00:05 <K2> gnite o/
00:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a platinum amulet of magic resistance, on T:14044 (1:44:12)
00:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 57700 points, T:15246, suffocated by a gelatinous cube
01:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 26353 points, T:12988, killed by an owlbear, while praying
01:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 611 points, T:546, killed by a bugbear
04:36 -!- Frozty has quit [Quit: Client closed]
05:02 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #evilhack
05:02 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (lithium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))]
05:02 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG
05:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
05:39 <arahael> K2: Should it be possible to confuse mindless monsters?
05:52 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack
06:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:6526 (2:18:29)
06:09 <arahael> Better than a gold one, I guess.  Was hoping for MR.
06:09 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed]
06:20 <krm26> araheal: you can confuse alexa
06:30 <arahael> krm26: Alexa is in the game?
06:30 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack
06:37 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack
06:44 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
07:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9059 (3:12:58)
07:26 -!- malor has joined #evilhack
07:32 <K2> arahael prob not
07:49 -!- chao has joined #evilhack
07:51 <krm26> k2, i don't know if you saw, but i glanced at the code and it looks like your artifact wish count is only incremented on artifact creation (in objnam), and i am in fact just the unluckiest boy
07:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
07:52 <K2> i saw
07:52 <K2> sad face :(
07:52 <krm26> it does mean i have more wishes to waste tho!
07:59 <K2> \o/
08:03 <K2> so i just realized something
08:03 <K2> drow convict
08:03 <K2> they start with an iron chain attached to them
08:03 <K2> meaning they are in contact with iron from turn 1
08:03 <K2> and wont be able to regen hit points
08:03 <K2> HAH
08:04 <K2> i'm gonna leave it. this could possibly become the hardest race/role combo
08:04 <K2> if you can pull off drow convict, you are a nethack god
08:05 <Umbire> And you can't pick up the iron ball either, so.
08:05 <K2> well you can
08:05 <K2> it'll just hurt
08:05 -!- chao is now known as stenno
08:05 <Umbire> And you can regenerate HP.
08:05 <K2> cant
08:05 <Umbire> Can't is what I thought I'd typed.
08:06 <Umbire> I suppose I'll earmark it if I feel an urge toward psychological self-harm.
08:11 <cbus> I probably have asked this before but is there any wiki entry on what drow "should be"
08:12 <K2> should be? no i've never seen an entry like that for anything
08:12 <cbus> I mean what you intend to implement since drow is still being developed right?
08:12 <cbus> also, gj, I am hyped for a new race!
08:12 <K2> there's a drow page on the wiki
08:12 <K2> thanks!
08:13 <cbus> ah, are they getting the sleep attack too?
08:14 <K2> look through all the drow commits - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commits/master
08:14 <krm26> k2, that just makes a very quick ball dipping minigame for the drow convicts
08:14 <K2> ball dipping?
08:14 <krm26> you heard me
08:14 <K2> i dont get it
08:14 <Umbire> I'd rather dip the shirt.
08:14 <cbus> k2, oki, will do!
08:14 <K2> oh
08:14 <cbus> I am not afraid of looking at commits :D
08:15 <krm26> hey if you can have meat rings and meatballs you can have meat chains, start them off wearing meat!
08:15 <K2> cbus i have pretty good commit notes, all the details ar ethere
08:15 <K2> hah no
08:15 <Umbire> Can get the shirt uncursed, doesn't rust the ball if you have to suck it up and use the thing as a weapon.
08:15 <Umbire> Probably attracts a nymph anyway because that's the goal more than anything else.
08:15 <K2> lady gaga enters chat
08:16 <K2> ima gon make drow gloves
08:18 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack
08:21 <Loggers_VIII> just looked at the armor commit; the tunic is a new shirt, right?
08:22 <K2> not so much a shirt, more like a full body covering
08:22 <K2> so it takes body armor slot
08:22 <Loggers_VIII> aw
08:23 <K2> you can get a t-shirt made of spider silk, its allowed. could spawn that way
08:23 <cbus> hah, that sounds like a really pimp t-shirt
08:23 <K2> hawaiian spider silk shirt
08:23 <cbus> you should have special t-shirt messages that are "drow" based for that
08:23 <cbus> same with hawaiian spider silk shirts
08:23 <cbus> should be about "cave stuff"
08:23 <K2> w/ giants spiders on a dark background
08:23 <Loggers_VIII> hahaha
08:23 <cbus> "Dancing rainbow spiders in a cave"
08:24 <Loggers_VIII> "This shirt features black fungus on a gray background"
08:24 <cbus> hahah exactly :D
08:26 <Loggers_VIII> just read logs, wtf on drow convict regen
08:26 <Loggers_VIII> actually hardest race/role combo
08:27 <K2> yeah
08:27 <K2> that wasnt the plan
08:27 <K2> but i'm gonna leave it
08:28 <Loggers_VIII> happy little accident
08:28 <K2> 'oh you think you're good? here, play this race/role combo'
08:28 <Loggers_VIII> can't wait for vaderflag to win one in the first week :P
08:28 <K2> LOL
08:30 <Loggers_VIII> they should start with a spider silk shirt
08:30 <Loggers_VIII> cuz they came from drow prison
08:30 <K2> i dont think drow really had prisons
08:31 <Loggers_VIII> huh
08:31 <Loggers_VIII> why not
08:31 <Graznop> can a drow convict tame rats and spiders?
08:32 <Umbire> Indeed, why would the race whose entire hate is cartoon villain evil have prisons.
08:33 <Loggers_VIII> for well-behaved citizens
08:33 <K2> Graznop yes
08:34 <K2> Loggers_VIII - drow didnt really keep prisoneers
08:34 <Umbire> I snark, but ultimately I think drow in prisons would've ultimately been ones left for dead by the rest of their society.
08:34 <K2> if they did it was short lived
08:34 <Graznop> sounds fun :)
08:34 <Umbire> Was also gonna say something along that line.
08:34 <Umbire> As in they didn't keep "that kind" of prisoner.
08:35 <K2> if anything anyone they captured became a slave
08:35 <K2> or they'd be used for sacrifice
08:35 <Umbire> Basically.
08:36 <cbus> maybe a drow convict escaped from a normal elf prison!
08:38 <cbus> oh, no drow monks btw?
08:39 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I saw that too :(
08:39 <Umbire> They're very at odds with the role's vibe.
08:39 <Umbire> Also isn't the sleep melee attack bare-handed?
08:39 <Loggers_VIII> if they're chaotic they can be monk >:(
08:39 <K2> Umbire no
08:40 <Umbire> Just has to be unarmed then, cool.
