00:00 i guess in vanilla maybe non-tameable == (unique || human)? 00:00 it's either wrong or redundant regardless 00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:20989 (4:04:26) 00:02 whatever is defined as non-tameable in tamedog() should probably closely match that in make_familiar() 00:03 same file 00:03 dog.c 00:03 yeah i've always found the different "levels of untameability" tricky to keep track of 00:03 i always wondered about that discrepancy. cant tame things like a beholder or an elder minotaur, but come across a blessed figurine, got one 00:04 it may be time to make a define in mondata.h of monsters that cant/shouldnt be tamed, then use that define where it counts. manage it all in one place vs several 00:05 makes sense 00:05 terrapin i merged your latest PR, thanks for that 00:06 yeah i saw. no problem! 00:06 \o/ 00:06 alright bed time for me, gnite and see you all later 00:06 'night 00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1261 (0:34:33) 00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha), 1205 points, T:1329, killed by a hill orc 00:09 l8rsk8r 00:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven long sword entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:69397 (14:30:50) 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:69733 (14:36:09) 00:23 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 00:30 Sleep well 00:34 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:37 non elves can still enchant elven armor to +7 right? only restriction is with dark elven ones. 00:40 Player race was never a factor in that, yes 00:40 just the dark elven stuff 00:40 (if even that, I haven't played them enough to know) 00:42 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 00:46 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:06 I hardly use reddit, if I'd post later some con dro tips, should I comment in my former post or start a new post? 01:12 New post 01:13 Thx Umbire. 01:16 np 01:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:45049 (20:32:08) 01:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:45104 (20:36:06) 01:39 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 01:42 Hi all  - any suggestions on how to quickly defeat an alhoon?  There's one waiting for me by the stairs 1 level down from the Valley of the Dead.  I came up 2 levels to regen hit points and noticed it sucked 5 points Intelligence that I also restored.  I also forgot some training, alas. 01:49 no cans of grease? If you have polymorph control, try becoming master mind flayer. 01:50 No cans of grease.  Master mind flayer?  Does that make me immune to Alhoon attacks? 01:50 Yes, I think you get psychic resistance. 01:50 I could burn a wish if there's something worthy of protection from Alhoons - I might need it in the future. 01:51 As a master mind flayer would I break out of my armor? 01:51 oilskin cloth elven helm? 01:51 No you can wear everything 01:59 Thanks for the suggestions - being a MMF worked. 02:14 IIRC, if you eat a black dragon you tend to get about 50% disintegration resistance added to your current value.  If you eat a tin of black dragon meat, do you get the same 50%? 02:15 To tin or not to tin - that is the question.... 02:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:23 Yes 02:23 Tinning is almost always more reasonable unless you're a very frequent caster and/or don't plan on eating for a while 02:29 Sure.  But do you get the same 50% addition to your resistance with a tin? 02:31 yes 02:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Baphomet, on T:46452 (21:35:43) 02:39 Thanks for the confirmation! 02:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:77437 (1 day, 0:24:19) 02:47 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7155 02:47 -!- Guest7155 has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 02:47 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:07 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:33 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:37 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:38 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:46 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:52 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:34 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 04:41 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:18 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:47 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:55 -!