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00:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had a blessed morning star entrusted to her by Issek, on T:51850 (20:00:13)
00:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had a spellbook of light given to her by Issek, on T:52031 (20:08:26)
01:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Issek, on T:52304 (20:15:50)
01:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Tormuse (Cav Gia Mal Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:46463 (1 day, 18:06:28)
01:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Issek, on T:52555 (20:49:41)
02:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:75003 (1 day, 0:35:01)
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02:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 670 points, T:2343, killed by a hill orc, while fainted from lack of food
02:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:77603 (1 day, 0:48:09)
02:23 <eggandhull> finally something good
02:24 <eggandhull> just want one of the brands..
02:30 <k3ut0i> Angelslayer is pretty nice.
02:34 <eggandhull> Is Sword of Annihilation considered the best for melee roles?
02:34 <k3ut0i> Yes.
02:36 <k3ut0i> Insta kill with good damage.
02:36 <k3ut0i> Doesn't get destroyed when fighting black dragons or player monsters.
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03:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Sunsword", on T:54607 (22:31:00)
03:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:124119 (2 days, 4:23:01)
03:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:124155 (2 days, 4:24:03)
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05:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Issek, on T:57624 (1 day, 0:58:21)
06:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:58014 (1 day, 1:03:54)
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07:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3279 (0:28:26)
07:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8107 points, T:4064, killed by an ochre jelly
08:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:462 (0:02:08)
08:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 511 points, T:484, killed by a giant bat
08:51 <k3ut0i> Are polearms not considered edge weapons? Priests can still use them.
08:54 <krm26> i'm not sure what k2 ended up doing with that -- i remember talk about how one or two might be treated as non-edged, like the lucerne hammer
08:55 <K2> yup
08:55 <K2> there's 1-2 polearms that are considered bash type weapons
08:56 <k3ut0i> So are there alignment penalities for some of them?
08:58 <K2> if they're edged/piercing, definitely
08:58 <K2> plus there's a -30 to-hit penalty
08:59 <K2> lucern hammer would be a priests polearm of choice
08:59 <krm26> Lucerne, after Lucerne, Switzerland
09:00 <krm26> of course, despite the "hammer" in its name the thing has a pointy bit a mile long on it :-)
09:00 <K2> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Polearm#Lucern_hammer
09:00 <K2> yeah i know
09:00 <K2> but i'm allowed some creative license
09:00 <krm26> i'm not complaining, just being pedantic
09:00 <K2> :P
09:01 <krm26> i have my ancient 70s glossary of arms and armor on a shelf in my office
09:01 <krm26> i was having rants about all the stupid dnd polearms back in the 80s
09:01 <k3ut0i> I got a TH:4 when trying out spetum. But there was no warning that I was using edge weapons. So I was a bit confused.
09:02 <K2> warning doesnt happen every hit
09:02 <krm26> is tempest priestable?
09:02 <K2> oh and the TH indicator doesnt take that special to-hit penalty into account
09:02 <K2> no
09:03 <K2> hmm
09:03 <K2> this makes me want to rework the priest edged/piercing penalty
09:03 <K2> the way i did it could be better
09:05 <krm26> ok i am officially giving up on ogresmoosher dammit
09:05 <krm26> past 120k for it is insanity
09:06 <krm26> and i still have distractors left
09:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:120585 (1 day, 17:47:01)
09:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:120737 (1 day, 17:53:54)
09:13 <krm26> like so
09:14 <krm26> dammit
09:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 7834 points, T:5308, killed by a dwarf lord
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09:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:121297 (1 day, 18:00:26)
09:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13526 (4:40:50)
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09:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:14402 (5:01:54)
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11:14 <terrapin> huh, the trees on the barbarian quest home give fruit when kicked, but when you try to cut them down it says they're petrified
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11:17 <eggandhull> So I'm prepping to enter Gehennom. I've got Mjo, Vorpal, Angelslayer, Firebrand, Werebane, and a +6 mithril dwarvish spear. What's a good weapon combo to shoot for for Cen Val? I can keep camping for the other brand, for the offhand is the Vorpal a good choice? 
11:17 <k3ut0i> Angelslayer
11:17 <krm26> vorpal makes you immune to beheading which is sweet
11:17 <terrapin> mojo/angelslayer has great damage since few things resist them
11:17 <krm26> but angelslayer is the best all-around damage weapon there is skills are comparable
11:17 <terrapin> vorpal is great for demon lords because of the instakill
11:18 <eggandhull> i assume for the beheading resistance you gotta wield it rather than carrying it?
11:18 <krm26> yes
11:19 <eggandhull> An artifact trident that warns of Angels, confers automatic searching and half-spell damage, and does extra fire damage to targets that are susceptible.
