00:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3999 (0:27:04)
00:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:6270 (0:50:21)
00:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6672 (0:53:44)
00:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of low boots entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:7043 (0:59:21)
01:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 18 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:9338 (1:18:18)
01:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 16 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:9563 (1:19:45)
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02:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:16028 (2:16:59)
02:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:18093 (2:31:44)
02:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a demilich, on T:19861 (2:44:21)
02:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] UmberConductor (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1832 (2:00:45)
02:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] UmberConductor (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 1216 points, T:2018, killed by a piranha
02:48 <Umbire> bat + hidden piranha = gg no re
03:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] UmberConductor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:853 (0:45:51)
04:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] UmberConductor (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1306 (1:25:22)
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05:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4608 (1:14:14)
05:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:7177 (1:33:24)
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05:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:8381 (1:43:04)
05:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 16507 points, T:10053, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted owlbear
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08:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a silver long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:27092 (11:00:03)
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08:32 <Loggers_VIII> how do you train thievery again?
08:35 <Loggers_VIII> ah I see
08:35 <K2> bare handed shift_F
08:35 <K2> +
08:35 <K2> so your current game, you'll have thievery skill but it'll only go up to skilled
08:35 <K2> new game it'll be up to expert
08:38 <Loggers_VIII> cool
08:38 <Loggers_VIII> found a bug with it
08:39 <Loggers_VIII> I'm 95% of the way to basic, trying to thieve and failing still produces the "you feel more confident in your fighting skills" message even though I can't enhance it yet
08:39 <K2> i think that will go away with a new game
08:40 <K2> i changed skills for convicts so it may play wonky with current games since they started on older code
08:40 <Loggers_VIII> ah
08:40 <Loggers_VIII> pff just stole 57 rocks from a dwarf lord and stressed myself
08:45 <K2> heh
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08:45 <K2> 'i'll be taking these... ooof'
08:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 4812 points, T:5042, killed by a drow zombie, while praying
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08:59 <Loggers_VIII> hahahaha goblin dropped Keolewa on level one
09:00 <K2> heh
09:00 <K2> so now you should notice thievery starts at basic skill
09:01 <Loggers_VIII> ah yeah
09:02 <mobileuser> time to steal more rocks
09:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:2787 (0:05:01)
09:04 <K2> wow
09:13 <K2> i wonder if expert in thievery was too much
09:13 <K2> for convicts
09:13 <Loggers_VIII> no
09:13 <K2> maybe skilled makes more sense
09:13 <Loggers_VIII> nonono
09:13 <Loggers_VIII> I want to do something funny
09:13 <K2> if they were expert they wouldnt have been caught and become a convict
09:13 <Loggers_VIII> someone snitche
09:13 <Loggers_VIII> *snitched
09:13 <K2> heh
09:14 <K2> snitches get stitches
09:16 <cbus> what does having expert do?
09:17 <Loggers_VIII> just makes your stealing chances higher, as far as I know
09:17 <cbus> is stealing useful at all? 
09:17 <Loggers_VIII> yes
09:17 <Loggers_VIII> very
09:17 <cbus> for what use cases?
09:17 <cbus> I am genuinely curious cause cant you just kill and get the items any how :D
09:17 <cbus> (I guess player characters could be stolen from?)
09:18 <Loggers_VIII> there are some cases where stealing from them makes the killing much easier
09:18 <K2> you can also steal from peacefuls
09:19 <Umbire> steal a weapon that's just fucking up your day, a la disarm 
09:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 778 points, T:3723, withered away, while frozen by a potion
09:21 <Loggers_VIII> lol
09:21 <Loggers_VIII> any run that good was gonna diee
09:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 322 points, T:1089, killed by an iguana
10:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:32950 (12:57:11)
10:12 <K2> i need to spin up my priest drow game before i forget what i was doing
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10:27 <dbanethacker> Hi - I found it odd that an mithril elven shield gave me a lower AC than a mithril dwarvish roundshield.
10:28 <dbanethacker> It was just by 1 point, but still, it left me wondering.
10:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:20171 (2:49:27)
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10:31 <mobileuser> that is odd dbanethacker
10:31 <dbanethacker> The elven shield is lighter - that's the only think I can see for a difference.  Normally elven shields are made of wood and dwarvish of iron, but in this case both are mithril.
10:32 <dbanethacker> ... the only thing ...
10:32 <Loggers_VIII>   wonky
10:32 <mobileuser> yeah but as long as dwarvish shield doesn't burden you, that shouldn't matter
10:33 <Loggers_VIII> are you burdened picking up dwarven shield
10:33 <dbanethacker> Yeah I'm sticking with the elven one since it's lighter.
10:33 <Loggers_VIII> being burdened increases AC by one point
10:33 <dbanethacker> no, not burdened either way.  No BoH (got MM in Soko!) so I'm relying on chests and just found a sack.