- billya has joined #evilhack 06:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:77861 (1 day, 1:07:53) 06:09 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:23 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:26 -!- billya has quit [Quit: Quit] 06:30 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 06:31 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Is it just a stream of game being played? 07:37 it is some twitch thing 07:37 for twitchers 07:37 as an old i know nothing else about it 07:39 https://nethackathon.org/about/ 07:39 I looked at the website and it just says: content creators will stream nethack. 07:39 not very informative considering content can range from "i pooped with the camera on" to years-long investigate journalism 07:39 everyone that signs up, they all share the one account, and hand off to the next streamer every 2 hours or so 07:40 its a round-robin kind of setup 07:40 Ah what if somebody ascend then. 07:40 Start a new game? 07:40 this iteration is being hosted on hardfought 07:40 xdminsy yes 07:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:27684 (5:03:35) 07:53 K2: I have compiled a local copy of EvilHack. It's also next on my list to try, but I'm trying to avoid having too many games at once.. 07:58 there's also been round robins played... most recently on NAO I think? 08:03 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 08:08 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:95910 (1 day, 2:24:58) 08:14 Noisytoot my apologies from yesterday. i sometimes get a bit defensive 08:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:17 morning 08:17 heya 08:19 wtf -- undead creatures are called forth from the grave! continuously happening on kathryn's level. 08:20 high level caster 08:20 but where! 08:20 oh i see 08:20 you're getting the message but cant see it 08:21 must be orcish high priest because i am using sting 08:21 even though i haven't been in his room yet 08:21 are they forming around you? 08:21 yup 08:21 huh 08:21 he can probably see you somehow through sting 08:21 "mutual telepathy"-style bug 08:21 is my shot in the dark 08:21 yeah that sounds like a logical explanation 08:21 can test that theory later 08:22 could also just straight up have a telepathy oprop, way less likely but possible 08:22 i just don't ever recall seeing that specific summon before, wraiths and zombies and crap 08:22 shouldn't be able to call undead on your precise location in either case 08:22 either general nasties or insects 08:23 krm26, I see it in Hack'EM, usually from other undead spellcasters 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:96527 (1 day, 2:39:39) 08:28 chaotic priests can summon undead in evilhack 08:29 or other high level chaotic cleric type casters 08:29 (or unaligned) 08:29 morning. 08:29 o/ 08:30 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 08:30 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:31 -!- Loggers_IX is now known as Loggers_VIII 08:31 amazing that i have never seen that before in all my games, pretty cool 08:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 273 points, T:989, killed by a bone orcish dagger 08:35 krm26 its because you kill them too quickly :P 08:39 that seems unlikely! i am the slowest of the slow 08:39 krm26 I wonder if they can be an unlimited source of wraiths 08:40 seems like 08:40 i wont break 19 so they weren't very useful to me tho 08:40 hmm. i wonder if i'm gonna be using luck blade to ascend 08:40 luckblade/sting is my whole-game weapon combo so far 08:41 they can be unlimited wraiths but I think they have the graveyard chance of dropping corpses 08:41 even when lured to other levels? 08:41 I'm not sure I haven't tried that 08:42 K2 that tracks 08:42 but you could well be right, the one game I had them they almost never dropped corpses 08:43 krm26 surely a HoOA will solve that problem 08:43 if i ever get one 08:44 you could always sac for stormbringer and unlock long sword skill with crowning 08:44 stormbringer is a broadsword? 08:45 yeah 08:45 oh you mean have it in inventory to get longsword 08:45 exactly 08:45 but no longsword unless i get hooa and get sunsword i guess 08:46 you can just use a regular one? 08:46 right but who cares about unlocking longsword without an artifact longsword to use? 08:46 bruh soa 08:46 i am an ilithid wearing retribution 08:46 oh 08:46 ooh 08:46 cool 08:46 never got any gauntlets of power 08:46 yeah you're shit out of luck :) 08:46 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:47 How to pacify that orc shopkeepers in goblin town? 08:47 could i use hammer of the gods once chaotic again? 