00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 2507 points, T:2554, killed by a baby owlbear 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1819 (0:12:07) 00:24 K2, can barding have oprops from the armor used to forge it? 00:30 -!- alivernine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:36 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an arrow on an altar, on T:4187 (0:32:56) 00:54 -!- Loggers_XI has joined #evilhack 00:54 !who 00:54 Loggers_XI: [hdf-us] bouquet [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 00:55 -!- Loggers_XI has quit [Client Quit] 01:21 How good is Dirge? 01:22 I don't see if it is better than Grayswandir or Excalibur.. 01:26 Oh, some knight can start as chaotic, okay, I thought I have to convert first.. 01:39 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 01:42 Yeah no there's chaotic Knights 01:43 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:46 dirge is amazing 01:47 provides acid resist and does acid dmg which affects almost everything 02:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:41 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 02:44 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:45 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:51 -!- hothraxxa has joined #evilhack 02:55 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:11810 (2:27:42) 03:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:12102 (2:32:40) 03:04 -!- xdminsy32 has joined #evilhack 03:05 -!- xdminsy32 has quit [Client Quit] 03:22 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to him by Kos, on T:12468 (2:54:10) 03:22 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 03:27 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:28 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a spear entrusted to him by Kos, on T:12810 (3:00:36) 03:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Kos, on T:13084 (3:03:56) 04:19 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of kicking boots entrusted to him by Kos, on T:15896 (3:51:17) 04:47 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:20747 (4:19:48) 05:03 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a steel spear entrusted to him by Kos, on T:21790 (4:35:36) 05:17 -!- xdminsy has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a long sword entrusted to him by Kos, on T:23943 (5:25:41) 05:53 -!- bgt32 has joined #evilhack 05:53 -!- bgt32 is now known as k3ut0i 06:24 K2:i know thats caused due to orcish items having a chance being made out of stone but a crude bow made from stone? 06:24 stone cant bend 06:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 405 points, T:1159, killed by a gas spore's explosion 06:26 NetSysFire -- https://mineralseducationcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/bend_a_rocks_0.pdf 06:27 dont underestimate advanced orc material sciences! 06:33 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:14 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:29448 (8:36:27) 07:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:4270 (1:07:04) 07:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8876 points, T:5437, killed by a warg 07:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:47 -!- jonadab has joined #evilhack 07:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 357 points, T:466, killed by a giant bat 07:49 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:983 (0:04:08) 07:53 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 07:59 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:30639 (9:20:55) 08:00 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 08:06 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:51 NetSysFire stone bows work because they are greased 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 661 points, T:1045, killed by a giant bat 08:57 work begins on the final wizard tower level 08:57 Will runed/crude long swords work for excalibur crowning? 08:57 no 08:57 Just for dirge ha. 08:57 oh crowning 08:58 yeah pretty sure it has to be a regular long sword for excalibur crowning 08:58 lemme dbl check 08:58 yeah I saw ->otyp == LONG_SWORD. dirge has others too 08:59 yup has to be regular long sword 08:59 but was unsure 08:59 crowning/dipping 08:59 dirge can be any long sword 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:32758 (10:32:32) 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 414 points, T:1009, killed by a purple worm 09:12 mmmmm 09:12 the shrieker shrieks 09:12 wat... 09:12 shriekers can summon purple worms 09:12 damn I knew it can happen but never saw it once. 09:13 Can we wait near one with a scroll of taming? 