00:00 Thx so I'd use gray one, but I have no reflection now. 00:00 What's typical wishes in evilhack? 00:00 if you have resistances reflection is only good for black dragon breath really 00:00 Does "illithid priest of Moloch" suck my brain? 00:00 If you want to wish for armor, make sure to specify that it's dragonhide 00:01 eggandhull yes but it's only one attack I think 00:01 Lol I remember my only xnethack game die to Medusa without reflection. 00:01 If you wish for non-magical armor you can specify an object property. So example being "+2 dragonhide T-shirt of drain resistance" 00:01 oh yeah I sometimes forget about reflection and die to medusa lol 00:01 speaking of, don't attack medusa in melee 00:01 @e?medusa 00:01 Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Align: -15 | omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravis 00:01 I see lots of them in some ascention dumplogs. 00:02 you will get stunlocked by her stoning melee 00:02 Well but it seems the it's hard to use dagger to take over it. 00:02 The damage is far lower then in vanilla :( 00:03 I'm not sure, maybe I could eat to 18/** and throw mjollnir. 00:03 I don't think damage on daggers is lower per se, but enemies generally have higher health in evil 00:03 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 00:04 Ah yes, and their AC performs so well. 00:04 wands of fire work well on medusa if you have any, she's vulnerable to fire 00:04 attack wands of any kind are good against her 00:04 I remember I have one wand of death, ooops, fortunately it didn't get cancelled yesterday. 00:05 What's monster's cancellations? Seems only cancel part of my items. 00:05 oh, lucky! medusa is a great target for a wand of death charge 00:05 Maybe cuz I have MR? 00:05 yeah it only cancels a few items, not your whole inventory. that's normal 00:06 let me check the range real quick 00:06 Baalphegor snatches the Sword of Annihilation! 00:06 oh no 00:07 unfortunate. sneak back over the lava and pelt him from range 00:07 Can cockatrice corpse still perform well in EvilHack? 00:07 i do have disint resistance, wha thappens if the balrog wields SoA and swipes at me? does it disintegrate my stuff? 00:07 Lucifer has an entourage of named balrogs, about half of which have bullwhips. so punch or zap them to death 00:07 eggandhull if you have intrinsic resistance, it will still disintegrate your armor 00:08 Wow that's so dangerous.. 00:08 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the illithid high priest of Moloch, on T:113191 (2 days, 4:33:43) 00:09 xdminsy it's been nerfed a little but it still works quite well. Basically instead of insta-stoning it has the same affect on monsters as for the player. so it takes 5 turns total I think. (though they cannot move after two turns) 00:09 I see a lot forged artifacts in some ascended dumplogs, how to obtain those many artifacts. 00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:113195 (2 days, 4:34:08) 00:09 just altar camping, mainly. You can also chance a wish for two artifacts but you're only guaranteed one successful artifact wish 00:10 Got it, I hardly farm in vanilla. 00:10 Loggers_VIII: thx for the tips.. 00:10 How do my valkyrie farm? I don't know how to summon monsters quickly. 00:10 should i put SoA in bag then 00:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:5926 (2:48:58) 00:11 as long as you don't wield it they can't steal it eggandhull 00:11 xdminsy monster generation rate increases at certain points in evilhack so it's easier to farm. just press n300s and you'll pretty much always get a monster to sacrifice. 00:11 SoA seems fancy, I see some valk use the Hammer of the God. 00:12 SoA and HotG are the two best offensive ones for sure 00:12 SoA is better offensively but you miss out on loot and HotG is still very good damage and has more defensive options 00:13 Lol it's quite straight means.. 00:15 I remember if goto quest before lv14, monster spawn rate is x2. 00:15 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:15 But after I reach 14, it will back to x1? 00:15 no 00:15 allo umbire 00:16 Hi 00:16 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #evilhack 00:16 I quaffed a potion of enlightment, it reports my generation rate is 1.16x. 00:17 weird never had that one before 00:17 Lol yes, I think my spawn rate seems similar to vanilla now. 00:18 that seems fine 00:18 Facing Lucifer for the first time 00:18 he is supremely nasty 00:18 SoA/Vorpy or Vorpy/Angelslayer, what say you 00:18 I would go SoA/Vorpy but you should go SoA/Angelslayer 00:19 haha whys that 00:20 well SoA/Vorpy is higher chance to instakill with disintegration/beheading which provides me with immeasurable dopamine :) 00:20 but SoA/Angelslayer is good instakill chance and damage with SoA and Angelslayer gives half spell damage, plus the hellfire should work against lucifer in current version 00:20 -!