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03:08 <xdminsy> What should I genocide? Black dragons?
03:09 <xdminsy> I have one scroll of genocide.
03:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:100835 (2 days, 7:54:23)
03:16 <xdminsy> Oh, what is potion of drow poison, is it used to poison projectiles?
03:16 <k3ut0i> Yes, causes them to fall asleep.
03:17 <xdminsy> wow, got it.
03:17 <k3ut0i> What part of the game are you in? genocide depends on that and intrinsics you already have.
03:17 <xdminsy> I finished quest now.
03:17 <xdminsy> I'd go castle now I think.
03:18 <k3ut0i> you have reflection? free action? disintegration resis?
03:18 <xdminsy> I have free action and MR, but I have no reflection and disint :(
03:20 <k3ut0i> You can always see what monsters are in castle. If there are any black dragons or liches that can summon nasty, you can genocide black dragons. 
03:20 <k3ut0i> Have you fought medusa before?
03:20 <k3ut0i> in evilhack?
03:20 <xdminsy> No, I currently reach medusa island.
03:20 <xdminsy> Yes evilhack.
03:21 <xdminsy> How do I send pictures in irc lol.
03:22 <k3ut0i> @e?medusa
03:22 <Hecubus> Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Align: -15 | omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravis
03:23 <xdminsy> Ah yes, yesterday loggers told me to just use wands at her.
03:23 <xdminsy> https://pasteboard.co/UJVTjUoIfRS0.png
03:23 <xdminsy> My +6 mjollnir get cancelled, but now I have 4 scrolls of enchant weapon again.
03:24 <xdminsy> I think I'd enchant again..
03:24 <xdminsy> I don't know that gray dragons have passive cancellation, then some of my wands got cancelled too.
03:25 <xdminsy> I'm now -30 AC, I don't know if I can beat ice queen's realm.
03:25 <k3ut0i> You have gray dragon scales, so you also have passive cancellation now.
03:28 <k3ut0i> You have apron, so acid resistance. You can probably beat Ice queen, but don't fight head on. Clear every thing, lure the dogs out and lock them and then fight ranged. Enchanted daggers should take care of her. Take a look at castle see if it is easy enough.
03:29 <k3ut0i> Keep the genocide scroll, you can use it if necessary. Can't predict every thing now. 
03:29 <xdminsy> Acid resistance is very important in evilhack right?
03:30 <xdminsy> Okay, I could save them, I accidentally drop a lot potions when I was levitating, now I have very few potions..
03:30 <k3ut0i> First time I fought ice queen, I was a wizard with 100HP. One acid blast and I'm dead.
03:30 <xdminsy> What the heck is the damage lol..
03:30 <k3ut0i> You have gjallar so half damage should help.
03:30 <xdminsy> @e?ice queen
03:30 <Hecubus> No such monster.
03:31 <k3ut0i> @e?Kathryn the ice queen
03:31 <Hecubus> Kathryn the Ice Queen (@) | Lvl: 32 | Diff: 36 | Spd: 15 | Res: cold sleep petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 3d4 weapon physical, 8d8 touch cold, 3d8 cast clerical, 3d8 cast spell | Align: -128 | omnivore, flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly
03:32 <xdminsy> So should I enchant daggers or mjollnir?
03:33 <xdminsy> Oh and, there's a lot daggers that are made of different materials.
03:33 <k3ut0i> You can do both with 5 scrolls.
03:33 <xdminsy> How to make them same materials and stack?
03:34 <xdminsy> Okay I'd try, I think I need to obtain some more holy waters.
03:34 <k3ut0i> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Forge_(dungeon_feature)
03:35 <k3ut0i> If you find some mithril arrow or darts, try forging mithril daggers. Lighter and more damage.
03:35 <xdminsy> Okay thx.
03:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:100873 (2 days, 8:17:35)
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03:46 <xdminsy> I find I have only 10 mithril arrows, seems I could get only 5 mithril daggers.
03:46 <xdminsy> So should I enchant those or I have already maybe 30 plain daggers?
03:47 <k3ut0i> I'd go with plain.
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03:48 <xdminsy> Thx, me too I think.
04:09 <xdminsy> Wow the dragonbane is gauntlets providing reflection and acid resistance.
04:09 <xdminsy> That's quite useful..
04:10 <xdminsy> And I got a hill giant shamon keep summoning a around me, that's quite faster for farming gifts.
04:11 <k3ut0i> dragonbane gives a lot more AC too.
04:14 <xdminsy> I'm now quite strong I think, lol.
04:18 <xdminsy> Oh I remember I need lvl 26 to assure gaining artifact.
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04:39 <xdminsy> Wow, and the god gave me cloak of protection and helm of speed.
04:39 <xdminsy> Now I fully understand why EvilHack players like farming..
04:40 <k3ut0i> It will be enchanted too. One time I got +5 helm of brilliance :)
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04:40 <xdminsy> yes +4 helm of speed and +3 cop.
05:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:102819 (2 days, 9:44:07)
05:05 <xdminsy> The luckstone heavily slows Luck timeout, how much is it?
05:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:102822 (2 days, 9:44:39)
05:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:102946 (2 days, 9:49:16)
05:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful ettin, on T:103100 (2 days, 9:59:16)
05:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:103166 (2 days, 10:06:33)
05:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:103248 (2 days, 10:10:34)
05:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:103260 (2 days, 10:11:19)
05:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:103314 (2 days, 10:17:31)
05:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:103333 (2 days, 10:18:37)
05:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) used a forge to create the Armor of Retribution, on T:103377 (2 days, 10:21:45)
05:45 <xdminsy> Wow you are nearly ending?
05:45 <xdminsy> I have some artifacts, Giantslayer, Cleaver, Mjollnir, Trollsbane, Magicbane, Fire brand, Angelslayer.
05:45 <xdminsy> Which two should I centuarian valkyrie use?
05:45 <xdminsy> Seems nothing can I forge.
05:46 <k3ut0i> cleaver + mjollnir = tempest
05:46 <k3ut0i> centurian can make good use of halberd.
05:46 <k3ut0i> depends on the play style.
05:47 <k3ut0i> 2weaponing angelslayer with mojo or firebrand is also good. 
05:48 <xdminsy> Okay I'd go angelslayer and mojo now.
05:48 <xdminsy> If I have SoA later, should I use that?
05:49 <k3ut0i> yes.
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05:49 <xdminsy> Got it.
05:54 <mobileuser> lance can also be nice. a centaur is automatically "riding".
05:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Saint Michael, on T:103522 (2 days, 10:33:58)
05:55 <xdminsy> I remember I got a saddle this game, and tried to mount a warhorse :(
05:55 <xdminsy> Lol.
05:55 <mobileuser> heh, no need to! :-)
05:58 <xdminsy> Oh and, should I wish frost brand later to forge SoA?
05:59 <xdminsy> I'd like to do this, maybe worth it, I used to like wishing artifact weapon in vanilla.
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06:49 <xdminsy> @e?Medusa
06:49 <Hecubus> Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Align: -15 | omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravis
06:53 <Umbire> Yeah Medusa is actually a threat, esp. compared to vanilla
06:53 <Umbire> Have yellow-scaled armor ot plenty of lizard corpses
06:53 <Umbire> or*
06:53 <xdminsy> Ah, I shoot a wand of fire and a wand of cold to kill her.
06:53 <xdminsy> One map that she's behind a iron bars lol.
06:54 <xdminsy> I found that the sleep resistance is hard to get.
06:55 <xdminsy> The 5 basic I have 100% at other 5, but only 24% sleep resistance.
06:56 <xdminsy> How much need I reach to avoid be put into sleep? 100% or 35% like poison?
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06:59 <Umbire> Idk exactly, I'm not even sure sleep works that way per se but like
06:59 <Umbire> You should've run into quite a few elves by now to eat them
07:00 <Umbire> There's also homunculi and cubes
07:00 <Umbire> Role/race?
07:00 <xdminsy> Ah yes, maybe I forget to eat some elves.
07:00 <xdminsy> I'm centaurian valkyrie.
07:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:104549 (2 days, 11:40:44)
07:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:104550 (2 days, 11:40:57)
07:04 <xdminsy> @e?snark
07:04 <Hecubus> snark (J) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 18 | Res: disintegrate | Confer: disintegrate | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d6 bite physical, 2d6 bite physical | Align: 0 | carnivore, flies, nopoly, infravis
07:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 7266475 points, T:104570, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1692103362.evil.html
07:07 <xdminsy> Wow.
07:09 <xdminsy> congrats.
07:09 <xdminsy> Why after I got 100% shock resistance, it'll still tell me my health is slightly more amplified.
07:12 <mobileuser> woohoo!
07:12 <mobileuser> congrats k3ut01!
07:13 <mobileuser> * k3ut0i
07:14 <mobileuser> xdminsy you must have something that gives you extrinsic shock res
07:14 <xdminsy> Oh yes, I see, it's mjollnir.
07:16 <mobileuser> oh, and you really need 100% sleep res to never be put to sleep
07:16 <mobileuser> one of the reasons I like to get crowned early...
07:17 <mobileuser> btw, tinning elf zombies is a nice extra source of sleep res
07:17 <xdminsy> Ah I see, thx.
07:17 <xdminsy> I got a tinning kit by a arc player monster.
07:17 <xdminsy> Those player monsters give a lot useful resources.
07:18 <xdminsy> I think I need to eat all resistance, I may later farm more I think.
07:20 <Umbire> gg k3ut0i 
07:20 <Umbire> Always be eating elves
07:20 <Umbire> Unless you are an elves
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07:22 <xdminsy> Ah yes, maybe cuz I'm somewhat always satiated.
07:33 <krm26> grats k3ut0i!
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07:35 <k3ut0i> :) Thank You o/
07:36 <k3ut0i> I really wanted to steal book from rodney without killing him and then farm for wraith corpses. Double trouble made it weird, had to kill him.
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07:41 <k3ut0i> Also shadowblade is pretty nice for planes. Not much use in gehennom.
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07:53 <krm26> i have a hard time seeing shadowblade as competition for soa, hammer, angelslayer, etc
07:55 <k3ut0i> I always had trouble with fire, air elementals in the planes, shadowblade made them a breeze.
07:55 <k3ut0i> It seems to do lot more drain than stormbringer.
07:55 <k3ut0i> Good for player monsters too.
07:56 <Umbire> It pumps backstab damage for rogues so
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08:32 <xdminsy> Wow, after I eat to 18/** St, I quaffed two blessed potion of gain ability and reach 20..
08:33 <xdminsy> I'm not sure, maybe I don't need to eat those giants?
08:40 <K2> what is your race xdminsy?
08:41 <krm26> you can't ask that question!
08:41 <krm26> gotta be a centaur from his accent tho
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08:45 <xdminsy> I'm centaurian valkyrie.
08:46 <Umbire> 20 is the centaur cap for strength, yes
08:47 <xdminsy> Ah I mean, could I just quaff b!oga to reach 19 when I was 18?
08:47 <mobileuser> no
08:47 <xdminsy> Or I still need to eat to 18/** and then gain ability.
08:47 <xdminsy> Okay.
08:47 <mobileuser> that :-)
08:49 <xdminsy> Lol this is my second evilhack game, I'd like to play slower.
08:49 <xdminsy> K2 recommended centaurian valkyrie to me maybe several days before.
08:50 <mobileuser> only your second? you're doing well then!
