00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Dro Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3321 (0:29:25) 00:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:04 ok do you have to like train elbereth now LOL 00:04 like 20 consecutive fails 00:05 literally 3 mimics in a row in this shop, last one giant, my man cannot spell elbereth one time 00:06 ohhhhhhhhhhh you have to learn it now dont you! ok i did forget that 00:07 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3020 points, T:3335, killed by a giant mimic 00:07 nailed it 00:11 night all :) 00:11 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:40 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:01 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 03:14 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:38 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:16 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 05:20 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:29 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:18 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:37 ssnufd: yes, easiest way to pick up elbereth is in sokoban closet 07:38 -!- krm26 has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by krm26_))] 07:38 -!- krm26_ is now known as krm26 07:39 -!- krm26_goddamit_g has joined #evilhack 07:45 Well, the chaotic crowning unlock broadsword instead of long sword. 07:45 Cry. 07:45 yup 07:46 arguments have been made for collapsing some of the bladed weapon skills together but have so far fallen on deaf ears 07:48 Oh I found that the Stormbringer is light, so I can use it as offhand weapon. 07:49 Sad, I think I should wield a weapon and unlock it. 07:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) made her first wish - "cursed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of telepathy", on T:695 (0:10:01) 07:55 k2: really really minor thing but i think maybe you should slightly randomize arrow trap placement in goblin town, plenty of alternate spaces in the same narrow corridors 07:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1317 (0:17:07) 08:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 08:03 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 08:04 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:10 Well my drow, cannot get grimtooth by sacrifice rigth? 08:11 yes. 08:11 want to forge shadowblade? 08:12 Yes, I shadowblade is good. 08:12 I have little weapon choices now I think.. 08:13 Luck blade or Secespita.. 08:13 wish for it 08:14 Will polymorphing into someone of orc race work? 08:14 The gift should not have your current form. 08:14 hate* 08:14 s/have/hate/ 08:15 I'm not sure, maybe won't work? 08:17 you should be able to get grimtooth when polymorphed into non-drow/elf; wishing will also work 08:17 Okay. 08:17 But I doubt if shadowblade is better than stromy.. 08:18 athame +d10 damage, well seems no greater than stormy.. 08:19 It is better than stormbringer, does a lot more drain. 08:20 Well that's great. 08:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping 5 bone crude daggers on an altar, on T:3704 (0:48:02) 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 8272 points, T:5811, killed by Ms. Kabalebo; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 09:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 bone gauntlets of power", on T:5255 (1:23:52) 09:03 dammit! CURSED 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 4724 points, T:5817, killed by a soldier ant 09:13 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 09:13 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 09:23 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:58 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:25 lack of bloodthirstiness makes it better too 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a leather helm of speed, on T:15400 (6:07:59) 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 824 points, T:1886, killed by a giant bat 11:07 I killed 6 gray dragons and not one of them dropped scales :( 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Venus, on T:18120 (6:43:47) 11:17 sounds like you are using my rng k3ut0i! 