00:06 !tell k2: mild weird thing: you always get a message about the SoA disintegrating something even if you can't see it. So if a monster that's not in your line of sight disintegrates something with SoA, you get the "the deadly blade disintegrates it!" message, even though you can't see it 00:06 No worries, Loggers_VIII, I've got this! 00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57141 (11:14:15) 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:57247 (11:16:37) 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide pair of speed boots", on T:57804 (11:25:54) 00:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:58326 (11:35:17) 00:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59297 (11:46:32) 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:59298 (11:46:39) 00:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:59481 (11:48:29) 00:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) killed the orcish high priest of Moloch, on T:59688 (11:52:04) 00:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:59691 (11:52:07) 00:57 @e?lucifer 00:57 Lucifer (&) | Lvl: 110 | Diff: 66 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire shock poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 99 | Gen: unique | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw wither, 8d8 cast fire, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis 00:58 @e?vlad 00:58 vlad ~3~ flind (h) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical, 1d4 bite physical | Align: -10 | genocidable, omnivore, infravis 00:58 @e?vlad the impaler 00:58 Vlad the Impaler (V) | Lvl: 28 | Diff: 32 | Spd: 26 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d10 weapon physical, 1d12 bite level drain, 3d6 cast spell | Align: -10 | flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis 00:59 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 8685 points, T:7791, killed by a bolt of cold 01:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) killed Lucifer, on T:59918 (11:59:07) 01:04 hahahaha 01:04 disintegrated by guy 01:04 who says pacifist is impossible? 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu) entered Purgatory, on T:59929 (11:59:47) 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 311 points, T:1478, zombified by a kobold zombie 01:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Fem Neu), 1224608 points, T:60004, decapitated by a vorpal jabberwock (with the Amulet) 01:07 lol 01:08 this is what I deserve but... ughhhhhh 01:09 I don't know why I chance the one turn anymore 01:10 one turn next to anything vorpal is really all of your turns thrown in the garbage 01:10 next time I mean business 01:10 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2655 (0:16:38) 01:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2659 (0:16:41) 01:23 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1947 points, T:2805, killed by a piranha 01:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1698 (0:09:56) 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2353 (0:14:39) 01:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:27602 (13:55:04) 01:43 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "adfasdf", on T:3320 (0:19:53) 01:49 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3922 (0:25:35) 01:50 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 4723 points, T:4533, killed by a copper arrow 02:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:178 (0:02:01) 02:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 581 points, T:199, killed by a giant bat 02:26 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:49 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:51 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 02:59 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:02 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:11 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:18 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:23 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 04:01 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 04:09 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "cursed magic marker", on T:15011 (6:23:25) 04:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(full message at ) 07:44 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46 lacca: mr is super-important for any role if you go to deep (you can sometimes get by with poly control instead pre-castle) 07:46 protection is not mandatory, but mr and, arguably, reflection are 07:47 reflection sources: amulet, silver scales, cloak, dragonbane, various quest artifacts depending on alignment 07:47 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 07:47 mr: amulet, gray scales, cloak, quest artifacts 07:48 chaotic roles with a wish, ring of p'hul is an amazing source of mr (+ free action!) until you have to worry about rodney 07:48 for an infidel who needs mr/reflection coverage it is easy to sacrifice bone gauntlets of power for dragonbane (or purity) 07:50 so in summary amulet (reflection or mr), cloak (reflection via scales or mr), scaled armor (reflection or mr), shield (reflection), gloves (reflection), quest chaotic ring (mr), quest trinkets (reflection or mr based on alignment) 07:50 lots of possibilities 07:50 you can also cast the reflection spell 07:51 MY general rule is the earliest source of mr you get, you use, period. secondary priority is free action. third priority is reflection. everything else is negotiable 07:52 srry for wall of text 07:53 thanks krm26! 