00:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:50543 (14:50:22)
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00:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a pair of water walking boots entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:26984 (5:59:14)
00:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a shito entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:27906 (6:01:31)
00:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a pair of leather yugake entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:28866 (6:03:31)
00:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a spear entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:30068 (6:07:09)
00:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a shield of mobility entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:30762 (6:09:12)
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00:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a javelin entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:34290 (6:22:40)
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01:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:40666 (6:44:02)
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01:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a platinum amulet of reflection, on T:40963 (6:50:09)
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02:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:42967 (7:25:16)
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03:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had a shield of mobility entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:52479 (16:37:55)
04:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu) had a greased pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:53077 (16:42:29)
04:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 440762 points, T:53389, killed by Baphomet
04:12 <mobileuser> :-(
04:13 <Umbire> Ow
04:13 <k3ut0i> weredemon gated him in :(
04:13 <Umbire> !lastgame
04:13 <Hecubus> Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1694461192.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1693480678.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1694404568.evil.html
04:13 <k3ut0i> I just stashed all my potions and scolls
04:14 <Umbire> and then you pulled out nurse tin and ate it
04:14 <Umbire> but then he just beastmoded you from full HP
04:14 <Umbire> (which is less than I expected you to have at that point)
04:14 <Umbire> @e?Baphomet
04:14 <Hecubus> Baphomet (&) | Lvl: 54 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: unique | AC: -4 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw physical, 2d6 cast clerical, 8d6 butt knockback | Align: -15 | flies, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis
04:15 <Umbire> and you were at very fast too
04:15 <Umbire> that's so unfortunate
04:15 <Umbire> I'm sorry
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06:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 213 points, T:1459, killed by a gas spore's explosion
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07:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:4939 (2:44:06)
07:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5701 (2:56:35)
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07:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 545 points, T:1090, killed by a giant bat, while praying
07:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2423 (0:22:08)
08:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2550 points, T:2639, killed by a hill orc
08:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 449 points, T:870, killed by a large spider
08:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1835 (0:15:54)
08:38 <K2> hi
08:38 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
08:38 <nabru> hello
08:38 <Hecubus> Hello nabru, Welcome to #evilhack
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09:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:9745 (4:15:45)
09:14 <K2> found another case where damage type was incorrect (monster exploding)
09:14 <K2> yay fuzzer
09:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:45033 (13:27:17)
09:37 <krm26> nice monsters dont explode
09:37 <K2> NetHack: Care Bear Edition
09:38 <krm26> softhack
09:42 <krm26> waiting for someone to make the classist appalachian coal mining version nethick
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09:44 <Loggers_VIII> nethack is already classist
09:44 <Loggers_VIII> roleist, rather
09:48 <K2> running several fuzzing sessions, see what else i can pick up
09:48 <K2> caught a mon hiding under bug that's fixed in 3.7
09:53 <K2> i feel confident the explosion types issues are convered. those would pop up fairly quickly whilst fuzzing
09:53 <K2> *covered
09:58 <krm26> what is the potential bad effect from a cursed wand of create monster?
09:58 <K2> extra monsters and you're not prepared for them
09:58 <krm26> oooh nice extra monsters
09:58 <krm26> how is that cursed!
09:59 <K2> 'and you're not prepared for them'
09:59 <Umbire> well they'll probably surround you
10:00 <K2> Breakpoint 3, impossible (s=0x555555a1cdd0 "%s attacks you without knowing your location?") at pline.c:500
10:00 <K2> huh
10:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14222 (5:11:10)
10:01 <Loggers_VIII> hackem has a wand of summon horde which was a pleasant discovery
10:01 <K2> that was after 907k turns
10:07 <Umbire> That's a SLASH'EM import
10:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:46381 (14:18:40)
10:09 <qt> K2 I think that's from something calling mattacku when the location the monster thinks you're at isn't the real location, without any of the normal reasons (invis, displacement, blind monster)
10:11 <K2> yeah https://termbin.com/m6bw
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10:11 <K2> in the fuzzing session, was being attacked by a shambler but i didnt catch its attack type
10:14 <K2> i did see this fix from 3.7 - https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/39530f9228bfb101ffe470b6544669f63afb8e24
10:14 <K2> but that only covers one specific scenario
10:15 <K2> adding it tho
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10:18 <K2> i wonder if distfleeck should be called after the player is hurtled
10:19 <K2> although, i think terrapin did a commit where player location is recalc after being hurtled
10:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fireproof +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:7930 (1:32:37)
10:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a splint mail entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:15196 (5:33:03)
10:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] guiltypanacea (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1355 points, T:1849, killed by a giant cockroach
10:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a small shield entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:16090 (5:41:59)
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10:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:16590 (5:45:51)
10:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3084 (0:28:08)
10:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had a spellbook of cure sickness given to her by Hermes, on T:47021 (14:48:39)
10:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:3561 (0:31:33)
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10:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3861 (0:36:04)
10:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4157 (0:40:01)
10:50 <K2> found another zap type bug i think
10:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:17824 (6:02:17)
10:53 <K2> hmm cant recreate it
10:53 <K2> in fuzzing, my elf was zapped with a wand of sleeping, stuck in a loop with the shieldeff/sparkle animation
10:54 <K2> monster zapping wand types appears to be fine tho
10:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a pair of high boots entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:18289 (6:06:36)
10:57 <K2> ah its not that
10:57 <K2> some weird issue with tty_delay_output maybe
10:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±9] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/123f15f5ec54...bbfd275269a9
10:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 3da416f - Fix: another incorrect damage type value (mon_explodes.c)
10:58 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 1245b6a - Fix: various 'monster hiding under objects' bugs.
10:59 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 bbfd275 - Fix: mind flayer attacking without knowing your location.
10:59 <K2> ugh its not .c
10:59 <K2> hah
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11:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 9512 points, T:6742, killed by an ettin mummy
11:13 <K2> 1.6 mil turns as convict drow, heh
11:14 <K2> (forced stop)
11:15 <krm26> argh more reliable ludios just makes ludiosless games even more horrible
11:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 971 points, T:530, killed by the Goblin King
11:22 <K2> i may add the thing in unnethack, if you dont get the ludios portal in a gold vault, it pops up in medusas lair or something
11:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10691 (2:04:26)
11:30 <krm26> pro-ludios that i am, i actually think that is a bad, or at least unnecessary, approach
11:31 <krm26> the fun/benefit (mostly fun) of ludios for me is having an opportunity to try and crack it a little early
11:31 <krm26> at medusa it is just a lootbox
11:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 15008 points, T:11382, killed by a balrog
11:31 <krm26> just my 2 cents
11:31 <K2> ok
11:31 <K2> we can stay with 95% chance of portal spawning
11:31 <krm26> i'm just a whiner!
11:31 <K2> i tend to lean towards randomness
11:33 <K2> I'm working with how to have the damage type that dichotomy does (AD_FUSE) work with monster elemental vulnerabilities
11:33 <K2> so far not seeing results I would expect
11:33 <K2> https://termbin.com/hnqn
11:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a bone spear entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:46474 (7:57:06)
11:34 <K2> ^ coding types, is the logic wrong there?
