00:01 Monsters that cannot be targeted for genocide cannot be reverse genocided either. 00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had a wooden helm of brilliance entrusted to her by Venus, on T:44899 (1 day, 6:25:19) 00:02 Hmm, I did not know that. Thank you. 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had a dwarvish bearded axe entrusted to her by Venus, on T:45733 (1 day, 6:35:11) 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:45985 (1 day, 6:37:31) 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:46300 (1 day, 6:39:52) 00:44 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:05 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 01:05 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 01:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:35 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had a steel large shield entrusted to her by Venus, on T:47123 (1 day, 7:25:29) 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of high boots entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:82922 (16:13:53) 01:41 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:47627 (1 day, 7:32:13) 02:15 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:19 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 02:23 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:35 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:01 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:05 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:32 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:40 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:49 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:54 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:33 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 04:37 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 04:39 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:41 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:53 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 05:01 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:31 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 05:44 -!- arahael_ has joined #evilhack 05:48 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:49 I always get surprised when I can't sac globs of black pudding. 06:00 -!- arahael_ has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 06:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 06:05 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 53440 points, T:11083, killed by a shambling horror 06:06 YASI: If you die to a shambling horror, you should get informed of the stats for that shambling horror. 06:06 Because I had free action, yet, somehow, that shambling horror froze me. 06:06 !lastgame 06:06 arahael: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1693269435.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1692986100.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1692094307.evil.html 06:13 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:16 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 06:21 -!- guest724 has joined #evilhack 06:33 Or maybe just provide the state of any monster who killed you. 06:34 Once my knight in vanilla riding a warhorse and dual-wield Excalibur and maybe -10 AC, was defeated by a sergeant. 06:34 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:34 Typically I think I was already able to clear castle that time, maybe that sergeant has very good armors and weapons :P 06:39 -!- guest724 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:40 -!- guest724 has joined #evilhack 06:40 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:40 -!- guest724 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 06:48 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:53 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 06:58 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:42 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 07:44 wewp 07:48 morning. 07:55 hiya 07:58 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 08:04 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:19 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:19 morning 08:20 o/ 08:22 I've been searching the whole dungeon for a hammer I know exists... 08:22 I had a dream I found it in my bag of holding 08:22 but in reality, no dice 08:22 heh 08:24 have you searched ttyrecs? 