do have excellent skills so maybe twoweaponing is fine
16:54 <eggandhull> k let's see how it goes
16:56 <eggandhull> ugh, succubus riding shadow dragon keeps draining me from the right
16:56 <terrapin> @e?succubus
16:56 <Hecubus> succubus (&) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 0d0 bite sex, 1d3 claw physical, 1d3 claw physical | Align: -9 | flies, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis
16:57 <eggandhull> it doesn't get killed by death wand
16:58 <terrapin> a couple silver shuriken should kill her, then you can tame the dragon
16:58 <terrapin> or kill it
16:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible willisllama's ghost, the former Inmate, on T:6904 (3:26:28)
17:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) destroyed tinklebear's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:7023 (3:28:31)
17:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:154070 (1 day, 16:05:15)
17:02 <bouquet> yay!
17:02 <eggandhull> yay one down!!
17:02 <eggandhull> but it dropped my 138 hp to 83 in one hit..
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17:02 <bouquet> do you have any paralysis? That'll help keep them from running to the upstairs
17:02 <eggandhull> none
17:02 <eggandhull> i wish i had
17:03 <bouquet> didn't I see a wand of wishing in your bag ;)
17:03 <eggandhull> oh right
17:03 <eggandhull> that's true
17:04 <eggandhull> folks seem to suggest hold onto the wishes for now until situation becomes even more dire lol?
17:04 <bouquet> kind of a waste of a wish, but no sense dying with unused wishes 
17:04 <bouquet> ya, this isn't dire at all /rolls eyes
17:05 <Loggers_VIII> if i was you i would have just wished for six markers and left it at that
17:05 <bouquet> scroll of confuse monster is good too. I read a bunch of those then whack them and they get confused. Sometimes it helps keep them from running to the stairs.
17:06 <Loggers_VIII> but wishing for potions of paralysis is just a bad wish
17:06 <Loggers_VIII> even in this situation
17:06 <eggandhull> how would 6 markers help
17:06 <Loggers_VIII> oh, it wouldn't
17:06 <Loggers_VIII> I'm not saying you should
17:07 <Loggers_VIII> but it simplifies things
17:07 <terrapin> problem with paralysis potions is that they're so swingy
17:07 <Loggers_VIII> ^
17:07 <terrapin> there's a decent chance you won't be able to kill the boss before it warps off, and then it'll have been for nothing
17:07 <bouquet> is this one of those levels you can't 'cursed gain level' your way out?
17:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Demogorgon, on T:58133 (1 day, 15:00:33)
17:07 <terrapin> even full healing potions would probably be a better wish
17:08 <Loggers_VIII> afaik you can cursed glevel
17:08 <terrapin> bouquet yeah
17:08 <bouquet> so you can't?
17:08 <Loggers_VIII> *can't
17:08 <bouquet> ya, figured
17:09 <Loggers_VIII> !whereis eggandhull
17:09 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] eggandhull [evil]: (Sam Gia Mal Law) T:153924 Gehennom level: 42
17:09 <bouquet> all I can think of is burn up some marker charges on ?oEarth and boulder fort your way back to the upstairs
17:10 <Loggers_VIII> whoa what happened to your hp just now eggandhull
17:10 <Loggers_VIII> I thought you had a higher max than that
17:10 <Loggers_VIII> man, this situation just sucks
17:10 <eggandhull> Loggers_VIII: drained by 2 shadow dragons
17:11 <bouquet> oof
17:11 <Loggers_VIII> would've been prudent to wish for mithril large splint mail of decay
17:11 <Loggers_VIII> especially after last time
17:12 <bouquet> ok, here's my plan... swap slow digestion for conflict, whip up a bunch of ?oE, slowly make your way back to the upstairs via boulder fort.
17:12 <bouquet> cancel anything that sucks
17:12 <eggandhull> didn't bring conflict ring...thought it's useless in evil due to low charisma..
17:13 <Loggers_VIII> could you go down a level and then levelport back up
17:13 <eggandhull> Loggers_VIII: nope, not diggable downwards
17:13 <Loggers_VIII> I mean, could you go to the down staris
17:13 <Loggers_VIII> *stairs
17:13 <bouquet> oh right, are the downstairs nearby?
