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00:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven spear entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:64596 (13:14:19)
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00:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:63221 (1 day, 23:02:36)
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00:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) averted death (burned by molten lava), on T:63404 (1 day, 23:19:05)
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00:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed the elven high priestess of Moloch, on T:63472 (1 day, 23:26:19)
00:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:63508 (1 day, 23:29:57)
00:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Lucifer, on T:63647 (1 day, 23:44:21)
00:54 <terrapin> go, k3ut0i!
00:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) entered Purgatory, on T:63655 (1 day, 23:45:08)
01:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:63718 (1 day, 23:52:15)
01:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:64324 (2 days, 0:08:19)
01:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class ;), on T:64517 (2 days, 0:24:32)
01:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:64643 (2 days, 0:35:16)
01:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed the saddled White Horse, on T:64645 (2 days, 0:35:37)
01:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:64704 (2 days, 0:40:24)
01:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed the Black Horse, on T:64705 (2 days, 0:40:31)
01:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:64768 (2 days, 0:45:29)
01:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:64768 (2 days, 0:45:35)
02:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu), 6866718 points, T:64811, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1693002767.evil.html
02:35 <Umbire> gg k3ut0i 
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05:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Trt Fem Neu), 206 points, T:1409, killed by a wand, while moving through the air
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06:16 <mobileuser> woohoo congrats k3ut0i !
06:17 <mobileuser> !tell k3ut0i congrats!
06:17 <Hecubus> k3ut0i shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, mobileuser.
06:19 <xdminsy> Congrats k3ut0i!
07:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "El", on T:4406 (0:32:50)
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07:32 <krm26> !tell k3uto0i grats, way to go!
07:32 <Hecubus> k3uto0i shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, krm26.
07:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:113609 (1 day, 23:59:06)
07:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:113610 (1 day, 23:59:10)
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08:02 <krm26> seems to be a nethackscoreboard issue, there are no first to ascend combos for evilhack demon any more
08:04 <mobileuser> that's deliberate krm26
08:05 <mobileuser> it was changed so that only the starting race counts
08:07 <krm26> mmm ok
08:07 <mobileuser> hmm yeah...
08:07 <mobileuser> that "demon" column needs to be removed
08:07 <mobileuser> it's not on the hackem page, which also has infidel
08:08 <krm26> but now if you do a hooa ascension as infidel it tracked under the helm alignment, is that right?
08:09 <mobileuser> you can't do a hooa ascension I think...
08:09 <mobileuser> I mean, you need to convert a high altar to win
08:09 <mobileuser> you can't ascend by offering the amulet as lawful
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08:10 <mobileuser> not anymore anyway, there used to be a funny bug :-)
08:10 <mobileuser> if you found a hooa early, you could go straight to the planes
08:15 <krm26> guess i gotta rodney-up and do it
08:21 <mobileuser> exciting!
08:22 <mobileuser> krm26 have you annotated your quest level to talk to your quest leader?
08:22 <mobileuser> easy thing to forget
08:38 <krm26> i just made a mental note
08:38 <krm26> if i'm lucky lucifer will kill me or a player monster will rob me blind and it wont matter
08:41 <mobileuser> with lucifer, a boulder fort and cone of cold works pretty well to at least soften him up krm26
08:41 <mobileuser> cone of cold is also nice against rodney
08:46 <krm26> i think i may just be able to slug it out with lucifer
08:46 <krm26> 562hp 497pw -79ac +6 angelslayer or +6 soa
08:49 <krm26> although trying to decide if i should make armor of retribution
08:50 <krm26> think it is a big deal to try to ascend with moloch the only source of mr? since death resistant?
08:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "marker", on T:116400 (2 days, 1:11:49)
08:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "marker", on T:116412 (2 days, 1:13:43)
08:55 <mobileuser> I suppose you could risk it...
08:56 <mobileuser> I've always used the staff of the archmagi, that gave me MR anyway
08:57 <krm26> never made retribution so im gonna go for it i think
08:57 <mobileuser> nice
08:58 <krm26> where does gain level not work these days? sanctum & purgatory only?
08:58 <mobileuser> I have no idea
08:58 <mobileuser> but sounds right
09:01 <Noisytoot> krm26: demon infidels are already death resistant
09:01 <krm26> right, that is why i said "since death resistant" :-)
09:01 <krm26> then i only have to worry about catching a stray poly
09:02 <Noisytoot> monster spells/magic missiles will also do more damage (double compared to with MR) if you lose it
09:04 <krm26> my real concern is a lack of a backup weapon
09:04 <mobileuser> wish for Magicbane and forge Archmagi :-)
09:04 <krm26> i could
09:05 <krm26> i was thinking might be easier to wish for a mithril trident of shock
09:05 <krm26> since with the staff i have to *learn crap*
09:05 <mobileuser> but that would also give you MR backup
09:05 <mobileuser> and getting to basic is quickly done
09:05 <krm26> you are right like always
09:06 <mobileuser> lol
09:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) made her first artifact wish - "cursed fixed +3 magicbane", on T:116457 (2 days, 1:26:25)
09:06 <Noisytoot> not greased?
09:07 <krm26> weapon grease is worthless
09:07 <krm26> wears off too quickly
09:07 <krm26> otherwise i'm fully on team grease
09:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:116745 (2 days, 1:30:00)
09:09 <mobileuser> woohoo
09:10 <krm26> omigod that carry capacity is sweet
09:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:117075 (2 days, 1:35:41)
09:15 <K2> \o/
09:16 <mobileuser> DIRGE
09:16 <K2> CARL
09:16 <mobileuser> \o/
09:16 <K2> heh
09:17 <krm26> time to get rid of passive disintegrators
09:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:117081 (2 days, 1:37:43)
09:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided black dragons, on T:117081 (2 days, 1:37:48)
09:18 <krm26> now i'll be really surprised when my staff poofs on player armor
09:22 <krm26> i have become totally spoiled with teleporting around in the endgame, this is a LOT of walking
09:22 <K2> good for you
09:28 <krm26> you're calling me fat arent you
09:28 <K2> no
09:28 <K2> i just assumed cuz we're old
09:28 * K2 needs to lose some weight
09:29 <K2> *some more weight
09:29 <K2> i'm stuck at 188-190 lbs, cant seem to get past that
09:30 <K2> :P
09:30 <K2> terrapin are you here?
09:31 <mobileuser> I also have a minor question for terrapin...
09:34 <K2> i want to pull his magic chest PR, but i have some questions first
09:34 <K2> was too sleepy to ask last night
09:39 <K2> magic chests work pretty well so far, god this is so awesome
09:40 <K2> (I made a .patch file out of the PR for testing)
09:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:118618 (2 days, 2:07:45)
09:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:118620 (2 days, 2:07:52)
09:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) performed the invocation, on T:118890 (2 days, 2:10:55)
09:55 <K2> wooo go krm26
09:55 <krm26> hmm
09:55 <krm26> chatting to the priest doesnt do crap
09:56 <K2> did you offer the amulet yet?
09:56 <krm26> i guess i don't know what i'm doing :-)
09:56 <K2> heh
09:57 <K2> sac the aoy on the altar in the sanctum. make sure you have the idol in inventory
09:57 <K2> fyi, jimmy buffet died
09:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) imbued the Idol of Moloch, on T:119067 (2 days, 2:18:17)
09:58 <K2> \o/
09:58 <K2> brb gonna make some brunch. girls are just now waking up hah
10:00 <krm26> so one clue from this guy and then one clue from the questgiver on the way up
10:03 <terrapin> hі
10:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Lucifer, on T:119109 (2 days, 2:26:03)
10:06 <mobileuser> hi terrapin
10:06 <mobileuser> yay krm26!
10:07 <krm26> 500 spell power of cone of cold from behind a bolder fort
10:07 <mobileuser> infidel power
10:08 <krm26> now the tough part, rodney stealing my idol, double troubling, and bopping off amid 100 player rogues
10:08 <mobileuser> nah
10:08 <mobileuser> blast him with cone of cold
10:08 <krm26> but my cute dragon buddies
10:08 <mobileuser> leave them behind?
10:09 <mobileuser> and moloch doesn't care anyway
10:09 <mobileuser> free pet killing
10:09 <krm26> but i like them swallowing people, it is what i live for
10:09 <mobileuser> heh
10:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) entered Purgatory, on T:119146 (2 days, 2:30:12)
10:10 <mobileuser> another rodney down
10:12 <mobileuser> terrapin, minor question. when a monster gets "But luckily the electric charge is grounded!" when looting a chest, how is their luck calculated?
10:12 <mobileuser> because I sort of wonder if player luck is used
10:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Saint Michael, on T:119312 (2 days, 2:37:20)
10:18 <mobileuser> 1 carrot in the crystal chest, lol
10:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:19561 (4:01:27)
10:20 <terrapin> yeah, it uses player luck
10:24 <mobileuser> bug?
10:25 <terrapin> yeah, probably
10:26 <mobileuser> ^ K2
10:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) entered the Planes, on T:120082 (2 days, 2:54:16)
10:35 <krm26> wut someone burnt my staff of the archmagi
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10:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:120229 (2 days, 2:59:29)
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10:42 <K2> oh yeah the monster chest trap thing
10:42 <K2> i think that was brought up awhile ago
10:42 <K2> and was forgotten
10:42 <K2> will add to tracker
10:43 <K2> added
10:43 <K2> terrapin hi
10:44 <terrapin> o/
10:45 <K2> heya. been playing with the magic chest PR (havent pulled it yet, but made a .patch out of it)
10:45 <K2> i haz teh questions
10:45 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/137/files <--- obj.h the comment you made there
10:46 <K2> 'potentially mess up' things
10:46 <K2> in what way?