08:40 <K2> slash'em did that but that's not how drow actually work
08:40 <Umbire> ...I'm probably thinking of different drow entirely.
08:40 <Umbire> Today is just a day.
08:40 <K2> currently dnethack has the best version of drow out of all the variants. aiming to give dnh a run for its money
08:41 <Loggers_VIII> what's dnethack's drow like
08:41 <K2> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Drow_(starting_race)
08:42 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed]
08:44 <cbus> k2, my spider ate a tripe :D
08:44 <cbus> btw
08:44 <krm26> oh with common pet spiders you gotta change the eat message to have them drain fluids from
08:45 <K2> cbus as a drow yeah
08:46 <K2> krm26 if i do that, that means a corpse would have to stay behind, or ration
08:46 <cbus> I also tested eating a thingie thingie elf kibble as a drow
08:46 <K2> SMOP
08:46 <cbus> it is the normal elf message :P
08:46 <K2> cbus yeah
08:46 <K2> on purpose
08:46 <K2> drow = elf
08:46 <cbus> I wasnt really surprised
08:46 <cbus> just wanted to test :P
08:46 <K2> well, 3rd cousin twice removed
08:46 <krm26> nah, the withered corpse wouldn't be good for eating any more, not without its precious bodily fluids
08:47 <K2> krm26 right, SMOP
08:47 <krm26> "the spider drains the kobold corpse's fluids, leaving behind only a dessicated husk"
08:47 <krm26> only change the cosmetic messag
08:47 <K2> S M O P
08:47 <K2> i'd have to leave the corpse then
08:48 <krm26> i don't see why
08:48 <K2> then we get into vampire player race territory
08:48 <krm26> although there are plenty of bits available for corpse status :)
08:48 <K2> reeeeeeeeee
08:48 <krm26> then you can start putting clown makeup on corpses with markers
08:48 <K2> brb work thing, bleh
08:48 <krm26> to restore your chaotic conduct
08:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 magicbane", on T:85275 (1 day, 17:27:36)
08:51 <krm26> OH MY GOD
08:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 magicbane", on T:85276 (1 day, 17:27:55)
08:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 magicbane", on T:85279 (1 day, 17:28:28)
08:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 magicbane", on T:85280 (1 day, 17:28:40)
08:52 <krm26> ok, that is 12 wishes for a second artifact with no result
08:52 <krm26> so cursed
08:53 <nabru> :(
08:54 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack
08:56 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack
09:02 <krm26> weird that displacer beast ingame info says "Corpse conveys no intrinsics"
09:03 <krm26> i guess since it is temporary
09:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:85554 (1 day, 17:42:07)
09:08 <krm26> ...if an artifact already exists do you get the same evades your grasp message as for straight-up failure when you wish for it?
09:08 <krm26> i've got no idea where it would have generated but that would piss me off
09:14 <mobileuser> was that the message or was it more like "you think you feel something"
09:15 <krm26> grr too senile to remember, would have to tty
09:15 <mobileuser> "For a moment, you feel something in your hands, but it disappears!" that one
09:16 <mobileuser> "You wished for an artifact that was not granted, wasting the wish." wiki doesn't say why the wish was not granted
09:17 <krm26> yeah the quest artifact rejection message for your own artifact is something like that
09:18 <krm26> the you feel in your blah but it disappears message if for illegal artifact wishing or failing the roll
09:18 <mobileuser> "If you wish for an artifact which has already been generated in the game, you will receive its base item instead."
09:18 <krm26> i don't see where it handles the artifact already existing
09:18 <krm26> but looks like no special message
09:19 <mobileuser> so in vanilla you would get the base item
09:19 <krm26> i have three more wishes, i could get my failed wishes for artifact #2 up to 15 if i try
09:19 <K2> :)
09:20 <krm26> i really regret using all 50 potions of paralysis
09:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:85646 (1 day, 18:00:45)
09:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:85657 (1 day, 18:03:13)
09:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) genocided gray dragons, on T:85658 (1 day, 18:03:50)
09:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) genocided basilisks, on T:85658 (1 day, 18:05:05)
09:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:85719 (1 day, 18:08:24)
09:35 <Loggers_VIII> @e?basilisk
09:35 <Hecubus> basilisk (c) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 70 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -10 | Atk: 2d4 bite physical, 1d6 touch petrification, 1d6 touch petrification, 2d8 claw physical, 0d0 passive petrification | Align: -5 | genocidable, omnivore, thick hide, touch petrifies, infravis
09:35 <krm26> just burning off excess genocide
09:36 <Loggers_VIII> did you really quaff 50 blessed potions of paralysis and not get a wish
09:38 <krm26> i got 3 wishes -- the 35th one gave me my first
09:38 <krm26> and i added those wishes to my lamps and wands to fail to get magicbane
09:39 <krm26> if the game doesn't want me to have 50 blessed smoky potions it shouldn't give me a staff of matter in the goblintown shop
09:40 <Loggers_VIII> you are extraordinarily unlucky
09:40 <Loggers_VIII> why are you even going for staff of the archmagi
09:40 <krm26> want it
09:41 <krm26> then i could wear an amulet of flying
09:41 <krm26> all i ever care about is permitting myself lazy play
09:41 <Loggers_VIII> you're such a paradox
09:41 <krm26> ascending with only a ring of lev is a pita
09:42 <Umbire> If I had to put this much effort into lazy play I think I'd just rather take the hint.
09:42 <Loggers_VIII> all you have to do is press shift-P and shift-R every once in a while
09:42 <Loggers_VIII> umbire but that's what's so great about krm26
09:42 <Loggers_VIII> every run is a different shenanigan to be lazy
09:42 <Umbire> Sure.
