00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 118 points, T:429, killed by a water moccasin 00:06 giants gain more strength than most races from gain ability/spinach 00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Dirge gifted to him by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:243 (0:05:31) 00:06 but usually i just tin all the giants i find, eat a couple dozen all at once, and toss a few gems to unicorns 00:07 they already have aggravate monster so there are no long-term consequences 00:13 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 00:17 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:20 Whew. I got intrinsic magic breathing. 00:20 nice 00:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 687 points, T:2118, killed by the Goblin King 00:31 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 00:39 Okay, Asmodeus is up next. 00:50 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:54 Does GoPur make demon lords/princes mad and ineligible to bribe? 00:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a long sword entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3916 (0:25:22) 00:57 terrapin: thanks 01:02 Ah, who am I kidding. Peace was never an option. 01:05 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:14 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 01:19 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:34 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 01:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:7977 (1:05:25) 01:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a spear entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:9325 (1:11:23) 01:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a silver helm of speed entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:9894 (1:19:22) 01:51 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:11674 (1:31:39) 02:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:11914 (1:36:30) 02:07 -!- alivernine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:12653 (1:40:34) 02:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:13587 (1:46:03) 02:20 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 02:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Dirge gifted to him by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:14185 (1:50:46) 02:38 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16332 (2:26:32) 03:06 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:08 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:11 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:25 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 03:26 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:43 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:05 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:30496 (10:15:29) 04:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:05 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30499 (10:15:39) 04:09 -!- Umbire has 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[evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4440 (0:25:45) 08:37 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5626 (0:38:26) 08:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:29838 (6:36:02) 09:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 09:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:30953 (6:55:40) 09:05 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:14 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 09:20 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:28 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 09:34 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:37 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 09:42 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:48 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 09:53 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:37168 (13:47:49) 10:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:05 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:07 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:09 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:11 hi 10:11 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 10:11 'lo 10:11 boo, stone to flesh on a statue of a brown pudding should give me a brown pudding! i hate statue rooms, they are so useless 10:12 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:12 that's not a statue room problem, that's a "brown puddings aren't meaty" problem 10:15 they are both some of my 99 problems 10:17 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:17 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:23 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:28 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 10:32 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:33 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:36 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:39 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 10:41 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:42 this mastodon on the level 12 big room is a real pain in my tuchus 10:43 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 10:45 Tips on Lucifer? I'm rummaging through previous #evilhack logs and I'm not liking my odds. 10:45 lemme go look at your role and gear 10:45 you on eu or au? 10:45 Oh, playing on precompiled binary. Hold on lemme get my loadout rq: 10:47 just race/role/weapon is good enough 10:48 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:48 +7 SoA, 3 +5 mithril daggers of frost, +5 dragonhide jumping boots, +4 gray-scaled crystal plate mail, +0 fireproof oilskin cloak, +4 dragonhide shirt of drain res, +4 dragonhide helmet of speed, +4 Ashmar, +4 GoPur, Eye of Vecna, PYEC (human tourist) 10:48 Right, okay. Human tourist with +7 SoA 10:49 heh one of the few roles without club skill (aklys) 10:49 yeah looks good. since you can't stop his gating i'd have a couple of get out of jail tricks, but you could also luck into disintegrating him in one round 10:50 I've already gotten past the third demon lair, so what's the chance that I can bait a couple normal demons into gating princes in ahead of time? 10:50 have 2 blessed scrolls of earth for breathing room, 4+ blessed full healing, 4 potions of paralysis -- that should get you through any contingency 10:50 well, you wait with a demon until he gates a lord, then save the lord and hope the lord gates a prince... it is grueling 10:50 i wouldn't bother unless you want the kills for points/brags 10:50 what is your maxhp? 