11:37 <krm26> those implicit boolean casts should be fine
11:38 <K2> yeah those work for the usual suspects
11:38 <krm26> looks ok to me
11:39 <K2> maybe i just had some bad damage rolls vs this winter wolf
11:39 <K2> last 3 were good
11:40 <K2> gonna dial back the frequency the AoE blasts, its a bit much
11:40 <K2> given the damage output of this artifact
11:41 <K2> also, i think i'll make it so if the target resists/defends against the elemental type, the aoe blast wont fire. it is an intelligent artifact after all
11:42 <K2> right now it's a simple 'either/or'
11:45 <K2> oh
11:45 <krm26> if it is really intelligent you should decrease the aoe chance by 5% for each burnable/breakable potion and scroll in inventory :-)
11:45 <K2> that's already a thing
11:45 <K2> the check
11:45 <K2> aoe only fires if the target does not resists fire AND cold
11:46 <K2> lemme verify that just to make certain
11:47 <K2> nope it doesnt
11:47 <K2> alrighty then
11:49 <terrapin> while we're on the topic of dichotomy, why is it dbon = 2 * dbon + 1; if the target resists neither fire nor cold? not that at really matters; just curious
11:50 <terrapin> i did a commit for monsters getting hurtled but haven't done anything will players, btw; no idea if there are issues there or not
11:50 <K2> so it simulates both fire and cold damage
11:50 <K2> at same time
11:50 <terrapin> yeah. i'm just curious about the + 1
11:51 <K2> cuz the rest in that section has +1 :)
11:51 <K2> its not needed i know
11:51 <terrapin> ah heh i see
11:51 <terrapin> yeah the other +1s are so dividing by 2 never gives 0
11:51 <K2> yup
11:52 <terrapin> i guess you get a "baker's triple" damage; keeps the customers happy
11:53 <K2> heh :)
11:53 <K2> <terrapin> i did a commit for monsters getting hurtled but haven't done anything will players, btw; no idea if there are issues there or not <-- gotcha
11:54 <K2> should prob check that
11:54 <K2> i think i have seen the player get hurtled, and the monster gained an extra attack and still melee the player even tho they were 1-2 tiles away
11:57 <terrapin> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/7e27860c27a7d76cd344ddd06c648d6f7d03c685
11:57 * K2 nods
11:58 <terrapin> looking back, i think my change to at_hugs was unnecessary. it maybe could cause problems if a hugger was attacking a displaced version of you? i have no idea
11:58 <K2> hmm
11:58 <K2> ugh meeting in 2 min
11:58 <K2> dammit
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12:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (giant eels), on T:2751 (0:13:50)
12:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a long sword entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:23037 (7:10:15)
12:00 <terrapin> no, i don't think it would. still an unnecessary change, but not a buggy one
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12:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:4216 (0:22:17)
12:10 <krm26> whined too soon! level 19 ludios
12:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6846 points, T:4425, killed by a warg
12:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed the invisible Minion of Huhetotl, on T:23738 (7:22:35)
12:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23744 (7:22:46)
12:13 <Umbire> Same as it ever was
12:14 <k3ut0i> @e?Minion of Huhetotl
12:14 <Hecubus> Minion of Huhetotl (&) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: unique | AC: -2 | Atk: 8d4 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical, 0d0 cast spell, 2d6 claw amulet steal | Align: -14 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis
12:14 <Umbire> gj, what'd you use on 'em?
12:14 <k3ut0i> Almost killed me with an acid blast.
12:16 <k3ut0i> @?Minion of Huhetotl
12:16 <Hecubus> Minion of Huhetotl (&) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: unique | AC: -2 | Atk: 8d4 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical, 0d0 cast spell, 2d6 claw amulet steal | Align: -14 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravis, silverhate
12:17 <Umbire> same stats, just more lethal spell list
12:21 <Loggers_VIII> !whereis k3ut0i
12:21 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] k3ut0i [evil]: (Arc Hob Fem Law) T:23584 The Quest level: 20
12:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) completed her quest without incident, on T:24434 (7:43:46)
12:34 <Loggers_VIII> without incident? don't see that too often
12:34 <Loggers_VIII> goody-two-shoes :P
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12:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering a rothe corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:6866 (2:00:18)
12:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a shield of reflection entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:25479 (7:59:14)
12:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:7030 (2:05:23)
13:00 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/bbfd275269a9...4db90f5ae717
13:00 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 4db90f5 - Dichotomy tweaks.
13:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:53371 (17:13:40)
13:13 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/4db90f5ae717...47f6a3f5a2bf
13:13 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 47f6a3f - Stop handing out blank spellbooks as a prayer/sacrifice gift.
13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:7614 (2:24:50)
13:16 <krm26> wish there was a #genocides or something to track my genocided species so i didn't have to take notes
13:20 <K2> 3.7 has it
13:24 <bhaak> krm26: entering Ludios is possible as soon as you can level jump to Medusa
13:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:47523 (8:27:45)
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13:40 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/47f6a3f5a2bf...5820c21b8356
13:40 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 5820c21 - Add #genocided command.
13:40 <K2> there ya go krm26
13:41 <krm26> is it my birthday?!
13:42 <krm26> how about #oops, shows important information ive forgotten that will soon kill me, like my gloves being burnt off when i'm blind and about to stumble into a room i left footrice corpses in
13:43 <K2> oh that's in
13:43 <K2> did no one tell you?
13:43 <krm26> dammit!
13:43 <K2> :P
13:47 <krm26> i just totally spaced that i didn't have reflection and let a black dragon disintegrate my shield of mobility :-P
13:47 <K2> doh
13:48 <bhaak> that shield is now ultimately mobile
13:48 <bhaak> you are also more mobile as you aren't hindered by a shield anymore
13:49 <K2> heh there's more to the #genocided command in vanilla
13:49 <K2> Pat didnt like that you could see vanquished in-game
13:49 <K2> err extinct
13:49 <K2> s/vanquished/extinct
13:49 <K2> i think that would be useful yeah?
13:49 <K2> esp if you're going for extinctionist
13:50 <krm26> useful, but that is more than a gui improvement
13:50 <krm26> showing what you have genocided is just helping out my encroaching senility...counting nazgul is slightly more involved and i understand if that isn't part of it
13:50 <K2> well i'm not going to do add the update to #genocided
13:51 <K2> its involved
13:51 <krm26> no complaints out of me either way! i didn't realize there was vanilla code for that
13:51 <K2> yeah
13:51 <K2> i totally stole it
13:51 <krm26> well i'm still impressed with the instant response anyway :-)
13:51 <K2> on a roll :P
13:52 <K2> last night Umbire was like 'helm of telepathy should make illithid psionic attack stronger' 30 min later boom, done
13:53 <krm26> helm of telepathy, the helm equivalent of fumbling :-)
13:54 <K2> pfft
13:54 <K2> you are fake news
13:54 <krm26> i admit, helm of telepathy is better than the mitre
13:55 <K2> if playing a non-caster, that's usually my go-to helm
13:55 <krm26> argh! i abandoned the quest because of black dragons and went back to ludios and someone has just zapped up a black dragon
13:56 <K2> heh
13:56 <krm26> gotta get me some damn reflection
13:56 <K2> karma for making fun of telepathy helms
13:56 <krm26> razzafrazzinruggamuffin
13:56 <K2> all - am I forgetting anything?
13:57 <K2> i wanna fuzz some more but barring no crazy bugs, gonna release new version
13:58 <krm26> i can't even keep track, such a storm of stuff over the last few days
13:58 <K2> i dunno if i should actually make a sword of kas/lifestealer forged artifact. dichotomy is fairly powerful
13:58 <K2> review - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commits/master
13:58 <krm26> the only reason i think to use those items in a forging recipe is to gate the result until those levels are cleared
13:58 <krm26> i mean, that might be a good reason, but without it there is no point
13:59 <krm26> omigod no more blank spellbooks! you rule!
13:59 <K2> lol someone noticed
13:59 <krm26> see, this is why i whine constantly
13:59 <K2> i listen, i just sometimes have to let the ideas percolate
13:59 <krm26> although you do keep ignoring my ubershambler suggestions
14:00 <K2> regular shamblers can be bad enough
14:00 <krm26> true. but sometimes they need a little help :-)
14:00 <K2> lol
14:00 <krm26> i just like the mechanic of each-time-X-killed-gains-ability
14:00 <K2> shambling black vorpal dragon
14:01 <K2> (of excellence)
14:01 <krm26> do you remember my several lemur suggestions? i'm enamored of that too
14:01 <K2> hrm no not entirely
14:01 <krm26> there are lots of alternatives but basically given them something dependent on how many other lemurs are in sight, to make the big demon lord room interesting
14:02 <krm26> like a strength-in-numbers thing
14:02 <K2> oh how the one demon boss in xnethack is more powerful the more bovines are around?
14:02 <krm26> um, if that is true, then yes :-)
14:02 <K2> SMOP
14:02 <K2> :P
14:02 <krm26> true, a very smop
14:03 <krm26> i had initially thought about lemurs gaining 1 current & maxhp each regen tick they can see each other lemur :-)
14:04 <krm26> so as far as skill merge goes you've stuck with dagger/knife and scimitar/saber?
