00:01 Nice job terrapin - I always hear folks giving advice to not go against Kas cuz he's too tough to beat. 00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:13174 (2:05:58) 00:02 several +6 silver daggers and -64 ac say otherwise! 00:02 It takes a lot more than what you have by the time you can first access him 00:02 but yeah, he's probably not worth the hassle usually considering it's pretty easy to avoid him 00:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Pri Dro Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:1177 (0:05:32) 00:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Pri Dro Mal Cha), 1611 points, T:2436, quit 00:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 640 points, T:2698, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1985 (0:05:16) 00:36 huh, shk just let a drow zombie make her sick without retaliating 00:36 lucky, I guess 00:36 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:39 before that was fixed finding empty shops was common. 00:40 Yeah the luck involves actually landing the hit in the first place, then proccing illness 00:41 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 00:43 god, I fucking hate evil's zombies 00:43 why did I ever stop playing convict 00:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 4992 points, T:2936, diseased by a drow zombie 00:44 yes, tortle healers are famed for their smooth playing experience :P 00:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 00:44 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:45 I won't tolerate tortle hate in this channel >:( 00:47 has anyone won tortle healer, anyway? 00:47 nope 00:48 huh 00:49 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest4630 00:49 doesn't seem too bad 00:49 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:49 healing is very powerful 00:51 yeah early on at least they feel pretty nice aside from zombies. i wonder if they struggle later though---both tortles and healers aren't great at late-game offense 00:52 -!- Guest4630 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:52 zombies probably won't be a problem since healing spells damage them 00:53 I just conveniently forgot that earlier and by the time I remembered they already ate the spell out of my mind 00:54 prolly early game trident will be very good 00:54 late game... god help ya I guess 00:55 wait waddahell I thought healing spells damaged zombies 00:55 I was Wrong™ 00:56 just cure sickness i think :( 00:56 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven chain mail entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:5966 (1:20:56) 00:56 damn :< 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) just blew up his Bag of the Hesperides, on T:70387 (1 day, 3:02:37) 01:00 D: 01:00 sonuvaBITCH 01:03 nooooo 01:07 it seems i have the dubious honor of finding a way to destroy the Sword of Annihilation 01:09 the sword was in the bag??? 01:09 i fat-fingered a comma and dumped everything in my bag 01:09 had an emergency cancellation wand i was carrying around :( 01:10 that is extremely fucked up 01:13 are you going to quit? 01:14 ohh 01:14 nah 01:15 nice 01:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 12817 points, T:8227, killed by a touch of death 01:15 i think this is it for tonight though. 'night all! 01:15 go for a magic 8 ball wish to fill out anything missing from your kit? :) 01:15 night o/ 01:16 haha no way! 01:16 ugh. Found my old bones with the mines arch lich and angel. 01:16 my castle wand got emptied by a soldier but i have found 4 magic lamps so it evens out 01:16 heh 01:17 rip bouquet 01:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +3 Dragonbane", on T:15865 (3:26:24) 01:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3204 (0:14:39) 01:26 oh fun marker 01:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:30 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 silver darts on an altar, on T:4788 (0:23:33) 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:53380 (16:24:44) 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:53382 (16:25:05) 01:59 oof no half spell damage 02:00 yep 02:00 but you get a sick earthquake on the invoke 02:02 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) completed his quest without incident, on T:53658 (16:30:06) 02:02 i hope that doesn't shake the ice below me 02:03 still bummed a random shocking sphere destroyed my conflict ring 02:03 now i carry a tele wand in open inventory to zap at them 02:03 You can also put them to sleep or slow them 02:04 honestly just learn magic missile 02:04 or cone of cold or something 02:10 too much armor on valk to cast 02:10 meh by the end of midgame you should have largely non metallic armor 02:11 in evil, anyway 02:20 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Rat King, on T:17907 (3:53:38) 02:23 Armor isn't the problem with valk casting anyway 02:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide helm of speed named Gustavo: Back for Blood", on T:10981 (1:00:58) 02:31 -!