00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 2602 points, T:3296, killed by a gnome lord 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:16032 (5:11:41) 01:05 -!- krm26_ has joined #evilhack 01:09 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11828 (3:18:30) 01:35 well, that's my first time finding the luckstone in evilhack 01:49 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:131943 (1 day, 2:15:04) 01:50 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:131993 (1 day, 2:16:24) 01:51 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:132004 (1 day, 2:17:32) 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:13833 (3:56:01) 01:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:19 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 124293 points, T:23459, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while dressing up 02:27 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:14331 (4:27:57) 02:48 [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Val Hum Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:15092 (4:46:41) 02:48 awesome, and I was already training longswords and got vorpal blade 02:50 enjoying evil so far? 02:53 mostly 02:54 though a few things are hard to understand, like forging with racial materials of different races 02:59 elaborate a bit? 02:59 like, making orcish short swords vs. elven ones as an example? 03:05 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 03:10 too bad the recipes don't say you can mix orcish gear with regular gear 03:11 I had to ask that 03:15 Ah 03:15 Yeah racial stuff has distinct recipes from other stuff 03:16 it can be unintuitive but thankfully I took the time to make a forge article on the wiki 03:16 which, gonna have to update it now speaking of... 03:23 if only I could use orcish chain mail with splint mail, I'd have silver plate mail 03:33 also, when I get to beholders and magic eyes, their descriptions scare me 03:54 when you spot them, wear a blindfold 03:55 but yeah, especially beholders are extremely dangerous 04:00 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 04:01 thankfully in 0.83 atleast we can see beholders with telepathy. 04:01 really? oh wow 04:01 0.8.3* 04:02 the destroy armor spell also terrifies me 04:02 because I haven't had a change to erodeproof anything 04:03 sometimes I call evilhack "anxietyhack" ;-) 04:04 :) have MR and fight with only one spellcaster at a time. get repair armor spell if you can. 04:05 or keep some enchant weapon / enchant armor scrolls in reserve to repair armor 04:06 Oh... I forgot we can fix armor by wield it and confused enchant weapon right? Damn, I never do that. 04:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:67835 (1 day, 12:46:51) 04:09 The reputation is largely due to the fact that EvilHack is a lot more reliant on game knowledge, including stuff in vanilla you can reasonably have gone forever without needing to thikn about 04:09 think* 04:10 back to the racial items thing, a perk of that is orcs can work their way to surprisingly effective weapons as soon as goblin town 04:11 Yeah, I don't think early game is harder than vanilla. Mid to late game sure is but vanilla becomes boring after a while. 04:12 midgame certainly is harder for spellcasters 04:13 those zombies are great at wasting all your mp when you just need to wait and sacrifice whatever monsters come 04:13 and if something quick and hard-hitting gets close to a mage, they will have a hard time 04:13 Zombies have certainly become nastier, too many pets deaths are due to them 04:14 I think my own pet death was due to them 04:16 There's plenty of ways to get rid of zombies, several of them aren't especially energy-intensive 04:16 :( Shit my ki-rin died to a baby black dragon 04:16 lol 04:17 if you have a unicorn horn you can fairly reliably disposes of non-same race corpses by eating them 04:17 can you just burn zombie corpses with a fire bolt? 04:17 No 04:17 just think of it as disposing of trolls 04:18 stuff in a lockable box, cram in a bag of holding, etc. etc. 04:18 or by chopping off their corpse's head 04:18 yes, beheading via Vorpal Blade 04:19 I actually have vorpal blade 04:19 but it seems I have to wait for them to revive 04:20 it's not remotely reliably and you're better off with one of the methods I mentioned 04:20 reliable* 04:21 also if your are camping on one level for a while, you can chuck them downstairs. Dipping them in a nearby forge works too 04:21 sometimes I carry the corpses into shops 04:21 letting the shopkeeper deal with the bodies 04:22 Oh, thats something new... 04:29 hmmm 3 non-magical glove types... 04:30 I know gloves and gauntlets, what is the third one? 04:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:68395 (1 day, 13:09:08) 04:30 dark elven? 04:31 Would be nice if K2 would let me burn the zombie bodies with torches and fire spells or heal them by dipping a unicorn horn into their blood 04:33 do the ips change for the servers? 04:33 any of the oldies here might know :) 04:33 or I will ask again when k2 shows up 04:42 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:46 lol, dragonhide boots that turn out to be levitation 04:46 "Except you are already flying..." 04:51 Lava as well 04:58 "a silver slippery shield" damn I can't use silver 05:00 ah shit I thought a green slime would ignite when hit a fire weapon 05:02 fortunately throwing the weapon to the ceiling cured me 05:06 demons supposed to be fiery beings... them being slimed feels wierd 05:07 Can lava demons too be slimed? 05:08 nothing is slime-resistant I think? 05:08 hello dragonhide hat 05:12 maybe red dragon scales should also give sliming-resistance 05:13 but then again if the red-dragons themselves are not... 05:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:70364 (1 day, 14:03:34) 05:31 oh k3ut0i I was wrong: "Sliming will instantly turn most monsters, including pets, into a green slime, except for fiery monsters." 05:32 now to find out what counts as "fiery monster"... 05:34 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:35 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:41 The human soldier picks up a cockatrice corpse. 05:42 yeah nice try, I'm outta here 05:45 only insta kills that dragon scales can't protect now are sliming and beheading, sickness and stoning are in. if red dragon -> sliming that will take care of another one. 05:46 ^ YANI 05:47 if there is a hydra dragon, we could even take care of beheading 05:49 at the moment only salamander, fire vortex and fire elemental are immune to sliming 05:50 I agree it would be logical to add red dragon (and red dragon scales) 05:50 yeah, since the burn passively, they should 05:50 lava demons too 05:51 Oh, lava demons don't passive burn... 05:51 For some reason I thought they do... may be I just assumed due to the name... 07:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:23 mobileuser: Anything with a fire attack counts as fiery 07:23 @e?lava demon 07:23 lava demon (&) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 40 | Gen: special | AC: -8 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 bite physical, 2d6 bite fire | Align: -7 | poisonous, nopoly, stalker, silverhate, infravis 07:24 they have a fire attack, so they're not slimable 07:25 I don't see any definition of "fiery" anywhere 07:28 Noisytoot eg https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/78f59d20468bff1eee357436d5e2ba72184dfba3/src/eat.c#L490 07:28 monsters are explicily listed, I don't see a reference to "fiery" 07:29 grep for slimeproof 07:30 #define slimeproof(ptr) \ 07:30 ((ptr) == &mons[PM_GREEN_SLIME] || flaming(ptr) || noncorporeal(ptr)) 07:30 ah &mons[PM_GREEN_SLIME] || flaming(ptr) || noncorporeal(ptr)) 07:30 #define flaming(ptr) \ 07:30 ((ptr) == &mons[PM_FIRE_VORTEX] || (ptr) == &mons[PM_FLAMING_SPHERE] \ 07:30 || (ptr) == &mons[PM_FIRE_ELEMENTAL] || (ptr) == &mons[PM_SALAMANDER]) 07:30 yeah 07:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3940 (1:05:28) 07:31 Lava demons should probably be added to that list. It's unchanged from vanilla. 