00:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mwrynn (Inf Gia Mal Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2214
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03:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3083 (0:45:32)
03:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3196 (0:46:40)
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03:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:5897 (1:25:51)
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04:45 <Umbire> late since I crashed out but it was always baffling that a potion with a ghost/djinni in it just loses that if it was broken rather than opened normally
04:45 <Umbire> (to me, personally)
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07:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:23344 (6:41:46)
07:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Bar Gia Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:68380 (2 days, 6:17:16)
07:32 <Umbire> @e?Dispater
07:32 <Hecubus> Dispater (&) | Lvl: 78 | Diff: 40 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: -2 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical, 6d6 cast clerical | Align: 15 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis, silverhate
08:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a leather armor entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:25451 (7:11:20)
08:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Mal Law), 90465 points, T:25806, petrified by touching a cockatrice corpse bare-handed
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10:13 <mobileuser> I still don't understand the big attraction of "repair armor". One of the most common things is monsters removing foo-proofing, and repair armor doesn't help with that
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10:22 <Graznop> what about for repairing intrinsically foo-proof stuff (e.g. dragonhide speed boots), without using resources?
10:28 <Umbire> Saving on scrolls of enchant armor is something™ at least
10:29 <mobileuser> yeah for dragonhide stuff it's fine...
10:30 <mobileuser> of course the bastards keep targeting my non-dragonhide stuff :b
10:32 <Graznop> bastard monsters
10:54 <K2> hi
10:54 <Hecubus> Hello K2, Welcome to #evilhack
11:05 <K2> drow poison potions coming along
11:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 2469 points, T:2696, quit
11:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 738 points, T:833, killed by the Goblin King
12:34 <K2> working on this, found and fixed another bug
12:34 <cbus> gj
12:35 <K2> you know how you can poison weapons other than ammo? wasnt doing anything at all mon vs mon or mon vs you
12:35 <cbus> oh
12:36 <K2> need food, brb
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14:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ExaDeuce (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21219 (9:52:50)
14:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:63925 (19:37:45)
14:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:63977 (19:38:56)
15:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 4269 points, T:6896, killed by a baby yellow dragon
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16:08 <K2> hmm
16:08 <K2> am i ready to commit this? maybe
16:09 <K2> would have been a lot easier to just make drow sleep poison effect an object property, hahaha
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16:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 535 points, T:1820, killed by a contaminated potion
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17:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 610 points, T:1445, killed by a piranha
17:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ExaDeuce (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed master key of thievery", on T:22287 (12:26:37)
17:08 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±20] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/56b756dbb5f7...6a63729a4ac1
17:08 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 6a63729 - New object - potion of drow poison.
17:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] ExaDeuce (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:22648 (12:31:42)
17:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:42893 (1 day, 13:01:51)
17:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:42895 (1 day, 13:03:21)
17:26 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/6a63729a4ac1...e3bfccc30e91
17:26 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 e3bfccc - Fix: correct Drow entry in role.c
17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:43087 (1 day, 13:17:56)
17:30 <K2> next up is drow specific gear
17:30 <K2> dunno if i have it in me to start today, the potion commit took a lot of time and thought
17:33 <K2> i might do drow starting pet tonight
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18:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed Baphomet, on T:66704 (21:10:51)
18:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 187 points, T:360, killed by a water demon
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19:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4387 (0:07:28)
19:35 <K2> @e?little dog
19:35 <Hecubus> little dog (d) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Atk: 1d6 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, infravis
19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:6111 (0:15:32)
19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:6143 (0:15:55)
19:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed Lolth, on T:67532 (21:43:52)
19:37 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a warhorse, on T:6234 (0:16:31)
20:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a revenant, on T:69137 (22:22:22)
20:31 <K2> spiders as starting pets for drow anyone?
20:31 <K2> heh
20:31 <K2> about to commit, just testing some bits
20:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:69156 (22:24:49)
20:35 <K2> s        an arachnid or centipede (dark elven rogue called wizard, mounted on your giant spider)
20:35 <K2> :P
21:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:70484 (22:53:04)
21:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Arc Trt Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:70485 (22:53:09)
21:01 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±12] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/e3bfccc30e91...2b8c15da6732
21:01 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 2b8c15d - Drow race starts with a pet spider (role dependent), new spider type monsters.
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21:03 <terrapin> please let drow have some way of avoiding webs...
