00:06 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 00:06 Diluted potions are nerfed, is it worthwhile to alchemize extra healing into diluted full healing? Basically which one adds more max HP? 00:07 undiluted extra healing is better (5 maxhp vs. 4 from diluted full healing) 00:11 If you're just trying to pump max HP, yeah 00:11 diluted full healing is still full healing otherwise 00:15 just for hp 00:15 what about healing vs diluted extra healing?.. 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3733 points, T:4940, killed by a poisonous corpse 01:01 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:111492 (2 days, 1:24:14) 01:01 i got 4 more blessed smoky potions. any fun late-game wishes besides markers? 01:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:34 -!- xdminsy has joined #evilhack 01:35 Well there're brand new sokoban pazzles :| 01:40 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:58 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:00 Well can I eat an elf corpse left by elf zombie? 02:03 Seems I need one tinning kit. 02:13 So, unlike vanilla where age is randomized within a certain range, zombie corpses are... idk how old but it's a moot point because they're always tainted with zombie crud 02:13 Meaning yes, you need to tin them to make them edible 02:14 Ah yes, I don't know how much intrinsics I have now.. 02:15 But I found a blessed +2 apron, do it provide full poison resistance? 02:17 I wanna i it, but it tell me I don't have any information on apron. 02:18 And I'm not sure, if I go crowned, do I get all those full resistances? 02:20 Yes, you do 02:20 Only resistance intrinsics are percentages, extrinsics are binary 02:21 (i.e. you have them or you don't) 02:21 Oh that's great, but should I be crowned? 02:21 Crowning early is a pretty viable option if you don't want to deal with building up resistances normally 02:21 I checked some ascension dumplogs, seems many will obtain a lot artifacts to forge. 02:21 Not to the point where you "should" but it's a thing you can do 02:22 Ah okay. 02:22 In any case, keep the apron on and eat your way to 100% poison res (you become immune to poison instadeath at 35%), then keep the apron anyway because acid resistance actually matters in the mid-to-late game 02:22 I'm stuck in sokoban level 3 lol, a bit confused how to solve that. 02:22 Check the wiki 02:23 Ah, I don't find EvilHack sokoban page. 02:23 I see, maybe introduced in other variants? 02:25 Thanks suggestions :) 02:25 Yeah, Evil doesn't have its own page yet but all its maps come from other variants 02:25 Sokoban Level 3-whatever letter should work 02:26 Okay, I think I need to first try to solve it myself lol. 02:27 If you like 02:45 I enable autopickup / to try to pick one / in sokoban hole, but I tried many times until I pick it up. 02:50 Yeah I think the odds on that are nerfed 02:50 as in vanilla 02:51 You're usually safe to kick objects off holes unless it's a fragile material or you're on the zoo level 02:51 I see, in vanilla it's 100% iirc. 02:51 Ah I never try that. 02:51 Newly learnt. 02:51 And, which sokoban prize is recommended? 02:51 Well depends on your needs at that moment 02:52 also race and to a lesser extent role 02:52 I'm a centaurian valkyrie and -8 AC with mojo. 02:52 I'm not sure, I think I need one amulet to prevent death ray. 02:53 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Sokoban 02:53 Sokoban prize armor – gauntlets of protection or a helm of speed. 02:53 Sokoban prize amulet – an amulet of reflection or an amulet of magic resistance. 02:53 Sokoban prize tool – a bag of holding or a magic marker. 02:53 Ah yes I have chekced that, the marker seems more rare. 02:53 Correct 02:54 MR and reflection only offer partial protections against magic missiles/rays in general respectively 02:54 But the boh is not something crucial I think, and I heard there's a artifact bag of holding. 02:54 but still more than enough to stop you instadying 02:54 That is correct 02:54 For context, it's a coinflip between which of the two each prize type can actually be 02:55 And you need object/magic detection to know which prize is in which door 02:55 Okay, so I need to find a nymph frist and go to get the amulet. 02:55 I killed one, but no objet detection. 02:55 If you have scrolls of magic detection ID'd that works too 02:57 I see, thanks. 03:25 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 04:21 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had an orcish long sword entrusted to her by Kos, on T:88937 (1 day, 14:47:05) 05:38 I found many dumplogs have a dragonhide t-shirt of drain resistance. 05:38 Is there convenient way to obtain one? 05:38 Or they just wished for it. 05:41 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 05:41 Yeah it's a popular wish 05:42 light source of a ton of AC, drain resistance is valuable and hard to get 05:42 t-shirts CAN randomly generate as dragonhide and with an oprop, but all of those are just straight up wished for 05:42 Got it. 05:43 And now I'm wearing a plate mail and have no bag of holding, it's so heavy.. 05:45 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:47 ...why are you wearing plate lol 05:47 not that it's TOO bad, it can actually be damn solid with lighter material and forged into something good 05:48 but no other options ? 05:48 What, armors can be forged too. 05:48 Lol I don't know that. 05:49 Yeah, armor and weapons 05:49 Just need a hammer and components 05:49 I see I need 3 dilithium crystals to forge one crystal plate mail. 05:49 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Forge_(dungeon_feature) 05:49 correct 05:51 Seems the mines end never provide fixed dilithium crystals, where to find some? 05:51 Or what other armors recommended? I'm now -13 AC with that plate mail. 05:52 Dwarves and elves have racial chain mails, they're esp. good with mithril 05:52 I can't find a familiar mithril-coat :( 05:52 Yeah because those replaced them 05:52 Okay I'd try those racial chain mails. 05:52 which is why I brought 'em up 05:53 Dilithium is pretty rare in the main branch as in vanilla, Mines is usually the best shot to find early crystals 05:54 I got 2 touchstones, I may try find some if there're. 05:56 If you have done fort ludios and have a polymorph wand, you can try polypiling the armor there. There is a good chance to get crystal plate mail. 05:57 Thanks, I may try later, I'm now fairly early, currently completed sokoban and mines. 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide helm of speed", on T:89098 (1 day, 16:20:36) 05:59 Ludios is a lot harder in Evil and honestly you don't even need to polypile unless you're desperate for CPM like that 05:59 a lot of the armor there'll do you great as it is 06:00 Okay I think so, I'm valkyrie I think I won't cast spells. 06:00 I see spellcasters may choose that. 06:00 If you are not casting then its not required. Just a couple more AC than very lite armors. 06:00 yeah it's also just good armor period 06:01 immune to destroy armor spell, way lighter than in vanilla 06:01 made of gemstone instead of glass 06:03 I see the dwarves hardly drop body armors, many mithril boots but I'm a centaur.. 06:03 But I remember I killed some elves I'd find where're them.. 06:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:09 It would be nice if armor of retribution gave external disintegration resistance. Might make it worth losing the sword. 06:22 It depends on luck of the draw for each dwarf on generation 07:16 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:30 speaking of ludios, almost any armor once it is dragon-scaled is better than any other armor -- ludios provides early access to scales 07:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:20328 (7:05:19) 08:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04 hah some fool in ludios was swatting me with grayswandir 08:05 :) Your luck has turned. Dragonbane and now grayswandir. 08:06 yeah those are crazy early random drops 08:06 on games when i do make purity i normally like to wait until after i've used dragonbane's acid resist with kathryn, but screw it 08:08 oh sh*t, healers have basic saber? hmm 08:09 Oh yeah. I liked to use my dog to kill watch captain just to get that saber when I played healer. 