00:03 <bouquet> what protects from shadow dragon breath or passive effects when hitting them?
00:03 <bouquet> reflection for breath attack?
00:03 <bouquet> MC3 for passive?
00:14 <Umbire> Draining breath, right?
00:20 <bouquet> ya, drains levels
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00:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:77028 (16:44:53)
01:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12038 (2:17:16)
01:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 17308 points, T:13202, killed by a dust vortex
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02:26 <mobileuser> bouquet I was trapped in the rogue quest myself once, had to wait thousands of turns eating leps before a teleport scroll dropped
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04:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide jumping boots", on T:85175 (1 day, 6:24:54)
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04:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) had an aklys bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:85343 (1 day, 6:27:59)
04:29 <k3ut0i> :( no grimtooth. So it is already generated? Where the hell is it?
04:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:86087 (1 day, 6:40:49)
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05:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:87715 (1 day, 7:03:16)
05:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:3771 (0:36:57)
06:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism by offering a wood nymph corpse on an altar of Loki, on T:4977 (0:45:20)
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06:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:11309 (1:21:29)
07:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:16490 (1:52:55)
07:14 <k3ut0i> Could not find grimtooth anywhere :(
07:15 <k3ut0i> Is it possible that illithids cannot be gifted grimtooth?
07:17 <k3ut0i> I searched the irc logs and grimtooth was only given 7 times. 3 times to Orc and 4 times to Cen.
07:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 52844 points, T:18640, killed by a Grey-elf
07:33 <mobileuser> it must have been generated somewhere... needle in a haystack
07:36 <xdminsy> Maybe you can add one autopickup for it lol :P
07:37 <xdminsy> Then you may suddenly got one Grimtooth in next game :P.
07:38 <xdminsy> My pseudodragon died to illness too, it's hard to save pets life :P
07:40 <xdminsy> Maybe autopickup all artifacts can be good choice?
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08:04 <krm26> i just read a dnetheck post on reddit and i understood literally nothing. i'm not sure why "nethack" is part of that game name
08:10 <xdminsy> Heard of it contains millions of monsters from cthulhu?
08:11 <krm26> ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
08:12 <mobileuser> to be fair, some of the evilhack discussion has become incomprehensible to non-evilhack players ;-)
08:13 <mobileuser> and it's actually possible to ascend dnethack whilst ignoring most of the weird stuff
08:13 <xdminsy> In the nethack way?
08:13 <xdminsy> YASI: add a object property of cancelling :P
08:14 <xdminsy> Put those things into boh would have a 10% chance to explode it :P
08:14 <mobileuser> mostly in the nethack way (you do need 3 alignment keys from quests)
08:16 <xdminsy> Alignment keys, I have heard of that, maybe slash'em have those too.
08:17 <Noisytoot> slash'em has 3, dnethack has 9
08:18 <xdminsy> Added good/evil aixs?
08:18 <Noisytoot> no, just 3 keys of each alignment
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08:20 <xdminsy> If I polypile a magical item, it will more likely become another item object properties?
08:20 <Noisytoot> (although gods do have a holy/neutral/unholy holiness as well as alignment that affects things such as whether they dislike you using poison)
08:20 <Noisytoot> (or whether they will accept prayers from undead)
08:21 <xdminsy> Okay, I heard that dnethack has thousands of artifacts.
08:22 <Loggers_VIII> well it's not literally thousands, but yeah there's a lot
08:26 <K2> bunches
08:26 <xdminsy> Well, if it were 3.7 based I may happy to give it a try :P
08:27 <xdminsy> I found that maybe mines end is easier than sokoban in evilhack?
08:29 <K2> depends on which mines end map you get
08:29 <K2> the sewers mines end is no joke
08:29 <xdminsy> Ah I have encountered that once.
08:30 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, in sokoban I'd often encouneter player monsters, annoying baby dragons and maybe water elemental and gelcubes.
08:30 <xdminsy> But hardly see those in mines, same level.
08:30 <krm26> sokoban cant poly trap you to death
08:31 <krm26> and doesn't it also depend on your level and the stairs levels?
08:32 <xdminsy> Yes but I'd always have high level when in sokoban, maybe 9 or 11.
08:32 <xdminsy> Should I control my level?
08:32 <xdminsy> But I found that hard to do, I cannot Elbereth and often I have very poor AC.
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08:33 <krm26> i never use elbereth
08:33 <Loggers_XI> mines end is usually safer unless polytraps give you a lich or dragon or something
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08:33 <Loggers_XI> the sewer variant is really dangerous, though
08:33 <krm26> the secret to a successful early game imo is care, patience, using your pet to the utmost, range range range when in doubt, feel free to run away
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08:33 <xdminsy> Is that contains a Rat King one?
08:34 <Loggers_VIII> yes
08:34 <Loggers_VIII> the secret to early game is to come across an altar
08:34 <xdminsy> Yes, I need more patience, I just like traveling traveling in 3.7.
08:34 <xdminsy> But in evilhack seems sometimes I'd got trouble when travelling :P
08:34 <K2> or just breathing
08:35 <K2> or standing still
08:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:39173 (6:14:21)
08:35 <K2> or playername == krm26
08:35 <K2> :P
08:35 <Loggers_VIII> people do often have trouble breathing in evilhack
08:35 <K2> hahah
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08:36 <xdminsy> My recent 2 games, all have sokoban entrace at dl10 and, I'm level 12 and about -3 AC.
08:36 * K2 slaps gelcube around a bit with a large trout
08:36 <gelcube> :(
08:36 <xdminsy> Maybe have died several times in sokoban level 3 or 4:P
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08:37 <K2> its not uncommon to die in sokoban even in vanilla nethack
08:37 <Loggers_VIII> I avoid sokoban in evil because
08:37 <Loggers_VIII> I don't like doing the puzzles very much
08:37 <xdminsy> Nah but vanilla monsters are more safer.
08:38 <Loggers_VIII> yeah increasing monster difficulty that much in evil is more dangerous than vanilla
08:38 <xdminsy> Yesterday I haven't got one pickaxe, and there's one player monster giant priest blocking my returning way.
08:39 <xdminsy> But I think I could stills survive, maybe did some wrong actions.
08:39 <Loggers_VIII> well that's the fun of it
08:40 <xdminsy> Yes, and MR is more crucial in early game, those are so many spellcasters.
08:41 <xdminsy> And in 3.7 I can easily kill'em by daggers, but hell harder to kill some in evilhack.
08:41 <xdminsy> Especially those great AC player spellcasters :P
08:41 <xdminsy> Should take care to carry some poisoned projectiles.
08:41 <Loggers_VIII> I just hit those with melee and they die
08:41 <k3ut0i> Has something changed with hardfought servers? Its taking a long time to login.
08:42 <xdminsy> Nah, maybe you have SoA or Vorpy?
08:42 <K2> which server?
08:42 <Loggers_VIII> stormbringer works wonders on those player monsters
08:42 <Loggers_VIII> so does mjollnir
08:42 <k3ut0i> both us and eu
08:42 <K2> i'm not noticing any undue delay logging in
08:42 <Loggers_VIII> me neither, fwiw
08:42 <K2> run a traceroute to each, could be lag inbetween you and them
08:42 <k3ut0i> everything is fine after login
08:43 <xdminsy> Once I +7 stormy and, whatever offhand I forget, hit a knight player monster 100 turns and use stethoscope to see he's still full hp and don't get drained too much :P
08:43 <K2> even au server login is fine on my end
08:44 <Loggers_VIII> xdminsy skill issue :p
08:44 <K2> server load is fine on eu
08:44 <xdminsy> I'm not sure how to kill those -40AC dude without poison instadeath or SoA.
08:45 <K2> same on us
08:45 <Loggers_VIII> maybe drow to-hit really is working
08:46 <xdminsy> Yes, I remember maybe I have 45 to-hit in dark.
08:46 <K2> Loggers_VIII, if xdminsy is playing locally on the new build, then yeah it would be
08:46 <Loggers_VIII> brb
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08:47 <xdminsy> I'm now playing on hardfought for a while, it's acceptable to play at 40ms delay.
08:48 <xdminsy> I'm not sure which one I connect, maybe us.
08:48 <xdminsy> !who
08:48 <Hecubus> xdminsy: [hdf-us] xdminsy [evil] :: [hdf-au] No current players :: [hdf-eu] k3ut0i [evil]
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08:50 <k3ut0i> traceroute shows no undue lags.
08:51 <krm26> xdminsy, something that really helps early game is continuously asking what to do next. you can do mines, sokoban, or grind while you try to accomplish the Most Important Initial Gets: poly trap survival, combat wand survival, cube survival. there are lots of ways of accomplishing those things
08:54 <xdminsy> I think maybe scrolls of scare monser and earth could help a lot?