08:47 I carry Orcrist into that shop again. 08:47 They shouldn't be hostile in the firsst place unless-- 08:47 you did exactly that lmao. 08:48 charm monster/taming if you are lucky 08:48 Nah, sadly, I did that in previous game, and this game too. 08:48 It's my only place to price-id tho :P 08:48 MR 50, so not at all guaranteed 08:49 i guess i have no forges left anyway so hammer or shadowblade is moot 08:49 Shopkeepers won't get out? 08:51 ? 08:51 Nah, maybe they are caught by webs. 08:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:02 krm26 did you see the bit about the convict quest artifact? 09:07 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:11 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 09:13 can golden nagas cast touch of death 09:13 they would have to be high enough level 09:13 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 09:14 typically no 09:14 but could they 09:14 ah high enough level 09:14 if high enough level, yeah 09:14 :P 09:14 but they don't have hands, literally unplayable 09:14 k2, saw you did something shirty but did not investigate details so as not to be sad about my current convict :-) 09:15 heheh 09:15 tl;dr the convict quest artifact is now top tier 09:15 so, convicts can't tame anything but rats through normal pet taming means, right? 09:15 can tame spiders if drow 09:15 but yeah other than that no 09:15 spiders or cave lizards if drow 09:16 actually, maybe orcish ones can tame wargs? 09:16 krm26, see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/142bb24508fcc7727259b803a8b1ecf4c60c57b9 and https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c7d989e05ca1fa3fc342f60beb44278aa7e175fa in that order 09:16 was your idea :P 09:17 Loggers_VIII yeah orcish could tame a warg 09:17 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:18 Ah so that means you need to kill all shopkeepers if wanna enter shop :P 09:18 Lol real convict, do some crimes. 09:18 or be extra sneaky yeah 09:19 that's a nice change k2 09:20 something else i thought might be cool for the shirt (although would have basically 0 game impact) is nutrition never dropping below 0 when wearing it no matter what 09:20 obviously people still wouldnt want to run around perma-weak 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:100066 (1 day, 3:38:21) 09:24 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:24 ah, angelslayer, you can start the asc run now 09:25 i love angelslayer but i just cant even with a basic skill primary weapon, miss everything and its mother if increase accuracy isnt edible 09:26 i think the convict quest artifact being a shirt now vs iron ball makes it pretty powerful as is 09:26 will it maintain curse-on-invoke? 09:26 by the time you make it to the quest, hunger isnt really an issue 09:27 there is no curse on invoke, that was a ball/chain thing 09:30 but think of how easily I could farm the 8 ball if I didn't have to pray for food 09:30 ikr? 09:30 * K2 hands Loggers_VIII a ring of slow digestion 09:30 I used a ring of slow digestion, I deemed it unsatisfactory 09:31 if I poly into a demon or something and wear unchanging would I not lose nutrition? 09:31 depends what you do 09:31 wear TWO rings of slow digestion! 09:31 they fixed that I think krm26 09:32 does shaking the 8-ball use nutrition... 09:32 no 09:32 then a demon should do fine I think 09:32 cool 09:33 does hackem have 8 ball? 09:33 yes, but 09:33 no wishes 09:33 awwww what? 09:33 lol 09:33 why not 09:33 hahah 09:33 DENIED 09:33 yeah because the 8 ball is such an op strat 09:34 i should change the odds 09:34 100k to 1mil 09:34 :P 09:34 no 09:35 i will smite you 09:35 smite me, oh mighty smiter! 09:36 * Loggers_VIII fries k2 with a bolt of lightning 09:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6pGu4EtjdQ 09:38 lol 09:41 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 09:41 * xdminsy look around 09:45 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:46 I don't think hackem has an 8-ball artifact 09:46 no, but it has a non-artifact 8-ball 09:46 the oracle just has an ordinary 8-ball 09:46 yes 09:46 no wishes 09:48 does still give you fotunes 09:48 * fortunes 09:52 It's ironic that the striped shirt of liberation can't be removed. Not very liberating. 09:52 I thought the same thing 09:53 convicts are nevernudes 09:53 you can liberate yourself from it with polymorph, though 09:53 I found that I can mount gargantuan spiders. 