08:11 gopur sliding off, is that only for chaotics or is it for neutrals too? 08:12 just chaotics 08:12 i mean, unless you are unpious 08:12 that is for anyone then 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:22872 (7:54:11) 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:24175 (8:17:25) 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:89912 (1 day, 18:57:24) 08:53 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class h), on T:90065 (1 day, 19:05:19) 09:03 blessed genociding of h is not a great strategy in evilhack 09:04 blessed genociding R works fine, if you care, and L is 50/50 -- wouldn't ever contemplate anything else for blessed unless you are using a bunch for ; on the plane of water 09:05 yeah blessed geno isn't a total class wipeout like vanilla, which is honestly for the better 09:05 makes you use your scrolls more precisely 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:90359 (1 day, 19:16:52) 09:06 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 09:07 So uncursed wipes out precisely? I must have confused variants again. 09:08 May be unnethack wipes out monsters on just the floor :/ 09:08 Un and Hack'EM, yes 09:09 Uncursed genocide in NetHack and EvilHack take out one species from the game, blessed geno in Evil takes out two at random from a selected class 09:10 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:5075 (0:45:25) 09:18 Is there any chance that dragon scaled crystal plate mail is destroyed? Mine is missing .... 09:21 sure 09:22 mine was disintegrated just last run 09:22 CPM is immune to destroy armor but it can be disintegrated, yes 09:22 you can always check your tty 09:22 where can I find tty? 09:23 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/ 09:24 you can play it back or if impatient like me you can grep it 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 11679 points, T:6346, killed by a gnoll cleric, while paralyzed by a monster 09:34 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 09:35 !lastgame dbanethacker 09:35 dbanethacker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1692419020.evil.html 09:35 It doesn't seem to be destroyed in game. I saved the game to try changing symbol of spectre. When I came back I seem to have lost it. 09:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:980 (0:09:09) 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 598 points, T:1313, killed by a crossbow bolt 10:00 -!- k3ut0i has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1201 points, T:1695, killed by Gollum 10:03 hmm. i am confident there is not a disappearing armor on load bug 10:05 lemmee see if i can find the right ttyrec 10:07 i see you had it on T90357 10:11 too bad you dont use persistent inventory :-) 10:17 k2: k3ut0i has a "weird event". end of his ttyrec 2023-08-19.11:04:47 he saves with -52 ac wearing crystal plate 10:17 -!- k3ut0i has joined #evilhack 10:17 (k2 cont) then he loads the save game with ttyrec 2023-08-19.13:14:35 and does not have the armor 10:18 no recorded intervening events, it really does look like the armor just vanished on save 10:23 the only time that has happened in the past was when an item that was supposed to be indestructible, still got marked for removal 10:24 that happened twice to me of course :-P 10:26 k3ut0i, was that crystal plate crafted? 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:25682 (9:54:46) 10:31 krm26: Yes. I think I found dilithium in mines. 10:32 huh 10:33 that is odd 10:33 mobileuser when did that happen to you? 10:36 CPM is supposed to be immune to disintegration 10:37 k2, my crystal plate was soa'd off me yesterday 10:38 first hit took my cloak, 2nd the plate 10:38 hmm 10:38 K2 for example the hand of Vecna 10:38 i've just tried crafting a bunch of crystal plate and saving and loading and the plate alas has not vanished 10:38 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:39 and there was that time with Dragonbane and hitting a black dragon 10:40 Am I doing something wrong setting 'SYMBOLS=S_spectre:8' in options file. 10:40 change spectre to ghost 10:41 mobileuser i'm talking saving /reloading and armor is just gone 10:41 spectres are in the ghost monster class 10:41 you've had that happen twice? 10:41 That worked thanks. 10:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42 I used up all my forges. Gotta try polypiling for another crystal plate. 10:42 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:42 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:43 i have no idea why your body armor would just disappear on save/reload 10:44 k3ut0i what kind of scales? 