10:33 <Loggers_VIII> weird
10:34 <Loggers_VIII> I had a similar problem with dwarvish mithril boots in a recent game
10:34 <mobileuser> and human, so it's not a racial thing
10:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 141414 points, T:20892, quit
10:35 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame dragonsidedd
10:35 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DragonSidedD/evilhack/dumplog/1684209019.evil.html
10:35 <dbanethacker> snow boots are my speed boots so no problem there.
10:35 <Loggers_VIII> people just be quitting over NOTHING
10:36 <Loggers_VIII> "oh no I attacked a coaligned priest time to throw three hours of gameplay straight into the garbage"
10:37 <dbanethacker> When you quit does it leave a bones pile?  There wasn't much to write home about in his stuff.
10:37 <Loggers_VIII> no
10:38 <Loggers_VIII> which is why I will forever despise mid-to-late-game quitters
10:38 <Loggers_VIII> at least leave some goodies for the rest of us >:(
10:38 <dbanethacker> Yeah you could at least just die and try to leave an uncursed bones pile for another.
10:38 <dbanethacker> jinx!
10:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:803 (0:05:02)
10:38 <Loggers_VIII> hah only two striking zaps
10:39 <mobileuser> quit should automatically make you die. you can always walk out of the dungeon if you want.
10:40 <mobileuser> oh that doesn't work with post163, nvm
10:40 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 1518 points, T:1053, suffocated by a water elemental
10:40 <mobileuser> altar conversion?
10:40 <Loggers_VIII> nah drinkin from sinks
10:41 <mobileuser> what is the advantage of sink quaffing?
10:41 <Loggers_VIII> none, really
10:41 <mobileuser> I always turn them into fountains...
10:41 <Loggers_VIII> but sometimes you can get turned into a nice polyform
10:42 <mobileuser> ah and lose the ball and chain. or the shirt
10:42 <dbanethacker> you could get a potion to come out of the faucet of a sink.
10:43 <dbanethacker> or if you're strong enough, a water elemental that will give you some XP to help level up
10:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 36 points, T:1032, killed by a water demon
10:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1290 points, T:1967, suffocated by the water elemental of Chih Sung-tzu
10:44 <dbanethacker> Loggers_VIII - I just burdened myself but didn't lose any AC.  Does it not update the status bar correctly, perhaps?
10:44 <mobileuser> water elemental of Chih Sung-tzu, THAT is altar conversion
10:45 <mobileuser> dbanethacker are you using curses?
10:45 <dbanethacker> Serves him right for quitting.  :-D
10:45 <dbanethacker> Yes
10:45 <mobileuser> heh
10:45 <mobileuser> yeah curses can be wonky
10:45 <mobileuser> don't know what the command is for a screen refresh
10:46 <dbanethacker> Hmmm,that's true - let me save and come back.
10:46 <dbanethacker> Nope - saving and returning - I'm the same AC
10:46 <mobileuser> more weirdness
10:46 <dbanethacker> Maybe you lose an AC point if you go from burdened to stressed?
10:47 <mobileuser> my experience is that "burdened" already makes you lose AC
10:47 <dbanethacker> I believe ya - I just can't duplicate it.
10:49 <Graznop> control r for a screen refresh?
10:49 <dbanethacker> qq - if I have a burnt sack - IIRC you have to wield it and then read ? of EW to make it hale - does that sound right?
10:49 <K2> yes, while confused
10:50 <dbanethacker> ah, that's the ticket.  and if my sack gets "burned away" does it lose all its contents?  Or do they just fall to the ground?
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10:51 <Loggers_VIII> no idea
10:51 <dbanethacker> As a Valk I'm thinking about doing my quest but have no BoH and only a thoroughly burned sack - the MM is dry and I have no ? of EW at this point.
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10:51 <Loggers_VIII> just use mjollnir
10:51 <dbanethacker> eh?
10:51 <Loggers_VIII> fire brand wouldn't be good even enchanted since all the valk quest monsters are fire resistant
10:52 <Loggers_VIII> oh I thought you meant for weapons
10:52 <dbanethacker> Oh, no, I'm thinking of my poor sack.
10:52 <Loggers_VIII> I don't think it'll get burned unless you walk on lava, iirc
10:52 <dbanethacker> Yeah, I never mean to do that but those giants sure are pushy.
10:52 <Loggers_VIII> no lev?
10:53 <dbanethacker> I have " of flying and = of lev
10:53 <Loggers_VIII> if you wear one of those your sack won't get burned even if you get pushed onto a lava square
10:53 <dbanethacker> so being over the lava is not the issue.  The sack burning and me losing all in it is the potential problem.
10:53 <Loggers_VIII> I know, but the only way that'll happen is lava I think
10:54 <dbanethacker> Ok, I was concerned that being over the lava would be hot enough to burn away my sack.
10:54 <Loggers_VIII> no, it's just water walking over lava that burns inventory; lev and flying is ifne
10:54 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, that could be a newbie trap to install - the guy who greases his sack finds it getting burned when next to or over lava, perhaps?  Evilhack indeed!