08:54 <xdminsy> I hardly use them in 3.7.
08:55 <xdminsy> Ah yes, I have clear sight in how and what to do in vanilla, but evilhack may make things harder.
08:55 <Loggers_VIII> yeah evilhack is a little more challenging
08:57 <k3ut0i> It seems to be some kind of ipv4/ipv6 issue. ssh seems to default to ipv6. `ssh -4 ` is working without delay.
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08:58 <krm26> scrolls of earth can be invaluable early get-out-of-gail items; likewise scrolls of teleportation and scare monster
08:58 <xdminsy> Will one choke on quaffing fountains that give 10 nutrition?
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08:59 <krm26> you'd have to be pretty stuffed for that to happen. i'd say almost certainly not
08:59 <krm26> if you do, fun unique death!
08:59 <K2> k3ut0i aaah
08:59 <xdminsy> Lol I won't try that.
08:59 <K2> here at work, we're strictly ipv4
08:59 <K2> at home i could test between the two
09:00 <k3ut0i> I don't know why this came up now. Default worked fine for last 2 months.
09:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:114965 (1 day, 12:33:12)
09:01 <K2> problem could then lie with either your ISP, or maybe your home modem/router needs a reboot
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09:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:114966 (1 day, 12:33:35)
09:02 <k3ut0i> brb I'm gonna try rebooting the router.
09:02 <K2> kk
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09:08 <k3ut0i_> well, not a router issue. my ISP must be messing with something.
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09:11 <K2> :(
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09:32 <terrapin> k3eut0i: looks like grimtooth and other racially aligned artifacts can only be gifted if you don't hate their race
09:32 <terrapin> and everybody except centaurs and orcs hate orcs
09:32 <krm26> goddamit
09:32 <krm26> that explains my lack of grimtooth
09:33 <mobileuser> giants hate orcs too?
09:33 <Loggers_VIII> that seems silly
09:33 <krm26> so that is why dramborleg and grimtooth show up infrequently
09:34 <mobileuser> silly? it has a certain logic
09:34 <krm26> is that a surprise to you, k2?
09:34 <K2> a bit yeah
09:34 <K2> i get it
09:34 <Loggers_VIII> you can argue for it but it is silly that only two races can be gifted grimtooth
09:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:115138 (1 day, 13:06:33)
09:35 <Loggers_VIII> \o/
09:35 <K2> may tweak that
09:35 <terrapin> a worthy alternative!
09:36 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/9c74c93093dd...d9a66eb0833e
09:36 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 d9a66eb - Fix: container trap outcomes for monsters using them was determined by the players luck.
09:36 <K2> ^ oooold bug
09:37 <mobileuser> yay!
09:38 <K2> terrapin, where were you seeing that? if monster is a bane against that weapon, not gifted it
09:38 <K2> prob in pray.c
09:38 <K2> i'm guessing
09:38 <terrapin> mk_artifact()
09:39 <K2> ah
09:39 <krm26> now i have to decide if i waste my wand failing to get grimtooth as a second artifact
09:39 <krm26> eh screw that
09:40 <krm26> shadowblade doesnt infect like grimtooth anyway right?
09:40 <Loggers_VIII> nope
09:40 <Loggers_VIII> just drain
09:40 <K2> but not bloodthirsty
09:41 <K2> ah i see
09:42 <mobileuser> ah, drow want it I see
09:42 <mobileuser> yeah that makes the grimtooth ingredient tricky
09:42 <K2> ok sooo... it makes all sorts of common sense that your deity would NOT gift you a weapon that is a bane to you
09:43 <Loggers_VIII> if you're lycanthrope can you get gifted werebane
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09:43 <K2> but that's a condition, not a race
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09:43 <K2> but that's a condition, not a race
09:43 <Loggers_VIII> boooo
09:43 <K2> hisssss
09:43 <terrapin> howwwwwl
09:44 <K2> lets rethink this a bit...
09:44 <mobileuser> maybe change the recipe for shadowblade?
09:44 <K2> ^ ding
09:44 <mobileuser> heh
09:44 <Loggers_VIII> how does hooa work as unaligned?
09:44 <Loggers_VIII> (as inf)
09:44 <K2>     { ART_SHADOWBLADE, ART_STORMBRINGER, ART_WEREBANE },
09:44 <Loggers_VIII> omg
09:44 <K2> how bout that?
09:45 <mobileuser> Loggers you turn lawful
09:45 <Loggers_VIII> k2 can you get gifted demonbane as demonic infidel
09:45 <K2> technically no you shouldnt
09:45 <terrapin> ooh can shadowblade be silver
09:45 <Loggers_VIII> damn that would be funny
09:45 <terrapin> demons can't be gifted silver weapons
09:46 <mobileuser> but...
09:46 <krm26> werebane needs some love for sure
09:46 <mobileuser> can they get gifted silver artifacts
09:46 <krm26> make shadowblade out of ANTISILVER
09:46 <K2> swapping grimtooth for werebane would give werebane some added value
09:46 <K2> i have another idea for werebane as well
09:46 <krm26> for sure
09:47 <Loggers_VIII> werebane not shit :D
09:47 <terrapin> K2, it definitely makes sense that deities won't gift banes, but that only seems to be checked for giants and giantslayer
09:47 <K2> yeah...
09:47 <terrapin> the other cases happen to be caught by the race_hostile check
09:47 <krm26> giantslayer and werebane both need love
09:47 <krm26> forging love
09:47 <K2> giantslayer would be an AWESOME artifact weapon for a valk
09:47 <K2> non giant valk
09:47 <Loggers_VIII> giantslayer+tempest=ultra spear long spear :p
09:48 <Loggers_VIII> *ultra long spear
09:48 <K2> ultra spear
09:48 <Loggers_VIII> has anyone ascended with tempest yet?
09:48 <Loggers_VIII> it's a bit of a niche
09:49 <Loggers_VIII> might play a centaur just to use it
09:49 <K2> do it
09:49 <K2> centaur knight with tempest would be bad ass
09:49 <terrapin> i saw someone with it in inventory recently in Moloch's Sanctum, but they weren't using it. can't remember who
09:49 <Loggers_VIII> what's the recipe? mojo+something else?
09:50 <terrapin> cleaver
09:50 <Loggers_VIII> hm, centaurs have to be chaotic
09:50 <terrapin> centaur valks can be neutral
09:50 <terrapin> and they'll get mojo for sure
09:51 <mobileuser> and cleaver with some patience
09:51 <Loggers_VIII> yeah and they get the same skill in polearm as knight
09:51 <k3ut0i> I did tempest ranger.
09:51 <k3ut0i> centaur
09:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:115520 (1 day, 13:23:39)
09:52 <terrapin> how was it?
09:52 <krm26> i dunno, centaur knight it is hard to give up on twin bone lances of shocking
09:52 <k3ut0i> very good for crowd control. vecna first level clearing was awesome. No that good for astral.
09:52 <Loggers_VIII> lances are lame
09:53 <krm26> if tempest acted like a lance in the hands of a knight...
09:53 <Loggers_VIII> now that you've landed us on the topic
09:53 <Loggers_VIII> let's talk lances
09:53 <Loggers_VIII> op pls remove :)
09:53 <krm26> it is ez to not use them if you dont like them
09:53 <krm26> i'm not using them right now!
09:54 <Loggers_VIII> I hate seeing other people succeed >:(
09:54 <krm26> oh
09:54 <krm26> yeah
09:54 <krm26> that is why i wear my mobileuser blackout shades
09:54 <Loggers_VIII> heh
09:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1600 points, T:2295, quit
10:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1015 points, T:1092, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food
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10:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:115794 (1 day, 13:40:17)
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10:10 <Loggers> !setmintc 0
10:10 <Hecubus> Loggers: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for loggers set to 0
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10:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 588 points, T:1316, killed by a burning scroll
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10:15 <Noisytoot> krm26: lances can break, tempest can't
10:15 <Noisytoot> and you get inventory shock resistance
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10:17 <Loggers_VIII> ithilmar grants lances protection from breakage if you're wearing a steed that has it
10:18 <krm26> has anyone actually made ithilmar
10:18 <Loggers_VIII> idk
10:18 <Loggers_VIII> like tempest it's pretty niche
10:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful fire elemental, on T:116028 (1 day, 13:50:57)
10:19 <Loggers_VIII> you monster
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10:35 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±6] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/d9a66eb0833e...12b309deff8e
10:35 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 12b309d - Change Shadowblade forging recipe.