- eggandhull has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (black dragons), on T:12405 (1:15:54) 02:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a golden naga, on T:12532 (1:18:06) 02:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a steel mace entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:13586 (1:20:08) 02:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) had a club entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:14058 (1:21:50) 02:44 bro I just want luck 02:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:15605 (1:25:05) 02:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:56 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:09 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 03:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:28 -!- alivernine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:43 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:25018 (5:15:57) 03:59 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:34 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:30319 (6:07:11) 04:42 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:31776 (6:15:22) 05:08 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:17117 (1:42:43) 05:09 just two blasts of magic missile was all it took :) 05:09 that guy's usually such a pain 05:10 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest6039 05:10 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:14 -!- Guest6039 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19031 (1:59:59) 05:26 stone was in the teleroom, mean 05:26 great loot in there though :) 05:33 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 05:33 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:33 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:36 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:45 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:35809 (7:18:38) 05:52 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2504 05:52 -!- Guest2504 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 05:52 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 05:57 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:07 -!- krm26 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 06:14 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:37494 (7:47:10) 06:30 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:17 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:35 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:40609 (9:08:12) 07:35 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40611 (9:08:17) 07:39 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) completed her quest without incident, on T:40953 (9:12:12) 07:42 omg terrapin :/ 07:43 wait... the SoA shouldnt have been destroyed, just tossed 07:43 only potions and other glass objects should have been destroyed 07:48 Also destroys 1/13 of contents 07:49 and v. unfortunately it appears to have included the SoA 07:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) had a pair of steel gauntlets entrusted to her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:41089 (11:17:15) 07:49 which it turns out was not covered 07:49 (so seems the case anyway) 07:52 aah 07:53 yeah ok that's just dumb luck 07:53 so... 07:53 handling of indestructible objects was never covered during boh blowing up because every other indestructible object, you cant put into a container (AoY, invocation items) 07:54 easy enough to add handling for that 07:56 added to bug tracker 07:58 good 08:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:09 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 08:10 !tell eggandhull I believe applying a stethoscope to shambling horror (or zapping probing at it) will also make their stats available in the monster lookup 08:10 eggandhull shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, mobileuser. 08:14 lies! 08:21 really? 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:44409 (9:57:30) 08:26 oh dear, have I confused this with hackem? 08:28 no i was kidding 08:28 lies! 08:28 :P 08:28 honestly i've never etsted that in evilhack 08:28 *tested 08:28 lol I can't actually find the evilhack commit for that 08:29 (in hackem I see a commit) 08:29 oh so in hackem they specifically did a thing 08:29 https://github.com/elunna/hackem/commit/6e9bacf66c8f7b066a5678f3be413284eb8d1280 08:29 i see 08:29 so factually... lies! 08:29 so extremely logical I just assumed evilhack had it too 08:30 yeah evilhack does not have that, they made a new bitfield in you.h 08:31 !tell eggandhull sorry, in evilhack you really have to kill the shambling horror. I was confusing it with Hack'EM. 08:31 Will do, mobileuser! 