07:54 -- note that infidel is the only role i have never ascended 07:55 krm26: in evil or in general? 07:55 in evil 07:55 yay 07:55 well, i'm stubborn 07:56 mobileuser is the infidel expert 07:56 > it is easy to sacrifice bone gauntlets of power for dragonbane (or purity) 07:56 what is purity 07:56 s/what is purity/ what is purity?/ 07:56 you can forge purity from dragonbane, it is amazing for spellcasters but slightly less so if chaotic 07:56 * > it is easy to sacrifice bone gauntlets of power for dragonbane (or purity) 07:56 what is purity? 07:56 details in wiki 07:56 gauntlets of purity 07:57 it is crazy good for casters 07:57 thx 07:57 but probably need hooa trix as chaotic to get it 07:57 krm26: what is hooa trix:D 07:58 helm of opposite alignment -- become temporarily lawful 07:58 or, i suppose, permanently! 07:58 not sure how that works with infidel molochiness -- infidels are "special" and i'm no infidel expert 07:58 ah, got it 07:58 sounds like not true unaligned ascension though:3 07:59 * like not a true unaligned 07:59 what your god doesnt know doesnt hurt him 07:59 <3 08:03 another question: where do you get that ton of artifacts? In vanilla I generally don't even try to wish for the 3rd - too low chances to risk a wish 08:03 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:20084 (8:22:21) 08:04 do you just hang out near the altar until the god gives you a load of stuff? 08:04 or do you drink all the fountains?:3 08:05 * of artifacts for forging? In 08:05 and do I understand correctly that I can not gain a shield of reflection that would not mess with spellcasting? 08:07 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:08 oh no loggers :( 08:09 all shields mess with spellcasting. small shields/bracers is minimal, rest its a big hit 08:09 K2: Message from Loggers_VIII at 2023-07-31 00:06 EDT: mild weird thing: you always get a message about the SoA disintegrating something even if you can't see it. So if a monster that's not in your line of sight disintegrates something with SoA, you get the "the deadly blade disintegrates it!" message, even though you can't see it 08:10 oh damn i just read backscroll 08:10 loggers :/ 08:10 from yesterday: terrapin is right, i meant oracle not sokoban. i also noted lacca must have been on the oracle level because it was dl9 and none of the previous levels were oracle 08:10 yeah 08:10 i think we can put that mystery to bed 08:11 make vorpal jabberwocks genocidable you sadist 08:11 i bet it happens in vanilla/variants too 08:11 i'm sure it does, but 5 to 9 must be rare 08:12 ...aw 08:12 !tell Loggers_VIII thanks, I've added that to the tracker. sorry you got decapitated :/ 08:12 No worries, K2, I've got this! 08:12 that's ass 08:13 the tortle instinctively pulls his head inside his shell. the vorpal jabberwock misses! 08:19 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 08:23 still wondering where do you get that ton of wishes to get 2,3,4 artifacts 08:23 for forging 08:26 not just artifacts, the artifacts you need for (whatever) 08:27 i looked at the tortle ascesnions and nearly all of them had ashmar 08:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 906 points, T:1179, killed by a piranha 08:27 you get ashmar from forging ogresmasher and trollsbane 08:28 i suppose they are commonly lying around or something 08:28 Sac gifts are also a thing 08:28 yes. hermes gave me a nice pair of leather gloves 08:29 point being in evilhack in particular there are a LOT of things you can get as a sacrifice gift 08:31 more stories from the execs... 08:31 other than magicbane, pretty much anything that an infidel could want can be gifted 08:31 you see what i posted the other day about my company CEO dropping his phone in the ocean and trying to get email set back up? 08:32 gauntlets of purity would require HoOA like krm26 said, but infidels can't wear them anyway 08:32 I recall 08:32 the off-by-a-letter guy? 08:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1220 points, T:1314, diseased by a dwarf zombie 08:33 same CEO and his sister (who is a senior VP) send an email to my boss and I last night: 's phone only backed up his pictures to his icloud account up to june 22nd. we need to retrieve the remaining data up until his phone was lost. exhaust all resources to recover remaining data 08:33 terrapin yeah 08:34 so i reply back 'unfortunately any data that wasn't backed up is lost along with the phone' 08:34 sister of CEO did not accept that answer 08:34 I would simply just invent time travel 08:34 smh my head k2 08:35 'I dont believe you, i'm confident there's a way to get it. exhaust all resources to retrieve data' 08:35 