11:19 <terrapin> (literally everything is susceptible)
11:19 <k3ut0i> I think all targets are susceptible
11:19 <eggandhull> ^ I don't have trident skills tho. Can try to bump it up. Although the base damage is only 3d4 vs. large, plus a 1d10 bonus?
11:22 <terrapin> that's the same base damage as a standard katana
11:22 <eggandhull> hmm, so i guess i can try mojo/angelslayer for normal monsters, then switch to mojo/vorpal for bosses?
11:22 <krm26> 3d4 vs large is better than 1d12 :-)
11:22 <terrapin> 1d12+1 for steel katanas
11:23 <krm26> (angelslayer is the best one-handed weapon in the game at same-skill imo)
11:23 <krm26> leaves you the loot after you kill something :-)
11:24 <krm26> i think k2 is gonna nerf the infernal fire from damaging infernal monsters tho :-)
11:24 <K2> he is
11:24 <terrapin> :'( how dare you introduce logic and balance!
11:24 <eggandhull> ah trident is capped at Basic for me, so 1 point only
11:24 * K2 gasps
11:25 <terrapin> slashem would never make such a faux pas
11:25 <K2> because its already balanced and perfect
11:25 <K2> just like bhaak
11:25 <K2> :P
11:25 <eggandhull> guys, i thought in vanilla gehennom monsters are fire-resistant??
11:25 <krm26> the trident's fire isn't fire, it is infernal fire
11:25 <eggandhull> wat
11:26 <terrapin> speaking of, should infernal fire be dampened by water? 'cause currently angelslayer doesn't work against submerged targets
11:26 <K2> yeah
11:27 <K2> hmm
11:27 <K2> ... hhmmmm
11:27 <krm26> plenty of things burn under water
11:27 <K2> sodium does not exist in *hack
11:28 <k3ut0i> A trident should be more effective underwater :)
11:28 <terrapin> it has to-hit bonuses vs. swimmers
11:28 <K2> yup
11:28 <krm26> well, not more effective than in ear -- less less effective than other weapons :-)
11:28 <krm26> did i say ear
11:29 <krm26> what is wrong with me
11:29 <krm26> you know, the ear that we breathe
11:29 <terrapin> i'd think a trident in the ear would be pretty darn effective
11:31 <K2> 'Your ear wax deflects the trident!'
11:31 <K2> eww
11:32 <terrapin> e - 81 eucalyptus leaves. giants kicking trees are awesome
11:33 <K2> heh
11:39 <eggandhull> what's this talk about swimming and submerged targets...
11:39 <eggandhull> never swimmed
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11:44 <terrapin> recently it was made so fire (and acid?) damage was greatly lessened/nullified for targets in the water, like eels or sharks or whatever. on a separate note, tridents have a to-hit bonus against monsters with the swimmer flag, which basically means anything you normally find in the water.
11:49 <k3ut0i> Do giants have a bonus when kicking trees?
11:51 <terrapin> giants and centaurs are much less likely to hurt themselves, yeah. makes going through a bunch of trees much less of a headache. 
11:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:665 (0:03:06)
11:53 <k3ut0i> Haa, my dwarf was hurting herself trying to feed the pegasus.
11:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1239 points, T:1319, killed by a fall onto poison spikes
11:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:956 (0:04:13)
12:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had a pair of silver gauntlets entrusted to her by Set, on T:21473 (6:37:20)
12:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21563 (6:40:20)
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12:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a platinum amulet of reflection, on T:7271 (0:39:55)
12:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:8077 (0:45:38)
12:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Odin, on T:78741 (1 day, 2:07:35)
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12:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:80055 (1 day, 2:22:46)
13:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:12329 (1:06:34)
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13:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 39624 points, T:13967, killed by a troll
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13:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:877 (0:04:33)
13:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 222 points, T:467, killed by a small mimic
13:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5259 (0:28:36)
13:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) murdered her faithful large dog, on T:8294 (0:44:16)
14:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) polymorphed her first object, on T:10610 (0:59:53)
14:16 <eggandhull> 81k turns in, no stethoscope or BoH :)
14:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 20815 points, T:10705, killed by a giant mimic
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14:18 <k3ut0i> eggandhull: still trying for the brand?
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14:21 <krm26> what level did you park at, eggandhull? once you get up to 15 or so a player monster will give you a bag of holding, and a player healer will give you a stethoscope
14:21 <krm26> on the other hand, i'm beginning to believe that demogorgon will NEVER give me another demon lord
14:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:82619 (1 day, 2:56:34)
14:22 <eggandhull> YAY
14:22 <krm26> !!
14:22 <terrapin> \o/
14:22 <eggandhull> i have never forged in evil
14:22 <eggandhull> gonna try it
14:22 <krm26> oooo
14:22 <eggandhull> think i spent 30k turns
14:22 <krm26> remember it kills the forge to forge artifacts
14:23 <krm26> so use your most inconvenient forge first :-)
14:23 <eggandhull> what does most inconvenient mean :)
14:23 <eggandhull> is standing on the forge square the way to do it, safe?