14:05 <krm26> ...the angelslayer change for soa is very good, because angelslayer is so great
14:05 <K2> and morning star falls under mace
14:05 <krm26> ah nice
14:05 <K2> so 3 skill merges
14:05 <krm26> can priests use morning stars?
14:05 <K2> i wanna say yes
14:06 <K2> yes they can, its a bash weapon
14:06 <krm26> i have a tiny suggestion -- have pets treat the oracle like he's N levels higher (10? 12?) to stop them aggressively poofing against him for no reason
14:06 <krm26> so if you wanna bring a big-ass dragon to die with him that is fine, but your dumbass pseudodragons will stop flying at him like bugs to a bug light
14:07 <K2> oracle already had its level bumped
14:07 <K2> its base level 12, diff 16
14:08 <krm26> figurine changes are good
14:08 <K2> yeah that should have been addressed a long time ago
14:08 <K2> i'm excited for magic chests
14:08 <krm26> the convict artifact change is great
14:09 <K2> thanks
14:09 <krm26> i don't like making the soa evaporation-proof :-)
14:10 <K2> well given its indestructable, it needed to be
14:10 <krm26> well, it could be undisintegratable without being indestructable
14:11 <krm26> and this is just my dumb opinion but while i think magic chests are really cool, that may be TOO many locations for them
14:11 <K2> we wont really know until play through
14:11 <krm26> although -- how do they work? can player always use them but not monsters? i.e. safe from thieves, dont need spell/tool? 
14:12 <K2> yup
14:12 <K2> monsters ignore furniture
14:13 <K2> spells do too
14:13 <krm26> well, that means fun things like having a gelatinous cube eat your stash or someone poly it, or a hobbit with a key open it and take the good stuff, or a giant walk over the boulder...all those EVIL things will no longer happen
14:13 <krm26> (every one of those things has happened to me, some many times :-)
14:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:6060 (0:25:08)
14:14 <krm26> so i both like it and worry that it totally trivializes loot management
14:15 <K2> well say you could lock/unlock the magic chest, and monsters could loot it
14:15 <K2> you enter the final wiz tower level, there's a chest right by the wiz
14:15 <K2> and he wakes up
14:15 <krm26> hehe
14:15 <krm26> hehehehe
14:15 <K2> *rummage*
14:16 <K2> if they were made to be interacted with (player and monster), i'd make them like crystal chests
14:16 <K2> need magic to lock/unlock
14:16 <krm26> there are lots of little minigames in nethack, and one of them is "i need to unlock stuff"...but to have the best chest in the game not need to be unlocked?
14:16 <K2> would default as locked
14:16 <krm26> yeah
14:17 <krm26> like if they each had to be knocked first
14:17 <K2> but if left unlocked, fair game to any intelligent monster
14:17 <krm26> well, we will see!
14:17 <K2> huh
14:17 <K2> hmm
14:17 <K2> HMMMM
14:17 <krm26> i will definitely try to overflow the game with 8 million items in the magic chest
14:18 <Noisytoot> Add #downboy/#getem commands (from dNetHack) to prevent pets from attacking peacefuls when you don't want them to. That would solve the Oracle problem.
14:20 <krm26> the one ring change is also pretty cool
14:20 <K2> i think gnollhack has similar things for pet management
14:20 <K2> krm26 thanks
14:20 <K2> yeah that was on my to-do actually (pet management)
14:21 <K2> i'll look into it, see how big of a chore that'll be
14:21 <krm26> i do kinda think that maybe tempest's recipe should be mjollnir/keolewa OR mjollnir/cleaver now that you've broken the one recipe limit
14:22 <Noisytoot> <K2> Pat didnt like that you could see vanquished in-game
14:22 <Noisytoot> Didn't that get added to 3.7 anyway?
14:22 <krm26> poor keolewa
14:22 <K2> Noisytoot s/vanquished/extinct
14:22 <K2> and yes but he 'fixed' that in a later commit
14:22 <K2> i just added the initial commit for #genocided to evilhack
14:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10300 (3:34:27)
14:23 <K2> krm26 - { ART_TEMPEST, ART_CLEAVER, ART_MJOLLNIR },
14:23 <K2> already a thing
14:24 <Noisytoot> How well does EvilHack handle magic chests with lots of pages of items? dNetHack takes 3 seconds to show the contents of a magic chest with 75 pages.
14:24 <krm26> no, i was suggesting adding { ART_TEMPEST, ART_MJOLLNIR, ART_KEOLEWA }
14:24 <mobileuser> K2 maybe the "genocided" info would fit nicely in #conduct?
14:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1230 (0:22:59)
14:25 <K2> mobileuser well it doesnt need to now because we have #genocided :)
14:25 <K2> and that list could get rather large potentially
14:25 <mobileuser> true
14:25 <K2> Noisytoot - unknown, I havent stress tested it
14:26 <K2> the time it takes to display the contents, one big factor would be how the fast the computer is the binary is running on
14:26 <K2> we have some rough idea of this from tnnt (swap chest)
14:27 <K2> but that now gets whittled down periodically
14:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had a staff of holiness entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:55650 (18:31:58)
14:27 <K2> code optimitization would also play a part
14:28 <K2> 3 sec for 75 pages of stuff aint bad imo
14:30 <K2> krm26 - three recipes in one go isnt a thing in evilhack forging
14:30 <K2> its always two objects
14:32 <K2> terrapin when you see this - how feasible would it be to have magic chests behave like crystal chests (lock/unlock with magic only, monster can interact with them if left unlocked)
14:32 <K2> I'll have a look myself, but i'm about to leave
14:33 <krm26> yeah no k2 i was just suggesting an alternate recipe for tempest like there are two alternates for soa
14:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Pri Gia Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5077 (0:55:30)
14:33 <krm26> sorry if i phrased it confusingly
14:35 <K2> i gotchA
14:35 <K2> a
14:35 <K2> i think just the 2 is fine, its not a super high end artifact like AoR or GoPur
14:35 <krm26> just feel bad for the artifacts left out in the cold like keolewa
14:35 <K2> oh i see
14:36 <krm26> keolewa needs to be forged into an artifact aklys!! #justiceforaklyseseses
14:36 <K2> cleaver + mjollnir OR cleaver + keolwa
14:36 <K2> oh shit lol
14:36 <krm26> (yeah)
14:36 <krm26> that was my initial suggestion
14:36 <K2> if you want to ever see a forged aklys, we need to leave keolewa alone for now
14:37 <krm26> keolewa+grimtooth -> aklys that'll taint ya
14:37 <K2> oh god
14:37 <K2> mega OP
14:37 <K2> diseased from a distance
14:37 <krm26> aKLYS aKLYS aKLYS...everybody take up the chant!
14:37 <K2> sssshhh
14:38 <K2> hey though
14:38 <K2> the hammer of the gods acts like one
14:38 <Noisytoot> Will AoR get a different forging recipe now that SoA is more expensive?
14:38 <krm26> you know i have not yet been able to play with that. hammer of the gods priest is on my list for next release
14:38 <krm26> (soa is cheaper)
14:39 <krm26> one artifact + one guaranteed drop
14:39 <K2> Noisytoot no it wont
14:39 <K2> this is by design
14:39 <Noisytoot> the artifact required to forge it are more useful
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14:39 <krm26> that depends
14:39 <krm26> if you are rocking purity the hand is surplus
14:40 <krm26> likewise the eye can sometimes be total surplus
14:40 <krm26> i like that other game parameters can now help determine whether or not soa (or retribution) is really worth doing
14:41 <krm26> instead of soa being always "yes please"
14:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:10954 (0:53:16)
14:45 <K2> ok i gotta run, back in a few hrs
14:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 31882 points, T:13775, killed by an air elemental
14:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:53288 (9:05:28)
15:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:53976 (9:09:35)
15:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a mithril helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:54605 (9:11:50)
15:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:27999 (9:09:39)
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15:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:55030 (9:14:23)
15:07 <dingotron> what's the thing that helps a convict going down stairs stop dropping the ball on themselves? is it xp level, luck, or skill slot for flail or something else?
