00:03 neat 00:04 -!- Loggers_X has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:15 -!- Loggers_X has joined #evilhack 00:21 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/813cb088ba49...fdea9fa18b42 00:21 [EvilHack] k21971 fdea9fa - Sting warns of spiders. 00:21 oooh I didnt realize how late it was. gnite o/ 00:22 night k2 o/ 00:22 oh weird, I thought sting always warned of spiders 00:30 Nah 00:30 You might be thinking specifically of dnh Sting 00:31 oh neat there's a mid-size spider now 00:41 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:13086 (1:53:36) 00:46 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a Woodland-elf, on T:13431 (1:58:48) 00:58 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a staff of holiness entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:14590 (2:11:06) 01:28 -!- Loggers_X has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:40 'lo mobileuser, been updating wiki 01:40 think you might have something to offer? 01:45 I'm giving all the quest nemeses a pass-over so if you have strategy stuff for them that's especially welcome 01:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 10 bone arrows on an altar, on T:3913 (1:22:51) 01:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4584 (1:28:56) 02:03 thx Umbire, I'll have a look later! 02:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2815 points, T:5618, killed by a pit fiend 02:14 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 02:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 396 points, T:190, killed by a hobbit 02:20 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:20180 (3:33:11) 03:58 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:13 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 04:54 A promising game. Turn 1614, a freaking basilisk! 04:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1766 points, T:1616, killed by a basilisk, while praying 05:04 polytrapped? 05:10 It was in a corridor. Maybe. 05:11 A dark corridor. 05:26 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 05:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:21 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:40 Think it's time to start on forged artifacts now 07:10 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 07:26 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Sword_of_Annihilation 07:26 this should do for now 07:54 nice 07:55 few things I meant to ask you before leaving 07:55 besides "does SoA's page look correct" 07:55 yeah looks fine 07:56 was there a particular basis for turning the Dark One into an illithid 07:56 or was it just "sounds cool lesgo" 07:56 ^ that 07:56 haha 07:56 makes sense 07:56 plus i wanted a reason to set up some mind flayer larva rooms 07:57 I forgot most of the details concerning that change and brainpower is low 07:57 so I have that earmarked for when I wake up 07:57 though, now I remember I wanted to ask someone else something 07:58 bhaak: did UnNetHack decide to change the nemesis's name to Anaraxis the Black before or after xnh? and in either case do you know where the name came from 07:59 now what else... 07:59 Umbire: I blatantly stole it from xNetHack. IIRC aosdict said the name was their own invention 07:59 oh bet 07:59 @?Archon 07:59 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 07:59 @e?Archon 07:59 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 08:00 huh, thought there'd be slight differences 08:00 so can set that aside 08:00 what else else 08:00 OH 08:01 K2: so you're set on giving sleep poisons their own potion item, yeah? 08:01 um 08:01 you probably saw the sickness/juice-style alchemy suggestion I made earlier 08:02 but also I just realized SLASH variants actually have that implemented as "weapon attacks that cause sleep" 08:02 since i made the commit, yeah i'm set 08:02 in slash'em drow race have a bare-handed sleep attack 08:03 yeah, and the thought was "what if that but with Evil player/monster drow" 08:03 similar to Rogues and theft 08:03 nah, potion 08:03 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:03 which, probably not happening but it's A Thought 08:03 potion 08:03 actually lemme... 