17:13 <Loggers_VIII> the demons will generally hang around the upstairs
17:13 <Loggers_VIII> yes, the downstairs are in that building
17:14 <bouquet> still, boulderfort your way just to be sure. Your HP is scary low
17:14 <eggandhull> i don't have magic mapping to see where downstairs is
17:14 <terrapin> top left of the building
17:14 <terrapin> by the ogre royal
17:15 <terrapin> you have to go up then down the center then up the left hall
17:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 16831 points, T:9795, zombified by a kobold zombie, while paralyzed by a monster
17:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1901 (0:12:36)
17:15 <terrapin> but it's still shorter than going to the upstairs
17:15 <eggandhull> i feel like i should kill Baphomet first before attempting to move
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17:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2273 (0:15:14)
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17:17 <bouquet> dang you broke his poleaxe
17:18 <eggandhull> is zapping slow monster at it a good idea
17:18 <terrapin> @e?baphomet
17:18 <Hecubus> Baphomet (&) | Lvl: 54 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: unique | AC: -4 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw physical, 2d6 cast clerical, 8d6 butt knockback | Align: -15 | flies, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis
17:18 <krm26> gotta beat his mr, might take a bunch of zaps
17:18 <krm26> (so probably no)
17:19 <terrapin> i think he might be slow-proof
17:19 <krm26> what you wanna do is stick ashmar in his face
17:19 <terrapin> 75(100-50+...12?)>1
17:20 <terrapin> missed a '/', but you get the point
17:21 <terrapin> see if you can trap the black dragon directly to the right of you with boulders
17:21 <terrapin> it might disintegrate baph if you're lucky
17:21 <eggandhull> trap it in the same parallel line as me?
17:22 <terrapin> yeah, so it's lined up with you and the square baphomet appears on
17:22 <bouquet> Loggers_VIII: I checked the IRC logs and I think you have the record for fasted Gollum kill at 00:01:39.
17:22 <terrapin> now! move right and throw boulders diagonally
17:23 <eggandhull> oops
17:23 <eggandhull> missed the chance since crawling out of pit
17:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3059 (0:20:58)
17:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:8213 (3:51:23)
17:24 <eggandhull> ok it's trapped
17:24 <krm26> k2: giantslayer + keolewa -> gungnir. all giantslayer properties + never misses + high chance to break opponent's weapons (including artifacts) and although not cannon maybe keeps keolewa's lightning too.
17:24 <Loggers_VIII> bouquet lol I try to get gtown out of the way quickly
17:25 <krm26> you do EVERYTHING quickly
17:25 <Loggers_VIII> well I try to get gtown out of the way quicker, then
17:25 <bouquet> ya, I thought I blew through early stuff fast. You put me to shame
17:25 <krm26> man dichotomy is just for murder hobos, blows up all the friendlies
17:25 <terrapin> forge it, loggers, it's goblintown
17:26 <Loggers_VIII> lol
17:26 <eggandhull> there's damn peaceful giant moving into my square
17:26 <Loggers_VIII> ughh zombie horde on my altar level
17:26 <Loggers_VIII> kill it
17:28 <eggandhull> Loggers_VIII: as i slowly march my way to death..what's a direr situation
17:28 <Loggers_VIII> what, the zombies or your clusterfuck? the zombies
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17:30 <krm26> i missed what happened eggandhull -- did you not dig down to escape and then come back from the upstairs?
17:30 <Loggers_VIII> it's an undiggable level
17:30 <krm26> ahhhhhhh
17:31 <krm26> that is a very compelling reason to not do that
17:31 <Loggers_VIII> I think egg can make it to the stairs, though
17:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:3977 (0:29:01)
17:32 <Loggers_VIII> thanks hermes
17:32 <eggandhull> krm26: yeah tried dig, can't
17:32 <eggandhull> so now the plan is to use SoA to try to kill baph first
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17:33 <Loggers_VIII> if you can knock baph up a little he'll run to the stairs prob
17:33 <Loggers_VIII> holy fuck that may win the poorest phrasing award
17:34 <Loggers_VIII> if you damage baph enough he might run to the stairs
17:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:5092 (0:31:42)
17:34 <Loggers_VIII> another one? you're too kind
17:34 <eggandhull> now just chancing the 10% instankill
17:34 <terrapin> hermes is just so excited about the dagger/knife skill merge
17:35 <eggandhull> ugh, taking a break until later, thx guys
17:35 <eggandhull> it's a miracle i'm not dead already lol
17:35 <terrapin> slow and steady and all that
17:35 <Loggers_VIII> good to take a break to think
17:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 25 points, T:296, killed by kicking an adverse material
17:35 <bouquet> uniquedeath!
17:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:5326 (0:33:18)
17:36 <Loggers_VIII> how did you manage that?
17:36 <k3ut0i> kicked iron things?
17:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 114 points, T:424, killed by a kobold
17:39 <Loggers_VIII> Dumbass of the Year award goes to Loggers_VIII, who diluted some potions of object detection to bless his smoky potions
17:39 <Loggers_VIII> the potions of object detection were, in fact, his smoky potions
17:40 <terrapin> hahaha oh no!
17:40 <k3ut0i> Lol 
17:41 <bouquet> kicked an iron thing
17:41 <k3ut0i> Atleast you haven't done aphrodite, there will be many more in the future.
17:41 <Loggers_VIII> yeah, I will be sure to see a lot more in the future
17:44 <Loggers_VIII> "You stab deep into the orc zombie's heart!" ewww old rotten heart
17:46 <K2> heh
17:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3003 (1:37:21)
17:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1596 (0:11:14)
17:53 <bouquet> ascending is cool and all, but finding a +5 bone skull cap in goblin town is amazing
17:54 <K2> \o/
17:56 <eggandhull> bouquet: totally agreed! early game discoveries so fun. in vanilla, mid game+ it becomes a chore. evil not so much lol
17:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3056 points, T:2277, killed by a soldier ant
17:56 <terrapin> Whoops...  An arrow shoots out at you!  You are hit by an arrow. The arrow burns you! Your scroll labeled HACKEM MUCHE catches fire and burns! Your scroll labeled KIRJE catches fire and burns! One of your scrolls of identify catches fire and burns! You are burned by the iron arrow of fire!
17:56 <bouquet> there's that bug again, the blue one that always kills me
17:56 <terrapin> what a welcome to new goblintown
17:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:10673 (0:54:35)
17:57 <bouquet> but those arrows can be crafted into something cool
17:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1090 points, T:1880, zombified by a kobold zombie
17:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a goblin shaman corpse, on T:3962 (1:50:03)
18:00 <terrapin> the goblin king is like drunk or something
18:00 <terrapin> he stumbling around; i didn't do anything to him
18:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha), 2640 points, T:4162, killed by the Goblin King
18:01 <terrapin> wow, it's been a while since a death by '.'
18:01 <Loggers_VIII> he stumblin
18:02 <Loggers_VIII> well, you know what they say about fighting while drunk
18:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:12298 (1:02:29)
18:06 <Loggers_VIII> hermes, you are literally a GOD. like, a DEITY. that people are sacrificing coorpses to. can you please do better than a single +3 dagger
18:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 20106 points, T:12959, petrified by a cockatrice
18:07 <Loggers_VIII> ?????
18:07 <Loggers_VIII> excuse me hwhat
18:07 <k3ut0i> what
18:07 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame
18:07 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1695320991.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1695325741.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1694601472.evil.html
18:07 <k3ut0i> didn't you have dext-gloves
18:07 <Loggers_VIII> yes
18:07 <Loggers_VIII> I got hissed at
18:08 <Loggers_VIII> but it only took two turns to petrify me?
18:08 <terrapin> #tortleproblems
18:08 <Loggers_VIII> boo
18:08 <Loggers_VIII> *this* close to just switching to human tourist or something for a quick asc
18:08 <Loggers_VIII> but I love tortle healer
18:09 <k3ut0i> MC 0
18:09 <Loggers_VIII> yeah mc's whatever
18:09 <Loggers_VIII> just annoyed I got a turn of safety stolen
18:11 <terrapin> i remember one time someone went downstairs as a burdened giant, saw a beholder, and instapetrified
18:12 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I forget who that was
18:12 <Loggers_VIII> sounds like krm26
18:13 <k3ut0i> My tortle tourist died due to lost of turn too, caught a double attack from Baphomet just as I was about to escape.