08:50 <Umbire> It's 18 -> 18/01-18/** -> 19, etc.
08:50 <Umbire> Centaurs can reach 20 Str, giants can reach 25
08:51 <xdminsy> Ah yes, the early game seems similar to vanilla, the difficult parts in EvilHack haven't come to me now.
08:52 <xdminsy> Seems there's a lot bosses in after castle.
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08:52 <xdminsy> Which roles can perform well in giant?
08:52 <Loggers_VIII> hello hackers
08:53 <xdminsy> Hello loggers.
08:53 <Loggers_VIII> How goes the grind
08:53 <krm26> giants are interesting in all their legal roles
08:53 <Loggers_VIII> giants are always kind of good I think yea
08:53 <xdminsy> I personlly only play human in vanilla.
08:53 <xdminsy> Maybe could try some interesting races in evilhack.
08:53 <krm26> monk giants are the least "disruptive" since you get a bunch of free level-based resists and already have to sacrifice armor for the role
08:54 <Loggers_VIII> I like human in vanilla but in evilhack I think tortle and drow are the most fun
08:54 <krm26> but my personal favorites are caster giants (priest, wizard)
08:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3441 (1:07:57)
08:55 <Loggers_VIII> speaking of priest, do the new bracers have spell casting penalties?
08:56 <K2> same as small shield
08:56 <krm26> you can answer that question for yourself: does k2 hate priests? does he play sick jokes on them with their quest artifact while claiming it is good? yes. yes he does. he is a priest-hating anti-priest priestbigot. bad k2!
08:57 <K2> :(
08:57 <krm26> pooor priests
08:57 <krm26> i cry myself to sleep each night because ashmar blocks casting
08:57 <krm26> ALL I WANT IS EVERYTHING
08:57 <Loggers_VIII> make ashmar a pair of dwarves bracers
08:57 <xdminsy> Lol, in vanilla in my view only wizard is spell casters.
08:57 <K2> i would reply with reason, but you're from florida
08:57 <Loggers_VIII> *dwarven
08:58 <K2> :P
08:58 <krm26> i'm gonna get desantis to remove you from office!
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08:58 <xdminsy> How to get everything, do you farm every game?
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08:58 <krm26> man i gotta finish this game so i can run priest again, priests are so great
08:58 <xdminsy> I think my farm did something wrong, should I reach lvl 26 first?
08:58 <K2> errmahgerd i wanna wrap up first floor wiz tower revamp today
08:58 <mobileuser> xdminsy in evilhack wizards and infidels are the REAL spellcasters (imo)
08:59 <Loggers_VIII> don't listen to mobileuser's sweet lies
08:59 <mobileuser> lol
08:59 <xdminsy> After obtain helm of speed and cloak of protection, seems the plain objects gifted are only mundane weapons.
08:59 <Loggers_VIII> xdminsy level 25 is fine if you want to farm
08:59 <krm26> xdimsy, my strategy is stay at 19 until it is time to kill rodney, then zip up to 30 for ascension run
08:59 <Loggers_VIII> 25 is enough to pretty much always get artifacts unless you are unlucky
09:00 <Loggers_VIII> yes but you also farm for like 10 hours every game krm26
09:00 <Loggers_VIII> :p
09:00 <krm26> just because i have farm apnia
09:00 <Loggers_VIII> escape the skinner box. prove your humanity
09:00 <krm26> i too am a human who does human things like leave boxes
09:00 <Loggers_VIII> lol
09:00 <xdminsy> Emmm what the tricks at 19, I farmed at 15 or 16 I think.
09:01 <xdminsy> And be bestowed a lot weapons I don't need :(
09:01 <krm26> level 19 = no invincible player monster rogues ruining your day
09:01 <xdminsy> plain weapons.
09:01 <xdminsy> What could they do?
09:01 <Loggers_VIII> being at level 20+ is usually enough to get artifacts most of the time
09:01 <Loggers_VIII> they are just enchanted blessed mundane weapons
09:01 <krm26> you may not yet have encountered a -45ac magic resistant player rogue with a stack of cursed teleportation scrolls and your bag of holding. good times
09:01 <xdminsy> Oh I see that there's hardly permanent see invisible.
09:02 <xdminsy> But luckly valkyrie has warning.
09:02 <krm26> crowning for that xdimsy
09:02 <Loggers_VIII> the only permanent see invisible is to be a monk, crowning or thrones
09:02 <xdminsy> Oh I see.
09:02 <xdminsy> So when should I crown?
09:02 <mobileuser> some ESP source will do if don't like to get crowned
09:02 <xdminsy> Before gehennom or I could just farm more after gehennom.
09:02 <mobileuser> I always try to get crowned ASAP
09:03 <Loggers_VIII> I crown early because then I get all the elemental resistances
09:03 <Loggers_VIII> crowning does not affect sacrificing, only praying
09:03 <krm26> i just let it happen naturally, as my relationship with crom develops. no pressure crom
09:04 <xdminsy> Lol, got it.
09:04 <mobileuser> and then you betray crom by converting :-(
09:05 <Loggers_VIII> permaconversion my beloved <3
09:05 <mobileuser> by crom :@
09:06 <xdminsy> Is there stronger reason to convert alignment in evilhack?
09:06 <xdminsy> I heard that chaotic Knight could obtain Dirge.
09:06 <Loggers_VIII> um if you're playing convict drow and you want to use a very specific niche thing
09:06 <Loggers_VIII> I've never done it any other role/race combo I think
09:07 <xdminsy> Neither.
09:07 <K2> chaotic knight, wield any long sword and do a same race sacrifice, you get dirge
09:08 <K2> DIRGE
09:08 <Loggers_VIII> dirge is super good
09:08 <Loggers_VIII> plus when grazzt has it it's annoying af
09:08 <K2> graz'zt spawns with it if it doesnt already exist
09:08 <xdminsy> I have a lot artifact weapon, but I think I only need that frost brand now.
09:09 <Loggers_VIII> what artifacts do you have?
09:09 <krm26> in evilhack, while frost brand is great, you can forge frost and fire together to make the sword of annihilation
09:09 <xdminsy> Angelslayer, Fire Brand, Mjollnir, Cleaver Magicbane Trollsbane.
09:09 <xdminsy> Oh and dragon bane.
09:10 <xdminsy> Ah yes, I wanna SoA and already have fire brand.
09:10 <Loggers_VIII> get SoA, twoweapon it with angelslayer and run on down to ascend!!
09:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:50263 (1 day, 0:35:38)
09:10 <Loggers_VIII> ezpz
09:10 <Umbire> both brands are good and their being offhandable short swords makes them even better
09:10 <Umbire> "problem" is that SoA exists
09:11 <krm26> soa/angelslayer is a killer combo
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09:11 <xdminsy> I have only one altar in level 4.
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09:11 <xdminsy> The hill giant shaman help me a lot with summoning insects.
09:11 <xdminsy> But seems a are all extinct, it's all snakes now..
09:11 <Loggers_VIII> lol nice
09:12 <Umbire> Snakes still work lol
09:12 <Umbire> just don't get anaconda'd
09:12 <Umbire> also fuck locusts
09:12 <xdminsy> Ah yes, but I got a lot plain weapons, I think I waste some chance to gain frost brand.
09:12 <xdminsy> Ah yes they are so heavy..
09:12 <Loggers_VIII> luckily in most recent version getting a mundane weapon doesn't affect artifact chance
09:12 <Umbire> ^
09:13 <Umbire> I almost prefer mundane weapons to artifacts, early on anyway
09:13 <xdminsy> Oh yes, but it waste my gifts :(
09:13 <Loggers_VIII> you can always wish for frost brand if you don't wanna farm
09:13 <xdminsy> Yes, I hardly farm in vanilla, but I'd later farm more.
09:13 <xdminsy> If I cant be gifted I could wish that.
09:14 <Loggers_VIII> you're always guaranteed one artifact wish in evil
09:14 <xdminsy> Lol you know that I always wish Grayswandir in vanilla.
09:14 <Loggers_VIII> lol yeah
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09:16 <xdminsy> Why angelslayer so preferred?
09:16 <xdminsy> Maybe cuzz gjallar have no half spell damage I think?
09:17 <Loggers_VIII> in current version it's super good since it's fire attack works on everything
09:17 <Loggers_VIII> even if they're fire resistant
09:17 <Loggers_VIII> *its
09:17 <Loggers_VIII> fuck I became one of those people who uses the wrong "its"
09:17 <Loggers_VIII> I will now violently evaporate
09:17 <Umbire> *right
09:18 <xdminsy> Oh I see.
09:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a silver splint mail entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:8550 (1:36:52)
09:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:50930 (1 day, 0:53:20)
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09:38 <krm26> k2: still think lemures need to be beefed in some way, especially for the huge lemure rooms in that one gehennom level. current smop idea: (1) lemures claw attack gets a random (per-lemure) additional effect (stun, drain, whatever) and (2) when a lemure acts it gains 1dN maxhp, where N is the number of other lemures in its sight range
09:39 <krm26> that would make those rooms as fun as a barrel of monkeys!
09:39 <Loggers_VIII> I still think the "when you're killed by lucifer you get to be a named lemure" was a fun idea
09:39 <krm26> not exclusive!
09:40 <Loggers_VIII> EvilHack 0.8.3: The Lemure Update
09:40 <krm26> was just thinking about fun "monster aggregation" things
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09:40 <Loggers_VIII> anyway the maxhp and random effect thing sounds fun
09:41 <Loggers_VIII> lemures are too boring as-is
09:41 <Loggers_VIII> @e?lemure
09:41 <Hecubus> lemure (i) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 3 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: sleep | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom | AC: 7 | Atk: 1d3 claw physical | Align: -7 | genocidable, regen, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis
09:41 <Loggers_VIII> 1d3 claw physical? who the hell do you think you are?
09:42 <krm26> yeah, i think those two abilities together would make them a fascinating "room-full-of-uh-oh" encounter, without really substantially changing a random individual lemure that much
09:45 <Loggers_VIII> then give lucifer a spell that summons like 8-12 lemures, we're cooking
09:45 <Loggers_VIII> I'm stealing this idea for theoretical quaffhack
09:47 <krm26> a new gehennom terrain feature could be a "lemure fountain". has a chance of popping out a lemure every once in a while until it is destroyed
09:49 <Umbire> the entire point of lemures is that they're wimpy wretches condemned to hell and the mercy of the demons there
09:49 <Umbire> but from a statline point I get it
09:53 <K2> heh
10:06 <Noisytoot> krm26: Wouldn't idea 2 make them gain maxhp indefinitely?
10:06 <Loggers_VIII> cap it at 666
10:07 <terrapin> at which point they become lucifer
10:07 <Loggers_VIII> considering I think most of them would reach it at the same time, that could be funny
10:08 <terrapin> the devil takes on many forms, sometimes all at the same time
10:09 <Loggers_VIII> the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was turning a bunch of lemures into himself and killing unsuspecting players
10:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:8754 (2:10:30)
10:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Hum Fem Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4007 (0:46:41)
10:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4168 (0:47:48)
10:30 <Loggers_VIII> !who
10:30 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] k3ut0i [evil] Grouchy [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players
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10:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4324 points, T:10123, killed by a piranha
10:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 57 points, T:131, killed by an electric shock
10:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:51920 (1 day, 2:06:20)
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10:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2472 (0:17:16)
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10:56 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Lump_of_royal_jelly phhbbhy
10:56 <Umbire> s/hy/ht
10:56 <Umbire> gotta have a proper raspberry
10:57 <krm26> blessed royal jelly in evilhack never seems to give me my coveted 1maxhp
11:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:49246 (7:10:58)
11:00 <alivernine> My dad and I went to Yosemite over the weekend. There wasn't any Wi-Fi there but I did play some EvilHack. Currently my guy is at -70AC and I managed to get the Sword of Annihilation. Now I'm in the Valley of the Dead and I have no clue what to do about Charon.