09:43 <Loggers_VIII> and then he evaporates the forged artifact he farmed so long for
09:43 <krm26> i only do that half the time
09:43 <krm26> i think my ascension rate is actually pretty good for the runs where i blow up hesperides or evaporate SoA
09:44 <Loggers_VIII> we need like nethack gambling where we can bet on what silly thing any given player will do next
09:44 <krm26> we need a submit command that sends the last 30 turns of tty off for a stupidest video of the month submission
09:45 <Loggers_VIII> heh
09:47 <krm26> ok, i'm gonna burn 2 more wishes for no reason
09:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 magicbane", on T:85860 (1 day, 18:24:01)
09:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) wished for "blessed +7 magicbane", on T:85861 (1 day, 18:24:11)
09:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2020 (0:16:44)
09:48 <Loggers_VIII> did you get it
09:48 <krm26> you have to ask? no
09:49 <krm26> my wishes this game were dragonhide helm of speed (Y), grayswandir (Y), Magicbane (N) x 17
09:49 <Loggers_VIII> that seems broken
09:49 <mobileuser> colossal bad luck
09:49 <krm26> getting that many wishes? prolly
09:49 <Loggers_VIII> well, yeah
09:49 <Loggers_VIII> you could have 17 markers right now
09:49 <krm26> my count might be wrong, i have a hard time counting past the number of digits on my tortle claws
09:50 <Loggers_VIII> are you sure it's not just in the dungeon somewhere
09:50 <mobileuser> you did have that extremely rare second castle WoW
09:50 <krm26> i have an actual marker in addition to the crap i got from you and i am not going to write with it, just like i never write with any marker
09:50 <krm26> markers are for the impatient
09:50 <krm26> since i don't care about turncount i don't care about markers
09:51 <Loggers_VIII> i don't care about turncount either
09:51 <Loggers_VIII> but if I'm impatient you're psychotically patient
09:51 <krm26> well, i spend very little time actually paying attention to what i'm doing
09:51 <Loggers_VIII> you can just go win right now
09:52 <krm26> to an extent i have to get every run regardless of class into a kind of uniform place so my hindbrain can operate it while i concentrate on other stuff
09:53 <krm26> i don't quite have 100 charges of wand of teleportation to ascend with yet, not without using charging scrolls
09:54 <Loggers_VIII> you and I are like the exact opposite lol
09:55 <Loggers_VIII> as soon as I think "yeah I think I have like a 40% chance of beating lucifer" I just rush the sanctum
09:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2569 (0:25:14)
09:58 <Loggers_VIII> oh I forgot I have a good run
09:58 <Loggers_VIII> killed a liquor store shk on level 2 with stinking cloud :)
10:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:86134 (1 day, 18:39:10)
10:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 4150 points, T:2315, killed by the Goblin King
10:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:86138 (1 day, 18:39:39)
10:03 <Loggers_VIII> oh goddammit it was FOURTEEN PERCENT FAIL CHANCE for extra healing
10:03 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±12] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/6974ca914d56...2210d99e1eda
10:03 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 2210d99 - Added Drow gloves, some other tweaks.
10:03 <Loggers_VIII> oh my goodness he's done it
10:04 <Loggers_VIII> large shields no longer weigh as much as a small state
10:04 <Loggers_VIII> country?
10:04 <Loggers_VIII> I think small countries are smaller than small states most of the time
10:05 <Loggers_VIII> whatever
10:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:86170 (1 day, 18:42:20)
10:06 <K2> heh
10:07 <Loggers_VIII> the real priest buff
10:07 <K2> yeah i noticed orcish priests starting with orcish shield
10:07 <K2> oops
10:08 <Loggers_VIII> speaking of priests, would there be any plans to make the mace forging recipe not silly
10:09 <K2> yeah
10:09 <K2> i wouldnt mind seeing a PR on that one
10:09 <K2> but yeah
10:09 <Loggers_VIII> jkljjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiiiiiiih ujk hguygubhjjjjji      j
10:10 <Loggers_VIII> CAT
10:10 <cbus> cat <3
10:10 <K2> hahah
10:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1197 (0:05:52)
10:11 <Umbire> ...what is the forge recipe.
10:12 <Umbire> Oh right.
10:12 <Umbire> The one that takes a second war hammer.
10:12 <Umbire> For Some Reason.
10:14 <K2> i'm open to suggestions for a recipe tweak/fix
10:14 <Umbire> Combine a dagger and hammer to make a mace, then combine that with a flail to make it a hammer again.
10:14 <Umbire> Thinking emoji.
10:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 1706 points, T:2551, killed by a goblin shaman, while frozen by a monster's gaze
10:15 <Loggers_VIII> k2 I will try and think of something
10:15 <Loggers_VIII> I'm gonnna have to go through the twenty flow charts I made
10:15 <K2> ok
10:16 <Loggers_VIII> does that 'gonna' have one more n that usual or am I going insane
10:16 <Loggers_VIII> *THAN
10:16 <K2> actually what would be nice - log an issue here - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/issues - and lay out exactly what the issues are. others can comment and even provide a code fix if they want
10:16 <K2> yeah there was an extra n
10:16 <K2> hahah
10:17 <K2> i have a couple more tweaks to do, then on to new monsters that go with the drow universe
10:17 <K2> drider is gonna be icky scary
10:18 <Umbire> I feel like flail/mace=morning start might be more intuitive, on that note.
10:18 <Umbire> Not a must, exactly, but I'm trying to work backwards into a mace recipe that would seem fitting.
10:18 <Umbire> Because I feel like you'd have to fix a few others to go with it.
10:19 <Loggers_VIII> oh cool reading the blacksmith's cookbook gives XP
10:19 <Loggers_VIII> didn't know that
10:19 <Umbire> Novels give experience.
10:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4108 (0:48:16)
10:19 <Umbire> Well, the first one you read, anyway.
10:19 <Loggers_VIII> I knew the discworld ones did but it didn't occur to me the others would too
10:23 <K2> you're gonna like this next commit... few more minutes
10:28 <krm26> k2: consider using the drow as an entry point to something that would really make a difference: more than two types of caster. in addition to clerical and arcane let there be a few other spell lists that monsters can use
10:29 <K2> something to consider yeah
10:29 <K2> but not today
10:29 <K2> besides, druid role will fill that niche
10:29 <krm26> as long as it is on your list :-)
10:32 <Demo> drows don't have gloves
10:33 <K2> they do now
10:34 <K2> https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/3/3a/Drow_5E-Gray_background.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/325?cb=20200618163735
10:34 <K2> glovish
10:36 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] loggersviii opened issue #118: You need three maces to forge a mace from scratch - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/issues/118
10:36 <Demo> do ehack elves have gloves?
10:36 <K2> no
10:36 <K2> i'm allowed some creative license
10:37 <Demo> being evil makes you want gloves
10:38 <K2> stylish
10:38 <Loggers_VIII> I oughta write the blacksmith's cookbook down somewhere I'm tired of reading it in game and praying it takes me to the right page :P
10:38 <K2> its on the wiki yeah?
10:38 <K2> didnt Umbire put it up?
10:38 <Loggers_VIII> I don't know about there being a copy of the book, but some of the info on the recipe table is either wrong/outdated
10:38 <Umbire> The literal entire recipe list is indeed on the wiki.
10:39 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=The_Blacksmith%27s_Cookbook&redirect=no
10:39 <Umbire> Also understand this came straight from source files, so.