10:55 <Loggers_VIII> heh
10:55 <dbanethacker> water walking - that's what I was trying to figure out.  Makes sense - you're higher with other means of levitation.
10:55 <dbanethacker> ... higher up in the air ....
10:55 <Loggers_VIII> :)
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10:56 <K2> if a container is destroyed, the contents fall out
10:56 <Graznop> dbanethacker: dwarven (iron) and elven (wood) shields have the same base AC (in Evilhack). If both are made of mithril, base AC is modified by 1 for dwarven and 2 for elven (the difference between the base material AC and the actual material AC)
10:56 <K2> you dont want that to happen over a pool or esp lava
10:56 <dbanethacker> Right.  And if I'm over lava then there go my goodies.
10:56 <K2> all the ones that can burn, yes
10:57 <dbanethacker> ah - so there is a method behind the madness!  Thanks Graznop !!
10:57 <mobileuser> TIL
10:57 <Loggers_VIII> weird
10:57 <Loggers_VIII> some day I'll figure out what happened to my boots
10:58 <dbanethacker> Maybe it's bug with mithril boots that make you go from being unburdened to burdened?
10:58 <Loggers_VIII> nah there was no burdened status
10:59 <dbanethacker> Ok, breakfast time.  TTYL
10:59 <Loggers_VIII> o/
11:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 227 points, T:2172, killed by a sewer rat, while praying
11:04 <Graznop> question: is it the game or the scoreboard which decides a character description string (e.g. "inf-dem-mal-una")?
11:04 <Graznop> and has this changed recently?
11:05 <aosdict> the game determines the 3-char strings and puts them into the xlogfile, but any combination of those strings is from something reading the xlogfile
11:05 <aosdict> is this about the "dem" part, with an infidel lacking information about which race it was originally?
11:05 <Graznop> thanks
11:06 <Graznop> yes, this is about the demon part
11:06 <aosdict> note that the game ALSO puts in extra 3-char strings for gender0 and align0, which are the ones you started as. evilhack needs to implement a race0 field that will preserve that information from infidel but I'm pretty sure it hasn't been deployed yet?
11:06 <Graznop> I'm on a quest to complete all races, and I'm not sure if getting a demon is possible anymore :(
11:07 <K2> aosdict yes race0 was deployed with 0.8.2
11:07 <aosdict> oh, then since the scoreboard is now using race0, demon is indeed not possible anymore
11:08 <aosdict> (according to the scoreboard)
11:08 <K2> malor has the data he needs to adjust past infidel asc so the first to ascend table is correct
11:08 <K2> i dont think he's worked on it yet
11:08 <malor> I plan to hammer it out today.
11:08 <K2> oh neat
11:09 <aosdict> the point of the different fields is so that e.g. Beholder can report "you ascended as a demon infidel" but a tournament backend, for instance, can say "yeah but that valk didn't START male"
11:09 <K2> luckily the dumplog already states what starting race was
11:10 <K2> so it was trivial to get malor the correct data. just took some time because 17 separate inf asc
11:10 <cbus> aosdict, I ascended a Val-Dwa-Mal-Cha in TNNT :)
11:10 <aosdict> yeah but that valk didn't START male
11:10 <aosdict> ^ tournament backend
11:11 <aosdict> relevant for things like "how many unique starting rrag combinations did you/your clan ascend"
11:11 <Graznop> malor: so once the data are adjusted, will the demon race disappear?
11:12 <malor> I am pretty sure, yes.
11:12 <Graznop> excellent! thx
11:23 <aosdict> only a problem if other people have it but you can't eh
11:28 <Graznop> problem is not so much other people having it, as there being an unfillable gap in my record :)
11:39 <Loggers_VIII> does a very heavy iron ball do more damage than a regular one
11:45 <K2> no it does less
11:46 <K2> because we're unbalanced af
11:46 <Loggers_VIII> :(
11:48 <Loggers_VIII> the way I see it: if you scroll ID punishment scroll, you will never read it; if you read it to ID, you'll never read another; if you read it as convict you #quit. So my YASI is that it does more damage to be a silly niche strategy
11:49 <Loggers_VIII> I bet in slashem it does more damage
11:49 <K2> prob
11:51 <Loggers_VIII> brb lunch
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11:53 <dbanethacker> !tell Loggers_VII You must be on the east coast?
11:53 <Hecubus> Loggers_VII shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, dbanethacker.
11:56 <dbanethacker> !tell Loggers_VIII You must be on the east coast?
11:56 <Hecubus> Will do, dbanethacker!
11:57 <dbanethacker> side question - when you use the ! tell command does everyone in the room see that you put in that tell command?
11:58 <Graznop> !tell dbanethacker yes
11:58 <Hecubus> dbanethacker shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Graznop.
11:59 <dbanethacker> LOL
11:59 <Hecubus> dbanethacker: Message from Graznop at 2023-05-16 11:58 EDT: yes
11:59 <krm26> !tell dbanethacker no, we don't see anything
11:59 <Hecubus> I'm on it, krm26.
