00:00 presumably 00:00 also, if you don't talk to twoflower at the end of the quest you can abscond with the card and come back later 00:00 Loggers_VIII did you log back in to check? 00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:70018 (1 day, 1:19:30) 00:01 yep, looks good now k2 00:01 thanks again! 00:01 sweet 00:01 gnite all 00:01 night! 00:02 night 00:02 Goodnight! 00:04 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of dark elven gloves entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:36698 (5:55:35) 00:05 arghhh I want a BoH so badd 00:05 I might go insane and make a stash or something 00:07 is a gray elf considered a same race sacrifice if I'm a drow? Guessing yes, since all the various giants count as same race when playing a giant samurai. 00:07 yes 00:07 all elf and drow monsters count as same race 00:08 and driders, if you're drow! 00:08 though if you're chaotic, same race sac is good so there's that 00:09 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:11 -!- alivernine has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:11 stillt rying to sac for the two brands 00:13 can neutral receive the two brands from sac? 00:13 They're unaligned, so 00:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:17 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 00:19 ohoh first time in ice queen's 00:19 what're you using, weapon-wise? 00:21 blessed +6 Vorpal Blade (weapon in hand) 00:22 is ac -43 enough to melee medusa the usual way? 00:22 do not melee medusa 00:22 just don't do it 00:23 she'll stunlock you with stoning 00:23 ok 00:23 so daggers then 00:23 daggers, wands, or patience and reflection all work wonders 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:28434 (3:50:16) 00:29 yay slow digestion and free action :) 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:28658 (3:55:10) 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:28658 (3:55:12) 00:32 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:71450 (1 day, 1:50:47) 00:35 silv dragon didn't leave scales sigh 00:36 :( 00:36 tons of them spawn there so you can prolly farm 00:36 so i'm levitating what happens if i move to an "air" square in the ice queen's realm 00:36 plus the fortress has a ton 00:36 nothing 00:36 last time i died a promising character there 00:36 oh nice 00:37 you just travel onto it 00:37 levitation and flying make it totally safe 00:37 yeah it's a shame there's no paranoid air setting 00:37 Woolly mammoths.... 00:37 though k2 did make the enter-level message extra clear about the lethality after so many people typoed in 00:37 first time encounter 00:38 they're nasty 00:38 @e?woolly mammoth 00:38 woolly mammoth (q) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 10 | Res: cold | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 6d6 butt physical, 1d8 hug physical, 6d6 butt knockback | Align: 0 | genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravis 00:38 don't melee it i guess? 00:38 melee damage isn't as high as snow golems, but they're still dangerous 00:39 your AC is good but your HP is lower than I'd recommend. You should probably do castle before you try and do the last level of ice queen 00:40 Vorpal Blade beheads the saddled woolly mammoth! nice 00:40 ok! 00:40 hah love to see the beheads 00:41 ice queen hits with acid blast 00:41 you can usually finish her with 4-5 blessed fire scrolls 00:41 i have a alchemy smock, but it would mean taking off my CoMR 00:41 the ice queen fight has a way of spiraling out of control if you don't just blast her with fire 00:42 a pot of full healing or two is enough for acid blast before you can get into melee range 00:43 but if you do a pure melee fight you gotta fight her, who's already quite strong, plus bourbon and ozzy, and probably at least one snow golem she summons 00:43 'sa mess 00:43 another thing eggandhull... I suggest lev/fly whenever over ice in the icequeen realm. Enemies will read ?oFire or blast fire wands and you'll suddenly drown when the ice under you melts 00:43 or wear water walking, I guess. 00:44 or magical breathing 00:44 bouquet: great point!!!! i always suspect that 00:44 thx 00:44 My purpose in life is to serve as an example to others :P 00:45 oooh another silv dragon 00:45 dagger storm 00:45 acid res is pretty important with ice queen. She'll knock half your HP off if she gets a good blast. 00:45 otherwise, she's harmless at distance. The dogs are a bigger problem. 00:46 you can get by without acid blast but it usually comes at the cost of playing like me which is almost always harmful 00:46 I wish the dogs wouldn't instantly become un peaceful when you attack her 00:47 it kind of defeats the purpose of fighting them at all 00:47 *without acid resistance 00:47 no scale lol 00:48 if you have a wand of create monster you can probably summon one the next level down. They're pretty common in this branch. 00:49 dang... you're a dagger fiend. 00:51 do you want my strategy for medusa? 00:51 yes 00:51 oh man gray dragon in medusa, i may lose all my daggers in water 00:51 block the door with a boulder and kill her from range. 