09:54 They are quite fast. 09:54 Can foocubi remove it? 09:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:55 it can still be stolen, but I'm not sure if that extends to foocubi 09:55 are hardfought servers online? 09:55 Maybe not really need to remove it? 09:55 !who 09:55 k3ut0i: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] xdminsy [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 09:56 i live here 09:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:82432 (1 day, 3:15:30) 09:58 Hmm, the game decided I should not get grimtooth. I seem to have everything else :| 09:59 well, this means you can definitely get it now :) 10:00 Maybe I'll come back to farm for it after clearing vecna and valley 10:00 could have been generated elsewhere... 10:01 Thats a horrifying thought :( I'll have to clear the whole dungeon for it 10:01 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:01 you'll know for sure with your next gift. If every eligible artifact has been generated, you'll be given a regular weapon but you'll get the "use my gift wisely" message instead of the "valorously" one 10:02 and it'll always have an oprop 10:02 i don't believe in grimtooth, been sacrificing for 70k turns without it :-) 10:02 I'm grimtooth-agnostic 10:03 it used to be more powerful, but was nerfed a bit 10:03 You always play drow, so you should actually believe. 10:04 if you can prove to me it exists maybe 10:05 I prophesize one of these days, an orc will insta-kill your drow with it. 10:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:06 I look forward to it :) 10:06 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:06 Tombstone message will be the witness to all that loggers finally believes in grimtooth. 10:07 lol 10:09 maybe k2 accidentally deleted grimtooth 10:09 Why is one giant watchman peaceful? 10:09 Cuz I'm riding? 10:09 Or invisible. 10:10 they still generate peaceful, it's just when they see you that they become hostile 10:10 if you're faster than them they might not have noticed you, same for if you're invisible 10:11 Ah so I see that I can invisible and ride a spider to buy protection here. 10:11 Ah there's many materials that won't hurt in magic trap fire. 10:19 striped shirt of ? 10:19 what would be a better label than 'liberation' 10:19 incarceration 10:19 although, that label was meant to be a play on words probably 10:19 the iron ball wasnt exactly liberating either 10:20 freedom? 10:20 freedom fries 10:20 shirt of monte cristo 10:20 thats nice 10:20 freedom sounds good 10:20 maybe "liberation" refers to the phasing ability 10:20 keep it coming 10:21 mobileuser yeah 10:21 conviction 10:21 convection 10:21 :P 10:21 striped-not-solid shirt 10:22 inmate's ----- ref's shirt 10:22 The Striped Shirt of Fucking Killing People 10:22 hey now 10:22 it's black and white and red all over 10:22 liberty? 10:22 hahah terrapin 10:22 parolee's shirt 10:23 I want a name that enforces that convicts are Bad Guys who Do Crime 10:23 Striped Shirt of Shadowrider. 10:24 striped shirt of immunity 10:24 well-laundered shirt 10:24 curiously stained shirt 10:25 shirt of five alibis 10:25 heh 10:25 'freedom' has my vote still 10:26 thelema shirt 10:26 (do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law) 10:27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema 10:27 The Barred Shirt 10:32 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 10:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:83214 (1 day, 3:55:12) 10:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:83234 (1 day, 3:55:26) 10:53 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:55 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 77696 points, T:42928, killed by a flesh golem, while paralyzed by a monster 10:58 Ah I indeed need to farm, the sokoban is too dangerous for me. 11:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2971 points, T:3598, killed by a giant cockroach 11:12 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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you know the striped prison uniform is relatively recent, it is a 19th century thing (and also isn't used in very many prison systems anymore) 17:23 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:24 I like how most everyone pitched in with suggestions. except for the guy that complained about it 17:25 didn’t really see it as a complaint, or asking anything to be changed. sometimes you make an observation and comment on it and that’s that 17:25 it IS an ironic name 17:26 'striped shirt of stupid' has a nice ring to it 17:26 :P 17:26 pft you goober 17:26 very much ironic, though honestly it adds to the charm for me 17:27 can the shirt deal double damage please 17:27 lol loggers 17:27 also hi 17:27 The spoon does that it dnh and hackem and I thought it was funny 17:27 i thought it was a great name for the ball; as a shirt the irony isn't as pointed so i don't like it quite as much 17:28 i thought about switching to a spoon for a hot minute. then decided to do something original 17:28 the mitre of holiness does double damage to demons 17:28 and everyone calls it a trash artifact! 