15:11 <k3ut0i> wielding it reduces damage, but i don't think anything stops it completely
15:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2089 points, T:2010, killed by an ogre
15:15 <dingotron> I think either skill or exp must affect it. I just got to basic in flail and xl4 at about the same time, now I can go up and down stairs reliably.
15:16 <dingotron> at the start of every convict game though, every decent pretty much takes damage, even when wielding
15:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:10938 (3:54:30)
15:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 828 points, T:1551, killed by a stone orcish dagger
15:20 <dingotron> doh. accidentally stepped into a store before I found anything to hide my shirt. I believe the shopkeep will always remember now that I am a convict, even if I lose or hide the shirt later?
15:21 <k3ut0i> yes
15:22 <jonadab> Noisytoot: Did I ever get around to making katana and tsurugi use the same skill?
15:22 <jonadab> They're both single-edged blades...
15:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5291 (1:02:23)
15:23 <dingotron> Welp I guess I'll have to revist the shop with some 'friends' next time to persuade the shopkeep otherwise
15:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1507 points, T:1584, killed by a gnome lady
15:27 <dingotron> My dwarven convict also seems to be able to identify magical objects "a magical ring, a magical wand" is that new behavior? or do rings and wands always get called magical?
15:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 624 points, T:730, poisoned by a dart
15:30 <jonadab> Spoiled players can usually infer magicality based on the item description, because basically all random-description items are magical in some way.
15:30 <jonadab> Unless the wand of nothing is non-magical?
15:30 <k3ut0i> did you read scroll of magic detection?
15:30 <dingotron> oh
15:30 <dingotron> yes
15:30 <jonadab> Ah, interesting.
15:30 <jonadab> Shades of Brogue.
15:30 <dingotron> I was reading some random scrolls
15:31 <k3ut0i> if the scrolls is blessed it will completely identify the any magical item on the level, including inventory
15:31 <dingotron> in a bit of a tricky spot with a wererat that had me down to 1hp. we survived tho!
15:31 <k3ut0i> jonadab: yes wand of nothing, !fruit, booze etc non magical
15:32 <jonadab> Ah, ok.
15:32 <dingotron> ah got it! I hadn't used those scrolls much in the past, esp when playing wizard as my main
15:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 grayswandir", on T:5372 (1:11:31)
15:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:29135 (9:38:19)
15:34 <dingotron> and forgot that I had panic read a bunch of scrolls and potions. Trapped in a corder by a wererat near death, first random unidentified potion turned out to be blessed gain ability (lol nice one!). and then magic detection and the last random scroll I read after that (with 1hp left by now) turned out to be blessed teleport. which saved my life.
15:35 <dingotron> ofc zapping the were rat with an unidentified wand of speed monster that I just picked up didn't help at first either lol
15:35 <k3ut0i> :) lol
15:36 <k3ut0i> I once zapped poly/ and made gnome lord into Master lich
15:36 <dingotron> haha
15:36 <dingotron> oh the poor bones file for that one
15:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:29212 (9:41:55)
15:39 <dingotron> But now we just found a pair of dwarven boots (first bit of armor), an uncursed dagger (a ranged weapon!), and a slippery cloak (handy for hiding shirt from now on, and just in case we run into any kraken on dlv4). so things are looking up for this convict
15:39 <dingotron> (I started a new convict game today by accident today, so we're just going with it)
15:40 <k3ut0i> Which race?
15:41 <krm26> the time to convict is after the next release, when the artifact becomes a shirt :-)
15:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:56798 (19:46:45)
15:42 <k3ut0i> Druid is not in the next release right?
15:45 <krm26> nope
15:45 <dingotron> ooh special shirt?
15:46 <dingotron> I don't feel too bad tho, life expectancy of a convict character is such that I'm sure I'll get a chance to try it in the next release as well :)
15:46 <krm26> this release changes the convict quest item to a striped shirt, changes sword of annihilation recipe to angelslayer + vecna, puts in a new weapon for frost + fire, and sticks in magic chests
15:47 <krm26> there are some other tweaks like merging dagger+knife skill, a bunch of bug fixes -- k2 has been very busy, and terrapin contributed a bunch of fixes
15:50 <dingotron> sounds great
15:50 <Noisytoot> jonadab: I'm not sure, but I don't remember seeing it in the changelog
15:50 <dingotron> oh, I have sickness resistance but should I be concerned about "he orc zombie eats your brains!  You feel a slight illness"
15:50 <dingotron> at least I have no TermIll status message (which is usually what kills me in evilhack)
15:51 <Noisytoot> I think that means that sickness resistance blocked the sickness attack
15:51 <Noisytoot> If you didn't have sickness resistance, you would be sick
15:51 <dingotron> I am hoping so
15:53 <Umbire> That is indeed the case
15:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) destroyed Splunge the spectre, and former Chevalier, on T:29937 (10:00:28)
15:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:58495 (20:03:45)
16:01 <k3ut0i> :( I got angelslayer from bones. No skill unlock for archeologist
16:01 <krm26> you can still get the skill unlocked when you get crowned
16:02 <k3ut0i> I already got crowned
16:02 <krm26> ah
16:02 <krm26> then nevermind :-(
16:02 <k3ut0i> there is dirge too, but can't wield it with anything lawful
16:09 <dingotron> taming rock moles by chatting doesn't seem to work as a convict
16:09 <terrapin> K2, depending on the exact behavior, lockable magic chests could be quite easy
16:09 <dingotron> I mean, they are almost rats
16:10 <dingotron> You would think that taming a rock mole might have been how the convict escaped in the first place
16:10 <terrapin> if you didn't care about allowing (un)locking with MKoT and were okay with having all magic chests at once be locked/unlocked, it would probably be half a dozen lines in bhit()
16:11 <terrapin> MKoT would possibly be somewhat annoying; not sure off the top of my head
16:12 <Umbire> r = rodents, chatting has to be specifically rats
16:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Splunge's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:13535 (4:36:36)
16:12 <terrapin> i don't know how difficult having different chests be locked/unlocked would be but that doesn't seem like an important (or even desired?) feature---you could argue that all the magic chests are just one chest that teleports around or something
16:14 <terrapin> totally different option: i vaguely recall a suggestion in the etherpad at some point about magical chests that required gems to use---i think that would be pretty easy to implement in lots of possible ways
16:14 <krm26> dingotron, moles are not almost rats. they are not even rodents.
16:15 <terrapin> as for monsters interacting with them---i have no idea; i've never really looked at muse/monmove code that closely. i suspect it would be doable.
16:16 <krm26> r = rodents plus talpidae
16:17 <krm26> and mustelids i suppose
16:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of cancellation", on T:30392 (10:23:31)
16:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:111837 (1 day, 7:07:11)
16:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:60202 (20:24:24)
16:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:60732 (20:27:19)
16:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had a silver dagger entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:61062 (20:29:58)
16:30 <dingotron> terrapin what about a container (or a whole side branch) who's category of possible rewards depends on what color of gems you unlock it with? e.g. based on your class, strategy, and RNG in the game so far, you could gather some gems for a better chance at getting a certain category of resource/equipment that you are looking for. Like how sokoban
16:30 <dingotron> gives you the 3 categories of prizes to choose from.
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16:33 <dingotron> lol or you could have a container like a potion ATM-like machine. Better chance of getting a certain color of potion by putting in matching color of gem. not sure how game balanced that would be though!
16:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hob Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:30663 (10:37:39)
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16:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 4396 points, T:4645, poisoned by an orcish arrow
16:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:61544 (9:59:12)
16:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:61545 (9:59:16)
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16:55 <eggandhull> ugh, asked to return tsugiri in samurai quest. any consequences of declining and killing the leader?
16:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:15283 (5:22:17)
17:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) refused to give up The Tsurugi of Muramasa to Lord Sato, on T:61865 (10:12:24)
17:04 <krm26> eggandhull: normal penalties for angering peacefuls and committing murder
17:05 <krm26> you can just run away
17:05 <krm26> come back later when you need to uncurse the bell and have a high level pet eat him
17:05 <krm26> but you do need to be able to escape, will be instantly hostile
17:06 <krm26> with some quest leaders that is a bigger deal than others
17:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) killed Lord Sato, on T:61925 (10:14:38)
17:07 <eggandhull> damn
17:07 <eggandhull> i committed a ton of murders
17:07 <eggandhull> anything to worry about alignment records? for luck, i can throw stone
17:07 <krm26> well, you lost telepathy and any purchased protection
17:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a javelin entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:10614 (2:19:17)
17:08 <eggandhull> hmm my protection seems still there
17:08 <krm26> huh
17:08 <krm26> shows what i know
17:09 <eggandhull> killing leader = uncursed the bell, right?
17:09 <krm26> yup
17:09 <krm26> well it wasn't cursed, but it purifies it so you can use it
17:10 <krm26> for the ritual
17:10 <krm26> so you are all set
17:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1922 points, T:2732, killed by a warg
17:14 <eggandhull> You are blasted by the tsurugi named The Tsurugi of Muramasa's power!
17:14 <eggandhull> hmm is this because i angered the leader? i'm lawful
17:15 <krm26> ummmm... dunno
17:15 <krm26> might have to mollify your god
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17:26 <dingotron> anyone seen something called "archer gloves" before?
17:26 <dingotron> maybe they are good for archery?
17:30 <krm26> no, just a random type
17:30 <krm26> because dark elven gloves were added
17:30 <krm26> logger boots likewise
17:31 <dingotron> ah
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17:34 <Loggers_VIII> eggandhull coaligned artifacts can blast you if you have negative alignment record
17:35 <Loggers_VIII> er, alignment? idk the difference
17:35 <Loggers_VIII> and killing the quest monsters/guardian does anger your god but it doesn't remove protection
17:50 <dingotron> oh ffs Goblin king with a wand of sleep. YASD
17:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 4972 points, T:6032, killed by the Goblin King, while sleeping
17:51 <Loggers_VIII> rip
17:52 <dingotron> step around the corner to the goblin king. throw one dagger, ready my big ball of whacking and... the very next message I get is Would I like my possessions id'd
17:53 <Loggers_VIII> yeah the gk can spawn with wands and it's annoying
17:53 <Loggers_VIII> I've been death rayed by him on multiple occasions
17:54 <dingotron> dang it, such good rng up to that point as well
17:54 <dingotron> early game evilhack is cruel mistres
17:54 <dingotron> *mistress
17:54 <Loggers_VIII> that it is
17:57 <Loggers_VIII> early game can be a bit of a slog but mid-to-late-game is perfection as far as I'm concerned
17:57 <dingotron> There's not much sense over-preparing for the GK either, you gotta go get him before you have proof against any wand he might spot with. Lot of chance involved in that branch. Sometimes you get a store, sometines an easy hammer and anvil, sometimes a magic marker, and sometimes just a YASD!
17:57 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
17:58 <dingotron> late game doesn't happen that frequently :)
17:58 <Loggers_VIII> but it is so fun when it does
17:59 <dingotron> And you feel more invested in it, given the number of deaths you had inbetween. esp for the goofier classes like convict.
18:00 <Loggers_VIII> love convicts <3
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18:00 <dingotron> I like the early game of nethack and evilhack though. I like the aspect of creative improvisation with what you have, vs having yourself already kitted out in optimized ascension gear.
18:01 <Loggers_VIII> 's alright but I prefer when I can actually strategize
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18:02 <dingotron> evilhack does have a lot more strategy and play variation in the late game than vanilla which is great.
18:02 <xdminsy> morning :P
18:02 <dingotron> Vanilla you are kindof on rails after the castle, evilhack has more consistent problem solving and challenges the whole way through.
18:03 <Loggers_VIII> morning minsy o/
18:03 <xdminsy> hi loggers!
18:04 <xdminsy> I like to travel a lot in 3.7, but seems in evilhack there might be dangerous things :P
18:04 <Loggers_VIII> I travel also in evilhack but sometimes it gets me in trouble
18:05 <xdminsy> One qol in 3.7 is that safe_wait, I could keep pressing s repeatly, if a monster come adjacent to me it will tell me to m s.
18:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a bone javelin entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:65641 (10:46:26)
18:05 <Loggers_VIII> that is a cool change
18:05 <Loggers_VIII> I have died holding down . before
18:06 <xdminsy> Yes, sometimes pressing s 10 times is more useful than 10s, 
18:07 <xdminsy> And like stealing from shops, manually press a lot s could pause when pets pickup specific things that stop the message :P
18:07 <eggandhull> hp160, ac-29, reflection, no MR, lawful -- safe to kill Oracle? want the warning in case beholders
18:07 <Loggers_VIII> it's not okay to attack the oracle without mr
18:08 <eggandhull> hmm ok
18:08 <eggandhull> touch of death?
18:08 <Loggers_VIII> no, her passive magic misisle
18:09 <mobileuser> you need a ranged attack
18:09 <eggandhull> can wield angelslayer, and bring 20 boulders?
18:09 <Loggers_VIII> just throw boulders
18:09 <xdminsy> Can spellcasters break boulders?
18:10 <mobileuser> I guess as lawful that will be murder
18:10 <Loggers_VIII> xdminsy no
18:10 <xdminsy> Once in Vecna's Domain, I remember maybe 2 arch-lich and one alhoon, they broke 2 boudlers around me :P
18:10 <xdminsy> I'm not sure who broke them...
18:11 <mobileuser> wand of striking maybe?
18:11 <xdminsy> Oh that might be.
18:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6725 (0:58:40)
18:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Mal Law), 334746 points, T:67344, zombified by a diseased human corpse
18:13 <eggandhull> lol
18:13 <eggandhull> nvm
18:13 <Loggers_VIII> !
18:13 <Loggers_VIII> what happened there
18:13 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame
18:13 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eggandhull/evilhack/dumplog/1694402607.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1693480678.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1694546770.evil.html
18:13 <eggandhull> played too quick, applied unihorn once but didn't notice it didn't go through
18:14 <Loggers_VIII> lol
18:14 <eggandhull> yet another promising run lost to totally preventable mistakes. ok, another two week break.
18:15 <Loggers_VIII> heh
18:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13311 (3:07:05)
18:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) stole 40 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Sipaliwini's general store, on T:15912 (5:34:31)
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18:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 296 points, T:2116, killed by a kobold zombie
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18:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 5880 points, T:6148, killed by a piranha
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18:41 <K2> hi
18:41 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
18:41 <K2> I missed some good convo
18:42 <K2> [backscroll] I dont think needing gems to get into the magic chest is a good idea, that would promote searching/mining for them which can be tedious (see gnollhack and metal ore for crafting certain armor, ugh)
18:43 <K2> and what if you run out? now you cant get into your stash
18:43 <K2> i think needing gems for <access to a side branch> or some other one-off would be better
18:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:8787 (1:30:55)
18:44 <K2> i'd rather have magic chest behave like crystal chests i think. great resource to have, but you'll need a bit of effort and/or luck to use them
18:44 <K2> plus monsters being able to loot an unlocked chest is appropriate :)
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18:46 <Loggers_VIII> Tbh monsters being able to loot unlocked crystal chests makes them probably not worth using for non-spellcasters or rogues/tourists
18:47 <Loggers_VIII> The most annoying part of a stash already is relooking it after you put something in
18:47 <K2> of course
18:47 <Loggers_VIII> *relocking
18:47 <K2> but knock/wizard lock are low level spells
18:47 <K2> also gives utilitiy to wands of opening/locking
18:48 <Loggers_VIII> true, but how many melee roles do you play that have knock/wizard lock by mid game even
18:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9056 (1:35:27)
18:48 <Loggers_VIII> And by that point magic chests kind of outlive their usefulness
18:48 <K2> hardly any, because there wasnt a need/want
18:48 <K2> now there's about to be
18:49 <K2> and if you've never experienced magic chests before, you're gonna get hooked
18:49 <Loggers_VIII> mehhh
18:49 <K2> once you actually use it in game you'll be pissed playing a game that doesnt have it :)
18:49 <Loggers_VIII> maybe so, maybe so
18:49 <Loggers_VIII> time will tell
18:49 -!- K2 is now known as Time
18:50 <Time> i'm telling you, its awesome
18:50 -!- Time is now known as K2
18:50 <K2> :P
18:50 <Loggers_VIII> lol
18:51 <Noisytoot> there's a YANI for making the contents of crystal chests visible without opening it (because it's transparent)
18:51 <Loggers_VIII> I just dislike giving spellcasters yet another thing they can wave their hand at and ignore that everyone else actually has to deal with
18:52 <Noisytoot> https://nethack-yanis.github.io/yanis/2917.html
18:52 <Loggers_VIII> more of a smop probably
18:52 <K2> spellcasters with low hit points enters chat
18:52 <terrapin> i usually stick a crystal chest on the portal to kathryn's and then don't really bother to lock it
18:52 <Loggers_VIII> yeah yeah yeah spellcasters are hard for like 15 minutes and then they win
18:53 <terrapin> i think the soft HP/Pow caps should vary with role
18:53 <terrapin> and race, i guess
18:53 <Loggers_VIII> do they not already?
18:53 <Noisytoot> they do in dnethack
18:53 <terrapin> the amount gained per level does
18:53 <Loggers_VIII> Ah
18:54 <terrapin> but there's a soft cap at 300 HP and... 300? Pw for everyone, where you gain much less for each level up
18:54 <Noisytoot> there are diminishing returns for maxhp from full healing/gain level/wraiths and the limit depends on your level, con, race, and role. con changes also apply retroactively
18:54 <Loggers_VIII> give tortle a higher hp cap!
18:54 <terrapin> those all sound so sensible
18:54 <K2> ok so how bout this - magic chests can be locked/unlocked by normal means
18:54 <Loggers_VIII> Tanky bois
18:54 <K2> but they start locked
18:55 <Loggers_VIII> sure
18:55 <terrapin> can monsters unlock them?
18:55 <K2> thinking
18:55 <Noisytoot> if they can, there's a danger that a monster with a key will reach the crystal chest before you
18:55 <K2> i'm thinking, if left unlocked, its fair game
18:55 <Noisytoot> s/crystal/magic/
18:55 <K2> but maybe magic chests if locked cant be opened by monsters
18:56 <Loggers_VIII> what about just making a special key that can unlock them or smth
18:56 <K2> i was thinking that also
18:56 <Loggers_VIII> that way it’s still magic
18:56 <Loggers_VIII> Stick it in the hidden dungeon
18:56 <K2> magic chests are great (<3 terrapin) but krm26 is right, it shouldnt be an easy gimmie
18:57 <Loggers_VIII> tal’gath’s a magickey magicker he would have something like that
18:57 <Noisytoot> then you can't use them immediately and you need to transfer your stash later
18:57 <K2> but you dont reach his branch until votd
18:57 <Loggers_VIII> You could still use other magical means
18:57 <K2> huh
18:57 <K2> these are some solid ideas
18:58 <terrapin> you could stick them on the first island of gollum's. you need to brave piranhas but it's doable if you can reach below mine town
18:58 <Loggers_VIII> It doesn’t have to be the only way, I just mean it’s a way that’s a lot more convenient that you can optionally unlock later
18:58 <terrapin> s/them/the special key
18:58 <K2> Loggers_VIII yeah I follow
18:58 <K2> to unlock/lock a magic chest physically, you need <this magic special key>
18:58 <Loggers_VIII> I thought you did but damn if I’m leaving a sentence unwritten
18:58 <K2> otherwise magical means also work
18:59 <K2> terrapin yeah that could be one spot
18:59 <K2> only spot or one of x number of places
18:59 <K2> ?
18:59 <Loggers_VIII> one of x number could be fun I like randomness
18:59 <K2> ^ this
19:00 <Loggers_VIII> probably would have to eliminate tal’gath as a spot if we’re also thinking gollum though, those are super far apart ;p
19:00 <Loggers_VIII> *:p
19:00 <terrapin> emoji with a flower in their hair?
19:01 <K2> since there are magic chests available early on, at least one of the keys should be available soon as well
19:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 2900 points, T:1502, killed by eggandhull the giant zombie
19:01 <Loggers_VIII> terrapin I was feeling stylish
19:01 <K2> this magical key would be off limits to monsters correct?
19:02 <Loggers_VIII> I should hope so
19:02 <K2> or
19:02 <Loggers_VIII> well, it wouldn’t be a big deal if it wasnt
19:02 <Loggers_VIII> your fault if you let one get a hold of it
19:02 <terrapin> if only a few spawn i think it's reasonable to expect players take care of it
19:02 <K2> they dont spawn randomly, only a couple would ever come into existience
19:02 <K2> yeah
19:02 <terrapin> could be fun to have a nymph steal it
19:02 <Loggers_VIII> hah yeah
19:02 <K2> and if a monster somehow got one, well that's on the player
19:02 <terrapin> DF kind of !!fun!!
19:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 19391 points, T:10837, burned by molten lava
19:03 <Loggers_VIII> I need to play more dwarf fortress
19:03 <K2> but this way regular locking tools dont work which monsters can spawn with and use
19:03 <K2> ok yeah
19:03 <K2> this is shaping up
19:03 <Loggers_VIII> NetHack is the only silly ASCII game I have enough time for! I am a Real Gamer who plays Real Video Games!
19:03 <K2> heh
19:04 <K2> ok so locations for the magical key:
19:04 <K2> gollums cave
19:04 <K2> quest nemesis level?
19:04 <Loggers_VIII> minesend?
19:04 <K2> and yeah mines end
19:04 <Loggers_VIII> That’s a decent spread
19:05 <K2> 3 spots
19:05 <terrapin> one thought is something like: there's a key on gollum's level, either on the first island on the top left, or in the chest that's in deep water. so it's guaranteed but practically speaking you might need to go somewhere else for it
19:05 <K2> yeah
19:05 <terrapin> mostly because it sounds like a pain to randomly generate it on one of several levels
19:05 <K2> yeah i dont think randomly generating would be a good idea
19:06 <K2> it can be found in one of three spots
19:06 <K2> but you gotta work a bit to get to them
19:06 <terrapin> i don't know if there are other good floors where you can have hard/easy locations
19:06 <Loggers_VIII> what, you’re telling me it’s not as simple as saying “when game starts roll 1d3 if 2 put magic key in minesend” :)
19:06 <K2> oh hey fort knox
19:06 <K2> instead of quest
19:06 <Loggers_VIII> ah yeah
19:07 <K2> croesus can have the key
19:07 <K2> the magic chest in fort ludious is nowhere near him
19:07 <K2> a lot of stupid would have to happen for him to find it
19:07 <K2> *ludios
19:07 <Loggers_VIII> Yeah you would have to try
19:08 <K2> wait it is near him
19:08 <K2> hah
19:08 <Loggers_VIII> you silly
19:08 <K2> well it could be with the gems
19:08 <K2> we'll figure it out
19:08 <terrapin> could give it to the quest leader?
19:09 <terrapin> makes it harder to escape after angering them---they'll go for your stash
19:09 <Loggers_VIII> Eviler idea: give it to a random quest monster
19:09 <K2> huh
19:09 <Loggers_VIII> You have to play whackamole
19:09 <K2> but how do you get that key if you dont want to anger/kill your quest leader?
19:09 <Loggers_VIII> All the while incurring luck and alignment penalties
19:09 <Loggers_VIII> you can just grab the one in gollum
19:10 <terrapin> either they could give it to you if you complete the quest successfully
19:10 <K2> or mines end
19:10 <K2> ah yeah
19:10 <Loggers_VIII> mines end: buried on a random square! muahahaha
19:10 <terrapin> or it's there more as a deterrent against angering them, and you're expected to get it elsewhere
19:10 <K2> lol Loggers_VIII
19:10 <K2> pirates booty
19:10 <K2> x marks the spot
19:11 <K2> ...
19:11 <K2> yeah!
19:11 <Loggers_VIII> yeah!!!