08:04 ad&d drow never had a physical sleep attack. it was either they coated their weapons (typically crossbow bolts) or cast a spell 08:04 dnh has it done via poisoned rings 08:04 yeah a charged signet ring 08:05 i'm not sure if they apply it to another object or if they punch monsters bare-handed while wearing it 08:05 can follow that crumb trail and see if it's based in other editions, if not necessarily AD&D 1E 08:05 K2: the impression I got was the latter as you can prob. guess 08:05 there is no other version of ad&d after 1st edition. wrap your brain around that, things get a lot easier 08:06 :) 08:06 and that was gonna be my Idea, minus the ring 08:06 lol 08:06 i saw your mention of alchemy for drow poison 08:06 i dont think it should be that easy to make 08:06 which is fine 08:06 but maybe something along that line 08:07 Variant YANI: Player drow that attack with their bare hands have a chance of inducing sleep similar to EvilHack's implementation of theft attacks for player-controlled Rogues. EvilHack is unlikely to adapt this itself, as drow poison is already slated as a separate item. 08:07 in ad&d, drow use harvest a type of fungus to make their sleep poison 08:07 ^just formalizing that, so I can put a pin in it for later research 08:07 K2: yeah that was brought up 08:10 i'm more inclined to add that ability for making drow sleep poison. i think that would be neat 08:10 brb 08:13 Oh? 08:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 10529 points, T:6446, killed by a water moccasin 08:21 yes 08:21 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:25 Go on 08:25 oi logs 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 3548 points, T:3853, killed by Izchak; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 08:25 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Sword_of_Annihilation 08:25 oh no 08:25 oh noooo 08:25 I misclicked :P 08:26 meant to press 3 but pressed 4 08:26 also hi 08:27 hey 08:27 Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack 08:27 haaaaay 08:27 hah 08:27 Umbire you said 'oh?' so I said 'yes' 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Kni Cen Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:908 (0:10:27) 08:28 i have one week til may 1st 08:29 oh 08:29 K2, Loggers_VIII: does calm steed still work as fixed in SlashTHEM 08:29 been a minute 08:29 he thinks the poison making using fungus idea is Neat™ \o/ 08:29 also what about Hack'EM 08:29 I could not tell you because I know nothing about slashthem 08:29 actually I've never once played Yeoman, hm 08:30 i think its fixed in slashthem, but i dunno for sure. ask someone who plays it a lot 08:30 ask malor 08:31 Loggers_VIII, i was thinking of + fruit juice = potion of drow poison 08:31 that makes more sense than water 08:31 i need to get drow objects made first though 08:31 that makes a lot of sense, actually 08:32 and then monsters 08:32 will drow gear be better or worse than elven? 08:32 or the same 08:32 and then after monsters can do the poison thing 08:32 i'm still thinking on that 08:32 it wont be inferior like orcish gear 08:33 I think in SLASH'EM case it was roughly on the same level as elven gear 08:33 it'll be on par with mithril elven gear, adamantine alloy is pretty bad ass 08:33 sometimes with more AC but no MC 08:33 no MC? that's odd 08:33 I'm thinking specifically of the mithril coats 08:33 drow's primary focus on defense was to protect against magic 08:33 I know dark elven MCs had no MC 08:33 dunno about the other itmes 08:33 huh. that's wrong 08:33 items* 08:34 as in it should have some level of MC 08:34 yeah well that's slashem 08:34 SLASH'EM took a lot more liberties than usual with that stuff 08:34 lmao 08:34 ^ it was just balanced so well 08:34 e.g. the rhaumbasan isn't actually carnivorous 08:34 heh 08:34 Janis enters chat 08:34 check the article, I legit looked it up to verify 08:34 what did Janis complain about SLASH'EM too 08:35 no 08:35 he claimed it was very well balanced 08:35 snort 08:35 brb 08:36 I've come around on janis mostly but that one comment will forever be burned into my brain 08:37 I don't hate 'em but they say some very silly things 08:43 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4126 (0:38:05) 08:56 i mean, slashem is more balanced than slex, so there is that 08:56 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:01 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:02 we all do 09:03 except for bhaak, who is perfect in every way 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 3488 points, T:5106, killed by a mountain dwarf, while praying 09:14 almost done, I promise 09:14 @?vampire lord 09:14 vampire lord (V) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 14 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d8 claw physical, 1d8 bite level drain | Align: -9 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, undead, stalker, infravis, silverhate 09:14 @e?vampire lord 09:14 No such monster. 