18:13 <terrapin> krm26 could go downstairs as a hasted centaur and still manage to get instapetrified somehow
18:14 <Loggers_VIII> I genuinely think krm26 has pissed someone off upstairs. there is no other explanation that makes sense
18:14 <Noisytoot> What is a good early wish for a drow monk? I found a blessed magic lamp (and I know it's magic because only magic lamps hurt when lit)
18:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 358 points, T:658, killed by life drainage
18:15 <Loggers_VIII> blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance is my default first wish for monk
18:15 <Loggers_VIII> if you want to keep your robe around for a while you could go for dragonbane, or speed boots
18:15 <terrapin> 1) dragonhide cloak of MR 2) dragonhide robe 3) blessed mithril/silver gauntlets of power 4) dragonbane
18:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:19773 (3:51:52)
18:19 <eggandhull> guys i think the strategy is bad. tiamat touch of death me multiple times and hp keeps getting drained, now 122 hp
18:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1405 (0:06:25)
18:21 <K2> fix for zap/explosion types inbound soon
18:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Mon Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:3214 (0:39:18)
18:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Mon Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3274 (0:40:45)
18:25 <bouquet> eggandhull: I think you should get to the downstairs. Is that still your plan?
18:25 <Noisytoot> I fell through to Gollum's level, now how do I get back up?
18:25 <terrapin> upstairs at the bottom left
18:25 <bouquet> aren't the stairs still in the bottom left?
18:25 <terrapin> it's hidden by the trees
18:25 <Loggers_VIII> eggandhull you don't really have much choice besides getting to the stairs
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18:26 <Loggers_VIII> even if you escape you'll have to do 1-2 hours of prep probably to be endgame-ready again
18:26 <bouquet> and since you're a giant you can walk over boulders. Use those markers to whip up some uncursed scrolls of earth to fortify your way there
18:29 <eggandhull> do you guys recommend doing that now, or wait till Baphomet is finished by chance SoA? I landed about 10 hits and not disintegrated him yet
18:29 <Noisytoot> "You have an uneasy feeling about wielding cold iron." Does that mean I took a luck penalty? I'm wearing gloves.
18:30 <terrapin> no effect, just flavor
18:31 <terrapin> i think the general consensus is "run away!", eggandhull
18:31 <K2> or take a stand and hope for the best
18:31 <K2> i did that once with grazzt and it paid off
18:31 <Loggers_VIII> eggandhull will die if they do that
18:32 <Loggers_VIII> you can make it to the stairs without even getting touched if you use enough scrolls of earth just go
18:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Noisytoot (Mon Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:3921 (0:49:47)
18:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1047 (0:21:04)
18:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "asdf", on T:3265 (0:24:14)
18:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3884 points, T:3295, killed by a gnome lady
18:37 <K2> qt, found a few more cases and corrected, could use another set of eyes - https://termbin.com/g9vb
18:37 <K2> ^ your patch plus some of my edits
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18:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2989 (0:42:44)
18:45 <terrapin> dunno if this counts as a bug
18:46 <terrapin> if you're blind and try to name something, it won't display the name in inventory. but, if you try to name it again, it will display whatever name you gave it (or its real name if it's an artifact)
18:47 <K2> huh
18:47 <terrapin> for instance, i just picked up 'a ring', but if i #name it, it tells me it's the One Ring (not that i didn't know that)
18:47 <terrapin> calling things is just straight disallowed, which i think would fix it? haven't looked at the code
18:48 <terrapin> also the One Ring is 6 aum due to material shenanigans
18:49 <K2> krm26 will be upset
18:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3157 (0:47:58)
18:50 <K2> brb
18:51 <Noisytoot> invisibility is wooden in my game, so it's a wooden gold ring somehow
18:54 <terrapin> i suppose you could keep track of which item is in which inventory slot out of game, so maybe naming individual items should be allowed?