14:23 <krm26> yes
14:24 <krm26> if you are gonna do a bunch of forging, then start with the forge furthest from your stash is what i do, so you keep an active forge nearby
14:24 <eggandhull> ic
14:24 <krm26> if the soa is the only thing you will forge than it doesn't matter
14:25 <eggandhull> anything else you'd recommend a Cen Val to forge?
14:25 <krm26> but you might, for example, also want a stack of +7 silver elven daggers for gehennom
14:25 <eggandhull> hmmmm
14:25 <krm26> for any skilled-club class i like a couple of +7 silver aklyses of shock or frost
14:25 <krm26> in case i need to boulder-fort graz'zt
14:26 <krm26> and silver shuriken are hard to pass up for any shuriken-capable class
14:26 <krm26> then you can forge polished or spiked barding for a mount or pet dragon
14:26 <eggandhull> hmm, thought dragon as a mount is slow?
14:26 <krm26> and knights can forge mithril and silver lances which is super-nice
14:26 <krm26> oh i don't ride em
14:27 <krm26> i just let em engulf everything around me
14:27 <krm26> if you arent using dragonbane they are the best
14:27 <krm26> or at least easier to end up with than an elder minotaur or other comparable beast
14:28 <krm26> i'm rocking 3 dragons right now, who, funny enough, started out as shadow dragons and then accidentally polyd into OTHER dragons...coulda been worse but lose a lot of levels to un-shadow
14:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:121803 (1 day, 18:29:51)
14:31 <krm26> oops
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14:37 <k3ut0i> #turn enabled in gehennom is awesome.
14:38 <K2> what role are you playing k3ut0i?
14:38 <k3ut0i> Priest
14:39 <k3ut0i> Mitre
14:39 * K2 nods
14:39 <terrapin> everyone hates on the mitre but i think it's pretty neat
14:40 <k3ut0i> Vampire mages are simply dying as long as I have line of sight. Takes a few tryies to get MR but still good :)
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14:44 <krm26> the mitre is the worst
14:45 <krm26> and #turn is too slow
14:45 <k3ut0i> At lvl30 its just 1 turn
14:45 <krm26> but isn't everything dead when you are 30? i stay 19 until i'm on the ascension run
14:46 <k3ut0i> I was hoping to lure an archon. Lost 2 wishes to get sunsword.
14:46 <k3ut0i> still didn't get it.
14:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:63539 (1 day, 7:06:59)
14:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:63549 (1 day, 7:07:13)
14:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:25073 (8:08:08)
14:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25075 (8:08:26)
14:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:25224 (8:11:54)
15:12 <krm26> k2: when drow using staff of the archmagi you get the nice aura of darkness. BUT, "the staff of the archmagi's radiance penetrates deep into the shadow dragon's flesh!"
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15:15 <K2> wut
15:15 <K2> gdammit
15:16 <K2> added to the tracker
15:16 <K2> bug list is getting kinda big again
15:16 <K2> its mostly little things tho
15:16 <krm26> you think instead the staff should ultra-zap gold dragons when doing its darkness thing?
15:16 <K2> there's only one crash bug on the list currently
15:16 <K2> gold dragons? no
15:16 <K2> no monster is adverse to darkness
15:17 <krm26> i gotta say, it is kinda fun having a bunch of shadow dragons doing ranged instakills on stuff for me
15:17 <krm26> (drow should always be able to sense location of shadow dragons because of our shared shadow affinity)
15:17 <K2> heh
15:18 <krm26> have you ever watched spirited away? for some reason i keep imagining shadow dragons as noface
15:20 <K2> i havent
15:20 <krm26> it is one of miyazaki's (totoro, kiki's delivery service, nausicaa, princess mononoke) films. one of my daughter's favorites
15:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Set, on T:26647 (8:41:32)
15:23 <krm26> couldnt find a good clip on youtube but: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gBfAM2Jpw2U
15:25 <jonadab> I tried to watch Spirited Away at one point but found it to be maybe the most inaccessible of Miyazaki's works that I have encountered.
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15:26 <jonadab> Not that I've encountered a large number of them.  I was really too old for them by the time they came to Western markets.
15:26 <jonadab> But I've seen several of the others and found them more watchable / understandable.
15:27 <jonadab> Heck, Ponyo was easier to follow _in Japanese_ than Spirited Away in English.
15:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:26940 (8:50:53)
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15:36 <krm26> i think his best movie is his first, kaze no tani no nausicaa, although he didn't like it at all (i actually prefer it to his manga that he adapted it from)
15:36 <krm26> and i think tonari no totoro is quite a good movie no matter your age :-)
15:37 <krm26> of course i'm a sucker for animation that isn't afraid to put buttholes on cats
15:37 <eggandhull> why do people kill the Oracle? to get the magic 8-ball for warning?
