00:16 how awesome is shield skill at expert? Does it have a chance to stun? 00:23 yeah 00:24 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/c798d64f1136ff81fc3d79538a5714e30742d045 00:25 knights and valkyries are the best with shields 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:72229 (17:36:47) 01:23 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #evilhack 01:24 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Client Quit] 02:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:2067 (0:08:02) 02:59 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2522 (0:10:41) 03:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:5270 (0:27:03) 03:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 15985 points, T:9159, drowned in a moat 03:48 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 04:00 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:01 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 04:02 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:02 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 04:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:21 [EvilHack] elunna opened issue #125: Found with fuzzer: obfree: deleting worn obj (4: 512) - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/issues/125 05:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:16 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:55 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 07:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1233 (0:12:06) 07:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1522 points, T:2851, killed by a piranha 08:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1774 points, T:4671, killed by a rabid rat 08:08 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Neu) had 14 steel shuriken entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1838 (0:17:15) 08:11 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2289 (0:19:56) 08:12 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:14 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:14 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 08:24 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 8324 points, T:3800, killed by a vampire king 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:3279 (0:33:39) 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3545 (0:42:23) 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (illithids), on T:1 (0:00:03) 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 09:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of magic resistance", on T:4435 (1:01:11) 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4983 (1:12:32) 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 115 points, T:536, killed by a sewer rat 09:18 [EvilHack] elunna opened issue #126: Wishing for dark elven/drow/droven objects doesn't work - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/issues/126 09:21 [EvilHack] elunna opened issue #127: global-buffer-overflow when initializing drow characters - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/issues/127 09:38 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:61105 (19:29:10) 10:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:02) 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:63071 (19:54:51) 10:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 40 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 10:37 well, idk why the arrows were considered worn, but regardless I now realize uhitm.c line 2043 should've probably been hero_breaks(obj, mon->mx, mon->my, BRK_FROM_INV) to handled unpaid objects 10:38 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:59 I think quivered counts as a type of "worn" mask or something 10:59 it does 11:00 but it should be unquivered in throw_obj---i can't figure out why it wasn't if or if it was requivered later somehow 11:03 Oh weird, I can wish for "dark elven" stuff now... Strange 11:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:04 yeah was about to say, i've never had any issues wishing for drow stuff 11:05 i remember someone else was having trouble with wishing drow stuff and then was able to do it fine. can't remember why 11:05 the only minor one was potions of drow poison but could only wish for one not multiple 11:05 maybe they tried 'droven' 11:05 that's not a thing 11:05 that might have been it 11:05 Maybe a hints file thing, or possibly ASAN? I disabled ASAN and now it works 11:06 weird 11:06 Ooh logger boots? That feels new 11:06 it is 11:06 new random descriptor 11:08 'droven' is inncorrect btw 11:08 *incorrect 11:08 I was just going by the previous slashem descriptions 11:08 yeah i gotcha, and i was too initially (slash'em/dnethack) 11:08 but they are wrong 11:09 But I tried everything for a bunch of drow wishes, still not sure why that didn't work 11:09 two examples that will work: 11:09 'dark elven long sword' 11:09 'drow long sword' 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 3421 points, T:2471, killed by a gray unicorn 11:12 So I'm in a lit shop, throwing quivered dark elven arrows, not able to reproduce it so far. Tried with and w/o a bow. Tried with a wielded weapon and quivered arrows, no luck 11:12 huh 11:13 you're doing all this testing because you're about to add evilhack drow to hack'em? 11:15 No, just want to jelp 11:15 err help 11:15 I don't have time for that right now, but it's been a while and want