11:59 <dbanethacker> Thanks for showing me what it does !
11:59 <Hecubus> dbanethacker: Message from krm26 at 2023-05-16 11:59 EDT: no, we don't see anything
12:01 <dbanethacker> The ! tell command does show up.  But we're not "told" a second time, and if the recipient is logged in then that person is not told at all until they post again.
12:01 <K2> if you want to send a !tell privately using Hecubus (or Beholder in #hardfought), DM the bot
12:03 <dbanethacker> DM ?
12:04 <dbanethacker> I've heard of doing things on the DL but never the DM.  Do tell....
12:04 <K2> direct message
12:04 <K2> or PM (private message)
12:04 <K2> same thing
12:04 <dbanethacker> Ah, gotcha.  Thanks for the clarification!
12:10 <dbanethacker> IIRC as a Val if you do your quest you don't get MR or anything of value needed to proceed deeper in the game, right?  Perhaps a bit of strength and fire resistance from the giants, but otherwise is there any need to do the quest ASAP ?
12:11 <dbanethacker> Yes you get the Bell of Opening but you don't need that until the end game, practically.  It doesn't confer MR, so I'm thinking of delaying my completion of the quest.
12:11 <dbanethacker> Any thoughts from the peanut gallery?
12:13 <K2> half physical damage, plus you can use it to scare most monsters
12:13 <K2> level tele, warning
12:13 <K2> acts as a luckstone
12:13 <K2> i'd go for it
12:14 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, those are valid points.  Thanks for that!
12:14 <Graznop> can you use it to wake demon lords too?
12:15 <K2> not lucifer
12:15 <K2> but the rest yeah, its range is the entire level you're on
12:15 <Graznop> Vecna too?
12:15 <K2> no
12:15 <K2> vecna is special
12:21 <krm26> i have used gjal to wake vecna k2
12:21 <krm26> or did you fix that?
12:22 <krm26> (gjal is the best, don't delay your quest)
12:22 <dbanethacker> Hey this got a chuckle.  I walked next to a sleeping nymph and set off a magic trap.  It pacified and charmed anything next to me, so the nymph is now showing as my pet.  But it's still asleep!
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12:25 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, not sure if this is something we want to fix.  I tinned a giant zombie and ate the tin.  No zombifying effects, just gained some strength.  An oversight, perhaps?
12:25 <K2> nope
12:25 <K2> tinning gets rid of the zombie disease
12:26 <K2> (in grunthack it does not)
12:26 <dbanethacker> Ah, good to know then.
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12:27 <dbanethacker> Another curiosity - as a Valk I saw that eating something cold like a frost salamander gave me the message "you feel slightly warmer" as if it was upping my cold intrinsic.  But I thought I already was 100% cold resistant, so why the message?
12:29 <K2> you prob arent 100% cold res intrinsicly
12:29 <K2> oh as a valk
12:29 <K2> huh
12:29 <K2> did you tangle with any gremlins at all?
12:32 <dbanethacker> Not that I recall.  I get it every time.
12:32 <dbanethacker> (the message)
12:32 <dbanethacker> I checked with a ! of enlightenment and it says that I'm 100%
12:33 <K2> what are you wearing
12:33 <K2> hah that sounds bad
12:33 <K2> 'so ahhhh... whatcha wearing?'
12:33 <dbanethacker> another qq - does the quest leader for Valks stand on an altar?  It seems that for some other classes they always have an altar on their quest leader level but I don't think so for valks.
12:34 <K2> but seriously what gear are you wearing that could give cold res
12:34 <dbanethacker> speed boots, shirt, plate mail, cloak of protection, helmet, mithril gauntlets, mithril shield,
12:35 <dbanethacker> yeah, no gear except white dragon scales gives cold res., right?
12:35 <K2> yes
12:35 <K2> take that off
12:35 <K2> then zap enlightment again
12:36 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, no / of enlightenment and out of !'s of enlightenment.
12:36 <dbanethacker> Let me take it all off and eat another fire ant.
12:37 <K2> you mean frost salamander
12:37 <K2> or a winter wolf
12:37 <K2> i think you lost cold res somewhere along the way
12:38 <K2> on my test box, valk eats frost salamander corpse, no 'you feel warmer' msg
12:38 <dbanethacker> Oh right.  Yeah - I'm not on Kate's level - I'll try that when I get there.  I'm near my quest leader at the moment.
12:39 <bouquet> K2: this reminds me... if a demon drops my fire resist to 50%, can I use a ring of fire protection to get 100% while I wait for their spell to timeout?
12:39 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, maybe I'm confusing it with the fire intrinsic not the cold one.
12:41 <bouquet> I think I tried that and was still feeling the heat of gehennom.
