00:05 Aphrodite stole away everything.. 00:05 any help? down to ac10 00:07 it even stole my BoH and used the stuff inside it..lol 00:17 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:21 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3341 (1:15:46) 00:23 aphrodite is no joke. 00:23 best bet is to get ESP and an eyecovering and some ranged weapons/wands. Come back and blast her from a distance. 00:24 if she has MR or reflection after stealing you stuff you'll need to rely on arrows/bolts/daggers/darts/etc 00:29 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 00:32 you missed my aphrodite spiel 00:32 best bet is to get ESP and an eyecovering and some ranged weapons/wands. Come back and blast her from a distance. 00:32 ? 00:32 .. 00:33 if she has MR or reflection after stealing you stuff you'll need to rely on arrows/bolts/daggers/darts/etc 00:33 dagger keeps missing 00:33 are you trained in dagger? 00:34 basic, level not high enough to enhance 00:35 I'd leave and come back when you're better able to deal with her. She's rude 00:37 ok 00:37 i even had free action + paralysis. potion missed and she stole the ring.. 00:39 did she steal any source of MR from you? 00:39 or reflection? 00:41 she's not resistant to much. If you have lightning/fire/cold/magicmissile you can usually blast her from down a hallway 00:44 nope, she didn't steal refl/mr 00:44 no wands :( 00:47 she also stole the only blindfold in game lol 00:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48 good times 00:48 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 00:49 if you ditch your entire inventory you can just punch her to death 00:50 .. 00:51 Yeah, legitimately no danger from a nymph if there's nothing for her to steal 00:51 now, danger from everything else though 00:51 It's best to wand her ASAP or let a pet handle her 00:52 pet seems to be missing all the time, her AC is high 00:52 tends to happen when she's nicked your stuff 00:53 hence the ASAP 00:53 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6294 points, T:5865, poisoned by a gray fungus 01:01 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1142 points, T:1685, killed by a death ray 01:02 classic! I haven't been killed by a gnome with a death wand for years 01:03 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 711 points, T:1853, killed by a giant mimic 01:03 The wand of striking turns to dust. 01:04 guess it's continuing down the dungeon for now 01:15 hmm i got a scar monster scroll 01:15 if i drop will she keep stealing? 01:16 I believe it works on her. She's pretty quick though 01:16 I'd be woried she might sneak up and steal before the scroll affects her. 01:17 how about i go to that level and immediately drop, and wait? 01:17 did you try naked punching? 01:17 seems like she always sneaks up on me 01:17 nope 01:19 You miss Aphrodite. You miss Aphrodite. Aphrodite stole a gem called or junk. 01:19 ....she keeps stealing even i'm on the scare monster square 01:19 Unique monsters aren't affected by that, pretty sure 01:21 so i guess come back with a bunch of wands 01:22 sokoban has wands 01:24 good point 01:37 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3122 points, T:3709, withered away 01:48 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:52 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 907 points, T:664, killed by the Goblin King 02:10 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1111 points, T:2277, quit 02:15 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:16 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 02:22 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 564 points, T:702, killed by a rock gnome 02:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:43 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1395 points, T:2640, killed by the Goblin King 03:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 03:05 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:06 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:15 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7607 03:15 -!- Guest7607 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 03:15 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:27 -!- Demo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27 -!- Demo1 has joined #evilhack 03:29 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Arc Dwa Fem Law) destroyed k3ut0i's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:1609 (0:17:18) 03:44 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest6520 03:44 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:47 -!- Guest6520 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:55 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest9939 03:55 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 03:58 -!- Guest9939 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:12 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 04:16 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:928 (0:07:42) 04:39 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8506 04:39 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:42 -!