11:00 <Loggers_VIII> -70 AC???
11:00 <krm26> leave charon alone
11:00 <krm26> open/knock the gate and fight cerberus
11:00 <Loggers_VIII> also, did you have fun at yosemite? :)
11:01 <alivernine> Yep! We did the Half Dome hike but neither of us won the lottery, so we just turned around at the Cloud's Rest junction. Now I am owned from the hike.
11:01 <Umbire> I think Charon basically exists as a last resort choice if you somehow have no other means of opening the drawbridge
11:01 <Umbire> which, you should always have at least the blessed Bell of Opening 
11:01 <Loggers_VIII> lol
11:01 <Loggers_VIII> why, does charon have a wand of opening or something
11:02 <alivernine> I've also been building up my HP. Currently it is at 395.
11:02 <Loggers_VIII> you're set for gehennom. Do vecna's domain first, so you can genocide Ls and alhoons
11:02 <krm26> i think the last time i was in yosemite the maclure glacier was like 10 times the size it is now
11:02 <terrapin> yeah, charon has an opening wand
11:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:49843 (7:15:40)
11:05 <Loggers_VIII> wow thanks hermes it's so nice of you to get all the bad artifacts out of the way first
11:05 <K2> Charon is really there just for flavor, but yeah he carries a wand of opening, so you can kill him/steal it as a last resort
11:06 <K2> we wanna go to yosemite at some point. did yellowstone last summer
11:07 <Noisytoot> why is that drawbridge indestructible?
11:07 <alivernine> Because of the scarcity of forges, I ultimately went for SoA over Ashmar because my current kit has virtually every single resistance I could ever want--including acid, stoning, free action, drain and death--but I severely needed a weapon with better base damage than Vorpal Blade.
11:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3522 points, T:4368, killed by a death ray
11:08 <K2> so it cant be destroyed
11:09 <alivernine> Oh yeah, my whole family went to Yellowstone earlier this year. It was quite fun! My mom got so excited at seeing the baby bison.
11:09 <K2> awesome
11:10 <K2> was kinda hoping to see someone try to pet the wildlife pay the consequences but that didnt happen 
11:11 <K2> we did have a big bull waltz right up to our position where we were watching other animals, we got out of his way. he walked right by like it was no big deal
11:11 <K2> our guide had spotted a fresh bison carcass, we watched a pack of wolves converge on it
11:12 <alivernine> The park always tells you to drive slowly around bison, so I think they got used to car traffic. The babies though, they get spooked whenever a car passes by.
11:12 <alivernine> We saw some wolves eating a bison on our trip as well.
11:12 <K2> was cool watching their hierarchy play out
11:12 <K2> heh was also saw a juvenille bison play with a traffic cone
11:13 <Umbire> :D
11:13 <Umbire> aw k3ut0i D:
11:14 <alivernine> The GWAWOD strikes again!
11:16 <Umbire> !lastgame
11:16 <Hecubus> Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1692628381.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1692200509.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Jospehas/evilhack/dumplog/1692360614.evil.html
11:17 <alivernine> A dwarf with a wand of death. Close enough!
11:17 <Umbire> got by bones
11:27 <alivernine> Can forges spawn in Gehennom? I'm kinda still hoping for Ashmar, but if not that's okay.
11:27 <K2> no
11:27 <K2> i might throw one in orcus town
11:27 <K2> purgatory has 2
11:28 <K2> hmm i cant remember if there are forges in any of the demon boss levels
11:30 <Loggers_VIII> I don't think any of the demon boss levels have forges
11:31 <Loggers_VIII> I think with the amount of multi-step forging recipes there are now there should be at least one more guaranteed before purgatory
11:31 <Loggers_VIII> since if you get unlucky you could only get goblin town(?)
11:32 <krm26> the game doesnt owe you any forges!
11:32 <K2> orcus town makes sense
11:33 <krm26> no it doesnt
11:33 <krm26> orcus melted that forge making his rod
11:33 <Loggers_VIII> game doesn't owe you priest shields either :P
11:33 <krm26> aint that the truth
11:34 <alivernine> Yeah, not going to take my good luck for granted. I found another magic lamp but I'm keeping it around as a light source for jumping.
11:35 <Umbire> there are other lightsources
11:35 <Umbire> e.g. shield of light 
11:36 <Umbire> also for how lava demons are flavored it'd be weird if there weren't an odd forge or two in Gehennom
11:36 <Noisytoot> can you poly sinks into forges?
11:36 <Umbire> you can, theoretically
11:37 <Umbire> if you have enough poly rings laying around
11:37 <alivernine> Hm. I do still have several poly wands and ring polyfodder.
11:39 <krm26> honestly i kinda think you should be able to burn a wish on a forge(etc) like in wiz mode
11:40 <Loggers_VIII> wishing for dungeon features is something I've wanted for ever
11:40 <Loggers_VIII> but it'd probably open a can of worms or something
11:41 <krm26> it probably hasn't had the robust exercise of normal game features for sure
11:44 <Loggers_VIII> maybe could add in a wand of create feature :p
11:45 <krm26> wand of boulders first!
11:48 <Loggers_VIII> can you wish for boulders
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11:52 <terrapin> well, readobjnam is a whirlpool of insanity but you can wish for boulders in wizmode and there doesn't seem to be a special case for them, so presumably you can wish for them in normal play
11:57 <alivernine> How to deal with alhoons? I have a greased hat and a can of grease and I'm checking their resistances with farlook.
11:58 <krm26> they are covetous so best handled on upstairs
11:58 <alivernine> They look to be immune to virtually everything...save disintegration.
11:59 <krm26> if they are really troubling you, you can boulder fort them -- usually by the time you get to them you can tough out several rounds while you beat them to death or acid blast them
11:59 <krm26> they are very frequent genocides after you've killed vecna
11:59 <terrapin> scrolls of scare monster make them pretty simple, especially if you have an instakill weapon like SoA
11:59 <terrapin> if you have a pet around, the scrolls are even 100% recyclable!
12:00 <krm26> scare monster can work against you, sometimes, too -- because it doesn't stop them from summoning nasties
12:00 <alivernine> Lol the SoA got him. He couldn't even get the grease on my hat.
12:00 <Loggers_VIII> usually you only have to deal with 1-2 before you kill vecna
12:01 <Loggers_VIII> they're quite high level so you probably won't see them on the first gehennom level
12:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:4452 (0:52:27)
12:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5230 (0:56:11)
12:06 <alivernine> Hm. I think salamanders and vorpal jabberwocks would be good geno targets too. I've been carefully dealing with them so far but it would be easier to just geno.
12:06 <krm26> cant
12:06 <Loggers_VIII> [can't genocide either of those lol
12:06 <alivernine> Ahh. Darn it!
12:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:5435 (0:57:35)
12:06 <Loggers_VIII> add a stop message to your rcfile about salamanders wrapping their arms around you and you'll never die to them
12:06 <krm26> things that can give you a hard time sometimes that ARE genocidable, other than alhoons, are master and arch liches, antimatter vortex, shocking sphere, green slime
12:07 <alivernine> Already geno'd all three of those.
12:07 <Loggers_VIII> beyond anything gimmicky giant centipedes hit really hard and hold you in place
12:07 <Loggers_VIII> but only go for those if you have ink to burn/scrolls to spare
12:07 <Umbire> There's a lot of sources of good non-elemental damage so
12:07 <alivernine> Where can I find Vecna's domain in Gehennom?
12:07 <Umbire> Via portal
12:08 <Loggers_VIII> magic portal on the first gehennom level
12:08 <Umbire> You should hear some ambience hinting at its presence
12:08 <Loggers_VIII> you can walk around the whole level or just use gold detection to find it
12:11 <krm26> mmm, gold detection, the best of the scrolls!
12:11 <alivernine> I probably don't really need half phys damage at this point, actually. I've been meleeing elder minotaurs without a thought.
12:11 <Loggers_VIII> yeah -70 AC is crazy
12:12 <alivernine> But it would be hilarious to get it lol.
12:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:53046 (1 day, 3:39:54)
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12:26 <Loggers_VIII> "the housecat in the box is still alive" \o/
12:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a steel long sword entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:8256 (1:19:29)
12:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:53530 (1 day, 3:54:31)
12:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a platinum heavy mace entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:54979 (7:33:08)
12:30 <Loggers_VIII> hermes you cunt >:(
12:30 <Loggers_VIII> I give you like 200 corpses and this is the thanks I get???
12:30 <Loggers_VIII> clearly hermes picks favorites
12:30 <krm26> you can have my frost brand
12:31 <Loggers_VIII> k2 implement the swap chest immediately
12:31 <alivernine> You can also have my mojo, werebane, giantslayer, demonbane, sunsword, vorpal...
12:31 <Loggers_VIII> :P
12:31 <Loggers_VIII> my kingdom for your sunsword and demonbane!
12:31 <krm26> you are sleeping on hammer of the gods there
12:32 <Loggers_VIII> can you imagine? me with SoA, my archon with HotG. beautiful
12:32 <alivernine> I had exactly two forges and I already used them for GoPur and SoA.
12:32 <K2> Loggers_VIII - no
12:33 <K2> :P
12:33 <Loggers_VIII> booo
12:33 <K2> hisssss
12:33 <Loggers_VIII> this is why janis stopped playing, you know
12:33 <K2> really
12:33 <K2> no swap chest
12:33 <Loggers_VIII> yea
12:34 <Loggers_VIII> and now, you've lost another player
12:34 <Loggers_VIII> goodbye, EvilHack.