10:46 <terrapin> oh yeah i was wrong
10:47 <terrapin> thought the relevant variable was a short but it's not
10:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) put Death down for a little nap, on T:120418 (2 days, 3:07:30)
10:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:120419 (2 days, 3:07:32)
10:47 <K2> so we're ok there
10:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the giant high priestess of Mitra, on T:120457 (2 days, 3:08:47)
10:48 <K2> wooo go krm26
10:48 <krm26> just offer it?
10:48 <mobileuser> right altar?
10:48 <mobileuser> no
10:48 <krm26> hope so
10:48 <terrapin> invoke
10:48 <mobileuser> invoke
10:48 <mobileuser> idol
10:49 <K2> I N V O K E
10:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una), 7446770 points, T:120463, ascended (with the Idol)
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1693049945.evil.html
10:49 <terrapin> \o/
10:49 <krm26> INVOKED
10:49 <mobileuser> \o/
10:49 <K2> wewp!
10:49 <krm26> ok, that sweeps roles for me
10:49 <mobileuser> congrats!!
10:49 <K2> nice job krm26
10:49 <terrapin> nice!
10:49 <krm26> infidels are massively overpowering late midgame on, like a wrecking ball
10:49 <mobileuser> yuuup
10:49 <krm26> and i never even found of learned acid blast or finger of death
10:50 <krm26> armor of retribution carrying capacity is so nice
10:50 <K2> yup but until they imbue the idol, they struggle
10:50 <K2> trade off
10:50 <krm26> early game was brutal, i had no poly control, no mr for EVER
10:50 <K2> AoR \o/
10:50 <mobileuser> and no holy water
10:51 <mobileuser> yeah Infidel asc with most forged stuff!
10:51 <K2> forge them all, collect the entire set
10:52 <mobileuser> heh you ascended blind
10:52 <K2> terrapin so we're ok there? the obj.h bit?
10:52 <terrapin> yeah. i mean even if i'd been correct there wouldn't be any issues unless another where value was added
10:53 <K2> gotcha
10:53 <K2> another thing i noticed, in decl.c
10:54 <K2> struct obj *mchest = (struct obj *) 0; <--- is that supposed to have NEARDATA prepended? everything else there does
10:55 <terrapin> probably
10:55 <K2> k
10:55 <K2> play testing this, so far so good. omg love it
10:55 <K2> <3 terrapin
10:55 <terrapin> :)
10:55 <K2> you are doing gods work fo sho
10:56 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2642
10:58 <xdminsy> congrats krm26!
11:00 <cbus> xdminsy, how are you finding evil after some play now? :)
11:02 <K2> terrapin i'll pull the PR now, i'll then make some edits to place the magic chests
11:03 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 13 commits to master [+0/-0/±128] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/5023f8f761f3...8b21640897b1
11:03 <botifico> [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 6cba3ee - New dungeon feature: magic chests
11:03 <botifico> [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 3b0e7bf - New object: "hidden chest"
11:03 <botifico> [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin 56cef73 - Merge branch 'k21971:master' into master
11:03 <botifico> [EvilHack] ... and 10 more commits.
11:03 <K2> \o/
11:03 <terrapin> woo
11:04 <K2> this is a big deal
11:05 <K2> i've wanted magic chests in evilhack for years now
11:06 <krm26> what flavor did you go with?
11:06 <krm26> immobile, fixed locations?
11:06 <K2> yes
11:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:24506 (4:49:33)
11:08 <cbus> gj
11:08 <cbus> to both :)
11:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 113802 points, T:26254, killed by a tortle dresser called Tibor the Dresser, while sleeping
11:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6460 (2:18:40)
11:26 <K2> :/
11:28 <xdminsy> :P
11:29 <xdminsy> I found that Goblin King is afraid of my gargantuan spider.
11:29 <xdminsy> Haven't remove the ball and already level 7, had to wait for one rock mole :(
11:29 <K2> nice to see more players try convict drow
11:30 <xdminsy> Lol yes tho I posted a long post, but in summary I think the Con Dro starting game is typically just wait and pray.
11:32 <xdminsy> :P Then my gargantuan spider dies from illness.
11:32 <xdminsy> I left about 20 zombie corpses in level 2.
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11:37 <xdminsy> I'm not sure how zombies reviving works, but seems they can have death drop.
11:37 <krm26> yes they have a chance each time they die
11:41 <krm26> rusting the iron ball should slightly increase its weight
11:43 <xdminsy> I reached level 8 in floor 2 :P
11:43 <xdminsy> I may desend and maybe there'd more likely spawn rock moles or nymphs..
11:44 <krm26> if every molecule of the iron ball rusts that would increase its mass by about 60% :-)
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11:45 <krm26> so could ramp from 480 up to 600 or more at thoroughly rusty!
11:46 <xdminsy> That's not good for dagger throwers :P
11:49 <xdminsy> Luckily I found a nymph, but I should take care..
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11:50 <xdminsy> Wow and a corpse blind me for 3 turns, I see that there's two nymphs and one geckon on this floor.
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11:53 <xdminsy> At turn 8792, the nymph in floor 3 stole my heave iron ball lol.
11:53 <xdminsy> I've only prayed maybe 3 or 4 times this game, last prayer is at 4k turns, later I hardly lose hp.
11:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9133 (2:51:00)
11:57 <xdminsy> The problem is I'm already level 8, and have low AC.
12:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3990 (1:05:59)
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12:23 <cbus> xdminsy, so how are you finding evil?
12:23 <cbus> nice breath of fresh air? :)
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12:31 <Loggers_VIII> hola
12:31 <Hecubus> Hello Loggers_VIII, Welcome to #evilhack
12:32 <Loggers_VIII> whoa slow hecubus
12:32 <Loggers_VIII> or is that just my connection
12:33 <Loggers_VIII> yeah just my connection, damn
12:33 <Noisytoot> I received both messages in the same second
12:34 <Loggers_VIII> yeah my message seems to have taken almost an entire minute to actually send
12:34 <terrapin> Loggers, better get cracking with Con Dro before the next version! :P
12:34 <terrapin> no more throwing exploits for you!
12:34 <Noisytoot> krm26: How would anything other than the exterior rust?
12:34 <Loggers_VIII> throwing exploits?? what happened
12:34 <krm26> fissures and cracks, flaws and imperfections...crappy quality of prison gear
12:34 <terrapin> throwing will sear you
12:35 <Loggers_VIII> oh fuck offff
12:35 <Noisytoot> Do you need hands to throw?
12:35 <K2> off, fuck (1EA)
12:35 <terrapin> there is the TH bonus with unarmed though
12:35 <Loggers_VIII> wow how fortunate
12:35 <Loggers_VIII> yknow I was not particularly interested in playing evilhack until next version but now that next version con dro is impossible whatever might as well
12:36 <krm26> ?
12:36 <krm26> general amnesty for drow next version?
12:36 <Loggers_VIII> throwing sears you... get outta town
12:36 <krm26> oh yeah, definitely should
12:36 <K2> impossible? i think not
12:36 <Loggers_VIII> yeah well I'd like to see you do it then k2
12:37 <K2> ok
12:37 <Loggers_VIII> really? that would be funny
12:37 <Noisytoot> Is con dro really no regen at all?
12:37 <K2> OK
12:37 <Loggers_VIII> when you have the chain attached yes noisytoot
12:37 <Noisytoot> In dnh touching hated materials just halves regen per item (so 2 items means no regen, but with 1 you just have half regen)
12:38 <Loggers_VIII> I love throwing the ball why you gotta do this to me :(
12:38 <krm26> wear gloves
12:38 <Loggers_VIII> hahahahahahahhahahahaha
12:38 <Loggers_VIII> you're funny
12:38 <krm26> i know, it is my only good feature
12:38 <Loggers_VIII> lol
12:39 <Loggers_VIII> how long do I have before next version?
12:39 <krm26> as long as you want once you start a game
12:39 <K2> before october
12:40 <krm26> ooh i never noticed before, convicts get thievery
12:40 <Loggers_VIII> yeah, up to skilled
12:40 <Loggers_VIII> it's great because basic thievery also is basic barehanded, so they start with decent melee
12:41 <cbus> loggers_viii, xdminsy, asked about Con-Dro on reddit btw https://old.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/16751xw/evilhack_drow_convict_advice/
12:41 <Loggers_VIII> hm let me take a look
12:41 <krm26> if i wanted to do con-dro and was lazy i'd just churn for level 1 fountains
12:42 <cbus> they are here but thought it might give nice outside view for non evil player too maybe :)
12:42 <Noisytoot> How do you not die before removing the ball?
12:42 <krm26> (i'm always lazy)
12:42 <Loggers_VIII> you pray, mainly
12:42 <Loggers_VIII> holy that's a long post
12:42 <Noisytoot> do atheist con-dro
12:43 <krm26> with this simple 29 point plan
12:43 <Loggers_VIII> noisytoot that's easy you just get a scroll of remove curse on level one
12:45 <K2> Noisytoot - skill and luck
12:45 <krm26> skuck
12:45 <krm26> gotta have skuck
12:45 <K2> or lill
12:45 <Loggers_VIII> heh
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12:50 <Loggers_VIII> maybe I can ascend two con dro in a row. that would be one for the history books
12:50 <K2> damn i didnt realize dynahack put magic chests on the bottom 2 levels of soko
12:50 <K2> overkill
12:50 <Loggers_VIII> that's weird
12:50 <Loggers_VIII> who would use the higher one?