- arahael has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:21 Level 77 HP 666(666) AC -10 -- oh man, crazy hp 00:21 oh fuck eggandhull you really oughta walk in there with potions of paralysis and full healing 00:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4320 points, T:3291, killed by a mountain dwarf, while sleeping 00:22 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 00:23 !lastgame dbanethacker 00:23 dbanethacker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1692499596.evil.html 00:24 get his ass 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Lucifer, on T:113261 (2 days, 4:49:01) 00:24 crazy... 00:24 that was a CLEAN fight 00:24 400 hp down to 110 in a few turns 00:24 hellfire resistance anyone? 00:24 that would have been a hell of a lot more without that half spell damage 00:24 Loggers_VIII: thx so much for that tip 00:24 would've died lol 00:24 no prob lol 00:25 when you enter purgatory, the wizard will spawn so just be ready for that 00:25 so any other nasty boss to beware of, or this is it 00:25 lucifer is by far the nastiest 00:25 the second level of purgatory has Saint Michael, who is basically a beefed up Archangel 00:25 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered Purgatory, on T:113265 (2 days, 4:50:42) 00:26 What can Lucifer do? 00:26 a lot of damage is what he can do :P 00:26 @e?lucofer 00:26 lucofer ~1~ Lucifer (&) | Lvl: 110 | Diff: 66 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire shock poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 99 | Gen: unique | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw wither, 8d8 cast fire, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis 00:27 he has no special gimmick or anything. He just does crazy amounts of damage and has 666 HP 00:27 i never faced Archangel 00:27 @e?saint michael 00:27 Saint Michael (A) | Lvl: 77 | Diff: 40 | Spd: 14 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 90 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical, 2d4 claw knockback, 4d6 cast clerical, 4d6 cast magic missile | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 00:27 you should be able to take care of him relatively easily. And if you want you can just run past him 00:27 For purgatory, don't try and fight stuff. Just run 00:28 if you get bogged down by the player NPCs it's game over 00:28 my big mistake is didn't bring all the magic mapping scrolls in stash 00:28 magic mapping doesn't work for purgatory anyway 00:28 ...where's the > at? 00:28 right of the level, there's a little building 00:28 use levitation or whatever to get over the river 00:29 also, the second level has open air. don't step into it and die 00:29 Maybe it's fixed map? 00:29 yep it's always the same 00:29 Well can I use a mirror to stone Medusa herself in EvilHack? 00:30 not reliably 00:30 there's like a 11/12 chance she looks away and doesn't get stoned I think 00:30 Lol, maybe I could try. 00:31 When I merge scales, do uncursed scroll differs from blessed? 00:31 Seems no differences. 00:31 yep, no difference 00:32 Well but it let me choose what to enchant. 00:33 Emmm, should I choose the scales or the armors? 00:33 the scales 00:33 Okay thx. 00:34 ok at second floor now! so i guess go to the left and then find a < upstairs? 00:34 nope, magic portal 00:35 behind a secret door in saint michael's throne room. Unlike lucifer, you don't have to kill him to activate it 00:35 watch out for the celestial dragons, they're scary 00:36 watch out = run or kill :D 00:36 I just ignore them, but if you keep them alive they'll scream at you when you're in line of sight 00:36 they just have a bunch of hp so I don't bother 00:37 put your blindfold on eggandhul!! beholder 00:37 phew 00:38 Loggers_VIII: thx.... 00:38 Loggers_VIII: got petrification resis tho 00:38 yeah but he could cancel ur gear which would suck 00:38 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 00:38 oh though I suppose you have extrinsic disint res from SoA 00:39 there's a secret door right behind the throne, portal's behind there 00:39 other closets have assorted loot 00:40 holy shit! 00:40 nice! 00:40 i like how I got tele out to castle, much needed QoL 00:40 yeah I like it 00:40 but now I fear for astral. there was like just 1 Angel and a few other mon's and I'm now 214 out of 408 HP 00:41 the rest of the ascrun is mainly the same. Other than the fact that the spawns are harder 00:41 if you have ink in your markers you can write cursed scrolls of genocide and scrolls of taming 00:41 AC not low enough? On astral should I rev geno q a few times then read taming? 