08:31 :P 08:32 i really need to buckle down and get to work on druid 08:32 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2637/medium 08:33 heh 08:33 replace 'medium' with 'source' in that link to make it be animated 08:33 oops https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2637/source 08:33 yeah :-) 08:33 heh 08:33 FULL ANIMATION 08:33 i wish the gallery handled animated gifs in any mode 08:34 not sure why it doesnt 08:34 i could ask the mod author 08:34 god i love that skit 08:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:359 (0:03:12) 08:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed the invisible k3ut0i's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:1031 (0:08:56) 08:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Aphrodite, on T:1504 (0:13:50) 08:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2541 points, T:1590, poisoned by Aphrodite's rotted corpse, while praying 08:53 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Hum Fem Law), 469529 points, T:45267, fell to her death 08:54 F 08:54 !lastgame 08:54 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k3ut0i/evilhack/dumplog/1690293799.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1690374958.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1690196462.evil.html 08:56 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) had a quarterstaff entrusted to her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:45153 (12:37:13) 09:12 krm26 - https://preview.redd.it/2vd2lfbvd8eb1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=013a62c91ab91024a0417dce6f42a0af778b00a0 09:13 i'm reading a thread about how if major insurers are pulling out of an area, no one should be living or working there 09:13 :/ 09:14 https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/159t1ri/were_fucked_arent_we/ 09:14 actuaries are commenting on this thread, basically saying 'dont live in florida' 09:14 come be my neighbor 09:31 is *peopletwitter subreddits changing to some alternative now that most people can't casually use twitter anymore? 09:35 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4746 (0:38:03) 09:44 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:44 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:48 aosdict I dunno 09:48 you meant to say X right? not twitter? :) 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:47588 (13:21:27) 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47600 (13:21:54) 09:55 woo go krm26 09:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 184 points, T:81, killed by a gas spore's explosion 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) completed her quest without incident, on T:48121 (13:26:58) 10:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 281 points, T:565, killed by a small mimic 10:00 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 10:01 I got revenge on the elder minotaur that killed my previous tourist. 10:02 Zapped him with a wand of poly to turn him into a FAR less threatening ogre king, then killed him. Unfortunately this also polymorphed my bones stash to uselessness but DAMN was that cathartic. 10:02 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 10:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Aphrodite, on T:909 (0:04:18) 10:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2573 points, T:1127, killed by a raven 10:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 330 points, T:785, poisoned by a water moccasin, while reading a book 10:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 717 points, T:626, killed by a giant mimic 10:27 alivernine ooof 10:27 yeah lure them off the stash. hindsight is always 20/20 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:48374 (14:00:07) 10:36 I finally got the PYEC! 10:37 woop! 10:38 From now on I'll polypile for all the stuff I need and enchant my armor. I've looked at other people's ascension runs and they all had like AC -60 so I guess I still have to play cautiously. 10:39 whats your AC currently? 10:39 -28. 10:39 not bad 10:39 around -35 or lower is a good place to be 10:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 10:47 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 10:52 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:54944 (17:14:46) 10:54 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 11:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4523 (0:48:03) 11:06 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:9750 (1:52:29) 11:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:5413 (1:00:07) 11:19 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 11:22 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Client Quit] 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:52343 (15:01:56) 11:38 Sweet, spellbook of identify! 11:43 \o/ 11:45 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:71986 (1 day, 3:51:33) 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:58665 (1 day, 2:06:41) 11:53 -!- alivernine has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:53 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:7247 (1:44:35) 12:14 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:72537 (1 day, 4:02:01) 12:21 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:21 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:56640 (17:38:06) 12:27 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 12:29 What's a typical recommended weapon choice for a midgame valk? Rocking vorpal blade now and just got Mjollnir. Can do some more altar camping to get something to forge? 