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 338 points, T:1034, killed by a steel crossbow bolt 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) became literate by reading a book, on T:8329 (2:04:21) 11:52 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 11:58 "You kill the lichen! You feel foolish!" lol 12:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:1653 (0:07:14) 12:04 First time I killed goblin king and ate him, I had a message 'you feel wise'. I thought the corpse gives wizdom and still keep eating him every time. 12:05 heh 12:05 first time i killed cerberus i ate him and got teleport control. and that is so far the only time i've gotten it :-) 12:15 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:10028 (2:56:56) 13:02 do not like dl6 hezrou no no 13:03 sneaksy shapechangers 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:11763 (3:34:29) 13:31 where is my infidel's clerical "curse" spell 13:32 or "remove blessing"! 13:36 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1317 (0:10:46) 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3073 (0:24:20) 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Scorpius, on T:24427 (8:45:29) 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24432 (8:45:55) 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4240 (0:39:41) 14:09 dammit -- sokoban zoo, a monster just rubbed a blessed magic lamp and wished for a figurine of a vorpal jabberwock so now i have a vorpal jabberwock to deal with 14:10 good thing i'm 10th level swinging a +2 dagger 14:15 In one game a gnome found the wand of wishing and wished for 2 death wands before I started killing it. Then it wished for a potion of full healing, killed it before it zapping death at me. I'm lucky it didn't go for vorpal jabberwock :). Isn't there are priority to wishing things? Vorpal jabberwock is very specific. 14:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:21 as it happens this is a sokoban level with viewing bars into the final room, so i can spend 1000 turns slowly using drain life on the vorpal jabberwock :-| 14:21 yeah there is a random table for wishing, they don 14:21 don't always wish for the same stuff 14:22 vive la différence 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:24999 (9:12:06) 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:17843 (4:45:20) 14:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:3155 (0:14:35) 14:27 OH MY GLOB 14:27 oh my glob 14:30 i can finally improve my damage to 1d3+1 14:31 I thought secespita did more damage than a regular knife 14:31 regular knife does 1d3 14:35 yeah the thing is a piece of utter crap which should improve sacrifices for being in inventory without requiring wielding 14:37 wiki says it has 1d6 damage bonus? 14:39 Wow, Longbow of Diana can give arrow of different object materials. 14:39 yep 14:41 i don't think secespita has any damage bonus 14:42 wiki disagrees 14:42 evilhack code disagrees with wiki, which is based on tomsod's original work, not evilhack 14:42 that would be true but I'm on the evilhack page 14:42 also this commit https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9818ef0e11a5d0ea43bb47da60e54ef2c6315973 14:42 unless there is a direct hack somewhere 14:43 DREN is just the energy drain thing 14:43 so he increased energy drain on kill 14:44 k2 why must you say you are increasing to/hit and damage output when in reality you are doing nothing of the sort 14:44 that commit just says "tweaks" 14:45 commit notes: "Increase to-hit/damage output from 1d5/1d6 to 1d8/1d8 14:45 *" 14:45 hmm, maybe the "energy drain only on kill" is also used to increase damage? guess i should look 14:46 Also it gives poison resistance? 14:46 yeah that's okay too I guess 14:46 I didn't know that. 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4554 (0:27:32) 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Venus, on T:25944 (9:33:35) 14:49 ugh, stupid squishy drow- level 7 and only 48 HP 14:50 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:25964 (9:35:02) 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6158 (0:34:37) 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:6277 (0:35:57) 14:58 oh, fuck meee 14:59 minetown is coaligned but the priest is orcish and I'm wielding orcrist >:( 14:59 @e?aligned priest 14:59 aligned priest (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 12 | Res: shock | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: 10 | Atk: 4d10 weapon physical, 1d4 kick physical, 0d0 cast clerical | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis 15:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 12132 points, T:7959, killed by a giant watch captain, while moving through the air 15:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:09 doh 15:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) had a staff of divination entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:20744 (5:32:15) 15:15 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 2236 points, T:2938, killed by a giant ant 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:17741 (3:33:25) 