00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a leather cloak of protection entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:3184 (0:34:27) 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful giant rat, on T:31890 (2 days, 4:03:20) 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5062 (0:55:58) 00:25 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5338 (0:57:48) 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 17337 points, T:5389, killed by a barbed devil 00:26 note to self - allow wielding tempest to grant shock res to items in open inventory 00:27 gnite o/ 01:34 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:36764 (19:40:47) 03:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a lizard corpse, on T:11522 (4:22:11) 03:42 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 05:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:13147 (5:08:34) 05:34 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 05:46 Hmm. Random set of uncursed dragonhide riding gloves. 05:56 Turns out to be GoD. 05:59 noice! 06:00 Indeed. Especially since I am currently wishless. 06:00 Not sure if the dexterity is worth it though, as a monk. 06:01 (Mine's currently low, though, but these are unenchanted) 06:08 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 06:08 as an early find, the boost to your AC is very nice though 06:09 can you creditclone easily using dragonhide stuff in evil too? 06:09 in hackem you can easily sell and steal them using a pet for $$$ 06:09 (in hackem case you can use the $ for services in store too) 06:10 yes, dragonhide stuff is expensive 06:10 arahael: wear them because they're stylish 06:16 unlike gems you dont need formal id to sell for $$$ 07:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Ran Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3555 (1:50:59) 07:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Ran Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:3750 (1:58:28) 07:30 congrats K2 on the new release! 07:30 looking forward to try drow infidel 07:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:32037 (2 days, 4:37:28) 07:40 K2: as a drow, attempting to untrap a web gives "Whoops... There is a spider web here." Any chance that drow can untrap webs more easily? 07:51 k2, grats and gj on the release! 08:00 thanks all! 08:01 Graznop i'll have a look 08:02 Thanks! There was also the issue with far look describing an adjacent dark tile as lit (but have your breakfast first!) 08:03 well technically to you it is lit i guess, untravision being what it is. but yeah i get it 08:03 *ultravision 08:04 ultralit tile 08:08 I was more concerned about the potential for extra drow weapon breakage if the game considered the square lit... 08:15 i'm assuming its showing as lit because you can see it 08:15 are you in a corridor or a room? 08:15 in a corridor 08:16 room is ok 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 2510 points, T:1411, killed by Ms. Possogroenoe; the shopkeeper 08:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:22 damn damn damn damn 08:22 I didn't realize I was confused when I loaded the game up :P 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 111 points, T:240, killed by a goblin 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 50 points, T:24, killed by a grid bug, while dragging an iron ball 08:25 yeah corridors are always dark unless purposely lit 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 81 points, T:138, killed by a newt 08:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 62 points, T:151, killed by a jackal 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 94 points, T:129, killed by a kobold 08:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 62 points, T:60, killed by a fox 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 120 points, T:737, killed by a newt 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 63 points, T:117, killed by a jackal 08:46 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Ran Dro Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pyramidal amulet on an altar, on T:5750 (3:18:33) 08:55 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/0d2a8946e3fe...e4708015b568 08:55 [EvilHack] k21971 e470801 - Fix: drow and untrapping webs. 08:55 ^ thanks Graznop 08:55 cool. Thanks! 08:57 oh also 08:57 hmm one sec 08:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 1741 points, T:5367, killed by a wererat, while fainted from lack of food 08:58 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:58 when you're in a corridor, or any dark room, all adjacent tiles always show as lit. it means you can see and arent blind 08:58 the only time adjacent tiles actually go dark is when you're blind 08:59 a lil misleading but that's how it is <--- vanilla behavior 08:59 could be reworded maybe 08:59 maybe 'corridor, seen' and 'lit corridor, seen' 08:59 hmm 09:00 huh in a lit room, adjacent tile is just 'floor of room' 09:01 and if it's dark, it says 'dark part of a room' 09:11 yes, it's the slight inconsistencies. btw does a doorway inherit the lit status of the room? 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Mephistopheles, on T:32361 (2 days, 5:27:47) 09:13 yeah 09:14 -!