12:29 eggandhull: Message from mobileuser at 2023-07-26 08:10 EDT: I believe applying a stethoscope to shambling horror (or zapping probing at it) will also make their stats available in the monster lookup 12:29 eggandhull: Message from mobileuser at 2023-07-26 08:31 EDT: sorry, in evilhack you really have to kill the shambling horror. I was confusing it with Hack'EM. 12:30 dual wielding vorpal + mjollnir is a nice combo. mjollnir does more damage per hit vs vanilla mjollnir 12:31 forging the sword of annihilation would be good, its one of the best weapons in the game 12:31 hmm, i'm concerned about damaging nice loot, also removing shield dropped my ac from -40 to ~-30 ish 12:31 you have gauntlets of power? 12:31 yeah i do 12:31 so mjollnir + shield, and you can use mjollnir ranged 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:58880 (1 day, 2:48:39) 12:32 ohhh another complication. hammer is at unskilled. i'm trying to not level up too much (xp 14) to not get nasties 12:32 you'll train up hammer quickly 12:32 not hard to do 12:33 also once you kill rodney your exp level wont have any bearing on what spawns 12:33 guess i should accept damaging loot is less important than killing nasty stuff quickly? 12:33 imo yeah 12:34 or you could go vorpal + shield 12:34 both are good weapons 12:36 thx k2. 12:36 hopefully i've helped heh 12:36 decisions decisions... 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (petrified by a beholder), on T:59157 (1 day, 2:55:39) 12:49 Or you could use a thoroughly rusty -3 crude dagger. It'll be fun, it'll be fun, it'll be fun. 12:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:53192 (16:18:52) 12:51 My tourist now has -50 AC. It's runs like these that make me love Tourist so much. 12:51 And I haven't even visited the castle. 12:54 careful now... the RNG is always listening. dont jinx yourself :) 12:54 Of course. I mustn't get careless. 13:05 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:73907 (1 day, 4:51:37) 13:07 What's the best dragon scales to fuse to your armor? Currently at Fort Ludios and I see yellow, gold, black and red dragons. 13:07 it very much depends 13:09 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 13:09 yellow and red probably aren't worth it unless you have an entire ascension kit already. gold will give sickness resistance and light, possibly freeing a magic lamp for a wish. black will give passive disintegration, which can instakill most things, as well as disintegration resistance if you don't have that already 13:09 Also, how do you deal with black dragons if you don't have disintegration res? 13:09 personally i usually end up with white scales for gehennom and then switch to silver/gray/black later 13:10 alivernine, some players geno black dragons 13:10 I see. I haven't found a scroll of genocide so I'll try to polypile for one. 13:10 in terms of the breath, where a junk shield and body armor until you can cancel them. in terms of their passive attack, spells, wands, and junk projectiles 13:11 or just avoid them 13:11 s/where/wear 13:13 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Client Quit] 13:15 -!- Graznop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 13:20 Does eh have ancient dragons yet? 13:27 no 13:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:27 it's been on my to-do for awhile now, not sure exactly how i want to do it 13:28 or even if i should 13:28 regular dragons in evilhack are more dangerous than their vanilla counterparts 13:28 if i were to throw ancient dragons into the mix... i dunno 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Lolth, on T:74509 (1 day, 5:16:04) 13:30 -!- alivernine has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:34 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 13:40 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 13:49 hey k2 it looks like greased and oilskin items always resist being stolen if not cursed and have a 75% chance to resist if cursed---is this the intended effect? 13:51 eh? 13:51 no it is not 13:52 currently the check is (!otmp->cursed || rn2(4))) but I assume it should be (!otmp->cursed && rn2(4))) 13:52 no 13:52 that mirrors how other greased objects behave 13:53 yeah, but eg. oilskin cloaks always protect you from hug attacks unless cursed 13:54 not always 13:54 always 13:54 unless cursed 13:54 ./* if your cloak/armor is greased, monster slips off; this 13:54 protection might fail (33% chance) when the armor is cursed */ 13:54 if (obj && (obj->greased || obj->otyp == OILSKIN_CLOAK 13:54 || (obj->oprops & ITEM_OILSKIN)) 13:54 && (!obj->cursed || rn2(3))) { 13:55 exactly 13:55 the protection only might fail *when the armor is cursed* 13:55 if obj && obj is oilskin cloak && (obj is cursed OR 66% of the time) 13:55 *not cursed 13:55 Anything else worth genociding other than the obvious? 