15:37 <krm26> to squeeze a wish out of it after 10000 turns maybe
15:37 <krm26> i only accidentally kill the oracle with suicide pets when i don't mean to
15:38 <terrapin> slotless warning is pretty great for detecting beholders, plus i'm a giant so they're particularly scary. and i'm chaotic so murder is whatevs
15:39 <krm26> yeah, there are lots of other sources of warning, but the 8-ball is a good one if they arent available. very true
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15:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class P, on T:64432 (1 day, 7:58:12)
15:40 <eggandhull> kk
15:40 <krm26> that's an inexact why of getting green slimes
15:40 <eggandhull> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Forge_(dungeon_feature)#Forging "This requires an active forge, a pair of component non-artifact objects and a hammer of any type or material." -- may need update? since 2 artifacts can be forged
15:43 <k3ut0i> Nausicaa manga was very good. Hard to get that all into the movie.
15:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Cen Fem Neu) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:82878 (1 day, 3:36:22)
15:44 <eggandhull> YAY
15:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) just blew up her Bag of the Hesperides, on T:124015 (1 day, 19:42:52)
15:44 <krm26> heh
15:44 <krm26> dropped a key, yay
15:44 <terrapin> yay/oh no!
15:44 <eggandhull> guess I should two-weapon SoA/Angelslayer ?
15:44 <eggandhull> krm26: :(
15:45 <krm26> it happens to me every 3 or 4 games
15:45 <krm26> doing stuff do fast, drop a key and everything goes into the bag
15:46 <jonadab> krm26: Somewhere in the world there must be someone with a weirder kink, than animated cat buttholes, but I don't think I've encountered them.
15:47 <jonadab> With that said, I did think Tonari no Totoro was easier to get into than Spirited Away.
15:48 <jonadab> At least you can tell what the lead characters' motivations are.  
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16:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:28503 (9:21:50)
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16:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful sea dragon, on T:65572 (1 day, 9:06:37)
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16:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:65744 (1 day, 9:15:36)
16:57 <k3ut0i> Killed Kas by #turning him.
16:57 <k3ut0i> \o/
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17:06 <mobileuser62> haha
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17:13 <eggandhull> Checked nethackscoreboard for a few Val ascensions. Look like many weapon combos. SoA/Sunsword; SoA/Dirge, Mjo/SoA, SoA/Vorpal (terrapin's :D), Grayswandir/spear.
17:13 <eggandhull> Guess people swapped out Angelslayer or just didn't get it?
17:14 <krm26> check the bags!
17:18 <eggandhull> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1687961007.evil.html
17:19 <krm26> see? angelslayer is right there!
17:19 <eggandhull> yea so you preferred Mjo/SoA for that run
17:19 <krm26> well, at the moment i ascended i did
17:19 <krm26> but yeah the extra skill level makes a difference
17:20 <eggandhull> fewer misses?
17:20 <krm26> yup
17:20 <krm26> like i think i used hammer of the gods/angelslayer to fight lucifer
17:21 <krm26> for gate suppression and half spell damage
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18:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "asdfasdf", on T:5626 (0:34:44)
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18:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a steel heavy mace entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:26119 (2:29:28)
18:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a spellbook of reflection given to him by Hermes, on T:26404 (2:30:03)
18:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 8636 points, T:10199, killed by a large dog, while praying
18:46 <terrapin> K2: I was checking out the bug Loggers reported with SoA disintegrating stuff, and I noticed that, for most instakill artifacts, a message for a normal hit is shown if either the attacker or defender can be seen, but an instakill message is only shown if the aggressor can be seen. is that a bug?
18:46 <Loggers_VIII> ughhh I need to go genocide black dragons before I do the quest >:(
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19:16 <dbanethacker> Hi all - just got to the Oracle level and so far I've found 5 wands of cancellation.  Not sure what to do with them all aside from the obvious to create water out of useless potions as well as uncurse items as needed.
19:18 <Noisytoot> don't put them in bags of holding
19:19 <terrapin> it would be one way to get rid of them . . .
19:24 <dbanethacker> Sure.  Any way to store them in a regular bag that I can safely put in a Bag of Holding?
19:25 <terrapin> nope. nesting bags does not work in evilhack. the BoH will always explode
19:25 <dbanethacker> Thanks for that.
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19:48 <eggandhull> is there a handle macro here to look up item description like looking up a monster?
19:48 <eggandhull> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Mjollnir#EvilHack trying to see if Mjo in evil is 1d10 + 1d24 vs large monsters
19:48 <terrapin> '/?mace', just like looking up a monster
19:49 <terrapin> it doesn't do artifacts, though
19:49 <K2> terrapin yeah its a bug (SoA comment from earlier)
19:49 <terrapin> you can also open inventory with 'i' and select an identified item to look up its base type
19:49 <K2> i noted on the tracker what to do to fix it, should be straight forward
19:49 <terrapin> K2 cool
19:50 <eggandhull> oh thx. does mjo have +1d24 damage bonus?