08:27 I probably should but I'm loathe to do so 08:27 I'll give the whole dungeon a run again and if I can't find it I'll go to ttyrecs 08:34 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) used a forge to create the Hammer of the Gods, on T:46063 (4:48:09) 08:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:46138 (4:48:41) 08:36 there, you have a hammer now 08:36 :P 08:36 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:37 I had neglected to check sokoban for hammers :) 08:44 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 08:45 this is the one run where I want the hand, and I can already feel vecna giving me the eye 08:46 :) 08:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:56 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had a cloth cloak entrusted to her by Venus, on T:50461 (1 day, 8:07:03) 09:33 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 09:37 krm26 09:37 where are you in relation to that hurricane that's headed to FL? 09:38 we are central; schools might be closed tomorrow because everyone is very risk-averse, but PROBABLY nothing much is gonna happen here. some high winds and rain maybe 09:39 ok 09:40 saying it'll be a cat 3 by the time it makes landfall 09:40 gotta be within 20m of disney animal kingdom :-) wife escaped rideout crew this time 09:40 heh 09:40 so guess what 09:41 you coming to disney? i can fix you up with behind the scenes surgeries 09:41 i made the one ring detect wraith types. was Noisytoot's idea 09:41 i pointed it out to him but he ignored me 09:41 ahh, saw that yesterday -- pretty cool! hunting for wraith snacks 09:41 typical :) 09:43 he was offline I think 09:43 i think the 9 nazgul rings and potentially-up-to-7-dwarf-rings-from-dwarf-royalty should be a new nothing ring that unlike other rings have a chance at a fairly useless unique ring oprop: sense gold, the food discrimination intrinsic, etc 09:44 i was thinking of just having nazgul spawn with a random ring 09:44 and each of those 16 can be forged into the one ring, adding in its oprop 09:44 lol no 09:46 so many neat fidly potential oprops! dont slip on ice, divine tin contents, no damage from acid foods... 09:47 individually all junky 09:47 sounds like a dnethack thing 09:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:47799 (5:08:07) 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a gold shield of reflection entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:48131 (5:09:34) 10:13 huh, blessed +3 gold shield of reflection, identical to the one I got earlier in the run 10:14 weird, usually it would be slightly worse 10:14 yeah lolth is generous today 10:15 I'm just farming until I can get a source of levitation/flying 10:15 I'm stuck above medusa 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:49957 (5:20:07) 10:24 yani remove werebane from the video game 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:27428 (7:46:40) 10:26 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:32 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:37 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:28518 (8:05:49) 10:47 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:47 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:48 Giant in samurai quest - no need to worry being bisected right? 10:50 i would worry 10:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:52779 (5:33:40) 10:51 you won't be bisected 10:51 you need to be medium-sized or smaller 10:51 the 5% bisection chance is replaced with double damage for anything larger 10:51 yeah the double damage is significant 10:53 oh shoot 10:53 got 1 paralysis, lets see how it goes 10:54 tsurugi should have an invoke 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:86189 (17:24:47) 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:86191 (17:24:56) 10:58 looks easy enough 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed her quest without incident, on T:86553 (17:27:27) 11:02 rocking a +7 Snickersnee not twoweaponing, is tsurugi a better weapon? 11:03 probably. why aren't you twoweaponing? 11:03 you know as a giant, you can twoweapon WITH tsurugi 11:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:54006 (5:42:00) 11:04 yeah tsurugi is better but there's no reason to choose since you can use both 11:04 Why I can't see me in Hecubus when I play online? 11:04 i'm rocking a shield of reflection for better AC. if no shield, only -20 AC 11:05 shield of reflection for reflection makes sense -- for ac, screw it, go for offense! 11:05 !who 11:05 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] Loggers [evil] xdminsy [evil] eggandhull [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 11:05 xdminsy what did you do that would get logged 11:05 I don't know :P 11:06 Maybe I'd die soon. 11:06 just play a lot and you will see yourself eventually 11:06 krm26: i do have an "oR 11:06 what are you doing for MR? 11:07 NONE 11:07 no wish, no items 11:07 do you at least have poly control? 