so I'm currently shopping for a small sub through our work amazon account 08:35 "sure, just retrieve the phone from the bottom of the ocean" 08:35 he typed, forgetting exactly just how galaxy-brained suits actually are 08:35 k2, I heard that there is this company that does guided sub tours 08:35 :) 08:35 banned 08:36 yeah i cant make this shit up. I work for idiots 08:36 🗞 08:36 if it werent for some perks that exist with this job, I would have bailed years ago 08:37 so anyways, my boss isnt in yet, he hasnt seen this exchange probably. waiting to see how he decides to handle it :) 08:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:956 (0:05:45) 08:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 610 points, T:1257, killed by a rothe 08:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:55 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:56 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 08:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 08:56 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:02 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 09:10 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 09:15 -!- lacca[m] has joined #evilhack 09:17 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:22 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 09:29 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bone arrow on an altar, on T:3135 (0:45:00) 09:32 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 09:34 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:35 k2, how deep was the water they were in? i am available for scuba recovery. data MAY really be recoverable if the phone is :-) 09:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2410 points, T:2498, killed by a white unicorn 09:35 they were in the mediterranean right? 09:35 dunno 09:36 overseas somewhere 09:36 i only do air, so 130 feet is my recovery limit 09:36 *ahem* 09:37 i believe *i* am the senior diver here 09:37 yeah you've got 'senior' covered all right 09:38 certified in 1984 09:38 :P 09:38 dive instructor + rescue diver 09:38 i never went in for extra qualifications 09:38 (lapsed) 09:39 i reached dive master as well but those certs are 10+ years lapsed 09:39 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39 i guess i would worry about my bouyancy control now that i am no longer all muscle and bone 09:40 my wife was certified in 1972 09:40 jeez hoth you got me! i was 3 then 09:40 that's her not me 09:40 hothraxxa is older than dirt 09:40 she was the one who got me into diving 09:41 i nearly drowned when i was 15 09:41 i was afraid to go into water i couldn't stand up in 09:41 :/ 09:41 she got me to try snorkelling and once i got used to that, diving 09:42 cue about 2500 dives with the honu 09:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:45 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 09:45 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:53 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 10:06 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 10:09 Status of lacca's ghost (female, chaotic): Level 10 HP 75(75) AC -1, asleep, invisible. 10:09 i knew it would be lacca 10:10 yay 10:10 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) had a blessed wooden aklys entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:3129 (0:23:03) 10:12 there was an altar to moloch. had to be you 10:12 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Orc Fem Una), 1236 points, T:1637, killed by a magic missile 10:14 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 10:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:20 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:21 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) had a blessed copper helm of telepathy entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:3817 (0:38:09) 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Fem Neu) had a pair of cloth gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:4987 (1:47:26) 10:33 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4476 (0:46:04) 10:38 k2, did you see the ASAN realtime option fix btw? 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:5093 (0:51:36) 10:41 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 10:42 i did 10:42 ah good :) 10:43 thanks :P 10:45 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52 i'm concluding that infidel bones suck 11:01 what! no! 11:02 cloak of protection, charging, fire horn! 11:02 hothraxxa concludes that all infidel bones are exactly the same. smh 11:02 some bones suck, some are awesome. role independent 11:02 i thought you said you were experienced? 