12:34 <K2> :/
12:34 <krm26> nooooooo
12:35 <Loggers_VIII> okay 5 more minutes
12:36 <K2> hah
12:36 <K2> i will get you a swap chest for xmas
12:36 <K2> you can open it, put your complaints in it, and they can be swapped with its twin at krm26's house
12:36 <Loggers_VIII> hahahah
12:37 <K2> heh :P
12:37 <Loggers_VIII> my birthday's in november so the tnnt one can count as a birthday gift
12:37 <K2> cool
12:37 <krm26> my complaint chest is always full
12:37 <K2> i wanna do magic chests, its been on my wish list for a long time now
12:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:9406 (1:28:48)
12:37 <krm26> my daughter writes a lot of complaints
12:38 <Loggers_VIII> is magic chests the ones that share an inventory
12:38 <K2> yes
12:38 <krm26> multiple points of access to one stash
12:38 <K2> i dont like dntehack implementation, would rather do it the way fiqhack does it
12:38 <K2> *dnethack
12:39 <Loggers_VIII> dnethack implementation is silly
12:39 <krm26> i dont think those are a very exciting addition -- UNLESS of course they can't be polymorphed or destroyed, then i love it :-)
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12:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:53731 (1 day, 4:06:34)
12:41 <krm26> poor stupid werebane, the worst artifact, and yet unused in recipes
12:42 <krm26> i love forging, but i *do* think there is a bit of forged artifact bloat...i wish that the recipes competed with each other, i.e. same ingredient used in multiple recipes which precludes forging everything
12:43 <krm26> was wondering if maybe it wouldn't be better/more balanced if some of the recipes used 3 ingredients (off the cuff example, add werebane to both hammer of the gods and gauntlets of purity, etc)
12:44 <K2> i thought about requiring more than 2 things
12:44 <K2> didnt want to add another level of complexity
12:45 <krm26> i know that is a pain, but i do think that is one way from keeping evilhack from feeling like forgehack :-)
12:45 <krm26> an alternate implementation would be to drop items on the forge and then use #forge wielding a hammer. if there aren't 2 or 3 items, tell them to clear their work place; otherwise, consult the list of available recipes
12:46 <krm26> using the material of the item on top
12:46 <krm26> anyway, just thinking out loud
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12:46 * K2 nods
12:46 <krm26> you get my main thrust, which is making some forging recipes exclusive with each other
12:46 <K2> gotta remember though, Loggers_VIII plays. need to know your audience
12:47 <K2> more than 2 things might confuse him
12:47 <krm26> he's only playing for another 3 minutes
12:47 <K2> lol
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12:47 <Loggers_VIII> idk what you’re talking about but I’m sure when I read logs I’ll be offended
12:48 <krm26> it would be to on the nose for logger to read logs, don't do it
12:48 <K2> :P
12:49 <Loggers_VIII> werebane really should be useful for soe
12:49 <Loggers_VIII> *something
12:50 <K2> archeologist has entered chat
12:50 <alivernine> From my limited experience with EvilHack so far, I think one thing I would like is more sources of death magic resistance. Maybe toss Werebane and Giantslayer together for a weapon with death magic res?
12:50 <krm26> too much death magic resistance already! :-)
12:50 <Loggers_VIII> wdym archeologist has entered chat no one plays them :P
12:50 * Umbire coughs
12:50 <krm26> i'll do arch after this healer
12:51 <K2> i'm very reluctant to add more artifacts, its difficult to juggle game balance
12:51 <K2> some days i feel like i added too many as it is
12:51 <K2> i wont remove any dont worry there
12:51 <krm26> yeah, i feel like there are too many but all of them are fun, hence the thought about limiting by gameplay
12:52 <K2> i like fun
12:52 <Loggers_VIII> if you ever think you have too many artifacts just look at the dnethack wiki pages
12:52 <K2> oh i know
12:52 <K2> dnethack/slash'em (and by extension hackem'
12:52 <K2> )
12:52 <K2> splicehack too i think
12:53 <K2> but anyways. terrapin has a PR for an artifact, i might add it
12:53 <krm26> werebane+keolewa
12:54 <Loggers_VIII> I was looking at the todo stuff, is ancient/elder dragons still gonna be a thing?
12:54 <K2> maybe
12:55 <K2> a lot of things there are 'maybe'. i'll have ideas and just jot them down
12:55 <Loggers_VIII> ja I get it
12:57 <K2> last few days its been the wiz tower revamp
12:57 <K2> i am almost done with the bottom level
12:57 <krm26> need help, carving mouldings, running plumbing?
12:58 <K2> tedious work but i want it to be right
12:58 <K2> i wish i could accept help on this, but no thanks :( i have the map ideas in my head, its just a pain to do the actual editing
12:59 <K2> when i do the commit, you all can see it and pick it apart
13:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:54125 (1 day, 4:25:19)
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13:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:54332 (1 day, 4:27:49)
13:02 <k3ut0i> 'spider silk coarse mantelet' can exist?
13:02 <K2> yes
13:02 <K2> very rare
13:03 <Umbire> If it can be made of cloth, then there's a spider silk variant
13:03 <Umbire> usually
13:04 <Umbire> man now I wanna see about a spider-themed orc rogue run or something
13:05 <K2> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#New_materials
13:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 15814 points, T:12356, killed by a stone giant
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13:11 <xdminsy> Why it told me Your Mjollnir seems very unwieldy.
13:11 <xdminsy> And keep missing?
13:11 <K2> see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Twoweaponing
13:11 <K2> sounds like you're twoweaponing with it
13:11 <xdminsy> Oh I see, I think I saw that.
13:12 <xdminsy> But forget soon :(
13:12 <K2> understandable
13:12 <K2> there's quite a few changes vs vanilla nethack
13:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:57188 (7:44:43)
13:12 <xdminsy> Ah so I can let the Fire brand as second weapon.
13:12 <Loggers_VIII> wadderyaduintamefor hermes??
13:13 <K2> hopefully is light enough, if not, train up the 2nd hand with something like a dagger
13:13 <K2> or a larger mithril weapon
13:14 <xdminsy> Ah yes, I'd wanna 2weapon 2 artifacts.
13:14 <xdminsy> Seems both trident and short sword can suit second hand well.
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13:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 29 points, T:266, killed by a little dart
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:54668 (1 day, 4:45:21)
13:21 <xdminsy> My AC is now -34, and I seems don't know how to get more.
13:21 <xdminsy> How to obtain those -50 or -60 AC?
13:21 <xdminsy> I'm not sure if my ac is enough.
13:21 <terrapin> dragonhide armor, dragon-scaled armor, and lots of protection
13:22 <terrapin> -34 is a little low for the endgame but fine for most of gehennom, i think
13:23 <xdminsy> Oh I know that, but where to get dragonhide armors.
13:23 <terrapin> wishes, or high-level npcs if you're lucky
13:23 <Umbire> You usually wish them up depending on your bu-- yeah
13:23 <xdminsy> My previous game have encounter one dragonhide leather hat maybe.
13:24 <xdminsy> https://pasteboard.co/G9KuniJD1ItS.png
13:24 <xdminsy> It's my current armors, what to replace?
13:24 <xdminsy> Oh wishes could help me, I haven't to castle now..
13:25 <terrapin> ring mail doesn't really cut it late-game, mithril or no. mithril splint/plate/banded mail is a better bet
13:26 <xdminsy> I see, I have one spare gray scales, I'd do that if I find one.
13:27 <krm26> dark elven tunic or crystal plate are the way to go
13:27 <xdminsy> How many AC do dark elven tunic provides?
13:27 <xdminsy> I think I encounter some of these.
13:27 <krm26> a lot for 10aum once you dragon scale em!
13:28 <terrapin> a tunic would actually be 1 less than mithril ring mail. the main advantage is their weight (an it's a big advantage), but as a centaur that doesn't matter quite so much
13:29 <xdminsy> I see, now I'm nervous about my AC.
13:31 <alivernine> Also, as an anecdote-- -38 AC was definitely not enough to melee an elder minotaur, as one of my poor tourists found out when a generic baddie polymorphed into one on the Quest.
13:31 <Umbire> anything from the chainmails up to plate can work depending on the material
13:32 <Umbire> hell wooden splint/plate is very workable and light
13:32 <krm26> guaranteed crystal plate mail in vlad's tower
13:33 <xdminsy> It's still there? I heard that Vlad's tower get redesigned.
13:33 <bouquet> Just got back from the Galapagos islands. In keeping with my regular theme of nonsequiters, here's a picture I took of boobies https://i.imgur.com/UWHZQ5J.jpg
13:34 <terrapin> the entrance level did but much of the actual tower remains the same
13:34 <alivernine> You could also forge a crystal plate mail if you want it a bit earlier and are lucky enough to get the ingredients.
13:34 <krm26> i still have a boobie shirt from my trip to the galapagos 20 years ago! it is pretty worn out, daughter wears it now
13:34 <K2> heh
13:34 <bouquet> if I'd known I would have got you one.
13:35 <bouquet> I feel guilty now when I kill Tortles.
13:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3370 (0:30:32)
13:37 <bouquet> last thing on this then back to evilhack... I got a bunch of questions which camera I used. It's a Nikon coolpix P900. Super cheap but ULTRA zoom.  Works amazing in good light.  Not awesome in flat or dim light settings. https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product-archive/compact-digital-cameras/coolpix-p900.html
13:39 <krm26> i have a scar from the galapagos, but not from the galapagos sea lion that bit me :-) just from boring rock
13:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1460 points, T:3065, killed by a mountain dwarf
13:41 <k3ut0i> Man, I'm not catching a single break.
13:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:54966 (1 day, 5:14:25)
13:57 <xdminsy> Could dragon scaled armors be forged into others and keep the scales?
13:58 <terrapin> no, dragon-scaled armors cannot be used to forge
13:58 <Umbire> lurker above plural is "lurkers above", right?
13:58 <xdminsy> Pity..
14:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:4427 (0:55:17)
14:01 <xdminsy> I think so.
14:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Law), 5000 points, T:4509, poisoned by a gray fungus
14:02 <krm26> Umbire: should be
14:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 681 points, T:2127, killed by a master lich
14:04 <xdminsy> Where comes the master lich..
14:05 <k3ut0i> My fault. zapped a gnome with polymorph.
14:07 <mobileuser> backscroll comment: I love werebane when fighting lots of weredemons
14:11 <xdminsy> Does a dragonhide studded armor better than plate mail?
14:11 <xdminsy> Or could a dragonhide armor be dragon scaled then?
14:11 <Umbire> It's comparable and lighter than default plate
14:11 <Umbire> also yes dragonhide armor can be scaled lol
14:12 <xdminsy> Worse than mithril plate mail?
14:12 <xdminsy> Okay I'd try more.
14:12 <Umbire> I think dragonhide studded armor is the same as crystal plate?
14:12 <Umbire> AC-wise?
14:12 <Umbire> idk
14:12 <xdminsy> idk, suddenly I realize I could polypile.
14:12 <terrapin> same as mithril plate
14:12 <terrapin> much harder to find, of course
14:13 <xdminsy> Yes, first dragonhide armor this game.
14:13 <Umbire> Mithril plate is better if you're an elf probably, dunno about weight comparison
14:13 <Umbire> sec
14:13 <xdminsy> So could I use a dragonhide studded armor til the end?
14:14 <terrapin> yeah
14:14 <xdminsy> Ah haven't play elf, mithril provide more AC for elves?
14:14 <Umbire> No, but it does give MC3
14:14 <Umbire> for elves
14:14 <xdminsy> Sounds great.
14:15 <xdminsy> I have now 23 scrolls of taming, I dip blank papers into !oPoly twice..
14:15 <Umbire> mithril plate is lighter than dragonhide studded too but it absolutely wrecks spellcasting in comparison
14:17 <xdminsy> I'd try more, if no better than just this lol.
14:17 <xdminsy> Is there dragonhide plate mail?
14:18 <terrapin> no
14:19 <Umbire> Dragonhide is for cloth and leather stuff only
14:19 <xdminsy> Lol I see.
14:19 <Umbire> soft material vs. hard (usually metallic) stuff
14:20 <Noisytoot> what about bone plate?
14:22 <terrapin> it's light and nonmetallic with good AC by itself, but it blocks dexterity bonuses, so it's not a great option for high-dex races
14:22 <terrapin> mithril and soft materials basically give +3 AC if you have 20 dex
14:26 <Umbire> there is adamantine now though
14:27 <Umbire> same AC as gemstone, both 1 below dragonhide
14:27 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Object_materials
14:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2085 (0:27:59)
14:39 <krm26> haha, almost pulled my #4 typical screwup and pulled rodney without doing vlad
14:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 4060 points, T:3291, killed by an Angel of Mitra
14:46 <k3ut0i> I didn't think he would send a full blown angel. May be couatl :(
14:48 <Umbire> Yeah you don't wanna chance it with early conversions unless you have a blowout at the ready
14:49 <Umbire> having to out-dance an Aleax on DL 4 is very not fun, speaking mostly from experience
14:49 <Umbire> (I can't remember which floor precisely)
14:50 <xdminsy> What's the tshirt wish phrase?