to keep my debugging skills sharp :) 11:16 cbus said to hold off on the drow 11:16 remove_worn_item() only unquivers an item if it's set as uquiver---I could see the fuzzer somehow managing to get the arrows' owornmask set as W_QUIVER while uquiver is set to something else, maybe 11:16 thank you very much, I appreciate that 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:51076 (14:09:26) 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 1062 points, T:1159, killed by the Goblin King 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:51404 (14:16:24) 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Pelias, on T:65953 (21:22:47) 12:00 hmm i thought killing pelias would fix the bell 12:10 are both quest ldr and nemesis dead? 12:18 krm26 ^ 12:25 yeah 12:25 maybe it just doesn't autoid after that? 12:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 21421 points, T:9473, killed by a dwarf queen 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Set, on T:66818 (21:57:56) 12:36 check #conduct 12:36 if you see that the quest is completed, you're ok 12:37 !! i always forget about #conduct. yeah, complete, thx 12:39 whew heh 12:39 should probably create some sort of event indicator so there's no guessing 12:40 and i think some variants livelog 'so and so has completed their quest' 12:41 of course you need to know in-game and not rely on livelog 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of magic resistance", on T:873 (0:12:50) 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1159 (0:17:17) 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1514 (0:21:59) 13:12 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3078 13:12 -!- Guest3078 has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 13:12 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3120 (0:46:44) 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fireproof master key of thievery", on T:67284 (22:46:07) 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide boots of jumping", on T:67285 (22:49:23) 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide helm of speed", on T:67286 (22:49:46) 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:67761 (23:05:36) 13:50 argh 13:50 yeenoghued in kathryn's level 13:53 you got this 13:54 debating coming back with some silver aklyses and boulder forting him 13:55 or trying to just duke it out 13:55 if duking it out is a bad idea i won't be able to escape a second time 13:55 i'm always so risk-averse but f it 13:57 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 13:58 ffuuuuu 13:58 lolthed too 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:68347 (23:24:47) 13:59 FUDFDFUFDUF 13:59 now juiblex 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:68355 (23:25:29) 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Lolth, on T:68363 (23:26:13) 14:00 collect them all 14:00 get the whole set 14:01 sheesh 14:01 now i can go die to kathryn 14:02 lucky i didn't get grazzted 14:03 you wouldnt have 14:03 now, the ice demon that started all of this is still alive 14:03 demon princes cant be gated in unless one has already been killed 14:03 oh rly? nice 14:03 yeah been that way for awhile now 14:03 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 14:04 hmm correction - a demon prince can also gate in a demon prince 14:04 but a lord or lower cannot 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:68489 (23:30:36) 14:05 this was done to guarantee an encounter with a demon prince on the third tier boss level in gehennom 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 9399 points, T:5071, killed by exhaustion 14:05 i've never been clear on who is what prince or lord or whatever 14:05 dbanethacker \o/ 14:05 Too much dallying with a succubus, alas. 14:06 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Gehennom <--- third tier are princes (and also orcus) 14:13 The ice troll swings his triple-headed flail named Butcher. 14:13 \o/ 14:17 that doesn't seem fair. could i pick it up if i was polyd into a troll? 14:17 could you pick it up if you were coaligned? 14:22 players can use butcher 14:22 its the wand of orcus they cant use 14:23 ahh, doh 14:25 a giant barbarian dual wielding butcher + another 2handed weapon would just rip through everything just about 14:25 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide oilskin cloak", on T:69221 (23:51:19) 14:25 ^ wont get the dragonhide 14:25 oh f me 14:26 for some reason i was thinking that was just the property, and the item was different 14:26 well it isn't a krm26 game if i don't throw away a few wishes 14:26 you'll need to 'fix' it now heh 14:26 nah that was still a good wish 14:26 just oilskin will always be cloth 14:28 i had an oilskin cloak, was just upgrading to dragonhide cuz I had no enchant armor :-P 14:29 d o h 14:58 after chopping through 3 demon lords i still have absolutely no way of dealing with a damn antimatter vortex 14:58 my kingdom for magic missile 15:03 wish there was some way to shove a floating eye corpse down a herbivorous pet's throat 15:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:04 You have to wait for them to get super-hungry 15:07 i also don't understand why herbivores dont like to eat gel cubes for resists 15:08 throw it at them 15:08 uggggh my daughter has discovered madonna, which is fine, and is now playing material girl for like the 80th time in a row, which is not 15:08 and when she