07:34 so not everything with a fire attack counts as fiery at the moment 07:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:45 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:73822 (1 day, 16:40:16) 08:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided black dragons, on T:74516 (1 day, 16:50:53) 08:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:16547 (4:39:54) 08:19 geez man orc shopkeepers turn on you when you wield sting anywhere on the level, even totally out of their sight 08:19 yeah, it's same with all bane-type weapons/armor 08:19 * the same 08:21 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:21 -!- krm26_ is now known as krm26 08:23 [backscroll] lava demon being fiery would make sense 08:24 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:24 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:24 surprised they aren't already 08:25 and red dragon 08:25 lava demons came with the convict patch, just copied it over as-is 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7455 (1:59:20) 08:25 red dragons arent fiery, they just breathe fire 08:25 they have fiery hides don't they 08:25 fiery means they are actually enveloped in flame or are made from it (like a fire emelemtal) 08:26 elemental 08:26 wow 08:26 i cnt typ 08:26 does that mean they can be slimed? 08:26 yeah 08:26 red dragons should definitely be slimeable 08:26 cuz that doesn't really make sense, if their scales are hot enough to hurt ya 08:26 would just melt the slime 08:26 what would be cool is if a monster that had a fire attack like a red dragon breathed fire on themselves 08:26 to cure slime? yeah 08:27 if it has a fire passive attack it ought to be firey 08:28 no 08:28 <@K2> fiery means they are actually enveloped in flame or are made from it 08:28 oh says who 08:28 devteam obviously 08:28 <@K2> 08:28 me 08:28 the folks who made dungeons and dragons 08:28 but it makes perfect inarguable sense 08:28 just because the only devteam monsters that are fiery are made of flame doesn't mean all fiery monsters need to be made of flame 08:29 muy picante monsters just taste like they are made of flame 08:29 I imagine dragons to be a kind of elemental life form 08:30 balrogs should be fiery actually 08:30 peter jackson over here 08:30 chinese interpretation of dragons 08:31 from the wiki 'Balrogs are tall and menacing, and can shroud themselves in fire, darkness and shadow' 08:31 key word can shroud 08:31 not made of 08:32 is a lava demon made of fire? 08:32 lava 08:32 which is on fire 08:32 fiery fire 08:32 hmmm yeah I googled the pictures :-) 08:33 no way you can slime that 08:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:36 -!- log has joined #evilhack 08:36 -!- log is now known as Loggers_VIII 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:7868 (2:11:10) 08:45 lol, I wonder why floating eyes are flagged as amphibious if they can’t enter water 08:45 why do I pick up gems, I'm killing all shopkeepers anyway... 08:46 cuz they're shiny 08:46 heh 08:46 :P 08:47 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:49 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/40601e2884e7...dd0610d4591a 08:49 [EvilHack] k21971 dd0610d - Include more monsters as 'flaming'. 08:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Croesus, on T:36648 (19:36:43) 08:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:56 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 609 points, T:463, killed by the Goblin King 08:56 -!- log has joined #evilhack 08:56 -!- log has left #evilhack 08:56 woops 09:01 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:10 Man, dragons can eat anything. It even digested clay golem :) not even a single rock left behind 09:12 Wow ate stone golem too.. 09:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:624 (0:16:05) 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:795 (0:17:19) 09:19 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1329 (0:22:45) 09:22 oh, the original gtown still has a general store, cool 09:22 they can't eat immaterial stuff like shades 09:24 I think they can't eat wraiths in 3.7 either 09:24 might be making that up 09:24 makes no sense, wraiths are made of meat in nethack 09:24 (not that THAT makes sense but whatev) 09:25 is this 'EvilHack The Kirby Edition' release? 09:25 they're not made of meat, they just drop a corpse 09:25 for some reason 09:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10417 (2:59:51) 09:26 k2 is it intentional that hobbits always steal the one ring? 09:26 *leprechauns 09:26 they break vegetarian conduct for monks 09:26 check and mate 09:27 Loggers is invis gold in your game? 09:27 no 09:27 this happened in my last game too 09:27 the one ring is always gold 09:27 ^ this 09:27 now that it is its own thing 09:27 btw hobbits would be funnier :-) 09:27 that's cool but it clashes with the random ring appearances being materials 09:27 the one ring is an artifact ring 09:28 not a ring of invisibility 09:28 no, it is a ring of invis 09:28 I can identify invis off of it 09:28 it's both 09:28 but an artifact can have it's own material 09:28 which is why it's weird that it's a granite ring that doesn't tell me it's also gold somehow 09:28 mobileuser: hobbits should steal your food rations 09:28 lol 09:28 what a way to die 09:28 food stolen by hobbits and starved 09:28 you should be able to befriend hobbits by sharing your food 09:28 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/dd0610d4591a...78621e6cb2dd 09:29 [EvilHack] k21971 78621e6 - Added some new rumors (true and false). 09:29 maybe could just make rings of invis always gold? 09:29 that's not the right answer 09:29 Loggers I agree it's confusing, "granite" is also a description 09:29 neither is a gold iron ring lol 09:29 yeah 09:30 it could prob use an extra look 09:30 whoever named the random rings really had it out for people who wanted to play with obejct materials 09:30 setting artifact material on an object that has a random material/appearance is a bit weird 09:30 maybe the one ring should be a random gold ring that also gets invisibility and stuff 09:30 so worst case it would be an invis ring with invis etc 09:30 that might be too powerful since you can get it literally like a minute into the game 09:30 best case it would be freedom with invis etc :-) 09:31 you can get anything a minute into the game 09:31 no 09:31 yeah? 09:31 how 09:31 teach me this magic 09:31 i've spawned in a room wtih demonbane on the floor; i've taken one step and gotten a wish from a fountain 09:32 there's a lot of things you can't get from either of those situations 09:32 ok whatever boss 09:33 anyway you can't put the one ring on the same tier as a random artifact spawn or a random wow/fountain/smoky-what-have-you because you get it every game 09:33 ^ that 09:37 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:111277 (4 days, 13:10:44) 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 stone helm of speed named Gustav: Rhymes Like Zorkmids", on T:3270 (0:48:35) 09:50 did it get changed so that the elves that spawn from sting/orcrist don't have armor/weapons? 09:51 sounds to me like they might get reverse genocided 09:51 and no weapon because of that (just speculating loudly) 09:52 I think it's different than revgeno, since last version they seemed to spawn with gear 09:53 ah 09:53 maybe it's, like... version paranoia? idk 09:53 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:53 can you trigger that multiple times btw? 09:53 only twice right? 09:53 (orcrist and sting separately) 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a copper mace entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:3701 (0:54:46) 09:53 cbus yea 09:53 (thinking about how abusable it would be) 09:55 it's not super abusable since any characters doing it super early will probably get curbstomped 09:55 I am mostly thinking about doing it for sacfesting 09:55 and there's a chance no elves show up, which can be good/bad depending on how you look at it 09:55 at most you get, like... 6 or 8 corpses I think 09:56 and you gotta get lucky for that. it's definitely a help but not really anything crazy 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a mithril dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:5275 (1:01:11) 10:00 there's also the fact they give sleep res 10:00 K2 why can I hit a ghost with uncursed +7 Fire Brand but not with uncursed +1 Secespita? 10:01 you can hit if you have +2 enchantment or better I think 10:03 ah 10:03 a bit slashem-like 10:05 no 10:05 evilhack doesnt have the enchantment restrictions like slashem 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a staff of holiness entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:7562 (1:07:03) 10:06 any enchanted weapon should be able to hit a ghost 10:06 lemme dbl check and see what I made the minimum enchantment for ghosts just in case 10:06 you were right, after release we are finding a buncha bugs :) 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:8190 (1:09:35) 10:08 oh baby 10:08 amazing early tortle gift 10:09 nothing better 10:09 love it for early healer gift, tooo 10:09 *too 10:10 makes the quest a bit easier 10:10 ah hah 10:11 ah hah? 10:11 so before, it didnt matter what enchantment your weapon was, if it wasnt silver or bone, you wouldnt be able to hit a ghost or the like 10:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon named Guy Montag", on T:8451 (1:12:52) 10:12 i made a change awhile ago, if a weapon has a +2 enchantment or better it'll land a hit, regardless of material 10:13 ah hah 10:13 shade_glare() 10:13 so just plus up Secespita a bit 10:14 ah, slashem after all ;-) 10:15 not really no 10:15 :-P 10:15 the way slash'em does it, completely different 10:15 just kidding 10:16 heh 10:16 i just wanted to explain how its done there 10:16 each monster has a special flag assigned to their template, dictates how much of an enchantment a weapon needs to be be effective and land a hit 10:16 *to be 10:17 very ad&d actually 10:17 i thought about doing something similar, but monsters cancelling your stuff is a very real thing in evilhack 10:17 so i decided against 10:17 can be pretty annoying early game 10:18 did hackem pull that behavior over? 10:18 no, thankfully 10:18 fortunately not 10:18 Yeah, actively decided again 10:18 against* 10:18 there are some early slashem monsters that require like +2 to hit 10:18 so many pink chests i cant open 10:18 in ad&d 1st edition at least, some of your higher level monsters, demons, angels, etc if your weapon wasnt at least it was basically ineffective 10:19 Lucifer cancels your demonbane! Lucifer laughs evilly... 10:20 hahaha can you imagine if gray dragons required a certain enchantment to hit 10:20 lol 10:20 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 10:23 fun fact, gray dragons in D&D are entirely different from NetHack ones 10:23 https://antifandom.com/forgottenrealms/wiki/Fang_dragon 10:24 searching gray dragon there redirects to that 10:25 yeah, our black dragons are different too 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a copper dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:11130 (1:27:18) 10:28 in a future version i'd like to add more metallic dragons 10:28 it would tie in nicely with the knight quest revamp for dark knights i have in mind 10:29 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:29 then gray dragons could be chaotic like they should be 10:29 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 10:30 oh, are the new dragonbane rules active yet? 10:30 new rules? 10:31 I thought I saw something about being able to tame dragons of your own alignment? Or am I confusing it with knights? 10:31 that's been in since 0.8.2, and yeah it's knights 10:32 ah, I was confused 10:32 yeah its a knight/dragon alignment thing 10:32 what alignment are gray dragons? 10:32 lawful 10:32 so worst case it would be an invis ring with invis etc 10:32 worst case it's an actually bad ring like polymorph/aggravate monster/hunger 10:32 if you wear dragonbane, you arent taming any dragon no matter what :) 10:33 neutral would fit them better in nethack but it doesn't really matter 10:34 could display the one ring as "gilded ring" (unless it's gold/engagement) 10:34 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:34 the ring of p'hul has the same problem 10:34 oh huh never noticed that 10:35 ring of p'hul has fixed material? 10:35 wasnt as big a deal as its artifact material isnt made of gold 10:36 mobileuser yeah, gemstone 10:36 TIL 10:37 lol, I wonder why floating eyes are flagged as amphibious if they can’t enter water 10:37 plane of water exists 10:37 he left :-) 10:38 he'll read the log 10:38 If you use a helm of opposite alignment, do cross-aligned tame dragons stay tame? 10:38 or permaconvert 10:39 good question 10:39 I dont know for sure, havent tested that 10:39 hah mobileuser "anxietyhack" is right on. i had multiple dreams about breaking conducts in my current run last night 10:40 =D 10:40 Noisytoot it would based off of whatever your alignment is at that time 10:41 so if you're a typical lawful knight and used a HoOA/perm converted to chaotic, you should then be able to tame chaotic dragons 10:41 and then 10:41 your previous tame lawful dragons may go feral. need to check 10:42 only artifacts untame pets each move 10:43 the banes, yeah 10:43 if your previous tame lawful dragon went feral, you wouldnt be able to retame it if still not lawful 10:44 that could get interesting 10:45 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:49 also baby dragons are not the same alignment as their adult counterparts. waste 2 ?taming to learn that :( 10:50 i always wondered about that 10:50 why are baby dragons all neutral? 10:51 i should prb change that so they match their adult form 10:52 maybe they thought babies don't know their nature, they could grow out of it :) 10:52 ooh babies know their nature 10:52 i've dealt with some *evil* kids in the past 10:52 hah 10:52 like, you look at this kid and you know they;re going to prison 10:55 as long as i get her out of the house first 10:58 also D&D treats alignment as hella deterministic 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:13772 (1:43:14) 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:13958 (1:45:47) 11:01 !lastgame lacca 11:01 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1695000980.evil.html 11:03 -!- Loggers_VIII has left #evilhack 11:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 11:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has left #evilhack 11:06 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 11:08 -!