14:50 <krm26> blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay
14:50 <krm26> (for drain resistance)
14:50 <xdminsy> Thx krm26.
14:50 <krm26> or of esp if you like
14:51 <krm26> you can do +1 or +2 if you arent as gutsy :-)
14:51 <xdminsy> decay means drain resistance yes?
14:51 <krm26> yes, just shorter
14:51 <xdminsy> Okay I often only do +2 in vanilla.
14:51 <k3ut0i> Umbire: does it depend on DL? I was on 2.
14:52 <xdminsy> And, is there any other armors worth wish?
14:52 <Umbire> Oh not remotely
14:52 <Umbire> xdminsy, various ones, yeah
14:52 <krm26> depending on what you are missing xdimsy
14:52 <krm26> dragonhide helm of speed or oilskin cloth elven home are popular for the head
14:52 <Umbire> +2 has the best odds to actually get, +3 is right at the threshold for enchanting safely 
14:52 <xdminsy> I see that the dumpfiles don't show the wishes, I remember in 3.7 it reports which items have I wished.
14:52 <Umbire> s/home/helm
14:52 <Umbire> there IS a wish tracker
14:52 <Umbire> that's a separate thing, though
14:53 <xdminsy> krm26 Well I don't know excatly what I'm missing lol.
14:53 <Umbire> Evil does also report wishes if you mean livelogging
14:53 <krm26> you on us server? i'll take a look
14:53 <xdminsy> I'm local.
14:53 <krm26> noooooo
14:53 <krm26> why would you do that! think of the bonesssss
14:54 <xdminsy> Hha cuz I ping hardfought there's sometimes 50ms timeout or sometimes 200ms.
14:54 <krm26> 50ms is human-imperceptible; 200ms might get a little bursty sometimes
14:55 <krm26> average human reaction time is roughly 250ms
14:56 <xdminsy> Yes, I can feel the lag increased apparently if I play online.
14:56 <xdminsy> I have played one game of xnethack in hardfought, and stoned by medusa lol.
14:56 <K2> man i remember when hdf-us was hosted on bare metal in my basement
14:56 <K2> lag < 1ms
14:56 <krm26> lag for one :-)
14:57 <K2> server was literally 12-15 ft away from my desk
14:57 <k3ut0i> My lag is around 250ms, its alright.
14:57 <K2> k3ut0i where are you?
14:57 <k3ut0i> India
14:57 <krm26> you play on au?
14:57 <k3ut0i> AU gives around 150ms
14:57 <K2> oh no kidding. that's awesome
14:57 <K2> several months ago someone on reddit was asking about nethack servers in India
14:57 <xdminsy> Maybe cuz I'm familiar with the speed playing locally.
14:58 <K2> i asked if they knew how popular network was there, they never replied
14:58 <K2> *nethack
14:58 <K2> hah network
14:58 <krm26> but locally you don't get all the loggers bones
14:58 <K2> are there any nethack servers in india that you know of k3ut0i?
14:58 <xdminsy> Loggers bones lol :)
14:59 <k3ut0i> No. I don't know anyone who actually plays.
14:59 <xdminsy> There's no nethack servers in china too lol.
14:59 <K2> i thought there was at least one in china
14:59 <xdminsy> Some of my friends play nethack but only the android port.
14:59 <xdminsy> I saw one, but maybe it got closed?
14:59 <K2> are you in china xdminsy?
14:59 <xdminsy> Yes I'm.
14:59 <K2> nice
15:00 <K2> this is one of the many reasons I love this game and the community. people from everywhere play
15:00 <krm26> need a singapore coloc
15:00 <xdminsy> My friends they treats nethack as a mobile game lol.
15:00 <K2> hah
15:00 <Umbire> Gurrhack is a pretty decent gateway tbh
15:00 <xdminsy> Maybe just like pathos or some others I don't know exactly name.
15:00 <K2> i tried playing nethack on my cellphone once. never again
15:01 <Umbire> t. first ascension on android port
15:01 <krm26> i dont understand how anyone could play on a phone
15:01 <K2> me neither
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15:01 <K2> my monkey paws would fat finger every other command
15:01 <K2> hell i have a hard enough time on a regular keyboard
15:01 <xdminsy> Lol, and it's very small screen, I think maybe playing on ipad could be better.
15:02 <K2> marginally
15:02 <krm26> i'm spoiled now with huge curses permainv display
15:02 <xdminsy> oh krm26 https://imgur.com/a/3rYzyDe this is my armors now.
15:02 <xdminsy> I'm not sure what to do, I think there's a lot new things in gehennom.
15:03 <K2> need boots
15:03 <xdminsy> My first time in vanilla do like this too, farmed a lot before gehennom.
15:03 <K2> dragonhide water walking boots would be good
15:03 <krm26> ok, could replace your helm with dragonhide helm of speed; your cloak with dragonhide cloak, your shirt with dragonhide shirt of decay
15:03 <xdminsy> Ah, I see centaurs cannot wear boots.
15:03 <K2> oh right you're a centaur
15:03 <K2> my bad
15:03 <krm26> if you are optimizing with extra wishes
15:04 <krm26> but none of that is necessary
15:04 <xdminsy> Ah yes, I don't reach castle now, so there should be one wand of wishing waiting for me.
15:04 <k3ut0i> I don't exactly remember how I got into nethack. None of my college friends played it. I think I was searching for a games in linux and my graphics drivers were shit. 
15:04 <xdminsy> I may save one wish for SoA I think, I an 17 and did three gifts now, but all plain weapons..
15:04 <K2> k3ut0i do you mind if I ask what the closest large city in india is to you?
15:05 <k3ut0i> Hyderabad
15:05 <K2> heh
15:05 <K2> 'AWS Launches Second Region in India
15:05 <K2> The new AWS Asia Pacific (Hyderabad) Region is now open! The Hyderabad Region consists of three Availability Zones and is our second region in India, joining the AWS Asia Pacific (Mumbai) Region, giving customers more choice and flexibility to leverage advanced technologies from the world’s leading cloud provider.'
15:05 <xdminsy> Maybe cuz nethack is cool.
15:06 <Loggers_VIII> nethack IS cool, I must admit
15:07 <xdminsy> Oh I remember black dragon have passive disintergration?
15:07 <krm26> yup
15:07 <Loggers_VIII> yes genocide them
15:07 <krm26> or just avoid them, or use wands
15:07 <xdminsy> Emmm, cann't I just wield SoA to kill them?
15:07 <alivernine> I happen to be working for AWS. Things are on fire rn.
15:07 <krm26> yup soa will work fine
15:07 <k3ut0i> Chuck a  lot of poison darts at them.
15:07 <krm26> or bludgeoning them with dragonbane
15:08 <K2> alivernine really? hah sweet
15:08 <K2> all of the hardfought servers and NAO are hosted by AWS
15:08 <alivernine> By "fire", I mean that I'm currently putting out fires.
15:08 <K2> hdf-in in hyderabad, k3ut0i gets 10ms ping
15:08 <K2> alivernine oh :(
15:09 <K2> whats going on?
15:10 <alivernine> I can't go into too much detail but it's basically a "surprise bug right before a deadline".
15:10 <K2> understood
15:11 <K2> k3ut0i if you get about 150ms to hdf-au you should start your next game there. easy to copy your cfg over too
15:12 <K2> 100ms difference would be noticable
15:13 <Loggers_VIII> @e?nazgul
15:13 <Hecubus> Nazgul (W) | Lvl: 17 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 35 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 1d10 weapon level drain, 2d25 breath sleep, 4d4 scream loud | Align: -17 | breathless, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker
15:13 <Loggers_VIII> does the nazgul's sleep breath do anything if you're 100% sleep resistant?
15:13 <xdminsy> What means scream loud?
15:14 <krm26> no loggers
15:14 <Loggers_VIII> if you enter line of sight they scream at you which deals damage and stuns you
15:14 <K2> ^ if not deaf
15:14 <k3ut0i> K2: It is noticable. I just got used to it. Almost a decade ago I was in Mumbai and NAO severs had around the same lag.
15:14 <Loggers_VIII> think it also shatters glass items in inv?
15:15 <K2> yeah
15:15 <K2> NAO and hdf-us are in the same location 
15:16 <krm26> stupid vlad without any way to bring a non-flying pet with you!
15:16 <krm26> what is the pet timeout i need to race to not lose my elder minotaur?
15:16 <xdminsy> K2 do they all hosted by you?
15:17 <K2> xdminsy hdf-eu and hdf-us I host, tangles hosts hdf-au
15:17 <Loggers_VIII> krm26 you can probably levelport when on the first level
15:17 <Loggers_VIII> with it next to you
15:17 <K2> *Tangles
15:17 <krm26> that's a good idea loggers
15:17 <K2> the both of us administer all 3 servers
15:17 <krm26> except -- both the normal dungeon and the tower are up from here
15:17 <Loggers_VIII> can it not wear an amulet of flying?
15:17 <krm26> stupid elder minotaur wont use anything
15:18 <xdminsy> Hah you do good job.
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15:18 <K2> thanks :)
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15:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 159 points, T:696, killed by a coyote
15:20 <xdminsy> Is there any reason for me now to go fort ludios?
15:20 <Loggers_VIII> cash money
15:20 <xdminsy> I could wander more time before castle lol.
15:20 <xdminsy> And cuz there's light pickaxe, I'm carrying one mithril pickaxe.
15:20 <Loggers_VIII> also to sit on his throne
15:21 <xdminsy> Lol good idea, let me see if I can find.
15:21 <alivernine> Buy a bajillion points of protection from a priest with all that money.
15:21 <Loggers_VIII> in evilhack the portal is always in the first vault below level 10 I think
15:21 <Umbire> Provided nothing else is on the level to prevent it, yeah
15:21 <krm26> xdminsy, chance of crystal plate there too, and dragon scales if you need them
15:22 <Umbire> Yeah Ludios at worst has tons of gold and backup armor for forge fodder and the like
15:22 <Umbire> armor and weapons*
15:22 <Loggers_VIII> plus! there is a variant with like 8 fountains for you to quaff from
15:22 <xdminsy> Okay, i could travel to that.
15:22 <krm26> so when the entry vlad level is 41 and you teleport to 40, do you go to 40 vlad or 40 gehennom? guess i'll find out
15:22 <xdminsy> I only loot that fort twice or thrice in vanilla.
15:22 <Loggers_VIII> I like ludios it's a fun optional detour
15:23 <Loggers_VIII> vanilla needs more stuff like that
15:23 <krm26> dammit loggers, no level port in vlad with vlad alive
15:23 <Loggers_VIII> ??? that's dumb
15:23 <Loggers_VIII> @e?elder minotaru
15:23 <Hecubus> elder minotaru ~2~ elder minotaur (H) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 14 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -8 | Atk: 6d6 claw physical, 6d6 claw physical, 6d4 hug physical, 8d4 butt knockback | Align: -4 | genocidable, carnivore, thick hide, stalker, infravis
15:24 <Loggers_VIII> only MR 25 so if worst comes to worst just tame it again
15:24 <krm26> boo to that!