11:07 Scary the sewer rat just die in level 1. 11:08 is your local drow convict still alive 11:08 yep poly ctrl ring saved my ass 5 times 11:08 Lol yes, but not that interesting to continue. 11:08 poly into a gray dragon and lay eggs dude 11:08 Maybe later. 11:09 ah, good to hear 11:09 krm26 egg is giant, can't wear that stuff 11:09 but they are poly-proof pets! 11:09 and you are mr while a gray dragon 11:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:88194 (1 day, 23:48:51) 11:10 you mean like keep being a gray dragon until obtaining MR source? 11:12 yeah, or an arch-lich 11:12 I found that if not that unlucky, I can reach exp 3 in dlvl 1. 11:13 sometimes poly control and amulet of unchanging can substitute for mr for a while :-) 11:14 I prefer to just rush down to level 2 when I'm level 2, don't wanna starve waiting for mons 11:14 but it's great if you can get level 3 11:15 Yes, kill some and pray for nutrition, and then I have 900 turns to level up I think. 11:15 I think if I go down directly I need to pray for hp :P 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:88262 (1 day, 23:54:26) 11:16 My second sewer rat pet dies :P 11:16 the sewer rat pets are a pain to keep alive 11:16 I prefer spiders 11:17 Yes and I never have seen my giant rat grow again. 11:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had a cloak of magic resistance entrusted to her by Venus, on T:51675 (1 day, 8:18:35) 11:19 Yes and spiders can spin web, that's useful to escape. 11:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a pair of cloth gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:58726 (5:59:49) 11:22 lolth I can't WAIT to kill you 11:25 Are demon lord lolth and the drow goddess same? Will she appear for drow players? 11:25 -!- eggandhull has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:26 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 11:27 Do you guys rec killing Oracle for his magic 8-ball? i only have telepathy no warning source, had a scary encounter with beholder already 11:27 i like it when i don't have intrinsic or quest artifact warning 11:27 need something for beholders. 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a katana entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:60184 (6:05:58) 11:28 yeah killing the oracle is good if you have no other source of warning 11:28 or if you want a free wish 11:29 just watch out for her passive 11:29 never killed the oracle myself, i always let a disposable pet do it 11:29 one pet dragon and one wand of turn undead do the trick 11:30 could use a gray dragon since mmr still blocks all magic missile damage 11:30 i thought the oracle's shower was unblockable? 11:31 is it? it's just a magic missile attack 11:31 is it not 11:31 @e?oracle 11:31 Oracle (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 0 | Res: sleep poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d6 cast clerical, 2d6 cast spell, 8d8 passive magic missile | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis 11:37 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:61795 (6:13:09) 11:41 heehee first hit instakill 11:43 Good to see you're still chugging along 11:44 Ah, passive magic missile, I see.. 11:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven bracer entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:62159 (6:17:18) 11:45 well, not really chugging at the moment. I'm sort of stuck above medusa 11:45 farming in hopes I get a wand of polymorph or source of levitation/flying/water walking deathdropped 11:46 YANI: In your post-game stats, should be able to see how many monsters you sacrificed 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:52094 (1 day, 8:46:17) 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:52117 (1 day, 8:47:15) 11:48 Passive magic missile? 11:48 the oracle has a magic missile passive 11:48 if you hit her you get hit with magic missiles 11:48 Ah, that I knew but I wasn't sure of the context for xdminsy's comment. 11:49 As a note, she has that passive in vanilla, but it doesn't work against monsters. 11:49 yeah 11:50 does anyone know, how does the oracle move with speed 0? 11:50 does the speed get changed when you attack her or something 11:50 yeah when you attack the oracle all the permonst data gets replaced 11:50 gotcha 11:53 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 11:57 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:02 I found that I killed 2 goblins in goblin town, and then I could starve for a long time and pray :P 12:03 goblins are wonderful for con dro 12:03 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:04 Goblins are decent sources of nutrition, and Convicts can stay hungry for quite a while before they start fainting compared to normal roles. 