21:03 <K2> i'll see
21:04 <K2> that's it for tonight i think
21:05 <terrapin> spider pets do sound really cool though
21:09 <Umbire> gonna need a bigger spider ofc
21:09 <Umbire> also driders
21:09 <Umbire> gotta have people-spiders or else what's the point
21:11 <terrapin> hear, hear!
21:12 <terrapin> heh: "You wrap your bullwhip around Betty the Excavator's bullwhip. You yank the bullwhip from Betty the Excavator's claw!" How do you grab a bullwhip with another whip?! Not that I'm complaining
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21:21 <loggers> K2 still around?
21:21 <loggers> If he’s gone to bed I’m gonna have to !tell him
21:22 <Umbire> Likely not asleep but just finished doing drow stuff for the night
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21:22 <Umbire> What's up
21:22 <Umbire> :c
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21:23 <loggers> Gotcha
21:23 <loggers> Anyway, k2: I asked some dnd people and apparently the equivalent for “elven” for drow is literally just drow
21:24 <loggers> E.g “drow short sword” “drow priestess named Bob”, etc
21:25 <loggers> depending on whether or not that works in all necessary contexts you may end up having to make up a word
21:27 <Umbire> I've seen "droven" used by dnh
21:28 <loggers> yeah but iirc k2 said he’s looking for a word that isn’t droven in the poison commit
21:29 <K2> i'm here
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21:29 <Loggers_VIII> correction: this commit https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/e3bfccc30e916ec33fc7c6a423b01b458704e96a
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21:30 <K2> i almost went with just 'drow'
21:32 <K2> I feel like we're on track to have drow race completely fleshed out before may
21:32 <Loggers_VIII> it is looking very cool currently
21:32 <K2> i think the hard birs are done (aura of darkness/ultravision/drow sleep poison)
21:32 <K2> *bits
21:32 <K2> rest is just icing on the cake
21:33 <Loggers_VIII> the darkness is my favorite bit. I like the idea of making the dungeon progressively safer to navigate as you play
21:33 <K2> i still have new monsters to add (drider for sure), and then drow specific armor/weapons
21:33 <K2> and new material
21:33 <Loggers_VIII> just googled drider, wtf
21:33 <Loggers_VIII> it's like quelaag from dark souls 1
21:34 <Umbire> correct
21:34 <K2> https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Adamantine
21:34 <K2> ^ it wont be exactly like this, but this is a good place to start
21:35 <Loggers_VIII> I am a bit confused about the poison though
21:36 <K2> how so
21:36 <Loggers_VIII> it doesn't seem like it offers that much advantage to drow players specifically, besides rogues who start with one
21:36 <Loggers_VIII> cuz its so rare
21:36 <K2> i may make it so any role that is drow race starts with a potion of it
21:37 <Loggers_VIII> makes sense
21:37 <Loggers_VIII> hm
21:37 <Loggers_VIII> I wonder how they make it in dnd
21:38 <Loggers_VIII> lemme google this
21:38 <terrapin> clearly the etymologically correct adjective is "drowie" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trowie :P
21:38 <Loggers_VIII> hahaha
21:38 <K2> uuuugh
21:38 <K2> drow poison is made from a type of fungus i think
21:38 <K2> technically there are several drow poison types
21:39 <K2> but we're going down that path
21:39 <K2> *we're not
21:39 <Loggers_VIII> terrapin well in one of the cleric quintet books Iven and Pikel make a "drow hand crossbow" for Cadderly so there
21:41 <K2> lemme make sure kiddo is in bed, rbrb
21:41 <terrapin> doesn't hack'em have some sort of fermenting thing with fungus and potions?
21:41 <Loggers_VIII> but just imagine how cooool it would be if there was an F monster that you could dip its corpse into water to make drow poison, only if you were a drow
21:41 <Loggers_VIII> destroying the corpse, of course
21:42 <K2> that'd be neat
21:43 <K2> terrapin: i dunno what all hack'em has
21:43 <K2> from what I gather, even though it used evilhack as a base, it's becoming more and more like a modern slash'em
21:44 <K2> which is fine... I just dont know a lot about slash'em
21:44 <Loggers_VIII> it's definitely more slashem than anything else, as far as I've played
21:44 <Loggers_VIII> I have like 2 days a week where I furiously play hackem and then I need to return to evilhack because it's safe and familiar
21:45 <terrapin> yeah I was playing it a little when I was sleep-deprived and not wanting to ruin my evil game and and I had no idea wtf was going on
21:45 <Loggers_VIII> have you played doppelganger
21:45 <Loggers_VIII> it's incredible fun
21:46 <terrapin> i think once? died to a rabbit like 10 turns in, i believe
21:46 <Loggers_VIII> it's insanely broken
21:46 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/2b8c15da6732...3a8fbb0bec12
21:46 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 3a8fbb0 - Fix: silence warning during windows build from last commit.