00:41 and tame a bunch of woolly mammoths on astral 00:41 yea 00:41 your AC is wonderful, so is your HP 00:41 I would feel comfortable doing Astral without woolly rain with your stats, but don't chance it 00:42 I am notorious for fumbling late game 00:42 would hungerless regen from Hand be worth it? 00:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) stole 302 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Pengalengan's delicatessen, on T:7943 (3:01:55) 00:42 What's woolly rain, like purple worms? 00:42 xdminsy: yeah 00:43 at this point in the game I think the hand is better than dragonbane 00:43 half physical damage, disease resistance are very good 00:44 but it doesn't matter too much 00:44 oh, actually, you have yellow-scaled armor. Absolutely replace dragonbane with the hand 00:44 there's no reason to not do so 00:45 i need reflection tho 00:45 just genocide black dragons 00:45 the regen doesn't seem fast enough to warrant it?? 00:46 As you read the scroll, it disappears. You feel disoriented for a moment. <-- burned 4 tele scrolls and this happened 4 times. is it a evilhack thing that bans tele when on the run? 00:46 I think so yes 00:47 So the /oTele is more useful? 00:47 and yea the hand's only negligibly more valuable for you since you already half phys damage 00:47 Would this count monster MR? 00:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:8398 (3:06:58) 00:47 oh man i brought tons of tele scrolls 00:47 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:49 bumped into shocking sphere lol, note to self: don't fast travel on ascension run 00:50 well, you can fast travel, just keep in mind the risk :) 00:50 do you have a replacement for that lev ring? 00:50 yep 00:50 i packed like crazy 00:51 nice 00:51 Oh and, would I blow up the artifact boh? 00:51 xdminsy: yep 00:51 I remember maybe Magicbane has 10% chance to blow it up when put in, any others? 00:52 Oh I see maybe others are the same in vaniila. 00:53 I have gray-scaled mithril ring mail now, so should I stash wand of cancellation at somewhere safe. 00:53 yep it's just magicbane, wand of cancellation, bag of holding and bag of tricks 00:53 I don't carry anything dangerous for bag of holding in vanilla. 00:53 Is there a strong reason to carry them in evilhack? 00:53 I once put in magicbane to my bag of the hesperides without knowing it could explode it but luckily it didn't 00:54 not really 00:54 same as in vanilla. cancel dangerous spellcasters n stuff 00:54 there is a very dangerous demon prince who has a theft attack, who you can cancel. But it's not necessary to always carry one 00:54 Just stash it somewhere in case you need it later 00:55 Maybe, I remember almost all nasties have very high MR. 00:55 Not all of them, but quite a few 00:55 Ah yes, I found that I could dip in shallow water, it's convenient.. 00:55 animals and dragons are still on the lower end 00:55 I legitimately just put it in a sack that I have marked by rcfile 00:55 <3 shallow water 00:56 one of k2's few good ideas :P 00:56 Oh so it can be used to cancel black dragons? 00:56 yeah 00:56 brb 00:56 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:57 -!- arahael has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58 @e?black dragon 00:58 black dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: disintegrate | Confer: disintegrate | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 1d255 breath disintegrate, 4d8 bite physical, 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 2d10 engulf digest, 0d0 passive disintegrate | Align: -6 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 00:58 Dragons have slightly more MR compared to vanilla 00:58 @?black dragon 00:58 black dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: disintegrate drain | Confer: disintegrate | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 1d255 breath disintegrate, 3d8 bite physical, 1d4 claw physical, 1d4 claw physical | Align: -6 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 00:58 Ah right, bot takes the recent buffs into account 00:58 But yeah up to 20 from 10 previously 00:59 it's not nothing but it shouldn't prevent sleep/cancellation/etc. from being options 00:59 ok about to go up frm level 1.... 00:59 anything to note? rodney will spawn like before? 