18:54 <terrapin> idk, as long as it's consistent
18:57 <Noisytoot> naming individual items probably should be, but probably not types of items (since you can't tell the colour of potions/label of scrolls when blind)
18:57 <qt> K2 I will suggest a few changes to this
18:57 <terrapin> but you can tell that the scroll is in the 'a' slot
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18:58 <terrapin> i don't really have an opinion either way, but i do think an argument could be made for either
18:59 <K2> qt sounds good
19:00 <K2> Noisytoot for all intents and purposes, the one ring is gold, so be aware that leprechauns will want to steal it
19:01 <K2> i'm awar ethe description doesnt mater (wooden [base material for invis ring] and gold [set material for the one ring in artilist.h])
19:01 <K2> s/mater/match
19:01 <K2> not sure how to go about addressing that
19:02 <K2> but, the game will treat it as gold
19:03 <eggandhull> Sorry missed the messages. So I can wish up 2 scrolls of earth. But then when do I use them? Whenver the 2 bosses close in? 
19:03 <Noisytoot> I like terrapin's suggestion of "gilded <foo> ring"
19:07 <K2> could do that
19:14 <terrapin> oh K2 did you see the thing about levelporting past demon lairs earlier?
19:14 <K2> yes
19:14 <K2> go to level, immediate go back up stairs, levelport past
19:15 <K2> nice catch
19:21 <qt> K2 these were all good catches
19:21 <qt> nice job on that one
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19:21 <qt> great job honestly
19:21 <K2> thanks
19:23 <krm26> K2 i am always upset, i am naturally 64% upset
19:24 <K2> 64% upset 100% of the time
19:24 <K2> i understand. you live in FL
19:24 <krm26> ugh you bastard
19:24 <K2> :(
19:24 <krm26> always bringing that up
19:24 <K2> but it explains a few things
19:25 <K2> you're trapped
19:25 <krm26> *i* could be working from barcelona or perth or florence...but NO, the wife...
19:25 <qt> K2: here's another version with amendments from me to your edits, e.g. there were a couple of places that you had still left a hardcoded '... + 22', and some where you used BASE_ZT incorrectly: https://termbin.com/y16n
19:25 <K2> come live with me you can be the same age son i never had
19:25 <K2> qt thanks
19:25 <K2> i figured i may have not quite got some edits right
19:25 <qt> are you two really the same age? I thought krm26 was older than K2 
19:26 <krm26> i am older than dirt
19:26 <krm26> have to do math every time to figure it out
19:26 <K2> we're close
19:26 <bouquet> krm26, you told me you used to do cave paintings.
19:26 <K2> i'll be 52 this xmas
19:26 <krm26> i'm a nixon resignation baby
19:26 <krm26> 69 dude
19:26 <K2> hothraxxa is the ancient one
19:27 <K2> krm26 you can be my older man-son-friend
19:27 <krm26> i never liked manson
19:27 <K2> i can adopt you even though you were born before me
19:27 <K2> no not manson... man-son
19:28 <qt> you can start a new organization called the man-son-family
19:28 <K2> ooh that'd make me a grandpa
19:28 <krm26> heh
19:28 <qt> i'm sure it will go great
19:28 <qt> out isolated in a rural area, all alone
19:28 <K2> HEH
19:28 <krm26> i wish i were just a kid. i woke up this morning to water pouring out of the light fixture in my closet and it was MY problem
19:28 <K2> noooo
19:28 <qt> oof
19:28 <krm26> part of my neverending two month AC saga
19:28 <bouquet> ugh
19:29 <qt> you could also regain that part of being a kid if you rent
19:29 <krm26> after everything was finally "fixed" apparently they had cracked the inner pan and misaligned the float on the overflow pan
19:29 <K2> qt cool i see what i did wrong in artifact.c
19:29 <qt> except it's like being the kid of neglectful parents who ignore and beat you
19:29 <qt> and don't give you an allowance and steal your paper route money
19:29 <krm26> don't tell me daughter there are other types of parents!