12:41 <bouquet> "you are roasting alive"
12:41 <K2> yeah the vulnerability spell overrides everything else
12:41 <K2> the effect is temp
12:42 <bouquet> eeeeevil
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12:46 <Loggers_VIII> @e?earth elemental
12:46 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: Message from dbanethacker at 2023-05-16 11:56 EDT: You must be on the east coast?
12:46 <Hecubus> earth elemental (E) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire cold poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 4d6 claw physical, 4d6 engulf physical | Align: 0 | phases, breathless, mindless, thick hide, passes-bars, vegan
12:47 <Loggers_VIII> dbanethacker maybe? am in milwaukee
12:47 <Loggers_VIII> not sure if that counts
12:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:47758 (13:45:34)
12:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 431 points, T:665, killed by trying to drink molten lava
12:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 384 points, T:772, killed by trying to drink molten lava
12:54 <K2> huh gjallar does work on vecna
12:54 <K2> i wonder why i thought that it didnt
12:54 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
12:54 <Loggers_VIII> earthquake drum does too
12:59 <krm26> not from the stairs it doesn't
13:01 <Loggers_VIII> yea it does I've done it before
13:01 <Loggers_VIII> I did it because YOU told me it didn't wake him from the stairs
13:03 <krm26> i only did it from the stairs the once, but it did NOT wake him. was that a change? that might have been my 3rd vecna
13:04 <K2> i didnt change range of the drum
13:04 <Loggers_VIII> does the range vary maybe?
13:04 <krm26> dunno what to say then loggers. i'll try it next time.
13:04 <krm26> it does by level i think?
13:04 <Loggers_VIII> ah that might be it
13:04 <krm26> i may have been just 18 or so
13:04 <Loggers_VIII> I'm always 30 by vecna
13:05 <krm26> ah, i try not to hit 30 until after the amulet if i don't get lured by wraiths
13:05 <krm26> there is no upside to the last 10 levels until then imo
13:06 <Loggers_VIII> hp pw to-hit and spell chance man
13:06 <Loggers_VIII> but yeah the only role that benefits a ton from it is monk
13:11 <krm26> doesnt really matter what monks do, they are always on cruise control :-)
13:11 <Loggers_VIII> haha fair :)
13:12 <Loggers_VIII> there's like fifteen minutes of scary gameplay at the castle and then you win
13:13 <krm26> i haven't done a monk since GoPurity and HoV were available, gotta check out ez mode's ez mode some day
13:17 <Loggers_VIII> gopur+silver kicking boots with grandmaster skill is insane damage in gehennom
13:17 <Loggers_VIII> 70-80 a round easy
13:18 <bouquet> just ascended a monk, can confirm.
13:18 <bouquet> silver kicking boots weren't as awesome as I'd hoped, though.
13:18 <K2> nerf!
13:18 <Loggers_VIII> no they are too good to nerf
13:18 <Loggers_VIII> and anyway you can just play giant samurai if you want to get really crazy :P
13:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4672 (0:05:40)
13:20 <K2> :P
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 967 points, T:4746, killed by a sewer rat
13:22 <Loggers_VIII> @e?yeenoghu
13:22 <Hecubus> Yeenoghu (&) | Lvl: 56 | Diff: 31 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison magic drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: -5 | Atk: 3d6 weapon physical, 2d8 weapon confuse, 1d6 claw paralyze, 6d6 cast magic missile | Align: -15 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, silverhate, infravis
13:22 <bouquet> giant samurai is my happy place.
13:30 <K2> :)
13:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 256 points, T:871, killed by a giant rat
13:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a steel long sword entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:367 (0:02:08)
13:47 <K2> oh damn thats a nice early gift
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14:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 74 points, T:705, killed by a grid bug
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14:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Lolth, on T:12410 (3:18:16)
14:21 <krm26> oh f me, can't make staff of the archmagi can i, it lights up
14:21 <K2> you can
14:22 <K2> the SotA knows when a drow is wielding it
14:22 <K2> makes dark instead
14:22 <krm26> oooooooooo
14:22 <krm26> oooooooooooooooo
14:22 <K2> o
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14:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 288 points, T:667, killed by a water demon
14:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:14170 (3:44:40)
14:39 <Graznop> only been playing for 200 turns and already missing drow ultravision...
14:40 <K2> heh
14:40 <K2> yeah its nice isnt it?
14:40 <K2> non drow can get it from wearing shadow dragon scales
14:40 <mobileuser> K2 a question about the SotA wielded by drow
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14:41 <K2> shoot
14:41 <mobileuser> can it still be cursed by the darkening ability of other drow?
14:41 <K2> no it shouldnt
14:41 <mobileuser> heh
14:41 <K2> dark vs dark shouldnt have any effect
14:41 <K2> but lets see
14:41 <K2> to the wizmodeboxmobile
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14:42 <mobileuser> make lots of the darkening bastards
14:42 <mobileuser> it's only a chance...
14:42 <mobileuser> but when I was on astral, my SotA was constantly under attack
14:43 <K2> lots of drow npcs?