13:56 don't geno liches unless you've killed vecna, and definitely do gelatinous cubes 13:56 Already did gelatinous cubes. 13:57 early game, some people also choose gnomish wizards 13:57 so that tells me if the obj isnt cursed, there's still a 2/3rd chance of success 13:57 if the object *is* cursed, there's still a 2/3 chance of success 13:57 late game, there is eg antimatter vortex 13:57 gdammit 13:57 if it isn't cursed, it passes the first part of the or statement 13:57 i hate all of you. except alivernine, you are innocent 13:58 :P 13:58 Why thank you! 13:58 so terrapin to answer your question - yeah looks like that's the intent 13:58 also, mermaids. oops, sorry, wrong game... 13:58 i would prob change 65% back to 66% 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:75115 (1 day, 5:44:25) 13:58 75 13:59 grease has a way of wearing off tho 13:59 I think I got away with it... 14:00 this makes the BotH theft proof 14:00 mobileuser i got something for ya 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:12349 (3:43:25) 14:01 in that case, should player theft randomize what is stolen? otherwise monsters with oilskin stuff theftproof half their inventories 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:60310 (1 day, 3:36:33) 14:20 how so 14:21 you're saying when the player tries to steal from a monster, if it lands on an oilskin object, it'll stop there? 14:21 as in always stop there? 14:24 yeah 14:25 yes then, randomized selection would be the right thing to do 14:25 like it won't always stop on the oilskin object, but i think you steal in reverse order to how objects were added to a monsters inventory, and NPC oilskin bags seem to be one of the first items you attempt to take 14:26 * K2 throws away his cracker jack box expert coder certificate card 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:54742 (17:57:28) 14:31 terrapin if you're feeling motivated, you wanna PR that up? 14:31 i mean, it wont be a part of current version 14:32 but we can fix it for 0.9.0 14:35 sure 14:37 thanks 14:37 I really feel like I have the dumb today 14:37 if mobileuser hadnt killed off those mermaids... 14:42 lol 14:51 it is weird that monsters you are warned of don't show up when ridden 14:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:04 saddles block warning magic 15:05 Oh can you give me the patch lol 15:05 :P 15:05 preeeeeez 15:05 neu 15:05 prprprprprprpr 15:06 -!- alivernine has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:06 heh 15:16 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 15:28 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:31 Your ring of free action turns to dust and vanishes! 15:32 i so hate these shocking e.... 15:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:43 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 848 points, T:2807, diseased by a dwarf zombie 15:49 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 15:49 !lastgame bouquet 15:49 dbanethacker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1690335142.evil.html 15:49 Hi @bou 15:49 bouquet - I'm on the level where you died due to an Angel. 15:59 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) had a leather alchemy smock entrusted to him by Odin, on T:58375 (18:59:43) 15:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una), 382 points, T:803, killed by a shuriken 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) had a wooden short sword entrusted to him by Odin, on T:58521 (19:05:18) 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:58606 (19:08:37) 16:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 494 points, T:1365, killed by a hobgoblin 16:20 ugh i forgot to do a separate branch 16:20 k2, do you mind if i lump the theft commit with the prayer gift commit in one PR? 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) had a cloak of displacement entrusted to him by Odin, on T:59406 (19:24:29) 16:28 RUDE! someone just tried to poke me with giantslayer 16:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:60847 (19:58:32) 16:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:60878 (19:59:39) 16:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1598 (0:23:59) 16:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1413 (0:08:51) 16:41 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:76108 (1 day, 6:39:13) 17:05 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Hea Trt Fem Neu), 24 points, T:7, killed by a poisonous corpse 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 dragonhide water walking boots", on T:62196 (20:43:37) 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide helm of speed", on T:62208 (20:44:18) 17:16 Does the cancellation protection from gray dragon scales stack with MC3? 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed grayswandir", on T:62225 (20:45:54) 17:18 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:18 it is a different property, nothing to do with mc 17:18 so, i guess, "yes" 17:19 gray dragon scales provide protection from cancellation from the wand or spell, which can be zapped at you in evilhack 17:19 I've already had my armor cancelled multiple times and it's annoying to enchant it back up. 17:19 yeah, gray dragon scales protect against that. but MC doesn't 17:19 I see, looks like a good pick then. 