00:04 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven bracer entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:10346 (1:31:50) 00:08 can blue dragons' shock breath destroy rings? 00:11 Yes, as all shock damage can 00:11 It's basically a ray of lightning 00:11 ugh 00:11 fort ludios has 1 shadow 1 black dragon, and 2 sea dragons in throne room 00:11 the shadow dragon is draining my hp 00:15 shadow dragons are no joke 00:15 want to hear a funny joke 00:21 yea 00:21 damn black+orange+sea now 00:23 and...a beholder spawned while i'm eating the black D lol 00:25 knock knock... 00:28 daaaayum... why not wield muramasa and vorpal together? You'd be a vitamix! 00:32 so i have vorpal, muramasa, SoA, +7 snickersee 00:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4364 (0:55:05) 01:11 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 01:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5754 (1:23:37) 01:38 !who 01:38 xdminsy: [hdf-us] xdminsy [evil] eggandhull [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 01:40 -!- bgt32 has joined #evilhack 01:40 -!- bgt32 is now known as k3ut0i 01:40 Hello. 01:40 Hello xdminsy, Welcome to #evilhack 01:41 Hi, xdminsy 01:43 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:56555 (1 day, 13:21:11) 01:52 'lo 01:52 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 01:57 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:57 Will a demon lord lair be empty if one was gated? I seem to have encountered an empty tier 2 lair. 01:58 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of iron tekko entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:102152 (21:47:34) 02:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 02:03 I think yes in vanilla. 02:04 Some chaotic roles may sacrifice to summon Juiblex and Yeenoghu maybe? 02:09 Yes, that's normal 02:10 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:19 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:57169 (1 day, 14:00:40) 02:22 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 02:27 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:51 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 02:57 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:59 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Glamdring 03:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:39 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:39 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:53 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 03:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:53 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 03:58 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 04:02 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 04:07 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:26 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:57 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:27570 (6:07:21) 05:07 It's like, I sacrificed maybe 20 or 30 corpses :( 05:15 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:29432 (6:25:05) 05:31 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 05:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a steel knife entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:31837 (6:41:19) 05:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:31976 (6:42:21) 05:36 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:33098 (6:46:14) 05:37 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:48 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a copper knife entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:34785 (6:56:50) 05:54 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 05:59 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:05 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a steel stiletto entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:36274 (7:14:23) 06:24 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) had a shield of reflection entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:39161 (7:33:06) 06:42 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 06:49 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 06:54 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:58 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:15 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 07:20 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:21 K2: I don't know if it makes sense from a narrative POV to have magic chests in Gehennom (also castle and votd are so close by, I would certainly remove one of them) 07:54 yeah that's what I said earlier (nix castle) 07:55 hmm 07:55 actually, one should be in the castle and not the votd, because of the way the flow of the game will go. go through hell -> sanctum -> purgatory -> come back out at the castle 07:57 !tell k3ut0i you asked 'Will a demon lord lair be empty if one was gated? I seem to have encountered an empty tier 2 lair.' yes that can happen 07:57 k3ut0i shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2. 08:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 08:05 also, the VotD is technically Gehennom 08:07 yup 08:08 i had to change the portal to the branch under the castle. it's located in the votd instead of the castle itself. kept getting program in disorder messages 08:08 'two levels on same branch?' 08:08 but now it's actually under the castle 08:08 so yay 08:09 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:09 but branch chain stairs and level stairs are possible even in 3.4 08:09 but chain branch from the castle, if you set it to anything other than (0, 0) it wont work 08:10 and gehennom is already a chain branch off of the castle 08:10 so i had two diff chain branches using 0, 0 08:10 no workie right 08:12 You could extend the dungeons of doom one level below the castle and have the beholder branch go from there 08:12 but that might mess with levelporting 08:17 oh, I thought you wanted a cellar level below the castle. that would have been still part of the dungeons of doom branch. 08:17 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 08:18 i thought about going that route, but opted to make it a branch instead. allows me to do some other things 08:18 heya krm26 08:18 still have power \o/ 08:19 nothing happening here yet, ominous gray with some wind and a constant scattering of rain 08:19 the biggest effect is the county canceled school so i'm stuck with the spawn 08:20 who is still arguing after the fact that because there is no school she shouldnt have had to do exercise with me in the morning 08:20 hah 08:21 'wrong offspring' 08:22 heard idalia was a cat 4 hurricane for a brief time, back down to cat 3 as it made landfall 08:26 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 08:26 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 08:26 we are already south (and a bunch east) of the eye, on the "dirty edge" of the storm... at this point, an unlucky tornado should be all that could spoil me day 08:27 tallahassee on the other hand must have a lot more lgbt people cuz idalia is going to town on it 08:27 ugh 08:28 yeah this hurrican is off-book, god is supposed to be smiting places like orlando 08:28 must have a woman driver 08:28 ! i must have woke up salty today, sorry :-) 08:29 watched a video clip last night, someone had recorded from an apt/hotel balcony in FL. gulf coast beach, dark clouds, wind blowing hard, big waves. bunch of people on the beach still. water spout forms to the west in the water just a few hundred feet away, small but still good sized 08:29 out of the gaggle of people on the beach, you can see only 2-3 trying to move away 08:29 within less than a minute, the water spout makes landfall, directly on the spot with the most people on the beach 08:30 beach chairs, umbrellas, and a few people go *flying* 08:30 as in up, not just out 08:30 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:30 congrats, you just got hit by an EF1 tornado 08:30 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8515 (2:18:41) 08:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:40 !who 08:40 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] dbanethacker [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 08:40 the cheese stands alone 08:41 heh 08:43 how goes the funny beholder level k2? 08:47 its going 08:47 working on the map now 08:47 cool 08:48 i may break this up into a couple commit, first being the level itself, 2nd being the beholder boss and all the stuff that goes with it 08:48 makes sense 08:48 how you get to the level, second downstairs in the castle? 08:49 no, it'll be a portal found in the votd 08:49 ah 08:49 we were discussing this about an hour ago here, trying to have a 2nd chainbranch off of the castle level was causing issues 08:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:49 -!- doppleganger has joined #evilhack 08:50 -!- doppleganger is now known as Loggers_VIII 08:51 at level 18 and t72k my int is now high enough to read level 2 spell books! 08:52 \o/ 08:52 hah 08:52 how is that possible 08:52 where can infidels buy protection? 08:52 only in the sanctum? 08:54 valley, presumably 08:54 oh that guy right 08:54 kathryn's dude isn't molochy? 