- chao has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:14 and are drow meant to be able to tame domestic animals with food? (they can) 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Branyolo (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) murdered Idefix, his faithful little dog, on T:370 (0:34:54) 09:17 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5163 (0:26:15) 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law), 23605 points, T:14457, killed by a chameleon imitating an elder minotaur 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5778 (0:32:17) 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a cloak of displacement entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:5943 (0:33:38) 09:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 455 points, T:1094, killed by a goblin 09:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 58 points, T:142, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 86 points, T:136, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 68 points, T:113, killed by a goblin 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 69 points, T:207, killed by a jackal 10:02 :) 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 330 points, T:269, killed by a system shock 10:04 oh please game I've made it to goblin town just have mercy 10:05 mercy? what is this word that you speak of? 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 102 points, T:251, killed by a goblin 10:05 Loggers_VIII I admire your perseverance 10:06 I think I'm slowly forming a strategy 10:07 -!- d[-_-]b has joined #evilhack 10:07 the strategy is: if you get below full health on level one, quit. if you get to level two and there's no goblin town, quit. If you have to get in melee range of a monster on level 2, quit. 10:07 quitter 10:08 there would be like 30 more death messages flooding this channel if I didn't :P 10:08 -!- chao has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:08 just use setmintc 10:08 here and in #hardfought 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 64 points, T:183, killed by a newt 10:08 what is that 10:09 !setmintc Loggers 500 10:09 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-us][hdf-eu] Min reported turncount for loggers set to 500 10:09 as an admin i can set it for anyone 10:09 you can do it for yourself if your irc name matches game name 10:09 so now, any games under 500 turns wont be reported 10:10 oh cool 10:10 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/#bot-commands 10:11 want me to change that number? 10:11 like 300 10:11 or whatevs 10:12 no 500 is god 10:12 *good 10:13 k 10:13 K2: "Whoops... the webbing sticks to you. You're caught too!" when attempting to untrap a pet from a web (not stuck though, but an extra web is created) 10:13 the patch i did will fix that, its not live yet 10:14 oooof you know what i forgot to do 10:14 ok :) 10:14 i need to update the tileset for evilhack 10:14 dunno who all plays evilhack with tiles via hterm 10:14 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9811 (1:05:18) 10:18 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:10357 (1:08:34) 10:18 should I be able to displace a pet spider onto a web trap? 10:19 yeah 10:19 spiders are fine in webs 10:20 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 32704 points, T:10564, killed by a bolt of lightning 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 172 points, T:543, killed by a kobold 10:23 alrighty, tileset is updated 10:23 hmmm, I'll try again... 10:25 maybe you cant displace pets into a trap no matter what 10:25 i'm not 100% sure 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:32497 (2 days, 5:42:35) 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 126 points, T:782, killed by a goblin 10:35 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:36 oh please have hammer goblin toown 10:36 *town 10:37 forge can be used to get rid of the chain? 10:38 yes 10:39 heh drow convict must be the only role/race combo that actually cares about booze healing 1 hit point 10:39 never realised before that the addition of goblin town made Convict nicer to play 10:40 idk 10:40 the addition of the goblin king makes up for it I think 10:41 well you don't have to kill the goblin king immediately? 10:42 yeah but it's so annoying trying to find a way to kill him 10:43 all the ball was was added tedium in the first place, I think the tedium of trying to get something to kill gk balances getting rid of the ball 10:43 for any other role it's interesting but convicts start with like literally nothing helpful 10:43 The ball itself is a pretty okay idea once you've freed yourself of it 10:44 you kidding me? the ball's the only reason I can kill newts 10:44 can also knock off any old hobbit for Sting fodder 10:44 it's still good before you free yourself 10:44 sting fodder; yeah right, and get instantly ganked by 3 elves? 