00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1384 (0:06:45) 00:48 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3139 points, T:2951, killed by a gnoll 01:14 how to safely deal with a sea dragon? i do have an amulet of magical breathing, but i imagine water will get in my BoH ? 01:25 The gelatinous cube engulfs you! It's impossible to breathe in here! 01:26 do i have 3 turns? 1 turn to take out amulet of magic breathing, 2 turns to swap it 01:32 Unless you're currently wearing free action you probably don't even have that 01:34 so i'm done? 01:34 expensive camera to scare it? 01:41 that requires it to have eyes 01:41 and is moot while you're already inside 01:41 digging is your way out but again unless you have free action it can just bop you and you're potentially instahosed 01:41 in fact it's a wonder you're alive now 01:42 (you can also zap teleport directly at yourself as with the dragon with all that entails) 01:45 i got no tele wands 01:45 so i can either try (1) pickaxe dig downward (2 turns) (2) 3 turns to swap amulet 01:46 oh i do have a genocide scroll, 2 turns to take out + read 01:46 or a polymorph wand, 2 turns to take out + zap 01:46 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 01:48 I mean the wand of digging, for the record 01:49 using a pick-axe while engulfed just attacks as normal which is the opposite of what we want 01:50 no wand of digging either 01:51 tele scrolls..2 turns to take out + read [but it may tele with me] 01:54 which is why I suggested zapping, as in the wand 01:55 I would honestly go with genocide if it's known to not be cursed, otherwise polymorph as a last last resort 01:55 yes, it's non cursed 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:38299 (12:23:12) 01:57 Wiped out all gelatinous cubes. You can breathe again. 01:57 thx Umbire !!!!! 02:00 neat 02:00 happy to help 02:00 apologies, between tasks as always 02:03 np np 02:16 The minimum experience level needed to start the quest has been changed from level 14 to level 10. However, there are consequences for starting too soon... what's the consequence? 02:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:18 increased monster generation 02:40 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:09 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 03:13 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:20 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:45 -!- arahael_ has joined #evilhack 03:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by an ogre queen), on T:10339 (5:56:12) 03:51 Ouch. 03:52 ogre queen bashed me into a peaceful red naga, too, which has resulted in my perfect alignment record now being "moderately abused". :( 04:22 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4491 (0:35:39) 04:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6300 points, T:4502, poisoned by a rotted Mordor orc corpse, while praying 04:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1014 (0:02:56) 04:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1724 (0:05:57) 04:50 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:53 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law), 145668 points, T:44603, killed by a death ray 05:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed the invisible bouquet's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:3952 (0:25:16) 05:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:4906 (0:32:40) 05:17 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 05:18 -!- arahael_ has joined #evilhack 05:22 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:38 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 05:42 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:12472 (7:03:00) 06:06 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:10 -!- arahael__ has joined #evilhack 06:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 30948 points, T:10963, killed by an air elemental 06:11 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1151 (0:07:12) 06:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1965 (0:10:52) 06:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4049 (0:20:48) 06:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una), 9006 points, T:6053, killed by a chameleon imitating a giant centipede 06:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] breadmaster (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1720 points, T:2403, killed by a dingo 07:17 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 07:22 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:22 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 68906 points, T:14356, killed by a mumak 07:25 D'oh. 07:42 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:46 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:55 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Dispater, on T:113112 (1 day, 14:25:11) 07:59 k2: interesting, flying over lava, have boulder thrown at my, it sinks without a trace -- "You try to move the boulder, but in vain" but no boulder present 08:00 looks like there is lava with a secret invisible boulder present 08:01 also i have just found my first ever magic trap in lava 08:01 (in the square that was impassable because of the secret boulder) 08:12 errr 08:12 uhhh 08:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:114423 (1 day, 14:48:02) 08:25 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:31 Those magic traps are annoying, one took over an altar on the quest level in one of my earlier games. 08:37 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 08:42 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:42 How can a trap appear in lava? That doesn't sound right 08:43 arahael__ the trap overwrote the altar? Cause you can only see one symbol, I'm curious which symbol you saw 08:44 I saw the trap symbol. 