09:21 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 702 points, T:850, killed by the Goblin King 09:24 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:28618 (6:08:43) 09:29 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) had a wooden spear entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:33316 (10:50:47) 09:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3034 (0:42:57) 09:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4056 points, T:3053, diseased by an orc zombie, while praying 10:00 K2: as the local grease expert i dont find any grease on the stone bows though. literally unplayable. 10:03 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2587/source 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1537 points, T:2133, killed by the Goblin King 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 69 points, T:196, killed by a fox 10:15 krm26 try Inf centaur maybe? 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:200 (0:02:10) 10:17 the low int/wis is a handicap later on though 10:17 just grease it 10:19 early oppo helm is pretty nice 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 780 points, T:1193, killed by a magic missile 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 355 points, T:1237, killed by a boulder 10:44 https://0x0.st/He0y.jpeg this is hans 10:44 yes thats a picture i took in the animal shelter. i volunteer there and just as i was leaving i saw him laying there like this 10:45 fluffy meatloaf 10:45 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:35254 (12:04:46) 10:45 he is not for eating 10:47 naked meatloaf: https://imgur.com/a/j9qqkKN 10:47 that yours? 10:47 yeah that is Clio 10:48 4 yr old sphynx 10:48 where did you get her? 10:48 https://0x0.st/Hs9k.jpeg this is gollum. gollum came in as a lost cat and no one claimed him, so he was put up for adoption 10:49 sadly, a breeder. we had a rescue sphynx that i flew to new orleans to get; she had feline leukemia, died in about a year. right after her death we went on a quick kayak trip to daytona beach and literally bumped into a breeder trying to unload a nonconforming kitten. we normally only do shelter pets, buutttttt.... 10:51 wow 10:51 (lot of cat allergies in our house and the sphynx, devon, cornish rexes don't trigger them much -- but those breeds do not show up as rescues very often) 10:51 i also met seagull, a generic standard issue cat which i sort of fell in love with https://0x0.st/H9BT.jpg 10:52 but i cant adopt any pets anyways, also a reason i volunteer in the shelter to give the kitties all the attention they want 10:52 my wife doesnt let me go to animal shelters myself because she is afraid i'll stuff my car with animals 10:52 lol 10:53 seagull was also a lost cat 10:53 but she is the reason we have had all the hit-by-car tortoises, ducks, raccoons, snapping turtles, etc 10:53 lol² 10:53 seagull is super-photogenic 10:53 just dont let her keep those suspicious grounded bats 10:54 she will rehab literally anything 10:54 grounded bats = rabies 10:54 likely 10:54 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:54 (she's a boarded exotics vet :-) 10:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55 seagull was shy but apparently we were compatible and just a sniff of my hand and a chin scratch was sufficient to make him come out and meow for more pets 10:55 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:55 then he laid in my lap, while a couple outside looked into the cat room. he was adopted a day later 10:56 also the most beautiful and photogenic cat i ever saw there is abby https://0x0.st/oz4h.jpg - her eye is fine she is just winking in that specific picture, making it even more beautiful imo 11:09 This made more sense as I read back and discovered "seagull" is not, in fact, a seagull 11:17 sky rat 11:18 'lo. 11:18 NetSysFire how many cats do you have? 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:884 (0:08:31) 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a spear entrusted to him by Kos, on T:32944 (6:42:31) 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1076 points, T:954, killed by a bugbear 11:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 318 points, T:562, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) murdered Hecubus, her faithful lesser homunculus, on T:548 (0:04:55) 11:34 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:43 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 11:46 K2: I heard that the proper term for a winged rat is "pigeon". 11:46 heh 11:47 Though I think the person I heard that from, was from a big city. New York, probably. 11:47 Living in smaller communities, you never really see pigeons causing any problems. 