10:51 I see. I guess I need to camp for more polyfodder then. (always comes back to the polyfodder and its scarcity) 10:51 257/257 10:52 yeah that health is a lot for most things but not necessarily for lucifer :-) again, the fight can be very swingy with soa or hammer of the gods, since you can get a lucky instakill 10:52 but i'd always take some earth and full healing Just In Case 10:52 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:53 I also have 6 \oLS so I guess I also have to do an inventory audit so that I don't get Burdened carrying them in open inventory. 10:53 you could certainly roll the dice and probably kill him as you are (i am one of the more risk-averse players :-) 10:53 I've heard of people blowing him up with SoA and I've heard of people who got really unlucky. 10:53 i've one-shot lucifer with soa, and conversely i've been fighting lucifer/lolth/baphomet on round 2 10:54 you'll really appreciate a blessed scroll of earth if that happens 10:54 good luck! think about playing on hardfought next time so we can all appreciate your hard work :-) 10:55 heh 10:55 some players just prefer playing locally. or connection issues doesnt make it ideal playing online 10:55 You would've seen the 9 Tourists who died in between this guy and the last promising tourist I had, two of which got killed by instadeath poison. 10:56 this is the way 10:59 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:03 Immediately after killing the Goblin King: 11:03 " The hobgoblin throws a poisoned dart! 11:03  You are hit by a poisoned dart. 11:03  The poison was deadly..." DYWYPI? 11:04 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:05 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:10 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:12 healers get poison resistance early; an early wish for green dragon scales can also solve the instadeath problem. regardless once you identify someone slinging poison at you it pays to not let them hit you again 11:12 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:38856 (14:54:35) 11:16 been watching nethackathon 11:16 no asc yet 11:16 currently have a semi-promising valk 11:16 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:17 btw, k2, wanna see people start caring about snickersnee? give it stun resistance 11:18 hrm 11:18 * K2 ponders 11:19 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest5539 11:19 -!- Guest5539 has quit [Killed (cadmium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 11:19 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:21 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:22 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:30 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:31 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:39432 (15:11:15) 11:36 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:37 Any reason for cursed specifically? 11:37 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:38 I'm writing cursed genocide scrolls. Didn't want to waste unholy. 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a helm of speed entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:39599 (15:15:43) 11:41 No cursed paper? 11:41 no 11:42 no cursed scrolls to blank? 11:42 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:43 No I have teleports but need them. I figured the marker will be used up just for genocide scrolls, so why not just wish cursed. 11:43 Fair! 11:49 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:49 Well I see that 3.7 accept that paranoid trap. 11:49 That's quit useful then. 11:53 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:53 K2: will AoR fit for giants in the next version? 11:54 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:56 i don't recall any mention of that -- think that would be too easy, you can almost always get those 4 artifacts and 3 forges if you commit to it 11:57 I think k2 said something in passing... didn't think it would get anywhere 11:57 on a related note, k2 -- soa/retribution would be substantially more challenging simply by changing the alignment of a couple of the base artifacts from neutral. like frost brand lawful, fire brand chaotic and it upends stuff quite a bit 11:58 soa would stop being the thing you can always make if you mindlessly altar camp 11:58 that would cause a disturbance in the force 11:58 just a slightly evil thought 11:59 * K2 ponders some more 11:59 ashmar would still fall into your lap, which is appropriate i think 11:59 doesn't that also prevent them being two-weaponed with each other (which they were explicitly made to do iirc)? 11:59 they arent intelligent, so i think not? 11:59 maybe? 11:59 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:59 that is a good point if true umbire, i would rescind my suggestion then 12:00 although i think nobody is every going to dual wield those weapons again with soa 12:00 no long sword skill for some. 12:00 you can always get long sword skill 12:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 12:00 Intelligence doesn't matter 12:00 and Basic via arti-gift is enough for SoA usage 12:01 chaotic convicts can't get it unless crowned. 12:01 "you can always get long sword skill" :-) 12:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:02 short sword is expert for them. I would have twoweaponed them in my last game if not for AoR. 12:03 change SoA recipe, one lawful one chaotic artifact hahahahahaha 12:03 Sunsword+stormbringer lol 12:03 :P 12:03 Actually! 12:04 That’s a great idea because then you can only have either hotg or soa 12:04 stormbringer/snickersnee/vorpal blade -> soa 12:04 tosses some funniness into the mix 12:04 RECIPES RANDOMIZED EACH GAME JUST LIKE SCROLL NAMES drops mic 12:04 lol omg 12:04 can you imagine 12:04 you’ll invalidate us saying stuff like that 12:05 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05 yani: change soa to a two handed sword 12:06 twoweaponing with it is op 12:06 scimitar 12:06 no scimitar love 12:06 change it to...stiletto of annihilation :-) 12:07 Scalpel of annihilation! 12:07 each game random! stiletto, scimitar, scalpel, or sword -- still all soa 12:07 dont know until you forge it 12:07 ew no 12:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:22959 (3:39:50) 12:07 staff of annihilation! salmon of annihilation! sack of annihilation! 