- hackemslashem2 has joined #evilhack 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:13975 (1:46:09) 11:11 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:13 -!- hackemslashem2 is now known as hackemslashem 11:15 !who 11:15 K2: [hdf-eu] k3ut0i [evil] :: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] Grouchy [evil] krm26 [evil] Loggers [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 11:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:54029 (17:20:19) 11:18 noisytoot what's plane of water got to do with floating eyes being amphibious? 11:19 or will they spawn in water walls there 11:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 589613 points, T:54886, killed by an invisible drow mage 11:24 !lastgame grouchy 11:24 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/evilhack/dumplog/1694541727.evil.html 11:25 ah, the classic overtaxed while altar camping 11:25 such a stupid mistake, I don't know how people ever do that :) 11:26 hah 11:27 it is kind of refreshing to see a long run end in something hitting someone until their HP is zero for once 11:27 so often see gimmicky deaths 11:29 do drow infidels worship lolth or moloch? 11:30 moloch 11:30 oh 11:30 is drow infidel getting lolth messages? 11:31 idk, I was just wondering 11:31 I don't think anyone has played drow infidel 11:31 nah its fine 11:31 You are unaligned, on a mission for Moloch 11:31 who is opposed by Eilistraee (lawful), Vhaeraun (neutral), and Lolth (chaotic). 11:32 that was a good question 11:32 I played drow infidel :-) 11:32 \o/ 11:32 I was just about to say a possible exception would be mobileuser the inf lover 11:32 i keep killing off samurai tortles 11:32 -!- bugsniper has joined #evilhack 11:33 dammit, rat king -- not gonna get that magic key either 11:33 where is the magic key in that minesend? 11:33 all i wanted was to crash the magic chest :-( 11:33 Loggers_VIII - in the treasure room 11:33 just jump on the teletraps 11:34 just as likely to feed me to the rat king i cant kill 11:34 there's a chance the rat king spawns with a ring of tele control fyi 11:34 ahhh yeah that's new right? 11:34 can't you collect the magic key at Gollum krm26? 11:34 yes new 11:34 no, no way to cross water 11:35 to ludios you go 11:35 anyway i can't teleport (i actually do have something that is probably teleport control already) 11:35 how many magic keys are there? 11:35 3 11:35 -- cursed mr 11:35 or 2 if ft ludios doesnt appear 11:36 krm26 will be able to collect the magic key at mines end if he doesnt get discouraged :) 11:36 I have the same problem, only 1 potion of levitation and I don't think that's enough to get the key 11:36 gollums cave is the quickest way to get a magic key if you have the means. mines end is the easiest way 11:37 1 potion of lev will get you there and back, but you wont be able to pick up the key :-) 11:38 I didn't spot one in the Catacombs, is there a hidden room? 11:38 I love tortles even more now 11:38 mobileuser it's buried in a random spot 11:38 should be marked with an engraving 11:38 ^ this 11:38 ah! 11:38 I saw "X" 11:38 my shambling horror is levitating, does that mean it is casting a spell? 11:39 no, it can float/fly 11:39 could be wearing boots/rings, could be intrinsic 11:39 krm26 sometimes you can find them in bones levels :-) 11:39 man, I love magic chests 11:39 \o/ 11:39 finally, somewhere to put my spellbooks 11:40 weee 11:40 yeah magic chests are awesome 11:40 also perfect that there is one in the ice queen branch 11:40 i've wanted these in evilhack for sooo long 11:40 yay terrapin 11:40 stethscope shows levitating... This must be the most annoying shambler ever 11:40 I was kinda a hater on magic chests but now I love them 11:41 the whole early game is now so much more interesting with magic chests and the new gtown variant, hats off to you k2 11:41 and terrapin :) 11:42 thanks o/ 11:42 k3ut0i is the only one to get to the hidden dungeon i think 11:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided baby black dragons, on T:80117 (1 day, 19:52:04) 11:42 yeah, speedster 11:42 i'm looking forward to how the wiz tower revamp is received 11:43 25k turns down, i predict another 50k before i get to open the magic chest 11:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:80122 (1 day, 19:52:22) 11:43 and someone needs to forge dichotomy 11:43 krm26 yeah but you are stuck in a permanent bad luck field for some reason 11:43 what god did you piss off 11:43 he's in FL 11:44 ahhh, that explains it 11:44 * K2 nods 11:44 make your daily blood offerings to Desantis, krm26! 11:44 lol 11:45 oh i forgot i had a game going already 11:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create Dichotomy, on T:80366 (1 day, 19:55:32) 11:47 oop, there it is! 11:48 I thought pets don't bite cockatrices 11:48 Loggers_VIII: It means they can spawn in the water walls there, yes 11:48 noisytoot ah, thanks 11:48 Not normally no, unless they have stoning resistance 11:48 k3ut0i did yours? 11:48 steed actively attack monsters though 11:49 well, I was riding it and 11:49 steeds* 11:49 steeds attack what you attack I think 11:49 I had stone to flesh, so it survived... :| 11:49 generally you do not ride around footrices because of that + attacks falling upon steeds 11:49 lucky 11:49 smart usage of spells tho 11:52 oh, dichotomy is runesword 11:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:55 my boots burnt away due to dichotomy fireballs :( 11:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:80552 (1 day, 20:05:33) 11:56 I thought it provided inventory fire resistance 11:56 yes i thought so too 11:57 has angelslayer been nerfed? 11:57 yes 11:57 oh that reminds me. K2, shambling horrors can generate with MR2 flags like levitation/displacement/strength, but those are usually used for individual monsters getting them via equipment, so they don't show up in the pokedex (k3ut0i noticed this yesterday) 11:59 yeah, my shambler has is both levitating and displacing, but doesn't show in stats 12:01 also it looks like dichotomy's missing from burnarmor() 12:02 ah 12:02 see what did I say? really start to find the issues after release :) 12:03 terrapin, fire brand doesnt have burnarmor() either 12:03 oh come on the magic key is SO HEAVY. 5 aum? this is ridiculous 12:03 where is my bone magic key 12:03 only fireballs, no ice? I think something got slower... 12:04 depends on what you're attacking 12:04 fire brand doesn't do inventory protection though right? 12:04 but generally its random being both 12:04 terrapin correct, it does not 12:04 that's reserved for the more powerful special artifacts 12:09 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:10 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 12:10 i mean that burnarmor should have something like if (hitting_u ? wielding_artifact(ART_DICHOTOMY) : MON_WEP(victim) && MON_WEP(victim)->oartifact == ART_DICHOTOMY) return FALSE; near the start 12:10 i have no strong opinion on whether fiery weapons should burn armor or not 12:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) destroyed Kas, on T:134616 (1 day, 3:13:11) 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 195 points, T:683, zapped herself with an iron wand 12:14 with dichotomy, i just brought over the same inventory damaging effects from fire/frost brand 12:14 makes sense to me 12:14 i dont even think angelslayer uses burnarmor() 12:14 i'm talking about the inventory *protecting* effect that's missing for flammable armor 12:15 oooh 12:15 cf. my boots burnt away due to dichotomy fireballs :( 12:15 oh gotcha 12:15 yeah that needs to be addressed 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4619 (1:34:55) 12:18 i can handle that real quick terrapin 12:18 no need to make a pr 12:18 cool 12:21 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:22 k2: does the magic chest blow up when you put magicbane or a wand of cancellation in it 12:22 no, its not a BoH 12:23 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 12:23 buttt it is magggicccc 12:24 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/78621e6cb2dd...47b5d5f76eea 12:24 [EvilHack] k21971 47b5d5f - Wielding Dichotomy will protect worn armor from being burnt. 