01:01 Are the Planes shuffled in this one? I forget 01:01 from wiki it's shuffled 01:02 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:113818 (2 days, 5:27:05) 01:02 But yes he will appear as usual 01:02 oh man 01:02 i hope bugle still works for ";" right 01:05 oh damn, water element strangling.....i forgot they can do this 01:06 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:06 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:113858 (2 days, 5:31:40) 01:11 The balrog yanks the Sword of Annihilation from your hand! oh man 01:14 hmm i can't find the SoA 01:18 Did you kill the balrog over lava 01:23 The stalker doesn't give permanent see invisible? 01:23 How to obtain that. 01:23 got the SoA back! now on astral. discovered that monster detection no longer shows which rider is which... 01:24 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 01:24 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:26 i'm rocking 19 woolly mammoth 01:27 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:114080 (2 days, 5:52:49) 01:28 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the White Horse, on T:114082 (2 days, 5:53:06) 01:32 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:114107 (2 days, 5:56:51) 01:36 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Black Horse, on T:114139 (2 days, 6:01:44) 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:114146 (2 days, 6:03:21) 01:39 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:114151 (2 days, 6:04:49) 01:41 yay done 01:45 gg 01:49 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu), 8542320 points, T:114248, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eggandhull/evilhack/dumplog/1691335213.evil.html 01:50 thx all for your help!! first ascension in evilhack. that was super fun! 02:11 congrats eggandhull \o/ 02:11 and gnite :) 02:12 Congrats! 02:15 night 02:26 I see my config file reports 57 errors in windows port. 02:26 I think it's the regex library error, which one in windows is used? 02:27 Seems it doesn't recognize every \s \b or something. 02:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:50 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:52 Wow nethack use cpp std regex, I thought nethack was pure C.. 04:00 sys/share/cppregex.cpp seems to only be used on MS-DOS 04:02 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 04:02 actually no, it's available on any system, but only the default on windows 04:02 congrats \o/ eggandhull 04:03 see DEVEL/code_features.txt 05:03 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 05:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 05:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:19 If a stoned player in bones is zapped with stone to flesh, will he become a player monster? 05:25 As is the case in vanilla, yes 05:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 05:40 congrats eggandhull 05:40 \o/ 05:40 poor Loggers... ;-) 05:43 ? 05:44 just kidding, read the backlog, Loggers was getting bombarded with questions 06:16 will do 06:29 sorry, I meant past tense as in "I read the backlog" 06:31 lol 06:36 late congrats eggandhull, sorry i missed the ascension! 06:48 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:49 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:31 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:38 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 08:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1365 points, T:2407, killed by a fire ant 08:36 team ant! 08:39 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 08:46 congratulations, eggandhull! 08:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1882 (0:23:01) 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:38998 (15:57:07) 09:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3101 (0:35:16) 09:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed gjallar", on T:39503 (16:10:15) 09:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3842 (0:46:15) 09:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4039 (0:49:44) 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:40796 (16:59:10) 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:40816 (16:59:52) 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed Gollum, on T:1648 (0:33:06) 10:17 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1778 (0:34:31) 10:28 are you speed running krm26 :-) 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Mal Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3172 (0:48:00) 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Inf Ith Mal Una), 4079 points, T:3319, poisoned by a rotted gnome noble corpse 10:39 heh, yeah, for me this is certainly speed running! might not hit 150k 10:40 i really want to blessed amnesia but i am a stupid centaur and i'm not wishing for a helm of brilliance 10:43 gain ability or enlightenment 10:43 centaur max int is to low Noisytoot 10:44 centaurs cap at 12 10:44 i forget what you need for blessed amnesia to respec -- 14 or 15? 