12:51 <K2> not sure
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12:51 <krm26> magic chest in one of the first level's pits!  gotta sacrifice it to continue
12:52 <Loggers_VIII> you can't put a dungeon feature in a pit
12:52 <Loggers_VIII> can you?
12:52 <krm26> dont tell me what to do
12:52 <K2> krm26 go clean your room. now
12:52 <K2> :P
12:53 <krm26> aww man
12:53 <cbus> go do your dishes!
12:53 <Noisytoot> couldn't you just dig it out again?
12:53 <cbus> oh wait you are not mobile ;)
12:53 <Noisytoot> if that was possible
12:54 <Loggers_VIII> oh cool keolewa in a shop
12:55 <Loggers_VIII> can I use displacement to kite the goblin king and throw my ball at him or do monster see through displacement after attacking your image
12:59 <krm26> dammit, career-ending error; i thought not wielding sting was sufficient, but i guess shopkeepers grudge if it is in open inventory
13:00 <krm26> omigod i somehow survived
13:01 <krm26> so much for that lovely store full of loot :-(
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13:06 <K2> just kill the shopkeeper
13:07 <K2> and it should be wielding/wearing a bane item, not just being in open inv
13:10 <K2> magic chest placement in soko done
13:10 <K2> i've have to finish up the rest later, about to leave
13:11 <K2> wife's sister's fiance family is having their annual party and we're invited
13:12 <K2> i'm supposed to be on my best behavior. my mind translates that too 'get buzzed and say all sorts of inappropriate things within earshot of my wife so she's embarassed'
13:14 <nabru> say things about evilhack and convince them to play
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13:16 <Loggers_VIII> man, keolewa needs a buff
13:17 <Loggers_VIII> 1d6 damage bonus is just not good when your base damage is 1d6/1d3
13:17 <xdminsy> cbus I haven't play nethack for a month and decide to find some interesting variants.
13:18 <xdminsy> Noisytoot yes, you can survive with no regen as long as Lolth is pleased, I just got to level up to 8 and find 3 nymphs in floor 3 to remove my ball.
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13:20 <xdminsy> Don't know how to play atheist Con Dro, maybe just quaff the fountain :P
13:20 <K2> nabru, not that kind of crowd. i'll probably be the only nerd there :P
13:20 <nabru> hahaha
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 1033 points, T:2740, killed by the Goblin King
13:21 <Loggers_VIII> update do not try to kite the goblin king with displacement and throw your ball at him
13:21 <krm26> i'm sure it was a fluke, try it another 99 times and show us the data!
13:22 <K2> ^ this
13:22 <K2> N=1 does not a scientific study make
13:22 <xdminsy> lol.
13:23 <Loggers_VIII> I just ran it back 100 times in my head and died every time so there
13:23 <xdminsy> I usually gather 10 crude daggers and reach skilled in dagger, and kil Goblin King.
13:24 <xdminsy> Recently two games both have gargantuan spiders :(
13:24 <xdminsy> I remember that i hardly kill Goblin King in melee, my former game centaur valk seems jump and throw daggers as well.
13:24 <Loggers_VIII> I just get a good melee weapon or a wand
13:25 <Loggers_VIII> how would you use daggers, if he is same speed as you?
13:25 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, my pet spider trapped him lol.
13:25 <krm26> yup, web him
13:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a steel knife entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:626 (0:04:07)
13:25 <Loggers_VIII> ah, I do not use pet spiders often
13:26 <K2> \o/
13:26 <krm26> they are great
13:26 <xdminsy> First level altar?
13:26 <Loggers_VIII> second
13:26 <Loggers_VIII> I am entering a state of being known only as "cooking"
13:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1294 (0:07:49)
13:30 <Loggers_VIII> I think fire traps on chests should be depth-based tbh
13:31 <Loggers_VIII> it's one of those features in vanilla that's just mean for the sake of being mean
13:33 <krm26> you mean, current damage on level 1, then multiply that damage by current dl? good idea
13:33 <krm26> i wanna blow a fire trap on dl19 and incinerate the entire room, leaving behind bubbling pools of lava
13:33 <Loggers_VIII> that would at least be more interesting than what it is now
13:33 <K2> see ya later
13:34 <Loggers_VIII> later k2 o/
13:36 <xdminsy> o/
13:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3078 (0:15:19)
13:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:6632 (0:25:09)
13:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7485 (0:26:41)
13:50 <Noisytoot> @e?goblin king
13:50 <Hecubus> Goblin King (o) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: unique | AC: 7 | Atk: 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical | Align: -15 | omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravis
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13:50 <Noisytoot> @e?centaur
13:50 <Hecubus> centaur (C) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: special | AC: 4 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical, 1d6 kick physical | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis
13:51 <Noisytoot> Do centaur players actually have a base speed of 18?
13:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a platinum knife entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:10571 (0:32:10)
13:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 10167 points, T:11004, killed by a dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze
13:54 <Loggers_VIII> fuck
13:54 <krm26> doh!
13:54 <Loggers_VIII> lagged out and bumped into an eye :(
13:55 <krm26> sad waste of a nice early altar
13:55 <Loggers_VIII> indeed
13:55 <krm26> hate it when that happens, i still occasionally lag into eyes
13:57 <Noisytoot> We need paranoid attack_floating_eyes
13:57 <krm26> paranoid_oopsie
13:57 <Loggers_VIII> you're lucky k2 isn't here because he'd chew you out about that one
13:57 <krm26> "That move kinda sux. You sure? y/n"
13:58 <Noisytoot> I prefer NetHack4 floating eyes. You can't melee them without free action or reflection at all.
13:58 <Loggers_VIII> I think that if a floating eye is paralyzed it shouldn't be able to paralyze you
13:59 <Loggers_VIII> it's clearly a conscious action, because you don't get paralyzed just by being near it
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14:01 <Noisytoot> s/reflection/reflection or being blind/
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14:04 <krm26> i just think floating eyes should have a blazing hot colored glyph
14:05 <Loggers_VIII> honestly floating eyes are just kind of a lame enemy in the first place
14:05 <terrapin> Noisytoot yeah, it's one of biggest reasons centaurs are so powerful imo
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14:08 <xdminsy> Ah but, I found that in evilhack you can detect floating eyes while with telepathy even not blind?
14:08 <krm26> floating eyes aren't an enemy, they are a pet food
14:11 <Umbire> If you have telepathy, you can sense other monsters with telepathy, and they can sense you.
14:12 <xdminsy> I see, now I understand why I can sense goblin shaman.
14:13 <xdminsy> I thought that he cast aggravate monster maybe :P
14:14 <Umbire> lol
14:17 <xdminsy> I found that my hawaiian shirt is of ESP, and I have one +5 ring of protection and one +3.
14:20 <krm26> shirt of esp is one of the best possible things for anyone to start with
14:20 <krm26> i have evolved over time to change my first shirt wish to esp instead of decay
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14:24 <xdminsy> I think maybe yes, Excalibur and Stormy can provide drain resistance in need.
14:26 <xdminsy> If you haven't kill Goblin King, will a trap door drop you in minetown?
14:26 <Loggers_VIII> no
14:27 <Loggers_VIII> levelport can, though
14:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:13089 (3:24:43)
14:28 <krm26> boo broadsword
14:28 <krm26> what the heck dude
14:29 <krm26> just a really heavy luckstone
14:29 <Loggers_VIII> better than a short sword
14:29 <Loggers_VIII> don't hate on luck blade
14:30 <krm26> worse than a short sword, at least you arent flushing skill points down the toilet to use it
14:30 <Loggers_VIII> because you use so many short swords?
14:30 <krm26> frost and fire
14:31 <Loggers_VIII> idk if you've played convict recently but the only weapon worth using for half the game is stormbringer and it's a broadsword
14:31 <terrapin> i think deep shafts will drop you to minetown
14:31 <krm26> stormbringer can bite me, boo on stormbringer
14:31 <terrapin> if you're on the level just above minetown, then you won't be able to jump into holes/trap doors
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14:36 <xdminsy> I see, then maybe a convict or infidel should come explore mines and then kill goblin king.
14:36 <xdminsy> Landing minetown should be very dangerous :P.
14:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:12921 (4:06:27)
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14:48 <xdminsy> Holy a chameleon turns into a arch-lich :P.
14:49 <xdminsy> At least he didn't cast touch of death :P.
14:50 <Loggers_VIII> one time a chameleon turned into an alhoon teleported next to me and then turned into a vorpal jabberwock
14:50 <Loggers_VIII> I did not survive
14:50 <xdminsy> @e?vorpal jabberwock
14:50 <Hecubus> vorpal jabberwock (J) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 claw behead, 3d10 claw behead | Align: 0 | carnivore, flies, infravis
14:50 <krm26> sometimes those chameleons really mean business
14:51 <xdminsy> It's 10% chance to behead every claw behead?
14:51 <Loggers_VIII> I like the idea that they're fully in control of what creatures they turn into, but most of them are just dicking around
14:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:16181 (3:49:15)
14:54 <xdminsy> I don't know where to get AC.
14:54 <xdminsy> I'm now -8 and 8 of which provided by ring of protection :P.