21:46 <Loggers_VIII> you can poly into any monster you want at any level
21:47 <Loggers_VIII> all you need is 20 pw
21:47 <terrapin> wow that's crazy
21:48 <Loggers_VIII> I've also been told that yeoman centaur is a relatively overpowered combo
21:48 <Loggers_VIII> cuz their first gift is a polearm with +20 to damage
21:51 <terrapin> you made me curious about the whole "+X vs. +1dX" terminology so I was just checking and holy crap, hack'em artifacts really just do flat +X bonus damage; that's insane
21:52 <Loggers_VIII> yeah it was originally a slashem thing
21:52 <Loggers_VIII> ridonkulous
21:53 <Loggers_VIII> on the whole hackem is super overwhelming for me
21:53 <Loggers_VIII> I have to play it in small doses
21:55 <Loggers_VIII> ooh nice found a random +2 steel aklys
21:55 <Loggers_VIII> oh dammit I have to adjust my rcfile again my b/u/c options aren't working for aklyses
21:55 <Loggers_VIII> aklysi?
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22:15 <K2> heh
22:24 <K2> so drow first appeared in 1st edition ad&d's 'Fiend Folio', which I own
22:24 <K2> neat
22:25 <K2> became a playable race in 1985 when 'Unearthed Arcana' came out (I also have this book)
22:25 <Umbire> K2: Remind me what confused stinking cloud does in vanilla?
22:25 <Umbire> and whether or not that was changed for evil
22:25 <K2> i dunno
22:25 <K2> i doubt it
22:25 <Umbire> or anyone who knows really
22:25 <K2> why dont you test it and see?
22:26 <K2> you know how to compile a local copy of whichever game right?
22:26 <Umbire> I already have a local copy, yes
22:26 <Umbire> I was just asking to see if anyone else knew first 
22:27 <terrapin> confused isn't different from unconfused for stinking cloud
22:27 <K2> in unnethack it is
22:27 <K2> there's a wiki entry about it
22:28 <Umbire> yes, which is why I'm asking if that's the case for vanilla
22:28 <Umbire> to update said entry
22:29 <K2> i'm assuming no it isnt, otherwise there wouldnt be a specific entry about that for unnethack
22:29 <K2> the unnethack bit shows what's different from vanilla nethack
22:30 <Umbire> doesn't hurt to double check
22:31 <terrapin> i did
22:31 <Umbire> as did I
22:36 <Umbire> EvilHack YANI: reading a blessed scroll of punishment gives a message that hints at how much you've abused your alignment, if at all
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22:46 <Umbire> K2: set up a template for variant quest monsters
22:47 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Annam to show what it looks like (fleshing out this page soon0
22:47 <Umbire> *)
22:49 <K2> cool
22:52 <Umbire> also soliciting any cave-experts to contribute strategy :B
22:54 <Umbire> K2: https://antifandom.com/forgottenrealms/wiki/Annam_All-Father
22:54 <Umbire> in the event this inspires you to possibly spice him up
22:57 <Umbire> Change to Caveman quest nemesis needs to be noted on Evil article, not sure where though
23:01 <Umbire> othx logs
23:01 <Loggers_X> I tossed it in the "changes to existing roles" section, since that mentions quest Artis as well
23:02 <Loggers_X> ach am I gonna get sucked into the wiki editing rabbit hole tonigh
23:02 <Loggers_X> *tonight
23:04 <Umbire> ~~be nice to have some assistance~~
23:04 <Loggers_X> yea yea I can't resist anyway :)
23:05 <Loggers_X> I'm killing gk first at least though
23:05 <Loggers_X> I want to add a bit on magical breathing for the strategy sections on the cyclops/healer quest articles
23:06 <Loggers_X> and add some to the strategy page of magical breathing amulets
23:06 <Loggers_X> seeing as the devteam doesn't seem to have any intent to change magical breathing as it stands
23:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3393 (0:16:44)
23:08 <Loggers_X> uh oh
23:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Pri Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3402 (0:17:08)
23:09 <Loggers_X> hah
23:09 <Umbire> K2: would you say your version of Annam takes after how hill giants would envision him in "canon"?