15:24 <Loggers_VIII> boo yourself
15:24 <krm26> boo boo!
15:24 <Loggers_VIII> hah
15:25 <K2> vlad being alive or dead has no bearing on levelporting
15:25 <xdminsy> Non-spell casters need no magical cloaks right?
15:25 <K2> that's just with demon bosses
15:26 <K2> xdminsy you can wear whatever cloak/robe that you want
15:26 <krm26> weird, thought i'd ported from vlad before
15:27 <Loggers_VIII> local nethack player goes senile (heartbreaking)
15:27 <xdminsy> Okay.
15:28 <xdminsy> Lol, I'd like to play online.
15:28 <Loggers_VIII> you can do it
15:28 <Loggers_VIII> I deal with like 3 second input delay regularly I still manage :p
15:28 <Loggers_VIII> and you get to get all of my bones
15:29 <xdminsy> Lol that's weird to get used to.
15:29 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
15:30 <Loggers_VIII> I never played locally in the first place so idk how hard it is
15:30 <Loggers_VIII> to switch
15:30 <xdminsy> I think that's quite more smooth in action, if online playing is too laggy.
15:31 <xdminsy> I find fort ludios on dlvl 14 now.
15:31 <Loggers_VIII> I feel like in theory I shouldn't get lag since I am in us but I just have shit connection
15:31 <Loggers_VIII> nice
15:32 <xdminsy> @e?spectre
15:32 <Hecubus> spectre ( ) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 9 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -8 | Atk: 1d10 weapon physical | Align: -5 | flies, phases, breathless, unsolid, nopoly, stalker, passes-bars, vegan
15:32 <k3ut0i> If I play locally now, it feels bizzare like I'm going down a steep path uncontrollably ....
15:32 <Loggers_VIII> hahaha
15:32 <Loggers_VIII> too fast for your own good, huh?
15:34 <xdminsy> Ah that time when I play my only xnh and the only online game.
15:34 <xdminsy> I thought that i could think more due to the lag.
15:34 <xdminsy> Then I just thought I have no reflection, I'd kill medusa, but immediately after digged down I forgot all Medusa.
15:35 <Loggers_VIII> happens to the best of us
15:35 <xdminsy> I clearred castle and went upstairs, booom black screen :(
15:35 <Loggers_VIII> I hate those black screen surprises
15:36 <xdminsy> Ah yes, when I play online, sometimes black screen will appear when lagging.
15:36 <xdminsy> I don't know sometimes if I'm dying.
15:36 <Loggers_VIII> yeah that is spooky
15:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57349 (1 day, 7:01:39)
15:36 <Loggers_VIII> sometimes if the messages are taking so long I wonder if I just didn't press the commands hard enough
15:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:57364 (1 day, 7:02:01)
15:37 <xdminsy> Ah yes, those won't happen in local, it just run so smooth and fast lol.
15:37 <Loggers_VIII> maybe I could try speedruns on local
15:38 <xdminsy> Oh you could probably do that if you network is laggy too.
15:38 <Loggers_VIII> yea
15:39 <Loggers_VIII> ugh I should really do something with this tortle healer
15:39 <Loggers_VIII> overall I love the pacing of evilhack but the midgame can reach a weird stagnation sometimes
15:39 <xdminsy> Emmm, just farm?
15:40 <Loggers_VIII> yep :)
15:40 <Loggers_VIII> I am the one who farms
15:40 <Loggers_VIII> I want SoA and Ashmar for my archon
15:40 <krm26> did it! speed run vlad before losing my pet
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> \o/
15:41 <K2> if you look up the definition of the name 'Loggers' it comes back with 'one who farms'
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> hahahaha
15:41 <K2> :P
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> was thinking the other day of becoming a potato farmer
15:41 <alivernine> Whenever I read a blessed scroll of enchant armor on a +3 piece it just likes going to +4 instead of +5.
15:41 <xdminsy> Ah yes, some of my friends farm too.
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> maybe it is my destiny
15:41 <Loggers_VIII> alivernine just bad luck
15:42 <alivernine> The only armor piece of mine that is +5 is my dragonhide CoMR. Which means I could get even lower than -70AC if I wanted to.
15:42 <xdminsy> It happens oftenly, in vanilla I typically don't care.
15:42 <xdminsy> I don't know what's the safe line in Evilhack.
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> I feel good at around -45
15:42 <krm26> i wouldn't worry even at just -50
15:42 <krm26> yeah
15:42 <xdminsy> Okay, I think I'm approaching that.
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> HP is more important than vanilla too. in vanilla with good AC, MR and reflection you're invincible practically
15:43 <k3ut0i> When I forged +6 SoA with +0 Ashmar I got +0 AoR why?
15:43 <xdminsy> Oh yes, my vanilla games all have less than 200 hp.
15:43 <krm26> because it is armor and uses the armor enchantment
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> because if you forge two objects of one type together into an object of another type the enchantment doesn't carry over
15:43 <alivernine> Acid resistance is really important too. In vanilla it was a "nice to have" but in evil, it's critical because of acid blast.
15:44 <Loggers_VIII> kathryn especially will fuck you up if you don't have acid blast
15:44 <Loggers_VIII> *acid res
15:44 <xdminsy> How to gain those much hp, I farmed some time but have little potion of full healing :(
15:44 <Loggers_VIII> nurse dance
15:44 <xdminsy> Maybe need later to farm in gehennom for potions?
15:44 <krm26> polypile for alchemy
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> nurse dance twice so you hit diminishing returns, that's usually enough for me
15:45 <xdminsy> maybe 500?
15:45 <krm26> overkill
15:45 <alivernine> ^ I found lots of poly wands so polypiling brought me a lot further than nurse dancing. It's also easier not to accidentally kill yourself.
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> 500 is not realistically attainable for me I think lol
15:45 <krm26> 300 is plenty
15:45 <krm26> but i'm at 436 this game without trying using just two wands of polymorph
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> polypiling is okay but I lose out on potions to turn into stacks of 60 holy water
15:46 <krm26> which you need for...?
15:46 <Loggers_VIII> can you polypile holy water into magical potions?
15:46 <krm26> yup
15:46 <Loggers_VIII> krm26 I just like seeing them in my inventory
15:46 <krm26> any potion can poly into any other potion
15:46 <krm26> except for polymorph
15:47 <krm26> poly and reserve healing, speed, extra healing, energy, and full healing. healing+speed, dilute extra+energy, quaff blessed extra, blessed full, and save blessed dilute full for ascension run
15:47 <k3ut0i> Is there any way to get around iron bars in goblin town? I want to get to the chest that has hammer. No force bolt.
15:48 <krm26> acid or force bolt/striking
15:48 <krm26> or self-poly :-)
15:48 <Loggers_VIII> can zap tele through the bars at the chest
15:48 <krm26> true -- although every charge on an early teleport wand is a get-out-of-jail-free card
15:48 <xdminsy> It can be striked?
15:48 <krm26> yup
15:48 <Loggers_VIII> oh, can hit it with dirge also
15:49 <xdminsy> This game I don't see the trap door.
15:49 <krm26> probably in one of the cages
15:49 <xdminsy> I thought it was behind ironbars maybe.
15:49 <xdminsy> The giant serggeants in fort ludios is annoying..
15:50 <xdminsy> They leave boulders at door..
15:50 <Loggers_VIII> don't get knocked into the water by one
15:50 <Loggers_VIII> frustrating way to die :)
15:50 <bouquet> File a complaint with the ludios security office.
15:51 <xdminsy> I did get knocked back into water wall in vanilla.
15:51 <xdminsy> This game they all came the portal.
15:51 <xdminsy> I can't get out until kill'em all tho.
15:52 <Umbire> There's only water walls in Gehennom
15:52 <Umbire> and quite a few things down there can swat you into them
15:52 <Umbire> demon lords included
15:52 <Loggers_VIII> what is water wall?
15:53 <Umbire> it's exactly what it sounds like
15:53 <Loggers_VIII> ah
15:54 <xdminsy> Ah yes, in vanilla I just be pushed into a water wall by a black dragon maybe.
15:54 <xdminsy> Cuz I'm always flying in 3.7.
15:54 <xdminsy> The other waters are safe.
15:54 <Loggers_VIII> wonder if vanilla will add any new branches at some point
15:54 <Loggers_VIII> they're adding a lot of new stuff in 3.7
15:54 <xdminsy> Holy I'm slowing down.
15:55 <xdminsy> Thx evilhack that it is not instadeath..
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 693 points, T:1239, killed by a magic missile
15:55 <xdminsy> I just kill a c and maybe somebody wield it to attack me .
15:55 <krm26> time for crunchy lizards
15:55 <krm26> yeah you cannot leave *trice corpses around
15:56 <xdminsy> I don't look messages :(
15:56 <Umbire> Especially not in Ludios
15:56 <krm26> you can add stop messages for monsters picking up *trice corpses
15:57 <xdminsy> Ah yes I did have, but I forget that lol.
15:57 <xdminsy> And I see, it's a basilisk.
15:57 <xdminsy> Well but it's still c glyph, I shall take care.
15:58 <Loggers_VIII> I always thought basilisk would have stoning gaze but they don't for some reason
15:58 <xdminsy> I need to add some more lines in my config files.
15:58 <Loggers_VIII> they are just faster cockatrice basically
15:58 <Umbire> yeah basilisks are right bastards
15:59 <Umbire> Evil ones anyway
15:59 <Loggers_VIII> @e?basilisk
15:59 <Hecubus> basilisk (c) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 70 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -10 | Atk: 2d4 bite physical, 1d6 touch petrification, 1d6 touch petrification, 2d8 claw physical, 0d0 passive petrification | Align: -5 | genocidable, omnivore, thick hide, touch petrifies, infravis
15:59 <Loggers_VIII> would be cool if they had stoning gaze, though
16:00 <Umbire> @l?basilisk
16:00 <Hecubus> basilisk (:) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 9 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 4d2 bite petrification, 0d0 passive petrification | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, thick hide, oviparous, touch petrifies
16:00 <Umbire> ^for reference
16:00 <Umbire> Hack'EM uses the Evil ones I think?
16:00 <Loggers_VIII> what's hackem's pinobot thing
16:00 <Loggers_VIII> @h?one-eyed same
16:00 <xdminsy> Wow they have passive stoning?
16:00 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
16:00 <xdminsy> I don't feel that when I kill it.
16:01 <Loggers_VIII> your MC protected you
16:01 <Loggers_VIII> it's subject to MC like most passives I think
16:01 <Loggers_VIII> or maybe has something to do with liz corpse, idk
16:02 <Umbire> Hack'EM doesn't have pino entries yet, I think
16:02 <Loggers_VIII> ah
16:02 <Loggers_VIII> well lemme check with monlookup then
16:03 <xdminsy> Oh and hey, now I'm -39 AC with 168 HP and acid resistance.
16:04 <xdminsy> Can I clear ice queen's realm just melee?
16:04 <Loggers_VIII> I wouldn't
16:04 <Loggers_VIII> get more HP
16:04 <Loggers_VIII> AC is fine
16:05 <xdminsy> I think the dragonbane is so awesome that provide reflection and acid resistance.
16:05 <bouquet> xdminsy: my approach is 4 or 5 blessed ?oFire and a fire wand.