14:54 <Loggers_VIII> just grab some boots and helmet from the mines and get your armor from the watchmen
14:54 <Loggers_VIII> gloves, tunic, cloak etc all easily accessible from the watch
14:54 <xdminsy> If there's no altar in level 10, I think I should farm for some scroll of enchant armor.
14:55 <xdminsy> Maybe, I'm afraid that if I can beat one.
14:55 <krm26> you don't need to use enchant armor in the early game
14:55 <Loggers_VIII> why? what are you using for a weapon
14:55 <krm26> grab some mithril dwarvish boots, mithril dwarvish hellm or stone orcish helm, etc
14:55 <xdminsy> :P cursed mithril runed dagger
14:55 <krm26> name it sting to improve it
14:55 <Loggers_VIII> ...okay yeah that is really bad
14:56 <krm26> also will give you some elves to eat
14:56 <Loggers_VIII> can't eat elves as drow
14:56 <krm26> oooh drow, nevermind
14:56 <xdminsy> Yes no hammer and maybe a crude short sword may not be better than this.
14:56 <xdminsy> And the arch-lich curses it for me :P.
14:57 <krm26> yeah once it is cursed might as well sting it. you can also dip in fountains to try to uncurse
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14:57 <xdminsy> Name it sting will uncurse it?
14:57 <krm26> no, just improve it, since you cant stop using it
14:58 <krm26> dipping it might uncurse it
14:58 <xdminsy> Lol okay.
14:58 <krm26> although there can be unfortunate effects too, like all the snakes you can eat
14:58 <xdminsy> Yes, so I typically don't use fountain.
14:58 <xdminsy> Just afraid of water demon:P
14:59 <xdminsy> But I think maybe I don't fear that now.
14:59 <krm26> sometimes a water demon gives you a wish
15:00 <xdminsy> Yes but it's only at most 1/5 of those demons.
15:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:16504 (3:56:51)
15:00 <xdminsy> I like to quaff smoky potions.
15:00 <xdminsy> But maybe I need one wish this game.
15:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:16590 (3:57:27)
15:01 <krm26> danke throne!
15:02 <xdminsy> Holy, You hit yourself in the face.
15:02 <xdminsy> I don't know that cursed weapon may hit myself.
15:03 <krm26> dammit, i forgot taking off your shit is insufficient for minetown
15:05 <xdminsy> I think I should dip it in fountains, but there's no fountain before dl7.
15:06 <xdminsy> Apparently low wish chance.
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15:17 <xdminsy> I hate chameleon :P
15:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 17522 points, T:15897, killed by a blast of water
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15:19 <Loggers_VIII> chameleon turn into sea dragon?
15:20 <xdminsy> Yes, I think I choose the wrong way.
15:20 <xdminsy> A long corridor :P
15:20 <Loggers_VIII> ooh, yeah. unfortunate
15:20 <Loggers_VIII> you are getting good at con dro
15:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 16 points, T:111, killed by a grid bug
15:20 <xdminsy> I think I should ascend my local one first.
15:21 <Loggers_VIII> yeah, that one is quite stacked
15:22 <xdminsy> Lol yes, maybe because I dislike farming.
15:22 <xdminsy> But now I don't know how to ascend evilhack without farming :P.
15:23 <Loggers_VIII> it certainly makes the endgame a lot easier
15:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:1745 (0:19:12)
15:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a piranha), on T:1751 (0:19:18)
15:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 954 points, T:1827, killed by a piranha
15:34 <mobileuser> https://nethackscoreboard.org/firstasc.evil.html
15:34 <mobileuser> ^ krm26
15:34 <mobileuser> malor has removed the confusing demon column
15:36 <xdminsy> Those white and green background means?
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15:37 <bgt32> krm26: congrats :)
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15:37 <xdminsy> What the hell is converting altar, why so many minion..
15:37 <k3ut0i> krm26: congrats :)
15:37 <Hecubus> k3ut0i: Message from mobileuser at 2023-09-02 06:17 EDT: congrats!
15:39 <xdminsy> What's the chance that a minion wil summon in evilhack?
15:39 <xdminsy> It seems really high.
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> it's higher than vanilla
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> let me dig up the relevant commit
15:42 <xdminsy> So your that game is a already coaligned altar?
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> yes
15:42 <xdminsy> But fortunately my minion is a earth elemental, it's slow so I just go directly dl3.
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> on level one and two you're usually safe to convert, though
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> here: https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/69aa782d963fc6c7ac700d42f918f23d76bc314b
15:43 <Umbire> You can take out way higher level monsters with the right items and stuff
15:43 <Umbire> in cases like drow convict though you're usually up the creek
15:43 <Umbire> unless you run
15:43 <xdminsy> One my previous game sacrifice and minion comes too.
15:43 <xdminsy> In vanilla maybe I hardly never seen those :P.
15:46 <xdminsy> Thx loggers, I see that it'd be very dangerous.
15:54 <Umbire> Oh yeah, you hear the news about Jimmy Buffet?
15:54 <Loggers_VIII> yeah, just saw that
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7781 (1:00:33)
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16:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:8481 (1:06:03)
16:02 <Loggers_VIII> wow, everyone's playing convict today
16:04 <xdminsy> Lol convict festival.
16:05 <xdminsy> A dl3 rock mole eat my iron chain now.
16:05 <xdminsy> But there's a earth elemental in dl2, I think I can hardly go back.
16:06 <terrapin> i just threw a wand of wishing at a dwarf noble and they ignored it
16:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) destroyed Loggers' ghost, the former Jail-bird, on T:8918 (1:11:33)
16:06 <Loggers_VIII> yes if the entrance to goblin town/mines is on that level you're kind of fucked
16:06 <Loggers_VIII> terrapin they were playing wishless
16:06 <Loggers_VIII> no need to rub salt in the wound!
16:07 <xdminsy> goblin town is at level 3, haven't see mines.
16:07 <xdminsy> But it's hard to play without an altar :P.
16:07 <Loggers_VIII> that it is
16:07 <krm26> thx mobileuser, malor
16:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4149 (0:49:51)
16:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 1984 points, T:4149, killed by an invisible rothe
16:11 <krm26> at least you died literate!
16:11 <xdminsy> Lol yes, be surrounded by 4 rothe..
16:12 <xdminsy> At least I died unpunished.
16:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 341 points, T:1381, killed by a grid bug, while frozen by a potion
16:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 53 points, T:906, killed by a jackal
16:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 50 points, T:55, killed by a bolt of fire
16:18 <xdminsy> ...
16:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha), 17 points, T:263, killed by a kobold
16:21 <xdminsy> Lol lost patience, I act quickly :P.
16:21 <Loggers_VIII> yeah, me too :P
16:21 <Loggers_VIII> the game will give me a good start or I will die
16:21 <Loggers_VIII> I'm done messing around
16:21 <Loggers_VIII> because in the next version I won't be capable of winning con dro anymore, much less having fun with it
16:22 <xdminsy> I found an altar, and move 3 step and be killed by a kobold in melee :P.
16:22 <xdminsy> That's not a good news.
16:22 <Loggers_VIII> aw :(
16:22 <Umbire> Why's that again
16:22 <Loggers_VIII> because k2's making it so throwing the ball hurts
16:22 <Noisytoot> throwing the ball causes sear damage in the next version
16:22 <krm26> wrap your hands in your t-shirt first
16:23 <xdminsy> Ah I don't throw the ball, but I may wield it.
16:23 <krm26> the real rough part is you basically have to wield the ball to descend safely
16:23 <xdminsy> I found that if I don't wield it, I may likely be killed by a fox, but if I wield it, I can likely kill the fox.
16:24 <Loggers_VIII> krm26 you can just pick it up without wielding anything else and that has the same effect
16:24 <Umbire> ^
16:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 632 points, T:3632, killed by a giant bat
16:24 <Loggers_VIII> that's fun
16:25 <Loggers_VIII> got an altar but just got rng'd into not killing a wererat
16:25 <krm26> man, *i* can not kill a wererat without ANY rng
16:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a hobbit zombie, on T:17342 (4:31:13)
16:26 <krm26> oh F you random elf with a wand of polymorph
16:26 <Loggers_VIII> you have mind blast
16:27 <krm26> i said "not kill"
16:27 <Umbire> Meanwhile I just discovered the as yet unnamed sewer creature can dispose of zombie corpses 
16:28 <krm26> SO lucky, just got turned into a new illithid and lost my...snf...cloak of protection, +2 stone helm, and wooden chain
16:28 <Loggers_VIII> :(
16:29 <Loggers_VIII> don't tell k2 but beartraps should do iron damage
16:30 <krm26> you need to spell his name keightoo or he hears all
16:30 <Loggers_VIII> lol
16:30 <Loggers_VIII> he who must not be named
16:31 <krm26> or you can use the one time pad method we use to talk about k2 behind his back (the book is the first 1968 edition of Image of the Beast by Philip Jose Farmer)
16:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 613 points, T:1888, killed by a sewer rat
16:33 <Loggers_VIII> wow, removed the chain but got messed up by another wererat
16:34 <Loggers_VIII> as one of the new age players who hate anything difficult and are too used to soft baby games I respectfully ask for wererats to be removed from the game
16:34 <Loggers_VIII> also gonna put my 37th request to remove werebane here
16:34 <xdminsy> Better remove Con Dro lol.