09:14 @e?vampire leader 09:14 No such monster. 09:14 @e?vampire noble 09:14 vampire noble (V) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 14 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 1d8 claw physical, 1d8 bite level drain | Align: -9 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, stalker, infravis, silverhate 09:15 @e?vampire monarch 09:15 No such monster. 09:15 @e?vampire tyrant 09:15 No such monster. 09:15 the hell are the vamp kings/queens then 09:15 * Umbire goes to monst.c 09:16 royal, right 09:17 time to overthrow the hereditary nobility 09:18 tame vampires won't shapeshift in evil, right? 09:19 nah 09:19 don't think so, I had a vampire queen pet once and she didn't shapeshift 09:33 i love getting pet dragons to engulf wraiths 09:34 do they gain a level? 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) killed Nalzok, on T:47091 (17:36:34) 09:34 yes they do 09:34 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:34 well above max, you can get em to 30 09:34 hah ncie 09:34 *nice 09:38 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47144 (17:40:42) 09:40 this pet started out as a cat, became a level 30 yellow dragon, then a zombie and eventually a cat again, and is now a level 28 red dragon 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 2921 points, T:3041, killed by a magic missile 09:41 wands wands wands 09:42 my early games have not been the most fortunate 09:42 hi 09:42 Hello Loggers_VIII, Welcome to #evilhack 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) completed her quest without incident, on T:47370 (17:45:28) 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 846 points, T:1514, killed by the Goblin King 09:49 I don't know why, but the 'bustling town' goblin town message always seemed weird to me 09:49 I mean, it's not really a town 09:49 it's just a bunch of goblins in a cave with a sho 09:49 *shop 09:52 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Goblin_King#Origin 09:52 my guess/hand wave is "primary cavern within the kingdom" 09:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:53 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rhaumbusun wasn't kidding btw 09:54 !who 09:54 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] :: [hdf-eu] No current players :: [hdf-au] No current players 09:54 what is a rhaumbusun, anyway 09:54 check the link! 09:54 that's why it's there! >:c 09:54 procrastinating sleep for nothing smh my head 09:54 ehhhhh :P 09:56 the wiki makes it out to be quite dangerous, but 1d2 is not a very long time to be paralyzed 09:57 and anyway, you can just blind yourself 10:02 which is noted 10:02 in the article 10:02 it's specified as dangerous in the context of "freezing you while something much worse is near" 10:02 yeah but like 10:03 1d2? that's the same as having free action half the time 10:03 not that the wiki's wrong 10:03 but it's a silly monster 10:04 it's up to 4 turns, 1d2 is ig the damage die? 10:04 idk 10:05 huh 10:05 I thought it would work like yellow light damage 10:05 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:05 I guess that's a status, so it would be different 10:06 idk idk 10:07 I'll check later, brain long frying 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Trt Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:47825 (18:09:21) 10:07 should've been out 3 hours ago 10:07 heh 10:08 what time is it for you 10:09 10 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 1341 points, T:2570, killed by a revenant 10:09 someone get this man to bed 10:10 alright game, this run wins 10:10 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:11 you are tortle priesting too? you fool 10:11 defeat is inevitable 10:11 well I like priests and I like tortles 10:12 and then I saw that no one did tortle priest yet 10:12 this is my chance to hit it big 10:12 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:12 although the way it's looking I think you will probably win this run 10:13 well, i'm torturing myself with lawful, so i'll stay out of your neutral way 10:13 i have a 0.003% chance of ascending this run (chance would be 98.3% if i wasn't a tortle) 10:14 heh 10:14 I pity your lawful tortle 10:14 unfortunately i've overleveled to try to deal with my other tortle deficits, so an npc is probably gonna smoke me 10:15 of my frigging horrors this game -- brain-eating