10:45 iron ball's so good, just use it against them :B 10:45 /hj 10:45 heh 10:45 anyway I say that because iirc punishment prevents you displacing pets and peacefuls on top of locking you to one action per turn 10:45 once you're unchained it's just a strong but ultraheavy weapon 10:46 you also don't resign yourself to damage from stairs 10:46 which, you always take less if you're carrying the chained iron ball as opposed to letting it drag behind you 10:47 I know, but it can still oneshot you 10:48 usually you'll "only" take 6 points or so but it can definitely do 9 or higher 10:54 I try to at least gain a level before going down a floor, if I can manage it 10:54 for like, gnomes and such 10:58 I tried that for a little while but it's too much risk to gain what is usually like 3 max hp 10:59 not worth the damage you'll take along the way 10:59 it's usually not that big a problem and I have to wait out potential prayer anyway 10:59 ofc with drow that's not exactly an option 11:00 yea for normal convict it's fine 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 509 points, T:1272, killed by a goblin 11:44 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/e4708015b568...2177b017a81f 11:44 [EvilHack] k21971 2177b01 - Tempest when wielded grants shock resistance to items in open inventory. 11:45 ooh that's a nice change 11:45 yeah needs to happen otherwise no one would want to use it 11:45 *needed 11:46 iirc the lightning explosion only activates when riding? 11:46 (or normal melee for centaur) 11:46 ranged attack, riding, or normal for centaur 11:47 thought so 11:47 so for cases 2 and 3, that commit was kinda necessary 11:47 I'm imagining giant riding woolly mammoth and twoweaponing tempest and cleaver 11:48 lol 11:48 epic 11:48 oh wait don't you need to use cleaver to make tempest 11:49 oh yeah sure enough 11:49 ok, switch cleaver out for sword of kas then 11:49 or a lance 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 325 points, T:533, killed by a grid bug 11:50 ah that could be crazy too 11:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:41423 (16:50:12) 11:52 one of these runs will go somewhere 11:52 I'm nothing if not stubborn 11:53 I never thought I would consider newts as having good AC 11:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 205 points, T:627, killed by a newt 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 88 points, T:641, killed by the wrath of Lolth 11:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 305 points, T:614, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 11:58 FYI if anyone decides to go for a magic 8-ball wish, it'll be specifically livelogged 11:59 the whole world will know 12:01 oh interesting, wand of speed monster is very fast speed now? 12:01 I'm guessing temporary 12:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:42571 (17:14:14) 12:23 Loggers I understand why you did it, but I am going to miss all the low-turn-count livelogs 12:26 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:26 vaderflag lol 12:27 hmm 12:28 what's the chances to remove a chain via forge? 12:28 I've been at it for a couple hundred turns 12:28 oop there it goes 12:29 that's the first time I've actually managed to make it all the way to goblin town and remove the chain that way 12:32 It's like 1/8? 12:32 1/2 if you're Skilled 12:32 Also the wand of speed monster I think gives you intrinsic speed on top of the temporary very fast speed? 12:32 Trying to remember 12:38 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/9b08d995806e398cf041a83f9f2fea96bd48012c 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 1976 points, T:3879, killed by a giant leech 12:38 fuck offf 12:38 why does pressing < when being held take a turnnnn 12:38 I can't take this anymore 12:39 I'm going to break bad 12:40 Well that seems like the appropriate response to Con-Dro 12:43 jesse, we need to forge 12:46 @e?troll 12:46 troll (T) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 4d2 weapon physical, 4d2 claw physical, 2d6 bite physical | Align: -3 | genocidable, carnivore, regen, stalker, infravis 12:46 !whereis graznop 12:46 Loggers_VIII: graznop is not playing. 12:46 Loggers_VIII i'm in Soko zoo, having a tough time 12:47 ah 12:48 Just trying to work out how the troll was seeing me to throw darts - infravis i guess 12:48 in game monster lookup doesn't have as much info as Hecubus 12:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 947 points, T:2378, killed by a mithril spear 12:52 fuck 12:52 It usually gives about the same-- 12:52 ow 12:52 I'm getting better 12:52 Were you trying to bum armor from the mines? 12:53 was trying to get some crossbow bolts 12:53 But yeah in-game lookup usually has most if not all the same info 12:53 got myself into a bad situation 12:53 I really hate getting burned by most of the projectiles down there 12:54 Umbire: in game lookup doesn't seem to have the flags listed - I was trying to work out which monsters could see me through my aura of darkness :) 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a katana entrusted to her by Odin, on T:40165 (21:39:16) 12:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 443 points, T:1378, killed by a hobgoblin 13:00 Idk if it mentions infravision but it should definitely mention at least follower status among other things 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:1337 (0:03:41) 13:04 okok this is a start 13:04 don't fuck it up 13:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had a steel knife entrusted to him by Lolth, on T:1914 (0:04:48) 13:05 "here's a shiv for insurance" 13:06 lol - really wanted the game to give me something mithril for forging - it did - one arrow 13:06 also noticing Lolth instead of Tymora, experimenting with hardcoding pantheons k2? 