16:35 <Loggers_VIII> add elf drow
16:36 <Loggers_VIII> er, con elf I mean
16:36 <xdminsy> con rat :P.
16:36 <Loggers_VIII> heh
16:37 <Loggers_VIII> con log
16:38 <Loggers_VIII> if I die one of you has to tell k2 to add me in as an npc so people can argue about whether or not it's ethical to kill me
16:38 <xdminsy> Replace the convict quest leader with you :P
16:39 <Loggers_VIII> lol
16:39 <Loggers_VIII> what's his name now? robert?
16:39 <Loggers_VIII> no one's heard of that guy
16:40 <krm26> maybe on day convict quest leader can be trump
16:41 <Loggers_VIII> maybe one day
16:41 <Loggers_VIII> I kind of doubt it, though.
16:41 <xdminsy> I haven't enter quest once.
16:42 <Loggers_VIII> it's easy
16:42 <krm26> ive ascended evilhack convict before but i have no recollection of it at all :-)
16:42 <xdminsy> This game my rocks just all break and have got only one cursed dagger.
16:42 <Loggers_VIII> @e?warden arianna
16:42 <Hecubus> Warden Arianna (@) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 40 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d25 weapon physical, 1d25 weapon physical, 1d6 claw amulet steal | Align: -14 | omnivore, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis
16:42 <Loggers_VIII> ^ that's the nemesis
16:42 <Loggers_VIII> she just does okay melee damage
16:42 <xdminsy> Can only use iron ball to melee, it's very strong weapon :P
16:43 <xdminsy> seems weak, but maybe I would choose ranged first.
16:43 <Loggers_VIII> I just beat the hell out of her with stormbringer and give the ball back to the leader
16:44 <Loggers_VIII> there's no reason to do the quest, really, besides a big shop on the middle level
16:44 <Loggers_VIII> and some sinks
16:44 <Loggers_VIII> (reasons besides being able to get the bell of opening)
16:44 <krm26> yeah the quest ball is the Worst Thing
16:44 <xdminsy> What material is it?
16:45 <krm26> poop
16:45 <krm26> it is made of poop
16:45 <terrapin> iron, but it won't harm you
16:45 <xdminsy> I see, iron ball, apparently made of iron.
16:45 <mobileuser> if it wasn't so heavy it would actually be really cool
16:45 <xdminsy> Then can I regenerate while wielding it?
16:45 <Loggers_VIII> it would be fucking awesome if it wasn't 300 aum or whatever
16:45 <Noisytoot> dnh and hackem replace it with a spoon
16:45 <terrapin> xdminsy yeah
16:45 <Loggers_VIII> dnh and hackem have the right idea
16:46 <mobileuser> yeah
16:46 <Loggers_VIII> although, honestly, just make it a ball but very light. that seems like the most fun
16:46 <krm26> well loggers you can always use it with armor of retribution
16:46 <Noisytoot> dnh also has the quest leader give you the iron ball of levitation, which actually increases carrycap while carried
16:46 <Loggers_VIII> krm26 as convict you want soa though
16:46 <krm26> there are plenty of other good weapons to use
16:46 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, I want soa every role.
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16:47 <Loggers_VIII> you could try to run like a stormbringer+angelslayer or something
16:47 <Loggers_VIII> HoTG if you're willing to HooA
16:47 <mobileuser> Loggers how are you going to get SoA if you stay chaotic
16:47 <Loggers_VIII> I am going to use a helm of opposite alignment to unlock long sword skill
16:48 <mobileuser> ah I see
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16:48 <krm26> what are you gonna do if you find sunsword randomly?
16:48 <Loggers_VIII> I am going to sacrifice for snickersnee
16:48 <krm26> man i always forget that piece of crap is lawful
16:48 <Loggers_VIII> and if I get both I can eat shit I guess
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16:49 <mobileuser> hope you don't get sammy bones
16:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3251 (0:18:20)
16:52 <Noisytoot> wield a long sword while crowning?
16:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 2127 points, T:3362, killed by a hill orc, while praying
16:52 <Loggers_VIII> I'm sorry hwhat
16:52 <Loggers_VIII> lolth
16:52 <Noisytoot> crowning unlocks your wielded weapon's skill
16:52 <Loggers_VIII> I last prayed like 900 turns ago
16:53 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I know that noisytoot but I want to crown early for resistances+stormy
16:54 <Loggers_VIII> fuckit this run wins
16:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:18356 (5:00:16)
16:56 <mobileuser> plus you already need to have your crowning gift I think Noisytoot
16:57 <mobileuser> ok, that shouldn't be much of a problem for a chaotic....
16:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3516 (0:32:44)
16:58 <mobileuser> although... evilhack
16:58 <Noisytoot> Does EvilHack add any new chaotic giftable artifacts?
16:59 <xdminsy> Secespita or luckbldae?
16:59 <xdminsy> Or maybe it just comes from other variants.
17:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1576 (0:05:22)
17:02 <Loggers_VIII> secespita and luckblade, yeah
17:02 <mobileuser> and the endless dagger gifts
17:02 <Loggers_VIII> secespita from the infidel patch and luckblade originally from slashem
17:04 <xdminsy> There's a neutral altar in level 2,
17:04 <xdminsy> I doubt if I can convert it.
17:04 <xdminsy> Maybe I shouldn't do this.
17:05 <Loggers_VIII> do it
17:05 <Loggers_VIII> what do you have to lose
17:05 <xdminsy> My 2 converting actions all summon a minion :P
17:05 <xdminsy> I doubt if this will be third minion.
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17:06 <xdminsy> Maybe later :P
17:07 <xdminsy> Haha, actually, there's another chaotic altar in level 2.
17:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3386 (0:13:28)
17:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3441 (0:13:37)
17:09 <Loggers_VIII> nice
17:09 <xdminsy> How much AC and hp do I need to kill elves from Sting?
17:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 3485 points, T:3974, killed by a dwarf lady
17:11 <mobileuser> damn
17:11 <Loggers_VIII> around 40 HP should be fine, AC irrelevant
17:12 <xdminsy> Hah really, I remember they may carry elven broadsword and well armors.
17:12 <Umbire> It's a matter of what you have on hand 
17:12 <Umbire> and that varies from elf ot elf
17:12 <Umbire> *to
17:12 <Umbire> Iron weapons are an important edge
17:12 <xdminsy> I have only one mithril war hammer :P
17:12 <Loggers_VIII> you'll always have the ball, which is more than enough
17:13 <xdminsy> Ah I dropped it.
17:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 44 points, T:782, killed by a newt
17:13 <Loggers_VIII> then go get it
17:13 <Loggers_VIII> ball trivializes elves
17:14 <xdminsy> Okay, I learnt.
17:22 <terrapin> so operation "technically still wishless" has netted me two shields of reflection, a potion of gain level, and a +3 ring of protection
17:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:1974 (0:03:02)
17:23 <terrapin> all in all i'd say it was worth it, but barely
17:23 <Loggers_VIII> heh
17:23 <Loggers_VIII> that's actually a pretty smart strat
17:23 <Loggers_VIII> if you get lucky could be great
17:23 <terrapin> yeah
17:24 <terrapin> i chose lawful monsters in the hope of just maaaaybe getting grayswandir
17:24 <terrapin> obviously wasn't gonna happen
17:24 <terrapin> but i can hope!
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17:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:59951 (21:11:32)
17:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a silver broadsword entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:4872 (0:07:37)
17:29 <xdminsy> Holy I cannibal every game.
17:29 <Loggers_VIII> heh, "looks like you are back in kansas" message when removing hallucination with prayer
17:29 <Loggers_VIII> never seen that one
17:29 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I always eat elves on accident at least once
17:30 <xdminsy> I sacrificed about 10 corpse and Lolth give me nothing I think.
17:30 <xdminsy> Sadly :P
17:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a mithril chain mail entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:6536 (0:11:04)
17:31 <Loggers_VIII> wow, that's 9 AC
17:31 <Loggers_VIII> and only 75 aum
17:31 <Loggers_VIII> (it's +3)
17:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of jumping boots entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:7424 (0:11:54)
17:32 <xdminsy> How do you sacrifice so fast and don't get hungry?
17:32 <Loggers_VIII> I pray when I'm weak
17:32 <xdminsy> Okay I see.
17:32 <Loggers_VIII> and keep lichen corpses for when I get a gift when I'm hungry
17:33 <Loggers_VIII> I am just fast, I guess
17:33 <Loggers_VIII> speaking of, my hands hurt so I'm going to take a break
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17:34 <xdminsy> seeya.
17:36 <terrapin> as a tourist with no decent tools except a can of grease, i have managed to grease my entire inventory \o/
17:36 <terrapin> (except projectiles)
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17:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:9128 (1:12:02)
17:41 <qt> terrapin: with the magic chest patch it looks like if you have menustyle:traditional set, and there are multiple items on the floor, you won't be able to try to tip anything but the magic chest
17:42 <qt> i think it shouldn't be an 'else' in pickup.c:3369 but just continue from there into the level.objects list
17:42 <qt> so if you say 'n' to tipping the magic chest it will prompt for other normal containers on that spot
17:44 <qt> https://termbin.com/l05o like that
17:45 <qt> cool patch, that will be neat to see in-game :)
17:45 <terrapin> yeah you're absolutely right re: the termbin (^ K2)
17:47 <qt> and also re: being neat
17:47 <qt> i'm right about everything
17:48 <terrapin> :D
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18:17 <Loggers_VIII> !who
18:17 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] xdminsy [evil] terrapin [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players
18:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:18326 (1:53:17)
18:19 <Loggers_VIII> \o/
18:21 <xdminsy> Maybe sacrificed at least 10k turns :(
18:21 <xdminsy> I hate Lolth.