19:30 <qt> sounds like you're preparing her for being a tenant out in the real world
19:31 <qt> K2: I don't think you did anything wrong per se, it would have worked, just didn't benefit from the macros like it could have
19:31 <krm26> omigod dichotomy/dirge is one or twoshotting EVERYTHING
19:31 <qt> I think you're right that this is probably worth a vanilla PR
19:32 <K2> hell yeah it is
19:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 7530 points, T:7611, killed by a soldier ant
19:32 <qt> there really are a ton of places where it's hardcoded with stupid magic numbers
19:32 <krm26> i wonder what the dichotomy fireball is gonna do to the ice floor at kathryn
19:33 <qt> there's a weapon called dichotomy?
19:33 <krm26> fire brand + frost brand, soa uses a new recipe
19:33 <krm26> it pops off fireballs and frostballs as you smack stuff
19:33 <krm26> kills ALL your pets and angers all the peacefuls
19:34 <qt> lovely
19:34 <qt> sounds like a laugh riot
19:34 <qt> s/laugh //
19:34 <krm26> you should play a game some time while we all watch you
19:34 <K2> with this incoming fix, the fireballs will melt ice and the freeze explosions will solidify lava
19:34 <krm26> i mean, we're ALWAYS watching you, but you should play a game while we do it
19:34 <K2> heh
19:34 <qt> who, me? or K2?
19:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:74622 (1 day, 7:44:46)
19:35 <qt> yeah, I would like to give Evilhack a shot again. but it's been a long time and many new versions since I've even tried it
19:35 <qt> i fear I would not last long.
19:36 <K2> didnt you play it during june?
19:36 <K2> also, any more edits to this qt or do you think we're good?
19:36 <qt> I mostly sat out during June, I didn't ascend anything
19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha), 64 points, T:489, killed by a fox
19:37 <qt> I think it's good K2.  I wouldn't be surprised if there were some other hardcoded zaptype lurking around somewhere but if so, I don't know where it is
19:37 <K2> ok
19:37 <eggandhull> terrapin krm26 -- ok so i think i have to run. armor very deteriorated now. do i wish up for 2 uncursed scrolls of earth and go?
19:37 <krm26> lemme spy on you again real quick
19:38 <terrapin> don't you have a marker?
19:38 <qt> voyeur time
19:38 <qt> with krm26 
19:38 <eggandhull> or i can wish up for 2 cancel wands to blank ~3-4 scrolls i have
19:38 <eggandhull> yea i do have a marker, no blank scrolls
19:38 <terrapin> cancellation wands are clever
19:39 <krm26> can you close your bag
19:39 <terrapin> you could also dip a unihorn into the potion of blindness and blank scrolls with that, save a wish
19:39 <krm26> did you kill baphomet?
19:39 <eggandhull> no, baph still there
19:39 <eggandhull> i landed like 15-20 hits with SoA, still no instant kill
19:40 <krm26> so you just want the scrolls to establish bases on your way to the down stairs?
19:40 <krm26> you'll definitely need one to safely descend the stairs without company
19:40 <Noisytoot> eggandhull: you can't wish for 2 cancel wands with 1 wish
19:40 <krm26> with all the crap around you you might benefit from using your taming scroll while confused
19:40 <Noisytoot> wands aren't stackable
19:41 <qt> but you can wish for 2 cancel wands with 2 wishes B)
19:41 <eggandhull> yeah i just want scrolls of earth -- related question is when do i use those scrolls of earth. when the 2 baddies close in to melee range?
19:41 <krm26> the boulders won't displace anybody already there, but they will move out when they can
19:41 <krm26> i would wish for 2 uncursed scrolls of earth
19:42 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±12] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/227736277226...db2e58b25354
19:42 <terrapin> blank scrolls, write two scrolls of earth
19:42 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 db2e58b - Fix: zap/explosion types, overhaul.
19:42 <krm26> if you have blank scrolls then yes definitely write them
19:42 <Noisytoot> @e?baphomet
19:42 <Hecubus> Baphomet (&) | Lvl: 54 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: unique | AC: -4 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw physical, 2d6 cast clerical, 8d6 butt knockback | Align: -15 | flies, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis
19:43 <eggandhull> let me dip unihorn first
19:45 <eggandhull> nice got 2 scrolls of earth
19:45 <krm26> !!