14:44 <mobileuser> I don't know really, didn't check
14:44 <K2> yeah dark vs dark is fine
14:44 <mobileuser> ah so krm26 will be fine
14:44 <K2> mobileuser in demon form the SotA would have cast light
14:44 <mobileuser> yeah
14:45 <K2> so it'd take a source of darkness to affect it
14:45 <K2> and vice versa
14:45 <mobileuser> but as Infidel the cursed status luckily didn't matter much
14:46 <K2> i'm leaning towards changing that behavior. the curse/bless sources of artifact light originally comes from another magic source, like a cursed/blessed scroll of light
14:46 <K2> a drow's aura of darkness uses the same function
14:46 <K2> but you could argue its not as powerful magic in nature
14:47 <mobileuser> agreed
14:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:34569 (15:11:14)
14:52 <dbanethacker> Thanks, all, for the advice to have MR if possible from a magic lamp ASAP.  It's saved me from polymorphing and from a number of / of Death that the fire giants in Lord Surtur's lair happened to have and shoot at me.
14:52 <K2> \o/
14:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34680 (15:19:46)
15:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 524 points, T:1718, killed by a sewer rat
15:26 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±10] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/e7b8779bd3a6...84d225ba1828
15:27 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 8dcbbec - Drow aura of darkness and sources of 'artifact light'.
15:27 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 84d225b - Convict thievery skill adjustment.
15:29 <K2> ^ live
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15:30 <Loggers_VIII> "convict thievery skill adjustment" noooo
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15:32 <Loggers_VIII> I've got one shot to ascend a dro con with expert thievery skill
15:32 <K2> heh
15:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 427 points, T:1097, killed by a wererat
15:36 <Loggers_VIII> blew it
15:36 <Loggers_VIII> wererat is guaranteed death early on
15:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:18465 (4:44:46)
15:39 <krm26> dammit
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15:41 <K2> back in a bit
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15:59 <Loggers_VIII> lol k2 went in on janis on rgrn
16:01 <Loggers_VIII> oh my that was catharsis 
16:02 <Loggers_VIII> I'm tempted to interject because recranger is really pissin me off
16:02 <Loggers_VIII> argh go back to con dro it's the only thing you know
16:02 <bouquet> which thread?
16:03 <Loggers_VIII> the one on monster gen
16:03 <Loggers_VIII> ratez
16:03 <Loggers_VIII> *rates
16:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a staff of holiness entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:20743 (5:08:35)
16:03 <Loggers_VIII> actually I like ratez better
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16:04 <bouquet> Janis must go through keyboards like I go through loaves of bread.
16:05 <Loggers_VIII>  he pisses me off more than con dro tbh
16:05 <Loggers_VIII> speaking of, can I win that already? it's about time
16:05 <mobileuser> what unspeakable things do you do to loaves of bread
16:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 127 points, T:571, killed by a giant rat
16:07 <bouquet> I lol'd at K2's comment.
16:07 <Loggers_VIII> fuckit I'm interjecting
16:07 <Loggers_VIII> my self-control is at an all-time low
16:08 <bouquet> nerd fight!
16:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21344 (5:13:29)
16:08 <Loggers_VIII> lol
16:09 <bouquet> I quit reading rgrn regularly probably 20 years ago. I think all the sane people moved to IRC.
16:09 <aosdict> bouquet: the "most knowledgeable nethack player" comment?
16:10 <bouquet> "
16:10 <bouquet> "Could you? Please? PLEASE make your own variant." but it only got better.
16:11 <bouquet> I'm sure K2 kicks puppies and spits on the elderly in real life, but he's a total peach in IRC. I don't get where Janis is picking this up. 
16:11 <bouquet> Also, having been a troll spotter most of my internet life I observe that Janis is definitely using some of the troll playbook.
16:13 <aosdict> wrt the "it can be a boon to have more monster spawns because monsters drop a fair amount of stuff", this was actually a balance flaw brought up in a different thread - evilhack and hackem throw lots and lots of items at the hero
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16:13 <krm26> am i missing new drama
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16:15 <aosdict> "*extremely* dismissive, arrogant and made fun of my plight" <-- tinfoil hat theory: recranger is... JarlEarl?!
16:17 <bouquet> recranger takes games too seriously if they can't handle the peanut gallery.
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16:22 <Loggers_VIII> wait a minute
16:22 <Loggers_VIII> oh nevermind
16:24 <mobileuser> difficult to kill monster that requires thinking ahead = UNBALANCED
16:24 <krm26> maybe *I'M* recranger!?
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16:24 <mobileuser> I never hear you say "unbalanced" :-)
16:25 <mobileuser> you just swear a lot :b
16:25 <krm26> mmm dismiss me again baby
16:25 <krm26> oh come on i almost *lw*ys use *ster*sks when i sw**r
16:25 <krm26> so nobody will realize i'm swearing at all!
16:26 <mobileuser> true!
16:26 <bouquet> krm26: is your fetish being harrassed on usenet newsgroups?