18:23 <Loggers_VIII> sometimes that's how it goes
18:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:61364 (21:57:22)
18:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:61399 (21:58:36)
18:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:21145 (2:05:17)
18:33 <xdminsy> Accidentaly pray and angered Lolth :P
18:34 <Loggers_VIII> oh nooo
18:34 <Loggers_VIII> that will take forever to fix
18:34 <xdminsy> I think I'm a bit sleepy lol.
18:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:8500 (0:19:28)
18:34 <xdminsy> Maybe later I'd sleep,
18:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a silver knife entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:9157 (0:21:46)
18:39 <Loggers_VIII> hah, leprechaun has only 2 gold
18:39 <Loggers_VIII> what time is it for you xdminsy?
18:39 <xdminsy> Actually it's 6a.m. :P
18:40 <Loggers_VIII> bro
18:40 <Loggers_VIII> you gotta sleep!
18:40 <xdminsy> Lol later, I'd sleep soon.
18:41 <terrapin> o/
18:41 <terrapin> K2: setuswapwep doesn't switch off artifact intrinsics from the old swapwep
18:41 <Loggers_VIII> o/
18:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:22511 (2:16:03)
18:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a silver knife entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:11332 (0:26:42)
18:42 <terrapin> this means if you twoweapon with an artifact in the offhand, then wield another weapon so that you stop twoweaponing, you still have artifact intrinsics from your alternate, unwielded weapon
18:42 <Loggers_VIII> wow, another silver knife? for me? thank you lolth
18:42 <Loggers_VIII> terrapin don't tell him that
18:42 <terrapin> she's preparing you for Gehennom!
18:42 <terrapin> a real vote of confidence
18:42 <Loggers_VIII> maybe in gehennom I can kill her and get my vengeance
18:43 <terrapin> heh
18:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:22639 (2:18:25)
18:45 <Loggers_VIII> oh nice, smoky potion is gain ability
18:47 <Umbire> sick
18:51 <terrapin> oh hey remember that bug where someone disintegrated a soldier and then decapitated them in the same hit?
18:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:16116 (0:36:25)
18:51 <terrapin> i just had something similar, with a shapechanger getting disintegrated with my mainhand and then hit with my offhand (no kill so no crash/panic, though)
18:53 <Loggers_VIII> hah I was the one who got the disint decap
18:53 <Loggers_VIII> is that fixed? that was badass
18:53 <terrapin> yeah it was awesome
18:54 <terrapin> i don't think it's fixed
18:54 <terrapin> i vaguely recall not being able to reproduce the offhand hit after mainhand disintegration, which is why i was surprised to see it now
18:54 <Loggers_VIII> yeah that's strange
18:56 <Loggers_VIII> oh, I remember now; I disintegrated a soldier who was riding a centaurian soldier and then decapitated the centaurian one. so I didn't instakill the same monster twice
18:57 <Loggers_VIII> so your thing sounds different
18:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:17149 (0:42:44)
18:58 <terrapin> oh yeah that's a little different
18:58 <terrapin> still a theme of "instakill, but a monster is still in the same square after"
18:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:17584 (0:43:29)
19:00 <Loggers_VIII> is there a table of the artifact gift chance per xlvl or do I gotta go dig around through github commits
19:01 <Loggers_VIII> *is there a table somewhere
19:01 <terrapin> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/8b21640897b12312f5529e0d9a5dfb0b1c637344/src/pray.c#L2214
19:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:17942 (0:46:12)
19:02 <Loggers_VIII> thx
19:02 <Loggers_VIII> now with the split chance to get mundane/artifact gifts once you get enough mundane gifts you'll actually get better chances at getting artifacts, which is nice
19:03 <terrapin> how so?
19:04 <Loggers_VIII> no nevermind that doesn't make sense
19:04 <Loggers_VIII> I had a brain fart
19:04 <k3ut0i> Hand of Vecna will remain after dying due to life saving right?
19:04 <Loggers_VIII> got attacked by a mind flayer earlier :p
19:04 <Umbire> https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1008045/what-is-the-mathematical-notation-for-a-random-number-in-a-certain-range
19:05 <Loggers_VIII> k3ut0i yes
19:05 <Umbire> ^trying to find a way of representing this that's compatible with the <math> code on wiki
19:05 <Loggers_VIII> actually, wait. maybe I was right
19:05 <k3ut0i> In my previous game, it might have bured away after I died once in lava.
19:06 <terrapin> as someone who has taken a fair number of math courses, I think it's fair to say the most common notation is "a random number between x and y"
19:06 <terrapin> maybe "a random integer" if you want to be precise
19:06 <Umbire> I mean putting it in equation form!
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19:07 <terrapin> 1dX + Y?
19:07 <Umbire> neither R∈{-1,...,AC} nor ∩[-1,AC] play nice enough
19:08 <Umbire> what I'm trying to signify is that for values where AC < 0, the AC in
19:08 <Umbire> 10 + AC + XL
19:08 <Umbire> is a random integer between -1 and your actual AC
19:08 <terrapin> 9 + 1d(AC + 1) + XL
19:08 <terrapin> oh wait for negative AC
19:09 <k3ut0i> Just to confirm: worn hand of vecna burning away in lava after life saving, is a feature and not a bug?
19:09 <terrapin> no, i stand by that
19:09 <krm26> k3ut0i, that is a bug
19:09 <Loggers_VIII> k3ut0i that should be bug I think
19:09 <krm26> hand of vecna should not be destroyed by anything
19:10 <terrapin> did you see it burn?
19:11 <k3ut0i> It wasn't in my inventory after life saving.
19:11 <krm26> i assume "after life saving" means he was wearing it, so it shouldn't come off under any circumstances
19:11 <k3ut0i> I was wearing it.
19:11 <krm26> although i've never looked to see what happens when you poymorph into a handless form :-)
19:11 <terrapin> well, there's a bug in there somewhere, for sure
19:11 <Umbire> terrapin, that doesn't work for AC -1
19:11 <terrapin> probably the hand just disappeared rather than burning up, which still shouldn't happen
19:12 <terrapin> sure it does, if you define 1d0 = 0
19:12 <terrapin> which seems reasonable
19:13 <terrapin> i still think that saying it in words will usually be clearer than equations unless you're doing some sort of general calculation
19:14 <terrapin> but then you'd probably be using expected values anyway
19:14 <Umbire> the words are accompanying the calculation, this is for the wiki article
19:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven short sword entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:21981 (0:58:24)
19:14 <Umbire> the words are also the easy part
19:14 <terrapin> cool
19:15 <Umbire> "''AC'' represents the target's current armor class value", etc. etc.
19:15 <terrapin> you're very brave to tackle explaining AC :)
19:15 <Loggers_VIII> krm26 I think one time I got slimed when I had the hand of vecna and it referred to it as melded with my "left pseudoplasm"
19:18 <Umbire> It's really not that complex is the thing
19:18 <Umbire> Putting it in equation form is the only real hurdle
19:18 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/832 for what I'm trying to do so far
19:20 <terrapin> does the wiki interpret latex?
19:20 <Umbire> Iunno
19:20 <terrapin> like $$R\in\{-1,\dots,\text{AC}\}$$ or something
19:20 <Umbire> I got "Failed to parse (lexing error)" if that means anything
19:20 <terrapin> no clue
19:21 <Umbire> That works though
19:21 <Umbire> just have to toss the dollar signs
19:21 <terrapin> oh neat
19:23 <terrapin> well i'd be happy to write up any equations, but one thing that might be helpful if you want to do any is https://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html
19:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:27307 (2:58:11)
19:24 <Umbire> good to know but that was the only hurdle
19:24 <Umbire> rest is just the usual sifting
19:24 <terrapin> oh nice
19:25 <Umbire> thank you
19:26 <terrapin> no problem!
19:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of power entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:13702 (1:43:00)
19:29 <Loggers_VIII> man, drow and elves are lucky they get to remove luck so easily
19:30 <Loggers_VIII> preventing crowning 'sa breeze
19:30 <terrapin> ooh that's clever
19:31 <terrapin> speaking of nethax, greasing weapons seems to work fine
19:31 <terrapin> only issue is if you attack something with a passive like yellow dragons or water elementals or whatever
19:32 <Loggers_VIII> does that also prevent bullwhips/bearded axes from stealing them?
19:32 <terrapin> no :'(
19:32 <Loggers_VIII> I keep bugging k2 about that
19:33 <Loggers_VIII> one of these days he'll crack
19:33 <terrapin> yeah it would be pretty neat
19:34 <krm26> @genocidebullwhips
19:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:34786 (1:19:14)
19:36 <terrapin> ugh, all the way through VotD and Vecna 1 and I still haven't IDed wands of cancellation
19:36 <terrapin> i really do not want to blow up BotH
19:37 <Umbire> No humanoid pet you could give the wand to?
19:37 <k3ut0i> Is convict killing minetown watch still an alignment penality?
19:37 <Umbire> Or, no, I'm thinking of having unID'd wands
19:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven tunic entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:36196 (1:21:07)
19:37 <Umbire> k3ut0i, yes but it's not as severe
19:37 <Umbire> Though you still want to avoid them detecting you
19:38 <Umbire> Invisibility works but elven watchfolks can see invis
19:38 <Loggers_VIII> "you feel that lolth is displeased" oops!