13:06 yeah all drow have the same gods 13:07 also, is there a typo in the drow encyclopedia entry or is it supposed to be 'LLoth" 13:08 hah, I made a typo too. It's 'Lloth' 13:09 that typo is a direct quote from the book the quote came from 13:09 so technically its not a typo 13:10 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2560 (0:47:51) 13:10 lloth is also a correct spelling depending on the medium 13:10 interesting 13:11 ah damn it goblin town has no hammer 13:11 no accessible one, anyway 13:11 run's over 13:12 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2760 (0:49:51) 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 1472 points, T:3532, killed by a giant ant, while dragging an iron ball 13:13 ugh 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 1954 points, T:2817, killed by a giant bat 13:16 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 13:21 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a leather oilskin cloak entrusted to her by Odin, on T:40917 (22:06:16) 13:31 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 13:32 Hi all - have shambling horrors been enhanced? I ran across one and it seemed new that he stomped his foot and created a pit and then a hole and then a shaft under me. It was also very hard to hit. 13:34 that's the pit fiend attack so I guess he just got it randomly 13:39 dbanethacker qt is correct 13:39 that's one of the random attacks a shambler can wind up with 13:43 latest commits are now live 13:44 Ok, lucky me then. Thanks all 13:45 no prob 13:52 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:53 after a brief break, it's time once again for the drow convict runs 13:53 lol Loggers_VIII 13:53 your reddit posts 13:53 heh 13:54 the Linking the Wrong Link virus strikes again 13:56 I hate to say it but I may have to give up on the drow convict for now 13:56 nevermind the room I started in had a scroll of remove curse and some crossbow bolts 13:57 One More Run™ 14:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Ran Dro Fem Cha), 20491 points, T:11731, killed by a bolt of cold 14:02 aw :( 14:02 !lastgame 14:02 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Graznop/evilhack/dumplog/1682983017.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1683050106.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1682983341.evil.html 14:02 annoying backwards angled bounce of a wand :( 14:03 the hallway of rebounding rays strikes again I see 14:03 stood in the wrong place, with hindsight 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 961 points, T:1868, killed by a rock gnome 14:04 well you know what they say about hindsight 14:04 ? 14:04 invest in foresight instead 14:05 I guess they also say hindsight is 20/20 but who cares if it's 20/20 if you're dead 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 196 points, T:642, killed by a large kobold 14:12 ok I think I give up 14:12 it's too hard 14:12 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Hea Trt Mal Neu), 1632 points, T:1528, quit 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2176 (0:13:33) 14:14 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Dro Mal Cha), 77 points, T:888, killed by a fox, while fainted from lack of food 14:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a black dragon, on T:46577 (19:13:50) 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:46587 (19:14:21) 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:46597 (19:14:42) 14:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) completed his quest without incident, on T:47007 (19:17:20) 14:18 heh, "You finish your dressing manuever. You feel like... gnarly dude." 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Dro Mal Cha) averted death (killed by the hallucinogen-distorted Goblin King), on T:1247 (0:06:11) 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Dro Mal Cha), 926 points, T:1254, killed by the hallucinogen-distorted Goblin King, while praying 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Dro Mal Cha), 0 points, T:6, killed by contaminated water 14:33 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4437 (0:34:16) 14:33 K2 which potions cure withering in evilhack? 14:34 blessed extra healing and full healing, no? 14:37 it's not on the wiki page, I'd like to add it 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 69 points, T:539, killed by a grid bug 14:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha), 146 points, T:933, killed by a jackal 14:51 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Withering 14:51 funny thing is, there's no mention of xnethack on that wiki page 14:52 what's xnethack? 14:52 ah, thanks K2 14:52 qt: its a variant of nethack with some really neat quest changes and qol features 14:53 qt: xnethack is the x11 port of nethack 14:54 why did you lie to me K2 14:55 bhaak's version makes about 100 times more sense 14:55 maybe even 1000 times 14:56 but not 10000? 