19:46 <krm26> carpet the world with boulders
19:46 <krm26> giants are so amazing
19:47 <eggandhull> can i read scroll while blind?
19:47 <Noisytoot> yes, if you know what scroll it is
19:47 <Noisytoot> unlike with spellbooks
19:52 <krm26> you got it in the bag!
19:52 <krm26> kicking doors lets you move sideways
19:52 <eggandhull> ran away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:52 <terrapin> \o/
19:52 <eggandhull> OH MY GOD
19:52 <krm26> grats! teleporter level
19:53 <eggandhull> back to stash.......
19:53 <krm26> now for the rebuilding montage
19:53 <eggandhull> what an ordeal
19:53 <eggandhull> so do you think i should level up to 30 right now
19:53 <eggandhull> to get higher limits of hp
19:55 <K2> \o/
19:55 <K2> i would, but not everyone subscribes to that strategy
19:55 <bouquet> nice work eggandhull!
19:56 <K2> it'll also increase your to-hit, esp at lvl 30
19:56 <bouquet> but you'll end up with higher level baddies that mega-summon.
19:56 <eggandhull> ty all
19:56 <bouquet> eggandhull: if you're able go do a lot of nurse dancing and get your HP WAY up
19:56 <krm26> i definitely would not level past 19
19:56 <K2> by the time you kill the wizard, high level badiess spawn no matter what your level is
19:56 <eggandhull> yeah i ran into 0.7 release post on reddit where for the first time i saw to-hit would get bumped
19:57 <krm26> 19 is the sweet spot until you are ready for rodney (imo)
19:57 <bouquet> ^^
19:57 <krm26> narrow exceptions for monks who need resists
19:57 <terrapin> nurse dancing before levelups
19:57 <K2> take a vacation
19:57 <terrapin> giants gain a lot of HP per level so it would probably make you HP/XL ratio worse
19:58 <eggandhull> yes, vacation first before i do something stupid again....
19:59 <K2> heh
19:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:75221 (1 day, 8:09:18)
19:59 <K2> <various> sphere, in your mind do you imagine them as unsolid?
20:00 <K2> or having any substantial mass at all?
20:00 <terrapin> a solid outer shell
20:00 <krm26> bubbles
20:00 <terrapin> otherwise, how does the pressure build up to an explosion?
20:00 <K2> good point
20:04 <K2> i'm thinking nolimbs() should be added to polyself.c (line 916)
20:05 <K2> poly'd into a sphere and still having a ball & chain attached feels wrong
20:06 <krm26> ugh pegasi are worthless with dichotomy until i can find a red mold
20:06 <jonadab> K2: Poly'd into a sphere and still wearing an amulet and rings also seems odd.
20:07 <krm26> they are floating inside your bubble
20:07 <krm26> so if you are a flame sphere and you have a wood ring on it should burn up :-)
20:08 <jonadab> And if you are a freezing sphere, any potions in your inventory should freeze?
20:09 <krm26> agree to agree!
20:09 <jonadab> Too bad there's no disintegrating sphere.
20:09 <krm26> antimatter vortex
20:10 <jonadab> Hmm, yeah, ok.
20:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2178 (0:19:00)
20:12 <krm26> do snow boots stop you from slipping on ice?
20:13 <K2> yeah
20:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2851 (0:24:05)
20:16 <krm26> do logger boots kick down trees more efficiently?
20:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a gold axe entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:76257 (1 day, 8:34:37)
20:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una), 5582 points, T:5553, zombified by a diseased kobold corpse, while fainted from lack of food
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20:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:28834 (10:54:59)
20:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28836 (10:55:04)
20:39 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/db2e58b25354...6f212d62f395
20:39 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 6f212d6 - Allow being unpunished (ball & chain) if poly'd into monster with no limbs.
20:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:77554 (1 day, 8:51:21)
20:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed his quest without incident, on T:29091 (10:58:30)
20:46 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/6f212d62f395...0499260b6a3f
20:46 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 0499260 - Prevent waking up the Wizard of Yendor before actual encounter.