19:38 <Loggers_VIII> hopefully secespita will help with that
19:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an ice troll, on T:29436 (3:13:45)
19:39 <k3ut0i> yeah, there are a couple of elven watchmen :( maybe i'll come back after sokoban.
19:40 <Loggers_VIII> ah, I've got a vault on this level. I bet I can farm guards to mollify lolth
19:41 <Loggers_VIII> huh, "I saw your picture on the wanted poster!"
19:41 <Loggers_VIII> never seen that interaction before
19:41 <Umbire> Yeah guards and the watch insta-anger at convicts
19:42 <Umbire> k3ut0i, it's still doable with them, depending on where they're positioned in the town relevant to you
19:42 <Loggers_VIII> "You make an opening in the wall. You hear a distant chant. The damaged vault's walls are restored!" never seen that either! there's so many interactions in this game man
19:42 <Umbire> The guard restores the vault if they're present and alive, yes
19:42 <Umbire> It's actually pretty uncommon all things considered
19:43 <Umbire> Well that specifically, some people do farm guards for sacrifices
19:43 <Umbire> cathartes has done so a handful of times
19:43 <Loggers_VIII> wow, only needed to sac one god with secespita to totally mollify lolth
19:44 <Umbire> I mean sacrificing gods is a pretty sweet deal
19:45 <Loggers_VIII> oh lol
19:45 <Loggers_VIII> you know what I mean
19:46 <Loggers_VIII> god/guard, whatever, they sound similar
19:47 <Umbire> @e?guard
19:47 <Hecubus> guard (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 40 | Gen: special | AC: 10 | Atk: 4d10 weapon physical | Align: 10 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis
19:48 <Loggers_VIII> they actually can fuck you up pretty good
19:48 <Loggers_VIII> 4d10's no joke
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Con Ith Fem Cha) had a steel dwarvish short sword entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:20911 (5:37:01)
19:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:44267 (1:42:52)
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20:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:46922 (1:49:39)
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20:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a silver knife entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:48128 (1:52:22)
20:09 <Loggers_VIII> third silver knife, not that I can complain
20:12 <Loggers_VIII> I don't know why this happens, but I've noticed that when I drop dragonbane on an altar it ID's
20:12 <Loggers_VIII> like it goes from dragonhide gloves named dragonbane to just dragonbane
20:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven short sword entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:50477 (1:57:55)
20:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:51728 (2:01:23)
20:18 <Loggers_VIII> oh helllll yeah
20:19 <nabru> yay!
20:20 <Loggers_VIII> currently have -22 AC, 106 AC, reflection, and very fast speed; I've never even descended past level 3
20:20 <Loggers_VIII> *106 HP
20:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:54672 (2:09:21)
20:27 <krm26> the best!
20:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a mithril broadsword entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:56391 (2:17:32)
20:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven bracer entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:57646 (2:23:23)
20:43 <Loggers_VIII> YANI: glamdring has an invoke that scares all 'o' monsters in a radius
20:45 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Armor_class&diff=154372&oldid=143174 how's this look
20:49 <Loggers_VIII> looks good umbire!
20:49 <Loggers_VIII> the old AC page kind of sucked so it's a welcome change
20:50 <Umbire> There's a lot still unaccounted for like the free thing monsters get but it's a start towards making all this digestible
20:51 <Noisytoot> 106 AC would be very bad
20:51 <Loggers_VIII> noisytoot yeah but it would be pretty impressive!
20:51 <Umbire> frontload the stuff people expect to actually put into practice, then humor the math nerds
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20:52 <Umbire> maybe get a tiny bit little winmore in there if we have room
20:52 <Umbire> hi
20:52 <Hecubus> Hello Umbire, Welcome to #evilhack
20:52 <Loggers_VIII> yay, now people can look at the AC page and get information that's actually useful to the average player \o/
20:52 <Loggers_VIII> more easily, anyway
20:52 <Umbire> that's the goal
20:55 <Noisytoot> How do you not run out of food staying on dlvl3 for 50k turns?
20:56 <Loggers_VIII> praying
20:56 <Umbire> Convicts also take longer to hunger
20:57 <Loggers_VIII> only when they're hungry, though
20:57 <Loggers_VIII> but it's still nice
20:57 <Noisytoot> Do monks have the same or is that another variant?
20:57 <Loggers_VIII> I don't think that's in evil
20:58 <Loggers_VIII> makes sense, though.
20:58 <Umbire> longer to faint from hunger*
20:59 <Loggers_VIII> but yeah as long as you have like 2 food rations and an altar you can stay not starving indefinitely as any role, really
20:59 <Loggers_VIII> just gotta make sure you don't get crowned
21:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven short sword entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:63748 (2:43:52)
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21:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:68334 (2:59:31)
21:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:68707 (3:00:53)
21:18 <Loggers_VIII> lolth...
21:19 <Noisytoot> why do you hate werebane?
21:19 <Loggers_VIII> I just don't see anything good about it
21:20 <Loggers_VIII> maybe I could use it for that one room filled with werecreatures in vlad's tower, but otherwise d20 silver damage is just outclassed by pretty much everything in evilhack
21:20 <Loggers_VIII> I could just forge a silver saber of lightning and that'd be better for pretty much everything
21:20 <Noisytoot> it prevents you from getting lycanthropy while wielded
21:20 <Umbire> you know what else stops lycanthropy?
21:21 <Umbire> a silver blade through the sternum
21:21 <Loggers_VIII> there's just so many ways to get rid of lycanthropy that it's not an issue past like the super duper early game
21:21 <Noisytoot> and it can unrestrict the saber skill
21:21 <Loggers_VIII> okay that is the one thing it is good for
21:21 <Umbire> lmao
21:22 <terrapin> thing is saber skill is only really good for grayswandir
21:22 <terrapin> since any weapon can be silver in evil
21:22 <Umbire> silver saber of lightning could be just a silver aklys
21:22 <Loggers_VIII> I think werebane is decent in vanilla but in evilhack it has borderline no use
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> it's often worse than some of the regular items you get through sacrifice
21:23 <Noisytoot> dnethack improves werebane by making it do extra damage to and grant slotless warning of demihumans as well as werecreatures
21:23 <Loggers_VIII> what is demihuman?
21:23 <Umbire> Centaurs, nagas
21:23 <Umbire> that sorta shiz
21:23 <Noisytoot> mind flayers, deep* ones
21:24 <Umbire> part-humans, were-once-humans, etc. etc.
21:24 <terrapin> werebane literally means "humanbane." 10% instakill vs. Rodney et. al. plz
21:24 <Umbire> Did you mean: Thiefbane or Deathsword?
21:24 <Umbire> but yeah in Evil there's two new werecreatures and it's just outclassed by the other buffs artifacts have gotten
21:24 <terrapin> just etymologically
21:24 <Loggers_VIII> ohh noisytoot that's cool
21:24 <terrapin> doesn't make sense for the game, of course
21:25 <Loggers_VIII> whenever I bring up how werebane is ass k2 just goes "archaeologist" and ignores me :(
21:26 <terrapin> i've played several arcs and never once used a saber
21:26 <Umbire> I use sabers when I can because they're coo
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21:26 <Umbire> just werebane specifically never comes up for me
21:26 <terrapin> the only reason people use them in vanilla is because they are the highest-damage silver weapon
21:26 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
21:26 <Loggers_VIII> werebane would be so popular in vanilla if you could twoweapon artis
21:26 <Umbire> they're also generally good offhand weapons
21:27 <Loggers_VIII> yeah they compete with long swords damage wise and people love that extra d20
21:27 <Umbire> I mean SLASH'EM Werebane is popular mostly because those variants invented a problem for it to solve
21:27 <Umbire> and even then it's arguable if it's really popular
21:27 <terrapin> silver tridents are better and lighter
21:27 <Loggers_VIII> yeah aren't slashem werecreatures like super op?
21:28 <Umbire> only by virtue of fucked up polymorph rules
21:28 <Umbire> have to kill them in human form
21:28 <Loggers_VIII> weird
21:29 <Noisytoot> it could be useful if you want to farm werecreatures and not get lycanthropy, but protection from shapechangers works for that too
21:29 <Loggers_VIII> true
21:30 <Loggers_VIII> farming a clerical spellcaster for insects also works but you have to set up a little contraption because if you let them in melee range they'll curse your stuff and call down lightning and generally be pissy
21:30 <Loggers_VIII> lol, "the water nymph escapes the dungeon!"
21:31 <Loggers_VIII> not with anything of mine, luckily
21:31 <Loggers_VIII> oh finally level 12! now I have a 20% chance of a gift being an artifact \o/
21:32 <Loggers_VIII> @e?bat
21:32 <Hecubus> bat (B) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 22 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 1d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, infravis, passes-bars
21:33 <Noisytoot> actually PfSC is useless if you want to farm werecreatures because it will force them into human form and then they can't summon
21:34 <Noisytoot> still on dlvl 3?
21:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:70492 (3:16:54)
21:36 <Loggers_VIII> noisytoot my camp's on level one but yeah haven't gone down past level 3 yet
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21:42 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, polymorphed monsters return to their base form upon death just like you do
21:42 <Umbire> hop skip and jump from there to realize how fucked that is
21:43 <terrapin> and they don't get cancelled
21:44 <Loggers_VIII> so... how do they die??