08:55 he is 08:55 can infidels permaconvert 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:72384 (1 day, 5:50:34) 09:06 back to daggers i see 09:06 got bored with clubs 09:12 yay, I have some good weapons now. mithril dwarvish short sword and copper aklys :) 09:13 dwarven? whatever 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:73082 (1 day, 6:06:48) 09:14 okeydokey, i can make soa and maybe give paladin another shot 09:14 only took 2 days 09:14 K2: first things first. is hardfought.org hurricane safe? 09:14 moloch hates you 09:14 yes 09:14 k2 wont let me host a server in a hurricane-vulnerable area because he is selfish 09:15 the selfishness of that evilhack dev astounds me sometimes 09:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:16 @e?mordor orc 09:16 Mordor orc (o) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 5 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical | Align: -5 | genocidable, omnivore, infravis 09:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:73262 (1 day, 6:09:19) 09:16 the evilhack dev is obviously expendable, otherwise he wouldn't live in a hurricane endangered area 09:16 it is true, florida is shipping more and more of its hurricanes to vermont 09:16 yeah what a dick 09:17 hurricane's going up to vermont? yeesh 09:17 i think in vt it is winter storm > rain > hurricane 09:17 back in 2011 we got the remnants of hurricane irene 09:17 whereas in florida it is governor > legislature > people > hurricane 09:18 high winds, LOTS of flooding 09:18 lots of downed trees 09:18 so what is the exact mechanic of cursed melee vs non-cursed melee weapon for infidel? 09:18 krm26: How can K2 let or not let you host a server somewhere? 09:19 a HARDFOUGHT server 09:19 sarcasm doesnt always translate well in chat I suppsoe 09:19 yes, I supp soe as well 09:20 yeah noisytoot, nothing i say is worth paying attention to prolly 09:20 heh 09:20 ignore krm26, he is the devil 09:20 yeah, I think there is some double standards there 09:20 the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was living in florida 09:20 I'm pretty sure he didn't ask Tangles if the servers are poison resistant when he set them up in Australia. those servers are totally in danger of being bitten by deadly spiders 09:21 hah 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:73437 (1 day, 6:14:29) 09:21 wow nice 09:21 of come ON MOLOCH, like 2 seconds after i make soa? 09:21 wekjgkjdfg 09:21 just twoweapon? 09:21 now i don't know what to do anymore 09:21 or can inf not 09:21 not 09:21 laaaame 09:22 every role deserves to twoweapon 09:22 false 09:22 fed spotted 09:22 dnh allows everyone to twoweapon 09:22 just with very bad to-hit 09:23 srsly -- specific mechanic for cursed melee weapons for infidels? do they get a bonus or something? 09:23 is it worth recursing after enchanting? 09:24 Noisytoot: isn't that kinda a fu? 09:24 krm26 yes 09:24 cursed weapons/armor = good for infidels 09:24 knowing dnh there's a way to manipulate your TH to make it a gazillion anyway 09:24 can you be more specific k2 :-) 09:26 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#New_player_roles 09:26 ok yeah i know they "benefit" but now you're making me go read your code :-) 09:27 bhaak: it's better than not being able to twoweapon at all 09:28 cursed armor is better for spellcasting but blessed weapons are better for hitting ghosts/spectres/shades krm26 09:28 if bad twoweaponing is better than the additional AC you could from a shield, there's something wrong with AC in the game 09:28 bhaak correct 09:28 althought knowing how AC works in vanilla, this might be true everywgere 09:29 AC sucks 09:29 even from a cursed weapon won't the elemental damage (i.e. fire from firebrand) still hit ghosts? 09:29 and as noisytoot will tell you, dnh also makes adjustments to AC 09:29 splits it between AC and damage reduction 09:29 krm26 don't know really 09:29 bad twoweaponing is just bad, at least in evilhack it is perfectly possible to miss some things all the time with basic twoweapon skill 09:29 and the priest at Kathryn is Moloch 09:30 so a great place for buying protection and altar camping 09:30 so i guess i'll use angelslayer for now to keep my loot rate up and if i ever grow another pair of balls for paladin switch to soa 09:30 krm26 I have done evil's endgame multiple times with apparently just basic twoweapon skill and it worked fine, barely noticed any misses, even against rodney 09:30 I may be totally placebo'd, though 09:31 rodney does occasionally break -40ac, and there is no way you're connecting with him very frequently with basic twoweapon 09:31 player monsters break that ALL the time 09:31 obv for the majority of targets it is fine 09:31 krm26 actually, the twoweaponing skill to-hit values were made slightly better