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:62487 (20:49:28) 17:26 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:26 cancellation is most frequent as a result of meleeing gray dragons, so you can also just not do that to mitigate it 17:27 that and paying attention to when you are in a nasty los makes a big difference 17:27 but gdsm lets you be lazy about it, and i am all for doing things to let me be lazy 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:16295 (6:10:16) 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible bouquet's ghost, the former Pilferer, on T:16304 (6:10:24) 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 5111 points, T:3150, poisoned by a rotted gnome noble corpse 17:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Hea Trt Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:20052 (2:14:51) 18:06 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:17172 (6:33:52) 18:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 18:23 how do you fight blue dragons without getting rings and wands destroyed? 18:24 actually the previous discussion about gray dragon is so timely 18:24 found a throne room with blue, gray, silver, red dragons... 18:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:25 blue dragons only breathe electricity. reflection, putting rings and wands in bags (or wearing rings under nonmetallic gloves), or just standing next to them all work. high AC helps dodge most of their breath attacks as well 18:26 oh that's news , was reading https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dragon#Elemental_affinities 18:28 well, as the wiki says, they have a shocking breath, but they have no elemental passive or melee attacks 18:29 also, be careful not to rely too much on wiki pages for vanilla 18:29 Any tips on Kathryn? What's the ideal AC? Is -60 much? 18:30 *enough 18:31 kathryn's a spellcaster so ac isn't the biggest concern. like all high-level casters acid blast is a serious danger---acid resistance is probably the single most important thing, and of course you need MR and decent health as well. -60 ac is plenty all the way through the astral plane! 18:31 terrapin sure (the PR question) 18:31 i got my doggos back home yay 18:31 fire and poison damage are really helpful against kathryn as well 18:32 where were the dogs before? 18:32 had to board them for a few days. consturction at the house, part of the backyard fence had to be removed 18:33 nappy old rotting shed is gone, extra garage going in its place 18:33 ah. nice! 18:33 foundation work is done, now just waiting on the guy that pours the concrete. no idea when he'll be available 18:33 then we can start on the actual structure 18:34 the joys of working with contractors 18:34 finally be able to park my vehicle in something and keep it out of the elements. scraping ice and snow off my truck sucks 18:35 i have a good friend who does this kind of work, its been pleasant so far 18:35 he knows who to pick 18:35 oh, that's cool 18:36 i'll share some pics 18:38 old shed - https://ibb.co/4Nw4FST 18:38 and it was worse off than it looks. i dont think it would have made it another season. crumbling, stuff falling off, etc 18:39 gravel ready for concrete - https://ibb.co/VCWxv9v 18:40 drainage pipes under it too, we'd get a lot of standing water on that side of house, this should take care of that 18:41 doggos checking out the temporary fencing and figuring how they can escape - https://ibb.co/qrDT4hg 18:41 very nice! 18:41 aww 18:41 thanks! excited... will have lots of space for the truck and all the lawn equipment 18:42 that's ozzy on the right 18:44 alrighty food time, back in a bit 18:44 o/ 18:46 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:48 -!- aosdict has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:08 So is there anything particularly bad about murdering an aligned priest after completing the Quest? 19:09 Standard murder penalties, Luck, alignment abuse (which still matters towards the v. end of the game) 19:10 What sorts of bad things happen with alignment abuse? 19:17 dark elven daggers won't break in light? 19:17 They will if you actively use them 19:17 alivernine, generally it matters most pre-quest and at the very last level of the game - you already did Quest so 19:17 it doesn't happen every hit. in my experience it happens only when it's most inconvenient :) 19:18 shoot 19:29 so what's the best strategy to deal with throne room with blue, gray, silver, red dragons? pick them off 1 by 1 at dagger range? i see that meleeing gray means cancelled, which is bad. 19:30 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 19:31 or wield a c corpse to stone everyone 19:31 eggandhull blue, red and silver dragons aren't a big deal, just pick them off in a corridor one by one 19:31