08:45 And the guaranteed altar was 'missing'. It probably was still there under the trap, but it's difficult to use a tower-of-flame altar like that. 08:45 Which role? 08:45 Monk. 08:49 weird 08:50 As far as I can tell, an altar can be *anywhere*. I've never seen it on a staircase, though. I have seen a trap in a doorway though, this week. 08:50 Erm, a *trap* can be *anywhere*. 08:50 I'm tired, and it's late. :D 08:50 Was it the home one or kaen's lair? 08:54 Master Kaen. 08:54 aight, I'm gonna start spawning 50 traps on the monk levels see if this is a real thing lol 08:54 How do you do that? 08:55 Just add them to the monk des file :) 08:56 And recompile 08:56 Ah. :) 08:56 make it 1000 08:56 :P 08:56 Yeah, do 1000. 08:56 lol ok 08:56 isnt there something like 1500+ actual tile spaces on a map? 08:57 si 08:59 Don't forget there's a lot of lava... But the traps will spawn in there as well anyway. 08:59 Well, the home level's altar is holding strong. 08:59 When it happened I complained about it so the ttyrec probably exists. 09:00 Oh dear, I don't think the quest leader can spawn in with so many traps 09:01 Who cares about him. :D 09:01 Ok, I'm off to bed. 09:01 I can't go down, even in wizmode lol 09:01 Maybe just 500 traps.. 09:01 Ah, interesting. 09:06 Note, you do have to actually trigger the trap by walking on the altar, that's when the altar goes missing. 09:07 Yea, I can get a falling rock trap ON an altar. That is a new special sort of weird 09:08 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:08 Or any trap really 09:08 It'll also be in the lava, and it's not just that level, either. 09:08 Traps don't discriminate, it seems. 09:08 New feature - trapped altars! :D 09:08 It's been there for a while. :) 09:09 It's not that new. 09:09 altars in lava! 09:09 Haha. 09:09 Now that'll be interesting. 09:16 in the des file, are traps made first, then the altar/lava? 09:17 Yes, I moved the altar gen to the top and that fixes it 09:18 I guess traps check if there is a dungeon features, but altar's don't check if there are traps 09:18 -!- arahael__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:20 so in .des files, furniture first, traps/pools/lava last 09:35 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:2059 (0:20:57) 09:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2570 (0:24:20) 09:45 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8817 (1:06:29) 10:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:9499 (1:12:41) 10:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 20137 points, T:9551, killed by a giant beetle, while sleeping 10:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 125 points, T:303, killed by a boulder 10:37 K2: I'm still having problems with the swimming under getting "Mon not there", but now it's only for flying monsters. Any ideas? 10:42 Maybe it's something with the !grounded check, there's some double negation going on that confuses me 10:43 hmm 10:43 i'll have a look when time allows 10:43 crap! can't take my level 39 elder minotaur with me to vlad, and will probably take me long enough away he goes feral 10:45 I'll keep poking away at it 10:46 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:50 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:52 i wish i knew how i got this pet to level 39 10:53 i kinda wanna die and leave this 312hp level 39 elder minotaur to surprise whoever finds my bones 10:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5393 points, T:2812, killed by a dust vortex 10:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (giant eels), on T:292 (0:01:00) 10:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 198 points, T:418, killed by a bolt of cold 10:56 that's evil 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:115348 (1 day, 15:10:56) 10:56 approve 10:57 -!- eggandhull has joined #evilhack 10:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:937 (0:04:05) 11:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1359 (0:05:32) 11:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:2829 (0:13:56) 11:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3300 (0:18:49) 11:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 12724 points, T:5735, killed by an ape 11:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1476 points, T:1285, killed by a drow zombie 11:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2172 points, T:1260, killed by an ape 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:54614 (22:31:57) 11:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1180 points, T:1518, killed by spear trap 11:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 178 points, T:299, killed by a gas spore's explosion 11:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1306 points, T:732, killed by a giant beetle 12:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2393 points, T:2740, killed by a mountain dwarf, while sleeping 12:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1085 points, T:977, killed by a flint stone 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful revenant, on T:55046 (22:39:42) 12:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Aphrodite, on T:1853 (0:10:13) 12:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4644 points, T:1974, killed by a torrent of acid 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:55073 (22:41:19) 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:55138 (22:42:13) 12:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1977 points, T:1850, killed by a dust vortex 12:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1904 points, T:1300, killed by a forest centaur 12:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:380 (0:01:32) 12:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 633 points, T:408, killed by a piranha 12:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 44 points, T:54, killed by a sewer rat 12:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) stole 2765 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:473 (0:02:13) 12:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 150 points, T:478, killed by a magic missile, while sleeping 12:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2774 points, T:2151, killed by a champion of Brigit 12:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:816 (0:03:21) 12:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:985 (0:04:45) 13:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) performed her first genocide (giant eels), on T:2159 (0:13:15) 13:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3087 (0:17:45) 13:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5582 points, T:3146, killed by a dwarf lady 13:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:118761 (1 day, 17:26:35) 13:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:282 (0:01:00) 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6013 (0:53:15) 13:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 5343 points, T:4088, killed by an owlbear 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:119354 (1 day, 17:48:55) 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:119356 (1 day, 17:49:20) 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) genocided shocking spheres, on T:119356 (1 day, 17:49:31) 13:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:119357 (1 day, 17:49:47) 13:49 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a hill orc corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:7381 (1:16:44) 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 9503 points, T:7572, killed by a chameleon imitating an elder minotaur 13:58 :( 13:58 that'll be a fun bones 14:00 alas that reminds me of my bad fortune 14:01 i've done everything but vlad. can't do vlad without losing my l39 elder minotaur 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2501 points, T:2170, killed by a dwarf lord 14:09 ...i'm betting that if i smash my minotaur with a potion of levitation he will NOT levitate for 100 turns 14:10 but clearly he should 14:10 ooh monsters could love levitate at you offensively 14:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:21 leash your minotaur and drink cursed gain level? 14:21 actually not sure if leashing helps in that case 14:22 but as long as it's adjacent you're good 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1708 (0:11:42) 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:1791 (0:13:03) 14:36 won't help me get him back out tho terrapin 14:37 or i guess i can levelport out when done 14:37 i did totally space on vlad's tower going up 14:37 ok that is a brilliant idea for sure 14:37 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2630/source 14:38 time to gather components for this 14:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:3893 (0:28:40) 14:41 going back down he'll just jump to a nearby island and you can magic whistle him to the downstairs 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha) had a stone knife entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:4189 (0:30:31) 14:42 terrapin, you win the prize -- in vlad's with my elder minotaur, who is now guaranteed to be immediately disintegrated 14:43 heh 14:43 good luck! 14:49 i am offended my elder minotaur can open a door but not wear a necklace 14:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:120175 (1 day, 19:08:35) 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:120176 (1 day, 19:08:42) 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1068 (0:16:00) 14:59 K2: I figured out the underwater thing. So ... if you forcefight a flyer, it will remove and place the monster at your position, and you will attack, but you won't move. So both you and the mon occupy the same spot until you move. 15:01 aaaah 15:01 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1846 (0:13:18) 15:01 I think it's another 1 line fix, I'm going to test it now 15:02 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1130 (0:19:42) 15:03 Well, it could be a 1liner, but I think I'll leave it to you to fine tune. The original intention of the mechanic was not to allow fighting monsters from water, so if we just check for context.forcefight players could just do that again. 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:2339 (0:16:56) 15:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible k2's ghost, the former Adept, on T:2350 (0:17:15) 15:06 Something is engraved here on the headstone. You read: "k2, killed by a chameleon imitating an elder minotaur". 15:06 got your bones 15:06 and managed to kill that chameleon while it wasn't poly'd into a minotaur 15:06 !lastgame k2 15:06 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1689822075.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1577469384.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1576941662.evil.html 15:09 magic lamp in that bones 15:10 and i left my spellbooks in a nook to the left of the map 15:10 yep 15:10 healing/detect food/id 15:10 found your books already 15:17 !lastgame lacca 15:17 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1689873102.evil.html 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3883 (0:33:40) 15:24 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:24 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha), 12090 points, T:4499, killed by a tiger, while praying 15:28 zombie made me TermIll and I didn't notice 15:28 anyway, this has 3 magic lamps 15:28 !lastgame nabru 15:28 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1689878893.