19:11 <K2> ok ok... 1) gollums cave 2) mines end, buried in a random spot (x marks the spot hah) 3) quest leader
19:12 <K2> sound good?
19:12 <Loggers_VIII> sounds good
19:12 <terrapin> yup
19:12 <K2> alrighty
19:12 <K2> plan in place
19:12 <Loggers_VIII> *hacker voice* here’s what’s gonna happen
19:13 <K2> the rule will be: to physically lock/unlock a magic chest, you need the special key. magical means (spells/wands) also work
19:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 127 points, T:548, killed by a small mimic
19:13 <K2> monsters can loot an unlocked chest, or they can unlock/loot it if they get a magical key in their possesion
19:14 <K2> magic chests will always be locked when spawned
19:14 <terrapin> should be gemstone key---people will think it's a marker only to have their hopes crushed
19:14 <K2> love it
19:14 <K2> that also makes it fooproof
19:14 <Loggers_VIII> ship it
19:15 <K2> \o/
19:15 <Loggers_VIII> this concludes spitballing session #837
19:15 <K2> should the MKoT also work?
19:15 <Loggers_VIII> yeah it’s magic
19:15 <Loggers_VIII> pyec too. But pyec is a lot worse since you can’t lock with it
19:16 <K2> hmm no PYEC
19:16 <K2> simple card wont do
19:16 <K2> hmm
19:16 <terrapin> but it's a *magic* credit card
19:16 <Loggers_VIII> It’s not simple, it’s platinum!
19:16 <K2> true
19:16 <K2> ok ship it
19:16 <Loggers_VIII> \o/
19:17 <Loggers_VIII> Spitballing session #837B adjourned- Brendan will post the minutes shortly
19:17 <K2> terrapin you want the reins on this one? or do you want me to do it?
19:18 <K2> if you handle this one, i'll focus on pet management
19:18 <terrapin> i'm a bit busy this week. i'd be happy to give it a shot on the weekend
19:18 <K2> gotcha
19:19 <K2> i wanted to release before this weekend hah :P
19:19 <terrapin> ah
19:19 <K2> i'll give it a go, if i get stuck i'll ask for help
19:19 <terrapin> works for me. good luck!
19:19 <K2> \o/
19:20 <K2> and then qt comes in 10 min later with magic code he whipped up in his sleep
19:20 <K2> 'here you go'
19:20 <K2> free of bugs
19:20 <terrapin> when qt sleeps, the bedbugs don't dare bite
19:22 <Loggers_VIII> sounds like a folk tale
19:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1636 (0:11:01)
19:24 <Loggers_VIII> I wonder, will people centuries from now speak of the likes of Pat Rankin like Paul Bunyan
19:25 <Loggers_VIII> well, everyone’ll be dead. But if they weren’t :$
19:25 <Loggers_VIII> *:)
19:25 <K2> heh
19:25 <K2> making the key, first step
19:26 <terrapin> Loggers, emoji fashion icon
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19:31 <K2> p - an uncursed magic key (5 aum).
19:31 <K2> or if unidentified - p - a magical ornate key (5 aum).
19:32 <K2> (magical if a wizard)
19:32 <K2> otherwise just an ornate key
19:33 <Noisytoot> will it be able to unlock crystal chests?
19:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2199 points, T:2747, killed by a steel crossbow bolt
19:35 <K2> perhaps
19:35 <K2> one thing at a time
19:35 <K2> but will keep that idea on the backburner
19:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:694 (0:03:21)
19:38 <Noisytoot> giving the QL a magic key means that you should just move your stash before talking to them and then move it back after they are dealt with
19:39 <K2> terrapin, I need to manipulate the hidden chest for things like normal state is locked or unlocked, etc correct?
19:40 <terrapin> yes. unless you want each magic chest furniture to lock separately, in which case i don't know how you'd do it
19:40 <K2> shouldnt be a need
19:41 <K2> if you leave the magic chest unlocked at point A, monsters cant do anything with it at the other points until you enter that level
19:41 <terrapin> yeah
19:41 <K2> if you forgot to lock it, that's on you
19:41 <terrapin> it would be more a flavor thing than mechanically impactful
19:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1301 (0:07:45)
19:42 <K2> Noisytoot has a point about the QL
19:42 <terrapin> yeah
19:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1592 (0:09:01)
19:43 <terrapin> i was excited at the possibility of making it hard to anger the quest leader and only come back when you're ascension ready, but it might not be a good solution
19:44 <terrapin> bbl
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19:45 <K2> or, the QL doesnt have it physcially on their person, it magically spawns in your inventory on completing the quest
19:45 <K2> or, just have the quest nemesis have it
19:45 <K2> or no quest locale at all, go back to ludios
19:46 <K2> can worry about that later, need to get functionality hashed out first
19:47 <Noisytoot> where is the ludios chest?
19:47 <Noisytoot> different variants use different locations for that one
19:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6883 (1:09:34)
19:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 2418 points, T:6883, killed by a death ray
19:48 <K2> next to the throne
19:48 <K2> letting croesus have it in his possession wont be good
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:2257 (0:14:30)
19:50 <K2> hmm setting the hidden chest as locked doesnt work (mkobj.c)
19:50 <Noisytoot> That's where dNetHack puts it. DynaHack puts it in the room in the top left corner.
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19:51 <Noisytoot> ( in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tung/DynaHack/unnethack/libnitrohack/dat/knox.des
19:51 <K2> wishing for a hidden chest, its locked
19:51 <K2> Noisytoot yup
19:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 120 points, T:646, killed by a boiling potion
19:51 <K2> i'm happy with current magic chest placement
19:52 <Noisytoot> if it was moved to the dynahack location, croesus could be given a key
19:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a small shield entrusted to her by Odin, on T:2788 (0:17:56)
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19:54 <K2> ok got the magic chest being locked bit figured out
19:55 <K2> initialize its state in allmain.c
19:55 <K2> init_mchest()
19:55 <K2> Noisytoot - 3rd location will require more thought
19:56 <K2> mines end and gollums cave are good
19:56 <K2> i dont want to move the magic chests current positions
19:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3161 (0:22:11)
19:58 <K2> ok so now to flag magic chests as pickable
20:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a steel dagger entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3642 (0:26:45)
20:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1801 (0:12:31)
20:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4433 (0:33:05)
20:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:4739 (0:36:05)
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20:38 <bouquet> is this like the sapient pearwood chest or like the one where you can stash stuff in one location and retrieve it in another?
20:38 <terrapin> initial tests did, in fact, have a chest named Luggage
20:39 <terrapin> but it's the latter kind of magic chest
20:40 <bouquet> kewl
20:41 <bouquet> love that sapient pearwood chest!
20:41 <bouquet> I know I'm late to the chest chat, but... why?
20:43 <terrapin> in what sense? why chests? why locks?
20:44 <krm26> k2, i missed a lot of this discussion, but you were talking about a magic chest key linked to the quest leader? could just make #invoke the bell of opening serve as the chest key
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20:48 <K2> i'm having trouble getting the gam,e to recognize the magic chest as a pickable object
20:50 <K2> i've tried Is_box(mchest) and mchest->otyp == HIDDEN_CHEST
20:50 <K2> no joy
20:50 <K2> i feel i'm missing an obvious thing
20:52 <terrapin> where is pickable defined?
20:53 <K2> if count is > 0 then it's pickable i think
20:53 <K2> in pick_lock()
20:53 <K2> lock.c
20:53 <terrapin> ah
20:53 <terrapin> there a couple difficulties
20:54 <K2> magic chest isnt a level object is it :)
20:54 <terrapin> when autounlocking, mchest->ox=mchest->oy=0, which flags it as not existing
20:55 <K2> well even not autounlocking
20:55 <K2> manually trying to unlock it doesnt work
20:55 <K2> 'There doesn't seem to be any sort of pickable lock here.'