10:36 <krm26> -> shadowblade should also be a short sword :-)
10:36 <terrapin> i honestly wasn't certain whether you were joking or not about the werebane change :P
10:36 <K2> athame :)
10:36 <K2> terrapin :)
10:36 <K2> does that change look alright?
10:37 <Loggers_VIII> anything that makes shadowblade not horrible
10:37 <Loggers_VIII> is goood
10:37 <Loggers_VIII> *werebane
10:38 <terrapin> i think it would be neat to make shadowblade silver. ties it more firmly to werebane, and makes it more generally useful---as-is, shadowblade is mostly useful pre-gehennom, but forged artifacts are often a late-game thing unless you spend a wish.
10:39 <Loggers_VIII> does its invoke still scare angels and stuff?
10:39 <terrapin> no
10:39 <Loggers_VIII> aw I thought that was cool
10:40 <terrapin> yeah
10:42 <K2> angels are not scared by mere mortals
10:42 <K2> not even Loggers_VIII
10:42 <K2> :P
10:42 <Loggers_VIII> I think I could scare angels
10:42 <K2> heh
10:47 <terrapin> silver would actually be worse vs. living targets but I think the added usefulness vs. demons would make shadowblade more attractive without it being overly powerful in any one situation
10:49 <K2> its a drow artifact though
10:49 <K2> silver wouldnt make sense. i get what you're saying though
10:50 <terrapin> fair point
10:50 <k3ut0i> could it be conditional? drow forges an adamantine one and others forge a silver one?
10:50 <krm26> smop
10:50 <krm26> antisilver!
10:51 <k3ut0i> code would become too weird
10:51 <K2> weird enough as it is
10:51 <K2> hah
10:52 <terrapin> should it defend vs. ad_were?
10:52 <K2> hmm
10:52 <terrapin> it already has DFNS(AD_DRLI) but you could stick a special case in defends()
10:52 <K2> werebane doesnt
10:53 <terrapin> werebane has DFNS(AD_WERE)
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10:56 <K2> i meant to slap a ? at the end of my statement hah
10:56 <K2> yeah it could defend against ad_WERRE
10:56 <K2> AD_WERE
10:57 <terrapin> ad_WHAT?
10:57 <K2> ad_WHY?
10:57 <mobileuser> AD_DISHWASHER
10:57 <K2> and my fav, ad_WTF
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11:00 <Noisytoot> In dNetHack, stuff with Lolth's holy symbol (and several other drow-related wards) does silver damage (because it's "a silver spider-like star")
11:00 <Noisytoot> rings specifically
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11:09 <Loggers_VIII> @e?mountain dwarf
11:09 <Hecubus> mountain dwarf (h) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 1d8 weapon physical | Align: 4 | genocidable, omnivore, tunnels, tunnels, infravis
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11:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 669 points, T:183, killed by a coyote
11:11 <terrapin> you could do a whole abbott and costello routine
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11:12 <terrapin> A: hey check out this new attack i implemented
11:12 <terrapin> C: what's it called?
11:12 <terrapin> A: AD_WERE
11:12 <K2> :)
11:12 <terrapin> C: how should I know at which line it is? you're the one who coded it
11:12 <terrapin> A: not AD_WICH, AD_WERE
11:13 <terrapin> C: there's no way that's correct grammar. and you still haven't told me where it's at
11:13 <terrapin> A: it's AD_WERE
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11:14 <terrapin> C: okay, the dangling preposition was sketchy, but there's no need to be pedantic
11:15 <krm26> killing vecna with luck blade is gonna be ugly
11:15 <Loggers_VIII> like a priest with demonbane
11:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 270 points, T:962, killed by a large mimic
11:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:117145 (1 day, 14:49:02)
11:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4350 (0:59:16)
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11:19 <krm26> mmm so i get the hand, nice
11:19 <krm26> 25 str 25 con illithid
11:19 <Loggers_VIII> what's ur carry cap
11:19 <krm26> gonna make me 25/20/25/22/22/16, i may be the highest stats possible
11:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4398 (1:01:06)
11:19 <krm26> dunno yet, 1125 pre-hand
11:20 <krm26> gotta finish out this level and do some housekeeping to get reflection back before i hand-up
11:20 <Loggers_VIII> gonna need some excellence if you want the highest stats possible
11:20 <terrapin> you need a weapon of excellence and a helm of brilliance
11:20 <Loggers_VIII> hit us with a 25/25/25/25/25/25 status bar
11:20 <krm26> is there a wisdom-booster?
11:21 <terrapin> you could get all 25s with gauntlets of dexterity and sword of kas
11:21 <K2> mitre!
11:21 <terrapin> helm of brilliance does int and wis, right?
11:21 <K2> yes
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11:26 <krm26> ah my bad
11:26 <krm26> never wear the crap :-)
11:27 <K2> you gotta tho, so we can see 25 x6
11:27 <K2> do it for mobileuser
11:27 <K2> do it for... SCIENCE
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11:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 523 points, T:1946, killed by a gas cloud
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11:39 <Noisytoot> All 25s is possible. Illithid with sword of kas (25 str), AoR (25 con), +5 gauntlets of dexterity (25 dex), some blessed armour of excellence (25 cha), and +3 helm of brilliance (25 int/wis)
11:40 <Loggers_VIII> I want to try that
11:40 <Loggers_VIII> sounds fun
11:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:117845 (1 day, 15:12:54)
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11:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:117846 (1 day, 15:13:08)
11:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:117846 (1 day, 15:13:13)
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11:43 <krm26> 1500 carry ilithid with vecna and retribution
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11:43 <krm26> unfortunatly i'm now keeping my fingers crossed on not having rodney steal the ring of phul
11:44 <Noisytoot> grease it, and make sure it stays non-cursed
11:46 <Loggers_VIII> yeah grease works for rodney stealing
11:50 <krm26> am aware, but far from foolproof. in fact doesn't prevent instant theft. double trouble, remove grease, remove ring
11:53 <Loggers_VIII> then use a cloak of magic resistance?
11:54 <krm26> lame! oilskin all the way
11:54 <Loggers_VIII> waddahell do you need oilskin for
11:54 <Loggers_VIII> also, use an amulet of magic resistance then
11:54 <krm26> then no reflection!
11:54 <Loggers_VIII> who cares?
11:54 <Loggers_VIII> reflection is not as good as MR
11:54 <krm26> there is no solution, i am just going to leave a nice bones on 10
11:55 <Loggers_VIII> if you just genocide black dragons reflection is basically useless
11:55 <krm26> the reason to genocide black dragons is to not accidentally poof your weapon on them
11:55 <krm26> #paranoidblackdragon
11:56 <Loggers_VIII> I think there can be two reasons to do something
11:56 <krm26> no, it is just a 1 bit field
11:56 <Loggers_VIII> damn
11:57 <Loggers_VIII> anyway genocide black dragons?
11:57 <krm26> nooo! now that i'm vecnad up i can start accumulating dragon pets
11:57 <krm26> need a rainbow
11:57 <krm26> if only k2 would change the shadow dragon glyph to purple
11:59 <Loggers_VIII> no the black glyph is cooler >:(
11:59 <krm26> then make black dragons purple that is fine
11:59 <Loggers_VIII> yes that could work
12:00 <Loggers_VIII> also make neothelids magenta
12:09 <krm26> k2, figurine weight should be slightly proportionate to monster weight instead of a flat 50. nobody makes huge figurines of grid bugs :-)
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12:25 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/12b309deff8e...1475c1af05d8
12:26 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 1475c1a - Goblin Town traps spawn in random spots.
12:27 <K2> krm26 i think maybe figurines have different weights in 3.7
12:27 <K2> i'd have to look
12:27 <krm26> nice goblin town tweak
12:28 <Loggers_VIII> ooh ooh ooh chance of bolt trap in goblin town
12:30 <K2> :P
12:30 <K2> squeeze that in first before making new gt maps
12:30 <krm26> i thought about asking for bolts as well but it doesn't make sense given that the orcs never use crossbows
12:33 <K2> its fine i think
12:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4679 (0:44:37)
12:33 <K2> they dont use beartraps eithers
12:33 <K2> and there are no bears
12:34 <K2> -s
12:36 <Loggers_VIII> YANI: add a bunch of owlbears to goblin town
12:37 <K2> heh
12:37 <K2> bugbears
12:37 <K2> owlbugbears
12:39 <Loggers_VIII> new hallucinatory monster
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12:40 <terrapin> i think owlbugbears are a prime candidate for an AD_WTF attack
12:41 <terrapin> "The owlbugbear hits. Holy S***! What *was* that?!
12:41 <K2> lol
12:43 <krm26> "The shambling horror hits...well...hugs...slugs? I'm...not sure what the shambling horror just did..."