11:47 Then again, we don't have rat problems either. 11:48 And Galion is just _slightly_ too far away from Lake Erie to get many seagulls. 20-30 minutes' drive closer, they get them e.g. congregating around mall dumpsters. 11:48 i like pigeons 11:49 a guy a block from me is a pigeon fancier and you can see his pigeons flying around his house often 11:49 they're a little gamey 11:49 mike tyson came to visit him 11:49 because he is also a pigeon fancier apparently 11:49 It took me decades to find out that pigeons and doves are essentially the same thing. The cultural connotations of the words are so very different. 11:50 they are all columbiformes 11:51 but there are lots of different genera and species 11:51 people just generally dont know what they are talking about when they are identifying animals :-) 11:52 The words "genus" and "species" are biology jargon for "I needed to get a paper published in a journal, so I went looking for a local population of this critter, that nobody has written a paper about before." 11:52 pigeon fanciers generally keep columba livia 11:53 there's also a whole dedicated pigeon fancying shop near me 11:53 at least I think it's still open 11:53 that has to be one of the last of a dying breed 11:53 that is not true at all; immunological difference and interbreeding potential help classify organisms into species and genera 11:53 old gross morphological classifications were of course hit and miss 11:54 The whole classification system is ... very haphazard. 11:54 pcr mad it fast and cheap to figure out when species diverged, the old electrophoretic gel techniques were cumbersome 11:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 11:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 607 points, T:1421, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:59 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 12:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of dragonhide low boots entrusted to him by Kos, on T:37240 (7:21:37) 12:03 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:37637 (7:24:39) 12:03 final wiz tower redo coming along nicely 12:04 Glad someone is reworking the wiz tower. It needed it. 12:05 aosdict did it in xnethack recently 12:05 latest version showcases it 12:05 Interesting. I should look at that. 12:06 the middle tower level wasnt received very well unfortunately 12:07 Bummer. 12:07 Players don't know what's good for 'em :-) 12:07 https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack/issues/171 12:10 yeah that genuinely looks rough 12:11 there's a very easy way around/through that map though 12:11 but if you dont know it or try, trying to navigate all the tele traps is pretty frustrating 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of low boots entrusted to him by Kos, on T:39332 (7:33:52) 12:17 Oh, jonadab, while I have you here and am actually working on something Fourk related 12:17 what's "xan, &c" mean in the context of monster classes 12:22 "xan or other mythical/fantastic insect" 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1184 (0:24:47) 12:27 I know what it means normally, krm26 12:27 but monst.c in fourk says that instead and I'm wondering if it's A Thing That Means Something 12:28 are you asking about "&c", a sometimes-abbreviation for "etc" or et cetera? 12:29 &c used to be very commonly used in longhand 12:29 Yeah, I was 12:29 that about solves it then, thanks 12:30 sure! sorry i misunderstood, wasn't trying to patronize or anything 12:30 i know you krm26 you're a notorious patron 12:30 nah you're fine 12:30 no, i'm a pedant 12:30 or a pedantrast as they say 12:37 :v 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) murdered Hecubus, her faithful homunculus, on T:2225 (0:44:48) 12:51 my shambler: 3d6 touch fire, 4d7 bite wound leg, 3d5 claw energy drain, 5d8 touch wound leg, 4d6 tentacle acid 12:51 what does tentacle acid mean? 12:52 Umbire: Yes, "&" is a ligature of the Latin word "et", which means "and". 12:52 So "&c" is also "etc" 12:52 as krm elaborated, yes 12:53 k3ut0i, it's a tentacle attack in the style of mindflayers, but deals acid damage rather than brain-sucking 12:53 attack types and damage types for shambling horrors are randomized, which is how you get the other stuff in that line 12:53 as in both rather than just taking a specific attack from a specific monster 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (energy vortices), on T:15365 (2:35:27) 12:54 two leg-breaking attacks is some asshole stuff that said 12:54 Hmm, so thats why we have both 'bite wound leg' and 'touch wound leg' 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 29618 points, T:15649, killed by an air elemental 12:55 ffs 12:55 swirly shit out to get your ass 12:56 Sokoban? 