16:27 <krm26> dont kink shame me
16:27 <bouquet> I thought I saw you at alt.sex.cthulhu
16:28 <krm26> you know, i was getting harassed about game design decisions in the late 80s, in much smaller forums (plato notefiles), and it was SO AGGRAVATING
16:29 <krm26> takes all your willpower to not add lots of cruel namechecks to the code
16:31 <bouquet> so anyway... same race sacrifice on a cross-aligned altar as a chaotic knight... will that get me dirge?  Or does it have to be coaligned?
16:32 <mobileuser> cross-aligned is fine, and you need to wield a long sword
16:33 <bouquet> can I do it with a dark-elven sword or does it have to be standard longsword?
16:34 <bouquet> I guess I could wiztest that
16:36 <mobileuser> uhm
16:36 <bouquet> ya, worked
16:36 <mobileuser> \o/
16:36 <bouquet> Your sword melts in your hand and transforms into something new
16:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:22785 (5:43:25)
16:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) had Dirge gifted to her by the grace of Lolth, on T:3738 (1:34:20)
16:38 <krm26> nice and early, took me like 30k turns to get it :-P
16:39 <bouquet> only thing good about elf zombies
16:39 <bouquet> you can still use their corpses to get dirge
16:40 <bouquet> it'll be in my bones in a bit so check back :)
16:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) had a pair of bone gauntlets of power entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:3754 (1:37:21)
16:45 <bouquet> that gnome I just killed was carrying an egg. Literally unplayable - Janis, probably.
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16:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4794 (1:58:14)
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16:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:3982 (0:31:32)
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17:09 <K2> ... DIRGE
17:09 <K2> \o/
17:09 <K2> yeah any long sword will do
17:09 <K2> and I do NOT kick puppies
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17:18 <K2> i need to fogure out how to make monster gnomes not pickup eggs
17:18 <K2> *figure
17:18 <K2> i'm sure its simple, it just eludes me currently
17:18 <krm26> try coating the eggs in vaseline
17:18 <K2> lol wtf
17:19 <krm26> works on my gnomes
17:19 <K2> we have 2 garden gnomes
17:19 <K2> Mr. Gnomey and Phil
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17:26 <mobileuser> ah found enlightment
17:26 <mobileuser> it seems carrying Deluder is enough for luck (like in slashem)
17:27 <mobileuser> despite what the pokedex says
17:27 <mobileuser> oops wrong channel
17:32 <mobileuser> at soko zoo but I am getting tired
17:33 <mobileuser> better stop...
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17:40 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, to give Gjallar back to my quest leader or not - I have a " of MR - other than using it as a tooled horn (is there a penalty?) is it any big deal to give it back to the quest leader?
17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 16561 points, T:10091, killed by an owlbear
17:42 <Graznop> Gjallar's half physical damage is a pretty big deal
17:42 <bouquet> You can avoid a fight if you give it back and then kill them for it later.
17:42 <Graznop> you can always come back later...
17:43 <dbanethacker> Oh, I thought that came from the Bell of Opening?
17:43 <dbanethacker> Yeah, I see it's from Gjallar.  That would make a difference against the worst of the endgame monsters - if I can make it that far!
17:43 <dbanethacker> I can win the fight if need be.  Last time I just ran away.
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17:47 <krm26> gjallar is well worth killing anyone for
17:47 <krm26> it is amazing, one of the top-tier quest artifacts
17:50 <Graznop> if you do kill your quest leader, remember to fix your luck after. Also your god's anger...
17:56 <K2> has anyone tried to steal it back?
17:57 <dbanethacker> I avoided it by walking around my leader and not talking to him.  Is there truly a curse on the Bell or Gjallar that he "removes" that should be done?
17:58 <krm26> on the bell
17:58 <Graznop> yes - the bell needs 'uncursing' before the invocation will work
17:58 <krm26> the bell needs to be "activated" by your quest leader acknowledging your successful quest completion or by killing him
17:59 <dbanethacker> Ok, but if I'm not going to use the bell until the endgame, then I can forestall it without issues, right?
18:01 <Graznop> yes
18:03 <krm26> just dont do what i did yesterday, kill rodney while forgetting the bell and vlad
18:04 <dbanethacker> Sure thing, appreciate the insights!
18:08 <terrapin> k2: stick an if (otyp == EGG && is_gnome(mtmp->data)) return 0; in mon.c's can_carry()
18:12 <K2> oh right
18:12 <K2> thanks
18:12 <K2> no soup for you gnome!
18:12 <terrapin> next!
18:14 <terrapin> side note: drow darkness no longer snuffs all your lit lamps
18:14 <terrapin> is that intentional?