12:08 scimitar is being merged into saber skill in 3.7 12:08 i'm on a roll dont stop me now 12:08 I still think the two handed sword idea has merit. Change fire/frost brand back to long swords and then annihilation is two handed 12:08 i've seriously thought about suggesting #invoke soa to toggle it between longsword and short sword 12:08 i kinda want to switch the brands back to long swords 12:08 thereby buffing the brands, and giving you a reason to use them instead of soa 12:09 healers and tourists wont find that a buff 12:09 tourists? 12:09 they can use all the things 12:09 Also, then soa’s skill is even harder to unrestrict cuz there’s no giftable th swords 12:09 isn't their short sword skill substantially higher? 12:10 Yeah well sucks to suck 12:10 No one uses the brands anyway 12:10 Why toggle soa, any usage? 12:10 Tourists make soa and healers use archmagi or aescalapius 12:10 For those lazy to unrestrict long sword maybe. 12:11 How can brands beat soa chance of disint :P 12:12 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 12:12 if soa was made two handed there would be more of a choice 12:12 because then it’s twoweaponing or instakill, not twoweaponing AND instakill 12:12 The Heavy Iron Ball of Annihilation :P 12:13 the enormous meatball of antioch 12:13 Maybe yes, twoweaponing artifacts are already very strong. 12:13 lol 12:14 i think a more reasonable change - you cant dual wield forged artifacts with other artifacts 12:14 changing shadowblade recipe was one thing, SoA recipe change, I dunno 12:14 cat is already out of the bag 12:14 Meh, then that's a great nerf. 12:15 nah there doesn’t gotta be a recipe change 12:15 the current one fits thematically anyway 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:42009 (10:07:22) 12:15 -!- alivernine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:15 In some variants, I think dual wielding nerfs some on hit abilities. Like % of instakill halves 12:15 cant dual wield forged artifacts with other *forged* artifacts 12:15 that’s kind of arbitrary though 12:16 very gamey 12:16 hmm i dunno 12:16 will need to think 12:16 I don't think anyone was in a hurry to twoweapon SoA/Glamdring 12:16 (Re:k3ut0i) 12:16 Then that doesn't affect SoA + angelslayer something. 12:16 i do like krm26's suggestion of stun res for snickersnee 12:16 Is there a reason to give snickersnee that that I’m unaware of 12:16 make it more desireable 12:17 without overpowering 12:17 i do think it is very reasonable to reduce the proc on dual-wielded artifacts -- like 70% mainhand, 30% offhand 12:17 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:17 -- that would affect grimtooth, soa, demonbane, hammer of the gods, werebane, etc, just the instakill proc 12:17 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 12:18 yeah but like why would that happen 12:18 honestly dual-wielding artifacts is imo >> forging, if i could only choose one :-) 12:18 because you aren't using the weapons optimally when dual-wielding 12:18 But you’re still hitting stuff with them, which is all you need to do 12:18 no, you need to hit them the right way, or else they would proc every hit. duh 12:19 Grimtooth doesn’t care how good your form is it’s just gonna make stuff sick 12:19 also why damage is in dice instead of a flat number 12:19 well then the chance should vary between skill levels wise guy 12:19 fine, 70/30, 71/31, 72/32 12:19 flat number damage is not very nethacky 12:20 I think dice are just used because it’s more fun when it’s random 12:21 i dont like how slash'em and derivitaves give flat damage bonuses 12:21 very OP 12:21 Haha bat from hell 12:21 Deal +20 damage to every thing, because why not 12:21 +20 12:22 Stuff like that is why slashem is better balanced than evilhack 12:23 -!- Log has joined #evilhack 12:23 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:23 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:23 -!- Log is now known as Loggers_VIII 12:23 I think hackem was supposed to have flat damage bonuses but they accidentally are dice in this current version 12:24 so bat from hell has 1d20 instead of +20 12:24 so has anyone ever had wand of wishing be maple or pine and then gotten them from wood golems? 12:24 Wasn't it meant to be the other way around or do I misremember 12:24 reverse genocide wood golems bab 12:24 y 12:24 mobileuser said it's fixed next version so I think they're supposed to be flat 12:25 the wiki artifact page also says they're flat, even though they're not, so they're prob supposed to be 12:25 yup 12:25 yeah, it was a bug 12:25 wood golems can drop wood wands? 12:25 what chance 12:26 yes, several variants make it so that some golems can drop stuff made of their material upon defeat 12:26 dont know, i have maple digging this game and have gotten 2 from 4 wood golems 12:26 vanilla doesn't do this but makes it so they drop slightly more varied stuff 12:26 likewise i've had a game with iron increase damage from iron golems 12:26 I will have to check my wand materials every game now 12:26 including adding drops where there previously were none 12:26 and even better, an iron magic harp 12:26 (see rope golems and leashes/bullwhips) 12:27 vanilla may have gotten that from evilhack in turn 12:29 s/evilhack/unnethack 12:29 Then what about add one mithril golem which drop mithril items. 12:29 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 12:29 Is there such monsters in dnh or slashem? 12:29 mithril golem actually sounds cool 12:29 slashem has a million crystal golems 12:31 but mithril golem; stronger attacks than iron/glass golems, drops a bunch of mithril weapons? sounds cool 12:31 Please drop some mithril magic lamps :P 12:31 crystal golems would actually be a nice stone++ golem 12:31 slashem has gemstone golems specifically 12:32 and since there are stone items k2 it would be fun if stone golems would sometimes drop one 12:32 I got killed by a ruby golem in minetown the other day 12:32 was trying to polymorph an unkillable dwarf lady into something killable 12:33 Into something kill(you)able 12:33 could just use a wand to hit through AC like I did on your bones 12:33 lol 12:33 also stone golems don't "drop" anything, they just become completely inanimate 12:34 you'd probably have better luck with clay golems if that 12:34 I only had like 20 HP, didn't know they had a fire breath attack 12:34 all the gemstone golems have breath attacks 12:34 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:35 why didn't you zap the the poly wand at the ruby golem Loggers_VII? 12:35 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 12:35 also k2, Vorpal Blade warns of all J, correct? 