12:56 ya, as usual. 12:56 saw an energy vortex and guessed on my 150zm scroll and wiped them out. 12:57 my hp is so ridiculously low it's hard to survive an air elemental. 13:00 @e?weredemon 13:00 weredemon (d) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: fire | MR: 40 | Gen: special | AC: 0 | Atk: 4d6 bite lycanthropy, 4d6 breath fire | Align: -7 | carnivore, regen, poisonous, nopoly, silverhate, infravis 13:00 lycanthropy is only in animal form right? 13:00 Yeah 13:01 Monster lookup within the game is showing two different entries for weredemon. 13:02 Yeah, probably for each form 13:03 It is saying "weredemon" (animal form) for both. They both have bit lycanthropy attack. Stats are different too. 13:03 yeah, first is hellhound form, second is demon form 13:04 It shouldn't say animal form for both, but I almost buy weredemons biting you in both forms 13:04 hmmmm 13:04 yeah, if you do werejackal for instance it says animal form, human form 13:04 Why would animal form not have sickness and death magic? 13:04 resists 13:04 so a bug -- k2, second form of weredemon should say (demon form), not (animal form) 13:05 k3ut0i, it should, even if the dex entry isn't correctly reflecting that 13:05 probably a check like is_human ? human form : animal form that predates weredemons 13:06 yeah vanilla werecreatures are all unambiguously human/animal, weredemon is a wee bit different 13:11 -!- Loggers has joined #evilhack 13:12 animal (hellhound) form of weredemon doesn’t resist sickness/death magic. I don’t think that’s a bug 13:13 feel like it should but hmm 13:24 -!- Loggers has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:36844 (14:27:06) 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:36860 (14:27:26) 13:30 no bugs! 13:30 no whammies! 13:30 any bugs found today will be considered a feature until further notice 13:42 jebus wept...had an ac go out 5 weeks ago. leaking evaporator in a 2 year old unit! wait 2 weeks. new evaporator; loses cooling in 2 days. evaporator installed wrong! 2 more weeks, new evaporator. tell guy i want a full leak test before he replaces the evaporator. line set has a leak! probably the original f-ing evaporator was fine. now i get to wait for someone to replace the line set AND the f-ed 2nd evaporator. 13:43 they are lucky (and you all are unlucky) the only social media i use is #hardfought 13:44 you liar, this isn't #hardfought, it's #evilhack! 13:44 this is a totally different social media platform! 13:45 and you're putting them on blast here where all the evilhack-playing AC installation techs in Florida will see it 13:45 i'm not a liar, i'm just senile 13:46 i tried to ask if the very first guy if he'd done a full leak test because it is very unlikely for a 2 year old evaporator to leak but he mmostly spoke quechua and we couldn't communicate 13:48 I don't think I've ever heard someone speak quechua, what does it sound like? 13:49 That's like an Inca language or something right? 13:58 yeah native south american, the alternative to portuguese 13:58 find it in peru, argentina, chile, brasil, etc 13:59 very uncommon here, native quechua people in south america tend to be forced-underclass and not emigrate a lot 14:00 !! first promising infidel start in 2 days. The Olog-hai turns into master lich! thanks dl4 14:01 but you're not dead? 14:03 one turn then a pirannha! 14:03 but then it vanished so who the f knows 14:04 found it, super-fast piranha on land 14:12 kick it in the face 14:31 so i'm almost done with the wiztower revamp 14:32 the final top level of the tower, looking down at it, it kinda looks like a klingon bird of prey 14:32 hahaha 14:36 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:38221 (15:34:08) 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:38238 (15:35:06) 14:57 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:38577 (15:55:02) 15:07 i did a thing 15:07 when you reach the top of the tower, it counts as an event/achievement 15:08 entering the wizard of yendor's lair 15:08 which also fires off a com_pager message 15:08 this is what I have so far: 15:08 You have finally made the ascent to the top of the tower. As you 15:08 catch your breath, you peer outside through the iron-barred windows. 15:08 You can view off in the distance a small rocky platform that appears 15:08 to be suspended in midair, and a slender jagged bridge connecting it 15:08 to the top of the tower. Various creatures hover around the platform, 15:08 guarding... something? One misstep, and you would certainly fall to 15:08 your death. You sense an evil, powerful presence here, and realize you 15:08 are in the lair of the Wizard of Yendor himself. Beware! 