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] bugsniper (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a steel two-handed sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:16520 (6:36:30) 12:25 ooh that'll do some damage 12:27 It should also protect potions from freezing iirc 12:27 or was that not missing 12:28 not missing 12:29 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/623612f9068f2d15b472835da29aa2e79b24732d#diff-8990911abf4b77c1409346cfa8a128c97a4024268db7a2d44b83c2ec4d175b75 12:29 burnarmor() was a case I missed 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1261 (0:08:41) 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5109 (1:48:42) 12:31 wewp 12:32 now we're cookin' with gas 12:32 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:83040 (1 day, 20:45:27) 12:37 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 12:40 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:46 Right 12:46 Dl:7 $:1582 HP:100(100) Pw:28(28) AC:-20 MC:1 TH:23 Xp:11 T:17400 15h:52m Satia 12:46 and I already have -20 ac 12:48 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3770 points, T:3589, killed by a giant beetle 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law), 10847 points, T:7203, killed by a giant mosquito 13:03 damn you gnoll cleric 13:04 i'm saving myself for a gelcube 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2062 (0:20:30) 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4460 points, T:3486, killed by a fire ant 14:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2929 points, T:2583, killed by a raven 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1333 (0:19:34) 14:27 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:17828 (5:03:58) 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:32996 (10:18:59) 14:48 that was close 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2660 (0:44:04) 14:54 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:114756 (4 days, 18:32:06) 14:59 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:114759 (4 days, 18:32:56) 15:00 go go tinklebear! 15:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a long sword entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3426 (0:56:28) 15:05 !who 15:05 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] :: [hdf-us] tinklebear [evil] k2 [evil] Grouchy [evil] krm26 [evil] dbanethacker [evil] Yeshua [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:18249 (5:42:48) 15:09 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:3232 (0:18:43) 15:12 "Aleax, riding a mountain centaur, wearing light armor, wielding a long sword" 15:12 ok that's actually pretty badass 15:13 hah, it's sunsword! 15:13 this aleax is the chosen one 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:34504 (10:44:53) 15:15 \o/ 15:15 that is pretty awesome 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Sam Trt Mal Law), 12847 points, T:8300, diseased by a drow zombie, while praying 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:16806 (2:37:46) 15:17 gave the sword to my archon, seemed fitting 15:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +2 Mjollnir", on T:18865 (5:58:23) 15:25 unfixed! 15:25 would be nice if sunsword in the hands of monsters also destroyed Z corpses 15:25 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:114917 (4 days, 18:59:09) 15:29 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:19212 (6:05:52) 15:35 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:36 my question is why wish for your first gift 15:36 atheist? 15:37 only way to get it unfixed? :-) 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5543 (1:31:33) 15:39  if they wanted a weapon should've just sprung for excal 15:39 oh neutral 15:39 well, still 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5681 (1:32:41) 15:40 Could be atheist, maybe 15:41 I don't think dbanethacker has even won evilhack, I doubt they'd go for atheist 15:41 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 15:42 hey dbanethacker, were your ears burning? 15:42 hey, my first beholder spotted with telepathy 15:42 Hello, why do you guys think that the code was written so that when your deity drops you a spellbook on an altar for you, that you also didn't get the needed skill unlocked to make use of it? 15:42 hug it 15:42 make friends 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4847 points, T:2835, killed by a tengu 15:43 Hi krm26 - um, sure, but what do you mean?  I was not pleased to get a spellbook if that's what you're referring to. 15:43 you don't need to have a skill in a spell school to use the spell (stats and level and gear depending) 15:43 nah man we were discussing your mjollnir wish 15:43 Hmmm, yeah, with a robe anything is possible. 15:43 Oh, YES 15:43 wondering if you were doing athesit 15:43 there's a saying that your ears burn when someone's talkin about you 15:43 atheIST 15:43 I sac'd SOOO many times but never got Mojo 15:43 lol pure impatience huh 15:44 it is guaranteed to be your first gift :-) 15:44 so when I got a magic wish I took advantage of it 15:44 gotcha 15:44 i do think that when you wish for a quest artifact you need to make sure to wish for it fixed 15:44 Yes, I know it's the first gift - but hey, I had no Mojo and it is nearing turn 20000 so it's time to just get it. 15:44 oh?  fixed? 15:44 what's the difference? 15:44 they are only inherently fooproof when granted for an offering 15:45 oh crap - it's not rustproof then?  I'll have to fix that. 15:45 that was my understanding -- someone can correct me if i'm mistaken 15:45 is Mojo iron or steel? 15:45 good question, assumed it was iron 15:46 No clue - I'm about to ID it for real in a sec. 15:46 I believe it's iron 15:46 and it doesn't allow me to ID it - are you sure it's not foo-proof? 15:46 huh? 15:47 i am 68% sure 15:47 ok, mjollnir is not steel, is iron 15:47 if it's been identified as mjollnir for you and it doesn't say rustproof it's not rustproof, simple as 15:48 hmmm, ok - next chance I'll rustproof it then. 15:48 yeah, it's been ID's as Mojo and it doesn't say rustproof so I'm going with the majority here and agreeing that it's not rustproof. 15:49 I can't remember the last time I had to wish for Mojo so forgive my lack of knowledge on its foo-proofedness 15:49 could always dip it in a fountain or smth to triple-check 15:50 good point 15:55 Dipped it in a smith and it came back saying it "looks reforged and as good as ever" but it's still not described as being rustproof. 