11:03 :) 11:03 oilskin sack also, worth uncursing 11:04 i think infidel bones suck because infidels curse the shit out of everything 11:04 well this is unacceptable 11:04 krm26: the fire horn was cursed 1:0 and i can't wear the cloak 11:05 anyway i did uncurse a lot of stuff 11:05 cant blame an infidel for you being a tortle 11:06 no i don't. i just think that infidel bones have way more curses stuff than other bones 11:06 cursed 11:06 i'm not even sure that's true? given that open inventory stuff often ends up cursed anyway 11:06 also loggers has put a lot of pressure on me by being unfairly decapitated 11:07 dont play around vorpal stuff 11:07 krm26: yes it does but infidels curse stuff hence more than usual 11:08 also i now have a lot of experience with infidel bones 11:08 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Fem Neu) had a staff of divination entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:6185 (2:34:44) 11:24 nice 11:37 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:7161 (2:59:36) 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:22624 (11:51:07) 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a pair of kicking boots entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:28554 (8:40:38) 11:54 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7338 (3:09:09) 12:00 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 12:05 i hate that you can't tell a statue of a grey fungus from a gray fungus on sight 12:05 k2: italics for statues when 12:09 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Fem Neu), 9797 points, T:8043, killed by an Angel of Athena 12:09 don't convert that altar, i said. just don't 12:09 aww fuck it what have i got to lose 12:10 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:835 (0:27:58) 12:16 https://cdn.geeksandgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/204957/1xlksj9uw6s5fteoyr42ocgkqm73gvnb.png 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1157 (0:30:05) 12:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:30286 (9:14:36) 12:37 well shit 12:37 still getting end of game crashes in that same spot in bones.c 12:39 the oracle one? 12:39 yeah 12:39 but now the crash happens if a regular monster tries to go through your stuff 12:39 i added your little patch and it still crashes 12:40 i have my last game as a test 12:40 i died but it didnt make it to the xlogfile because crash 12:40 is the if (ukiller == mtmp) reverted to if (ukiller) ? 12:41 no 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a shield of mobility entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:31182 (9:27:44) 12:41 you didnt mention that :) or at least i dont remember you mentioning that bit 12:41 no, i don't think i did, sorry 12:41 no worries 12:42 so your suggested patch should look like this then? https://termbin.com/tlub 12:43 yes 12:43 ok thx 12:43 more testing 12:43 MOAR 12:44 ok that works, now testing against a unique like the oracle 12:44 just to make sure 12:44 *all* the testing! 12:45 ok we're good 12:45 i get to re-re-re-re-release 0.8.2 12:46 it sounds like an MC or something hyping something up 12:46 :) 12:46 reeeeeee 12:46 it's t-t-t-time for an Evilhack re-re-re-release! 12:51 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to 0.8.2 [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/8b86348ef367...e12c39ee2ba4 12:51 [EvilHack] k21971 e12c39e - Fix: update to 'ukiller can't be null' fix. 12:51 ^ cbus you want this for hackem, asap. I see one crash in hackem 1.2.0 because of the same bug 12:52 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Mal Neu) had a silver shield of light entrusted to him by Camaxtli, on T:22746 (5:51:15) 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a steel long sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:32044 (9:40:00) 12:53 evilhack updated 12:54 how asap? like master asap or dev asap? 12:54 master 12:54 oki, will fix now 12:54 otherwise quite a few deaths will never be recorded 12:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:32461 (9:45:14) 13:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a steel spear entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:35886 (10:09:31) 13:22 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 13:25 agggh not only no mr at all by end of midgame but my only ring of poly control just got dusted 13:27 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 13:43 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:37611 (10:50:33) 14:04 woop 14:04 fyi next version, the brands are going back to being long swords 14:04 hmmm 14:04 the short sword experiment is over 14:04 not sure how i feel about that 14:04 it just makes short sword a totally junk skill 14:04 counterproposal: make SoA a short sword 14:04 hrm 14:05 other than rogue, what role gets expert in short sword? 