00:52 sleep wand her so she doesn't move. 00:53 break a leg! I'm audi5000. 00:53 @e?medusa 00:53 Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Align: -15 | omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravis 00:53 whoa thassa lotta daggers! 00:54 well how do you do range attacks as a melee role 00:54 I don't 00:54 or I learn magic missile :p 00:55 to be clear, it's better to hoard a bunch of daggers but I just can't be bothered 00:57 yay gray scale 00:57 \o/ 00:57 @e?gray dragon 00:57 gray dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 breath magic missile, 4d8 bite physical, 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 2d10 engulf digest, 0d0 passive cancellation | Align: 4 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 00:58 gray scales are the best for non-drow characters IMO 00:58 !lastgame lacca 00:58 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1690388478.evil.html 00:59 oh hell yeah, loaded bones 01:00 i already have orange-scaled +0 dragonhide armor. should i find another good base armor to fuse it on? 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Idolatress, on T:30224 (4:16:20) 01:00 you can re-scale it 01:00 just enchant the scales while wearing the armor and it'll go from orange to gray scaled 01:02 kk 01:02 i'm also scared to nurse dance now because after crowning lots faster monster gen 01:03 just do it in soko it'll be fine 01:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:30618 (4:24:06) 01:08 as badass as that is I already have the funny staff 01:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon named Guy Montag", on T:30788 (4:26:03) 01:10 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:16 never played Healer. guess it's getting pets to kill everything in early/mid game? 01:20 Depends very much on what you find 01:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 01:21 eggandhull I do pretty good damage on my own but I like the idea of having a buddy along for the ride 01:21 couldn't really think of anything else to wish for 01:22 and this is one of few games where I'm not maining stormbringer as my weapon 01:23 oh nice throwing vorpal to get rid of the e 01:24 yeah wasn't expecting that to work, lol 01:31 hmm.. found a level that's def a bones, but no ghost to be found 01:32 Statue? Undead? 01:32 Slime? 01:33 thinking probably lava 01:33 there were a buncha cockatrices but I think they were unrelated 01:33 !lastgame nabru 01:33 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1690334364.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1683120838.evil.html 01:34 !lastgame tau 01:34 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tau/evilhack/dumplog/1690250596.evil.html 01:37 !lastgame nightsorrow 01:37 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nightsorrow/evilhack/dumplog/1690495670.evil.html 01:39 i give up 01:48 hahahaha I got titan medusa and guy montag touch of death'd it :) 01:49 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:32820 (4:52:17) 01:55 Oh wait 01:55 Archons can stone to flesh, right? 01:55 yep 01:55 sick 01:55 I was so worried about him getting stoned by medusa that I almost forgot to put on my towel before fighting her 01:56 he casts reflection but I guess I was worried it would run out at a horrible time and she would stone him 01:58 -!- alivernine has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:00 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 02:02 that's what stone to flesh is for! 02:04 yea but the stone gaze is instant 02:04 so you guys recommend gray-scaled mail right? deepest i've been so far is medusa 02:05 not worried about canceling precious armor's enchantment since it's easy to enchant it back up? 02:08 I think gray scaled is the best for you 02:08 magic resistance and cancellation resistance is a combination that's really hard to beat 02:09 ok here we go 02:09 reflection is not even that important IMO if you genocide gray dragons (which, btw, you should) 02:09 *black dragons 02:10 nice 02:11 why should i geno black if i have reflection? 02:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 Gray dragon scales", on T:26032 (4:44:06) 02:11 is it true that in evilhack reading enchant armor will always ask to select which worn armor to enchant? 02:12 if you've ID'd enchant armor, yes 02:12 I love that change 02:13 pretty scary haha 02:18 bouquet: hmm don't have earth scroll to do the boulder thing for medusa 02:20 you'll probably kill her before she gets to the door 02:21 but just in case, kick down the door leading out so you can escape quickly on the diagonal if you need to 02:22 ugh I got vanilla castle 02:23 k 02:24 death ray hits and Some of it reflects from your medallion! You feel a little drained... 02:25 ah, perfect! 