- Guest8506 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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It's not possible in my local version but that's several iterations old and I'm sleepy, so double-checking in order to process better when I wake up 09:01 !tell Umbire function setmangry() in mon.c lines 4698-4699 (oracle gains movement if angered) 09:01 Will do, K2! 09:31 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:33 !tell Umbire "dragonhide yugake." pretty sure it's impossible to wish for a normal cloak, though 09:33 No worries, terrapin, I've got this! 09:36 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 09:36 yeah that bug needs to be addressed at some point 09:36 cant wish for just 'gloves' or 'cloak' 09:37 again, i hate objnam.c 09:40 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:42 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 09:50 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 09:53 maybe it would be easier to rename them---"soft gloves"/"light cloak" or something---it's not really objnam's fault they share their names with a type of armor. 09:56 Hm? 09:56 Umbire: Message from K2 at 2023-07-24 09:01 EDT: function setmangry() in mon.c lines 4698-4699 (oracle gains movement if angered) 09:56 Umbire: Message from terrapin at 2023-07-24 09:33 EDT: "dragonhide yugake." pretty sure it's impossible to wish for a normal cloak, though 09:56 ah, thought so. 09:56 taking it that's already on the docket? 09:57 no 09:57 and everything in objnam's fault. E V E R Y T H I N G 09:57 ah so that's what was being talked about when I joined 09:57 lol 09:58 Umbire why dont you setup an irc bouncer so you dont miss conversations 09:58 or just check the irc log here 09:58 https://www.hardfought.org/irclog.evil/ 09:58 I know where to check the logs 09:59 my question was just conveniently answered before I did 09:59 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2596/source 10:03 anyhow thank you both for the answers 10:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a potion of holy water 10:06 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:06 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:12 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 10:15 while I'm in the questioning mood, metallivores respect artifact alignment, right? 10:16 (in vanilla) 10:17 i dunno 10:21 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/mon.c#L892 this line seems to indicate something along that line 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a goblin shaman corpse, on T:3593 (0:35:09) 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3624 (0:36:04) 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:3715 (0:37:00) 10:26 i was planning on starting on druid over this past weekend, but too much irl responsibilities came up :/ 10:26 unfortunate 10:26 all day yesterday was basicall yyard work + clearing out our shed so it could be torn down today 10:27 it was falling apart/rotted 10:28 new garage port with a proper concrete slab going in its place. first time ever in my entire life i'll be able to park my own vehicle in a garage 10:28 hah 10:28 kiss my ass winter ice 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 13325 points, T:10953, killed by a bolt of fire, while sleeping 10:32 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:49457 (10:59:02) 10:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:5365 (1:04:14) 10:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Cha), 7535 points, T:5365, quit 10:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:52 -!- terrapin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53 -!- terrapin_ has joined #evilhack 10:53 -!- terrapin_ is now known as terrapin 10:54 -!- terrapin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 10:59 -!- terrapin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law), 212 points, T:870, killed by Mr. Adjama; the shopkeeper 11:23 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Odin, on T:10054 (2:12:56) 11:26 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 11:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 510 points, T:554, killed by a rock gnome 11:44 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 303 points, T:1185, killed by a bone crossbow bolt 11:55 -!- eggandhull has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law), 1999 points, T:2825, killed by Ms. Tuktoyaktuk; the shopkeeper 12:19 gotta stop kicking every door down out of laziness 12:23 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Lolth, on T:55509 (17:39:44) 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:684 (0:06:27) 12:34 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:34 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:10927 (3:24:11) 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:11074 (3:26:36) 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] k3ut0i (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1713 points, T:3284, killed by the Goblin King 12:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:1979 (0:23:05) 12:49 thanks for the same gloves i start with you d*ck -- where are my shuriken! 12:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:11510 (3:40:36) 13:01 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:08 is it intentional that fleeing warpers can jump right next to you regardless of distance? 13:14 i'm no warp scientist but it seems to me that some warpers behave differently from others 13:14 alhoons bop all over the map, crazy distances 13:14 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:14 demon lords make a stately advance 13:14 oh maybe it was just an alhoon thing 13:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a leather cloak entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:57097 (18:42:17) 13:34 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 13:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40 -!- alivernine has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:41 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 13:46 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 27683 points, T:12800, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while sleeping 14:02 *&(^%$&^%$&^% 14:03 that's rough, not even paralyzed, but sleeping -- extra insulting 14:03 Ya clear a level, and drink an unknown potion to find it's sleeping.  Along comes a gelatinous cube in the mines?  Go figure. 14:04 drinking an unknown potion is its own reward 14:15 today IS a good day to die - Abraham Lincoln 14:18 "Donald, go and see a play" -- Abraham Lincoln 14:18 :) 14:19 Hmmm, I thought that was a Klingon quote that K2 mentioned.... 14:21 Abraham Lincoln was a Klingon. He wore that hat to hide his Klingon forehead. 14:23 ^ this 14:23 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:24 dbanethacker there are a few memes on the interwebz that have ridiculous quotes crediting pres lincoln, its a parody of how often various figures are misquoted 14:24 Got it - someone has too much time, eh? 14:26 heh 14:26 Like the one about "three times is enemy action", which the Duke of Wellington didn't say (but ought to have done) 14:31 or the Socrates last words quote "I drank what... ?" 14:38 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:45 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law), 24730 points, T:11517, killed by a mountain centaur 15:13 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 15:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:49 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49 Super new to EvilHack here. I've made it to Sokoban's prize doors and I have the choice of magic marker, helm of speed or an amulet. I already have a +3 mithril hard hat, intrinsic speed from a quantum mechanic and a dragonhide cloak of magic res --which item should I pick? I was thinking magic marker 15:50 how can you tell it's a magic marker and helm of speed? 15:50 how do you know its those 3 objects? 15:50 Object detection potion. 15:50 they all look green yeah? 15:51 normally that shows you just "sokoban prize tool", "sokoban prize amulet" etc 15:51 not the actual item's identity 15:51 are you playing on hardfought? 15:51 Ohhh I see. 15:51 :) 15:51 if you want to be spoiled - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Sokoban 15:52 I guess the tool would be useful either way because I have neither a magic marker or a bag of holding but I really want reflection. 15:52 Also playing on downloaded EvilHack, not hardfought. 15:52 personally i'd go for reflection, but you already have MR... 15:52 tough choice 15:53 boh or marker kinda hard to pass up 15:54 alivernine how are you liking the game so far? 15:54 i usually pick the tool. but i also have never ascended so maybe that tells you something about the wisdom of my choices 15:54 I happen to be playing a human tourist since it was my favorite role in Vanilla, and I wanted to play EvilHack for a change of pace. 15:54 And let's say--I have been getting walloped so badly lol. 15:54 ohh that's really tough lol! 15:54 heh yeah sounds about right :) 15:54 yeah tourist isnt easy to get started even in vanilla nethack 15:55 even a fighting class in evilhack is harder than vanilla tourist in my experience 15:55 at least that is true in terms of my own ability to ascend it 15:55 when all seems lost, remember that there have been TWO convict drow ascensions already 15:55 crazy 15:55 It's super fun though. I appreciate the QoL changes like the chest looting and figuring out the ideal AC for the goblin king was quite fun. I died several times from thinking that -1 AC would be enough. 15:56 those are surely by some kind of superhuman freaks though K2 15:56 agreed 15:56 alivernine glad you're enjoying it! 15:56 It's a lot easier to get AC, but at the same time monsters hit so much harder. -1 AC would normally carry you through midgame in vanilla. 15:57 Gonna nab the tool because it's the safest choice in terms of progress. 15:57 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 15:58 out of curiosity - are you playing using the compiled windows binary, or did you compile it yourself and playing on *nix? 15:58 Does ring of free action prevent gelatinous cube's suffocating attack? 15:58 eggandhull no, but it will prevent you from being paralyzed by them 15:58 it doesn't prevent it but it allows you to keep moving around 15:58 that's half the battle 15:59 and poking them 15:59 hmmmmmm 15:59 you'd need an amulet of magical breathing 15:59 I'm using the precompiled binary. 15:59 i do have a ring on, and a b is standing in the big room, wondering if i should face it. 15:59 alivernine cool 15:59 eggandhull - ranged attack is your best friend in this scenario 15:59 if you can dish out a ton of damage per hit, maybe chance melee 15:59 it's right next to the upstairs tho 16:01 I got a magic marker from the prize tool. Also, identify scrolls have been VERY scarce so far--I found a grand total of 2 and one was burned by a pyrolisk. 16:02 yeah the RNG can be a real jerk sometimes 16:03 i had a recent game where i never once found a scroll of genocide 16:03 So now I'm carrying around 7 rings, and I have no clue what any of them do other than the fact that they're all uncursed. 16:03 had to polypile forever to finally get one 16:06 kind of stuck between the big room and the big N that stole all of my stuff 16:07 oof 16:08 Man, gnomish wizards really got a glow up. When I went to the Mines one of them kept chaincasting stun on my poor Tourist, who bumped around like a pinball with his +5 steel scimitar against all the dwarves and gnomes. 16:09 if i got suffocated by the b, zapping tele at self will teleport me out, right? 16:09 yes (on a teleport-allowed level) 16:09 hmm or i can tele it away first 16:09 hmmm sokoban 16:10 on no-teleport levels you can tele it away, otherwise you will come with it 16:10 the "gnomish wizard effect" in action! 16:10 literally everyone says they've gotten buffed but k2 insists they haven't. I have my suspicions... 16:10 fun fact - gnomish wizard chain stun is no different in vanilla vs evilhack 16:10 check the code 16:11 lies! 16:11 we like to call that 'variant paranoia' 16:11 :P 16:11 Dang lol. 16:11 however low level spellcasting types do have other spells at their disposal 16:12 like fire/ice blast 16:13 alright big room here we go 16:19 lol b ate 'combat boots' which may be speed 16:20 Can polymorph traps still get you with magic res? In vanilla I lost several characters to stepping on a polymorph trap with SDSM and it was so infuriating. 16:20 -!- terrapin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 16:23 alivernine: afaik not if you have magic res, should give you the same protection as vanilla 16:23 in that regard at least -- not in some others 16:28 -!- aosdict has joined #evilhack 16:31 ok, joking aside, I finally went and poked at the stun code and I think something is seriously wonky 16:31 yeah MR = safe from polytraps 16:31 it looks like spelltimeout always returns 0? 16:31 what's wrong with the stun code terrapin 16:31 hey now, this is a family friendly channel. we dont say 'wonky' 16:31 :P 16:31 it's called with objects[spellnum].oc_level, which i don't think is a valid thing 16:32 i think it is a real thing 16:32 idk if it is for monster spells 16:32 oh shit hah 16:32 but that is apparently a field in object info 16:33 idk how monster spells work 16:33 i don't know the objects list well, but aren't the first few objects not spellbooks? 16:33 i bet that got carried over from grunthack on accident 16:33 yeah 16:33 objects[spellnum].oc_level would reference player spellbooks 16:34 ok... i'll allow 'wonky' to be used just this once 16:34 smh 16:34 yeah it would make sense for player spells 16:34 phew 16:34 damn that's wonky 16:34 objects[spellnum].oc_level keeps being 0 when I wiztest. I think spellnum is like 1-20ish, and aren't the first few objects weapons or something? 16:34 are monster spells ordered by nastiness? they are, right? 16:35 yeah that makes sense terrapin 16:35 apparently that field is used only for armor and spellbooks 16:37 anyway seems like an error to act like spellnum is an index into objects[] 16:37 yeah 16:37 can replace objects[spellnum].oc_level with something like (spellnum + 3) % 3 or whatever formula you decide on 16:38 this would be... a very old bug 16:38 as in before public release on hardfought old 16:38 it would help to have some idea of what it was actually supposed to be originally 16:38 damn you grunthack 16:39 damn you past me inexperience 16:39 thank you terrapin for actually calling me out and checking the stun code :P 16:40 haha sure thing 16:40 you could either try to just do something like that ((spellnum + 3) % 3) in which case all spell timeouts could be increased by adding new low-level spells (not great) or have an actual function that translates items from the enums into timeouts 16:41 swpa it out with mspec? 