12:36 and does it have the same insta-beheading effect? (i.e. against snarks and boojums, I know the others do) 12:37 uh Loggers_VIII 12:38 Umbire insta-beheading only against jabberwock and vorpal jabberwock 12:38 and the warning? 12:38 mobileuser it was outta charges 12:38 not sure 12:38 ah 12:38 Umbire yes 12:38 unlucky 12:39 instakill vs jabberwock types, not all J's 12:40 And warns of all J 12:40 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:40 yes 12:40 hmm 12:40 one sec 12:40 ? 12:41 no does NOT warn of all J 12:41 snarks/boojum's are not flagged as MH_JABBERWOCK 12:41 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 12:42 Just the Jabberwock types then, coo 12:42 with vorpal jabberwocks rideable you won't be warned of a ridden vorpal jabberwock so be careful out there 12:43 vorpy protects against beheading, so that's still ok 12:44 yeah i realized that just as i typed it :-P 12:46 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:46 there should be some id-on-use justice for thrown weapons, or at least thrown-only weapons (darts, shuriken, arrows, bolts, bullets) 12:47 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 12:47 smop tho to prevent stack fragmentation 12:52 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:55 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:57 -!- mobileuser68 has joined #evilhack 12:58 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 12:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:04 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:06 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 13:12 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:13 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) murdered Backup, her faithful large dog, on T:45403 (11:05:41) 13:14 oh eat me 13:14 guess i'm killiny my quest giver 13:16 -!- mobileuser68 is now known as mobileuser 13:18 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:19 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:45531 (11:16:03) 13:24 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 13:29 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:35 K2: https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=The_Longbow_of_Diana&diff=154453&oldid=150077 13:35 this true of latest playable? 13:36 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 13:39 mmm love gifts of blank spellbooks, SO USEFUL 13:40 (Umbire, don't recall if that is live yet) 13:41 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:42 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 13:47 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:47 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 13:52 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:57 k2: you should permit bow/crossbow use wearing bracers per your thoughts about allowing them for dual-weilding 13:59 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 13:59 k2: is there a reason the gnomish crossbow is "of Carl" as opposed to any other non-Diana thing? if not, i would think it should be "of Jack" instead so every time i see it i'll throw up in my mouth a little thinking of john mellencamp 14:01 Carl is a particular name for garden gnomes at a casual glance 14:04 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:05 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:75503 (16:54:01) 14:08 interesting, never knew that 14:09 also evokes Garl Glittergold, can't say whether or not that's intentional 14:10 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:10 dont know what that is 14:10 D&D gnome deity 14:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 199490 points, T:48123, killed by a yellow dragon 14:13 damn got distracted irl :-) 14:15 :( 14:16 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 14:17 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:75898 (17:02:44) 14:18 Can I still use tonal instruments to crush monsters? 14:18 yes 14:20 you have to be pretty close to the drawbridge though 14:20 I think it's the same as vanilla 14:20 just don't stand in the path of the bridge :) 14:21 I hate bridge :P 14:21 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:22 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 14:23 dual-wielding artifacts allowed -> can't wield more than two artifacts at once -> forged artifacts are two artifacts in one -> no wielding another artifact with a forged one 14:23 i rest my case, your honor 14:23 your honor, terrapin is clinically insane 14:24 objection! relevance? 14:24 lol 14:25 Forged artifacts has their honor, and require your fatih :P 14:25 Once you wield one forged artifacts, then you will be blasted if try to wield another. 14:26 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 14:27 Meh, my konversation goes not responding every day. 14:27 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:27 konversation? 14:27 ah, IRC client 14:28 One KDE IRC client, I see it neat. 14:34 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 14:39 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:39 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:8545 (1:47:55) 14:42 !lastgame dbanethacker 14:42 dbanethacker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1694260697.evil.html 14:44 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha), 33078 points, T:18111, killed by a drow raider, while praying 14:51 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 14:52 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha), 57 points, T:217, killed by a sewer rat 14:56 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 15:02 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 15:08 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:08 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 15:10 ...wth, why my castle has only one wand of nothing. 15:10 Where's my wand of wishing... 15:10 Oh, so if I recall correctly all the other turrets in the vanilla castle have a wand of nothing 15:11 only one has the wand of wishing 15:11 I see maybe I forget to check all chests. 