14:56 no, that's way too much. are you crazy? 15:00 yes 15:00 o.O 15:00 that explains why you gave an explanation 100-1000x worse than bhaak 15:01 haters gonna hate 15:01 i'm not upset with you qt... just very disappointed 15:02 hm 15:03 do morning stars use flail skill? 15:03 'The morning star is the only weapon to use the morning star skill. The only artifact morning star is Trollsbane.' 15:03 weird 15:04 if katana and long sword can share a skill, so can flails and morning stars, dammit! 15:05 but... morning star skill 15:06 all I'm saying is that if convicts can get expert in flail I don't see why they shouldn't be able to use a morning star just as well 15:06 but... morning star skill 15:06 ? 15:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Ran Dro Fem Cha), 0 points, T:195, burned by an exploding fire bomb 15:07 dont you see it? 15:07 yeah I see it 15:07 Graznop nice death msg 15:08 flails have a dangly bit, morning star just has a ball on the end 15:08 is there a non-exploding fire bomb? :) 15:08 to me they don't seem similar on the level of katanas and long swords in terms of skill you need to use them 15:08 K2: my policy on xnh wiki updates besides the main page is not to do them myself 15:08 otherwise I would spend many more hours on the wiki than I should 15:09 meh swinging the swingy thing at a bad guy seems comparable to swinging the sharp thing at a bad guy :P 15:09 i wasnt insinuating that you are derelict in your duties as a variant dev 15:09 i just found it odd that there wasnt any mention of xnh there 15:09 idk you ever see those videos online of people hitting themselves with mall ninja nunchuks 15:09 Hmmm, I killed a krm26 who came to life as a statue. Yet there's no mention of it here. Perhaps that could be an enhancement? 15:10 to me a flail sounds a lot more difficult to use 15:10 oh 15:11 He was a tortle archeologist - sound familiar @krm26> 15:11 ? 15:11 nethack morning star has a ball and chain according to the tile. (but the dictionary entry describes the actual historical weapon, which doesn't have one, and actually acknowledges that depictions like that are an error) 15:11 that wouldbt be a livelog event 15:11 so idk if it's supposed to be a "ball and chain" weapon I would agree the skills should be merged, but real morningstar vs flail seems quite different 15:12 yeah I thought of it as ball and chain 15:12 https://i.redd.it/w8rv5dth5rby.png 15:12 but the tile seems to insinuate nunchaku type deal 15:12 it'd make more sense for it to use the mace skill imo 15:13 morning star is basically a spiky mace 15:13 that's what I originally thought, but the morning star tile is a ball on chain 15:13 its wrong then heh 15:13 yeah K2 it's a bit inconsistent if you look at the tiles whether it's meant to be a real morning star or the pseudohistorical flail thing 15:13 who made these tiles anyway >:( 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:43489 (23:36:48) 15:14 why is ixoth represented with the same tile as the minion of huhetotl 15:14 I think they aren't exactly the same but yeah pretty similar 15:14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_star_(weapon) 15:15 so yeah it would make more sense to ditch morning star skill and merge it with mace 15:15 iirc the flail with the ball and spikes is also potentially a not-real fantasy weapon 15:15 but I could be wrong about that 15:16 flail is a real thing 15:16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flail_(weapon)#The_military_flail yeah this has some information about it, I guess it might be real but just barely ever used 15:16 pretty nasty actually 15:16 can you imagine getting hit with one of those things? 15:16 it hurts man 15:16 the real commonly-used flail was more like nunchuks I think 15:16 never again! 15:17 not a spiky ball 15:17 but another stick 15:17 morning nunchucks 15:17 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Cep_bojowy_0211.jpg like this I guess 15:17 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Arte_De_Athletica_2b.jpg or this 15:18 heh first one looks like a straw 15:18 apparently it was based on a peasant agricultural tool like many polearms 15:18 yeowch 15:18 those peasants sure knew how to make painful-looking weapons 15:19 it was a two-handed weapon too 15:19 for a peasant, maybe 15:20 for adventurers? no way :P 15:22 anyway, idk why I care about morning star skill they're useless anyway 15:27 "Ahhhh! Eggs! She has eggs!!" The rock gnome turns to flee. lol (extra spaces in message?) 15:30 dbl space after each sentence is common in nethack 15:30 everyone with common sense needs to be afraid of eggs 15:30 they could be trice egs 15:30 *eggs 15:31 made me smile 15:31 dbanethacker: One of Medusa's usual statues just happened to be on the top of a statue trap, sounds like. 15:31 Hmmm, statue trap? 15:32 Graznop have you thrown an egg at a gnome yet? 15:32 Yes, the trap that animates the top-most statue on that square 15:32 not thought to - next gnome I see... 15:33 Hmmm, a demi-lich made a shimmering globe appear around it. I killed it on the next melee round, but wonder what it was. 15:33 reflection spell 15:33