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1683120838.evil.html 15:28 *2 magic lamps 15:29 I recently got 4 and a gnome with a wand of death 15:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:56738 (1 day, 0:16:08) 15:53 nabru i hate you 15:53 :P 15:53 :P 15:53 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2636/source 15:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:55 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:02 K2: How about this? https://pastebin.com/Gz8UJ8Fz 16:03 i'll play with it 16:03 this would negate rogue thievery 16:04 well maybe not in hack'em i dunno if you turned that into a #tech or what 16:04 brb 16:08 Is it important to be able to steal underwater? 16:12 you could use it to have a sort of water troll retrieval system 16:14 lol, you need to patent that Umbire 16:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:15 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:15 1: Lure hostile water troll over square with submerged items 16:15 2: Lure back to land 16:15 3: Steal 16:15 4: ??? 16:15 5: Profit 16:16 \o/ 16:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 731 points, T:1207, killed by a mountain dwarf 16:28 could you not do something like if (context.forcefight) {You("flail wildly."); return FALSE;} ? 16:56 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 17:04 terrapin: You might be onto something there. 17:10 -!- arahael_ has joined #evilhack 17:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:15 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:24 terrapin: Yea I think your solution is good. I can steal from another tortle in the water, and when I try to steal from a red dragon I get "You flail wildly. You harmlessly attack the water." 17:34 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 17:36 !tell K2: https://github.com/elunna/hackem/compare/0b4d807878d4...e751be660cd3 17:36 I'm on it, hackemslashem. 17:47 o/ 17:47 K2: Message from hackemslashem at 2023-07-20 17:36 EDT: https://github.com/elunna/hackem/compare/0b4d807878d4...e751be660cd3 17:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:763 (0:54:59) 18:01 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 10007 points, T:8584, killed by a tortle shaman, while paralyzed by a monster 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3245 (1:18:45) 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:3282 (1:19:23) 18:40 ~The freezing sphere explodes! You are caught in the freezing sphere's explosion! 18:40 Unfortunately, you don't know how to fly. You plummet several thousand feet to your death. 18:40 I knew it 18:40 ...? 18:40 Did you not get/heed the warning about the chasm 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] eggandhull (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 350208 points, T:44803, fell to his death 18:41 :( 18:41 i knew it when i saw it's ice in ice queen's realm, knew it again when i saw a freezing sphere. but i failed to act by taking out the levi boots... 18:42 There was always the ice bridge 18:42 Provided you can deal with the Abominable Snowman 18:43 can this happen in vanilla too? 18:43 spheres destroying ice below you 18:43 ...no? 18:43 If anything they make ice below you if you're over water 18:44 sphere explosions don't blast away the ground under you in any sense, there's only elemental interactions to worry about 18:45 You sure you didn't like, fatfinger after the sphere exploded? 18:46 let me check log 18:46 The freezing sphere explodes! 18:46 You are caught in the freezing sphere's explosion! 18:46 Unfortunately, you don't know how to fly. 18:47 Sounds like it's instadeath 18:48 Well that's absolutely not supposed to be the case 18:48 So either something's seriously wrong on the game end or something was looked on the player end 18:48 To the taps 18:48 tapes* 18:49 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eggandhull/evilhack/dumplog/1689536515.evil.html 18:49 I'm using the ttyrec so I can see the turn-by-turn 18:50 Which, apparently you use an incredibly tall terminal window for Some Reason 18:50 ah on my big monitor 18:52 Okay so it's just visible enough that I can see you and the sphere 18:52 evilhack needs paranoid air 18:52 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 18:53 In any case there sphere didn't cause your death correctly, the explosion just went off before the game processed "hey you're not standing on anything, down you go" 18:53 But... 18:55 can someone restore my game then lol 18:57 What's to restore, far as the game cares you died 18:57 I was trying to take a gif of it but it didn't record 18:58 Even if it's determined something screwed you which, there seems to be a non-zero possibility, I'm not sure a post-death restore is exactly possible 18:59 But then I'm no server maintainer so grain of salt 18:59 https://ibb.co/H7b8Lcp Alright, so here's a play by play of the last few things I could see 19:01 let's give the hdf ttyrec player a look... 19:03 It's a bit janky on my end but lets me see the whole thing 19:03 Which is the important part 19:10 eggandhull you walked off the edge and it exploded on you at the same time 19:11 i think maybe you meant to hit it and misjudged 19:11 That's what I meant to say myself, though I apparently just 19:11 mangled that sentence, what the fuck Umby 19:11 there's no bug or issue here 19:12 I'm just double-checking to make sure, terminal size is unfortunately a hurdle for me 19:12 so I'm using hdf's player for the first time 19:12 (literally haven't had a reason to since I don't watch ttyrecs that often) 19:12 his terminal is really big, i viewed it in termplayer instead 19:12 termrec rather 19:13 I also don't remember if you can jump to specific frames on hf 19:13 no you cant 19:13 baw 19:13 i wish you could 19:13 the player on there works p. well generally, just need to get used to it 19:13 maybe paxed can be bothered to add it 19:13 far as the recording itself I'm just whiling away time waiting for it to reach