12:08 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:66324 (6:47:39) 12:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:34 Why my daggers skill is capped at 85%... 12:34 you not using a dagger any more? :-) 12:34 I only throw daggers. 12:35 Seems it reach 85% and stopped, maybe require me to use them in melee to reach 100%. 12:35 nope 12:35 just gotta hit 12:35 I hit a lot and killed a lot. 12:35 It's still unskilled 85%, I can't enhance it to basic.. 12:36 never seen or heard about stalled skill progression 12:36 you put on an amulet of unchanging? 12:37 (although i don't know whether that stops skill growth or not, all i can think of :-) 12:37 Lol unchanging can do that? 12:37 unsure 12:37 Nope, I am Con Dro and avoid melee. 12:39 Oh and it's now 90%. 12:40 probably just underestimating the number of hits you need 12:40 Emmm, so it only shows every 5%? 12:40 Maybe yes, I thought it unchanging.. 12:41 only every 5% to basic 12:41 Are demon lord lolth and the drow goddess same? Will she appear for drow players? 12:41 https://ibb.co/X8YWTmn 12:41 unrelated, demon lord preceded the drow goddess 12:41 I pray between at least 1k turns, well that's hard early game. 12:42 in dnethack the avatar of lolth (demon prince) is always peaceful for followers of lolth and get spellcasting that angers lolth, but evilhack has no such thing 12:42 s/get/gets/ 12:43 I think the mines is really really dangerous for my con dro, maybe just avoid it. 12:43 Hope one altar in first 6 levels. 12:43 It's dark like drow like but full of iron weapon users. 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:66840 (1 day, 2:21:27) 12:45 Ah yes, I remember one game in mines, there's team giant mosquitos that are fast, and gnome kings hard to kill. 12:45 And that time I have a pet giant spider spined a lot webs, and a giant rat, but I still lost a lot hp. 12:48 Wow I fear that untrap arrow trap may poison me and cause instadeath, but I realize I already reach level 5.. 12:49 * K2 slaps botifico around a bit with a large trout 12:53 wow botifico if lagging hard today 12:53 been 10 min 12:53 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/93c4be40facc75015bbccc5d2d84dbae316ad032 12:53 ^ enjoy 12:55 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/35a7f84ecb59...93c4be40facc 12:55 [EvilHack] k21971 93c4be4 - Some changes to beholders. 12:55 there it is 12:55 wut 12:56 WUT 12:56 but where will we get out undetectable stoners now 12:57 i'd like to see beholders and magical eyes have a chance at giving +1 int when eaten...poor, unloved int 12:58 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:58 GRAHHHHH BEHOLDERS VISIBLE ON TELEPATHY \o/ 12:58 lol 12:58 what made you decide to nerf beholders? is there an incoming something-even-worse :-) 12:58 master beholders 12:58 arch-beholders 12:58 beholder shamans 12:58 demibeholders? 12:58 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L36 12:59 ^ maybe 12:59 would love that 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:89816 (18:13:30) 12:59 dunno if i have it in me to make yet another side branch 12:59 finally a brand... 12:59 Ah yes, yesterday I kill Oracle for that warning, warning can help detect beholders. 12:59 dont make a new branch, put the boss beholder in like the new wizard tower midlevel or something 13:00 maybe i could just put a boss beholder 13:00 noooo new beholder branch 13:00 "can't go into or stay underwater if water walking - monks get this intrinsically at experience level 23 (done)" How was this solved? 13:00 Gaze death? 13:00 you can press > on water I think 13:00 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/0d4dce654276638304dbeae49be1c85b30b69470 13:01 need to do this for flying too 13:01 since illithids get intrinsic flight at exp lvl 12 13:01 K2: That page is unreadable for a different reason in each browser that I try. 13:02 I've tried three. 13:02 fine on my end 13:02 are you still using netscape? 13:02 sometimes it tells me that I don't have permission to access it but usually I can use another browser 13:02 K2: Make that four. 13:02 what are the reasons? 13:03 i wonder if enabling 2FA caused some fuckery with public viewing 13:03 It won't work in Seamonkey because that's the one with javascript disabled. Ok, fine. In Chrome it's unreadable because there's no way to get rid of the four different popups that cover the content. Opera complains it can't complete a secure transaction, probably a cert issue. Firefox says SyntaxError: invalid property id 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Oracle, on T:30529 (8:34:06) 13:04 Do I have to use Edge, or what? 13:05 its loading fine in edge and chrome for me 13:05 jonadab: works fine in Firefox for me 13:05 wait, which page? github or the Etherpad one? 13:05 Can I kick the door in goblin town? 13:05 yea 13:05 The etherpad one. 13:05 oh etherpad 13:05 -!