10:44 13 10:44 so close yet so far 10:46 the staff of aesculapious really loses it lustre in vecna's branch 10:50 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 10:53 What will happen if I stone to flesh a player that is stoned after polymorphing to something else? Will I just get the polymorphed monster or player monster? 10:55 Polymorphed monster 10:55 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:56 So he wont revert back... Thanks 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:42583 (18:12:41) 11:22 wow, woke up to your messages, thx K2 xdminsy k3ut0i mobileuser krm26 terrapin - wouldn't have done it without your help in the past month :D 11:22 o/ 11:22 1st asc! 11:22 yes! 11:22 bet that felt really good 11:23 now you can do a tortle convict ascension 11:24 Evil is excellent in keeping me on my toes even in ascension runs. Had a scary incident with Lucifer. Almost got bogged down on 1st level of Purgatory. In the Purgatory(forgot)/Planes got a few Balrog bullwip'ed my SoA which was pretty scary (had to dagger them at range). On water, a water elemental tried to strangle me. I like all these suspenses lol 11:25 awesome 11:25 ...i wish i remembered how i killed vecna last time as a healer 11:25 makes the win that much more exciting 11:25 so..what's the best practice with dealing with balrog's 11:26 that may have been the run i discovered footricing him doesn't give you loot :-/ 11:26 bullwhip-wielders are best handled at range if you aren't a monk, especially if you are rocking soa 11:26 eggandhull if they dont have a bullwhip, treat them like any other demon 11:26 otherwise what krm26 said 11:27 eggandhull are you lemrent on reddit? reading this thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/15vzie9/what_is_your_favorite_variant_and_why/ 11:27 nope not me 11:27 you can melee them if you have several alternate weapons in inventory, they are unlikely to yank all of them. but obv some of your weapons you dont want to be hit by -- soa, mjollnir 11:28 ah 11:29 not a coincidence they ascended with Valk Cen first. Having jumping + speed together is awesome 11:29 I think one balrog yanked my shadowblade, hammer of gods and angelslayer. 11:30 A long long time ago i remember a demon -- i think a pit fiend -- yanking my demonbane and then instagating in yeen on me 11:30 good times 11:30 or was it lolth? 11:30 LOL 11:30 i have demon discombobulation disorder 11:31 i can identify graz'zt and non-graz'zt 11:31 So, there's no "hellfire resistance" right? 11:31 nope 11:32 Fire resistance to reduce damage, that's about it 11:33 hmm, th15 vs ac-10...sword of kas not looking like an astounding option 11:33 i'm thinking 50 +7 silver shuriken 11:34 and a good ol boulder fort 11:35 For some reason i feel L's and various mind flayers are not a thing in Evil? Like L's don't teleport away as much, and L's and mmh's don't spawn as much 11:35 yes! good ol' alhoon did for me what a blessed scroll of amnesia would not 11:36 -- depends on your level, eggandhull. but there are a lot more high-level bad things to compete with them in the generation %ages too 11:37 every antimatter vortex and shambling horror is one less arch-lich :-) 11:37 oh yea, shambling horrors spawned a few times, antimatter just once. maybe keeping myself at or below XP 20 helped 11:38 yes, if you aren't a killing machine (or carrying around a level 49 dragon pet :-) staying at level 19 until on the actual ascension run makes things a lot more survivable 11:39 particularly with low physical damage output roles like priest 11:39 or the almost-guaranteed magic resistant high level player monsters REALLY f you up 11:40 i used to go wraith-happy when the vecna level was introduced, and it made everything so. much. harder. 11:40 gotta learn to just say no to all those wraiths 11:41 (very disappointing that you generally can't make your pets eat wraith corpses) 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) destroyed Charon, on T:43112 (18:43:03) 12:00 monks get nice intrinsics at high levels 12:09 collect them all 12:21 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:22 hola 12:22 Hello Loggers_VIII, Welcome to #evilhack 12:22 and congrats eggandhull!! 12:22 gracias Loggers_VIII !!!!! 