17:28 ^ your honor there is clear precedent 17:28 Loggers_VIII wields the Tweezers of Doom! die! 17:28 does it actually apply if you hit demons with it or is it just defined as doing double damage to demons? 17:28 lol 17:29 It’s just defined, I think 17:29 no, it doesn't actually do anything 17:29 I don’t think armor can deal double damage 17:29 here 'it' can mean 'armor being defined as doing double damage' or 'the mitre of holiness in general' 17:29 krm26 hates the mitre 17:29 it is his nemesis object 17:30 that’s cuz the mitre is trash 17:30 the vanilla one genuinely isn't much to write home about 17:30 The evil one is mid too, who the hell is praying in gehennom anyway 17:30 people about to die 17:30 you never know, desperate times 17:31 the turning is pretty nice 17:31 ^ 17:31 You have to try too hard for turning to be good 17:31 it's not pushing the Mitre into "consider wishing for" tier but it's a nice floor 17:31 do you though 17:31 it’s too weird and finicky for me to like I’d rather just kill everything 17:31 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:32 (Homer voice) turn undead can kill many everythings at once 17:32 genuinely you have no idea how tempting it is sometimes to just blow up like, the entire locate level GY in priest quest 17:33 -!- Log has joined #evilhack 17:33 Log 17:33 Mog love Log 17:33 technical difficulties stand by 17:33 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:33 finally 17:33 nooooo 17:33 -!- Log has quit [Client Quit] 17:33 we want Log 17:33 same for like, floor one of Vecna 17:34 Log is dead 17:34 :( 17:34 and you killed him 17:34 granted way more "not undead" stuff there that makes getting away with it much harder 17:34 more :( 17:34 yeah okay floor one of vecna does suck 17:34 it's good for loot but it's so boring 17:34 s u c k s 17:35 yes 17:36 and no you can't have any constructive feedback either 17:36 you make me sad 17:36 where is Log? 17:36 I don't hate it but the structure of the level means if you're not careful you can get surrounded/things just go straight to hell 17:37 hanging out with Loggers I-VII 17:37 welp 17:37 not every level design will be a homerun I suppsoe 17:37 and the zombies almost always aggro other stuff 17:37 oh, belated congrats Loggers_VIII ! 17:37 thanks mobileuser :) 17:37 con drow #2 17:37 which isn't bad per se since you can usually deal with zombies by that point 17:37 only neutral drow convict left ;-) 17:38 I don't hate it but the structure of the level means if you're not careful you can get surrounded/things just go straight to hell<-I feel like this is the definition of 'interesting' 17:38 I don't mind the difficulty of the level, but the pacing suffers 17:38 just that they'll usually get nastier stuff on your back 17:38 yes I will elaborate hold on 17:38 buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut said nastier stuff might also go for the zombies and die to them 17:38 so y'know 17:38 I'm hard pressed to think of an evil section of the dungeon that outright sucks 17:38 any open level with lots of monsters is annoying due to message spam 17:39 fun fact - maxed out exp level monk doesnt have to worry about beholders 17:39 oh I have msgstops to deal with that 17:39 I think everything past level one of vecna is really fun, that being vecna 2-3 and the rest of gehennom, but it's kind of just VotD 2 electric boogaloo which you likely did just a couple minutes earlier 17:39 ^ 17:39 @e?beholder 17:39 beholder (e) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 3 | Res: cold shock poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -8 | Atk: 0d0 gaze slow, 2d25 gaze sleep, 0d0 gaze disintegrate, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 gaze cancellation, 8d8 bite physical | Align: -10 | flies, breathless, mindless, nopoly, infravis 17:39 anyway I do think the level's fine just not my cup of tea 17:39 lol Loggers_VIII 17:39 it's less mazey though so there's that 17:39 cancellation? 17:39 'VotD 2 electric boogaloo' 17:39 lol 17:39 why don't they have to worry about cancellation? 