20:48 <K2> !who
20:48 <Hecubus> K2: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil] krm26 [evil] willisllama [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players
20:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:77888 (1 day, 8:58:53)
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20:58 <terrapin> oddly enough, even kicking boots don't kick down trees more efficiently
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21:30 <K2> latest commits are live
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21:33 <K2> woop
21:33 <K2> ok lets kill off some more samurai tortles :P
21:42 <terrapin> k2 turns out it's super easy to get monsters to pick up partial stacks
21:43 <terrapin> you just modify can_carry and then it works
21:44 <K2> oh nice
21:44 <terrapin> there is this oddity where monsters stop picking stuff up at ~80% capacity, and i'm not sure if it's intended or just a kind of hack to avoid more fine-grained calculation
21:44 <K2> its intended
21:44 <K2> vanilla behavior
21:45 <terrapin> cool
21:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1599 (0:16:04)
21:51 <K2> beartrap ftw
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21:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Sam Gia Mal Law), 5240 points, T:4617, poisoned by a jellyfish
22:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 0 points, T:9, killed by a water demon, while praying
22:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 130 points, T:489, killed by an arrow, while hiding in his shell
22:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Crom, on T:21086 (4:09:07)
22:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:1789 (0:32:30)
22:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:1839 (0:34:15)
22:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:739 (0:05:43)
22:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a javelin entrusted to her by Crom, on T:21608 (4:20:44)
22:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Cen Fem Neu), 1434 points, T:2198, killed by the Goblin King
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22:20 <Loggers_VIII> !who
22:20 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] knnn [evil] k2 [evil] Disruptor [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players
22:21 <Loggers_VIII> YANI: healers start the game knowing potions of sickness
22:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 156 points, T:692, killed by a water moccasin
22:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 1048 points, T:1532, killed by a hill orc
22:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1487 (0:03:45)
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22:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3462 (0:59:32)
22:38 <K2> sleepy time
22:38 <K2> gnite all o/
22:38 <terrapin> 'night K2
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22:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2424 (0:09:33)
22:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una), 712 points, T:726, killed by a gnome lord
23:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 4 points, T:27, killed by a bear trap
23:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha) murdered Nicodemus, her faithful sewer rat, on T:4 (0:00:05)
23:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 67 points, T:298, killed by a jackal
23:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 17 points, T:128, killed by a scroll of earth
23:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 99 points, T:114, killed by a water demon
23:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 45 points, T:174, killed by a grid bug
23:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] knnn (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:26173 (5:12:22)
23:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Sam Gia Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:8475 (1:06:08)
23:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Sam Gia Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby green dragon, on T:8486 (1:06:32)
23:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 551 points, T:1288, killed by a hobbit
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23:33 <eggandhull> Just to confirm. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Drain_resistance does not mention hp getting drained but in evil drain resist does protect against those, right?
23:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4343 (2:08:24)
23:40 <terrapin> -ish
23:41 <terrapin> the maxhp drain from reflecting shadow dragon breath is an evil-specific property of draining breath (vanilla doesn't even have draining breath, or partial reflection, so it's hard to compare). drain resistance will prevent this
23:42 <eggandhull> ty!
23:42 <terrapin> the maxhp drain from death magic is also unique to evilhack (vanilla doesn't have partial MR/reflection, so there is no parallel for this either). drain resistance does not prevent this
23:43 <eggandhull> oh i see, that's why the ish
23:43 <eggandhull> hmm, then mithril large splint mail of decay may not be worth a wish. can just geno shadow dragon 
23:45 <terrapin> yeah. taking off reflection is often enough to deal with shadow dragons, too. tripe and restore ability potions make it easier to regain lost levels compared to lost maxhp
23:46 <eggandhull> why is removing reflection a good idea? the breadth would hit in that case..?
23:47 <terrapin> it will drain a level, but eating a tripe ration will restore it immediately
23:48 <terrapin> you'll lose progress on your current XL, but after level ~15 you don't plan on advancing via incremental XP gain anyway
23:48 <eggandhull> i had no idea tripe ration could do that!
23:48 <terrapin> it gives 1 XP which is enough to bump you back up an XL
23:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:2448 (0:24:22)