19:50 <eggandhull> tried 'i' it only shows 1d10
19:50 <terrapin> I'm bored so I'm on another minor bugs tear. I'll leave the hard ones for you :)
19:51 <terrapin> eggandhull yes, vs. non--shock-resistant monsters
19:54 <K2> noooo dont leave the hard ones for meeeee
19:54 <K2> :P
19:56 <bouquet> I'm not going to say I'm paranoid or anything, but ever since yesterday my vpn connections have been 56k-modem-slow.
19:56 <K2> uuuugh 
19:56 <bouquet> I'm in Quito Ecuador
19:57 <K2> i remember when getting a 56k connection was a joyous occasion
19:57 <bouquet> I wonder if they're filtering traffic after the assassination.
19:57 <K2> there for business? or pleasure
19:57 <K2> oh yeah...
19:57 <krm26> quito! i was there in like -- uh -- 95? on the way to the galapagos. cool town
19:57 <K2> hah yeah count on it
19:57 <bouquet> pleasure.
19:57 <eggandhull> Is Angelslayer's infernal fire damage bonus 1d10?
19:57 <K2> assume this convo is being monitored
19:58 <K2> i mean the logs are public anyways so whatevs
19:58 <bouquet> well, it's over a vpn with TLS3 and AES256. Nobody mitm or decrypting this.
19:58 <K2> aaah
19:59 <K2> in some countries, the second they detect vpn being used, connection is killed
19:59 <bouquet> so anway, I blame the ecuadorian gubbmint for my last rogue death!
19:59 <eggandhull> Here's what I got:
19:59 <eggandhull> avg dmg calc: below assume +7, vs. large, non-resistant
19:59 <eggandhull> - mjo: 1d10 + 1d24 +7 =  11/2 + 25/2 + 7 = 25 - grants shock resis
19:59 <eggandhull> - SoA: 1d12 +1d12 +7 --> 13+7 = 20 - grants disI resis
19:59 <eggandhull> - Vorpal:  1d12 +1 + 7 --> 14.5 - grants behead resis
19:59 <eggandhull> - Angelslayer: 3d4 +   1d10 + 7 --> 3 * (5/2) + 11/2 + 7 = 20 ???? - confers automatic searching and half-spell damage
20:01 <bouquet> so you may be getting a records request from the fbi, k2 :)
20:01 <terrapin> looks correct, eggandhull
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20:01 <K2> eggandhull, hellfire means a fire resistant target would still take fire damage (half)
20:02 <terrapin> oh, fire resistance is supposed to halve angelslayer's bonus?
20:03 <K2> no not its bonus
20:03 <K2> its damage
20:03 <K2> at least vs the player
20:03 <K2> hmm
20:03 <K2> i first introduced hellfire with barbed devils and their fire attack
20:03 <terrapin> currently angelslayer just does full damage vs. everything
20:03 <K2> yeah
20:04 <K2> their bonus (non fire based) damage does
20:05 <terrapin> i'm thoroughly confused
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20:06 <K2> yup
20:06 <K2> welcome to my brain
20:06 <terrapin> (:
20:06 <K2> see artifact.c line 1314 on
20:07 <eggandhull> K2: so a fire resistnat target will take 3d4 +   1d10 / 2 + 7 damage? (added the /2)
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20:08 <terrapin> you're saying dbon should /= 2 there if the target's fire resistant?
20:08 <K2> no, they wouldnt take any fire damage. angelslayer may share some feedback with a monsters 'hellfire' attack but its not expressed the same way
20:09 <K2> terrapin maybe
20:09 <K2> 'hellfire' hasn't really been fleshed out with angelslayer
20:09 <terrapin> one sec
20:10 <eggandhull> hmm, i'm thoroughly confused now :)
20:10 <K2> evilhack makes artifact_hit() a complicated mess
20:10 <K2> hey eggandhull welcome to my brain as well
20:10 <K2> :P
20:11 <botifico> [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin opened pull request #134: Minor bugs - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/134
20:11 <eggandhull> K2: could you recommend a twoweapon combo for me then, as a first time evil gehenomm adventurer :)
20:11 <K2> although its not quite as complicated as before
20:11 <K2> artifact_hit
20:11 <eggandhull> it just looks like Vorpal is the worst out of the 4
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20:11 <K2> playing valkyrie correct?
20:12 <K2> eggandhull?