- eggandhull has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:05 not if there's a message about a shop outside it xdminsy 13:05 Github has its own issues, but they're well-understood at this point. 13:06 that one also loads OK in Firefox for me 13:06 Lol yes, I know there's a shop, I tried my copper unlocking tool and the tool breaks :( 13:06 OSX Firefox 13:06 (And I can just clone the repo and read the file in a text editor if push comes to shove, when it comes to github.) 13:06 yeah etherpad is loading fine too on all 4 browsers i've tried 13:06 It loads in GNU IceCat on GNU Guix GNU/GNU Linux-libre for me. 13:07 (If I whitelist it in LibreJS) 13:07 Or maybe it's just loading very slowly due to your network? 13:07 Wow there's a war hammer. 13:07 @e?angel 13:07 Angel (A) | Lvl: 14 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 55 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -4 | Atk: 1d6 weapon physical, 1d6 weapon physical, 1d4 claw physical, 2d6 cast magic missile | Align: 12 | flies, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 13:07 lucky 13:07 K2: Chrome, in particular, doesn't give me a way to close the Skin Builder, the Read-Only-Guest dialog, a font-type selection thing, and a color selector. 13:07 Maybe because I don't have an account? 13:07 nope 13:07 and its not a cert issue either 13:08 problem is on your end i'm afraid 13:08 The cert issue is Opera; it probably doesn't have a root cert that it should have. 13:08 https://ibb.co/r2QbFRT 13:08 Loggers you know, I spend one hour in level 1, and another one in level 2 and goblin town. 13:08 I think I could kill goblin king with my daggers. 13:08 Opera is proprietary 13:09 jonadab this is what I linked to on etherpad 13:09 holy shit minsy that's another level of slow play 13:09 Remove beholders mindless flag, set them up proper so they are invisible to telepathy (OR make them telepathic like mind flayers and can use psionics). Make them intelligent like they are in ad&d, maybe use some spells. Let them talk to/taunt the player ← will break saves 13:09 make a side branch out of it, big bad boss beholder that you have to defeat to be able to genocide beholders hahahah 13:09 I could not be that patient 13:09 Lol, I spend 4k turns in level, pray for nutrition and wait maybe 1k turns to pray for hp. 13:09 Aha. 13:09 level 1. 13:10 xdminsy: If I wanted to do that, I'd play Angband. 13:10 i dunno if i wanna do a whole beholder side branch 13:10 jonadab hahahahaha 13:10 but it would be neat to kill off a boss beholder to unlock genociding them 13:10 I haven't play angband once. 13:10 K2: I'd say not _just_ beholders but they could be one significant feature of a side branch that also has other things going on. 13:10 well yeah 13:11 Is that means it's tedious or need very patience or care. 13:11 Lol. 13:11 angband just has a lot of scumming you do 13:11 since the levels are non persistent 13:11 i'll just make a single level with one 3x3 room, stick boss beholder in it 13:11 kill it, done 13:11 beholder could be one of the new wizard tower levels 13:11 I see beholder difficulty is 16 maybe. 13:11 if it's not going to be a branch I like krm26's idea 13:11 I'm not sure, they are scary. 13:11 or beholder could be a tower in the castle 13:11 depending on its difficulty 13:12 castle doesn't have a "boss" 13:12 castle doesn't need a boss I think it's fine as is 13:12 oh hey 13:12 Lol cuz if I can't find foods on the floor, so my nutrition and hp, all rely on prayers, so need a lot turns. 13:12 stick it in soko or something idk 13:12 yeah you need to rely on lolth early game 13:12 K2: Obviously that branch also needs disintegrators, invisible hasted nymphs, and lava in a checkerboard pattern. 13:12 unnethack has a dungeon underneath the castle i think. could do it up like that 13:12 isn't castle boss a minotaur :P 13:12 oh k2 that's a fun idea 13:12 (I jest.) 13:13 Hmm, a dungeon underneath the castle makes sense, and then make Gehennom properly a branch, that you have to find a branch entrance to get into? 13:13 Is that boss harmless while just blind :P 13:13 xdminsy no i wouldnt make it like that :) 13:13 yeah how would he mess with you 13:14 give him like 8 wands, one in each tentacle 13:14 heh 13:14 That's why there are nymphs to steal your blindfold :-) 13:14 What dungeon under the castle, you mean Sheol? 