10:44 yellow 10:44 K2 in my case it was saving /reloading and Dragonbane / Hand of Vecna were just gone 10:44 in evilhack? 10:44 or hackem 10:44 yes, you don't remember? 10:44 no 10:44 evilhack 10:45 how long ago was this? 10:45 they got marked for deletion 10:45 marked by what? 10:45 I don't know, 2 years? 10:45 ok I'll explain 10:45 I type slowly 10:45 no worries 10:45 I enchanted The Hand past +6 10:46 when it was new 10:46 it is indestructible, so that was fine 10:46 however, there was bug 10:46 it got marked for deletion 10:47 so on the next save/reload it went poof 10:47 because of over enchant? 10:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:25730 (10:11:58) 10:47 the overenchant marked it for deletion 10:47 ok 10:47 same story when Dragonbane was made to resist disintegration by black dragons 10:48 k3ut0i what kind of dragon-scaled armor was it? 10:48 mobileuser thx 10:48 nae bother :-) 10:48 NAE 10:48 \o/ 10:49 wee, semi-wee, and FRICKIN' YUGE 10:50 crystal plate can't be destroyed by black dragon breath? 10:50 v - an uncursed yellow-scaled +4 crystal plate mail (being worn) (150 aum) 10:50 ^ that is its last appearance in his tty k2 10:51 ok 10:52 cpm is supposed to be immune to disint 10:52 lemme find the commit 10:52 (it also states this on the wiki) 10:52 and k3ut0i, i retract my confidence about there not being a disappearing cpm bug :-) 10:53 I wondered if maybe it got hit by disintegration and marked for deletion 10:53 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9b77a23a2bde8c1815b6baf4f018cd274cfb9acf 10:53 that is easy to test 10:54 yup 10:54 oh Immune to scrolls of destroy armor too 10:54 even easier to test 10:54 easiest test would be wearing hand of dragonbane, punch a black dragon a bunch, save reload 10:54 or that 10:54 ugh 10:54 this is kinda serious bug 10:54 brb 10:55 confirmed 10:55 gets marked for deletion and removed on load 10:55 heh I guessed right 10:55 (confirmed by gameplay not by code inspection) 10:56 Wait I got hit by black dragon breath and lost my cloak. I don't think I saved after that and before losing my armor. 10:57 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:57 the bug means your crystal plate mail was doomed once you saved 10:59 Yeah, better now. If it was at a critical moment in game that would've been bad. 10:59 crap 10:59 as i said, just yesterday in the room before lucifer i lost my cloak and armor, and ascended anyway. all things are possible with enough whining and cursing! 10:59 well ay least we can recreate the bug reliably 11:00 mobileuser i swear i dont remember you bringing this up 2 yrs ago 11:00 i believe you 11:00 there must be commits... 11:00 but that doesnt seem like me to ignore something like that, ot at the very least not record it 11:01 hackem was experiencing this too a few weeks ago if i recall? 11:01 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/501e23bec6a1f1072dbf7791edc47f154c9ebc22 11:02 hmm no mention of "marked for deletion" 11:02 yeah different issues in that commit 11:03 but hey, knowing is half the battle 11:03 we know, and we can reproduce the bug. we're already half way to a fix 11:03 K2 in hackem it hasn't occurred in a long time. still unclear what happened. 11:03 krm26: holy cow, how'd you lose them? repeated destroy armor??? i need to prep for a backup MR source? 11:04 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/10326f49f4117453460f48325e2467620e651701 11:04 ^ K2 11:04 bingo 11:05 eggandhull, chained disaster -- stash polymorphed into a lock pick so lost ascension kit, ended up duking it out face to face with all the bullwhip balrogs before lucifer, one took sword of annihilation and went to town on me 11:05 mobileuser \o/ 11:05 CARL 11:06 nice mobileuser 11:06 i am in do_wear.c now, and I see another issue perhaps regarding this 11:06 krm26: stash polymorphed...? do you mean the bag in your open inventory or real stash somewhere 11:06 but yeah i think we can get this resolved soon 11:06 real stash eggandhull 11:06 ok 11:07 so i've got 4 blessed smoky, WoW 1:2, anything useful to wish for? preparing for rodney run now 11:07 yeah looks like just add armor of retribution and crystal plate mail at 1290 11:08 oh and i have yellow-scaled armor at the moment, i like the petrification resistance but not sure how useful, should i switch to gray-scaled 11:08 it all depends on your whole kit 11:09 gray scale is good to prevent cancellation and to cancel attackers; yellow is good to ignore beholders 11:09 honestly almost any scale has a use-case in the right ascension kit (except for orange :-) 11:10 lemme look 11:11 your gear looks fine, i wouldn't be that concerned about optimizing it further. 