14:05 speaking of which, the spear valk is really nice i think for spreading weapon types around -- but giantslayer is a p.o.s. 14:05 and honestly, long sword/short sword should prob just be 'sword' skill 14:05 i REALLY think that trident + spear should be smushed into the same skill 14:05 you beat me to it, that was what i was gonna say next 14:05 giantslayer gives 25 str and knockback res 14:05 long blade, short blade 14:06 (knife+dagger, knife has always been stupid) 14:06 i'm gonna do the scimitar/saber skill merge next version. vanilla did it 14:07 scimatar/saber, long/short, knife/dagger, trident/spear -- nobody would cry 14:07 there would be much rejoicing 14:07 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07 hmm trident is significantly different from a spear 14:07 (barbarian, rogue, samurai, tourist can get to expert in short sword) 14:07 hmm 14:07 yeah i feel like trident should be separate so tortles don't have it too easy :) 14:07 dammit 14:07 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 14:08 i mean, if you insist k2 -- all the pole arms are "different" too, but one skill suffices 14:08 from a game mechanics standpoint i think that simplification would be much appreciated and not at all gamebreaking -- 14:09 well we have time to think on it 14:09 the real difference is honestly javelin vs spear/trident (not that i am advocating for it) 14:10 i guess if a bunch of merges happened, that might ease the pressure on skill slots, which i recall being a concern 14:11 knife, dagger -> dagger, thrown dagger; spear, trident -> spear, thrown spear :-) 14:11 skill slot pressure CAN be a thing in late early + mid game where acquiring various artifacts doesn't help... 14:12 i just got frost brand, but i'm outta skill slots for short sword, eaten by hammer/long sword. too bad that frost brand is now my best weapon and i can't use it :-) 14:13 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 14:14 Isn't that why scrolls of amnesia were tweaked? 14:16 what we really need is more polearm skills 14:20 when you consider the vast weight differences, really mithril and gold should be considered separate weapon types 14:23 i treat gold as statues only of interest to shopkeepers 14:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:25 with regards to skill merging morning star should prob be merged with mace 14:25 Loggers_VIII: Message from K2 at 2023-07-31 08:12 EDT: thanks, I've added that to the tracker. sorry you got decapitated :/ 14:25 lol 14:25 :P 14:25 I'm less mad that I died and more mad that it's no longer a unique death :c 14:26 can armor of retribution be worn by giants? 14:28 nope 14:28 lame 14:32 thx loggers, forgot about mace/morningstar 14:33 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4729 (1:18:54) 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a dented pot entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:39667 (11:26:56) 14:40 mmm dented pot good followup to frost brand thx 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 2804 points, T:3209, diseased by an elf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:43 ughhh floating eye typo >:( 14:43 sneaky little buggers, always hiding around corners 14:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 7120 points, T:5254, burned by an exploding fire bomb 14:46 fire bomb? what was that? 14:48 !lastgame bouquet 14:48 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1690817605.evil.html 14:49 apparently you can get to minetown without killing the goblin king 14:49 yes 14:49 there's always been a way 14:49 trapdoor 14:49 you gotta level tele 14:50 there's a small bug where a trap door can get ya there too 14:50 but its hit or miss 14:50 well here i am 14:50 and? 14:50 how, if you jump in the level above level with stairs to minetown and fall more than one level? 14:50 you can ascend, but wont be able to return 14:52 also, i have yet to come across a shopkeeper that doesn't grudge tortles 14:53 no shopkeeper grudges tortles 14:53 or you mean price-gouge? 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2278 (0:10:24) 14:54 ok. what do you call it when despite you ch 14 they double the price? 14:54 yeah you get gouged 14:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:55 i did not know there was a distinction. what's the difference then, the insults? 14:56 grudging means they attack you 14:57 like if you approach an orcish shopkeeper wielding sting 14:57 that's not a grudge. that's hostility 14:58 grudge = monsters will attack each other on sight. technically shopkeepers don't do this, but the racial grudges (e.g. elf vs. orc) are reflected by price gouging if you are of a race they hate. however, price gouging is more nuanced and extensive. sometimes a shopkeeper will gouge your race even if they don't grudge it, and gouging can have different magnitudes 14:59 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Price_adjustment_matrix 14:59 humans, gnomes and nymphs 14:59 but gnomes and nymphs have their own critera that isnt based on race 15:00 so basically human (and dwarves, oops) shopkeepers wont grudge tortles 15:00 not sure my tortle has met any of those 15:00 can't recall any 15:00 well you're old, I dont expect to you remember 15:01 hell i dont remember things half the time 15:01 thanks k2. takes the pressure off 15:01 who are you? 15:01 i am spartacus 15:01 :) 15:01 no wait. i'm croesus 15:02 i'm connor macleod of the clan macleod 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:44553 (12:00:31) 15:15 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:25 i've never seen highlander 15:26 I heard it totally contradicts the established lore of Highlander II: The Quickening so i've stayed away from it 15:27 the best thing about highlander is queen 15:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:47047 (12:24:07) 15:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:45 lol qt 15:45 there can only be one... again! 