16:05 <xdminsy> I could find an amulet of flying later.
16:05 <Loggers_VIII> yeah dragonbane is super good
16:06 <xdminsy> I have 2 wand of fire.
16:06 <bouquet> only drawback to dragonbane is you can't tame dragons. Get 20 dragon pets around you and you have an engulfing army
16:06 <xdminsy> ?oFire for other monsters?
16:06 <bouquet> wand can miss. ?oFire is area effect so it'll hit her for sure.
16:06 <krm26> just for kathryn
16:07 <xdminsy> Okay, I have never used this scroll.
16:07 <krm26> 4/5 blessed ?fire (targeted multiple aoe) and you'll just have light cleanup on her
16:07 <bouquet> it finally has a use! Make it blessed for best outcome
16:08 <xdminsy> Until now I know that it could be used this way in vanilla.
16:08 <xdminsy> I thought it was polyfodders.
16:08 <xdminsy> Well but I have only one now.
16:11 <xdminsy> Is there higher chance that one may wear out a wand?
16:12 <Loggers_VIII> yes
16:12 <Loggers_VIII> if you zap it when it has no charges it'll always turn to dust
16:12 <Loggers_VIII> the chance you get a zap out of it is beatitude-based
16:14 <xdminsy> I see.
16:15 <xdminsy> My pair of goggles isn't working.
16:15 <xdminsy> I wear it, and the eels are still glyphed 1.
16:16 <Loggers_VIII> I think ludios is dark, so you can still only see one space to the side
16:16 <Loggers_VIII> you can zap light or something underwater and that'll allow you to see though
16:17 <xdminsy> Oh so the lamp won't light underwater, first know this.
16:18 <Loggers_VIII> a magic lamp will, but an oil lamp won't
16:19 <xdminsy> Is this same in vanilla?
16:19 <Loggers_VIII> no
16:19 <xdminsy> Okay thx.
16:19 <alivernine> As a corollary, the changes to wand wresting mean that it's a lot more prudent to identify the charges before you zap it. Especially a wand of wishing.
16:19 <Loggers_VIII> I think k2 also wants to add a diving lamp but that'll likely be quite a while from now when he adds the underwater branch
16:20 <xdminsy> Ah yes, I will identify valuable wands first in vanilla too.
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16:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) genocided green slimes, on T:57826 (1 day, 7:48:44)
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16:26 <xdminsy> Wow I got a dragonhide hawaiian shirt by polypiling.
16:26 <xdminsy> I think maybe I don't need to wish a decay one.
16:27 <bouquet> you'll want decay resist when facing vlad and kas.
16:27 <Noisytoot> Isn't the passive stoning only if you attack it without a weapon?
16:27 <Noisytoot> @?cockatrice
16:27 <Hecubus> cockatrice (c) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Atk: 1d3 bite physical, 0d0 touch petrification, 0d0 passive petrification | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, oviparous, touch petrifies, infravis
16:27 <Noisytoot> like that
16:28 <krm26> you can kill kas at range and boulder-fort vlad if you have no access to drain resistance
16:28 <krm26> can those swords ever reduce maxhp even when you are drain resistant?
16:29 <xdminsy> Oh maybe yes, I may need drain resistance.
16:29 <xdminsy> Or maybe later I could crown and obtain vorpal blade.
16:29 <krm26> vorpal blade does not provide drain resistance
16:29 <krm26> excalibur does
16:30 <xdminsy> Holy I forgot that lol, neutral one it's the Staff.
16:30 <krm26> too bad /? doesn't give any useful information for artifacts
16:30 <krm26> staff of aesculapius
16:31 <krm26> but that is a waste of an artifact wish
16:31 <xdminsy> Will they still drain much levels even when I have Mc3?
16:31 <krm26> oh yeah
16:31 <krm26> but i just boulder-forted vlad and killed him with like 15 +7 silver shuriken, there are plenty of non-drain-res approaches you can take
16:31 <bouquet> I died to kas when he drained me to lvl 0.
16:32 <xdminsy> I don't know who is kas lol.
16:32 <krm26> and i've killed kas a number of times with a +7 silver aklys without ever letting him swing on me
16:32 <krm26> first level of gehennom, stairs to 3 level vecna lair, kas is boss on 2nd level
16:32 <bouquet> Kas is the level before Vecna.
16:32 <krm26> can't genocide liches/alhoons without killing vecna
16:33 <xdminsy> I see, maybe I need drain resistance.
16:33 <bouquet> that time I died to Kas was to see if I could do it without drain res. Didn't work :(
16:33 <xdminsy> Or could I just later wish a dragonhide cloak of decay?
16:33 <krm26> you could but it will be a normal cloak, usually you want mr or protection or oilskin etc
16:34 <xdminsy> I don't know if MC3 is important in evilhack.
16:34 <xdminsy> In 3.7 I never use cloak of protection.
16:34 <bouquet> less important than vanilla IMO
16:34 <krm26> more generally useful than drain resistance tho
16:34 <krm26> kas, vlad are exceptions there
16:35 <krm26> makes me sad that oilskin cloak can't be made of dragonhide :-P  even with all of nethack's advances in materials science
16:35 <bouquet> yendorian science disciplines are underfunded!
16:35 <xdminsy> The oilskin is important in evilhack right?
16:35 <Umbire> It's great to have but not AS essential depending on how you spec your properties/resistances
16:35 <xdminsy> Is there more dangerous sea monsters, or just the origin ones are more thougher.
16:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed platinum yendorian express card", on T:57850 (1 day, 8:00:59)
16:36 <bouquet> xdminsy: oilskin cloth elven helm is essential if you don't plan to geno brainsuckers, especially alhoon.
16:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed the invisible Twoflower, on T:57851 (1 day, 8:01:09)
16:36 <bouquet> regular grasp-and-drown as vanilla. I think an anaconda and another big S can drown under the right circumstances.
16:36 <xdminsy> Oh, I'm wearing a helm of speed now.
16:37 <xdminsy> Seems need to genocid a lot..
16:37 <bouquet> one thing I do more in evilhack than vanilla is switch out armor pieces based on circumstances.
16:37 <krm26> you don't really need to genocide anything
16:37 <krm26> just convenience mostly, i.e. i just got rid of slimes so i don't have to pack a wand of fire
16:37 <bouquet> tru
16:38 <xdminsy> I played only 3.7 before.
16:38 <xdminsy> Never encounter some brainsuckers lol.
16:38 <bouquet> I mostly only geno gel cubes if I get an early throne geno because I likely don't have free action or magical breathing yet
16:38 <bouquet> brainsuckers are ilithid (mind flayers)
16:38 <krm26> yes, gel cubes are an excellent early throne genocide
16:39 <xdminsy> Ah yes, in 3.7 those won't cuz amnesia.
16:39 <xdminsy> cause.
16:39 <krm26> alright, i'm gonna gamble this ascension and use pyec as my only source of mr since i'm wearing purity...gonna bite me in the ass i'm sure
16:40 <xdminsy> Good luck.
16:40 <krm26> rodney suckered me by not stealing my quest artifacts at all the last two ascensions
16:40 <alivernine> Inb4 you get polymorphed into a giant mosquito because Rodney took the card.
16:41 <krm26> you are now an antimatter vortex! you disintegrate all your equipment!
16:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide robe", on T:57860 (1 day, 8:07:27)
16:42 <xdminsy> Rodney cast double trouble, but something goes wrong, you are now Wizard of Yendor too.
16:43 <bouquet> krm26: I tried exactly that one run a while ago and got touch-o-deathed after he stole my PYEC
16:44 <krm26> purity saves you from touch of death
16:44 <krm26> so he'll get me with a wand of polymorph like alivernine predicted :-)
16:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4033 (0:36:12)
16:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4207 (0:37:59)
16:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide helm of speed", on T:57876 (1 day, 8:20:45)
17:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:6334 (0:49:38)
17:01 <xdminsy> Wth a nurse that shriek I hate this job.
17:01 <xdminsy> And don't heal me just attack me .
17:01 <xdminsy> Dark nurse..
17:02 <xdminsy> Oh I see it get cancelled, I don't know why this happen.
17:03 <Umbire> Zapped cancellation
17:04 <Umbire> Or hitting something with gray dragon scales
17:04 <xdminsy> Thx I get it, I was wearing gray-scaled armors.
17:07 <bouquet> I love the passive properties of dsm. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Black scaled armor is amazing at passively killing enemies.
17:10 <krm26> it can bite you tho
17:10 <krm26> i've had a bones spectre poof frost brand on my black dsm
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17:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1758 (0:10:23)
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17:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became Crom's Envoy of Balance, on T:13832 (1:25:29)
17:36 <k3ut0i> Crom is somehow refusing to give me Cleaver :(
17:41 <Umbire> lmao RIP
17:41 <Umbire> too low level, possibly
17:41 <Umbire> Artifact gifts in Evil are more likely with higher XL
17:42 <xdminsy> Can the altar in ice queen's realm be convreted for farming?
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17:43 <Umbire> Yeah, you'll have to murder the priest though
17:43 <Umbire> Or just get a pet or conflicted engulfer to do it or something, lot of options before straight up murder
17:43 <Loggers_VIII> if an artifact is your guaranteed first gift you’ll always get it from saccing before anything else as long as you’re level 3
17:44 <xdminsy> Ah yes, I think I should prepare some tins of eyes.
17:44 <Umbire> Genuinely, just go with the pet option if you have one, lot of decently strong ones that can waste a priest
17:44 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, if you get the roll for an artifact gift that is
17:44 <xdminsy> Well you remind me, I have 20 scrolls of taming and some magic whistle tho.
17:45 <Umbire> Yahuh
17:45 <xdminsy> I haven't kill kathryn now, is the strategy to always ranged at her.
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17:46 <xdminsy> Or melee her and then ranged her when she becomes more powerful?
17:46 <xdminsy> Oh let me see the strategy in wiki first.
17:49 <Umbire> Depends on your build
17:49 <Umbire> Several scrolls of fire at range is among the safest
17:50 <terrapin> poisoned projectiles also tend to be quite successful
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17:51 <Loggers_VIII> umbire the roll for artigift vs mundane doesn’t apply for guaranteed first gifts such as mojo or cleaver
17:51 <Umbire> No I mean the roll to even get a gift
17:51 <Umbire> of any kind
17:51 <terrapin> but, if you have good melee weapons (especially fire ones), it may be better to use those to take her out quickly
17:51 <Loggers_VIII> Ah I see
17:51 <Umbire> and you can absolutely fumble a series of those enough to get crowned when you pray
17:51 <Noisytoot> If by "when she becomes more powerful" you mean when she becomes Kathryn the Enchantress, the correct answer is not to fight her at all.
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17:52 <xdminsy> I see, she's peaceful then lol.
17:52 <Noisytoot> The only way to kill her permanently would be to slime her.
17:52 <Umbire> Yeah all you have to do is beat her as the Ice Queen, then that's it, she's purified and peaceful
17:52 <Noisytoot> but there is no reason to do that and it's hard to do
17:52 <xdminsy> Oh I saw that kathryn daughter of K2.
17:52 <Loggers_VIII> don’t try to fight her when she turns into enchantress she’s unkillable
17:52 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
17:53 <xdminsy> Yes I got it.
17:53 <alivernine> I #chatted to Kathyrn after I defeated her and she went "Ozzy, I can't throw the stick if you won't drop it!"