15:57 forges will remove rust or corrosion but won't rustproof it 15:57 like a potion of oil 16:00 yeah - I've seen it come back blessed as well after a lucky dip 16:00 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 16:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 16:06 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7669 (2:01:13) 16:15 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:30456 (11:56:18) 16:16 hahah, accidentally ate a tengu corpse thinking it was a tin and got telecontrol 16:20 mmm infidel bones 16:20 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:35975 (11:53:06) 16:25 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:25 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Dro Fem Una), 7395 points, T:7957, killed by spear trap 16:40 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 16:41 what are some good ways for a giant to get cancellation / slowness protection? had some scary encounters on Kas level 16:41 you pretty much can't 16:41 just wear a blindfold 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 65 points, T:638, killed by a newt 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 123 points, T:297, killed by a water moccasin 16:47 hmmm 16:47 blindfold protects against cancellation?? 16:48 against cancelling/slowing gazes, which i assumed was the issue in kas with the guaranteed beholders 16:48 for wands or spells, you just gotta weather it 16:48 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 35 points, T:180, killed by a goblin 16:49 keep a wand of speed handy to get rid of slowness if necessary, and have both MR and half spell damage if possible to cut down on item cancellation 16:49 hmm yeah it's no beholders 16:49 half spell most likely from angelslayer? 16:49 or eye of vecna 16:49 i'm really chancing lol, not even have free action 16:53 Beholders use gaze attacks 16:53 you don't make eye contact, the gaze doesn't work 16:53 something else slowed me / cancelled me, maybe the wizard npc 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 164 points, T:942, killed by a dart 16:54 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 54 points, T:209, killed by a grid bug 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 73 points, T:149, killed by a fox 16:56 can lawful use the sword of kas? 16:56 -ish 16:57 the poison will cause alignment loss each time you hit with it, but if you kill stuff quickly enough you can break even 16:57 ^ 16:58 just keep an eye on your alignment record with a stethoscope and/or only use it on certain occasions 17:00 sg 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 260 points, T:860, killed by a gecko 17:00 does anyone know what's in the evilhack magic chests? 17:02 nothing 17:02 but you can put stuff in them 17:03 the reddit post in the channel topic explains them a bit 17:03 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 201 points, T:534, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 17:03 I see 17:03 Think TNNT swap chests but solo 17:04 or dnh magic chest if you've played that 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 46 points, T:271, killed by a newt 17:05 "The zruty is critically seared!" 17:05 heh 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 46 points, T:217, killed by a fox 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 30 points, T:156, killed by a grid bug 17:13 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 99 points, T:982, killed by a newt 17:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:12741 (3:11:15) 17:22 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the giant high priest of Moloch, on T:115999 (4 days, 20:55:47) 17:26 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:116012 (4 days, 21:00:29) 17:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:39 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:39 latest commits are live 17:40 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:40 !tell k3ut0i you can use dichotomy now without burning unprotected armor 17:40 k3ut0i shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 17:44 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 17:45 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Lucifer, on T:116128 (4 days, 21:19:02) 17:50 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1133 (0:06:44) 18:03 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Purgatory, on T:116296 (4 days, 21:36:34) 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:116306 (4 days, 21:38:29) 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3680 points, T:3588, killed by a wererat 18:11 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 18:12 !who 18:12 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-us] eggandhull [evil] tinklebear [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players 18:12 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3453115 points, T:116334, killed by a shadow dragon (with the Amulet) 18:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Hippocrates, on T:21644 (3:12:47) 18:17 ooof tinklebear 18:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class D), on T:22300 (3:22:56) 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:22385 (3:23:58) 18:24 "The invisible Guy Montag casts a spell at the Cyclops! He's using the touch of death! The Cyclops is killed" :) 18:25 ooh ouch tinklebear 18:25 !lastgame 18:25 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1695000980.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1688889490.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1694601472.evil.html 18:25 wow, respect for using lifestealer 18:25 especially as a human 18:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22386 (3:25:37) 18:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:22416 (3:26:26) 18:31 Umbire you around? 18:31 I have a question 18:31 Yeah 18:31 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 18:31 a couple years ago when you were overhauling the wiki entry for dragons 18:31 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32 you mentioned that baby dragons grow into their scales 18:32 <@K2> a couple years ago when you were overhauling the wiki entry for dragons 18:32 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:32 oh geez 18:32 connection probs? 18:33 mishap from trying to close another HexChat instance 18:33 it's fine 18:33 what were you gonna say 18:33 a couple years ago when you were overhauling the wiki entry for dragons. you mentioned that baby dragons grow into their scales 18:34 did you find a comment or blurb somewhere from devteam that actually states that? 18:34 Yeah, go on 18:34 or just put 2 and 2 together 18:34 Uh, not really - that was inference 18:34 yeah 18:34 gotcha 18:34 notice baby dragon form is AC 2, adult is -1, 2+2 18:35 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/47b5d5f76eea...ba4dc8fe0534 18:35 [EvilHack] k21971 ba4dc8f - Baby dragon tweaks. 18:37 tinklebear's outfit was very idiosyncratic. wearing a leather jacket! 18:39 no acid res, that definitely softened him up 18:44 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 18:51 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 18:52 with the baby dragon changes, will you still poof your weapon on baby black dragons? 18:54 No, because that's a scales passive 18:54 baby black dragons don't have scales yet 18:55 does polymorphing a dragonhide object maintain the dragonhide property 18:56 no. materials aren't preserved 18:56 kk 18:57 is there a higher chance of getting dragonhide armor if poly'd from magical armor? mainly to see if it's worth it to try to get dragonhide speed boots/helm of speed 18:58 the baby dragon changes seem to be what hackem already did (remove passives from baby dragons) 18:58 Pretty sure there isn't. You also literally can't obtain that anymore 18:59 Helms of speed are rigid again and tortles can wear them at some opportunity cost 18:59 You're better off wishing for an adamantine one or something similar 19:00 K2: what do you think about making pets not attack passive disintegrators (as hackem did this and they don't attack floating eyes and other monsters with dangerous passives)? 