20:12 <terrapin> re: the Artifact Messages commit, does the change to angelslayer's spec_dbon_applies make sense? (i'd need to add the fire resistant bit but that's like two lines)
20:13 <K2> looking
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20:15 <K2> oh that's brilliant
20:16 <K2> nice job terrapin
20:17 <K2> doh... used wielding_artifact there when i shouldnt have
20:17 <eggandhull> K2: yea Cen Val
20:17 <K2> eggandhull - SoA + excalibur would be my combo of choice
20:17 <eggandhull> ugh i'm neutral, no Excal
20:17 <K2> if you're looking for most damage output per attack
20:18 <K2> you can use excalibur
20:18 <K2> you cant dip for it (not a lawful knight) but you could certainly use it
20:18 <eggandhull> looks like Mjo deals 25 points on average and SoA only 20?
20:19 <K2> yeah but the SoA can instakill
20:19 <K2> so can vorpal blade for that matter
20:19 <krm26> and mjo doesn't do as well against shock resistant enemies
20:19 <K2> given what you currently have in stock, i'd go with soa + vorpal
20:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1373 (0:10:34)
20:20 <eggandhull> switch to angelslayer for spellcaster targets?
20:21 <K2> i'd swap out vorpal for angelslayer once in purgatory/astral plane
20:21 <eggandhull> kk
20:22 <eggandhull> i guess soa + vorpal gives you the highest instakill prob possible
20:22 <K2> yup
20:23 <eggandhull> purgatory/astral = lots of spellcasters?
20:24 <K2> angels
20:24 <krm26> yeah barrage blasts
20:25 <eggandhull> krm26: oh thx too, how many gehennoms baddies are shock resis
20:25 <terrapin> angelslayer has 10% instakill chance vs. angels, so it's better than vorpal on astral
20:25 <Noisytoot> doesn't using angelslayer on astral mean your guardian angel will be hostile?
20:25 <krm26> ^
20:25 <krm26> angels are also shock resistant
20:25 <terrapin> you get a guardian horse in evilhack
20:26 <krm26> yeah no guardian angel
20:26 <terrapin> it's cooler than it sounds
20:26 <krm26> and high priests are shock resistant
20:27 <eggandhull> thx guys!
20:27 <Noisytoot> is it vs A or vs angels specifically?
20:27 <krm26> A
20:27 <krm26> (i think)
20:27 <eggandhull> sounds like i should just enchant up SoA, Vorpal, Angelslayer and head down to Gehennom?
20:27 <krm26> so yeah ki-rin
20:27 <krm26> oh, you haven't even started gehennom yet?
20:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:3726 (1:07:38)
20:27 <eggandhull> krm26: nope, cleaned up VotD (up to the priest)
20:28 <krm26> i was thinking you were about to go to the planes, my bad
20:28 <K2> <Noisytoot> is it vs A or vs angels specifically? <--- anything flagged as MH_ANGEL. which currently is anything that appears as A
20:28 <krm26> junk in gehennom shouldn't bother you, use vorpal against vorpal jabberwocks, soa against antimatter vortexes and black dragons -- careful with the demon  lords and princes
20:29 <krm26> i'd probably do soa/mjollnir while descending unless i was taking a lot of spell damage from something
20:29 <K2> yeah having vorpal blade wielded is a huge relief weapon
20:29 <K2> purple J? pfft
20:30 <eggandhull> What's antimatter vortex? not in wiki page
20:30 <K2> brb
20:30 <krm26> green v, be very cautious
20:30 <krm26> don't touch it except with the soa (i.e. no dual wield), it will disintegrate stuff
20:30 <krm26> just like a black dragon
20:30 <Noisytoot> touching it with the amulet or invocation items is safe too
20:30 <krm26> so if you dont have soa, it is spells or disposable weapons
20:30 <Noisytoot> if you had no better weapon
20:31 <krm26> well, you can touch it yourself if you have eaten your dr-recommended 2 black dragons
20:31 <Noisytoot> it will destroy gloves/boots if you attack it barehanded/kick it
20:31 <krm26> but antimatter vortexes, unlike black dragons, CAN destroy dragonbane
20:31 <krm26> hand of vecna should be good tho
20:32 <Noisytoot> or wielding a unique item (amulet of yendor or invocation item)
20:32 <eggandhull> SCARY
20:32 <krm26> if this is your first evilhack gehennom eggandhull, i recommend descending blindfolded to each level to spot the demon lords and princes and then immediately /? them to know what you are dealing with
20:33 <krm26> but unless you get an immediate purple & your first fun will be with the vecna branch
20:33 <krm26> -- it isn't mandatory but being drain resistant for that makes it more relaxing
20:34 <eggandhull> ...SCARY
20:35 <krm26> (as an example of what some of the purples are like, today i boulder-forted orcus with 300 max hp, and he had a wand of polymorph and statued my boulders and preceded to lay into me with his rod. i killed him with 150 max hp.
20:35 <eggandhull> "purple" = demon princes?
20:35 <krm26> demon lords and princes
20:36 <krm26> each one has its own unique unpleasant flavor
20:36 <eggandhull> ok, so have drain resistance (which I have) ready, and scrolls of earth + potions of paralysis
20:36 <eggandhull> what's this talk of 'death magic resistance'? i already have refl and MR
20:36 <krm26> yeah i'm a big believer in the power of the oh shit blessed scroll of earth. paralysis less so -- you can't whiff with a scroll
20:37 <krm26> death magic resistance saves you from a cursed wand of death in your face
20:37 <eggandhull> oh, i think someone recommended forging some silver elven daggers for gehennom
20:37 <krm26> that was moi
20:37 <eggandhull> cursed wand of death to my face with refl + MR only = instakill?
20:37 <krm26> you can always retreat and do that if necessary -- like if you get graz'zt and are risk-averse
20:37 <krm26> yeah never zap a cursed wand of death
20:38 <eggandhull> ooo
20:38 <krm26> so you may get the first demon lord on the first level below the valley, but probably not; but the first level WILL have the vecna stairs either way
20:39 <krm26> vecna is big loot pinata > 4 arch-liches and kas > alhoon, liches, and vecna
20:39 <eggandhull> is it recommended to do the vecna branch immediately ? after finishing vecna, get its hand/eye and geno L
20:40 <krm26> i always do vecna as soon as i am able but you don't have to
20:40 <krm26> sometimes the arch-liches and alhoons arent a bother and you don't want the vecna loot -- but infrequently
20:41 <krm26> i usually take 1 uncursed genocide (alhoons), 1 blessed (hoping for both arch and master liches), and a backup if my blessed scroll blows it. i just really don't like teleporters tho
20:42 <eggandhull> kk
20:42 <eggandhull> i may do some alchemy or dancing to bump up my hp to 300 first
20:42 <krm26> take some full healing for vecna to get rid of his withering if it gets too bad
20:43 <krm26> caveat to everything i just said: i'm the guy who blew up his hesperides today, and it is probably the 20th time i've done that
20:45 <eggandhull> kk
20:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:125751 (1 day, 21:48:11)
20:48 <eggandhull> sincce SoA is 'indestructible' i wonder if i can keep reading enchant weapon... :D
20:49 <krm26> no
20:49 <krm26> you can do that with the hand of vecna
20:57 <eggandhull> "
20:57 <eggandhull> Many types of potions will have their effects diminished if diluted."
20:58 <eggandhull> does this apply to potions?
20:58 <eggandhull> *healing potions
20:58 <eggandhull> i've alchemized 6 diluted extra healing, got another stack of 8 normal extra healing. wondering if it's worthwhile to dilute the latter to combine into 1 stack
21:00 <terrapin> pretty much everything is halved (amount healed, maxhp gained). probably best to alchemize the diluted ones to full healing and leave the undiluted ones
21:00 <eggandhull> kk
21:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:126140 (1 day, 22:02:15)
21:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:126145 (1 day, 22:02:27)
21:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:126281 (1 day, 22:04:17)
21:05 <eggandhull> is getting a bunch of tame dragons a common / necessary thing for late games?
21:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the dark elven high priestess of Moloch, on T:126421 (1 day, 22:09:19)
21:08 <terrapin> nope
21:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:126427 (1 day, 22:09:34)
21:08 <terrapin> go krm26!
21:09 <eggandhull> oh interesting, amulet is not with Roney 
21:13 <krm26> book with rodney
21:13 <krm26> take book, bell, candelabrum 
21:14 <krm26> in the sanctum the high priest has the amulet
21:16 <Noisytoot> amulet is not with rodney in vanilla either and has not been for a long time
21:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:126522 (1 day, 22:19:50)
21:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:126551 (1 day, 22:21:58)
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21:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Saint Michael, on T:126712 (1 day, 22:31:06)
21:31 <K2> \o/
21:31 <K2> terrapin was there more to add to the PR or should i pull it? if there is, no rush. just checkin
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21:33 <terrapin> there's more. i just made the PR earlier to make it easier to discuss angelslayer
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21:33 <terrapin> i feel like now that Saint Michael's a unique people kill him more often
21:34 * K2 nods
21:34 <K2> yeah, its more special
21:35 <terrapin> do you know if anyone's gone for the celestial eggs?
21:35 <K2> not that i know off
21:35 <K2> of
21:35 <K2> they're even stronger than a shadow dragon. they dont engulf but can cast spells
21:35 <K2> they would make an excellent steed
21:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:127033 (1 day, 22:37:41)
21:40 <terrapin> is there a verdict on whether hellfire should be blocked by water?
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21:43 <K2> hrm
21:43 <K2> lets talk through it
21:43 <krm26> i dont know, engulfing is a large part of what makes dragons great
21:43 <krm26> (infernal hellfire should definitely work under water)
21:43 <K2> krm26 yeah i agree, i think i'll give celestial dragons their engulf attack next version
21:43 <krm26> if greek fire can do it, if dr phosphorus can do it...