15:12 Yeah that's an EvilHack change 15:12 keep poking around 15:13 Okay, I got my wand of wishing. 15:13 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:13 I think 1 WoW, 1 WoN and 2 random wands 15:14 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:18 Scrolls of scare monster auto-ID when they turn to dust in Evil and xnh, right? 15:18 no 15:18 not in evil 15:18 hmm 15:20 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 15:25 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:26 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 15:31 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31 k2: you should permit bow/crossbow use wearing bracers per your thoughts about allowing them for dual-weilding <--- good idea 15:31 and how dare you want to change the name to something other than 'Carl' 15:31 CARL 15:37 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 15:42 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:43 krm26 you already can wield a bow/crossbow whilst wearing bracers 15:43 WHILST 15:43 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 15:43 already accounted for in wield.c 15:48 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:723 (0:03:17) 15:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:54 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 15:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Aphrodite, on T:1956 (0:08:35) 15:59 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 16:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5400 points, T:2430, killed by a giant beetle 16:05 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:06 cool! did not know that (because i hate rangers and will never play a ranger again :-) 16:06 because there is no one key, one round dual wield / ranged weapon swap functionality 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) murdered Ralph, his faithful stalker, on T:26588 (4:37:57) 16:12 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 16:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:27195 (4:44:49) 16:16 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:23 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 16:28 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 493 points, T:1510, killed by the Goblin King 16:31 krm26 thank you. because of your suggestion to give stun res to snickersnee, in adding that I found a bug 16:32 example: say the ring of p'hul is available, but you're currently not carrying it. you get stung by a locust and become terminally ill. then you pick up the ring 16:32 ooh, not cured? 16:32 the ring gives you sick res right? however, it does nothing for your current state of illness, and if left untreated, you'll die 16:32 easy fix, but damn 16:32 surprised it wasnt noticed sooner 16:32 Passing it to hack'em devs I assume 16:33 well, i guess you *could* argue that behavior is desired; prevents sickness, but doesn't cure it 16:33 hackemslashem follows my repo, he'll see it 16:34 krm26 i thought about that, but it doesnt feel right. enlightenment says you have sick res, yet here you are dying of illness 16:34 i noticed and reported this to devteam concerning stoning and YDSM conferring stone res 16:34 they fixed it 16:35 unchanging aborts sliming, stoning resistance aborts petrifying 16:35 it follows 16:35 does grayswandir do hallucination like that? 16:35 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 16:35 prob not 16:35 no, hallu res is entirely different 16:35 or is it on-wield, not on-carry 16:35 On wield iirc 16:35 but in general hallu res just suppresses the effects while you have it 16:35 you stay hallucinating but it has no effect while wielding it 16:35 ^ 16:35 rather than preventing it outright 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1938 (0:18:53) 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:1989 (0:21:40) 16:41 huh maybe that wasnt me and devteam ydsm 16:41 or anyone 16:41 i wonder if there is some other subpar artifact that couldn't provide withering-resistance 16:41 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2034 (0:22:27) 16:42 of if the vecna artifacts might do that 16:42 maybe that's an evilhack only thing 16:42 wtf am I remembering that from 16:43 oh it's a me thing 16:43 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/b1ffed17aa07dc9d768c02ed2926160c483ba178 16:43 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 16:44 Staff of Aesculapius would be on-flavor as preventing withering 16:44 invoking it cures it 16:44 ah 16:45 that works 16:45 K2 I think I complained about it first when an amulet versus stone didn't stop stoning in hack'em 16:45 It was meant to reflect SLASH'EM where that amulet works like life saving 16:45 but specifically for stoning 16:45 mobileuser probably hah 16:46 that's my guess anyway 16:46 oh i remember 16:46 I mentioned that commit to paxed 16:46 seems nothing came of it 16:49 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 448 points, T:1183, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 16:51 i wonder what happens in vanilla when you eat a gargoyle (or whatever grants stoning resistance) while petrifying 16:53 can't test with lizard corpse since that's coded to abort stoning immediately upon eating 16:56 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 16:57 dNetHack has the same bug (gaining sickness resistance doesn't cure sickness) 17:01 it's tricky; i could see arguments for either behavior. if you give yourself a vaccine when you're already dying of smallpox it's not gonna do much good 17:02 but of course sickness res in *hack is hand-wavey magic so who's to say? and gameplay-wise it seems intuitive to cure current sickness 17:04 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:05 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 17:07 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Fem Cha), 4086 points, T:3509, killed by an elven watch captain 17:14 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful green slime, on T:79863 (19:03:05) 17:15 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 17:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 115554 points, T:29558, killed by a dark elven soldier 17:20 -!- botifico has joined #evilhack 17:20 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±8] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/10f7aeede807...3ed6a5d9967c 17:20 [EvilHack] k21971 3ed6a5d - Fix: gaining certain resistances would not cure current effect they protect against / Snickersnee grants stun resistance when wielded. 