cancellers 10:15 meh just get mjollnir you'll smoke them 10:15 tortles dont have much brains to start 10:22 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3186 (0:12:29) 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (antimatter vortices), on T:3247 (0:12:44) 10:24 huh. demons demand more bribe money from co-aligned players 10:25 I don't mean to ruin anyone's fun here, but wooden hammers should not work for forging 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Brigit, on T:4964 (0:16:18) 10:26 YO 10:26 nice 10:27 not with that attitude 10:28 lol 10:32 terrapin they do? hah 10:33 i played with bribery code a loooong time ago 10:33 did a thing that sporkhack did 10:33 i may have messed it up 10:33 yeah looks like it was x / (something depending on alignment) in vanilla and the '/' became a '+' in sporkhack 10:34 but the alignment factor didn't really change 10:34 hmm 10:37 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible LoggersSnail's ghost, the former Adept, on T:6032 (0:24:18) 10:38 I got pretty far with a tortle priest once, until I got one-shotted by a Demogorgon bones 10:42 those pesky bones 10:42 @e?elven royal 10:42 elven royal (@) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep | Confer: sleep | MR: 25 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical | Align: -10 | genocidable, omnivore, seeinvis, infravis 10:42 -!- mobileuser17 has joined #evilhack 10:43 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/fdea9fa18b42...da5a5d92cb7a 10:44 [EvilHack] k21971 da5a5d9 - Adjust weight of large/giant/gargantuan spiders. 10:46 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:46 o no more spiders 10:48 -!- mobileuser17 is now known as mobileuser 10:50 ugh I got my izchak bones and he's still pissed 10:51 it was an accident, damn you! 10:51 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 10:52 heh 10:52 well... you can technically kill izchak 10:52 good luck 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu) had a spellbook of cure blindness given to him by Brigit, on T:6582 (0:26:16) 10:53 i wonder if my level 28 red dragon could 1-shot engulf him 10:53 k2 no he's still immortal in this version >:( 10:53 imagine my monk's surprise when instead of dying he just full healed all 1500 of his hit points 10:53 oh right 10:53 run forrest, run 10:55 can you bribe a shk after you've hit them 10:55 or are they pissed forever 10:55 scroll of taming usually pacifies 'em 10:55 but I don't know if player MR stops that effect 10:57 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Shopkeeper#Pacifying_shopkeepers 10:58 hm 10:58 @e?shopkeeper 10:58 shopkeeper (@) | Lvl: 13 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: 0 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 9715 points, T:10774, killed by a panther, while sleeping 11:04 !Lastgame 11:04 !lastgma 11:04 !lastgame 11:04 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Gutso/evilhack/dumplog/1682292038.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/I/Imanity/evilhack/dumplog/1682195556.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1682247652.evil.html 11:04 *nailed it 11:04 where did that asterisk come from 11:05 vonnegut's breakfast of champions 11:06 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/da5a5d92cb7a...f4adbde72c69 11:06 [EvilHack] k21971 f4adbde - Fix: place poisoned/tainted weapon attacks (monster vs player) in correct location. 11:07 You can bribe them or pacify them through other means 11:07 Unsure about his true form though 11:08 well it's not his true form he's still a shopkeeper 11:10 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 9908 points, T:7923, killed by a death ray 11:11 then it should at least be-- oh 11:11 game could you do me a favor and like fuck off please 11:11 so was that izchak or the watch 11:12 water demon 11:12 that's some case of country matters 11:12 :/ 11:14 "hmm today I will dip for wishes because I have demonbane to kill any water demons I summon" <--- clueless 11:14 oopsie 11:15 fucking hell 11:15 my tortle priests love getting instakilled by poison and wands 11:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1935 points, T:1695, quit 11:16 get outta here rogue 11:17 if the game is just gonna kill me for playing slow anyway I might as well play fast 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed the invisible Tiamat, on T:81916 (1 day, 2:15:43) 11:18 the game will only kill you with tortle starvation for playing slow. it normally kills you for over-leveling 11:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Pri Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:555 (0:01:46) 11:18 is everyone tortling! 