18:16 <terrapin> personally, I liked drow darkness worsening artifacts, I just think they should only affect your inventory if they are within 5 squares and can see you
18:16 <terrapin> it's weird that they can take out your lamp from 80 squares away
18:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:18781 (4:50:49)
18:32 <K2> terrapin they do snuff lamps
18:32 <K2> just not sources that use artifact_light
18:33 <K2> there's no feedback for the regular lamps tho i think
18:33 <K2> that should be looked at
18:33 <K2> terrapin, see latest commits
18:33 <dbanethacker> dang magic beam destoyed my / of cancellation - now I have to polypile to get another one.  Sigh.
18:34 <terrapin> just one lamp though
18:35 <terrapin> if you have multiple the others will stay lit
18:35 <K2> hmm
18:37 <dbanethacker> no lamps that ar magic
18:38 <terrapin> it's a snuff_light_sources problem
18:38 <K2> figured
18:39 <terrapin> I wasn't sure if it was a bug because it seemed plausible that drow magic would be too weak to affect everything on a square
18:42 <K2> the end result is: aura of darkness (or aura of light if a monster ever gets that) will not affect sources that use artifact_light(), but regular objects (lamps, candles, etc) can still be affected
18:43 <K2> brb
18:44 <terrapin> I've got dinner; gotta go too
18:45 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, no polymorph / - now what?
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18:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:12406 (3:56:19)
19:03 <Noisytoot> don't yellow lights have an aura of light?
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19:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:37725 (17:51:33)
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19:30 <dbanethacker> Lucky me - got engulfed by a shambling horror and killed it from the inside.
19:32 <terrapin> nice, dbanethacker!
19:33 <dbanethacker> Time to buy another lottery ticket, I guess.
19:35 <K2> Noisytoot - yes but not one that can switch on/off
19:36 <K2> they give off light but cant cast an aura of one at will
19:37 <terrapin> do you think you'll allow monsters to use light scrolls and wands against drow characters?
19:46 <K2> perhaps
19:46 <K2> wouldnt be hard to do i think
19:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:25906 (6:09:32)
19:46 <terrapin> neat
19:47 <terrapin> anyway with snuff_light_sources it returns after snuffing a source, seeming to assume it was looping through light sources looking for those attached to an object? but there might be multiple on the square. so you just need to continue looping
19:48 <terrapin> plus you gotta save the next pointer I guess
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:53584 (18:08:17)
19:49 <terrapin> the function's called in steal.c where these changes wouldn't make sense but that place should be calling snuff_lit() anyway
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:53588 (18:08:34)
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19:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:26451 (6:19:53)
20:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Rog Orc Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:55413 (18:22:36)
20:12 <K2> huh
20:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:8889 (2:54:50)
20:19 <dbanethacker> I just broke apart a statue of bouquet in Medusa's room - sadly nothing was left behind but rocks.
20:19 <Umbire> Sounds normal.
20:28 <dbanethacker> Hi, I had an oddity.  I threw a poisoned platinum dart at a grid bug.  It gave me this message:
20:28 <dbanethacker> trying to break non-equipped glass obj?
20:28 <dbanethacker> Program in disorder!  (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.)
20:29 <terrapin> *&^#
20:29 <dbanethacker> Perhaps it's another object-related issue?
20:29 <terrapin> thanks for the heads-up!
20:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:56008 (18:48:33)
20:33 <terrapin> did it hit the grid bug?
20:35 <dbanethacker> IIRC - yes
20:35 <dbanethacker> but hmmm, the grid bug didn't die.  Maybe it didn't hit it?  It was a game or 2 ago.
20:36 <Umbire> probably min-rolled damage
20:36 <Umbire> anyway that's been a bit of a known issue, bug was introduced around the time drow items got added I think?
20:36 <dbanethacker> Sure, let's go with that.  :-)
20:36 <terrapin> yeah it's my fault
20:36 <terrapin> this is like the third time someone's found a bug like this
20:36 <dbanethacker> no, it's nobody's fault - just a joy of playing the game!
20:36 <terrapin> :)
20:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a spellbook of charm monster given to her by Lolth, on T:28917 (6:59:57)
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21:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) had a dark elven dagger entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:31108 (7:12:52)
21:28 <terrapin> well, I'm mystified as to how break_glass_obj got called. threw some darts, let grid bugs bite me, threw wielded darts, threw poisoned darts, couldn't trigger the bug.
21:29 <terrapin> that's it for me tonight I think
21:29 <terrapin> good night, folks
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21:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8523 (2:09:36)
21:52 <Umbire> !tell terrapin p. sure it's related to the object mulching?
21:52 <Hecubus> Will do, Umbire!
22:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 30886 points, T:12345, killed by an arrow
22:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11708 (3:23:10)
22:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:57583 (20:51:29)
22:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) had a wooden axe entrusted to her by Lolth, on T:12938 (3:41:40)
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22:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 20 gold shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:847 (0:03:44)
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22:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:22361 (3:56:07)
23:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] UmberConductor (Val Cen Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 23 arrows on an altar, on T:3078 (4:28:47)
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23:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3245 (0:26:55)
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23:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15161 (5:37:52)
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23:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had a bone orcish dagger entrusted to him by Kos, on T:59331 (22:02:49)