13:14 give em the good old dnd antimagic beam from central eye 13:14 also make him non covetous for a change 13:14 can't cast when he can see you 13:14 I'd think that was what cancellation gaze was for? 13:15 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:15 Lol, and, can destroy armor destroy worn blindfold or towel? 13:15 nothing in the game has that ability right now 13:15 hmm no unnethack doesnt have a dungeon under the castle 13:15 I swore beholders had that 13:15 Probably misremembering 13:15 I was thinking of implementing something that can cast a spell of silence, which prevents you from casting on the level for some amount of time. 13:15 i know a variant does 13:16 gaze could also supress all extrinsics :-) 13:16 It would also prevent you from hearing sounds of all sorts on the level. 13:16 i guess then we'd use stinking cloud 13:16 Would be good for stinking cloud to have more meaningful uses. 13:17 Loggers, how to use hammer to remove that iron ball? 13:17 emmm dip? 13:18 Oh I see, just dip again and again.. 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5941 (2:26:10) 13:22 Hit with heavy iron ball doesn't break weaponless seems :P 13:27 it's not a weapon or weapon-tool 13:28 do non-tame baby dragons ever grow up? 13:28 Maybe yes? 13:28 I think they need to kill some monsters. 13:29 krm26: Only if they kill enough monsters or maybe drink gain level (but I don't think EvilHack dragons can drink potions) 13:29 they cant 13:29 no hands 13:29 splicehack gave some (all?) dragons hands, they'll drink potions and use wands, etc 13:29 dnethack dragons can drink potions too 13:30 they have hands but can't wear gloves 13:30 Lol, just swallow the potion with bottle :P 13:33 if it is good enough for me and jabba 13:45 k2, do illithid player corpses give int gain? 13:45 hmm 13:45 i think so 13:46 if not they should 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 93610 points, T:32167, killed by a displacer beast 13:47 i keep eating em and was started to wonder if it was more than my bad rng keeping me from ever getting int 13:47 Should be same as mind flayer corpses, either telepathy or +1 INT 13:49 hmm just now noticing that /? doesnt list strength gain under corpse conveys info for the various giants 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a leather armor entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:68830 (1 day, 3:28:19) 13:55 omigod just f you moloch 13:58 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Dem Fem Una) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:69926 (1 day, 4:02:33) 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:11622 (3:42:13) 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] xdminsy (Con Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:11739 (3:44:00) 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 359 points, T:876, killed by a gnome lord 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of iron tekko entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:90823 (18:26:13) 14:49 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 14:53 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:56 illithid corpses don't give int gain 14:56 so illithid race mplayers don't either 14:57 you'd need to add PM_ILLITHID (and PM_ALHOON, if they can leave corpses?) to cpostfx switch/case 14:58 https://termbin.com/xhct like this 14:58 They crumble into dust similar to liches, is my guess. 14:58 evilhack does already grant intrinsics and stuff based on the race of the monster, so it's just that illithids don't give int gain at all that prevents illithid mplayers from doing it 15:10 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 15712 points, T:8998, killed by an ettin mummy 15:14 soooo hard to get int 15:16 so i made a dungeon under the castle 15:16 :P 15:17 Neat. Beholder boss inside I'm sure - what else? 15:20 no clue 15:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 58 points, T:279, killed by a fox 15:27 sewage! 15:27 lots of sewage 15:27 the bodies of past winners of The Running Man 15:29 k2 can make a whole lot of "blind X" versions of normal monsters who have put out their eyes and now serve the beholder 15:29 K2: you mean, like a cellar to the castle? slashem has that IIRC 15:29 yeah 15:30 because there's already chainbranch stairs going down to the valley, i made a portal to it 15:30 you can just make people dig! 15:31 If EvilHack had templates, you could have a blind template 15:31 why did you add stairs to the castle? 15:31 extra way to get down 15:31 unnethack has it too (or did) 15:34 K2 since you changed wizgenesis to require explicit inclusion of the word "race" to produce a racial monster I want to change it so it'll be possible to use any monster type for race >:) 15:34