17:40 the eyes of the overworld grant cancellation res 17:40 a chance of it, anyway 17:40 or slow, unless they have extrinsic speed 17:40 slowing is a temp thing that can override speed for its duration 17:40 is that slow gaze the slow status or the slow as in removal of intrinsic speed? 17:40 but you can usually re-haste and deal with that immediately 17:40 Loggers_VIII, former is my guess 17:41 yeah 17:41 honestly the maziness kinda works in VotD's favor, means hallways you can funnel the graveyard denizens through 17:41 yeah cancellation and slow are still a thing, but the two worst gaze attacks from a beholder (stoning/disintegration) a high level monk wont have to concern themselves with 17:41 only removal of intrinsic speed left in the game is via stoning 17:41 Vecna 1 feels more Gauntlet-y in comparison 17:41 (again not strictly negative but does have drawbacks) 17:41 I think vecna 2 is a better "challenge" level, what with the beholders, master liches and kas' troupe of misfits 17:41 incidentally Vecna 1 has a ton of wraiths to farm 17:42 usually 17:42 yeah that is nice too 17:42 if you don't care about alignment/cheesing off your god at that point 17:42 Umbire did you mean gauntlet-y like the old arcade game 'Gauntlet' ? 17:42 correct 17:42 awesome 17:42 that's kinda what i was going for 17:43 loved that game growing up 17:43 also if you do care then the loot should have either a bunch of gain level or at least enlightenment/levitation to make gain level with 17:43 tangent but I recall the Warrior role in THEM being slightly based off Gauntlet stuff 17:43 I likely misremember though but one of my patch ambitions was helping the role lean more into that 17:43 but i get it, some people arent into a big room packed full or monsters. it can get tedious if you cant dispatch them quickly 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 37 points, T:253, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:1911 (0:23:13) 17:44 a high level priest using #turn could have a lot of fun in vecna 1 17:44 bring a few pets along as bodyguards 17:44 in PMD I almost always carried a mon with a room-wide attack for monster houses 17:45 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:45 the Big Room-style monster houses were my favorite excuse to unload a Heat Wave or Discharge 17:47 oh snap - https://store.steampowered.com/app/258970/Gauntlet_Slayer_Edition/ 17:48 yeah there's been a bunch of remakes and such 17:48 i think the best level design i've done was the ice queen branch. it's been hard to match it without outright copying it 17:49 agree 17:49 the first iteration of vecna-3 was shit, i redesigned it from scratch before releasing it for public play 17:49 the ice queen is definitely up there 17:49 I absolutely love vecna-2 and purgatory-2 17:49 cool 17:50 i'm thinking of doing random goblin town maps 17:50 at least the top level w/ goblin king 17:50 oooh yes yes yes 17:50 I have wanted this ever since I started playing evil 17:50 help keep that bit interesting 17:51 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:51 hopefully the wiz tower revamp and the new side branch are enjoyable. the hidden dungeon side branch map, i dunno. i feel like it could be better 17:51 add a second variation :) 17:51 heh 17:52 there will be a big push to get next version out the door after this weekend. nethackathon is this weekend, need to focus on it 17:53 on today's episode of: Asking Unpaid Game Developers to do Too Much Work we ask k2_1971 to design a different hidden dungoen level for each castle variant! 17:53 i wanna release before october 17:53 lol omg 17:53 oh hey. design contest 17:53 lmao 17:53 send me your mapz 17:53 can we do that for real that sounds cool 17:53 yeah why not 17:54 that reminds me, one of my million backburner things is transcribing castle maps to the wiki 17:59 damn, development of gauntlet: slayer edition ended almost 8 yrs ago 18:01 Loggers_VIII I thionk I want to see how the hidden dungeon does before I decide to add different maps for it 18:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 grayswandir", on T:2488 (0:41:06) 18:01 *think 18:02 goblin town though, i think i could knock out one, maybe two more random maps for the top level (gollums cave needs to stay as-is) 18:06 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 18:07 makes sense 18:07 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Mal Cha), 576 points, T:2573, killed by an arrow 18:07 oh yeah i just got some ideas 18:08 * K2 jots them down 18:08 brb dishes 18:13 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:15 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4179 (0:57:25) 18:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4541 (1:00:51) 18:28 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 18:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:2424 (0:19:29) 18:34 lol xdminsy did you get tired of con dro 18:36 yeah xdminsy mentioned wanting a diff. stronger role a while ago 18:36 I respect it 18:36 Lol I think I haven't ascend for a while. 18:36 Need to take a breath. 18:38 well wizard is quite fun so you should have a good time 18:38 Yes my 3.7 game start with hundreds of wizard deaths :P 18:38 lol 18:46 heh 18:47 damn dishes took longer than usual 18:47 bleh 18:47 mobileuser would do better 18:47 probably 18:47 he is the god of dishes 18:47 i am but a lowly acolyte 18:47 (3rd class) 18:54 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #evilhack 18:54 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Client Quit] 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:52427 (1 day, 0:20:10) 18:57 \o/ 18:57 @e?dispater 18:57 Dispater (&) | Lvl: 78 | Diff: 40 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: -2 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical, 6d6 cast clerical | Align: 15 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis 18:58 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4848 (0:45:36) 18:59 dispater geryon and baalz are all kind of the same now that I look at their stats 18:59 baalz has the gaze, though 19:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:13 Dispater's main distinguishing thing is his rod of force iirc 19:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:7938 (1:55:40) 19:16 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 19:17 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 19:23 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11262 (2:35:53) 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 8781 points, T:12819, poisoned by a vampire bat 20:29 -!- jonadab has quit [*.net *.split] 20:29 -!- bouquet has quit [*.net *.split] 20:30 -!- jonadab has joined #evilhack 20:30 -!- bouquet has joined #evilhack 20:34 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 20:37 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:72670 (15:25:00) 20:37 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:72674 (15:25:08) 20:43 uhoh... I think i'm trapped in a corner of the master of thieves lair. 20:44 any cursed scrolls of teleport? 20:45 nope. 20:45 no cursed gain level either 20:46 I fell through to the $ pool 20:46 what if you try to teleport onto a trap? 20:46 oof 20:46 it's a no self-tele level 20:46 oh right heh 20:46 got a ring of polymorph? can wait for a changeling 20:46 polymorph control rather 20:47 Secret door on the lower-left 20:47 no polycontrol 20:47 no secret door there 20:47 it's still blocked off from the stair but there's at least another section you can reach 20:48 you'll eventually get a cursed gain level drop :-) probably before i get grimtooth 20:48 ya, I know where you're talking about, but there's no door there 20:48 https://i.ibb.co/fSsTfLp/image.png 20:48 ah 20:49 ugh, that was regular gain level 20:49 no unholy 20:49 ? 20:49 :( 20:49 could you bless your lamp? 20:49 I could 20:49 probably better for when you've lost patience 20:50 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 20:50 there is water, you could try creating unholy 20:52 I kind of need my cursed lamp for doing shady business. 20:53 lol 20:53 hoping to get shadow scales in ludios if I get out of here eventually. 20:54 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55 I didn't realize there were spots you couldn't escape without magic means 20:57 The idea from vanilla was to promote thinking outside the box for Rogues in particular 20:57 problem among others is it leads to a bunch of ass situations like these 20:59 starting to look like I need to burn a potential wish on my magic lamp :( 21:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "2 cursed potions of gain level", on T:73843 (15:48:21) 21:00 weaksauce 21:01 wouldn't magic marker be better? 21:03 ya, lemme just go to my save point, brb... 21:06 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:74248 (15:54:11) 21:06 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:19892 (2:53:59) 21:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:20300 (2:55:49) 21:26 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:24262 (3:13:16) 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7127 (1:03:37) 21:48 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:29057 (3:35:23) 21:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a hooded cloak on an altar, on T:7820 (1:12:13) 21:54 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 21:58 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3055 (1:02:23) 22:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 7957 points, T:8919, quit 22:03 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:14 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a cornuthaum entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:32353 (4:02:02) 22:37 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:34089 (4:24:51) 22:39 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 22:39 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/89f0f7768811...9c74c93093dd 22:39 [EvilHack] k21971 9c74c93 - Fix: close a loophole being able to produce tame non-tameable monsters. 22:45 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 22:53 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:53 gnite o/ 22:53 o/ bye 22:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4463 (0:54:35) 22:57 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:35606 (4:44:10) 22:58 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:5083 (0:59:52) 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4789 points, T:5179, killed by a piranha 23:09 I found the sokoban in evilhack is much harder than vanilla? 23:10 I don't know, typically I'm level 10 and only have about -5 AC, when in sokoban. 23:10 Then there's much tougher monsters than vanilla.. 23:11 The monsters are what make it harder 23:11 the puzzles can be learned in time 23:12 Ah and no Elbereth, in vanilla it's okay to complete sokoban with poor ac.. 23:12 You can learn Elbereth before Sokoban 23:13 not having access teaches you to be way more attentive about maneuvering without it 23:13 I don't know but, it's really a hard timefor me to complete sokoban.. 23:13 Ah yes, I don't use Elbereth, and played some con dro tho all died :P. 23:14 But if I don't farm, I can hardly obtain AC. 23:14 i don't know, what should I do before sokoban? 23:14 monsters lords and royals that generate with armor usually have the good stuff, doesn't take farming per se 23:15 Ah I'd got some armors and buy some protections, but seems having -10 AC is still very dangerous in sokoban. 23:16 My previous game encounter one giant priest blocking my way I think, maybe I should zap polymorph at him. 23:16 Ah but later it's just one paralyzed me, I'm not sure is it spell or potion.. 23:17 Paralysis is a clerical spell, and yes hill giant shamans can use it 23:17 Ah not those, a player monster, giant priest. 23:17 unforch 23:18 One feeling is that, in vanilla, I can obtain free action and MR later, maybe at castle and I just wish for them. 23:18 But in evilhack seems I need free action, MR, magical breathing before dl 10 :P 23:19 Otherwise I'd play every careful and maybe unlucky I'd still die.. 23:19 they make your life way easier but you can get by without 23:19 not saying I recommend it necessarily but 23:20 genuinely, having a form of reliably projectile on hand goes a long way, esp. with the cubes 23:20 Ah yes, I think I need poisoned darts asap. 23:21 daggers seems not too useful, they are vunerable to a lot passive and do fewer damage than in vanilla.. 23:21 if you're talking about rust/corrosion there's not a lot of that actually 23:21 you can also craft shuriken and other projectiles, and using non-erodable materials at that 23:21 Ah yes, mainly water elemental, gray and black dragons I think. 23:22 can make weapons out of non-rustable material 23:22 Ah you remind me, I don't use forge unless forging artifacts. 23:22 daggers/darts are fine for gray/black dragons 23:22 Okay I'd use forge more I think :P 23:23 you get a million of those and darts in particular are already kinda disposable to begin with 23:24 Okay, maybe I play like vanilla, haven't learned how to correctly utilize forge. 23:26 Thx umbire, I'd go to bed. 23:27 Hope I could ascend one game :P. 23:27 Best of luck! 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:4873 (0:34:11) 23:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Splunge (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5441 (0:40:24) 23:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a steel trident entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:74853 (16:03:29)