10:40 <Loggers_VIII> yeah some of those have been changed
10:40 <Umbire> Which ones, then.
10:40 <Umbire> Actually, let me look.
10:41 <Loggers_VIII> just taking a quick glance, a lot of those don't use polearms/spears in the recipes anymore
10:41 <Loggers_VIII> for example hammer/heavy hammer
10:46 <Umbire> ...it's looking like I have them listed accurately...
10:46 <Loggers_VIII> oh hahaha I read the list backwards
10:47 <Umbire> Of course you did.
10:47 <Loggers_VIII> how did I even manage to do that
10:47 <Umbire> How indeed.
10:47 <Umbire> Anyway.
10:47 <Loggers_VIII> hahahahah I'm never gonna get over that
10:48 <Loggers_VIII> I've never read right to left in my life and I choose now to do so
10:49 <Umbire> Cool.
10:49 <Loggers_VIII> ok ok I'm sorry I'm sorry I shouldn't have doubted the wiki
10:50 <Loggers_VIII> you can lay off with the periods :)
10:50 <K2> p - the uncursed +0 Staff of the Archmagi (weapon in hands) (40 aum).  The Staff of the Archmagi casts an aura of darkness!
10:50 <Loggers_VIII> !
10:50 <K2> ^ if wielding as a drow
10:50 <K2> otherwise its light
10:51 <Loggers_VIII> what if I wield it as non-drow and then polymorph into one while wielding it
10:51 <K2> nope
10:51 <K2> cant be polyd, staff is smart
10:51 <Umbire> Doubting the wiki isn't exactly the problem here.
10:51 <Umbire> In that it's not the problem at all, but anyway.
10:52 <Loggers_VIII> hey you can't drop that on me and then hit me with a 'but anyway'
10:52 <Umbire> The Staff doesn't emit an aura of any kind otherwise, does it?
10:52 <Loggers_VIII> it emits light
10:53 <krm26> i think loggers and umbire are about to kiss
10:53 <Umbire> Don't you have literally anything else to do right now?
10:53 <krm26> sorry sorry sorry
10:54 <Umbire> Never heard that come up until now, neat.
10:55 <Loggers_VIII> umbire serious talk, if doubting the wiki and reading the table wrong isn't the problem here, I fail to see one
10:55 <Loggers_VIII> if I've done something to annoy you I'd like to know what it is
10:56 <Umbire> I more dislike the 'general' feeling of being made to second-guess myself.
10:56 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/2210d99e1eda...96f05217ea76
10:56 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 96f0521 - The Staff of the Archmagi will either give off light or darkness depnding on the race that wields it.
10:56 <Loggers_VIII> yeah, sorry. mistake on my part
10:57 <Umbire> Don't worry about it.
11:01 <Umbire> Hm, dunno why I thought they were red.
11:03 <Loggers_VIII> how did you notice that edit so fast??
11:03 <Loggers_VIII> thought I could sneak that one by
11:04 <Umbire> It didn't help that you typed my name in the summary.
11:05 <Umbire> There's an IRC channel for the wiki.
11:05 <Loggers_VIII> no way
11:05 <Umbire> #nethackwiki
11:05 <Loggers_VIII> I unknowingly pinged you?
11:05 <Umbire> Correct.
11:05 <Loggers_VIII> today has been blunder after blunder
11:06 <Loggers_VIII> which is weird, since I actually got sleep last night
11:06 <Umbire> In any event, inaccuracy is whatever, that can usually be remedied, but I don't take well to the possibility I've just been steering people wrong the whole time, not merely misguided but like completely wrong, but also no one opted to tell me because question mark.
11:06 <Loggers_VIII> yeah I get that
11:07 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/96f05217ea76...74a3e1542fc5
11:07 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 74a3e15 - Fix: player monster Drow spawning with inappropriate objects.
11:07 <Umbire> I really don't enjoy being jerked around, and I apologize for taking even a bit of that out on you.
11:08 <Loggers_VIII> it's my bad don't worry about it
11:08 <Loggers_VIII> I apologize for jerking you around :)
11:08 <Umbire> You didn't, is the thing.
11:08 <Loggers_VIII> well I kind of did
11:08 <K2> oh hey, we're all made up now yeah? move along now
11:08 <Loggers_VIII> good idea
11:08 <K2> heh :P
11:09 <Umbire> ...wait, so convicts just get grappling hooks now.
11:09 <K2> player monster convicts do
11:09 <Umbire> Oh.
11:09 <K2> its what they used to escape
11:09 <K2> flavor
11:09 <Loggers_VIII> hah
11:09 <Loggers_VIII> well what did player player convicts use
11:09 <Loggers_VIII> a spoon?
11:10 <Umbire> That's the dnh flavor that I recall.
11:10 <NetSysFire> also other variants
11:10 <Umbire> Or, some kind of flavor used in variants of the patch.
11:10 <Umbire> I don't recall too well right now.
11:10 <NetSysFire> Loggers_VIII: rocks!
11:10 <NetSysFire> they used their iron ball as a grappling hook obv
11:11 <Loggers_VIII> I'm going to go do dishes, brb
11:11 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed]
11:12 <Umbire> It just felt like "player convicts get grappling hooks" was where that could logically lead.
11:13 <Umbire> Which, 'obviously' it won't, but I'd honestly forgotten hooks even existed until now.
11:22 <Demo> i dont like that commit message, it makes me get too creative thinking about what "inappropriate objects" drows could spawn with
11:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 2314 points, T:2600, poisoned by a little dart
11:27 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack
11:27 <Loggers_VIII> I'm sorry, how many poison instadeaths is that for my tortle priests?
11:27 <Loggers_VIII> another great run, another randomly poisoned dart from a gnome >:(
11:28 <Loggers_VIII> anyway back to dishes
11:28 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit]
11:38 <Graznop> krm26: I see u.uconduct.wisharti incrementing in objnam.c, but this happens even if gift is then taken away ('...but then it disappears!')
11:39 <krm26> ah really? i just spent a few seconds glancing at it and didn't notice that
11:39 <Graznop> so the chances of the gift being taken away keep increasing, even when you don't get the gift? Or am I missing something?
11:39 <krm26> that would certainly explain my luck :-)
11:39 <krm26> i think that is the only place that wisharti gets altered
11:39 <krm26> and it makes sense with the data i've collected this run
11:45 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack
11:45 <Loggers_VIII> ok am back
11:45 <Loggers_VIII> wait, the artiwish chances DO decrease if you wish for it and don't get it?