17:54 <Noisytoot> Could you accidentally anger kathryn the enchantress by killing the ice queen with multishot projectiles?
17:54 <terrapin> no
17:54 <terrapin> but stinking cloud will likely piss her off
17:55 <Loggers_VIII> I once made her angry by killing the priest when she was in los
17:55 <Umbire> Murder's murder
17:55 <xdminsy> Oh I saw woolly mamoth here, so I can just tame it and let it kill the priest?
17:55 <Umbire> Mammoths are a good candidate, yeah
17:55 <Umbire> as are mastodons
17:56 <Umbire> Both are herbivores, so kick some trees on the way up if you wanna keep them fed
17:56 <xdminsy> I hardly carry pets in vanilla, but seems the pets in evilhack can be more powerful.
17:56 <Umbire> Loggers_VIII, I imagine finagling an exception for specifically murdering the priest of Moloch with Kathryn/her dogs as a witness would be more trouble than it's worth
17:56 <Umbire> lmao there's plenty of powerful pets in vanilla
17:57 <Umbire> They're arguably not "necessary" but a good pet helps more than hurts
17:57 <Umbire> that said pets in EvilHack are capable of a lot more even before getting into new monsters
17:57 <Noisytoot> pets in evilhack are still more powerful because they can use monster spells
17:57 <xdminsy> Ah yes, in vanilla seems I usually don't need one.
17:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 2740 points, T:3052, killed by a piranha
17:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 24575 points, T:14446, zombified by a kobold zombie
17:58 <xdminsy> I'd try, cuz I farmed a lot I got a lot magic whistle then I thought :(
17:58 <k3ut0i> I hate zombies
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17:58 <xdminsy> Oh right, how to deal with zombies in early game..
17:59 <xdminsy> I see the zombie can instakill my pets.
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17:59 <terrapin> if your pets aren't poison-resistant then zombies are one of the lesser instakill worries
18:00 <xdminsy> The confused scroll of taming is much more powerful than I thought..
18:00 <terrapin> as for their bite attack, that won't instakill things
18:00 <xdminsy> It just tame almost everything in a zoo.
18:01 <xdminsy> I see, maybe i'm not that lucky.
18:01 <K2> <alivernine> I #chatted to Kathyrn after I defeated her and she went "Ozzy, I can't throw the stick if you won't drop it!" <--- this is an actual quote
18:02 <K2> ozzy likes to make you chase him for the stick he wants you to throw for him
18:02 <K2> heh
18:04 <K2> for the newer players here, this is bourbon and ozzy (ozzy is the bigger one) https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2606/source
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18:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1594 (0:08:23)
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18:14 <xdminsy> Ah cute dogs.
18:15 <xdminsy> Laying like this reminds me of yinyang lol.
18:16 <xdminsy> I find that there're two iron bars, but my potion of acid is at level 2 maybe.
18:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1893 points, T:2276, killed by an arrow
18:16 <xdminsy> And I can't open the crystal chest..
18:16 <xdminsy> I don't know why I have no wand of opening till now, maybe I could polypile one.
18:16 <alivernine> Do you have the bell of opening?
18:16 <alivernine> Wait, would that work for crystal chests?
18:16 <K2> knock spell will work as well
18:16 <K2> and blessed bell of opening would also work
18:17 <xdminsy> Oh you got me, bell of opening could do this.
18:17 <xdminsy> Thx, I'd try later.
18:18 <xdminsy> Go bed now, night o/
18:18 <K2> gnite o/
18:18 <terrapin> 'night
18:18 <alivernine> Goodnight.
18:19 <Umbire> night
18:20 <Umbire> alivernine, crystal chests can only be (un)locked with magic
18:20 <Umbire> The Bell is magic
18:20 <Umbire> (and of course so are the MKoT and PYEC)
18:31 <K2> by god i will finish this level tonight
18:43 <Umbire> Best of luck
18:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2223 (0:30:33)
19:11 <qt> K2: I just noticed you added a delay to leaving your shell as well as entering it -- that's interesting
19:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 5026 points, T:4530, killed by a death ray
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19:14 <krm26> zzzzzzap
19:17 <qt> that's cool, I just tried it for fun and when I tried to enshell next to a gnome king while wearing helmet/gauntlets, he killed me before I could finish
19:17 <qt> and indeed in the logfile: "killed by a gnome king, while retreating into a tortle shell"
19:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:58663 (1 day, 9:35:19)
19:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58715 (1 day, 9:39:41)
19:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58716 (1 day, 9:39:47)
19:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:58724 (1 day, 9:40:24)
19:28 <qt> you could always change it into "<retreating into/emerging from> <his/her/its> shell" if you want, that probably sounds more natural
19:29 <qt> it just means you have to use uhis() instead of a string literal
19:30 <K2> cool
19:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed the dark elven high priest of Moloch, on T:58860 (1 day, 9:46:32)
19:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:58862 (1 day, 9:46:35)
19:32 <qt> something like this should work to make it "retreating into her shell" https://termbin.com/rg57
19:32 <qt> the mhitu.c bit is just because I keep getting compiler warnings about it
19:32 <qt> it thinks you mean to assign blocker = uarms instead of check the value because of the extraneous parentheses
19:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed Lucifer, on T:58933 (1 day, 9:53:37)
19:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) entered Purgatory, on T:58941 (1 day, 9:55:00)
19:43 <K2> thanks qt
19:45 <qt> i live to serve
19:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed Saint Michael, on T:59067 (1 day, 10:01:23)
19:50 <K2> heh
19:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:59551 (1 day, 10:14:45)
20:01 <terrapin> 60k turns?! like greased lightning!
20:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:59574 (1 day, 10:16:18)
20:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:59575 (1 day, 10:16:22)
20:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:59575 (1 day, 10:16:29)
20:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:59649 (1 day, 10:19:29)
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20:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:59778 (1 day, 10:25:16)
20:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed the saddled barded White Horse, on T:59780 (1 day, 10:25:28)
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20:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) murdered her faithful ettin, on T:59802 (1 day, 10:26:22)
20:12 <qt> krm26: you just had to kill your poor ettin didn't you
20:12 <krm26> he was a johnny come lately
20:12 <qt> just couldn't let the poor ettin go to the demigod bar
20:12 <krm26> my elder minotaur, Mew, is my original cat and is with me still
20:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu), 5240642 points, T:59815, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1692366662.evil.html
20:13 <qt> an original cat and one cool gangsta
20:13 <qt> congrats krm26 
20:13 <Umbire> gg
20:13 <terrapin> congrats
20:13 <K2> nice krm26
20:13 <qt> what does ^ply0 mean?
20:13 <K2> that was rather quick
20:13 <qt> polytrap under boulder?
20:15 <qt> but there's also Q0, which seems unlikely to mean quantum mechanic under boulder
20:16 <krm26> oh i document all sorts of stuff, ^ply is a poly trap, and the 0 means i stuck a boulder on top to make it safe from my pets
20:16 <krm26> the Q0 means i stuck the bell of opening under a boulder
20:16 <krm26> the bell is always Q for me
20:16 <krm26> and i use 0 aas my boulder glyph
20:16 <qt> what's $-? vault but you cleared it out already?
20:16 <K2> wow i think i've finished the first floor wiz tower revamp
20:16 <K2> ...
20:17 <K2> yeah i think so
20:17 <krm26> $ is vault, $- is cleared vault
20:17 <qt> cool, congrats K2
20:17 <K2> it'll be the largest of the three, so lots to flesh out
20:17 <qt> krm26: what about the 100%s?
20:17 <krm26> means i'm done with that gehennom level (no stray magic lamps lying on the floor :-)
20:17 <krm26> do that for the mines to
20:17 <krm26> toooo
20:17 <qt> i use v for vault and vt for vault teleporter but that's basically the extent of my #annotate "system"
20:18 <qt> I never thought of a way to mark a cleared vault, I usually just delete the annotation I guess
20:18 <qt> otherwise I just write things out basically
20:18 <krm26> i document everything cuz i'm nuts.
20:18 <qt> seems like you have a good system
20:19 <krm26> i do the same crap wit items
20:19 <krm26> find an opal ring, it becomes op:, it sells for 100? op:100, oh, slow digestion, op:dg
20:20 <krm26> find a sink, {=P&. get the pudding, {=&
20:20 <krm26> i minimize my brain activity
20:21 <krm26> BUT, did you note how fast i was? and what a low score? that was a total speed run for me
20:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 513 points, T:1149, killed by a magic missile
20:48 <qt> yeah that was very impressive
20:48 <qt> nice work krm26 
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21:00 <krm26> qt, do you...not play? or do you have a different handle?
21:01 <qt> I haven't played much in a while, especially Evilhack. I have an ongoing xnh game that's going well but I've had it on pause for about a week
21:02 <qt> I've never beaten Evilhack, or gotten further than partway into gehennom (a few versions ago)
21:02 <krm26> was just poking around on nethackscoreboard and didn't see you in the evilhack data
21:02 <qt> https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/q/qt.evil.html
21:02 <qt> i'm just not very good at it :)
21:03 <qt> i'm not a great nethack player in general
21:04 <qt> I didn't ascend for the first ten years or so after I first played it
21:05 <krm26> took me a super long time to ascend the first time too
21:07 <krm26> was just surprised, you're so active in this channel, i guess i just assumed
21:08 <Umbire> sometimes people're chatty
21:09 <krm26> heh, meant code-active
21:09 <qt> I guess i'm better at programming than I am at playing
21:10 <qt> I should play some more though, I know there have been a bunch of new additions since I last played evilhack
21:10 <qt> but I also have never gotten deep enough to see most of them in the first place :P
21:10 <krm26> ascend! ascend! ascend!
21:11 <qt> that will probably take another 10 years or so :)
21:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2543 (0:16:15)
21:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:2571 (0:16:51)
21:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3774 points, T:4189, killed by bouquet's ghost, while being terrified of a ghost
21:45 <bouquet> dwarf with a wand of death and a loose mastodon in zootown.  No thanks!
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21:48 <bouquet> gratz krm26!
21:49 <Loggers_VIII> oh grats krm26
21:49 <Loggers_VIII> that was quick
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22:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1551 (0:07:56)
22:01 <bouquet> crap. early game wish. I never know what to get!
22:04 <bouquet> an artifact will blast me to death. I guess I need MR more than anything at this point.
22:05 <Umbire> sometimes simple is best
22:05 <Umbire> you planning on two-weaponing?
22:05 <bouquet> ya
22:05 <bouquet> goblintown had a hammer so I'll whip up a couple katanas when I find the ingredients.
22:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:1611 (0:13:08)
22:05 <Umbire> dragonhide cloak of MR, adamantine amulet of reflection/magic resistance come to mind immediately--
22:05 <Umbire> oh you got it covered 
22:05 <Umbire> coo
22:06 <bouquet> great minds think... something something.
22:06 <bouquet> nice for my next bones at least :P
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22:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a bone knife entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:3482 (0:32:45)
22:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3923 (1:09:39)
23:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a wooden banded mail entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:4590 (0:51:03)
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23:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xialg1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 5672 points, T:9467, killed by a giant mosquito, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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23:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8899 (1:38:15)
23:54 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:5879 (0:34:30)
23:54 <alivernine> It's my first time in Vecna's domain and I am tearing through everything.
23:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6432 (0:37:40)
23:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (locusts), on T:6444 (0:38:46)