17:20 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20 twofer 17:21 brb 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1927 (0:30:40) 17:27 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 17:31 just noticed non-racial drow monsters aren't on the EvilHack page yet 17:32 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:39 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 17:45 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:45 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:46 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 17:51 heya 17:51 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:52 is the reason I'm still getting junk from Lolth is because I've got 7 items in the artifacts list? 17:52 angelslayer, ogresmasher, dragonbane, mkot, werebane, sword of kas, secespita 17:53 I'm lvl 21 sacrificing dlvl 20. 17:54 I wield secespita when I #sac for extra juicy points 17:55 short answer: no 17:56 just "unlucky" 17:56 (I prefer "junk" to artifacts as "in case of emergency" backups) 17:56 gifts of any kind become less likely as you get more gifts 17:56 artifacts become less likely if you wish for any 17:57 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:81576 (19:42:47) 17:57 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 17:57 but the overall ratio is mostly based on your XL, and should be biased towards artifacts at XL21 17:58 I keep getting dark elven spears! 18:00 I've been a gooooood drow! I really have! Give me vorpy, lolth! 18:03 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful ice vortex, on T:82039 (19:49:55) 18:06 vorpal blade is neutral and lolth is chaotic 18:07 Meh, why my 3 blessed scrolls of fire only damage Kathryn 20 hp. 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful wolf, on T:82111 (19:53:42) 18:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful ice troll, on T:82113 (19:53:51) 18:08 unlucky minrolls 18:08 s/minrolls/low rolls 18:10 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 18:11 Seems I don't need to defeat Kathryn to obtain the artifact bag. 18:14 You don't, but it's great bragging rights and makes your life infinitely easier 18:15 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:17 Yes, maybe come later to lift her curse. 18:18 I have only poison blast and magic missile but she has reflection :P 18:22 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:82625 (20:08:16) 18:25 She used the spell I wager 18:25 That's temporary and can expire 18:25 as it does for you 18:27 Oh I see. 18:29 if you can maintain reflection or have the awareness to cast it situationally you can absolutely go without traditional reflection sources 18:29 (that provide just reflection anyway) 18:29 provided you have the skill and desire to 18:30 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:82965 (20:15:45) 18:31 Yes I have reflection spell. 18:31 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:31 But maybe I'd be lazy to cast it situationally lol. 18:32 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:83120 (20:19:19) 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:83244 (20:21:59) 18:39 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:45 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 18:47 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3606 (0:29:18) 18:50 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:50 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:84009 (20:36:02) 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3648 (1:08:29) 18:54 dropped all my gear so a nymph could steal my ball and chain, then fell two floors through a trap door, manage to make it past some baby owlbears with a prayer, go upstairs and to a fire ant who takes me to 4 health in two turns. but there's a random ring on the floor that i grab and put on, which happens to be invisibility, giving me space to run for the upstairs 18:57 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 18:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:84257 (20:43:32) 18:59 You are escape artist :P 18:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4234 (1:13:52) 18:59 that's the kind of skill display I like to see 19:00 even better when luck's in your favor 19:00 "skill" 19:01 it can't all be luck :3 19:02 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 6334 points, T:4866, killed by a soldier ant 19:08 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 19:13 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:14 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 19:19 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:26 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 19:31 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:31 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 19:37 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:40 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:86415 (21:25:41) 19:43 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 19:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Dwa Mal Law), 18807 points, T:5949, quit 19:48 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:87163 (21:38:43) 19:54 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 19:56 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a staff of divination bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:87336 (21:41:57) 19:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5374 (0:30:00) 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a staff of healing bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:87621 (21:46:30) 20:01 Thoth start giving me such weapons. 20:01 Is that means artifacts are all gifted out? 20:01 I'm level 30 now. 20:05 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:05 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6047 (0:38:58) 20:10 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 3638 points, T:6759, killed by a killer bee 20:17 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:88193 (22:02:47) 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:88448 (22:03:52) 20:20 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 20:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 350 points, T:1006, killed by a water moccasin 20:26 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1953 points, T:1357, killed by a mountain dwarf 20:36 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 20:40 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:47 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 20:50 I have 2 gnocide now. 20:50 What should I genocide? 