15:45 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 15:45 i heard there's a highlander reboot in the works 15:45 i love that movie but i'll admit the story could have been told better 15:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 15:46 I didn't know anything about Highlander II until I just googled it but it sounds really funny 15:47 that they took a fantasy movie and turned into a sci-fi movie set in the future about aliens 15:47 there was a tv show with duncan mcleod of clan mcleod 15:47 if i recall, the main actors did not want to do the 2nd movie, but were bound by contract 15:47 which is honestly a better sequel to the original movie than any of the other movies (while still not rising to the level of "good") 15:47 christopher lambert actually appears in a small number of episodes if i recall 15:47 yup 15:47 most importantly, the tv show keeps the queen 15:51 not game related - so even after expressly stating *twice* that there's no way to retrieve data that wasnt already backed up from the phone that took a swim in the ocean, the same exec keeps asking me 'are you absoltely positively sure?' 15:52 like, do you know something I dont? are you a wizard? 15:52 heh 15:52 i had to erase my first draft reply 15:52 you can demonstrate to the technology to them using paper clips 15:53 i'm not ready to get fired yet 15:53 Y E T 15:53 how do you demonstrate the technology with paper clips 15:53 easy 15:53 bend two paper clips into circles. tell them one is the phone, one the cloud 15:54 take a a picture -- another paperclip -- and put it in the phone circle 15:54 then, say that when they have data, it gets copied -- put a second paperclip there -- and moved to the cloud. move the 2nd paperclip 15:54 now go back a step with just the picture in the phone. sweep them into the garbage. 15:54 ask them to show you where you could get the data from 15:55 sorry you asked? 15:55 (you can demonstrate anything with paper clips) 15:55 it sounds pretty effective honestly 16:01 can you demonstrate the co-equal and co-eternal nature of the Trinity with paperclips? i bet they would have appreciated that in Nicea 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:66362 (1 day, 7:35:24) 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:50105 (12:48:49) 16:02 do you want the consubstantiation or transubstantiation version? 16:03 is there a paper clip Eucharist involved in the demonstration? :) 16:03 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05 Arianism owes its existence simply to the lack of paperclips in that time 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:66724 (1 day, 7:41:57) 16:08 lemme blow your mind: anything you can demonstrate with paperclips, you can demonstrate with intestine and otoliths 16:08 that's how we demonstrated cloud storage back in 3000bc 16:09 krm26 could explain how the universe came to be with just a toothpick, a stick of gum and some belly button lint 16:09 First, God made the paperclip, and then through the paperclip was able to understand, and thus create, the universe 16:09 i think there is something like that in the silmarillion too 16:09 a paperclip... before the universe 16:09 illuvatar and his damn paperclips 16:09 and therefore before paper 16:10 that will be the future religion after the paperclip maximizing ai expands to take over the universe 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7107 (2:14:05) 16:19 i met this paperclip god once. he wanted to help me write a letter 16:28 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:34 qt: Now have the lapsarian debate with paperclips. 16:35 oh great now there's calvanism up in this beeatch 16:36 Bonus points if the paperclips make the lapsarian question seem even stupider than it already is. 16:36 krm26: Nothing wrong with Calvin, as long as you also have Hobbes. 16:37 i love me some hobbes! got a vintage copy of leviathan 16:38 I hadn't ever heard of that before, is it a specifically Calvinist thing? 16:38 (THe problem with Calvin and Arminius, is mostly that their followers tried to make the two mutually exclusive. Which doesn't work, because they come from all of the same passages.) 16:39 qt: Calvin & Hobbes is a comic strip. The author eventually revealed (in the Tenth Anniversary Book IIRC) that Calvin is named after John Calvin, and Hobbes is named after Thomas Hobbes. 16:39 Though I suspect that many folks had already figured it out by then. 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1356 (0:13:14) 16:39 hah I have heard of Calvin and Hobbes, I meant I hadn't heard of "the lapsarian debate" 16:39 qt: yeah lapsarianism and its ilk are calvinist 16:40 Oh, the lapsarian debate. It is... maybe the dumbest debate in the history of theology, because the question is just so fundamentally wrong-headed. 