16:41 *swap 16:42 change spelltimeout to take the spellnum and adtyp directly and then plug in stuff like if (AD_SPEL) { if (spellnum >= MGC_SUMMON_MONS) timeout = 8; else if (spellnum >= MSG_DISAPPEAR) timeout = 5; 16:42 i can't remember what mspec is 16:42 mspec_used? or is mspec a separate thing? 16:42 how do the timeouts work in vanilla? 16:43 it's just a flat value but reduced based on the monster's level 16:43 so a high level guy will have a low timeout and a low level guy will have a high timeout 16:44 yeah i meant mspec_used 16:45 isn't mspec_used where you're putting the value into? 16:45 what would you swap it out with? 16:45 what i mean is, if objects[spellnum].oc_level was meant to be some sort of timeout being casting, mpsec_used would make more sense there 16:46 bear in mind i'm currently not looking at the code right now 16:46 wow i cant type 16:47 mspec_used currently is incremented, just based on an erroneous value that depends on objects[spellnum].oc_level 16:48 yeah mspec_used is already used correctly to store the timeout, but the timeout being stored doesn't make sense 16:48 so maybe just drop that bit altogether 16:48 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:49 drop timeouts altogether? 16:49 no, just the ref to objects[spellnum].oc_level 16:50 yeah but you will need to replace it with something 16:50 hmm 16:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50 like I said earlier I think you could either try to come up with a formula based on the spell value itself (like (spellnum + 3) % 3) or you could try to enumerate the correct timeouts directly with if/else if in a function 16:51 it might make more sense once you can sit down and look at the code 16:51 btw the grunthack implementation is also just plain wrong 16:51 dont doubt it 16:52 a bit of a history lesson with evilhack development - in the beginning, i did a fair amount of copy/paste from grunthack to evilhack, and made edits where they made sense. as in, made sens to much more inexperienced past me 16:52 and here we are, still lceaning up the mess :) 16:53 *cleaning 16:53 omg i need a new kboard 16:54 alright brb, headed home 16:58 terrapin: grunthack doesn't use player spellbooks for monster spells? 17:04 oh yeah you're right i was confused by the COMBINED_SPELLS directives 17:07 i had no idea whether it did actually I was just asking 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:59908 (21:06:35) 17:37 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Baphomet, on T:61273 (21:29:17) 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:61415 (21:34:34) 17:43 -!- eggandhull has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:48 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 17:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4481 (1:03:50) 17:56 -!- alivernine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:05 grunthack does allow monsters to cast player spells 18:05 fiqhack takes it a step further, allows monsters to take a spellbook and read it/learn it 18:06 before the splicehack rewrite, antigulp was working on monsters using player spells but she never finished work on it afaik. its not in the rewrite 18:31 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 18:33 anyways. i've added highlights of this convo to the bug tracker. it'll be addressed 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law), 636 points, T:336, killed by the Goblin King 18:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:4907 (2:33:52) 18:47 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 18:48 AC -13, no blindfold/towel. Soko zoo has werefoo and maybe >1 gelatinous cubes. Have tele wand and rings of free act/conflict. How risky is to go after it..? 18:50 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 18:51 -!- Noisytoot has joined #evilhack 18:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5322 (2:50:44) 18:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2549 (0:18:52) 18:58 conflict would be good to use in the soko zoo 18:59 dont let youself get surrounded, draw them out into the doorway/hallway 18:59 and stay the hell away from that gelcube 19:02 thx 19:02 i boulder forted myself on the Nymph level but can't see if the n is behind :) 19:05 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 19:12 there's a goddamn mumak 19:13 tele it? 19:13 poly it? 19:16 The wand of polymorph named z1 backfires! You turn into a baby black dragon! 19:17 never zap un-BUC-id'ed or cursed wands 19:18 does misfiring death kill you even if you have MR (like self-zapping death)? 19:22 turns out well...cleared some nasty mon 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:25388 (6:44:24) 19:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5644 (3:24:02) 19:51 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 19:51 Ask a Valk, good idea to train Shield to Master? 19:52 i guess a shield prevents twoweaponing like vanilla. 19:56 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2313 19:56 -!- Guest2313 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 19:56 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has joined #evilhack 20:12 -!