20:51 Or save in astral plane. 20:51 what have you genocided 20:52 None. 20:52 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:52 And I have 0:1 wish now. 20:53 any type of flayer is good, I would save the geno scrolls for L 20:54 Nah, I'm a wizard, I think mind flayers aren't issues. 20:54 But maybe alhoons are. 20:54 Should I wish markers to write maybe acid blast? 20:54 Poison blast is really poor that everybody resist it:P 20:55 I think yes I should. 20:56 cone of cold is good enough if you have that 20:56 I don't have those too. 20:59 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 20:59 Poison blast is in the same place as poisoned weapons generally 20:59 Doesn't hurt to do per se but a lot of later stuff is immune 21:00 and at the same time there's still significant chunks (non-green dragons, certain nemeses et. al.) that aren't 21:00 Yes, I test maybe it has fancy damage, even higher than acid blast maybe. 21:00 But really a lot resist it.. 21:00 Hell I think player monsters typically aren't always immune 21:00 Yes I use them a lot. 21:00 It's my only AOE now. 21:00 they need to be orcish or drow, have green scaled armor, or have one of the other extrinsic sources 21:01 I see mnoks and healers those will have poison resisatnce too? 21:03 some stuff resists cone of cold just because they have high MR, not because they're immune to cold 21:03 same with acid blast 21:04 Meh, MR counts here? 21:04 ja 21:04 does in vanilla too 21:05 I see, in vanilla only magic missile needed. 21:07 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:07 @e?monk 21:07 monk (@) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 2 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 1d8 weapon physical, 1d8 kick physical | Align: 0 | herbivore, nopoly, infravis 21:07 magic missile is still really all you need in evil tbh 21:07 @e?healer 21:07 healer (@) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 1 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis 21:08 I wouldn't say that but I will say it still gets you pretty far since you only have to check for MR/reflection 21:08 and those don't completely stuff it 21:08 player mons don't have resists from their role that I immediately know of 21:08 there might well be some code for that 21:09 xdminsy: why does being a wizard make mind flayers not an issue? 21:10 Emmm, cuz I don't melee them? 21:10 summon nasties can summon master mind flayers 21:10 Yes but typically I'd carry some defensive wands. 21:11 And I have 23 Int I think maybe I could deal with them. 21:11 umbire I'm not sure, maybe they have green-scaled armor, I forgot. 21:12 only your base int matters for brainlessness (if you get to 3 base int you die regardless of extrinsic bonuses like helms of brilliance) 21:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1036 points, T:1846, killed by a giant cockroach 21:12 I see, got it. 21:13 Even so, you're still not likely to get instagibbed barring obscenely bad luck, but don't take it for granted that you'll always be out of melee range 21:13 Though it's possible to minimize those odds too - displacement, wands of teleport, etc. 21:13 Your helm should be greased/oilskin anyway as a matter of course 21:14 I'm starting to hate evil's zombies 21:14 Maybe, I have never genocide h in 3.7. 21:14 Not sure if I need to do so in evil. 21:15 I just tend to genocide anything that could remotely be a threat 21:15 don't trust myself 21:15 You're better off with uncursed genocide for specific monsters 21:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 1828 points, T:2849, killed by a flint stone 21:15 Not just because of the whole "dwarves accidentally killing themselves" thing, in general you want targeted genos 21:15 Ah I know that, blessed will genocide randomly 2. 21:15 and blessed is 2 random ones from the cl-- yeah 21:16 With L it doesn't matter as much since people generally want all L gone anyway 21:16 blessed geno is pretty much only good for L yeah 21:16 with L, if you are lucky blessed gets arch and master and you can stop; if not, use a second 21:16 and then you can blessed geno R i suppose if you feel like it 21:16 https://ibb.co/ScV6GWs 21:16 so 1-3 blessed geno per run depending 21:16 It's now my build. 21:16 there's probably an argument for R or ; using blessed scrolls but I doubt it's a very good one 21:17 you can bring a bunch of blessed to water for ; if you want 21:17 i usually prefer to eat breathing and then ignore ; 21:17 the ; aren't the dangerous part of water anyway 21:17 the E are what you want to be wary of, and they're ungenocidable 21:18 I see those are dangerous. 21:18 i mean, if you aren't wearing oilskin and dont breath water the ; can surprise you, especially when you need to be attending to a rodney 21:18 the krakens are slow and you can always scare the eels with a horn 21:18 @e?kraken 21:18 kraken (;) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: special | AC: 6 | Atk: 2d4 claw physical, 2d4 claw physical, 2d6 hug wrap, 5d4 bite physical | Align: -3 | genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, nopoly, infravis 21:19 krakens too, actually 21:19 [backscroll] nice evade moves terrapin :P 21:19 horn is more reliable than a bugle? 21:19 horn and bugle are pretty much identical 21:19 So should I write some spellbooks? What are recommended. 21:19 I think they nerfed the bugle in 3.7 because the devteam hates me 21:19 Mindless monsters can't be scared by music 21:20 Bugles are lighter than horns before objmats, but bugles anger soldiers 21:20 Ah I know that angering part. 21:20 good spellbooks are pretty much the same as vanilla with the addition of acid blast 21:20 polymorph, identify, magic mapping 21:20 Eels and kraken should still reliably scare with either instrument 21:20 anything that allows you to ignore game mechanics 21:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:90578 (23:06:33) 21:21 honestly fireball/cone of cold are upgraded since you can pick unskilled/skilled each cast iirc 21:21 isn't skilled always better anyway though 21:22 Depends a lot on where peacefuls are in the mix 21:22 well, okay I can think of some niche situations 21:22 matters for alignment shit re: QA/Astral pet 21:22 Identify could be cool, tho maybe I don't need now. 21:23 Identify is winmore but also not 21:23 it trivializes a lot less technically since there's oprops in the mix to consider, and there's cases where blessed magic detection is just a more efficient read 21:27 Loggers_VIII: you can't cast skilled on the plane of water 21:27 in vanilla, this means you can't cast cone of cold/fireball there at all if you are skilled in attack spell, since it doesn't fall back to the basic behaviour 21:27 s/spell/spells/ 21:27 There's also that, yes 21:28 also when you're blind 21:28 why can't you cast skilled there? 