vs vanilla nethack 09:31 but nothing in vanilla is hard to hit 09:31 its when you try to fight with a too heavy weapon in offhand that to-hit goes to shit 09:32 krm26 there are a few monsters in vanilla with low AC 09:32 disenchanters 09:32 ghost 09:32 kittens 09:32 newts 09:32 cant hit those fuckers for nothing 09:33 you laugh but newts are extremely dangerous 09:33 @e?newt 09:33 newt (:) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 8 | Atk: 1d2 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, passes-bars 09:33 1d2? ridiculous 09:34 Loggers_VIII: you shouldn't name your characters Dudley 09:34 bhaak: monsters lose the free +10 to-hit and AC no longer provides damage reduction (that is split into DR, which shields don't provide), and two-handed weapons get double dbon from strength so they can be a viable option as well 09:34 YANI: newts get a bonus against Dudleys 09:34 lol 09:35 noisytoot I was looking at the dnh wiki page, if I get black dsm and black dragon shield can I shoot disintegration blasts? 09:35 I'm pretty sure that's not an original YANI 09:35 didnt devteam make twohanded weapons a bit more useful in 3.7 rrecently? 09:35 cuz that seems kinda crazy 09:35 k2 yeah a tiny bit 09:35 they also nerfed twoweaponing by a tiny bit 09:36 oof 09:36 and when I say they nerfed it by a tiny bit, I mean it. like you'll do 2-3 less damage or something 09:36 Loggers_VIII: disintegration just disenchants armour until it reaches 0 AC, then destroys it, and only instakills if no armour is left 09:37 boooo 09:37 let me oneshot all the bosses without trying 09:37 i assume once i am demon form i can eat tins of nurse meat with no issues? 09:37 yea 09:38 oh, that's a nice approach to the instadeath problem of disintegration 09:38 problem? 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:2806 (0:35:19) 09:38 K2: instadeaths are a problem 09:38 'instadeath' isnt a problem, its how it goes sometimes 09:39 to say it is, is catering to younger generations that are used to having an easy go at games 09:39 or just things in general 09:39 that made you sound so old 09:39 okay. you can of course argue that instadeaths are not a problem 09:39 i can 09:39 and I will :) 09:40 before they happen, they are not a problem because they haven't happened yet 09:40 after they have happened, they are also not a problem anymore as you are dead 09:40 the problem cannot be that removing instadeaths makes the game easier, because instadeaths are not difficult 09:40 problem solved 09:40 they are an absence of difficulty, and that's why they're lame 09:40 are starting with 3 lives next in the pipeline for nethack? 09:40 I don't think disintegration is bad though since by the time you see it you can prevent it 09:40 s/are/is 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3064 (0:38:05) 09:41 now ur just being silly 09:41 K2: in heaven or hell you start with 3 lives 09:41 things like this and monster polymorph always respecting difficulty are probably why the second longest streak is ndnh (the longest is vanilla but that's only because it has more players) 09:42 the longest streak is vanilla because so many people played it that eventually someone as insane is tariru was bound to pop up :p 09:42 *as insane as 09:42 Loggers_VIII: instadeaths don't really affect difficulty. they affect how the player has to prepare. because it is so binary the player doesn't struggle when faced with an instadeath situation. either they are prepared and survive or they aren't and die. 09:43 I have to wonder, weren't they bored? playing 60 something games of vanilla in a row seems boring af 09:43 bhaak yeah exactly 09:43 have you ever watched tariru's play style? 09:43 Loggers_VIII: something like reducing AC OTOH makes the game more difficult from that point on. whereas disintegration a whole piece of armor might make the player rage quit 09:43 the problem arises when the RNG decides that the player is not allowed to prepare this time 09:43 k2 yeah it's crazy 09:44 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:3327 (0:41:06) 09:44 watched a couple of tone's videos reviewing them. as shadowrider said, goat player analyzes goat player 09:44 the potential to overcome very very very bad rng is part of the game's appeal imo 09:44 yes that's good 09:44 which can mean accepting a few early gnomes with wands of death 09:44 they stick in your mind but they aren't frequent 09:45 overcoming gwawod is not interesting because all you do is get lucky 09:45 you don't actually "do" anything 09:45 in fact i think you're more likely to stumble into an early fountain wish 09:45 right, but they aren't there to overcome, they are part of