21:44 <Umbire> kill them in base form and just hope they don't poly before then 4Head
21:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:72443 (3:27:01)
21:47 <Loggers_VIII> ah duh
21:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:72888 (3:31:10)
21:50 <K2> hi
21:50 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
21:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a steel ring mail entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:72933 (3:31:35)
21:50 <Loggers_VIII> hi k2
21:50 <Umbire> 'lo K2 
21:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a mithril saber entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:73616 (3:33:20)
21:52 <Loggers_VIII> cmon lolth you know you wanna give me stormbringer
21:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven helm entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:73845 (3:35:05)
21:54 <Loggers_VIII> amazingly, I didn't have a helmet yet, so that's nice
21:54 <Loggers_VIII> -35 AC now
21:57 <Umbire> just don't choke this man
21:57 <Umbire> ~~espeically not on another wraith corpse~~
21:57 <Loggers_VIII> pfft
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21:58 <Loggers_VIII> the game seemed intent on showing me ways it could screw me over with RNG today so now I'm asserting my dominance
22:02 <K2> :)
22:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:76925 (3:57:36)
22:16 <Loggers_VIII> fuckin finally
22:16 <Loggers_VIII> I'm taking a break my hands HURT
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22:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:63556 (1 day, 0:13:23)
22:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:22003 (2:54:12)
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22:43 <K2> qt you get this apt in NYC for $650/mo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T7Wpg7A_xw
22:43 <qt> I'll take it
22:44 <K2> would you seriously?
22:45 <qt> I don't think I could, I have to work from home and there's no space to set up a computer and stuff
22:45 <K2> yup
22:45 <K2> 150 sq ft
22:46 <qt> wait is there a bathroom?
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22:47 <K2> in the hallway
22:47 <qt> so it's a shared bathroom?
22:48 <K2> yeah
22:48 <qt> yeah that's not great
22:48 <K2> agreed
22:48 <qt> i also wouldn't want to live in midtown manhattan
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22:48 <qt> honestly idk if I'd mind the space thing that much if I didn't have to work from home
22:48 <qt> it'd be like being back in the womb
22:49 <K2> there's no getting out of that bed quickly 
22:49 <qt> but the bathroom situation is bad, i wouldn't want to live in midtown manhattan (expensive and sterile), no oven is bad
22:49 <K2> brb
22:49 <qt> I already have a loft bed that I have to climb into like that
22:50 <qt> that one actually seems a lot nicer than my bed because mine is freestanding and wobbles all the time, I will probably die at some point when it collapses
22:52 <qt> my ceiling is a lot higher though
22:53 <qt> or the bed is a lot lower
22:53 <Loggers_VIII>  [hdf-us] [netyork] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 27826 points, T:11166, killed by a collapsing bedframe
22:53 <qt> probably a combination of both
22:54 <qt> it kind of looks like the bathroom may not be shared, just is in the hallway
22:54 <K2> hmm
22:54 <K2> that's a bit better
22:55 <qt> yeah I'm going to see if I can get the lease out from under her now
22:55 <K2> btw Loggers_VIII, werebane is awesome
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> no it is not
22:55 <K2> a w e s o m e
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> are you actually on acid this time
22:55 <K2> heh
22:55 <K2> how do you propose to make werebane better
22:55 <qt> she has a dog!?
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> I don't
22:55 <qt> that's just cruel
22:55 <Loggers_VIII> remove it
22:56 <K2> qt yeah she shouldnt have a pet at all
22:56 <qt> yeah that's not cool
22:56 <K2> even keeping a cat in that place would not be good
22:56 <K2> but an actual dog, blah
22:56 <K2> good sized one too from the looks of it
22:56 <qt> and it's left cooped up in that apartment all day when she's at work, at least some of the time
22:56 <qt> must be an unhappy dog
22:57 <Umbire> the real problem is making werebane better without scope creep just turning it into a different artifact entirely
22:57 <K2> its weird, bourbon actually likes to be put in her crate at night
22:57 <Loggers_VIII> used to have some neighbors who worked all day and had two dogs; from what I could tell the dogs spend 99% of their life sitting in the one spot in the backyard with shade
22:57 <K2> i think its because she was just so used to it from her previous owner
22:57 <qt> maybe she thinks it's like the womb
22:57 <Umbire> like I said, you have weredemons and the Rat King, which can be threats but not enough to like, really give Werebane more of a usecase
22:57 <qt> was her previous owner a dog crate salesman?
22:58 <Umbire> because it's just a regular silver saber against not-werecreatures
22:58 <K2> no, a breeder, she was a show dog
22:58 <qt> oh cool
22:58 <K2> won several shows actually
22:58 <Noisytoot> Loggers_VIII: do you not complain about trollsbane/ogresmasher because it can be forged into ashmar?
22:58 <K2> blue ribbon dog
22:58 <qt> yeah makes sense she'd be trained to be comfortable in a crate then
22:58 <Loggers_VIII> noisytoot yeah. plus ogresmasher is nice for low-con roles
22:59 <qt> werebane: have it turn non-werefoo enemies into wolves randomly on hit :)
22:59 <Umbire> and instakill smashes are always nice
22:59 <Loggers_VIII> trollsbane is even worse than werebane but it can be used in a way that is useful
22:59 <qt> or jackals
22:59 <K2> Loggers_VIII our backyard is fenced in, we leave our dogs outside when we go to work. they love it
22:59 <qt> imagine hitting Rodney and he turns into a wolf
22:59 <Loggers_VIII> yeah a lot of dogs like it
22:59 <K2> yeah they spend most of their time sleeping in one of a few different cozy spots
22:59 <Noisytoot> con-dro is low-con con
22:59 <Umbire> trollsbane at least has the regen thing going for it but in Evil it and werebane are super outclassed as artifacts
22:59 <Loggers_VIII> idk why but their dogs were always sort of sad :(
22:59 <K2> but, they run around and play too
22:59 <qt> they were sad because they weren't living in a tiny apartment
23:00 <Loggers_VIII> heh
23:00 <qt> enjoying the hustle and bustle of the big city
23:00 <K2> heh
23:00 <K2> maybe if werebane were a long sword
23:01 <Loggers_VIII> no being a saber is like the only thing cool about it :p
23:01 <K2> werebane would be super useful in vlads tower
23:01 <Noisytoot> why do drow start with sleep resistance when elves only get it at XL4?
23:01 <Loggers_VIII> something something drow poison
23:01 <K2> Noisytoot - their exposure to sleep poison
23:01 <Umbire> that's like the primary/only usecase
23:01 <qt> drows take amphetamines before they enter the dungeon
23:02 <Noisytoot> if it were a long sword it would be more useful for unrestricting the skill
23:02 <qt> that's why they're afraid of the light, their pupils get big from the speed so it hurts their eyes
23:02 <K2> :)
23:02 <Loggers_VIII> what kind of amphetamine
23:02 <qt> I wouldn't know, I'm not a drow
23:02 <Loggers_VIII> (insert meth joke followed up by shoehorned breaking bad reference here)
23:02 <K2> maybe if werefoo were more of a threat, you'd see werebane as being more useful
23:03 <Loggers_VIII> that is an interesting idea
23:03 <Umbire> changing it to a longsword just catapults it headlong into the old "Giantslayer" problem where it's a decent base weapon still looking for a solution to an even smaller problem
23:03 <Umbire> the air quotes should be around "old" because I'm thinking vanilla giantslayer
23:03 <Loggers_VIII> but if you buff werecreatures you gotta make them not appear on like, dungeon level 2 anymore
23:03 <Noisytoot> Is giantslayer any good in evilhack?
23:04 <Loggers_VIII> I have had exactly one (1) run where I got giantslayer super early as a tourist and enjoyed using it
23:04 <Umbire> I'm thinking less "buff existing werecreatures" and more "sprinkle a couple of stronger ones in there"
23:04 <K2> it is. espeically if you're a valkyrie
23:04 <Loggers_VIII> giant strength is kind of a huge boon
23:04 <K2> *especially
23:04 <Umbire> yeah it's a spear and giants are kebabable
23:04 <K2> it also confers knockback res
23:04 <Loggers_VIII> obviously it falls off fast mid game but there's a relatively large window of usefulness
23:05 <Loggers_VIII> plus, it's not nonaligned so I don't have to see it every fuckin game like werebane :)
23:05 <Noisytoot> giantslayer changes are not mentioned on the wiki page
23:05 <Umbire> giants are also more of a thing throughout since they're racial mons + player mons now
23:05 <Umbire> clearly we fix werebane by adding playermon werefoo /j
23:06 <Loggers_VIII> ^ I know umbire said /j but this is a fun idea
23:07 <K2> yeah somehow giantslayer slipped through the cracks on the evilhack wiki
23:08 <Umbire> a bunch of the banes aren't fully updated for various reasons
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23:11 <Umbire> maybe extend the bonus to include druids somehow?
23:11 <Umbire> shot in the dark
23:11 <Umbire> (that's relying completely on the druid to actually have animal-shifting powers, else it's dead in the water)
23:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] k3ut0i (Con Ith Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:26507 (3:35:00)
23:15 <Umbire> most I can think of atm though is like
23:16 <Umbire> giving it a bonus of sorts against shapeshifters in general
23:21 <Umbire> bit of "original sin" here wrt designing an artifact that literally only works on like
23:21 <Umbire> 3 vanilla monsters
23:21 <Umbire> s/works/has major bonuses
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