21:28 too wet or something 21:29 weird 21:30 the message is "You had better wait for the sun to come out." 21:31 It's literally all water so no way to meaningfully target with no light 21:31 huh 21:31 Skilled requires you be able to see the target square (or at least a monster on that square) 21:31 but you can see monsters on the plane of water 21:32 and squares 21:32 Planewide effect overrides 21:32 soz 21:32 * Umbire shrug 21:32 besides you sure you wanna combust all the oxygen in your bubble or freeze it solid 21:32 whatever it's kinda funny 21:32 ahhhhh 21:33 that's the way I fluff it anyway 21:33 gave you the crunch of it 21:36 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 21:41 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:41547 (15:58:57) 21:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 384 points, T:1436, killed by spear trap 21:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 705 points, T:804, killed by an arrow of lightning 22:02 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:42305 (16:19:46) 22:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a staff of matter bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:91935 (23:52:29) 22:11 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.2] 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4225 (0:51:22) 22:27 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a winged gargoyle, on T:93051 (1 day, 0:13:06) 22:29 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Gia Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:42759 (16:46:09) 22:49 Emmm why I cast fire ball at kathryn, she don't take damage... 22:50 I see, she has some magical armors, must be one of fire... 22:51 does she really not take damage? what's the message 22:51 Yes I used wand of probing. 22:52 https://ibb.co/ZzLhxXP 22:53 I accidentally angered Thoth and lost 20 AC sadly :P 22:54 hm yeah, that's weird 22:54 she probably has red dragon scale mail or somethign 22:55 https://ibb.co/bPjPCxw 22:56 That magical pair of jackboots must be of fire I think. 22:56 lol double reflection 22:56 and yeah non-zero chance 22:56 ah that's probably it 22:56 actually no 22:56 that's very unlucky 22:57 right double checked 22:57 they do say magical 22:57 you got ultra-assed dude >: 22:59 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:03 Lol non of my spells work on her.. 23:04 I got fireball and cone of god from cold. 23:04 cone of cold from god :P 23:06 Magic missile and acid blast are you next best bets 23:06 Poison blast is way too risky 23:06 because she IS vulnerable to poison gas, but if I remember, should she turn peaceful in the poison cloud, it'll anger her if they linger 23:06 and then you're hosed potentially 23:07 Ah okay, I'd be careful. 23:07 Meh, just ignore her :P 23:09 Some formal Kathryn strategy would be nice 23:09 I'll edit the wiki about it 23:10 Wow you do great job. 23:14 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:94924 (1 day, 0:59:44) 23:15 Needed a replacement? 23:16 I accidentally burn my previous comr into dust :P 23:17 Overenchanted eh 23:17 I try to fireball kathryn and burned away my comr.. 23:19 Ah, a non-dhide one 23:19 Right right, my b 23:19 Ah yes, it's my first dragonhide comr. 23:20 I'm 560 hp and -79 AC, seems tough. 23:22 I polypiled maybe at least 20 times of amulets but cannot get one flying :P 23:23 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) refused to give up The Eye of the Aethiopica to Neferet the Green, on T:95079 (1 day, 1:09:16) 23:24 how are things? 23:24 been immersed in nethackathon :P 23:25 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Neferet the Green, on T:95109 (1 day, 1:11:19) 23:28 Let me see, seems current game is going to be first ascension of nethackthon. 23:29 Emmm, killing quest leader seems angered god? 23:29 But my protection are still here. 23:31 I don't think it follows the same code path but yeah, you have to mollify your god because they're very angry 23:31 And your Luck's taken a permahit 23:32 Emmm, so after my refuse, I shouldn't kil him? 23:32 I mean you can escape once you've refused, it's common to just branchport out in the EotA's case 23:32 and return later to try and pacify the leader (Neferet in this case) 23:33 Ah I see, this game he escape downstairs and jump into hole, I just keep chasing him.. 23:33 So i don't need to kill him? 23:34 You don't need to kill her no, but a lot of times you'll have to if you can't pacify her or whatever leader 23:35 I sacrifice, it keep telling me "You feel partially absolved" 23:35 Yeah, you have a LOT of anger to make up for 23:35 Expect to be there a minute 23:36 I see, it's my alignment record still negative. 23:37 Cry, I shouldn't kill him this time :P 23:37 Lot of that to make up for too 23:37 Killing your quest leader sets your alignment to very low negative directly, on top of other penalties 23:40 What's the luck penalty? 23:40 Moment 23:40 Same as 3.7? 23:42 "As of this commit, if the quest leader 23:42 demands that the quest artifact be returned and the player does not 23:42 comply, the quest is no longer flagged as complete. They'll have to 23:42 defeat their quest leader to complete the quest and be able to perform 23:42 the invocation." 23:42 So I misremembered that part 23:43 Ah, so I should kill him. 23:43 Yeah probably not much choice 23:44 And I can't find the exact penalties but you've seen first hand that they are Bad 23:46 Yes, it's my first time. 23:46 Lol my previous buggy ascension, didn't talk to quest leader, didn't goto wizard tower and didn't do the ritual lol. 23:47 Ah and, I can wish one artifact, which one could be useful. 23:47 Gjallar?