that part 19:14 but anyways. freezing sphere had nothing to do with the falling into the chasm there 19:14 also all the trees show up as g for some reason 19:14 stepped off -> was right next to the sphere so it exploded like they are want to do -> then fell 19:14 "oLS would have saved him 19:15 again, 99% sure that's the case 19:15 100% 19:15 exploding sphere dont knockback or move you in any direction 19:15 I know 19:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Sioh (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 805 points, T:2067, killed by the Goblin King 19:16 I'm just trying to confirm absolutely and remove that last 1% of doubt 19:16 that tiny wriggling little uncertainty worm 19:16 Noisytoot - no evilhack does not need paranoid air. there's only three places where open air exists, and there's ample warning about it as you enter each place. its not the game's job to protect the player from themselves 19:17 watch your step :) 19:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4697 points, T:4218, killed by a dwarf queen 19:18 well the constant resizing mid-playback is annoying and doesn't help 19:18 that an amulet of life saving can actually save you from a fall now, that's plenty 19:19 eggandhull :/ 19:19 -!- arahael_ has joined #evilhack 19:19 dishes time 19:22 someone needs to make a custom interface for evilhack that adds paranoid air 19:22 I mean not really 19:24 it means you have to play very slowly if you have a bad connection 19:24 that tends to be the case anyway doesn't it 19:30 we've all died to air at some point eggandhull :-) i do it at vlad's a couple times a year when i forget to swap rings coming out 19:31 yeah, them's the breaks unfortunately 19:32 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:46 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:52 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1414 (0:10:14) 19:52 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:7199 (1:29:37) 19:53 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1564 (0:11:35) 19:56 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a steel short sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:7349 (1:33:02) 19:59 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 20:00 -!- arahael_ has quit [*.net *.split] 20:00 -!- arahael_ has joined #evilhack 20:05 k2: "stepped off -> was right next to the sphere so it exploded like they are want to do -> then fell" wait do you mean i stepped off first? in that case why wouldn't I instadie 20:05 you did die 20:06 you mean why did the sphere exlode first and then fell? 20:06 ok so before anything happened, this is the situation, right?: [chasm square] [sphere square] [me] 20:07 as you stepped into the chasm space, it also put you right next to the freezing sphere 20:07 is sphere on ice or on chasm? 20:07 chasm 20:07 Spheres can fly 20:07 wtf 20:07 the sphere that exploded was already flying above the chasm 20:07 ok 20:08 so it really is: [1 chasm square: sphere flying there] [me] 20:08 it was more like this: 20:08 that you stepped into the chasm is what killed you - the sphere exploding just before you died was just Looney Tunes-level insult to injury 20:08 e @ <---- space inbetween is the chasm space 20:08 you stepped onto it 20:08 which put you right next to the sphere 20:08 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Cha), 7874 points, T:2735, killed by a raven 20:09 before you fell, it exploded 20:09 holy F 20:09 luring e..... 20:09 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:09 i honestly did not bother to read up the map. i thought it's a dark area i just needed to explore 20:09 if i typed "g l", my character wouldn't move left, right? 20:09 yeah there can be so much text that you miss importatcues 20:10 "g h" 20:11 Doesn't "g" before movement make you run in that direction 20:11 it stops you if there's something "blocking" you, like a monster 20:12 g will move you left into a chasm 20:12 or something of interest 20:12 or is that run 20:12 there's a precursor i use to fast travel, it will stop you from running into unsafe spaces 20:12 i use numpad, so the combo is numpad 5 + numpad[direction number] 20:13 which is why i dont like paranoid water/lava either, as there's already a built in travel mode that will stop you from running into those spaces 20:13 I'd suggest setting SYMBOLS=S_AIR:~ or something similar so that air doesn't just look like rock or unexplored space 20:14 hmm nope 20:14 I want to say, evil patch idea, trap forces you to use whichever of number_pad or hjklyubn you don't have set, but I suspect it's been done 20:14 using any symbol would make you think its some sort of terrain 20:14 do i die the same way if walking into air without levi on Plane of Air? 20:15 no 20:15 i'm not saying it should be the default, it's just something i find helpful 20:15 plane of air, there's no gravity 20:15 it is air all the way down 20:15 terrapin ah you have that for your cfg you mean 20:16 that would drive me nuts 20:16 *more nuts 20:22 Is EvilHack the most fun variant? 20:22 Very subjective question 20:22 I personally find it hella fun 20:22 it is, after this death 20:22 new terrrain 20:23 Umbire: and oh the gelatinous cube situation you helped me with, i was thinking maybe "take out scroll + read genocide" was actually done in 1 turn, i had speed boots on 20:24 yeah, in general I encourage stopping to parse info and think a bit every now and then 20:24 i would say its one of the most rewarding. given how difficult it is, once you win there's a real sense of accomplishment 20:24 A lot of deaths preventable by resisting the urge to autopilot 20:24 evilhack has the best balance of difficulty, qol improvements, and fun while staying fairly cloth to the aesthetic of vanilla. 20:25 honestly I think the vibe is different enough from vanilla by now 20:25