the cruel randomness that can lead to late difficulties you can overcome with careful play and understanding and planning 09:46 yea which is the part I disagree with 09:46 but a gnome with a wand of death doesn't lead to late difficulties 09:46 instadeath isnt an issue. proof - https://nethackscoreboard.org/ascended.evil.html 09:46 either you die, or worst case, you get an early wand of death 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 16672 points, T:3443, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster 09:47 the gnome with a wand of death isn't a specific insert, it is an edge presentation of a general bell curve of randomness that works well for the majority of the game 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Dwa Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:3076 (0:44:39) 09:48 omg 267 asc 09:48 i have failed, no one should be ascending that often :P 09:48 omg I can't believe mobileuser has ascended 200 times 09:48 hahah 09:48 :p 09:48 we've been having luck with stealing vanilla players lately 09:48 he has 20% of the evilhack ascensions 09:49 well, then you can insert a "if (!rn2(10000)) { done(DIED) }" at every turn in the code. 09:49 it's not unfair, you can wear an amulet of life saving :) 09:49 bhaak lol 09:49 a random instadeath is neither interesting nor fair to the player 09:49 you use this word 'fair' like it has any bearing 09:49 that is i think false and here is why: 09:49 it's much better to let them think they got away and then do them in with something embarrassing 09:50 there's no such thing as 'fair' 09:50 the potential for those instadeaths is what you prepare against. preparing against them successfully = satisfaction and perhaps ascension 09:50 you cant ALWAYS prepare for them in time, that is what it is 09:50 and i'm not talking about just games 09:50 K2: the player needs to think they have a fair chance, otherwise they won't try 09:50 life is pain, highness 09:50 bhaak i think evilhack has that covered 09:50 it looks like i have 15% of the evilhack ascensions, and i think evilhack (which i love) is plenty fair, and perhaps NOT QUITE evil enough 09:51 almost 100,000 games played 09:51 well, yes, nobody of us started life willingly, so people can complain that life isn't fair but it doesn't change much 09:51 k2 I love evilhack but the fun part is not the early game where you can die for no reason 09:51 you're just really good at making levels and monsters 09:51 the early game is the best part 09:51 no way 09:51 early game does have a unique appeal 09:51 in all of the variants the late game is the weakest 09:51 K2: you hear that? purgatory was a waste of time ;-) 09:51 heh 09:52 Loggers_VIII thank you :) 09:52 i think evilhack has one of the least-weak of the endgames for sure 09:52 but (for me) the most compelling part of the *hacks is assembling the ascension kit 09:52 no problem k2 :) 09:52 now stick to what you do best and stop talking about instadeath :P 09:52 sporkhack is the same way but much more subtle 09:52 in vanilla, once you have assembled it there is very little interest remaining in the game, it is a done deal 09:53 leading to lots of characters being parked at the castle 09:53 dnh has an interesting late game too up to acquiring the amulet 09:53 they should charge a parking fee 09:53 unnethack has some of the best side branches 09:53 yeah, i've left a crapton of vanilla characters at the castle before i started varianting 09:54 yeah quitting vanilla at the castle is a disturbingly prevalent thing 09:54 the problem with side branches (which are great) is that they ALSO invariably lower the difficulty of the game by inflating material 09:54 so you cant put too many in 09:54 yeah 09:54 hard to strike a balance 09:54 K2: neither moria nor sheol were designed by me :-) 09:54 vanilla has actually made people die after the castle now, though, with knockback and liquid in gehennom 09:54 bhaak :/ 09:54 bhaak who did it 09:55 my unnethack favorites are (in order) moria, dragon caves, sheol 09:55 in what order you ambiguous goofball 09:55 Loggers_VIII: Sheol is by Adeon and Moria was by an early heavy contributor that just vanished at some point 09:55 moria most fav 09:56 the Dragon Caves are from an obscure japanese variant "NetHack Brass R/S" 09:56 no way 09:56 gonna toot my own horn here, I think the ice queen realm is some of my best work 09:56 have you guys seen that japanese physical copy of nethack 09:56 even hothraxxa likes it 09:57 k2 yeah 09:57 especially the first level 09:57 Loggers_VIII: no? 09:57 that one's sublime 09:57 the shadow lies upon his tomb in moria, in khazad-dum, but still the sunken stars appear in dark