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23:25 <Loggers_X> hm
23:26 <Loggers_X> 'Tiamat' redirecting to the chromatic dragon page is a bit annoying
23:26 <K2> Umbire i dont recall, that change is over 2 years old. not much in the commit notes about it
23:26 <Umbire> Loggers_X: how so
23:27 <Umbire> K2: ah, so I'd just be speculating then
23:27 <Loggers_X> because why should vanilla's monster get to hog the true tiamat
23:27 <Umbire> I mean 
23:27 <Loggers_X> *tiamat's link >:(
23:27 <Umbire> vanilla monster is Tiamat, in all but name
23:28 <Umbire> I did have it slated for some proper formatting before I did something like splitting it by variant or w/e
23:28 <Loggers_X> it's just weird to create a page titled 'tiamat (evilhack)' when there is no vanilla tiamat
23:29 <Loggers_X> not that it doesn't make sense, but still
23:29 <Umbire> Not physically splitting the page necessarily
23:29 <Umbire> like, giving it a simpletabs variant section
23:29 <Loggers_X> ah true
23:29 <Umbire> is also an option
23:29 <Umbire> but crossing that bridge once I reach it
23:30 <Umbire> at the moment I'm just trying to flesh out Annam's page with his source material info + traits + strategy
23:33 <Loggers_X> oh my goodness Lucifer still redirects to the cut dnethack enemy
23:33 <Loggers_X> there is much work to do I see
23:35 <Loggers_X> @e?vampire royal
23:35 <Hecubus> vampire royal (V) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 18 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Atk: 2d6 claw physical, 1d10 bite level drain | Align: -9 | genocidable, flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, stalker, infravis, silverhate
23:36 <Loggers_X> @e?kas
23:36 <Hecubus> Kas (V) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 16 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: unique | AC: -5 | Atk: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical, 1d12 bite level drain | Align: -10 | flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, infravis, silverhate
23:38 <Umbire> Step at a time, lad
23:38 <Loggers_X> ja
23:39 <Loggers_X> the world must be hard for people who don't know about monster lookup
23:39 <Umbire> K2, Loggers_X: https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Annam&diff=150582&oldid=150577
23:39 <Umbire> how's that look so far
23:40 <Loggers_X> looks good to me
23:41 <Loggers_X> next would be strategy page I assume
23:41 <Loggers_X> but who even plays caveman
23:46 <Umbire> I literally got past quest with giant caveman in the last couple of weeks
23:46 <Umbire> if not the last week exactly
23:48 <Loggers_X> wait your run you have going right now is cav?
23:48 <Loggers_X> I had no idea
23:49 <Umbire> No the one I threw on Kathryn was
23:49 <Umbire> current is Giant barb
23:50 <K2> The giant spider entangles you in a web, but you easily disentangle yourself.
23:50 <Loggers_X> ah
23:50 <K2> ^ drow
23:50 <Umbire> Yay
23:50 <Loggers_X> oh my goodness that is actually the best drow feature
23:50 <Loggers_X> fkn HATE those webs
23:50 <terrapin> rejoice!
23:51 <Umbire> I wonder if you could make the drow poison potions similar to potions of sickness
23:51 <Umbire> i.e. can combine with fruit juice to make more, particularly
23:51 <Loggers_X> well of course he could, the question is whether or not he would :)
23:52 <Umbire> 🗞
23:52 <Umbire> also I legitimately forgot
23:52 <Umbire> the Sceptre needs to be wielded for MR right?
23:52 <K2> but wait, there's more
23:52 <K2> You remove the webbing from the dwarf lady.  The dwarf lady is grateful.
23:52 <Loggers_X> I say we turn nethack into a farming sim where you grow and harvest your own fungi
23:52 <Loggers_X> 100% untrap chance??
23:53 <Loggers_X> umbire yes you need to wield it
23:54 <Umbire> And Annam isn't gonna wield it since no weapon attacks
23:54 <Umbire> right K2?
23:54 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/3a8fbb0bec12...813cb088ba49
23:54 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 813cb08 - Allow Drow to move through webs like spiders can.
23:55 <K2> ^ read
23:56 <Loggers_X> damn, monster drow are unaffected
23:56 <Loggers_X> there goes all my spider-web intensive plans
23:56 <Loggers_X> damn you k2!!!!
23:56 <K2> aww
23:56 <K2> :P
23:58 <Loggers_X> I did unironically use spider webs to block all the corridor entrances into a stash room once
23:58 <Loggers_X> was kind of funny