11:11 fixed it! 11:11 \o/ 11:11 thanks for digging that up mobileuser, that's the ticket 11:11 if you've done no artifact wishing yet you could always grab one of the high-value neutral on-carry artifacts 11:12 also getting rid of these 'goto end' cases 11:12 krm26: oh what do you recommend 11:12 PYEC? 11:13 i didn't now yellow-scaled means i can ignore beholders 11:13 krm26: why is orange useless? 11:13 free action is good 11:13 in order, gjallar > pyec > eoto, eota 11:14 K2 nice! 11:14 i suppose you are right Noisytoot, i always think of my characters as having one ring slot other than mandatory free action 11:15 eggandhull, the biggest beholder danger (imo) is gaze petrification 11:16 Noisytoot, orange dragon-scaled armor doesnt give free action in evilhack 11:16 it has a passive slow attack instead (things that hit you get slowed) 11:16 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Dragon_scales_and_dtsund_dragon-scaled_armor 11:17 i do have plans to redo some of the secondary characteristics for some of the scales tho 11:18 i knew there was a reason i hated orange 11:18 hmm not sure what PYEC can charge for me, maybe wands 11:18 seems like i've got an OK to go? 11:18 nah, you just carry it for the point value 11:18 You might've been thinking of Hack'EM/vanilla 11:18 as long as you have your wands of death & teleportation, 4 scrolls of gold detection, and a bunch of full healing you look good 11:24 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:27 lol i don't have a bunch of full healing, just 4 of them, but got 4 blessed nurse to sub. enough? 11:28 what happens when +7 soa and ashmar are forged? do we get +7 aor? 11:30 eggandhull: sometimes i use 0, but i've had ascension runs where i have used double digits of full healing. depends on the character 11:30 you should have a feel for what you'll need. 11:31 shit 11:33 K2: does eating flying amulet gives flying intrinsic? What about guarding, gains AC? 11:36 eggandhull: 4 blessed nurse? 11:37 Noisytoot: tins of nurse meat 11:37 magical breathing is the only amulet you should bother eating -- no way to get flying intrinsic 11:37 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 11:37 oh i'm concerned about getting tele'd to water wetting bag 11:37 guarding no go either? 11:38 i like how flying lets you be lazy and careless so i almost always try to wear flying if i can 11:38 hesperides is waterproof 11:38 i'm not 100% sure of guarding, but i do NOT think it works like the ring of protection? need confirmation 11:39 I think yellow scaled armor disappearing gave me petrification resistance. 11:39 urgh shadow dragon in healer quest is ROUGH 11:39 acid is not there. 11:40 cool! take the win k3ut0i 11:40 :-) 11:41 there is a way to get intrinsic flying 11:41 not in centaur form 11:41 start as an illithid or get crowned as an infidel 11:47 Guarding is +MC2 but doesn't stack with others 11:47 It's usually not the late game amulet of choice in any case since you should have a ton of AC and some form of MC3 11:47 oh i meant does eating it grant +2AC 11:48 Oh, then idk 11:48 I wanna say probably not since the ring doesn't confer MC when eating lol 11:48 just AC 11:49 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/082853b973b3...a5ce1e99c562 11:49 [EvilHack] k21971 a5ce1e9 - Fix: certain armor would disappear on save/reload under specific conditions. 11:50 eggandhull, no either eitehr of those amulets does not impart flying/MC3 intrinsic 11:50 *eating 11:51 that fix wont be live until next version release fyi 11:51 so until then, be careful 11:51 it doesn't grant MC3, what about AC? 11:51 no 11:51 kkk 11:52 thx guys! 11:52 looks like i should just go lol 11:52 So you can scam petrification resistance until next version :) 11:52 oh btw, i've geno'd gelatinous cube, what happens if i try to polyself into it 11:53 I don't think you can 11:54 K2: what are those specific conditions? 