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) became Venus' Envoy of Balance, on T:26450 (10:09:15) 15:29 damn. wasn't planning on that. 15:35 ugh 3000 turns later i've only managed to drain the vorpal jabberwock down to level 15 15:37 @e?vorpal jabberwock 15:37 vorpal jabberwock (J) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 bite physical, 3d10 claw behead, 3d10 claw behead | Align: 0 | carnivore, flies, infravis 15:37 MR 50 15:37 @e?jabberwock 15:37 jabberwock (J) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 2d10 bite physical, 2d10 bite physical, 2d10 claw physical, 2d10 claw physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, infravis 15:37 guess i'm gonna try to pull off something with daggers and a wand of sleep 15:38 Get the loot and run. 15:41 he is in front of the loot dude -- but now, he is dead 15:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:22706 (6:00:25) 15:42 of course it is gold, because f you game 16:04 does infidel curseproofness extend to mount saddles? 16:05 I wouldn't know, sadly. 16:05 Have a wand of opening/power for a knock spell ready in case you feel scientific. 16:06 (Or remove curse, that should affect the saddle as well.0 16:06 )* 16:06 infidels never want to use remove curse 16:07 First time for everything, lab jockey. 16:12 never? is cursed actually better than uncursed for infidels? 16:13 AD_DREN does not do physical damage, at least vs players 16:16 Not always, but cursed is usually better than uncursed for infidels. 16:16 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:27493 (10:57:14) 16:16 e.g. if you wanna go daggerstorming, though idk if that thing with the aklys is gonna be fixed (I think it might), or whether it'll extend to other cursed projectiles. 16:27 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1543 (0:13:18) 16:28 which reminds me, infidels need a way to cast the "basic" version of remove curse when they are skilled in clerical spells 16:32 [backscroll] krm26 good idea (traps in goblin town) 16:33 i just spent 4+ hours at the mall with my kid and one of her friends 16:33 oh 16:33 my 16:33 god 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:28240 (11:14:21) 16:33 i kid, it wasnt that bad 16:33 but i now remember why i dont like going to the mall 16:34 heh, i feel ya; mine has a friend over right now and they've discovered peeling face masks off each other 16:34 while screaming of course, everything is while screaming 16:34 of course 16:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJAsgIIfNM 16:35 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:28241 (11:15:37) 16:37 krm26 lol 16:37 I got two wishes in a row from smoky potions :) 16:37 lucky day 16:37 go play in the lotto or something 16:37 lucky! my smoky this game is invis :-( 16:38 mine is healing 16:40 Oh yeah, doesn't the cursed invis wand's ability to remove invisibility exist now? Or... 16:42 yes 16:44 smoky invis is a bummer because its primary and important use is as a cursed potion 16:45 ...can't the cursed wand also do that now 16:46 50% chance 16:46 if you search the commit history/look at the changelog, its all there 16:46 Neat 16:46 Been a while, so 16:47 i cant believe i dont know this, but if you take an uncontrolled level teleporter with an adjacent pet, do you both end up on the same level? 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Ran Cen Fem Neu) had an axe entrusted to her by Venus, on T:28347 (11:28:22) 16:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:27148 (7:06:20) 16:54 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:3763 (0:40:30) 16:54 oh this is classic - https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/10/05/141009438/whats-a-smoot 16:54 i had never heard of that before 16:54 so until spell skill revamp it is disadvantageous for infidels to progress clerical spells past basic 16:55 wow, thx k2, i very rarely get to learn new words! 16:58 SMOOT 16:59 aum is the measure of weight in nethack, the unit of distance should be 'smoot' 16:59 heh 17:00 Also yes, adjacent pets follow you with uncontrolled level teleport. 17:00 i was about to brag about the size of my vocabulary but then i didn't know what it was so i took a quick test and it gave me a weirdly precise estimate of 43,932 -- now 43,933 thanks to smoot! 17:01 https://preply.com/en/learn/english/test-your-vocab 17:01 hilariously bugbear was on the word test list 17:02 and it taught me ANOTHER word, williwaw 17:08 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of high boots entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4771 (0:54:27) 17:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:5066 (0:47:36) 17:12 man infidels are hangry all the time 17:13 wonder if the infidel quest will smoke me when i dont have mr and can't cast any better attack spell than drain life 17:13 all i have is a pet yellow dragon 17:14 which i think will avail me nothing due to level difference 17:17 oh that reminds me, i have a commit to push 17:17 well almost 17:17 bit more work 17:17 redoing some dragon scale secondary props 17:20 ooooooooooooo 17:20 ooooooo 17:21 sea dragon secondary: when worn you get to SEE all dragons 17:21 lol no 17:21 blue dragon secondary: when worn every 10 turns you lose a turn to uncontrollable weeping 17:22 orange dragon secondary: every 40-50 turns you lay an orange 17:22 celestial dragon secondary: any player monsters who hit you are renamed to Celeste 17:23 we're totally on the same page k2! 17:23 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of leather yugake entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:6732 (1:16:44) 17:30 so mobileuser, as an infidel am i cutting my own threat trying to kill the quest leader with one blessed scroll of earth, about 30 +0 daggers of various sort, and a yellow dragon pet? 17:31 threat/throat what is wrong with me 17:31 I only kill the quest leader just before the asc run 17:31 when I can easily kill bill 17:32 or do you mean the nemesis 17:32 sorry i mean the nemesis, paladink 17:32 i've finished mines, sokoban, and am at dl10 with no access to magic resistance 17:32 and no combat spells except force bolt and drain 17:32 ah. no daggers, advanced fire bolt spell 17:32 if i had fireball i'd only be able to cast it like twice anyway 17:33 so you're not ready yet 17:34 i don't see that i'll ever be able to cast a level 4 spell more than twice without running out of mana unless something changes, maybe with the quest artifact 17:34 and in practice I use confused charging and/or gain energy to keep casting 17:34 "primary spellcaster" my ass, i'm just a dagger chucker 17:35 yeah, in the first phase of the game you are 17:35 i actually have a fireball spellbook but can't read it, no holy water, no blessed confusion 17:35 wish i had mr 17:36 i mean, i literally had a wish and i didn't wish for mr, but you know what i mean 17:36 it gets better when you get crowned and the selfpoly to demon 17:36 yes, getting holy water is a major challenge 17:36 demon form cant wear tshirt or armor or cloak right? 17:36 not sure im gonna crown 17:36 demon form can wear everything 17:37 oh really? OH REALLY 17:37 human size 17:37 check mu asc dumplogs 17:37 * my 17:37 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:37 only takes an extra 50k turns to get crowned i assume 17:37 took me forever and a day to get the dumb knife 17:37 lol 17:37 i'm bumping up at 30k turns having never gone past sokoban 17:38 game will get better quickly if you can get holy water 17:39 am i crazy or are infidels extra-hungry? i actually might run out of food 17:39 human? no. but that happens with slow games... 17:42 btw great that you already found fireball, means you can unlock another weapon skill when crowned 17:43 do you have to be holding the spellbook, or just know the spell? 17:43 grrr i wish i had a stethoscope -- my pet yellow dragon just swallowed me because he was confused with hunger. note: dropping a tripe ration while engulfed by your pet dragon does NOT makes things better 17:44 cant wait for #chat to work on dragons 17:44 Yeah once you're engulfed you need to dig your way out or otherwise force it to spit you up 17:44 Won't do so on its own that I'm aware of 17:45 krm26: demon form can wear anything but some body armour will block flight 17:46 ah so no crystal plate mail 17:46 crystal plate mail is allowed 17:46 surprisingly 17:47 well then 17:47 and you just need to have the spellbook in open inventory and wield the weapon you want to unlock 17:49 ok, cool, in inventory 17:52 "Flupp! Muddy waste pops up from the drain. You see a ring shining in its midst." a wooden ring 17:53 beditime for me, good luck! 17:53 clearly bedtime... 17:54 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:54 Later. 17:54 shiny wooden rings 18:01 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 18:05 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:08 ok... successfully made it past sokoban. What level should I die and leave bones on? 18:09 krm26: are you learning all the ins and outs of infidel? 18:09 the outs anyway 18:10 i just lost my secret sauce (yellow dragon pet) to another poly trap so i'm in the weeds again 18:10 you'll have to school me on it. If I ever manage to ascend a drow ranger infidel is my next attempt. 