19:00 i didnt realize hackem removed passives from baby dragons 19:00 Noisytoot there's already ocde in place to rpevent pets attacking black dragons 19:00 and excuse my misspellings 19:00 i am all over the place today 19:00 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:01 K2: what about antimatter vortices? 19:01 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:135571 (1 day, 4:35:15) 19:02 i need to look, been a minute 19:02 no one leaves antimatter vortices un-genocided so no one knows how they work 19:03 Re: helm of speed, I don’t think you can wish for an adamantine one 19:03 I did the other day and it gave me regular old steel 19:03 genocideless players do 19:04 regular armor, you cant use adamantine as a material for wishing 19:04 if it doesnt randomly spawn that way, its not a wish option 19:04 but why nooooot 19:04 mithril or bone or stone? 19:05 stone is best, I think 19:05 Extra ac, doesn’t impede spellcasting 19:07 heavy tho 19:08 really? how much heavier 19:09 haven’t noticed that but maybe it’s because I play so much tortle 19:09 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 19:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (energy vortices), on T:17471 (4:18:05) 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1260 (0:57:25) 19:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of low boots entrusted to her by Odin, on T:24348 (8:12:01) 19:48 holy cow it took 5 zaps to cancel a black dragon 19:49 terrapin do you have a sec? 19:49 sure 19:49 working on some code to 1) adjust what mresist shamblers get and 2) report more info in the pokedex 19:49 could use a proofread 19:50 okay 19:50 https://termbin.com/ec29 19:50 pager bits appear to work fine 19:50 i'm more concerned about the rn2() values in u_init 19:51 monflag.h you'll prob want to reference 19:51 shambler->mresists |= (0x200 << rn2(10)); <--- that should purposely leave of reflection and free action 19:52 *off 19:54 so all head-hurting powers of two aside, each new line adds one of ten resistances, starting at either 0x1 or 0x200 19:54 that means the first one can go up to see_invis and the second can go up to reflection 19:55 alternatively, 0x200 = 2^9, * 2^9 = 2*18 = 2^2 * (2^4)^4 = 4 * 0x10000 = reflection 19:56 yeah i figured i might be off by one 19:56 rn2(9) instead of rn2(10) 19:56 yup 19:56 that should make things right 19:57 so this bit in shambler_init() has been wrong for awhile now hah 19:58 both regular resistas and the higher extra ones 19:58 yeah i think psychic resistance shifted things from the original implementation 19:59 si 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Quit: client quit] 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 20:01 so now if shamblers get some of these extra 'resistances' they should show in the pokedex 20:02 heh yup 20:02 spam incoming 20:02 Monster lookup for "shambling horror": 20:02 Difficulty 15, speed 17, base level 21, base AC 4, magic saving throw 0, weight 20. 20:02 Normally appears in any branch, very rare. 20:02 Resists disintegration, psionic attacks. 20:02 Leaves no corpse. 20:02 Is tiny, ungenocideable, amphibious, displaced. 20:02 Can fly, teleport, walk on water, be seen with infravision, mine. 20:02 Can see invisible. 20:02 Is not a valid polymorph form. 20:02 Attacks: 5d3 weapon sleep 20:02 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:02 nice! 20:03 Monster lookup for "shimmering dragon": 20:03 Difficulty 20, speed 9, base level 15, base AC -1, magic saving throw 20, weight 4500. 20:03 Normally appears in any branch, very rare. 20:03 Resists stun. 20:03 Provides 1500 nutrition when eaten. 20:03 Corpse conveys no intrinsics. 20:03 Is gigantic, displaced. 20:03 and blue dragons will show 'resists slow' 20:03 shadow dragons will show that they have ultravision 20:05 Mine = explodes on death naturally 20:06 "be seen with infravision" could be "infravisible" but minor nitpick 20:06 doesn't work with "can", though it is nice that it's shorter 20:09 dinner time; bbl 20:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Kewl (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had a helmet entrusted to him by Venus, on T:747 (0:04:05) 20:12 yup caught that heh 20:12 thanks 20:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Kewl (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1319 (0:11:02) 20:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3018 (1:24:10) 20:25 food time, then i'll push this commit. want to test it a bit more 20:30 -!- bugsniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 20:35 !lastgame lacca 20:35 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1695000980.evil.html 20:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:22804 (3:35:32) 20:36 thanks for the lamp, lacca 20:41 "can reflect infrared" :-) 20:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) genocided black dragons, on T:23158 (3:42:18) 20:45 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:48 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.2] 20:56 there's no real precedent for this but remove curse should be directional so I can uncurse my pets' stuff 20:59 tired of smacking them in the face with holy water? 20:59 you can cancel em and then restore em 20:59 bathe them in a magic fountain 21:00 oh I didn't know you could hit them with holy water 21:00 yeah. unfortunately they don't like it but that's life 21:00 lol I can't hit him anyway 21:01 just borrowed his wand of cancellation for a mometn 21:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:37811 (13:02:57) 21:02 ! 21:02 yeah that was gonna happen 21:03 how come 21:04 because i'm not paying attention 21:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:24909 (4:04:57) 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:25158 (4:10:24) 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:25160 (4:10:37) 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:25161 (4:10:40) 21:11 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:26 fooproofing strikes again; i have two separate stacks of silver shuriken forged from the same ingredients 21:29 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha) murdered Nicodemus, her faithful sewer rat, on T:15 (0:00:14) 21:41 lava demon was millimeters from making me lose weaponless 21:41 my finger actually touched the move key 21:42 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 241 points, T:1012, killed by a giant rat 21:45 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/ba4dc8fe0534...51f9ce1e9309 21:45 [EvilHack] k21971 51f9ce1 - Fix: shambling horror possible resistances, add more info to pokedex. 21:47 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:35115 (14:35:22) 21:48 time to go weapons monk? ;) 21:49 i'm wait for you to implement it :) 21:49 *waiting 22:01 oh man 22:01 ok :) 22:03 Noisytoot was asking earlier if pets in evilhack avoid attacking monsters like black dragons and antimatter vortices, i thought there was code in place to prevent that. turns out there isnt 22:03 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:35244 (14:51:27) 22:03 well... there will be shortly 22:03 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 stone helm of speed", on T:35245 (14:51:56) 22:03 i coulda swore it was present 22:03 oh damn terrapin, is that castle wand? 22:04 black dragons are the leading cause of death amongst the dungeon's pegasus population 22:04 Kathryn is trying to start a reintroduction program 22:04 yeah, it is 22:04 :) 22:04 nice 22:05 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide boots of jumping", on T:35247 (14:53:34) 22:05 all +3, nice 22:06 \o/ 22:06 ok i see why i was confused 22:07 there IS code in place to prevent you from using various attacks while poly'd against disintegrators 22:07 and I see antimatter v's are excluded here... 22:07 will fix that too 22:07 that seems odd; you can still attack footrices and slimes and such while poly'd right? 