02:25 you can zap that at medusa 02:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Aphrodite, on T:26484 (4:58:21) 02:29 throwing Mjollnir is now my fav way of dealing with dragons 02:30 I don't think I've ever thrown medusa 02:30 *mjollnir 02:30 jesus I need to go to bed 02:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:33328 (5:04:50) 02:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed +2 grayswandir", on T:33350 (5:05:49) 02:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:33354 (5:06:05) 02:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic lamp", on T:33355 (5:06:14) 02:34 got to castlle, new layout 02:34 the permalight hater himself wishes for magic lamp... what has the world come to 02:34 which one 02:35 lava or water 02:35 let me see 02:36 cannot tell 02:37 like, is the liquid all lava or all water 02:37 oh I see it's the water one 02:37 is it bad or good 02:37 there's some secret doors leading out of the maze 02:37 I hate it 02:38 suuuuuper annoying 02:38 yea 02:49 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:73543 (1 day, 3:08:38) 02:51 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:56 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 02:56 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 02:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:59 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:30128 (5:34:13) 03:03 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 03:12 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:24 -!- hackemslashem2 has joined #evilhack 03:27 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34 -!- hackemslashem3 has joined #evilhack 03:37 -!- hackemslashem2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:39 -!- hackemslashem3 is now known as hackemslashem 04:13 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 04:17 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:27 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 521 points, T:1551, killed by a lesser homunculus, while sleeping 04:49 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:58 !tell K2: We found a weird bit with the realtime options. https://github.com/elunna/hackem/issues/408 04:58 I'm on it, hackemslashem. 05:10 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 05:11 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:4372 (0:43:48) 05:14 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:38 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6264 (1:10:37) 05:49 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 05:53 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:56 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:25 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:25 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:10232 (1:57:45) 06:30 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest5291 06:30 -!- Guest5291 has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 06:30 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:45 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:52 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 06:56 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:12 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 crystal plate mail", on T:10634 (2:44:54) 07:15 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:21 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:10840 (2:53:24) 07:27 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Devteam_member 07:27 your surprise :B 07:27 @ K2 07:33 morning 07:33 K2: Message from hackemslashem at 2023-07-28 04:58 EDT: We found a weird bit with the realtime options. https://github.com/elunna/hackem/issues/408 07:34 morn 07:34 hahah 07:34 nice 07:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 07:44 Umbire nice entry for the archbishop of moloch as well 07:59 Thanks 07:59 K2: the imbued Idol removes the spellcasting restriction and... what else? 08:01 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:02 see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#New_player_roles (infidel) 08:03 'Once the Idol is imbued with the power of the Amulet, Moloch gains control over its power and suppresses the spell power draining and non-hit point regeneration effects (teleportation is still suppressed while holding the Idol).' 08:03 right duh 08:03 thanks 08:06 And does it still randomly generate major demons or no 08:09 ? 08:09 no it never did 08:10 it basically acts like a inexhaustible figurine 08:11 so if blessed you can create demon pets 08:11 if cursed, it can randomly generate demons 08:11 that's still true after imbueing 08:12 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 08:12 that's what I was thinking of 08:12 and I forget peaceful/tame/hostile ratios for that case 08:16 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:18 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Tomsod/YANIs_and_patches/Infidel#Quest_artifact 08:18 yes, I adapted most of my current draft from that 08:18 it just says "much like an ordinary figurine" so I suppose the ratios are the same 08:19 as in mostly-hostile ones then? 08:19 80% hostile if cursed, yes 08:20 seems pretty inconvenient 08:20 tame ones would be nonsense granted, but hm 08:20 ah well 08:21 well, you can bless the Idol 08:21 then you have 80% chance of a tame pet when applied 08:21 yeah but you're an infidel 08:21 ah... 08:22 you see my quibble now I hope :B 08:22 granted I don't think it's necessarily urgent 08:22 just a bit weird to parse upstairs 08:22 I haven't thought about non-Infidels wishing for the Idol 08:22 rereading... 