and windless mirrormere 09:57 bhaak idk where I saw it but I know it exists 09:57 has an anime girl on the cover with a sword 09:58 this one? https://twitter.com/roguetemple/status/1664777390353002499 09:58 no, that's news to me 09:59 a PC-98 port. 09:59 yeah lol 10:00 someday I will find a copy of that alleged 200-page illustrated manual 10:01 a holy grail of my own 10:03 yay, random blessed full ID :) 10:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:7120 (1:04:57) 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:74582 (1 day, 6:58:14) 10:06 Loggers_VIII: there's also a German manual from the 80s 10:06 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/cg9ybg/the_complete_german_nethack_guidebook_from_the_90s/ 10:07 -!- UnFortuneCookie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07 !lastgame Loggers 10:07 xdminsy: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1693349634.evil.html 10:07 the post says 90s, but the book says 1988 10:08 hah I will collect them all 10:08 it's not quite clear what version that's supposed to be as it has a jedi knight role 10:08 xdminsy my last good run I choked on a wraith corpse :p 10:08 slashem, probably 10:09 or was slashem not around then... 10:09 Lol you are greedy :P 10:09 they're unsolid how the fuck do you choke on them???? hdkjashdkjashkdhaskjdhkas 10:09 https://subrosalabel.bandcamp.com/track/othin-spake-the-nethack-dictionary 10:09 bhaak send a message to the devteam for me: your days are numbered 10:10 delete wraith corpses from the game now, or suffer the consequences 10:13 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7535 (1:10:32) 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:7863 (1:13:18) 10:18 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:22 past the very early game, drow convict is so beautifully balanced 10:22 such a fun dynamic 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:6424 (1:23:01) 10:27 I can't feel that :P 10:28 I consider them much weaker tourist, they have poor weapon selection and can't goto minetown. 10:28 :P And so few HP.. 10:29 but clawing yourself up from nothing with pure will is such a wonderful feeling 10:29 Lol today I sacrifice a maybe 25 corpses to get Luck blade, and later 6 gifts are plain weapons :( 10:29 yeah you know what fuckit you can't have opinions on instadeath until you ascend con dro 10:29 xdminsy well yeah you're pretty low level 10:29 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:29 I'm 10 maybe. 10:30 you won't get hardly any gifts at that levle 10:30 Ah I want some armors. 10:30 no loggers, until you ascend tortle priest 10:30 until you ascend tortle tourist 10:30 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:30 pffft even vaderflag has ascended tortle tourist, LAME 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Yeshua (Mon Dwa Mal Law), 12177 points, T:6744, killed by a gray unicorn 10:32 scroll of amnesia works with the help of helm of brilliance right? 10:32 k3ut0i: Message from K2 at 2023-08-30 07:57 EDT: you asked 'Will a demon lord lair be empty if one was gated? I seem to have encountered an empty tier 2 lair.' yes that can happen 10:32 K2: Thanks 10:33 k3ut0i, yes, you can use the helm to crack the minimum int for blessed amnesia 10:34 Need some advice on this giant samurai. Finding it really hard to keep pushing forward, just reached medusa/ice queen. -26 AC is subpar (and that's with a shield forgoing twoweapon). Without the ability to wear cloak/shirt/scaled armor, how does a giant get things like acid or drain or stone resistance? 10:34 you could get drain resistant large splint mail 10:34 you can wish for a helm or shield of decay if you really need drain resistance, dragonbane gives acid resistance 10:34 lucky forge or whish 10:34 wish 10:35 and as a sammy you can wish for your armor to have decay as well, yes 10:35 drain resistance is not critical tho 10:35 neither is petrification resistance 10:35 ah i guess i can keep sacrificing for dragonbane before going downward 10:36 i only have 1 enchant weapon now, had a scary encounter with a mmf, no ranged weapon except unenchanted daggers or boulders 10:36 as a lawful samurai you would really like gauntlets of purity, so sacrificing for dragonbane, subduing kathryn, then forging them is a good plan 10:36 boulders are all you need eggandhull, they are amazing 10:38 oh i got encumberance problems so carrying 4-5 only... 10:38 One boulder do 1d20 ranged damage. 10:38 Yes I think you don't need daggers. 10:38 i like 20 boulders for "close encounters" 10:39 And you can use them to place a boulder fort I think. 10:39 nice 10:39 for purity, gotta wish for Grayswandir ? 10:39