18:10 i will say my early wish for a t-shirt of esp has really paid huge dividens in survivability 18:10 my second early wish for bone gauntlets of power was nice but in retrospect, since i am stuck with no mr, was an error 18:10 I'm having trouble with understanding where to curse items and where to bless them. 18:11 blew the sokoban lottery 18:11 ah, I found your bone gop in the mines. 18:11 yay! glad they went to good use 18:11 those were a random drop 18:11 very handy for my elven self 18:12 lol krm26 18:12 lay an orange 18:12 you can really tell i was designing computer games back in the 80s cant you :-) 18:13 so bouquet, i'm prefering cursed armor and melee weapons, uncursed or blessed thrown weapons, and don't are about anything else 18:13 i still dont have access to holy water of course 18:17 Uncursed armor/weapons could be useful in baiting curse items spells, possibly. 18:17 Dunno how much water that holds in practice, though. 18:23 woo woo! magic missile! 18:23 quite an accomplishment since i lose half of all level 2 spellbooks 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible karibou's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:7711 (1:25:17) 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:11229 (2:33:32) 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 4408 points, T:2520, killed by a spotted jelly 19:13 this commit is becoming bigger than i expected :) 19:14 i am not done 19:19 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 1541 points, T:1200, killed by a long worm 19:19 new commit regarding some revised secondary dragon scale properties tonight at some point 19:20 Oh interesting, I thought the "satisfied belch" thing for digestion deaths was a vanilla-ism. 19:20 dinner + movie time with kiddo, bbl 19:20 Seems to be an original touch. Nice. 19:20 K2: Enjoy - curious to hear what that entails later. 19:43 krm26: Regarding pet digestion, Evil should include this from vanilla already: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/e6bf8af74e11c452c57c7caf580bc9ab6d8a1ab0 19:43 Though, that only covers conflict, not confusion 19:43 @?mumak 19:43 mumak (q) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 4d12 butt physical, 2d6 bite physical | Align: -2 | genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravis 19:43 Should be a useful starting point for any future commits, though. 19:43 @e?mumak 19:43 mumak (q) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 4d12 butt physical, 2d6 bite physical, 1d6 hug physical | Align: -2 | genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravis 19:43 Oh mumakil are ASSholes in Evil. 19:44 I can personally tell you that much. 19:45 Wow, luckly lvl increased. So they aren't generated too soon. 19:48 Mostly the same tactics as vanilla work here 20:07 K2: are you planning to keep the dragon scale intrinsics the same or change them to match up with 3.7 version? 20:27 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 20:33 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:43 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4315 (1:56:30) 21:08 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 21:09 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 21:09 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:13306 (2:40:11) 21:13 don't hate too much on secespita, its 1d8 damage bonus applies to all nonliving enemies 21:15 where is that specified terrapin? i thought DREN was just energy regenerated on kill 21:17 spec_dbon says that the relevant bonus for an artifact is added to the damage as long as the enemy is susceptible 21:18 in fact the 1d8 has no impact on energy drain, which is entirely dependent on the killed monster's level 21:20 accuracy/damage bonuses are always actual bonuses to accuracy or damage, even with the stranger damage types like DREN or DISE 21:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:31943 (8:51:58) 21:36 -!- eggandhull has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:53 k3ut0i: wont match up with vanilla nethack but i am making some changes 21:54 some of the secondary intrinsics/abilities that devteam added to dragon scales in vanilla nethack, I dont agree with 21:54 evilhack does it better imo 21:54 is there a link to the vanilla changes? 21:55 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dragon_scale_mail#Effects 21:55 Which ones don't you agree with? 21:56 only free action, slow digestion aren't in evilhack. 21:56 oooh infravision 21:56 the way they did black/white/gold scales 21:57 i'm adding free action to orange dragon scales 21:57 passive acid damage attack to yellow dragon scales 21:57 that makes orange powerful, i think stun resistance would also be a viable alternative for that or something 21:57 shimmering scale will drop stealth but add stun res, shimmering dragon breath attack will be stun instead of magic missile 21:57 orange dragon is gonna become popular. 