21:44 <krm26> cool celestial buff!
21:44 <K2> so hellfire in my mind is like what the ghost rider would use
21:44 <terrapin> my take on it is that if the flame "burns your soul" it's not really physical
21:44 <krm26> yeah, ghost rider burns under water
21:44 <K2> yeah
21:44 <K2> ok hellfire should work under water
21:44 <krm26> but it will fail on the big demons right?
21:44 <terrapin> cool
21:44 <K2> krm26 yes
21:45 <krm26> cool
21:45 <K2> cuz demons
21:45 <krm26> and non-demon-form infidels?
21:45 <K2> it would still affect them
21:45 <K2> if you're not an actual demon, hellfire hurts
21:49 <krm26> btw, i think you should triple shadow dragon mr
21:49 <krm26> to make them harder to charm
21:49 <krm26> you see the sleaze i'm pulling?
21:50 <K2> :)
21:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:127585 (1 day, 22:53:01)
21:56 <terrapin> K2, there's a comment in find_mac that drow gloves are left out of racial bonus calculations on purpose. what's the verdict there?
21:57 <K2> stays as-is
21:58 <terrapin> same for player?
21:58 <K2> silk gives more ac than leather, racial bonus on top of that i think is too much
21:58 <K2> yeah
22:00 <terrapin> just 1 AC difference, right?
22:00 <K2> well it'd be 2 if racial bonus kicked in
22:00 <terrapin> yeah. got it.
22:00 <K2> hopefully i'm making sense
22:00 <K2> heh
22:00 <terrapin> yup!
22:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:127894 (1 day, 23:02:23)
22:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:127977 (1 day, 23:07:31)
22:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:127977 (1 day, 23:07:31)
22:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:128027 (1 day, 23:10:19)
22:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the saddled White Horse, on T:128031 (1 day, 23:10:34)
22:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 7162895 points, T:128057, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1691321013.evil.html
22:10 <terrapin> \o/
22:12 <K2> wooo
22:12 <K2> congrats krm26!
22:13 <krm26> shadow dragons are addictive pets
22:13 <krm26> i'll be sad when remote engulfing is fixed :-)
22:15 <terrapin> did you ever see anything get successfully remotely engulfed other than vlad?
22:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 9061 points, T:6964, killed by a warg
22:16 <krm26> yup, lots of stuff
22:16 <krm26> vlad was just the most fun
22:16 <krm26> oh wait -- you are right, most of the messages i saw were failures on spectres
22:16 <krm26> or rather, those were the ones i *noticed*
22:16 <terrapin> the remote spectre failure is easy to explain; vlad is more mysterious
22:17 <terrapin> also he jumped to you in one turn, which is weird
22:17 <krm26> and he was engulfed not just at range but through walls and doors
22:17 <krm26> -- when you permaconvert, is it best to do it before or after quest? after i assume?
22:18 <terrapin> i'm inclined to wonder if your pet somehow got displaced out of the closet
22:18 <terrapin> i'd think after, so you don't need to kill the quest leader for entrance
22:19 <krm26> you mean vlad displaced him by teleporting into the closet?
22:19 <krm26> vlad was the only mover, and either way it would be the same remote engulfing
22:19 <terrapin> maybe? i can't think of why that would happen, but vlad's warp was already weird, so . . .
22:20 <krm26> damn, my last 3 ascensions have been bones-free. have people stopped dying or what
22:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2370 (0:25:40)
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23:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3381 (0:37:53)
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23:24 <K2> gnite all
23:25 <terrapin> 'night
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23:37 <Loggers_VIII> grats krm26!!
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23:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a wooden dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:31797 (2:57:13)
23:46 <Loggers_VIII> could you at least have the decency to put it in a stack for me
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23:48 <eggandhull> krm26: oh missed your ascension grats
23:49 <eggandhull> Vorpal Blade shudders violently, but remains whole. <-- hitting a baby black dragon while dual wielding vorpy and SoA. This should be safe right?
23:50 <Loggers_VIII> no don't do that again
23:50 <Loggers_VIII> it's like a 5% chance to disintegrate I think
23:50 <Loggers_VIII> brb
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23:50 <eggandhull> wait wat
23:51 <eggandhull> if I wield SoA only and melee a black dragon, does its passive disintegration affect my worn armor/amulet/ring etc?
23:51 <terrapin> no. unless you punch/kick it only your weapons are in danger
23:53 <eggandhull> kk
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23:56 <Loggers_VIII> yeah the message for hitting something with passive disint with an artifact is kind of misleading
23:56 <Loggers_VIII> I disintegrated gopur once doing that as monk :(
23:57 <eggandhull> oh no
23:58 <eggandhull> can i buy protection from the Moloch priest at VotD
23:58 <Loggers_VIII> yes
23:58 <Loggers_VIII> I think in some variants you can't but in evil it's okay
23:59 <eggandhull> nice