15:08 how's that? 15:09 nice. what is it describing in the distance? vlad's? 15:09 no 15:10 there's a second floating platform at the top of the tower? 15:10 yes 15:10 surrounded by open air 15:10 you don't think it'll feel a bit samey to have the same setup in both towers (though one is at the top and the other is at the bottom I guess)? 15:10 no 15:10 I guess it's not a problem really 15:10 That is evil. open air when wizard summon nasties 15:11 oh I missed that there's a bridge 15:11 so it's actually not really the same 15:11 correct 15:11 when you see the map it'll make more sense 15:13 will it have paranoid air? 15:13 hell no 15:13 https://i.etsystatic.com/17832180/r/il/b77fc8/1771241274/il_570xN.1771241274_eowx.jpg <--- closest thing a quick search on google i could find that approximates what i made 15:14 there is demon lord lair where two little mazes are connected by a bridge but surrounded by water. That itself makes me nervous. 15:15 there are floating islands connected by root bridges in avatar movie 15:15 why did you implement paranoid water/lava if you don't want paranoid air? air is worse (instadeath and harder to cross) 15:15 k3ut0i yeah avatar movie, good one 15:16 that's the neat part, he didn't want to implement the former either 15:16 Noisytoot i didnt want paranoid water either 15:17 I'm not even against it in the slightest as someone who fucking despises typoing into random water squares in the Gnomish Mines, but I at least got not wanting to do it at the time 15:17 though it feels like less of an ask when there's more and more monsters that can just swat you right into the drink/boiler/abyss anyway 15:18 but for air I legitimately feel like the giant map-blocking com_pager message is at least sufficient 15:19 also I forget is the tower its own external branch now or is it still like, within gehennom's map? 15:21 it's going to be a new branch I'm pretty sure 15:22 yup 15:22 new branch 15:22 Ah 15:23 this is what I have so far (it's a lot) - https://termbin.com/28io 15:25 book of the dead in a container? 15:28 yeah that actually works 15:28 player cant place an invocation into a container, but it can start out in one apparently 15:30 wouldn't that make '* cannot be confined in such trappings' out of place. 'you cannot confine * in such trappings' might work? 15:30 'you' is the key word there 15:31 you cant put the book of the dead into a container. rodney had no such trouble 15:31 i didnt think that would work, nice surprise when it did heh 15:34 this may be ready to commit 15:35 that's what k3ut0i is suggesting' 15:36 yeah i get now 15:37 You("cannot confine %s in such trappings.", The(xname(obj))); 15:38 ok that's in 15:43 the 2 fake wiztowers (gehennom, one with portal, one without) is now just one w/ portal, and will always be the last level before the VS level 15:44 i did all that work awhile ago redoing the fake towers, didnt want to get rid of them 15:52 I don't think anyone should be able to place invocation items in containers 15:52 because then you can poly it/disintegrate it/drop it in air/blow it up if it's a BoH 15:52 or just pick it up and avoid the bad effects of carrying the amulet 15:53 they cant 15:54 it's gonna start out in a container, which does still invite some potential shenanigans 15:54 but then I'm confident you'll iron that out 15:55 so currently the book of the dead is in a crystal chest, which is already immune to a bunch of things 15:56 what happens if i pick up the chest with the book inside of it and drop it in open air? the book should tele itself to the hellc map 15:56 what's the reason for putting it in the chest? 15:57 if you wake up rodney and he teleports to you, you dont get free delivery of the book 16:00 ooof... hah 16:00 dropped the chest with the book in it 16:00 both are gone 16:01 if i drop it on its own, it does the tele to hellc bit 16:01 hmm yeah 16:01 i may want to rethink this 16:02 you could put some other valuable item on the island to entice people to go over there 16:02 and if people want to give up that up and come up with a clever idea to entice rodney over and fight him elsewhere that doesn't seem so bad to me, but probably many people would go anyway to get some good loot 16:03 not a bad idea 16:04 that would be much simpler than reworking flooreffects() to scan container objects 16:05 damn... ah well 16:05 this is why we test things 16:05 there's always the SoA and AoR to worry about regardless 16:06 well... technically the game destroys objects dropped in open air, but from a story standpoint, if you dropped the SoA down into a deep abyss, you're not getting that back 16:06 what do SoA and AoR stand for 16:06 sword of annihilation 16:06 armor of retribution 16:07 both are indestructible 16:07 my guess was going to be Shield of Avarice and Amulet of Rooty-tooty 16:07 lol 16:07 'rooty-tooty' 16:07 feel free to add that new artifact idea to the game 16:07 :) 16:07 ok so no commit just yet 16:07 yeah, i always thought it was weird that they ended up on hellc 16:08 maybe worth exempting them from that effect 16:08 i'm leaving soon, i'll put the book back on the ground out of the chest, and i'll place some enticing loot inside said chest instead 16:08 those artifacts aren't destroyed if they fall into the air terrapin, like invocation items? 