12:25 that was a fun game to watch, I didn’t catch the end though :( 12:26 I totally thought you were gonna die at Lucifer, lol 12:29 Loggers_VIII: LOLOL 12:30 the end was...let's say less dramatic than Lucifer 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:43920 (19:24:13) 12:32 as it tends to be 12:32 anyway, I’ve gotta go. Just wanted to drop in and say my congrats 12:33 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:34 dammnnnnnnnnnnn 12:34 one turn in a helm of opposite alignment and i can't use the gauntlets of purity any more 12:35 devoutly aligned doesn't cut it 13:01 kill some monsters 13:11 nobody mentioned just punching whip wielders :-) 13:12 or get bare handed and just walk past them if on the asc run 13:17 or teleporting them 13:25 That reminds me why I wanted to wield stuff 13:25 Vorpal J's are scary when I was wielding SoA/Angelslayer. In the end I just ignored/tele'd them away. 13:26 part of getting anywhere in NetHack, much less its variants is knowing how to avoid fights 13:27 not just cutting and running (though that's also valuable) 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:45760 (20:49:23) 13:59 @?xan 13:59 xan (x) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 18 | Res: poison | Confer: poison | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -4 | Atk: 1d4 sting legwound | Align: 0 | genocidable, flies, poisonous, infravis, passes-bars 14:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:46040 (20:56:14) 14:05 much less its variants? 14:05 why is it less important in variants? 14:06 it isn't, you just misread 14:11 that phrasing means it is even more important in the variants than in vanilla (where it is still important) 14:35 almost finished with wiz tower first floor revamp 14:35 1 down 2 to go 14:35 welll almost 1 down 14:36 i hope the tower is art deco 14:37 heh 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:46782 (21:34:11) 14:42 Did balrogs gain more HP in evilhack. I don't remember them being that strong in vanilla. 14:43 Lot of 'em did 14:43 Monsters get more HP proportional to their size 14:43 so that big monsters actually feel big 14:44 i think they're speedier, too? 14:44 @?balrog 14:44 balrog (&) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 5 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -2 | Atk: 8d4 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical | Align: -14 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, demon, stalker, infravis, silverhate 14:44 yeah 14:45 yup balrogs were buffed 14:45 specifically 14:45 Hoo. bullwhips are a nuisance. I am stealing them before killing balrogs. 14:45 #genocidebullwhips 14:45 brb 14:49 That's vanilla stats 14:49 @?balrog 14:49 balrog (&) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 5 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -2 | Atk: 8d4 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical | Align: -14 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, demon, stalker, infravis, silverhate 14:49 @e?balrog 14:49 balrog (&) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -2 | Atk: 8d4 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical | Align: -14 | flies, thick hide, seeinvis, poisonous, stalker, silverhate, infravis 14:49 they're way faster now but that statline... hmmm 14:49 @l?balrog 14:49 balrog (&) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 23 | Spd: 5 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 75 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -2 | Atk: 8d4 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical | Align: -14 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, demon, stalker, infravis, silverhate 14:50 Oh, unchanged 14:50 (where vanilla's concerned) 14:50 but yeah Evil makes them faster, and on top of general size-based HP buffs there's also been changes in weapon priority I think 14:50 in vanilla balrogs only go to whip if they lose their broadsword 14:51 difficulty is higher in slashem than in evilhack and vanilla (or whatever @l? is) despite having the same stats as vanilla 14:51 in Evil balrogs and other monsters use whips early and often 14:51 Might be changes to other elements/general rebalancing to accommodate dungeon changes, idk 14:57 @l? is slashem 14:57 No such monster. 14:57 heh 14:58 see https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/#bot-commands 14:58 havent seen a bones in a while, and a late-game bones all year...people must not be dying any more 14:58 I know 14:58 was comparing weapon attacks between vanilla and slash'em, in case vanilla had buffed them 14:59 didn't remember the dice for balrog being that high, but then it's been a good minute since I fought one proper 14:59