22:08 not that i'm complaining! :P 22:08 well yeah, but say you're poly'd into a mind flayer. the tentacle attack is suppressed 22:08 -p 22:08 oh really! that's cool 22:09 i had this vague memory that attacks were suppressed for illithid/centaur players, but if poly'd you were on your own 22:09 heh 22:11 oh, disintegration resist needs to be at least 50% to not instadie but illithids/etc will attack black dragons at any percent > 0 22:14 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 5751 points, T:8741, killed by a rope golem 22:14 good catch 22:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 22:16 are archons protected from gaze attacks 22:16 i dont think so 22:16 ughhh 22:17 one sec 22:17 I wanna do hidden dungeon but I can't because my stupid archon can't come with me or he'll get instapoofed 22:17 i feel like monster vs. monster gaze attacks should only be ~25% (it varies depending on damage type) like it is for monster vs. player 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2846 (0:35:32) 22:18 I'm wishing for another marker 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:25174 (4:11:12) 22:18 then a pet attacking a beholder isn't a one-hit kill 22:18 You can only disint-proof humanoid pets of the right size with black dragon scales, right? 22:19 no 22:19 you can feed them corpses that give the intrinsic 22:19 ah right, forgot that somehow 22:19 archons are inediate so 22:19 Loggers_VIII yeah archons arent immune to gaze attacks 22:19 archons are inediate, so I'm going to have to get SoA before I can do hidden dungeon 22:19 archones are too big to wear body armor also 22:19 *archons 22:19 which I was gonna do anyway but I wanna do the fun new stuff fiiiirst :( 22:20 hah in my test, the beholder keeps stone gazing my pet archon but the archon stone to flesh itself 22:21 hey, how come there's no downstair to votd anymore? 22:23 Has to go to the new branch instead ig 22:24 no the new branch is accessed through a portal in votd 22:24 Oh 22:24 hm 22:29 stairs werent needed 22:30 yeah but they were nice 22:33 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 1284 points, T:3538, killed by a giant bat 22:33 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 21 points, T:69, killed by a bear trap 22:41 YANI: staff of aesculapius heals wounded legs 22:44 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/51f9ce1e9309...3e2e9c0f652d 22:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:26160 (4:37:10) 22:44 [EvilHack] k21971 3e2e9c0 - Fix: pets and players poly'd and attacking disintegrators. 22:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:26173 (4:37:20) 22:44 woohoo! 22:45 I second terrapin's woohoo 22:45 oh K2 there's some bits here too https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/3e2e9c0f652d64db40287929a9188cf47940c5fc/src/dokick.c#L266 22:45 latest commits live, save/reload if you want them active 22:45 crap 22:45 i missed a spot :P 22:46 wow, two typos in the commit notes. tsk, tsk. 22:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:26275 (4:38:02) 22:47 oh cool livelog 22:47 ah nice, a special level that's mappable for once! 22:47 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4281 points, T:4299, killed by a bolt of lightning 22:47 I'm just dipping in to say hi 22:48 one misspell 22:48 then gotta get back to my ridiculously needy archon 22:48 okay fine, one misspelling and one part where a word got swapped for another one 22:49 i am having all the luck with armor enchantment today 22:49 three wishes and three scrolls and i'm the proud owner of 3 pieces of +5 armor 22:49 I have used six scrolls of enchant armor and am currently enjoying a +2 helm of speed and a +4 dragonbane :) 22:49 of course it took me 3 blessed scrolls to get my shuriken to +3 22:50 Loggers oof that's much worse 22:50 though you do have dragonbane 22:51 yeah that was nice of hermes 22:51 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/3e2e9c0f652d...5fbbc708e0be 22:52 [EvilHack] k21971 5fbbc70 - Fix: follow-up to last commit (kicking and martial arts). 22:52 ^ live 22:52 brb 22:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Tal'Gath, on T:26594 (4:46:13) 22:55 fuck it we ball or whatever 22:55 \o/ 22:55 how was the hidden dungeon 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) genocided beholders, on T:26655 (4:46:57) 22:56 I liked it a lot 22:56 with tal'gath's skittish behavior the big open area became kind of like a big arena after I cleared it out which was fun 22:56 yay 22:56 did you explore the entire map 22:57 not yet. I cleared out most of the monsters and now there's looting to do 22:57 I think tal'gath is mostly good but you should either give him more ranged attacks that aren't nullified by a blindfold, or make the one he does have more powerful 22:58 because he'll basically never use his bite 22:58 that gives me an idea 22:59 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 1783 points, T:3281, killed by a drow zombie 22:59 and it will use its bite if its cornered 22:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) genocided mind flayers, on T:26673 (4:50:20) 22:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:26673 (4:50:23) 22:59 yeah but it's very hard to corner it because it's quite fast, and there's a lot of space for it to run 23:00 i dont think this branch was supposed to be mappable 23:00 aw 23:03 okay, feeling good, imma go to bed. Once again, loved hidden dungeon; tal'gath is a fun fight and overall I just like the feel of the place. 's unique. 23:03 later! o/ 23:03 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:04 thanks loggers o/ 23:14 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:36710 (16:02:22) 23:14 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:36720 (16:02:37) 23:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 405 points, T:775, killed by the Goblin King 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:868 (0:04:49) 23:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 797 points, T:930, killed by a piranha 23:26 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) had a leather cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:37231 (16:14:43) 23:33 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4432 (0:37:39) 23:38 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Trt Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:4743 (0:42:11) 23:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2618 (0:12:18) 23:41 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 14 points, T:223, killed by a jackal 23:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:2771 (0:16:32) 23:44 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) entered the Hidden Dungeon, on T:37740 (16:32:38) 23:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2663 points, T:3374, killed by a piranha 23:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 23:49 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Dro Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:38016 (16:38:03) 23:56 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Con Dro Fem Cha), 887 points, T:1869, killed by a hobgoblin