11:18 of course that's the first time I get the chromatic dragon scales 11:19 uh I think I have found a bug? 11:19 stone is only +1 to AC right 11:19 yeah 11:19 that's weird, this +0 stone small shield is 3 AC 11:20 wood is -1 AC 11:20 so a net +2 for stone small shields 11:20 ^ 11:20 hah weird 11:21 also weird is that stone small shield inhibits spellcasting more than wood 11:21 is it based on weight? 11:22 yes 11:22 shields are wacky, man 11:22 toques should act like a robe for tortles 11:23 well, ok. I concede that they probably shouldn't, but it would be nice 11:23 priests get the short end of the shield stick, not being able to get any of the enhanced evilhack shields without giving up casting 11:23 honestly, no spellcaster should be able to cast fuck all if wearing a shield 11:23 I mean, you can use ashmar pretty easily as priest 11:24 just take it off if you want to cast magic missile 11:24 "without giving up casting" 11:24 okok you kind of have a point 11:24 but yeah shields are in a weird spot 11:25 why are they so useless on the roles that actually could benefit from them 11:25 at least if you're a tortle, and you can't get a robe 11:25 they compete with artifact weapons for any twoweapon class, and they lose that competition 11:25 because offense is always best 11:26 all the worst crap is stuff you want gone in as few rounds as possible 11:26 I maintain that SoA+Ashmar is at least as good as twoweaponing 11:26 i'd like to be able to wish for crystal shields (of mobility, of light) that don't block spellcasting 11:27 yeah well k2 hates spell casters using shields so keep dreaming :P 11:27 ashmar is certainly the only potential artifact weapon replacer -- and for classe with only basic skill in twoweapon it is probably always better if you can't eat a lot of accuracy rings 11:27 priests should have different shield casting penalties than wizards :-( 11:28 i knowww 11:28 shields shouldn't even inhibit them 11:29 *i know right 11:29 the typos are mischievious today 11:31 I mean Cleaver + light shield has been doin' it for me lately 11:31 hush barbarian >:( 11:32 also I've used some spellcasters with shields so 11:32 well so have I but you need a robe at least 11:32 not always, material can go a long way 11:32 or you can just roll with like 50% fail rate on all your spells 11:32 which I did, to be fair 11:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 1735 points, T:2513, killed by the Goblin King 11:33 I've made up my mind 11:33 I'm winning tortle priest, dammit! 11:34 I mean I also use small shields where I can so it never gets that high 11:34 well ashmar is the best shield anyway so I always go with it if I'm going to use one at all 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Pri Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:887 (0:01:58) 11:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Pri Trt Mal Neu), 458 points, T:1653, killed by a boulder 11:37 oops 11:37 that run wasn't bad either 11:37 my kingdom for a robe wearable by tortles 11:38 y'know, I think a tortle could wear a robe if they tried 11:42 i wish half spell damage halved elemental vulnerability duration 11:42 i can put a t-shirt on my redfoot turtle with no problem 11:43 it's not a tortle 11:43 would be interesting if there was a hatless race (like cuz of horns or a bird crest or someting) 11:43 it is half-tortle on its mother's side 11:44 hahahah 11:44 welp. drow is the last race I am doing 11:44 will there be any new roles 11:44 druid will be the last or 2nd to last role 11:44 I'm still considering helm-less for my workshopping of a taddol player race 11:45 "You'd never agree which head to wear it on!" 11:45 you should consider double hats 11:45 Loggers_VIII: no. 11:45 double amulets 11:45 ooh 11:45 double troulbe 11:45 ettin double hats and amulets! 11:45 demons have horns 11:45 devteam hasn't opened that can for good reason, no fucking shot am I doing it 11:45 but every other move is game controlled as you fight your other self 11:45 K2: only stops them wearing rigid helms 11:45 cloth/leather/etc. are fine 11:46 you would put holes in it 11:46 hah crown as an infidel, your helmet falls off 11:46 brilliant 11:46 Loggers_VIII: there are messages accounting for specifically that 11:46 SHIP IT 11:46 e.g. polymorph to minotaur 11:46 among a few others 11:46