16:40 oh no no no, the competition for dumbest theological debate is FIERCE 16:40 Short version: did God first decide to save some, and then decide to create them, or did he first decide to create them, and then decide to save them? 16:40 you could make a 40-debate bracket 16:41 Which is absurd, because God doesn't think of one thing at a time. 16:41 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:41 But people took sides in the debate and got all worked up about it. For no reason. 16:42 you're saying god is sort of like a multithreaded paperclip 16:42 This was several hundred years ago. 16:42 god loves us all. the guy on the corner handing out pamphlets told me 16:42 Also theologically valid, but incomplete. 16:44 (I say that as if we've said anything _else_ in this thread that's theologically valid...) 16:44 we started watching good omens 2 last night. they discuss this sort of stuff a lot 16:46 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:47 haha, we did too 16:47 jinx 16:47 is that just an original story past the end of the book? or is there a second book? 16:48 no second book 16:48 gaiman and pratchett discussed a possible second book and outlined it before pratchett's death 16:48 and gaiman took those notes and turned it into this 16:48 it's an expansion of ideas gaiman and pratchett discussed before terry passed 16:48 cool 16:48 i think pterry would approve 16:52 aw shit, i'm screwed :( 16:53 got my own bones but the nasty angel of athena is still here and still pissed 16:53 got nothing to deal with it 16:54 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:04 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 17:07 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a copper arrow on an altar, on T:5455 (0:41:35) 17:10 [hdf-us] [evil] SelmaBouvier (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 546 points, T:1318, killed by an iguana 17:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:33 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33 -!- Noisytoot_ has joined #evilhack 17:33 -!- Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot 17:40 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:35618 (9:18:19) 17:52 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 17:54 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:56 heh, accidentally wielded a cursed -2 crystal short sword. It's actually pretty decent. 18:00 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:12 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 18:12 -!- elron has joined #evilhack 18:18 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 18:32 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Mal Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:36771 (9:41:43) 18:42 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:68972 (1 day, 8:48:16) 19:41 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:49 -!- mode/Hecubus [+Ziw] by Hecubus 19:49 -!- osmium.libera.chat changed the topic on #evilhack to: EvilHack: a NetHack variant ¤ https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack ¤ public irc logs available at hardfought.org ¤ version 0.8.2 available for public play on #hardfought ¤ see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack for gameplay information ¤ Bug tracker and future development ideas - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack ¤ https://redd.it/13564zo 19:49 -!- mode/#evilhack [+v Hecubus] by ChanServ 19:49 -!- K2 has joined #evilhack 19:49 -!- mode/#evilhack [+o K2] by ChanServ 19:51 woop 20:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Sioh (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 1241 points, T:2388, killed by a ball of cold 21:10 what is with my luck -- so many consecutive games with absolutely no mr source through mid-game 21:12 and while i loiter trying to address it shocking spheres have destroyed every. single. ring. no more poor-mans-mr-poly-control, no more warning, no more slow digestion 21:12 fjhdfjdshf 21:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided shocking spheres, on T:55306 (13:44:16) 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Hum Fem Law) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:57561 (13:56:43) 21:32 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law), 558663 points, T:85887, killed by Mephistopheles 21:32 :( 22:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Sioh (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3822 (1:07:43) 22:06 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law), 2272 points, T:3945, zombified by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Sioh (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) averted death (killed by the Goblin King), on T:4831 (1:18:32) 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Sioh (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 3215 points, T:4833, killed by the Goblin King 22:37 this seed is like full moon fever all the time. Everything is out to get me 23:40 -!- nabbi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:23765 (3:49:54) 23:57 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 23:57 hola 23:57 Hello Loggers_VIII, Welcome to #evilhack 23:58 o/