12:45 <krm26> hand of vecna should just always be cursed
12:47 <Noisytoot> does that matter if you can't remove it anyway?
12:47 <krm26> slightly, for infidels
12:47 <krm26> and for look-and-feel
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12:58 <dbanethacker> Hello all.  I've been riding my pegasus and am on level 35 in Gehennon.  But I've dismounted it and threw it a few apples to be sure it's not hungry.  Yet I keep slipping when trying to get back on the saddle.  Any ideas?  If somehow the saddle got cursed, how would that be fixed?
12:59 <dbanethacker> A dragon pulled me off the pegasus which is how I got dismounted.
13:00 <K2> #loot your pegasus
13:01 <K2> you can get the saddle from it and then determine its BUC status
13:01 <K2> if it isnt removed via #loot you know its cursed
13:01 <K2> at that point, you can use knock spell or a wand of opening to remove it
13:02 <dbanethacker> Ok, thanks for the suggestions!
13:03 <K2> o/
13:03 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, I can't seem to tame the local shadow dragon.  I tried a blessed scroll of taming.
13:03 <K2> they have a level of MR
13:03 <K2> keep trying
13:03 <K2> also make sure you arent wearing dragonbane
13:03 <dbanethacker> ah, that's the problem then.
13:06 <dbanethacker> would a / of cancellation shot at my pegasus be a valid way to uncurse the saddle?  I've determined that it IS cursed as it won't come off.
13:06 <dbanethacker> Otherwise I'll Knock it off.
13:06 <K2> yes
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13:07 <krm26> you can also always slug them in the face with holy water
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13:14 <Noisytoot> @e?pegasus
13:14 <Hecubus> pegasus (u) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -4 | Atk: 2d6 kick physical, 2d6 kick physical, 4d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | herbivore, flies, oviparous, regen, nopoly, infravis
13:15 <Noisytoot> you risk cancelling it if you use a wand of cancellation
13:17 <K2> pegasi dont have any special attacks, cancelling it is a minor concern. easy enough to uncancel it if deemed necessary
13:18 <K2> heya qt
13:18 <qt> howdy
13:19 * qt tips his stetson
13:19 <K2> such a gentleman
13:19 <K2> heh
13:19 <K2> you had me at 'hello'
13:19 <K2> or howdy i guess
13:24 <krm26> jhfkf some days eating 15 amulets of breathing is not enough thank you rng
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13:28 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, stepped on a polymorph trap and while I wasn't changed due to my " of MR, my pegasus is no longer.  I tried polymorphing it a few times but it's not becoming a dragon or something I can ride.
13:29 <krm26> pets are difficult to keep, there is always a poly trap or genetic engineer or wand waiting right around the corner to f your plans
13:30 <krm26> your snark-fed gray dragon will be turned into a statue and your snark-fed polished yellow dragon will turn into a newt
13:31 <krm26> #amuletsforpetswithnecks
13:31 <dbanethacker> Yeah, at least I have 3 = of levitation.  Have to be careful over lava, now.
13:32 <krm26> are the rings foo-proof? have you genocided shocking spheres? :-)
13:32 <krm26> the game is alwaaaayss watcching
13:33 <K2> making maps is sooo tedious
13:33 <K2> end of rant
13:34 <qt> you better hope no professional cartographers are here
13:34 <krm26> surprised someone working on one of the variants with oodles of extra maps never made a nice gui map editor
13:34 <qt> they'd be offended
13:34 <K2> paxed made a .des to .lua converter
13:34 <qt> probably could throw together some javascript thing without that much difficulty, if you were a javascript guy
13:34 <qt> but whether it should really be des or lua at this point is a question
13:36 <dbanethacker> Dang alhoon brought my hammer skill back to zero.  Do I have to increase my experience level to be able to bring my hammer skill up to Basic and then Skilled?  Or because I'm already at experience level 17 is that enough?
13:40 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, I'm in Minetown.  Any advice for getting Orcus?  I normally like a cockatrice corpse but don't have one handy.
13:40 <terrapin> you have the same number of skill slots as before, you just need to hit a bunch of things with hammers
13:45 <terrapin> my orcus strats: 1) boulder fort 2) GoPur 3) polymorph into a balrog (remove shirt, body armor, cloak) 4) go toe-to-toe with some potions of paralysis or a 'c' corpse and get back the several hundred maxhp you'll inevitably lose with some reverse genocided nurses after (also 5) steal the wand if you're a rogue/convict)
13:45 <krm26> not sure i understand the relationship between minetown and orcus
13:46 <qt> maybe orcus goes to drink in minetown on his days off
13:51 <Noisytoot> 3 is a bad idea if you are relying on one of those slots for MR
13:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4474 points, T:6836, killed by an ettin mummy
13:52 <Noisytoot> can you bullwhip the wand away?
13:52 <dbanethacker> I am a Valk with Mojo and Vorpal Blade at +7 / +6, respectively.  I can go up and get a whip.  There are 2 cockatrices so I can get a corpse if you think that's more effective.
13:53 <dbanethacker> I only have 138 HP so that might be a problem.
13:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:120260 (1 day, 17:24:43)
13:53 <qt> why is orcus in minetown dbanethacker 
13:53 <dbanethacker> I said the wrong location.
13:53 <Noisytoot> orcus-town?
13:53 <dbanethacker> I'm in Orcustown (is that the name of this level)?
13:54 <krm26> gotcha
13:54 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea:  Orcus-town as a Minetown variant.
13:55 <dbanethacker> Hmm, without all the high level monsters (skeletons, shades, etc.) that a person normally at a level where he's in the true Minetown - there's an idea.
13:55 <krm26> as a valk dbanethacker you can boulder fort and silver aklys/dagger if you are very cautious but you can also just kill him (or para-kill him if you are nervous) and then repair any maxhp damage afterwards
13:56 <krm26> i always worry about the wonderful encounters where they summon another demon lord or prince on the first round, so even when i dont boulder fort i like to engineer a safe one-on-one fight zone at the stairs
13:56 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, no silver aklys seen anywhere in the DoD, IIRC.
13:56 <krm26> you make em
13:56 <krm26> club+flail
13:56 <dbanethacker> good idea!
13:57 <krm26> i have a +7 silver aklys of lightning i made which did kas in like 8 rounds
13:57 <krm26> it is super-nice because 2 arrows+2 darts -> silver club if either are silver, then any random gnoll flail
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13:58 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, I do have a / of wishing with 2 wishes left - I guess I could wish for a silver flail?
13:58 <krm26> if in the early/mid game you collect arrows and darts it is common to find some fire, frost, or shock in addition to some silver
13:58 <krm26> no
13:58 <krm26> waste
13:58 <krm26> do what i said, surely there are 2 silver arrows or 2 silver darts lying around the dungeon someplace you remember
13:58 <krm26> those will turn into a silver club and then a silver aklys
13:59 <dbanethacker> Yeah I've encountered a bunch of gnolls who left flails.
14:00 <krm26> by the time you are done untrapping goblintown and the mines you almost always have a few silver arrows or darts
14:01 <dbanethacker> Good to know!
14:01 <krm26> (if you are a role with basic or better shuriken then silver shuriken is the answer of course)
14:01 <krm26> dagger + 2 darts
14:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:120763 (1 day, 17:51:30)
14:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:121193 (1 day, 17:58:39)
14:29 <K2> [backscroll] hah could you imagine getting orcus town as one of the mine town variants?
14:29 <K2> o
14:29 <K2> m
14:29 <K2> g
14:29 <K2> nope right outta there
14:30 <K2> random goblin town map is coming along nicely
14:31 <K2> only doing one extra variation, not 2
14:31 <krm26> one goblin town should be a santa's elves workshop that the goblin king has taken over
14:31 <dbanethacker> Oh, my AC is -44 if that helps against Orcus?
14:31 <K2> hahah
14:31 <K2> dbanethacker yeah
14:31 <krm26> yes, -44ac is about as good as you ever need for anything
14:31 <K2> he's still going to get in some hits, but that's respectable
14:32 <dbanethacker> but with only 138 HP and a = of regeneration on, is that enough to fight him hand to hand?  Or do I need the aklys strategy?
14:32 <K2> orcus can drain your max hp fairly quickly
14:32 <dbanethacker> bummer
14:33 <K2> try to get your max hp up if you can, otherwise work out a ranged strategy
14:33 <dbanethacker> not sure about getting max HP up
14:33 <dbanethacker> Guess I'll go for ranged strategy
14:36 <krm26> yeah your hp is low
14:48 <dbanethacker> Who came up with a shadow dragon's blast that drains your level?
14:48 <dbanethacker> I'm back to experience level 10, alas.