11:48 -!- UnFortuneCookie has joined #evilhack
11:58 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:58 <K2> no
11:58 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack
11:59 <Loggers_VIII> well now I'm confused
11:59 <K2> the act of wishing wont make odds worse
11:59 <K2> for a quick sec i thought maybe they did
11:59 <K2> they do not
12:00 <krm26> the embedded tty playing on hardfought is just SO EXCELLENT now k2, an amazing enhancement
12:00 <Loggers_VIII> ^
12:00 <K2> thanks. paxed did all the heavy lifting on that, i just got him interested in it again
12:00 <Loggers_VIII> it does go sort of slow but it has been super convenient
12:01 <K2> move the slider to the left
12:01 <Loggers_VIII> no way
12:01 <Loggers_VIII> the left??
12:01 <K2> way
12:01 <Loggers_VIII> I've been moving it to the right...
12:01 <Graznop> I'm looking in objnam.c and misunderstanding it then, I'm seeing wisharti being incremented even if the gift is then taken away
12:01 <K2> the slider is how many ms per turn (500ms default), left is less
12:02 <Loggers_VIII> oh my gosh that's so much better
12:02 <krm26> Yeah, instead of saying "Speed" it should say "Delay" and then it would make UI sense
12:02 <Loggers_VIII> I just thought that 1000 speed would be faster than 500 :P
12:02 <K2> yeah its a bit confusing
12:02 <Loggers_VIII> oh I love this so much
12:03 <krm26> hah been beating shit to death with gauntlets of purity for a few 100 turns in the sanctum without noticing
12:05 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed]
12:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) polymorphed his first item, on T:19364 (5:41:04)
12:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed the giant high priest of Moloch, on T:86453 (1 day, 19:13:00)
12:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:86472 (1 day, 19:13:54)
12:18 <krm26> seeing the at range attempts to engulf on ghosts too
12:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a leather armor entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:19469 (5:48:48)
12:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:19811 (5:53:04)
12:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed Lucifer, on T:86573 (1 day, 19:30:15)
12:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) entered Purgatory, on T:86583 (1 day, 19:31:32)
12:38 <krm26> i love it when the wizard respawns after 5 turns
12:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:86682 (1 day, 19:40:17)
12:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:20255 (6:17:48)
12:49 <krm26> damn! lost my level 49 dragon on the last move out of purgatory
13:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:87365 (1 day, 19:58:31)
13:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:87433 (1 day, 20:00:39)
13:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:87433 (1 day, 20:00:43)
13:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:87435 (1 day, 20:00:52)
13:13 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/74a3e1542fc5...b9fe36fbc812
13:13 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 b9fe36f - Fix: worn glass helmets would never break when boulders hit them.
13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:87688 (1 day, 20:11:13)
13:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed the saddled White Horse, on T:87691 (1 day, 20:11:56)
13:14 <K2> go krm26 go
13:15 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack
13:18 <Loggers_VIII> would it not make sense to make a rider identifiable by telepathy after you've already seen them once?
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:87780 (1 day, 20:17:33)
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) murdered her faithful lesser nightmare, on T:87780 (1 day, 20:17:33)
13:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed the Black Horse, on T:87783 (1 day, 20:17:40)
13:21 <krm26> grand tour
13:21 <mobileuser> dinner is ready, so I'm gonna say congrats krm26 and I hope I'm not jinxing it :-)
13:22 <Loggers_VIII> hah, that's weird
13:22 <Loggers_VIII> why's death female
13:22 <krm26> mobileuser! how could you!
13:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) destroyed the saddled Pale Horse, on T:87824 (1 day, 20:20:17)
13:22 <K2> i hope krm26 loses <--- anti jinx
13:23 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
13:23 <Loggers_VIII> I hope he gets slowed and faints
13:23 <krm26> k2: T87823-25, interesting rider bug -- death was on top of me after his horse was killed out from under him
13:23 <krm26> i think
13:23 <K2> i hope jesus comes back and says 'wassup bitches'
13:23 <Loggers_VIII> *her horse, if the stethoscope is to be believed
13:23 <K2> krm26 fixed for next version
13:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:87831 (1 day, 20:21:32)
13:24 <krm26> goddamn musicdemon with his wand of polymorph keeps de-mammothing my entourage
13:25 <Loggers_VIII> you're in the temple who cares
13:25 <Loggers_VIII> gg
13:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law), 6551334 points, T:87854, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1682006013.evil.html
13:25 <Loggers_VIII> \o/
13:26 <Graznop> congratz krm26! \o/
13:26 <K2> wooop
13:26 <K2> tortle priest
13:26 <K2> and they said it couldnt be done
13:26 <Loggers_VIII> is arc the only tort left?
13:26 <krm26> healer
13:27 <Loggers_VIII> pff yearight
13:27 <krm26> this run was basically a healer run
13:27 <Loggers_VIII> vaderflag can have healer
13:27 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed]
13:28 <krm26> i think there are two priest combos left for me to ascend
13:28 <krm26> but imma wait for drow
13:29 <krm26> i was worried about being blindfolded so much in the endgame because of my horrors but it turned out not so bad -- worst part was accidentally losing my weapon in the sanctum and having to go back for it
13:30 <krm26> i.e. business as usual
13:34 <krm26> i did use ashmar and no casting for most of that ascension
13:40 <K2> wewp
13:41 <K2> what's a better death reason than 'hitting an adverse material' ?
13:43 <krm26> anaphylactic shock
13:43 <krm26> pissing on the third rail
13:43 <krm26> inappropriate contact
13:48 <krm26> susprised only 29 people have ascended evilhack (online)
13:51 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/b9fe36fbc812...8902013d9ca3
13:51 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 8902013 - Glass armor that blocks an attack has a chance to break.
13:55 <mobileuser> Yay I didn't jinx it!
13:55 <mobileuser> Must have been the K2 anti-jinx :b
13:56 <K2> hahah
13:58 <K2> qt question - levl[x][y].lit <--- can x and y denote an object? not furniture, but an actual object that is on the ground or would be in inventory
13:59 <K2> there's u.ux, u.uy (player) mon->mx, mon->my (monster), is there something similar for a normal object?
14:01 <K2> there's OBJ_INVENT and the like but that's not actual x , y coordinates
14:02 <qt> you mean the x/y coordinates of an object on the ground?
14:02 <K2> sure
14:02 <K2> 'where' maybe
14:02 <qt> obj->ox, obj->oy
14:02 <qt> just keep in mind you can't grab a random object and use those values, they will be stale/not accurate for an object that isn't on the ground (i.e. one in hero or monster inventory)
14:03 * K2 nods
14:03 <K2> ah i see it in obj.h
14:03 <K2> hrm
14:04 <K2> reason i ask is this - in dnethack, drow armor decays in light. i dont want to do that, player would spend way too much time managing armor and trying to stay in the dark, etc
14:04 <K2> my thought - if drow armow is in light, it becomes brittle like glass
14:04 <K2> and can break if struck
14:04 <qt> you kind of have to do something like if (mcarried(obj)) { x = obj->ocarry->mx, y = obj->ocarry->my; } else if (carried(obj)) { x = u.ux, y = u.uy; } else { x = obj->ox, y = obj->oy; }
14:04 <qt> to get the actual current location of an object
14:05 <qt> sounds like a cool idea
14:06 <qt> oh yeah I forgot there's also OBJ_CONTAINED, in which case you have to do the same for the container I guess
14:06 <K2> yeah
14:06 <K2> for what I want to do, OBJ_CONTAINED wouldn't apply
14:08 <K2> thanks qt i'll try and work this out
14:17 <qt> cool, let me know if you run into any trouble
14:18 <qt> might want to make "spot_is_lit" into a macro or function like this https://termbin.com/vbmw
14:19 <qt> then you could use that in place of any existing use of that construction (e.g. where it affects to-hit) and also use it here
14:19 <K2> oh that's nice, thanks
14:20 <qt> actually come to think of it that would be "spot_is_dark"
14:20 <qt> you'd have to negate it to make it "spot_is_lit"
14:20 <K2> i could make both
14:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a brown pudding, on T:9404 (2:05:13)
14:24 <K2> https://termbin.com/xwtn
14:25 <qt> I'm pretty sure spot_is_lit is wrong
14:25 <qt> because TEMP_DARK overrides TEMP_LIT so you can't just swap the terms like that, it's not symmetrical
14:26 <qt> just use !spot_is_dark for spot_is_lit
14:26 <K2> but that's what is in use now
14:26 <qt> that's wrong then I think
14:26 <K2> it was your example
14:26 <qt> I must have made a mistake then
14:26 <K2> it works though? i havent seen any issues
14:27 <qt> I thought that was the one I shared at first, then I said "oh wait because of how temp dark works you have to do it the other way" and replaced it
14:27 <K2> oh
14:27 <qt> the only time it would matter is if you're in a spot with simultaneously a lit lamp and a lit cursed magic lamp
14:28 <qt> if you are using those spot_is_dark and spot_is_lit macros both would be TRUE I think
14:28 <qt> since TEMP_DARK is the one that overrides everything else, spot_is_dark is the one that'd be right
14:28 <K2> welp... heh
14:28 <K2> thankfully the boolean i made for the equiv of spot_is_lit is only in 2 places
14:28 <qt> I think you can probably just replace it with !spot_is_dark
14:29 <qt> no big deal
14:29 <K2> ok
14:29 <K2> <3
14:29 <qt> love ya bitch
14:29 <K2> lol
14:29 <K2> my kid just called i al;most said that when i answered
14:30 <qt> because you were reading it on IRC while you answered?
14:30 <qt> lol close call
14:30 <K2> yes lol
14:30 <K2> i was like 'lo... errrr hi sweetie'
14:31 <qt> I've done that sometimes too, reading something and talking and say out loud what I'm reading instead of what I meant to say
14:31 <qt> interesting how that happens
14:31 <K2> ^ all the time
14:31 <K2> its related to why i mess up typing all the time
14:31 <qt> I wonder if that is some indication that reading and formulating speech share some brain circuits
14:31 <qt> I bet there are studies on it
14:31 <K2> i think there are
14:32 <K2> something like, women are better at typing and holding a conversation at the same time because of the way their brains are wired or something
14:32 <K2> there are gender differences
14:32 <K2> my wife can watch tv, be on her phone and talk to me at the same time, no clue how
14:33 <K2> i cant hold a phone convo and talk/type to someone else at same time
14:35 <qt> i can typically watch a movie or something and have a conversation at the same time but it's hard to do that if it's a dense book, and very hard/impossible if I am typing with someone (effectively having two simultaneous conversations)
14:37 <K2> yup exactly
14:37 <Umbire> it's not entirely gender differences I'd think but hmm
14:37 <K2> i dunno
14:38 <K2> i remember quite awhile ago reading a thing that said it my be gender based, but i'd get a 2nd opinion
14:38 <K2> *may
14:39 <krm26> i remember ages ago in college at dinner (at delz, for qt) a female friend was going on and on about how women were more creative because the hemispheres of their brain communicated together better
14:39 <krm26> and i said yeah, it is called a short circuit
14:39 <krm26> and i got a piece of pizza in the face
14:40 <krm26> so i'm gonna go with women are better at most things, since i ended up with pizza in the face and she didnt
14:42 <K2> :)
14:42 <K2> women make better pilots in general. better spatial sense
14:42 <qt> the absolute worst multitasker I've ever met is female
14:42 <K2> of course their are outliers hah
14:42 <qt> not that it means women aren't better at that on average
14:45 <qt> to hear her tell it, if she is paying attention to a movie or something she doesn't even process people speaking to her by name unless they repeat themselves several times
14:45 <krm26> i havent seen a movie that good in a decade
14:45 <qt> not consciously ignoring it but just doesn't consciously hear it
14:46 <qt> she has ADHD or something though so maybe that's related
14:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack
14:51 <Umbire> I mean that's not a barometer of correctness
14:51 <Umbire> so much as it is a barometer of likeliness to have something thrown at you
15:00 <K2> qt this works - https://termbin.com/8bb4 - if I just use !spot_is_dark(x, y) behavior is no different between light/dark
15:00 <qt> you deleted the maybe_polyd(is_drow(... parts
15:00 <qt> ?
15:01 <K2> oh fuck
15:01 <K2> reeeeeeeeeee
15:01 <qt> I don't understand how using !spot_is_dark would mean the behavior is no different between light and dark. let me look at it
15:02 <qt> how can you tell whether it's working?
15:02 <qt> how do you test it? I want to try
15:02 <K2> typing
15:03 <K2> as drow - get a lot of hit points. drop yourself down to as close to zero as you can. save the game. come back, n1000s while in light, same in dark. check difference in how many turns it took to fully heal
15:04 <qt> hmm I think I will just add some plines ;)
15:05 <K2> i'm partial to real world tests :P
15:05 <K2> but yeah that is smart
15:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 5579 points, T:5453, killed by the Goblin King
15:08 <qt> so I tried it like this: https://termbin.com/m94r
15:09 <qt> and !spot_is_dark seems to work, it gives me the "Drow in lit area" messages when in a permalit area, and if in a dark area with a lamp. but not in a lit area with a cursed magic lamp
15:10 <K2> ok. how about actual healing rate, or power regen
15:10 <K2> what did you observe
15:16 <qt> it seems to be the same rate because the turn on which the healing happens is always a multiple of 3
15:16 <qt> let's see what changes when my level and con are different
15:19 <qt> when I change my level to > 9 I do see the difference
15:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:24009 (8:48:17)
15:19 <qt> when in a lit area, each tick of healing I heal 1-3 HP. when in a dark area, each tick of healing I heal 4-12 HP
15:20 <qt> I think if you want to apply a consistent change in healing rate, you need to adjust the rate at which the healing "ticks" happen, instead of adjusting the amount healed per tick
15:20 <qt> because that was the reason it was not making a difference initially, is that the default rate of healing "ticks" meant that they were already all divisible by 3, so the "adjustment" did nothing
15:22 <qt> I mean that's certainly true by definition for the level > 9, Con <= 12 case -- look at it https://termbin.com/kcu5
15:23 <qt> the outer 'if' guarantees healing happens on each turn that is a multiple of 3, and then the drow "adjustment" is "if the turn isn't a multiple of 3, don't heal this time" -- which will never have an effect because that's when healing is guaranteed to happen anyway
15:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had a pair of cloth low boots entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:24599 (8:54:39)
15:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a short sword entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:61792 (11:30:00)
15:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:25207 (9:03:01)
15:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 643 points, T:2466, killed by a fall onto poison spikes
15:36 <qt> like I think something like this would mean healing always happens LIT_DROW_REGEN_MULTIPLIER times more slowly https://termbin.com/iou3
15:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1860 (0:40:37)
15:38 <qt> you could do it the other way for the particular type of healing that involves more than 1hp increases, because there is definitely a difference between healing 1/3 the amount each time at the normal pace, vs healing the normal amount each time at 1/3 the normal pace...
15:39 <qt> but the 1hp ticks I think you need an approach more like that
15:48 <K2> sorry got pulled away
15:49 <K2> ah i see
15:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
15:56 <K2> giving this a spin
16:02 <K2> yeah that works
16:03 <K2> that might work too well heh
16:09 <qt> might consider changing LIT_DROW_REGEN_MULTIPLIER from 3L to 2L or something
16:09 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:10 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack
16:20 <K2> actually its fine
16:20 <K2> i was testing with a low con drow
16:20 <K2> higher con makesa significant difference
16:20 <K2> but this is effectively 3x longer to heal and regen power
16:21 <K2> before it was what... quasi 3x?
16:25 <Umbire> Halls count as dark squares, right
16:26 <Umbire> Asking, for the record
16:27 <K2> yes
16:27 <K2> if they're lit you'll know, quite the contrast
16:34 <K2> qt what do you think it was the way before? quasi 3x? sorta kind pi(x)?
16:34 <K2> or just... I dont know what
16:34 <K2> :P
16:35 <qt> K2, I think with the way the previous implementation was broken, it there was no difference at all if level > 9 and con <= 12, a 3x difference if level > 9 and con > 12, and something between 1x and 3x (depending on xlvl) if level <= 9
16:36 <qt> and those are HP, it looks like there was actually only a 2x difference in en regeneration (deliberately, apparently)
16:37 <qt> I didn't notice that there was a difference between the intended HP and EN modifiers -- anyway it should be easy to modify the exact rate(s) there
16:39 <K2> yup
16:39 <K2> thanks for making that better
16:39 <K2> more betterly
16:41 <qt> no worries babe
16:41 <K2> bae
16:42 <K2> gotchu boo
16:42 * K2 notices krm26 starting to dry heave
16:52 <krm26> luckily i don't understand the speechification of you young "hep cats"
16:54 <qt> babe = famous baseball player, bae = typo for babe, boo = ghost noise
16:55 <qt> "i got you, boo" is what a ghost says as it suddenly appears behind you
16:56 <krm26> i'm so old i have a babe ruth signature
16:56 <krm26> i guess technically my grandmother got it
17:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed]
17:15 <K2> :)
17:33 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest5151
17:33 -!- Guest5151 has quit [Killed (cadmium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))]
17:33 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack
17:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law) destroyed the invisible parasite's ghost, the former Student of Metals, on T:33073 (11:05:51)
17:40 -!- Graznop_ has joined #evilhack
17:40 -!- Graznop is now known as Guest5312
17:40 -!- Guest5312 has quit [Killed (calcium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))]
17:40 -!- Graznop_ is now known as Graznop
17:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:29095 (1 day, 20:43:59)
17:48 <terrapin> I only skimmed the backscroll---what was the outcome of the artiwish debate?
17:49 <terrapin> because Graznop was totally correct
17:49 <terrapin> wisharti increments even when you don't get an artifact, or if you wish for an existing artifact and get a base item instead
17:50 <terrapin> mostly unrelated, but if the artifact comes with an owner, readobjnam() returns before dealing with erosion status. most relevantly, the artifact will not respect your specifications as to its fixedness
17:51 <terrapin> wow that last sentence was super awkward. can't think of a better way to put it though. e.g. if you wish for a fixed grimtooth and get an mplayer with it, Grimtooth will probably not be fixed
17:54 <terrapin> my two cents: the artiwish incrementing is evil and not in a fun way. probably the easiest way to change it is to put the wisharti++ in makewish() and remove it from readobjnam() (remembering to change the if statements to rn2(wishart + 1) for chances of getting the artifact/getting a guardian). also, the erosion bit should be moved up to line 4883
17:59 <terrapin> it seems like maybe it's intentional that wisharti increments even if you don't get the artifact? but this seems inconsistent. weaponless conduct isn't broken if you "try" to break it by attempting to hit an enemy with a wielded weapon and missing; why should artiwishless be broken in a parallel situation?
18:01 <K2> hi
18:01 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
18:02 <K2> see i thought that's how it was
18:03 <K2> krm26 saw it one way, you're seeing it differently, both of you know how to program. so which is it?
18:03 <K2> :)
18:03 <terrapin> I tested in wizmode
18:04 <K2> i was certain the artiwish odds incremented per wish attempt, regardless of outcome
18:04 <krm26> yeah, i assume it is intended that way; it is fine if that is the intent
18:04 <terrapin> after wishing for excalibur three times, and getting a long sword the latter two, #conduct said I had made three artiwishes
18:05 <krm26> i just had an erroneous understanding, as is often the case. would i implement it that way myself? maybe. not in vanilla, but in evilhack
18:05 <krm26> but it adjusts my interpretation of prior wishing from extremely unlucky to just normally unlucky
18:05 <krm26> which is...good?
18:06 <krm26> it does make forging must less guaranteed, which is probably good
18:06 <terrapin> that is a good point
18:06 <krm26> and it means lawful isn't so much screwed compared to neutral, who have all the good wishing quest artifacts
18:06 <terrapin> okay, maybe it's evil in an *interesting* way
18:07 <krm26> i would say if documented on the wiki i have no complaints
18:07 <krm26> and if i'm not whining there is TRULY little to whine about
18:07 <K2> its this way in other variants as well i'm pretty sure
18:09 -!- Frozty has joined #evilhack
18:09 <terrapin> ooh, embarassing---I'm the one who put the incorrect info on the wiki
18:10 <krm26> vanilla just always gives you every artifact, right?
18:10 <krm26> well that must be why i thought that :-)  the circle of life
18:10 <terrapin> I mean, the incorrect information was sorta implied, but I made it explicit
18:10 <VaderFLAG> This is all so confusing, might as well just remove wishes entirely
18:11 <krm26> you can do that voluntarily
18:11 <krm26> i doubt it would significantly decrease your ascension rate
18:11 <krm26> in fact, you've probably ascended again since joining this conversation :-P
18:11 <K2> hah
18:13 <krm26> the erosion thing definitely is a bug tho
18:15 <Frozty> Quiet enough in here for *another* question from me?
18:16 <Frozty> I just killed Cerberus and ate his tinned corpse, but didn't get Teleport Control. How does that work here with incremental intrinsics?
18:16 <terrapin> only fire/frost/poison/shock/sleep (did I miss any?) are incremental
18:17 <Frozty> I looked at his description in-game and it listed TC.
18:17 <terrapin> you have a flat 1 in 12 (?) chance of getting teleport control from eating an eligible corpse
18:17 <Frozty> So all or nothing like vanilla for TC.
18:18 <terrapin> yes. but it's always 1 in 12 so I guess evilhack doesn't bother with giving the probability in the monster lookup
18:20 <K2> no variant does
18:21 <K2> its one of those things you learn or lookup in the code or on the wiki
18:21 <K2> TC, teleportisis, esp is not incremental - its all or none
18:22 <Frozty> I was thinking of it like it was an intrinsic, but that's not really right then.  It's more like Invisibility.
18:22 <K2> no, its an intrinsic
18:22 <K2> you eat a thing to get <special ability or power>, intrinsic
18:22 <K2> wear/wield a magic item to get same power, extrinsic
18:24 <Frozty> That's right. I was thinking of it like it was a *resistance* then.
18:25 <K2> gotcha
18:31 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:32 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/8902013d9ca3...2f7ce6a78427
18:32 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 2f7ce6a - Improvements to how Drow weaknesses are handled.
18:34 <K2> terrapin nice wiki update
18:35 <K2> oh snap, jerry springer died
18:49 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack
18:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack
18:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:29500 (1 day, 21:23:02)
18:53 <Loggers_VIII> reading backscroll; I'd like to close the book on the artiwish thing in my mind once and for all. SO, if I wish for magicbane and do not get it, my chance of getting it next wish still decreases?
18:54 <K2> yes
18:54 <Loggers_VIII> ok thank you k2
18:54 <K2> o/
18:55 <Loggers_VIII> I will forgive you for spreading fake news :)
18:55 <Loggers_VIII> @e?antimatter vortex
18:55 <Hecubus> antimatter vortex (v) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d10 engulf disintegrate, 0d0 passive disintegrate | Align: 0 | genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, unsolid, infravis, passes-bars, vegan
18:56 <K2> omg noooo
18:56 <K2> i'm not alternative facts! i'm legit! lol
18:56 <K2> on that note - food/tv time, bbl
18:56 <Loggers_VIII> lol
18:56 <Loggers_VIII> o/
18:57 <Loggers_VIII> hm maybe I'll try tortle healer
18:57 <Loggers_VIII> for the poison res
18:59 <Loggers_VIII> actually, before I do that I oughta figure out the Mace Paradox
18:59 <Loggers_VIII> I'm off to my secret lab
18:59 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed]
20:12 -!- Graznop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:13 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack
20:26 <terrapin> minor feedback issue: tortles are told "You can't breathe, but you don't need to!" when engulfed by drowning attacks, which is a bit misleading. relevant lines: https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/2f7ce6a7842781ab57112b93b83f6474f5a6b47d/src/mhitu.c#L2801
20:32 <krm26> yeah, that is a bit misleading
21:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Deuce (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 112031 points, T:38166, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while frozen by a monster
21:30 * K2 nods
21:36 <K2> started watching the first avatar in preparation for watching the 2nd one finally. i forgot how long the first one was
21:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
22:18 -!- Frozty has quit [Quit: Client closed]
22:23 <terrapin> it's part of the environmental moral: in the time between the start and end of the movie, global warming gets measurably worse. 
22:28 <K2> by god i will finish it tonight
22:28 <K2> i needed a break
22:31 -!- Loggers_X has joined #evilhack
22:41 -!- Loggers_X has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)]
23:08 -!- Loggers_X has joined #evilhack
23:08 <Loggers_X> k2 you still around?
23:09 <Loggers_X> ah he's watching avatar
23:11 <K2> i'm here
23:11 <Loggers_X> oh cool
23:12 <Loggers_X> I think I may have come up with a good solution for the forging recipe thing? I stuck it in a pastebin since it's rather lengthy: https://pastebin.com/DFihAwec
23:12 <Loggers_X> I'm going to bed now, enjoy your movie
23:12 <Loggers_X> a bit too long for its own good I always thought :P
23:12 -!- Loggers_X has quit [Client Quit]
23:12 <K2> nooo
23:13 <K2> club cant be a recipe obj, its made of wood
23:16 <terrapin> so are elven weapons, naturally---but you can still forge metallic versions
23:16 <K2> true
23:16 <K2> yeah... 
23:16 <K2> hmm
23:16 <K2> i forgot about that
23:16 <K2> club will work if you can find a metal one
23:19 <terrapin> yeah I wouldn't mind the new mace recipe but a recipe to make a club seems bad---way too easy to make a metal one for extra damage. metallic elven weapons don't have as many advantages plus you need other metallic elven gear to make it
23:20 <terrapin> maybe ya + bolts?
23:20 <K2> i'll need tothink it over
23:20 <K2> i'm getting sleepy, gonna finish this movie then prob go to bed
23:21 <terrapin> yeah, forging is *hard.* it's impressive there's only one noticeable issue with the recipes
23:21 <terrapin> good night!
23:21 <K2> gnite o/