08:22 chaotics can do it for magic res and might want the demon pets as a bonus, yeah 08:26 what happens if you pick the wrong high altar to invoke it on once you hit Astral? 08:27 by heart I say: 08:27 you get hit by wide-angled disintegation beams 08:28 oh it says on the Tomsod page 08:28 "Guessing the altar wrong will subject you to the relevant god's wrath, including a wide-angle disintegration beam." 08:35 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 08:35 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 08:52 can take it for granted the Idol blasts chaotic roles that apply it? 08:57 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 09:00 I suppose normal intelligent artifact rules apply 09:01 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Idol_of_Moloch 09:13 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 09:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2189 (0:20:52) 09:45 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Dro Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:913 (0:05:56) 09:45 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Dro Fem Una) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:985 (0:06:14) 09:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:56 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:01 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:06 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Lolth, on T:73269 (1 day, 5:48:28) 10:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 10:12 holy crap how have i never noticed this before 10:12 this is why I alway get burdened and then unburdened again when forging! it all makes sense now 10:12 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:13350 (4:10:48) 10:13 k2: ammo weight isn't adjusted when forging uses some of a stack 10:13 z - 6 crossbow bolts (10 aum) <-- after forging two clubs with 4 of the bolts 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Gia Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4476 (2:05:36) 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 188632 points, T:32156, killed by a snow golem, while moving through the air 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:73897 (1 day, 6:01:04) 10:20 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:14042 (4:18:17) 10:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6798 (1:03:02) 10:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:6857 (1:03:16) 10:24 off 10:24 thanks terrapin, added that to the bug tracker 10:25 ooof not off heh 10:30 hmm...with no disintegration resistance, is engulfing by an antimatter vortex instadeath? or just if you strike them? 10:30 oh, and another thing: if you drop several steel arrows one at a time, they each add 1aum to the stack on the floor, so picking them up again gives increases their weight 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had an oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:14735 (4:29:19) 10:34 krm26 i'm pretty sure it'll disint you eventually if you hang around inside of it 10:34 if your disint res is less than 50% 10:35 it's kind of like a digestion attack where when the swallow timer ticks down far enough there's a good chance you'll be disintegrated 10:35 but it doesn't do any damage until those last few turns 10:36 also a shield/body armor will protect you like it does against black dragon breath, oddly enough 10:36 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:36 well not oddly :) you're like an onion with layers 10:37 how many licks does it take to get the the center 10:38 heh 10:38 just a poor monk trying not to break 19 10:38 :P 10:38 krm26 is just a squirrel, trying to get a nut 10:39 yes... that was awful 10:40 found a locked box, with a key on top of it, and inside was -- a wand of locking 10:40 i feel like my quest is on rails now 10:41 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:42 yani: spellcasters who find a spellbook should read it and gain the ability to cast the spell. gnome wizard with finger of death! orc shaman with cancellation! 10:43 that's a thing in fiqhack 10:48 dammit i am too squishy to farm demon lords. lame giant ac 10:48 going to have to do a teeny race extinction 10:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:75112 (1 day, 6:31:02) 10:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) murdered her faithful giant spider, on T:41351 (6:35:30) 11:00 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 11:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19819 (9:46:15) 11:09 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 50995 points, T:20173, killed by a tortle shaman, while paralyzed by a monster 11:18 vault guard shows up in about 6 turns 11:21 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 11:28 krm26: drain yourself to XL1 and buy 20 points of protection 11:29 i've got my protection 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Fem Neu), 2039 points, T:2649, killed by a couatl of Athena 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 5772 points, T:4463, killed by a gnomish wizard 11:41 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1262 (0:24:19) 11:47 You hear a door open. 11:47 how come i never hear a door close? 