20:55 <terrapin> for other unlocking, you're exactly right; you need to check IS_MAGIC_CHEST(levl[x][y].typ)
20:55 <terrapin> possibly IS_MCHEST, i can't remember
20:55 <K2> you were right
21:03 <K2> woo this is hard :)
21:08 <terrapin> yeah; probably it would have been better to define the chest as an immovable object if i'd planned from the start to allow locking. likely past the point of no return now though
21:08 <K2> yup
21:08 <K2> that's ok
21:08 <K2> we'll figure it out
21:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:7189 (0:56:31)
21:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:7465 (0:59:21)
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21:26 <K2> There is a locked magic chest (5000 aum) here; unlock it? [ynq] (q) y
21:26 <K2> progress
21:28 <K2> i can unlock then lock it
21:28 <terrapin> where's the 5000 from?
21:29 <K2> i have show weight enabled in my cfg
21:29 <terrapin> aha
21:30 <Noisytoot> how do they have a weight if they're not an object?
21:30 <terrapin> there's a global "magic chest" object
21:33 <terrapin> it was a kludge i did to avoid having to mess with the looting code and wand-item or monster-item interactions. not so helpful now that locking is being implemented though :/
21:38 <K2> we'd have to add a special case for wands/spells that lock/unlock too
21:38 <K2> oof
21:38 <K2> maybe it'd be better to redo it? I hate saying that but...
21:39 <K2> what are your thoughts terrapin
21:41 <K2> i have it in a state right now, you can lock/unlock them with a magic key (it'll reject anything else physical)
21:41 <K2> maybe adding cases for wand/spell wont be that difficult
21:42 <terrapin> yeah bhit already has cases for other terrain
21:43 <terrapin> it should be the simplest part (and i just jinxed it...)
21:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 8704 points, T:11729, killed by an air elemental, while jumping around
21:50 <K2> man
21:54 <K2> bhit doesnt look like it concerns itself with containers
21:54 <K2> just things like doors and drawbridges, etc
21:57 <terrapin> bhito handles containers (https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/5820c21b8356aa4149d52095bba0f95b60bb4812/src/zap.c#L2347), but i imagine bhit is a better place for magic chest furniture. very similar code though
21:58 <terrapin> if (IS_MAGIC_CHEST(bhit.x, bhit.y)) boxlock(obj, mchest); or somesuch, i'd think
22:00 <terrapin> s/bhit./bhitpos./
22:00 <K2> this is what I have so far - https://termbin.com/ml2i
22:01 <bouquet> @e?lolth
22:01 <Hecubus> Lolth (&) | Lvl: 67 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: unique | AC: -10 | Atk: 3d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 bite paralyze, 0d0 touch webs, 4d6 cast clerical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: -15 | seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis
22:01 <K2> ^ adds magic key, adds cases for magic key so it can be used as a (un)locking tool, and a hack to allow a magic chest to be locked/unlocked
22:01 <K2> that last bit could probably be coded better
22:02 <K2> just tossed that in there to see if i could get it to work
22:02 <K2> this is getting beyond my ability a bit
22:02 <bouquet> is there a way to regain my lost hp from whatever was draining them?
22:03 <K2> bouquet - like drinking a potion of restore ability? no
22:03 <K2> you mean max hp?
22:04 <bouquet> ya
22:04 <K2> terrapin - you have a better handle on your creation, i'm getting a bit lost here
22:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 130 points, T:966, killed by Mr. Angmagssalik; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
22:04 <K2> bouquet yeah if you lose max hp, you gain it back by drinking potions of healing, nurse dancing, etc
22:05 <bouquet> gah, thanks. I figured
22:05 <K2> terrapin - should we just leave well enough alone?
22:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 38807 points, T:8205, killed by a boiling potion
22:05 <K2> or do you think its worth the effort?
22:06 <terrapin> i think it's doable
22:06 <K2> ok
22:06 <terrapin> my evaluation of my week was very much colored by how swamped i felt today in particular
22:06 <K2> i understand
22:06 <terrapin> i should have some time tomorrow if you want me to poke around with the code
22:06 <K2> please
22:07 <terrapin> and your work has made the problem seem much more manageable :)
22:07 <K2> i'm gonna step away for tonight, brain hurts
22:07 <K2> terrapin thanks, i hope i'm able to help heh
22:07 <terrapin> sure thing! (to both)
22:08 <K2> i'll still be on for a bit tonight, but no more coding :)
22:21 <bouquet> even at -59AC orcus drained 80HP off my max. How would anyone be able to go hand to hand with him?
22:22 <K2> there are ways
22:22 <terrapin> wear GoPur or be a demon. those are the only times i'd be comfortable with hand-to-hand
22:22 <K2> paralyze him
22:30 <bouquet> I did, he still got a hit off and drained a huge chunk of hp
22:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2568 (0:28:44)
22:33 <K2> yup, risky
22:41 <bouquet> I'm going to get naked and dance with nurses as K2 suggested. If my wife asks any questions I'll have her talk to you.
22:41 <K2> i'll show her the ttyrec
22:42 <bouquet> kinky
22:48 <Noisytoot> @e?orcus
22:48 <Hecubus> Orcus (&) | Lvl: 66 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 85 | Gen: unique | AC: -6 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical, 3d4 claw wither, 6d6 cast spell, 2d4 sting drain str | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis
22:48 <Noisytoot> is it the weapon that does the maxhp drain?
22:48 <terrapin> yeah
22:49 <bouquet> oh hey... I have sunsword and demonbane. I should forge hammer of the gods!
22:49 <terrapin> !whereis bouquet
22:49 <Hecubus> terrapin: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil]: (Rog Dro Fem Cha) T:114413 The Dungeons of Doom level: 20
22:49 <bouquet> my shadow dragon scales should override the light according to the wiki.
22:50 <terrapin> last chance for it to be useful on a chaotic drow! go for it!
22:50 <terrapin> yeah---the light when it ignites still hurts you, i think, but there's no ongoing effect
22:51 <bouquet> oh, but I can get skilled in mace, but only basic in hammer
22:52 <bouquet> maybe I'll hold onto demonbane and forge it on the way back up if I survive that long
22:53 <terrapin> :( don't be so sensible!
22:54 <bouquet> the way my hp drained with orcus I had to abandon my whole reason for trying to play drow rogue these last 3 months. 
22:54 <terrapin> stealing the wand?
22:55 <bouquet> I wanted to steal his weapon, but his one hit took off too much HP
22:55 <bouquet> even with him paralyzed I didn't want to risk it.
22:55 <terrapin> darn
22:55 <bouquet> will anything else pick it up?
22:55 <bouquet> maybe a gel cube?
22:56 <terrapin> i think other demons might?
22:56 <bouquet> can I pickpocket a gel cube?
22:56 <terrapin> yes, i think
22:56 <bouquet> well, I stashed it under a boulder for now.
22:56 <terrapin> but you immediately drop the wand
22:56 <bouquet> oh, there's a gel cube nearby. Lemme test
22:56 <bouquet> oh? I thought we could hold it in inventory just couldn't pick it up.
22:57 <bouquet> cool, we can pickpocket gelcubes.
22:57 <terrapin> if you managed to get it in inventory, then you'd be fine if you didn't touch it. but stealing counts as touching
22:58 <terrapin> same rules as any cross-aligned quest artifact
22:59 <bouquet> oh well
22:59 <bouquet> this gelcube won't move across this tile with a pile of junk. What are they afraid of?
23:01 <bouquet> oh, there's a web there
23:02 <bouquet> "ROOMBA eats a leather armor!  ROOMBA eats a leather armor!"
23:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:114979 (1 day, 8:22:53)
23:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1760 points, T:2334, killed by a little dog
23:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 6320 points, T:7719, killed by a piranha
23:37 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/5820c21b8356...98887629c6ce
23:37 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 9888762 - Fix: Drow shouldn't be able to handle artifacts that give off light.
23:37 <K2> i lied, I did more code stuff
23:38 <K2> now i'm going to bed, gnite o/
23:38 <terrapin> 'night k2
23:40 <Noisytoot> does that prevent just wielding or picking up?
23:40 <terrapin> looks like no pickup
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23:43 <terrapin> i wonder if it should be handled in retouch_object like a bane---it doesn't light unless wielded, after all
23:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] hasselhoff (Kni Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:10969 (8:55:10)
23:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) murdered Nicodemus, her faithful sewer rat, on T:209 (0:06:30)
23:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3171 (0:22:58)