14:51 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, shadow dragon scales for a Valk.  I wonder if it's worth putting on my armor?
14:51 <krm26> aren't they great! gotta close to melee range or be drain resistant
14:51 <krm26> it puts you in permanent darkness
14:51 <krm26> so, great for drow
14:51 <krm26> ok for ilithid
14:51 <dbanethacker> And for a Valk?
14:51 <krm26> can be a bit of a pain for others
14:51 <krm26> drow/ilithid are races, not roles
14:52 <krm26> i would not recommend
14:52 <krm26> but if you aren't drain resistant and wanna be a greased blessed fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay is always a great wish
14:53 <krm26> honestly the castle wand should be removed and replaced with two sokoban-like closets, one with a dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance and one with a dragonhide t-shirt of esp :-)
14:53 <krm26> loggers will LOVE that suggestion
14:53 <krm26> as will all giants
14:56 <krm26> omigod! finally found magic missile at vlads!
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14:58 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, my grey-scaled armor canceled the nurse before I could get it off.  Now she's hitting me, not healing me.  No ! of restore ability - guess I have to run away?
15:05 <krm26> spell or potion, those are your choices if you want to dance with her
15:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:122695 (1 day, 18:40:35)
15:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:122706 (1 day, 18:41:12)
15:16 <qt> still no movement on vanilla PRs #1091 and #1092... I thought they were pretty straightforward bug fixes. Well, #1092 the new macro may be excessive since it's used in only 2 places, but I thought it helped with readability
15:16 <dbanethacker> spell?  Can I cast a Restore Ability spell on a nurse?
15:16 <qt> but I had expected they'd be merged (or Pat would commit his own version, maybe) within like a day
15:16 <krm26> dbanethacker yes
15:16 <dbanethacker> D'oh!
15:16 <dbanethacker> Ok, that will help, thanks.
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15:17 <dbanethacker> Hey, when you use up a nurse and they are no longer on your level, where do they go?  To another level?  Or just into the ether?
15:18 <K2> qt what are the PR's about?
15:18 <krm26> gone dbanethacker
15:18 <qt> dbanethacker: when they vanish you mean? they just get removed from play
15:18 <Loggers_VIII> dbanethacker ether
15:18 <dbanethacker> Yeah, when they vanish.  Now I know they're truly gone (sob)
15:18 <qt> K2: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/1092 something I was talking about in here the other day, monsters can become permanently blind (as krm26 found out with his pet) but then get unblinded by being blinded a second time
15:18 <K2> oh weird
15:19 <qt> K2: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/1091 and this is another Evilhack one we talked about, the thing with zombie form bones
15:19 <dbanethacker> Perhaps they could go to another level instead?  But wait, then it wouldn't be EVILhack
15:20 <K2> 1091 I added to evilhack a lil while ago
15:20 <krm26> that is vanilla behavior dbanethacker
15:20 <K2> i should grab 1092
15:20 <krm26> i'm not sure permanent blinding for monsters should exist at all
15:21 <krm26> in vanilla or evilhack
15:21 <qt> it barely ever happens, you have to flash them with a camera right up close
15:21 <qt> (or in evilhack I guess with a wand of light)
15:21 <krm26> i think its existence is unintentional, just wasn't thought through in original implementation
15:21 <qt> it's not unintentional, there's a comment about it
15:22 <terrapin> is cure blindness directional in evil?
15:22 <qt> Bitfield(mcansee, 1);   /* cansee 1, temp.blinded 0, blind 0 */
15:22 <K2> terrapin no, its vanilla behavior
15:22 <qt> at least I read that as meaning "value is 1 if the monster can see, 0 if it's temporary blinded, and 0 if it's permanently blind"
15:23 <terrapin> i feel like if restore ability and cure sickness are, it would make sense for cure blindness to be as well
15:23 <qt> and the way it sets it permanently blind if you're close enough isn't just a side effect of some "nearness -> increase value" function, it's a ternary thing that intentionally does it
15:23 <qt> so I'm pretty sure it's deliberate
15:23 <qt> I don't really see the harm in it
15:24 <qt> it could be useful for the hero and it's not something that can happen to your pets in vanilla. evilhack is a different story so maybe it should be reconsidered there, but I assume there are ways to cure it too
15:24 <terrapin> and it would give cure blindness an actual use case (albeit a rare one)
15:24 <K2> yeah sounds good
15:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2192 points, T:1618, killed by spear trap
15:24 <qt> (well, it could happen to your pets if you intentionally flash them with a camera at extremely close range)
15:25 <krm26> grazzzzzzzzzzzzt
15:26 <K2> \o/
15:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 556 points, T:841, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food
15:28 <dbanethacker> wow - lava gremlins - who thinks of these things?
15:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 406 points, T:1056, killed by a purple worm
15:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 43 points, T:91, killed by a fox
15:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 329 points, T:435, killed by an arrow
15:36 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, can I #forge an silver aklys with Keolewa and a silver flail?
15:36 <krm26> nope
15:36 <krm26> you can't just use any club either, needs to be metal
15:36 <terrapin> just find some random arrows and bolts
15:36 <krm26> hence my recommendation to forge a club
15:37 <dbanethacker> Bummer - I'll drop Keolewa
15:37 <dbanethacker> and yes, I'll make a metal / silver club
15:37 <krm26> only the secondary item needs to be silver
15:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:881 (0:04:00)
15:39 <krm26> hmmm
15:40 <krm26> i wonder if i should helmet up and try to get hammer of the gods components or just stick lucifer with luck blade/angelslayer a whole bunch
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> luck blade/angelslayer ftw!
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> even though it sounds kind of like suicide
15:42 <krm26> it does doesnt it :-)
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> also, why the hell are you using luck blade? lol
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> is there nothing better
15:42 <krm26> because i made armor of retribution right away
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> then forge a silver broadsword of shock or something
15:42 <krm26> which means i am choosing between luck blade, stormbringer, and angelslayer
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> if you're that stormbringer-averse
15:43 <krm26> i used stormbringer for vlad's tower
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> oh you mean the place where everyone is drain resistant? lol
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> why
15:43 <krm26> because *i* am not drain resistant
15:43 <krm26> been saving my wishes like a chump
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> I can't believe you didn't wish for a shirt of decay
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> that's like your special move
15:44 <krm26> i've used just one wish, for phul
15:44 <krm26> not used any others because i havent decided what to wear for lucy's ball
15:44 <krm26> also i'd really like to make ithilmar. but if i go lawful and get grayswandir, i'm still short vorpal, which i would need to wish for
15:44 <Loggers_VIII> seriously, forge a broadsword of shock or frost or something instead of luck blade
15:45 <terrapin> a plain silver broadsword would be better than luck blade
15:45 <krm26> yeah luck blade is a piece of crap
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> luck blade does have a damage bonus!
15:45 <krm26> but at least it is heavy
15:45 <terrapin> better than stormbringer too (yeah, i went there, Loggers! :P)
15:45 <krm26> and i havent had to carry a luckstone
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> stfu terrapin stormbringer is funny >:(
15:46 <krm26> irritating there is no way for me to become neutral (or that vorpal isnt unaligned)
15:46 <Loggers_VIII> no neutral altar in the dungeon?
15:46 <terrapin> silver is +1d20 damage bonus vs. enemies-that-actually-matter until after lucy
15:46 <krm26> oh i'm not gonna really convert, just talking helming
15:46 <Loggers_VIII> but... stormbringerrr
15:46 <terrapin> lol I thought helmet up was some sort of figure of speech I hadn't heard before
15:46 <Loggers_VIII> I'm attached to stormy it's the reason I can win con dro
15:47 <Loggers_VIII> heh
15:47 <krm26> alright i think i'll try to helm up hammer
15:48 <Loggers_VIII> you really don't need it
15:48 <Loggers_VIII> it'll take forever since you've already gotten so many gifts
15:48 <krm26> you're saying that to the guy who has had two prince buddies for lucifer after two turns engaged
15:48 <krm26> i've got plenty of time, it is only turn 120k
15:48 <Loggers_VIII> you're saying that to the guy who has had two prince buddies for lucifer after two turns engaged
15:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) polymorphed her first object, on T:4315 (0:15:44)
15:49 <krm26> well no matter what i should prolly kill grazzt first
15:49 <Loggers_VIII> kill him!
15:49 <Loggers_VIII> if you have 25 Cha you should be able to resist graz'zt's seduction attempts
15:49 <Loggers_VIII> ^ actual YANI this time for once
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15:50 <krm26> no, you just make his seduction occur more frequently
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15:50 <Loggers_VIII> okay what's the lowest Cha can go to
15:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4323 (0:50:44)
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15:51 <Loggers_VIII> if you have the lowest possible Cha he just shit talks you and isn't interested
15:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4609 (0:52:43)
15:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided basilisks, on T:123342 (1 day, 19:25:26)
15:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided cockatrices, on T:123342 (1 day, 19:25:30)
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6638 points, T:5299, killed by a soldier ant
16:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 272 points, T:707, diseased by a diseased gnome corpse, while praying
16:09 <krm26> i hate player monsters with wands of digging
16:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 12 points, T:117, killed by a boulder
16:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 534 points, T:876, killed by an elf zombie
16:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha), 9278 points, T:7793, killed by a honey badger
16:15 <Loggers_VIII> honey badgers are scary
16:15 <xdminsy> What's those.
16:16 <xdminsy> @honey badger
16:16 <terrapin> two honey badgers and a leocrotta with an owlbear waiting upstairs is scarier
16:16 <xdminsy> @e?honey badger
16:16 <Hecubus> honey badger (r) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d6 bite physical, 2d8 claw physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, tunnels, tunnels, thick hide, infravis
16:16 <terrapin> probably should have chanced the owlbear
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16:18 <xdminsy> The magicbane is now a staff, but seems it's damage is about the same as dagger magicbane.
16:19 <Loggers_VIII> athame damage is 1d4 1d3, quarterstaff is 1d6 1d6
16:19 <Loggers_VIII> so a little bit better
16:19 <Loggers_VIII> but obviously it's two handed which is a bit of a disadvantage
16:19 <K2> Loggers_VIII you gonna like new gtown map
16:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1859 points, T:1823, killed by an orc zombie, while fainted from lack of food
16:19 <Loggers_VIII> I'd be impressed if you managed to make a level I didn't like
16:20 <Loggers_VIII> why, does it have a guaranteed hammer and a stack of bolts arrows and darts?
16:20 <Loggers_VIII> :p
16:20 <K2> it has them
16:20 <K2> guaranteed? hrm
16:21 <Loggers_VIII> oh wow it actually does have them? wonderful
16:21 <Loggers_VIII> whether it's guaranteed or not doesn't matter. I'm a gambling man :)
16:21 <krm26> hammer in lava so all you have to do is freeze the lava and dig for the hammer. you can make a pickaxe to dig with using the forge!
16:21 <K2> some things will be the same between the two maps, like types of traps, monsters, etc
16:21 <K2> the layout though is completely different
16:21 <Loggers_VIII> what, you're telling me the goblin king is gonna be on the new one???
16:22 <K2> yeah
16:22 <krm26> goblin queen!
16:22 <K2> why wouldnt he be?
16:22 <Loggers_VIII> dammit krm26 you stole my joke >:(
16:22 <krm26> goblin seneschal, the king is out on holidays
16:22 <Loggers_VIII> hahaha
16:23 <krm26> is the mighty oz in a closet behind the goblin king on this new map?
16:23 <Loggers_VIII> hopefully in the new version killing the goblin king will finally allow me to genocide o
16:23 <K2> doh
16:23 <K2> he's not that powerful hahah
16:24 <Loggers_VIII> lol
16:24 <krm26> throne room full of turkeys when you get the gobbler king instead
16:24 <Loggers_VIII> what if he's just holding back? "I'm only using 1% of my true power" type deal
16:24 <krm26> actually isnt there a variant with turkeys?
16:24 <Loggers_VIII> probably
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16:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a spellbook of repair armor given to her by Thoth, on T:41508 (6:50:13)
16:27 <xdminsy> Nah, I can get spellbook gift...
16:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1035 points, T:1721, killed by a fall onto poison spikes
16:29 <xdminsy> Will a wizard get gift books even reach level 26?
16:30 <xdminsy> Or maybe after all artifacts gifted?
16:31 <krm26> just occasionally when not receiving artifact
16:32 <krm26> ugh this level is no fun for boulder forting grazzt
16:32 <mobileuser> uh oh
16:33 <krm26> and i forgot my wand of probing
16:33 <krm26> gonna be here all day
16:33 <xdminsy> Can I kill Oracle easily with my magic missile?
16:33 <terrapin> @e?oracle
16:33 <Hecubus> Oracle (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 0 | Res: sleep poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d6 cast clerical, 2d6 cast spell, 8d8 passive magic missile | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis
16:34 <terrapin> no, she resists it
16:34 <xdminsy> Sadly.
16:34 <terrapin> fire or cold would work great though
16:35 <xdminsy> Okay, I have a freeze sphere magic..
16:35 <xdminsy> Could it help?
16:35 <krm26> unlikely to be sufficient in and of itself
16:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Graz'zt, on T:125826 (1 day, 20:07:21)
16:35 <krm26> HUZZAH
16:35 <terrapin> if you have a magic whistle, cast it like 8 times, walk up to the oracle, whistle them in, and leave
16:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 34 points, T:178, killed by a carnivorous bag
16:36 <terrapin> \o/
16:36 <krm26> what terrapin says is the way to do it with that crappy spell for sure
16:36 <xdminsy> Let me see, seems I dont have one.
16:36 <krm26> well now i have dirge i guess i could get crowned for long sword skill
16:36 <terrapin> they don't time out if you're not on the level so you can get arbitrarily large numbers of them with patience and food
16:37 <krm26> i think dirge/angelslayer sounds pretty good
16:38 <xdminsy> I think I now need go quest straight.
16:38 <xdminsy> Is wizard quest as easy as in 3.7?
16:38 <terrapin> hard no
16:38 <krm26> if you don't let the dark one eat your brains
16:38 <terrapin> the nemesis is an illithid
16:38 <krm26> and he doesn't cast you into oblivion
16:39 <xdminsy> noooo, seems hard opponent.
16:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 740 points, T:1086, killed by a sewer rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze
16:39 <xdminsy> @e?The Dark One
16:39 <Hecubus> No such monster.
16:39 <xdminsy> @e?Dark One
16:39 <Hecubus> Dark One (h) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 12 | Res: petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d6 claw amulet steal, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -10 | omnivore, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis
16:39 <xdminsy> Emmm, but seems just like a plain alhoon.
16:40 <Noisytoot> @e?alhoon
16:40 <Hecubus> alhoon (h) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -6 | Atk: 1d10 weapon physical, 5d6 touch cold, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -15 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, seeinvis, poisonous, covetous, infravis
16:40 <Noisytoot> faster but otherwise less strong
16:40 <Noisytoot> except for the double spellcasting attacks
16:41 <K2> gotta run, will have new gtown map finished soon
16:41 <K2> o/
16:41 <xdminsy> o/
16:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:43169 (7:09:45)
16:46 <xdminsy> Well I hate Thoth too.
16:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:126344 (1 day, 20:19:02)
16:47 <xdminsy> Those gods have no mercy :P
16:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) genocided black dragons, on T:126348 (1 day, 20:19:21)
16:47 <krm26> nice grazzt throne!
16:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:82234 (18:16:28)
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17:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2061 (0:37:28)
17:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:83130 (18:28:22)
17:08 <bouquet> damn, bumped into the invisible Kathryn.
17:08 <bouquet> now she's pissed. Any way to pacify her?
17:08 <xdminsy> With your stormy?
17:09 <bouquet> no, she was invisible and I don't have see invis
17:10 <xdminsy> I see, maybe just run away?
17:10 <xdminsy> @e?Kathryn
17:10 <Hecubus> No such monster.
17:11 <xdminsy> @e?Kathryn The Entrantress
17:11 <Hecubus> Kathryn The Entrantress ~2~ Kathryn the Enchantress (@) | Lvl: 100 | Diff: 104 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison acid petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 100 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 10d10 weapon physical, 10d10 cast clerical, 10d10 cast spell | Align: 15 | omnivore, flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly
17:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Fem Una) made her first wish - "cursed greased fixed +2 magical dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:2163 (0:43:35)
17:11 <xdminsy> MR 100, maybe no way to pacfiy her?
17:13 <bouquet> I got away, but I didn't get a chance to look in the loot
17:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a bone dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:48332 (7:37:19)
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17:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:83753 (18:39:18)
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17:18 <xdminsy> Seems you can teleport the entrantress and then take items.
17:18 <krm26> does cursed invis reliably wake up rodney?
17:19 <bouquet> it does.
17:19 <bouquet> are you outside the tower?
17:19 <krm26> yes, talking about from outside
17:19 <krm26> i seem to remember mixed success but i could be hallucinating
17:19 <bouquet> I think so...
17:19 <krm26> i have definitely had him wake up due to monster activity and jump me early
17:20 <bouquet> I've definitely done it from outside the tower with a drum of earthquake
17:20 <bouquet> or maybe that was vecna
17:20 <krm26> vecna requires gjallar
17:20 <krm26> earthquake and invis will not spring him
17:20 <bouquet> then it was rodney
17:21 <terrapin> there used to be a bug where the lava moat around his tower counted as part of his tower, so aggravating monsters would wake him from there. but it's fixed
17:21 <terrapin> earthquake works vs. vecna
17:21 <krm26> (but not from upstairs)
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17:21 <bouquet> ^^that. I'm just too lazy to walk through vecna's dumb castle.
17:23 <mobileuser6> I thought cursed invis outside the tower didn't work for rodney
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17:25 <Noisytoot> technically it is possible to slime her, but you're likely to die while trying to do so
17:25 <krm26> dunno, now i've got bouquet yes, mobileuser no, and me senile
17:26 <mobileuser> try it for SCIENCE
17:28 <bouquet> fyi, you can't teleport madkathryn away.
17:28 <terrapin> yeah she has teleport control
17:28 <terrapin> 12/13 chance she'll pop up next to you, like a Rider
17:29 <krm26> what you can do is confused tame the pegasus/i first and whistle them out to fight for you
17:29 <bouquet> but I want the sack
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17:29 <krm26> in FACT, if you are lucky, you can confused tame the pegasus, have it pick up the crystal chest, whistle it out and be done
17:30 <krm26> with clairvoyance you can watch to make sure you get it
17:30 <bouquet> hmmm
17:30 <krm26> how is that for cheese
17:30 <bouquet> creamy
17:30 <krm26> (i've done the confused tame/whistle early but not grabbing the chest, that is just theory)
17:32 <Noisytoot> how heavy are crystal chests and what's the carrycap of a pegasus?
17:32 <terrapin> the pegasus picks up crystal chests all the time
17:32 <terrapin> it's definitely doable
17:33 <krm26> pegasus can pick up the moon
17:34 <Umbire> I imagine a normal horse could pick them up too, provided you had one by the time you got to a crystal chest
17:35 <krm26> yeah, you can see that happen with aphrodite
17:37 <krm26> wth
17:38 <krm26> tymore gave me the gift of stealth twice
17:38 <krm26> in a ROW
17:38 <krm26> regifter
17:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of esp", on T:127478 (1 day, 21:10:53)
17:43 <krm26> great, player monster generated near me, quaffed invis, djinni, wish, activate figurine of archon
17:44 <krm26> sadly the archon did not them attack me with demonbane or sunsword
17:46 <Noisytoot> krm26: I don't think that should be possible
17:46 <Noisytoot> If you already have telepathy/speed/stealth it should grant protection
17:47 <krm26> and yet
17:47 <krm26> two stealth in a row
17:48 <Noisytoot> Is there any way you could have lost stealth? That seems like a bug
17:48 <krm26> it was like 10 turns apart, so no
17:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Tymora, on T:128046 (1 day, 21:23:30)
17:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:51582 (8:18:24)
17:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide elven helm of decay", on T:128137 (1 day, 21:27:10)
17:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:128153 (1 day, 21:28:53)
18:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:51848 (8:24:45)
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18:11 <bouquet> I can sneak around Kathryn and teleport the dogs away. Then boulder fort against the bars and snatch the goods. 
18:11 <bouquet> Does that sound like a bad idea?
18:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:53481 (8:37:46)
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18:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a mithril dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:53771 (8:39:58)
18:16 <xdminsy> Nah enless daggers.
18:20 <Umbire> Daggers are good for wizards, at worst they're crafting material for other weapons
18:20 <Umbire> bouquet, I don't think the boulders will remove the bars
18:20 <Umbire> unless I'm misunderstanding (I probably am)
18:21 <Noisytoot> I think the boulders are anti-Kathryn defenses
18:21 <bouquet> no, just to shield myself from her while I swipe the bag
18:21 <bouquet> could be a game ending move, though
18:22 <xdminsy> What weapons should I wizard need?
18:22 <bouquet> I think the dogs can be pacified by defeating them
18:22 <bouquet> xdminsy: shuriken and magicbane
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18:22 <xdminsy> I think I wanna the staff of archmagi.
18:22 <xdminsy> Ah okay, I'd forge some shurikens.
18:24 <bouquet> oh ya, that's a dope staff
18:29 <K2> dope
18:31 <xdminsy> What means "You decide not to force the issue.".
18:34 <Umbire> You used #force in a place where it isn't applicable
18:34 <Umbire> #force is generally used for prying open locked chests and... I think a couple other things?
18:35 <xdminsy> My fault, I just typed #for... :P
18:35 <xdminsy> I thought it was forge :(
18:37 <Umbire> #For can autocomplete to either force or forge
18:37 <Umbire> it's why Hack'EM moved it to #craft :B
18:37 <xdminsy> Lol I can get it.
18:39 <xdminsy> I got a poison blast magic, tried it to deal with zoo, but seems not enough damage..
18:39 <xdminsy> Maybe I need other blast.
18:40 <xdminsy> Can poison blast do instadeath?
18:40 <xdminsy> Maybe same as stinking cloud, but I don't see stinking cloud ever instakill one..
18:41 <xdminsy> Or maybe cuz I used to play 3.7, nahh.
18:43 <Umbire> Stinking clouds can still kill monsters with poison
18:43 <Umbire> Unless they're breathless or poison resistant
18:43 <Umbire> They also have to stay in the cloud
18:44 <xdminsy> So is that safe to boulder fort and use poison blast to kill Dark One?
18:48 <bouquet> is the dark one susceptible to poison?
18:49 <xdminsy> I remeber maybe he has only stone resistance maybe.
18:49 <xdminsy> @e?Dark One
18:49 <Hecubus> Dark One (h) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 12 | Res: petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d6 claw amulet steal, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -10 | omnivore, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis
18:49 <xdminsy> I have no mithril darts now, I forged 40 silver shurikens.
18:50 <xdminsy> Need to find one potion of sickness..
18:52 <bouquet> dark one is pretty tough in hand to hand.
18:52 <bouquet> zaps are the way to go. I think I defeated him with a bunch of lightning wands once.
18:53 <Umbire> Yeah absolutely do not melee him if you can avoid it
18:54 <Umbire> magic missile won't work but several other attack spells can
18:54 <xdminsy> Emmm force bolt??
18:54 <xdminsy> Lol.
18:54 <xdminsy> I have only poison blast now, I'm not sure where to get books.
18:55 <xdminsy> Maybe just wish markers later.
18:55 <xdminsy> Maybe I should go castle first, I have only -17 AC now..
18:57 <Noisytoot> force bolt is resisted by MR, so if magic missile won't work, neither will force bolt
18:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 8978 points, T:9313, killed by a jabberwock
18:57 <Noisytoot> it'll also destroy boulder forts
18:58 <Umbire> literally any wand/attack spell other than force bolt or magic missile is fine lol
19:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Fem Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2458 (1:01:44)
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19:07 <bouquet> cursed tele and cursed gain level work in Kathryn's lair in wiz mode. Will they work in regular play?
19:13 <bouquet> I never trust those functions to translate to regular game play
19:14 <Noisytoot> set flags.debug = 0 and try in non-wiz-mode?
19:16 <terrapin> yes, they work on kathryn's floor
19:17 <bouquet> ok, here goes nothing.
19:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Fem Una), 7268 points, T:4003, killed by a plains centaur
19:29 <bouquet> didn't need them. She wandered off
19:31 <Umbire> Wait, why were you worrying about her in the first place
19:31 <Umbire> You an infidel?
19:33 <bouquet> I angered her after I pacified her.
19:33 <bouquet> and she's mean.
19:33 <bouquet> she's invis and I don't yet have see invis intrinsic. Bumped into her.
19:34 <Umbire> Ahhhh.
19:34 <Umbire> Yeah.
19:34 <Umbire> That'll do it - no pots of see invis?
19:34 <bouquet> but at least it's not too bad of a game ending move.
19:34 <Umbire> No ring, didn't crown?
19:34 <bouquet> turned them all into water.
19:34 <Umbire> ...why???
19:34 <bouquet> no ring, no crown.
19:34 <bouquet> because eventually I get the intrinsic
19:35 <bouquet> going to crown for stormy since sacrificing isn't delivering much.
19:35 <Umbire> I'd rather get it sooner and have a backup pot than risk that
19:35 <bouquet> I have warning so invisible bad stuff already shows up as a number.
19:35 <bouquet> she's the only invis peaceful I think?
19:38 <Noisytoot> bones can have invis peacefuls
19:42 <bouquet> tru
19:42 <K2> ya know what... there's no good reason for kathryn to stay invis once she transitions from the ice queen to the enchantress
19:42 <bouquet> in any case, I was trying my luck and failed. At least I got out alive
19:42 <K2> i'll fix that
19:43 <K2> one-liner
19:43 <K2> mtmp->minvis = 0;
19:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "sdflkj", on T:6155 (0:51:41)
19:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 10418 points, T:6167, killed by the Goblin King
19:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:85566 (19:46:30)
19:55 <K2> nice
19:55 <K2> alrighty, lemme finish up this new gtown map
19:56 <K2> just need to place the occupants
20:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3303 (0:21:40)
20:15 <Umbire> Nice nice
20:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3732 (0:26:51)
20:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3969 (0:30:25)
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21:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:63326 (11:25:11)
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21:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 282 points, T:593, killed by a piranha
21:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8295 (1:21:11)
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21:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:130036 (1 day, 22:33:54)
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21:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:130066 (1 day, 22:35:12)
21:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:130244 (1 day, 22:36:53)
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21:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:64778 (12:04:35)
21:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:64781 (12:04:41)
21:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1328 points, T:1526, killed by a death ray
21:46 <xdminsy> Nahh death ray.
21:46 <terrapin> -_-
21:46 <terrapin> the goblin king deserves a win once in a while, I guess
21:47 <xdminsy> Goblin king can generated with one wand of death?
21:47 <xdminsy> That's evil :P.
21:48 <xdminsy> I wear a pair of goggles, but still cannot see mind flayer larvas.
21:48 <terrapin> goggles allow you to see underwater beyond one square
21:49 <terrapin> but you have to be in deep water for them to have any effect
21:49 <xdminsy> Nah, seems not so useful.
21:49 <terrapin> in a nutshell
21:50 <terrapin> they're the sort of thing you take on the ascension run because why not? and any edge you can get on the Planes is worth it. but otherwise there's not much call for them
21:51 <xdminsy> Lol, I carry everything with me :P
21:52 <xdminsy> Carry every different mithril tool is cool.
21:52 <terrapin> i find myself becoming more and more of a packrat
21:53 <terrapin> my very first ascension was an illithid and i played without gauntlets of power---600 aum carry cap all the way through. can't imagine that now
21:53 <xdminsy> Yes my inventory is like 995/1000..
21:54 <xdminsy> Maybe need to stash a lot and just carry only matter items.
21:55 <xdminsy> Meh, I killed poor Pug, he has so many items.
21:56 * terrapin gasps in horror
21:56 <Umbire> @e?Goblin King
21:56 <Hecubus> Goblin King (o) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: unique | AC: 7 | Atk: 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical | Align: -15 | omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravis
21:56 <Umbire> So fun fact, he absolutely can
21:57 <xdminsy> Lol let's nerf him to lvl 7.
22:03 <Umbire> It's a quite rare thing as it is, terrapin just got exceedingly unlucky
22:03 <nabru> A while ago I had a game where the Goblin King zapped me with polymorph
22:03 <Umbire> ^
22:05 <xdminsy> Isn't that only diff < 6 can have a chance to get one polymorph.
22:05 <xdminsy> Maybe killed a goblin and he pick it up.
22:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:86811 (20:09:29)
22:20 <terrapin> lol, werebane
22:20 <terrapin> it may be one of my last chances to say that!
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22:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:87187 (20:17:54)
22:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:87188 (20:18:08)
22:23 <Umbire> were any future plans for Werebane teased or?
22:23 <Umbire> s/Werebane/Werebane or werecreatures
22:24 <terrapin> shadowblade = werebane + stormy now
22:25 <Umbire> ...what?
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22:26 <Umbire> So Stormbringer's forging-only now?
22:26 <Umbire> And what of Grimtooth?
22:26 <Umbire> s/now/in the future potentially
22:27 <terrapin> stormy is unchanged
22:27 <terrapin> so is grimtooth, other than not being a shadowblade ingredient
22:28 <terrapin> it was recently noted that grimtooth can only be gifted to orcs, centaurs, and demons, which is a rather narrow range. so I guess k2 decided to kill two birds with one stone and make shadowblade more achievable and werebane less useless
22:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:66505 (12:50:57)
22:31 <K2> facts
22:31 <K2> new commit inbound in a few moments
22:32 <Umbire> I mean it can also be gifted to humans, can't it?
22:32 <Umbire> Anyone chaotic that isn't an elf/drow
22:32 <terrapin> nope
22:32 <Umbire> Or was there a related oversight being patched?
22:32 <terrapin> anyone who hates orcs can't get it
22:32 <Umbire> Oh well that's assy
22:32 <Umbire> understandable sadly
22:33 <k3ut0i> I roamed the entire dungeon looking for it, thinking it has been generated somewhere :(
22:35 <Umbire> Yeah that genuinely sucks shit, especially since Grimtooth is like, actually a decent out for high AC mons
22:37 <K2> welp... now we know
22:37 <K2> or should have known I suppose
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22:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3633 (0:44:34)
22:44 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±12] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/1475c1af05d8...290ff05c2731
22:44 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 290ff05 - New random Goblin Town map (top level).
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22:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a steel scale mail entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:88168 (20:39:29)
22:44 <terrapin> \o/
22:44 <terrapin> impeccable timing as always, Loggers
22:45 <K2> i think he has a script that makes him autojoin when a new commit drops
22:45 <Loggers_VIII> hah the same thing happened with the hidden dungeon commit
22:46 <Loggers_VIII> ooh, looks cool
22:46 <Loggers_VIII> and shop always a weapon shop! very nice
22:47 <K2> not always
22:47 <K2> it'll alternate between weapon and armor shop
22:47 <K2> original level will now alternate between regular shop and armor shop
22:47 <Loggers_VIII> oh oops didn't see the armor shop bit
22:48 <Loggers_VIII> that's convenient, the general store is not worth paying attention to early on I think
22:48 <Loggers_VIII> whereas weapon+armor shops have useful stuff for relatively cheap
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22:49 <K2> both top maps are now better as of today
22:50 <K2> err original
22:50 <K2> branch as a whole is better
22:50 <K2> more variation
22:50 <K2> i didnt have it in me to pump out a third map :)
22:51 <K2> between this, the hidden dungeon branch and wiz tower revamp, i am spent
22:51 <K2> (map wise)
22:51 <Loggers_VIII> lol
22:51 <K2> heh
22:51 <xdminsy> I like general shop that can let me price id.
22:51 <Loggers_VIII> price id is ok
22:51 <Loggers_VIII> but I like weapons and armor better
22:51 <K2> my intent is to get new version released soon after this weekend
22:52 <Loggers_VIII> yay
22:52 <K2> it wont be 0.9.0
22:52 <Loggers_VIII> I'll have to ascend hackem quickly
22:52 <K2> 0.8.3 instead
22:52 <xdminsy> The new map reminds me of, maybe ranger quest.
22:52 <K2> alright i gotta sleep, gnite all o/
22:53 <terrapin> 'night
22:53 <xdminsy> night k2 o/
22:54 <Loggers_VIII> night k2 o/
22:58 <Umbire> General store is fine for price ID purposes and other stuff
22:59 <Loggers_VIII> the only thing I use that general store to do is sell the potion of acid from the cell chest
22:59 <Loggers_VIII> and then I come back and kill the shopkeeper later
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23:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:92067 (1 day, 12:32:16)
23:04 <xdminsy> How to get every book?
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23:05 <xdminsy> I wanna a lot spells but don't wanna write :P.
23:05 <Umbire> Every book?
23:05 <Umbire> Oh, gonna have to farm altars and pray a bunch then lmao
23:05 <Umbire> Or go statue/priest hunting
23:05 <xdminsy> Ah yes, I found that player monsters can give me books.
23:06 <xdminsy> Priest give me two I think, wizard and infidel have one guranteed force bolt..
23:06 <xdminsy> Maybe yes, there seems be a lot spells that are useful AOE.
23:07 <xdminsy> In vanilla the attack school is almost only magic missile :P.
23:07 <xdminsy> The poison blast seems kill groups very quickly.
23:08 <bouquet> acid blast is the best offensive spell, IMO. Almost nothing is immune.
23:08 <xdminsy> I do want one lol, don't have now, maybe later i could write one.
23:13 <bouquet> is this castle Titan sitting on the throne a new thing?
23:14 <Umbire> Default positioning probably
23:14 <bouquet> he's not moving which is weird
23:14 <Umbire> Because he's still asleep
23:14 <bouquet> oh, now he is
23:14 <Umbire> Combat usually wakes most of the throne room monsters if an aggravate monsters casting doesn't
23:15 <bouquet> he was motionless on the throne so I thought it was a flavor thing.
23:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:92672 (1 day, 12:48:31)