11:49 because nobody ever closes a door 11:49 i know. very impolite don't you think? 11:49 you never hear anyone washing their hands in a sink either 11:50 even after you hear a toilet flush 11:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16151 (2:26:47) 11:51 maybe they just lick their hands clean 11:52 this is what gelatinous cubes are for 12:03 so on dlvl 2 there is a room with only one exit that is large enough to be a shop but isn't. there are no shops on this level 12:03 * hothraxxa is disappointed in k2 12:03 there should be a shop 12:04 dammit, k2 really f'd up this release, didn't he! 12:04 what a dick 12:04 whoever that k2 guy is 12:04 he's probably canadian 12:05 :D 12:05 hm. i wonder if i stepped on every square 12:05 sorry 12:05 hmm that didnt feel right 12:05 goblin town portal can be on dlvl 2 right? 12:05 yes 2 or 3 12:05 NOT on same level as stairs to mines 12:06 i have to go back and check that 12:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 65483 points, T:17610, killed by an air elemental 12:06 periodically you're hear noise about a war party, etc 12:06 i know, but that's not guaranteed 12:06 k2, does that contain a lot of bugles? 12:07 ? 12:07 a war party :) 12:07 heh 12:07 war => soldiers => bugles 12:07 no portal 12:07 this is a failure 12:09 no you're not a failure hothraxxa, stop saying that 12:11 heh you hadnt even finished searching lvl 3 yet 12:11 there ya go 12:11 yay fudd 12:14 same thing for dl3. shop sized room, one exit, no shop 12:14 i did not think that was possible 12:14 lol 12:15 thats not uncommon... 12:16 well yes it is, in any other variant 12:16 no hothraxxa 12:16 several variants as well as 3.7 have vaults or themed rooms 12:17 i'm sorry your big room wasnt a shop. would you like to speak with a manager? 12:17 yes they do 12:17 otoh i am speaking from experience, of which i have some 12:17 ok 12:18 i'm literally seeing 'why isnt this big room a shop?' 12:18 no, it's just an eligible room 12:18 ok.. ? 12:19 when i explore dlvl 2 or 3 and find a suitable shop room, i'm happy because i kn ow i'll find a shop on that level 12:19 i can't recall that failing me 12:19 before now 12:19 um 12:19 there's no guarantee of a shop in any sized room 12:20 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 12:20 no there's a minimum size for a shop 12:20 ok sure but that doesnt mean a larger room will have one 12:20 that's never been a thing, ever 12:20 in vanilla or any variant that i know of 12:21 it's almost inevitable that if there is another room that could be a shop, it will be 12:21 again, no 12:21 on 2 or 3 12:21 hmm no sorry 12:21 ok. as i said, experience 12:22 yeah i have no idea what i'm talking about :) 12:22 apparently neither do i 12:22 evilhack must have nerfed shops! 12:22 didn't say that. said the odds were much against this 12:22 the odds have not changed 12:22 huegly much 12:23 you have a case of variant paranoia again 12:23 didn't say they had. saifd they were against 12:24 alright 12:24 k2, it is not paranoia if everything is out to get you 12:25 hothraxxa, hackem 1.2.0 is coming "soon" 12:26 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 12:26 cool 12:26 it will have shops 12:26 yeah maybe you'll find all your shops there 12:26 haha 12:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:2407 (1:08:28) 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:46313 (7:50:04) 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4073 (0:52:59) 12:28 i'll just die here trapped by a floating eye 12:29 this wouldn't happen in any other variant, pretty sure 12:29 rofl 12:29 thats how evil evilhack is 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 517 points, T:4926, killed by a large spider 12:30 hothraxxa you mentioned you had experience on your side? I have code on mine. mkshop() and pick_room() virtually identical between evilhack and vanilla 12:31 i know, right? shows how long those odds were 12:31 k2, I might have a stab at the realtime ASAN crash thingie 12:31 if I manage to solve it I will ping you with commit 12:31 thanks 12:32 but now celebrating the release with some habanero chips and a glass of rose wine :) 12:32 hothraxxa you quit? 12:32 you could have gone into goblin town and found all sorts of food 12:36 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 12:37 that's not really a shop 12:37 its a figment of your imagination 12:37 :P 12:38 there we go. dlvl 2, shop sized room with one exit, mallwyd's quality apparel and accessories! 12:38 he dont like you 12:39 i didn't quit. i got trapped in a long corridor with two boulders on one end and a floating eye at the other. couldn't kill the eye and eventually a spider killed me 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:46915 (8:01:38) 12:39