- loggers_viii has joined #evilhack 20:13 !lastgame sadekivi 20:13 loggers_viii: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Sadekivi/evilhack/dumplog/1676485126.evil.html 20:15 Noisytoot yeah it looks like the wand of death backfire is the same as zapping it at yourself (“you irradiate yourself with pure energy!”) 20:27 -!- loggers_viii has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:38 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:39 eggandhull - depends. getting shield skill up to master gives an extra 8 points of AC. plus you'll utilize shield bash fairly often. using a shield of reflection (default material, silver) would be excellent in gehennom 20:42 it is great with ashmar 20:42 but a hard sell when compared with skilled or better twoweapon 20:42 i think definitely better than basic 20:56 at least now though, there's much more incentive to use a shield than before 20:56 more options 20:57 if i played as a knight or valkyre, i'd definitely consider going weapon + shield vs twoweapon 20:58 imagine a giant valk wielding a two-handed sword primary + ashmar 20:58 some turns, you're going to attack with that shield as well as your weapon 20:59 this reminds me, I need to finish filling in the thievery skill entry on the wiki 21:00 i made some decent updates to the evilhack wiki page today 21:03 2h sword/ashmar SOUNDS good until you realize you could instead be doing hammer of the gods/ashmar 21:04 maybe tempest tho! 21:04 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.2] 21:25 -!- alivernine has joined #evilhack 21:33 My tourist died in the Quest to an elder minotaur. First time seeing such a monster. Welp, trial and error. 21:37 You got shapeshifter'd it sounds like 21:38 Or polytrapped - you're not supposed to be seeing those until Gehennom 21:40 Seems like it was those dang polymorph traps again. He didn't change back from an elder minotaur. 21:40 Real unlucky, that 21:41 That being said if I knew then what I knew now, I would've just either ran around him or altar camped for more AC. 21:45 I do like the unicorn horn nerf. I've been far more careful about not abusing my attributes as opposed to 3.6 vanilla. 21:47 Yeah, lot you'll have to get used to 21:49 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 112 points, T:465, killed by a gas cloud 21:51 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a dark elven spear entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:63361 (23:06:22) 22:02 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 395 points, T:1171, killed by a boiling potion, while frozen by a potion 22:06 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a copper ring mail entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:49728 (11:33:27) 22:14 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a battle-axe entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:51282 (11:42:05) 22:15 You miss Aphrodite. You just miss Aphrodite. 22:16 hmm my TH 14 wielding a potion of paralysis never managed to hit it 22:17 @e?Aphrodite 22:17 Aphrodite (n) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 15 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: unique | AC: -5 | Atk: 0d0 claw item steal, 0d0 claw seduce | Align: 0 | tele, nopoly, stalker, infravis 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:26084 (7:20:29) 22:18 Aphrodite turns to stone! 22:18 thank you c!!!!!!! 22:18 OMG 22:18 \o/ 22:20 So TH 14 can't hit AC-5 22:33 Not reliably, no 22:33 Isn't this also the game where she nicked a bunch of your armor? 22:34 yes 22:34 i just killed her 22:34 actually the c just 22:34 got a blessed magic lamp! what do i wish for? has amulet of reflection. any dragonhide MR goodie? 22:37 Depends on what you're going for - imo I'd say dragonhide cloak of MR but I'd wait for other people to chime in 22:37 going for survivability at this point lol, hp 88, ac -20, xp 10 valk 22:39 dragonhide cloak of MR: MR and good AC, dragonhide helm of speed: speed and good AC, adamantine helm of speed: slightly less AC but better zombie/mind flayer protection, PYEC: MR and charging and such, but hard to wish for artifacts later, especially if you want to forge something, stone gauntlets of power: decent AC and damage boost but not that much better than random GoP which you'll likely find eventually 22:40 oh and dragonhide t-shirt of decay/warning/ESP is always worth a wish at some point, though not necessarily the best for an early wish 22:41 thx. not recommended to do any gray dragon-scaled armor? 22:42 oh 22:42 " dragon scale mail" no longer exists as an object, so it can't be wished for. If the player wishes for ' dragon scale mail', they'll receive 'a set of dragon scales' instead. 