11:54 you will see a message like "You feel father gelatinous cube-ish" and not poly. 11:55 "father" 11:55 that's not evil enough 11:55 would love to see sudden death :) 11:57 I would hate to see that. Monsters can't poly into genocided forms so players shouldn't be able to either. 11:58 covetous knockback monsters on water levels are just THE WORST 11:59 grr never know what to do with the cyclops 12:10 Noisytoot read the commit notes 12:16 k2: when you are riding a mount with ithilmar, the rider should also have decapitation resistance 12:16 even better, it should prevent being plucked from your steed by engulfers 12:25 barding doesnt protect the rider, its meant to protect the steed wearing it 12:28 right but you are giving up purity and vorpal, and it already helps the rider with lance breaking :-) 12:28 Become what kind of monster? [type the name] xorn You feel like a new centaur! 12:29 ive an ich, take a mile... 12:29 hmm not sure why poly self failed 12:29 yeah that can happen 12:29 *give 12:29 just random chance eggandhull 12:29 lost some HP and 1 xp level 12:29 i love it when you defend design decisions with reality-based arguments :-) 12:30 This ring of protection from shape changers is delicious! Magic spreads through your body as you digest the ring. 12:30 does that mean i've gained the intrinsic? 12:31 yes 12:31 nice! 12:31 shapechangers, stealth, searching, increase damage, increase accuracy, protection all worth eating if they are the right material 12:32 and of course amulet of magical breathing 12:32 tourist with metal increase damage and accuracy is hysterical 12:33 krm26 :P 12:33 brb 12:33 in fact it is so fun that i sometimes kill tourists once i find i have a non-metallic damage ring 12:33 but my play techniques are known to be abby normal 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4028 (0:59:11) 12:39 is it safe to pick up a c corpse as a xorn? no boots, have gloves 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:27421 (11:46:47) 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Hea Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27423 (11:46:55) 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:4182 (1:01:56) 12:42 xorn can do it with or without gloves, they are stoning resistant 12:45 hmm, the gain strength ring i ate bumped my strength to 22 but after returning to Centaur strength reverses to 19 12:45 Because attribute increases while polymorphed are temporary 12:46 as they are in vanilla 12:46 oh... 12:46 also you can just eat giants lmao 12:46 or drink gain ability 12:46 notice they were not on my list of rings to eat 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:92735 (1 day, 22:06:23) 12:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6975 points, T:4762, killed by an Uruk-hai 13:05 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fireproof Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:112468 (2 days, 3:22:08) 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:112849 (2 days, 4:01:05) 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:112850 (2 days, 4:01:24) 13:44 saving for now.. 13:56 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:57 Tempest is the onlything that provides stun resistance right? Is there any monster that has it? 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:93411 (1 day, 22:43:09) 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Demogorgon, on T:93612 (1 day, 22:51:40) 14:17 Demogorgon summoned Dispater even when I wielded Hammer of the Gods. Is this not gating and different summoning? 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Dispater, on T:93682 (1 day, 22:56:12) 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Orc Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:93691 (1 day, 22:57:09) 14:21 @e?demogorgon 14:21 Demogorgon (&) | Lvl: 106 | Diff: 57 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 95 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 8d6 cast spell, 2d4 sting level drain, 2d6 tentacle disease, 2d6 tentacle disease | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis 14:21 summon nasties can summon demon lords sometimes, and that isn't blocked by HotG/Demonbane 14:23 ^ this 14:23 Hmm, only dispater came, no other monsters. Can summon nasties do that? 14:25 in Gehennom, there's a 10% chance that you get what is essentially the results of demon prince gating stuff in, but it can't be blocked 14:26