21:58 shimmering change == excellent 21:58 A dazzling breath attack, then? 21:58 the shimmering dragon change is why this commit has taken so long he 21:58 heh 21:58 Also I think Hack'EM elected to do the same itself? 21:58 it added an eleventh zap type attack, had to redo the math in a few places 21:59 gold should add ghost scare resist 21:59 or, additional sunsword effect 21:59 hack'em took shimmering dragon secondary intrinsics/passive attack way over the top imo 22:00 fiqhack was the first to have shimmering dragon stun attack i think 22:00 The constant stunning I imagine, yeah. 22:00 brb 22:01 Hmm, would it make sense for gold scales to give see invis possibly? 22:01 That'd also stop ghost scaring, but is probably a fair bit overtuned beyond that. 22:01 not see invis! see gold! 22:01 $$$$ 22:02 Far as black DSM goes, drain resistance being uncommon was an existing problem and that stop neutrals having to wish up an artifact (and one that'd blast them at that) 22:02 stops* 22:03 high ac is a pretty good way to resist drain too 22:06 I presume you meant MC as well? 22:10 nah, i mean, vampires aren't draining you 100% of the time they aren't hitting you 22:14 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 22:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:36250 (9:57:19) 22:36 Yesterday I nearly die in mines.. 22:36 Why the hell is there an alhoon.. 22:37 I think oilskin helmet is really crucial then. 22:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 22:40 Hi loggers.. 22:40 hola o/ 22:40 So will a chameleon imitate an alhoon, or can polytrap produces an alhoon. 22:40 either is possible 22:41 That's scary.. 22:41 k2 what issue do you have with gold scales in vanilla? Just that hallucination resistance sucks? 22:41 alhoons don't naturally spawn in the mines as random 'h's but any other way they can show up is allowed 22:43 Yes, but fortunately they respect Elbereth.. 22:45 Yeah, you were either shapeshifter'd or polytrap'd. 22:45 Or worse, bones. 22:46 don't think anyone's died to a mines alhoon recently 22:46 actually, now that I thinkt about it minsy doesn't play on hdf so wouldn't be bones 22:46 Ha I always disable bones and play locally. 22:46 I think that might be polytrap. 22:46 Lol yes. 22:46 you can check with stethoscope to see if it's shapechanger or poly'd 22:47 I didn't know that, okay I'd try later. 22:47 I think I should grab a oilskin helmet to prevent something lol. 22:48 Remember, only one free check per turn. 22:48 (Just in case it comes up.) 22:48 This I know. 22:49 is there anything else that takes "half" a turn like that? 22:50 Maybe :? Or maybe : cost no turn. 22:50 Well, do armor of retribution provides MC3? 22:51 I think so, since it's crystal plate 22:53 nothing else uses the same "half-movement" slot as stethoscopes in vanilla/evilhack, though I vaguely recall reading a wiki entry about some variant adding some other options 22:53 Oh that's great, in Evilhack page write it only provide MC3.. 22:53 MC1. 22:53 But I see MC3 in my status line. 22:54 crystal plate is MC2; I don't know if armor or retribution is different, or maybe you have extrinsic protection from the bag of the hesperides or something 22:54 Oh I see, maybe it's +1 MC to crystal plate mail. 22:56 holy, looking at the wiki page for AoR... that thing's OP as hell 22:56 Loggers_VIII yeah (your question) 22:56 thought as much 22:57 I dislike that one also 22:57 got rid of chain and found an altar on dlvl1, it's over 22:58 this is an environment in which I thrive. it's time to cook 22:58 Yes, and the later game is much simpler just like a tourist.. 22:59 yep, past the early game drow convict is actually a very powerful combo 22:59 Well but still very weak, I remember I'd still be very careful. 22:59 dual wield sword of annihilation and stormbringer and you're balling 22:59 Sadly, my sword of annihilation is used to forge SoR.. 22:59 AoR. 23:00 what are you using for weapon? 23:00 Well and, I forget to unlock long sword when crowning, I thought all alignemnts unlock long sword, but yesterday I realize that chaotic one unlock broadsword.. 23:00 I'm now using stormy. 23:01 Not sure which offhand weapon should I use, maybe secespita or luck blade.. 23:01 you could forge stormy into shadowblade maybe 23:02 not really any good options for offhand since you got rid of the brands and SoA by forging AoR 23:02 i'll commit tomorrow, too sleepy 23:02 gnite all 23:02 'night o/ 23:02