16:08 nope they dont 16:09 hah! already protected 16:09 but NOT if in a container when it drops 16:09 yeah, flooreffects() just checks if obj_resists(obj, 0, 0), which is where AoR and SoA are immune 16:09 oh yeah I wasn't seeing them in obj_resists 16:09 but it was because I was on that branch from 2 years ago where I made all armor hawaiian 16:09 lol 16:10 haha! 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:39079 (17:00:47) 16:10 https://github.com/entrez/EvilHack/commit/2243ba2 this one -- because I had used it to see whether you could link to an arbitrary fork commit from the upstream repo 16:11 rofl 16:13 The Wizard of Yendor picks up a papyrus spellbook (20 aum). The Wizard of Yendor casts a spell! The Wizard of Yendor douses you in a torrent of acid! 16:13 what a jerk 16:14 i'll put some good stuff in the chest, make it worth the players while to loot it 16:17 I got frost giant riding saddled barded woolly mammoth :) 16:17 Will he still ride if I make them tame? 16:18 Is that possible one pet riding another? 16:18 no :( 16:18 idk why not but mean old K2 won't let pets ride each other 16:19 nor peaceful monsters 16:19 only enemies can ride 16:20 it was cauing too many issues at the time 16:20 *causing 16:24 pets should be able to ride centaur players 16:27 An archon riding a player would be awesome combination :] 16:27 wrangling the monster riding steeds code was already a nightmare as is if I recall 16:30 oooh the bugs... i can see them now 16:31 heading out, back later tonight 16:31 o/ 16:31 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Hum Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:39490 (17:25:14) 16:35 fare thee well 16:35 and godspeed 16:39 Later 17:07 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 17:07 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3515 (0:15:24) 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3899 (0:17:20) 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4007 (0:18:09) 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4104 (0:18:34) 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 2918 points, T:4131, choked on a Grey-elf corpse 17:44 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 175 points, T:989, killed by a giant rat 18:33 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 18:38 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 18:39 hi loggers. 18:39 hello minsy 18:40 are you still playing evilhack or hackem? 18:40 I haven't play now. 18:41 Actually I stopped play nethack for a month maybe, it's a bit boring. 18:41 ah 18:41 Then recently I think I could give EvilHack a try lol, seems more interesting. 18:41 makes sense 18:42 evilhack has a lot of roles and races that play differently from vanilla 18:42 I like drow convict, and tortle healer the most 18:44 I heard of convict, seems much harder. 18:45 the early game is hard, the rest is not so bad 18:45 Maybe just like regular ones. 18:45 I think drow convict might be the hardest combo in any variant? there's probably some obscure slashthem or notdnethack role that's harder 18:46 but evilhack as a variant is harder so that probably edges those out 18:46 The drow race is very weak? 18:46 Maybe it's low hp I think. 18:46 Haven't play one. 18:47 I installed hack'em yesterday, but haven't start one game too. 18:47 the drow race is very strong 18:47 I'm not sure, after ascending a lot vanilla game, losing seems frustrates me more lol. 18:48 their only downside basically is low HP, and they regenerate HP slower in the light 18:48 I used to get frustrated when I died but I think now I can get over it faster 18:49 when you die as much as me though, it is essential :P 18:50 Lol, I would try to calm when lose. 18:51 I see the shopkeeper see striped shirt gives a permanent markup. 18:52 Will the sewer rat die fast? 18:52 they won't even let you into the shop if they see the shirt 18:52 Oh right. 18:52 I am not sure, I play petless so never used the sewer rat 18:52 it seems tedious to try and use because when you have a ball and chain you cannot swap places 18:54 I see, and maybe no food the turns is more crucial to find foods. 18:54