22:42 you can't wish for foo-scaled armor, only plain foo scales, which usually aren't considered worth it 22:42 yeah 22:42 is your list in the order of preference :) 22:42 I'd say it roughly is, but your priorities may vary 22:44 You have to use enchant armor to apply the scales to your body armor 22:44 scales are still solid but idk about wishing for them at this juncture 22:44 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 22:45 eggandhull do you have mr 22:45 no i don't have MR. have amulet of refl. 22:45 dragon hide cloak of mr is pretty much objectively the best wish then 22:45 yeah... 22:46 oh, and if you wish for armor in the early game and you like rolling the dice, consider wishing for it "magical". there's a chance you'll get a useful property like warning or poison resistance (but also a very small chance to get something bad like fumbling) 22:46 looks like only fumbling and hunger 22:47 once it's there it can't be removed? 22:47 nope 22:47 hmm 22:47 "blessed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance" -- is this right? 22:47 sounds good 22:48 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Val Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:26730 (7:51:04) 22:48 -!- loggers_viii48 has joined #evilhack 22:48 aw waddahell irc why you messin 22:48 -!- loggers_viii48 has quit [Client Quit] 22:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 22:49 nice! it's +3 22:49 i guess it's mines end -> luckstone -> crowning now... 22:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 22:50 !whereis eggandhull 22:50 Loggers_VIII: eggandhull is not playing. 22:52 You can specify object properties in wishes, yeah, and they're not something you can apply/remove from said objects 22:53 except perhaps by forging (which basically just transfers them to the made object depending) 22:54 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4574 (0:51:02) 22:55 I just found a steel lamp a gnome shopkeeper is selling for like 1333zm. 22:55 magic! 22:55 evil’s lamps are more expensive, and steal exacerbates that; it also sounds like you’re playing tourist, judging by the price? 22:56 *steel 22:56 Yeah, tourist though he spawned with 18 int. 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1406 (0:14:34) 22:57 are you new to evil? 22:58 Yep! I died like 50 times so far. 22:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4781 (0:54:49) 22:58 hah nice 22:58 tourist is a tough role to start out with 22:58 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1579 (0:16:43) 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:4955 (0:59:15) 23:03 alivernine: are you on the server 23:03 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) used a forge to create Glamdring, on T:4978 (1:00:02) 23:03 Nope, playing a windows compile. 23:03 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:04 terrapin: wow you got -63 ac, insane in vanilla 23:05 and yet I feel like I'm just barely hanging on... 23:05 admittedly that's more because i have shitty weapons, -60 ac is plenty in even in evil 23:08 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 23:09 what're ya using terrapin? 23:09 +7 silver katana of frost, +2 steel long sword of venom, +6 silver elven daggers 23:09 the only artifact i've gotten out of half a dozen gifts is trollsbane :/ 23:10 it's not awful but most of the demon lords have been closer than i'd like 23:11 and i'm too scared to face vecna without the extra silver damage 23:11 is there a way to verify I'm standing on an unlit square #drowproblems 23:11 look at your TH 23:12 !whereis terrapin 23:12 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] terrapin [evil]: (Rog Dro Mal Cha) T:64657 Gehennom level: 38 23:14 yikes man your HP isn't great either 23:15 yeah mephistopheles got me good with some touches of death 23:16 plus...drow 23:26 heh #drowproblems 23:26 omg terrapin you can't steal the wand you can't steal it 23:27 or does it drop at your feet? 23:27 yeah you just drop it 23:27 so a fancy disarm 23:27 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:65155 (1 day, 0:26:51) 23:27 preferable to losing any more max HP 23:27 that was extremely ballsy 23:27 fucker still took 20 mhp in one hit :( 23:28 perhaps time to sac for ogresmasher? 23:28 yeah 23:29 i have some +2 rings of constitution so really i have no excuse not to drain now now that orcus is dead 23:29 ah 23:34 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an iron athame on an altar, on T:5999 (1:31:11) 23:42 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) had a mithril two-handed sword entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:65638 (1 day, 0:41:46) 23:44 classic lolth 23:45 i really hope she's in the third lair so i can return her stupid gifts point-first 23:45 heh 23:45 appropriately-leveled player: hey lolth can I have an artifact 23:45 lolth: nuh uh 23:47 !who 23:47 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] tau [evil] eggandhull [evil] xialg [evil] bouquet [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 23:55 is it me or do i feel pets in evil don't need to eat as much 23:57 I don't think there's been any changes to pet hunger 23:58 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5240 (1:16:05) 23:58 Pets can reliably feed themselves on stuff they're able to kill 23:59 k