is done i think she is gonna try playing it on her cello 15:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had an orcish spear entrusted to her by Set, on T:71417 (1 day, 0:35:04) 15:11 this is the part where I remind you that gel cubes are acidic 15:11 balsamic vinegar is acidic but MY pegasus still likes to lick it 15:12 wait til she discovered alanis morrisette 15:12 *discoveres 15:12 -e 15:12 spelling - level 0 15:14 i'm still gritting my teeth about her liking madonna more than joni mitchell 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:14196 (2:22:38) 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had a silver shield of mobility entrusted to her by Set, on T:71983 (1 day, 0:43:36) 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 55125 points, T:14711, killed by an elven arrow 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:72268 (17:37:38) 15:53 Umbire: I felt our "swords made of elves" discussion was worthy of nhqdb. 15:54 neat 16:11 in glorantha, swords ARE made of elves (and elves are made of wood) 16:14 Straw poll for those who see this - how many of you do NOT go for the Bag of Holding at the end of Sokoban?  I'd think that most do, but would like to be proven wrong.  It'd be great if you include why you go for the " or the [ instead. 16:15 i never do 16:15 for the vast majority of role/race combos, the amulet roulette will be better 16:15 for those that it isn't the armor is probably better 16:16 I tend towards the bag whenever I'm having inventory issues 16:16 with Evil there's a bit less incentive to leave stuff lying around 16:16 in fact, this run (orc barbarian already with bones cloak of mr, amulet of reflection, and boots of speed) is the first of probably the last 40 times i've gone for the bag/marker 16:17 so i'd say 80% amulet, 18% armor, 2% bag 16:20 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:28 I rarely go for the armor for my part 16:34 I always get the amulet. 16:35 safety before utility. If I've already got reflection and MR I go for the armor. 16:35 I think only once I went for the tool closet and that's because I had everything else already. 16:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1159 (0:44:17) 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1121 points, T:1184, killed by a giant bat 17:01 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 21 points, T:87, killed by a water elemental 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:50358 (1 day, 11:16:26) 17:21 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 17:22 I lost my connection there - thanks krm26 an Umbire for the replies.  I didn't see if anyone else also replied - thanks if you did. 17:22 log should be in the topic 17:23 I almost always go amulet, and often armor after that. Either might be ascension kit material as well as being immediately useful. BoH will eventually be dropped for hesperides, and markers are in theory great but I never make good use of them and they aren't immediately helpful usually. 17:23 or, not directly in the topic 17:23 (starting typing just before you joined!) 17:23 https://www.hardfought.org/irclog.evil/ 17:23 Good points all - maybe I'll go more for the amulet. 17:27 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:39 -!- mariari has joined #evilhack 17:51 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:57064 (15:41:53) 18:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:57069 (15:42:53) 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) refused to give up The Eye of the Aethiopica to Neferet the Green, on T:57371 (15:47:04) 18:36 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:46 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Cen Fem Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:1222 (0:09:37) 18:49 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2165 points, T:3007, killed by a rothe 18:54 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered Vita Fidelia, her faithful warhorse, on T:51984 (1 day, 12:49:11) 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 76 points, T:377, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse, while praying 19:15 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Cen Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:1677 (0:36:21) 19:17 dbanethacker: did you get my answer or were you disconnected? 19:17  I did not - what did you say? 19:17 since you're doing a scientific survey 19:17 I always get the amulet. 19:17 safety before utility. If I've already got reflection and MR I go for the armor. 19:17 I think only once I went for the tool closet and that's because I had everything else already. 19:17 yeah - straw poll science ! 19:18 Ok, safety makes sense.  Thanks for checking in about this.  Most people seem to agree with your line of thinking and go for the amulet. 19:39 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Cen Fem Cha), 9032 points, T:3859, killed by an energy vortex 20:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:997 (0:56:02) 20:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2110 (1:15:56) 20:56 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #evilhack 21:13 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:05 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Orcranger (Pri Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:13076 (6:36:33) 23:33 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack