00:00 I'll try to find a dumplog where someone probes him, just a sec 00:00 !lastgame loggers 00:00 Loggers_X: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1681526753.evil.html 00:02 Just probed in wizmode, and his AC is -10 00:03 yeah I just found the same thing here https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1671486544.evil.html 00:06 oh, I forgot to mention, blind yourself when you fight vecna 00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7624 (1:04:54) 00:06 he's got a gaze attack that works like the touch of death and it'll drain your HP if you forget 00:07 Kind of like C'thulu from dnethack. But I think his drains wisdom 00:08 iirc his drains wisdom permanently or something silly like that 00:08 Quite problematic 00:09 I haven't played dnethack before, but I am a gigantic nerd so I read the wiki articles on it sometimes 00:09 have you tried it? 00:10 Not yet. I'm kind of the same 00:11 Makes me want to though. Suppose if I can beat Evilhack reliably, there's no variant that poses more of a challenge 00:11 yea 00:11 top brb 00:11 *oop 00:12 If I had to guess, lucifer's AC is boosted from him casting protection. You could cancel that away and probably have a solid chance of disintegrating him before he gets it back 00:13 I've tested it in wizmode just now. At level 25 with no rings or any silly accuracy boosts, he is disintegrated each time you use breath 00:13 Either from the initial hit, or the bounce 00:14 I don't forsee him living longer than 2 turns against a level 25 black dragon 00:15 You may even be able to preserve the polyselfless conduct, by bringing along a pet black dragon. I think that will get the job done almost as well 00:16 -!- Loggers_X has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:16 that's pretty neat 00:17 Yeah. I think he needs disint resistance to be a viable threat 00:18 Maybe replacing his withering attack with something less problematic, would be a fair compromise 00:20 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:9156 (1:18:48) 00:21 -!- Loggers_X has joined #evilhack 00:21 ok am back 00:21 or maybe a shield of reflection. he is a fallen angel, after all. and the SoA instakill strat can be decently interesting 00:22 that was insane, some coyotes tried to get my sandwich 00:22 That would help his AC too 00:22 oh hi terrapin o/ 00:22 Sounds scary Loggers_X 00:22 o/ 00:22 imanity nah they're cowardly little guys 00:23 some idiot must have been feeding them 00:23 Like ducks I guess xD 00:24 Black dragon strat for Lucifer works at lvl 25 btw Loggers_X When bounced off a wall in wizmode, either the intial hit or rebound hit him 00:25 makes sense 00:25 I like terrapin's idea 00:25 That would make sense 00:27 not necessarily related to lucifer in particular, but speaking of shields---it would be great if monsters could wear shield of mobility and get free action. now *that* would be an Evil boss fight 00:27 oh no 00:27 I agree. Too many monsters can be trivialised by hitting them with a potion of paralysis 00:27 k2 if you are reading this in logs you saw nothing 00:28 xD 00:28 haha 00:28 "trivialized" more like "made bearable" 00:28 If we're talking about trivializing bosses boulder forts are the biggest issue 00:28 that's true 00:29 Yeah 00:29 Maybe adding a force bolt into their arsenal, which is used if there's a boulder in their way 00:30 hm 00:30 the last two times I fought graz'zt he had a wand of striking, that was scary 00:30 but the boulder fort still gives an advantage 00:30 How did you deal with him? 00:30 zapped a wand of cancellation and prayed 00:31 then I beheaded him/oneshot him with demonbane :) 00:31 Oh I saw that bug 00:31 When scrolling through commits 00:31 yeah I'm sad about it :( 00:32 while we're on the topic of graz'zt, his AI is a bit weird, innit 00:32 How does he act? 00:32 even after he's cancelled he teleports away as if he's stolen something 00:33 it unironically makes him a lot more dangerous 00:33 A lot more chasing to do 00:33 because he can just teleport next to you, slash you a bunch, and teleport away 00:33 it's essentially a dice roll on whether or not you are allowed to do damage 00:34 and while I like that he's still dangerous after he's cancelled, it feels like a bug 00:35 I think it should become a feature 00:36 it does sorta feel buggy, but it seems pretty intentional from the code. it explicitly allows him to teleport when cancelled, just a bit less often 00:36 I think it makes for a unique experience, even if it can be super frustrating 00:36 yeah, it is intentional 00:36 and sort of fun 00:36 The main thing which makes him such a problem in the first place is gone when cancelled, yet cancellation isn't an instant win button 00:36 but its weeiirddd 00:37 I noticed demon lords come at you all slender man style too. When quaffing a cursed potion of invisibility on the stairs 00:37 They move in leaps of 10 across the map 00:37 yeah that's a change to covetous movement I like 00:38 builds a bit of tension and allows for more strategy 00:38 Gives you more time to prepare I guess 00:38 unless it's vlad 00:38 If they're woken unexpectedly 00:38 vlad is so fecking fast he practically warps right to you 00:38 @e?vlad 00:38 vlad ~3~ flind (h) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical, 1d4 bite physical | Align: -10 | genocidable, omnivore, infravis 00:38 @e?vlad the impaler 00:38 Vlad the Impaler (V) | Lvl: 28 | Diff: 32 | Spd: 26 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: unique | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d10 weapon physical, 1d12 bite level drain, 3d6 cast spell | Align: -10 | flies, breathless, regen, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis, silverhate 00:39 26 speed is quite fast 00:39 Almost as much as air elemental 00:40 Guess he doesn't need to be drain resistant, due to his weapon. Still weird to see 00:41 he is drain resistant 00:41 res: sleep poison drain 00:41 Oh I read that poison drain as one word 00:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:12525 (6:00:19) 00:42 Makes sense 00:43 -!- arahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 00:48 oh yeah, time for my favorite part of the run 00:48 Sokoban with Shitty Connection 00:48 I will not misclick this time 00:52 Blegh. Gold amulet of MR. 00:52 ew 00:53 I'm always annoyed when I don't get amulet of reflection as monk 00:58 -!- arahaelWeb has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 01:00 -!- arahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 01:00 Loggers_X:  I have amulet of reflection. But it's gold. 01:01 heh, "your robe deflects the brown pudding's attack". weird 01:01 I'm thinking of wishing up the Dragonbane now. 01:01 arahaelWeb: ah, unfortunate 01:01 But next wish...  Difficult.  Not sure I can cope with the artefact blasts yet. 01:01 HP 85, I might be OK. 01:01 if you're playing monk you might as well save your guaranteed artiwish for grayswandir to make GoPur 01:02 2d10 with MR, at worst, right? 01:02 yes 01:02 Yeah, I do now at least have MR. 01:02 "grayswandir to make GoPur" <-- Not familiar with that...  Hmm.  What's GoPur? 01:02 the gauntlets of purity 01:02 you can make them by forging grayswandir and dragon bane together 01:02 they're awesome 01:02 Ah, I'm neutral. 01:03 yeah I saw 01:03 Woah, that does seem good.  Might make it worth playing lawful. 01:03 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:14863 (2:02:11) 01:04 you can get dragon bane gifted to you, so I usually save a wish for grayswandir as monk 01:04 I always play chaotic 01:05 Hmm, I thought grays was lawful, and thus, not available? 01:06 you can still wish for artifacts not of your alignment 01:06 but they will blast you 01:06 Hmm. 01:06 oh, and on the subject of blasting, if you do end up wishing for dragon bane, it won't blast 01:06 since it's unaligned 01:06 Ah, good.  I was thinking of wishing for EotA. 01:07 any reason in particular? or just because of the PW bonuses 01:08 well, I guess that's a reason in particular, now that I think about it :P 01:08 I tend to use spells as my main ranged weapon as monk. 01:08 Also, I find it invaluable as a means of escape. 01:08 It's just a really good combination. 01:08 true 01:09 at the end of the day, EotA might be the best for your situation 01:09 you can sac for dragonbane later and GoPur isn't strictly necessary 01:10 Yeah, I usually play weaponless, but I'm wondering if I should use Cleaver in this game since I've had that gifted. 01:10 nah 01:10 martial arts is super good in evil 01:11 I have two wishes before I do the quest, so that's why I'm thinking gloves, and the eye. 01:11 Assuming the lamps cooperate.... 01:11 do you know about the artiwish changes in evil? 01:11 Yes, but I've been out of the loop - there's been no changes in like, the past year, has there? 01:11 nah 01:12 I find the gloves absolutely required. 01:12 And the eye is super good, too. 01:12 Annoyed that MR is gold, but... Once I get the quest done then I've got MR from those eyes. 01:13 true 01:13 did you die in the monk quest the other day or was that someone else? 01:13 So thinking of gloves first, then eye. 01:13 Yeah, that was me.  I got freaking paralysed by the Corn. 01:13 *Xorn. 01:13 ah 01:14 pretty ballsy, going to the monk quest with that HP and AC 01:14 admittedly, I've been doing the same thing lately 01:14 I often do, that HP and AC isn't too bad as long as you don't actually fight the nemesis at that point or that final level at all. 01:14 And I was hoping for some good loot. 01:15 I'd have been fine if the Xorn didn't like, use the same strategy I use against the nemesis... 01:15 ah I thought you were actually going for Kaen lol 01:15 No way, not yet. 01:16 Though I've done that too.;)   But usually only if I'm very fortunate, like, with a wand of death or something. 01:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:4866 (1:31:14) 01:16 Hmm, so the artiwishes...  Thinking I should go with gloves even though that's a wished for artifact and means slightly less chance of getting the eye next. 01:17 Because I don't think I'd survive the eye if it comes with the owner. 01:17 I think the chance of getting the eye is like 1/3 after wishing for the gloves 01:17 Oh, that's lower than I thought. 01:17 so you might want to save it until you get the WoW, if you don't like those odds 01:17 Yeah, I don't like those odds. 01:18 yeah I've blown tons of wishes trying to get a second artifact 01:18 But...  WoW is after dragons. 01:18 very very true 01:18 which is why dragon bane is the new best play here 01:18 well I guess it was the old best play too 01:19 Perhaps I should wish for gloves, then, and leave EotA until the WoW.  And in the mean time, wish up something else, like...  I dunno... I get very indecisive with wishes. 01:20 I should get a dragon hide something. 01:21 you could get silver kicking boots 01:21 although I guess that's not immediately helpful 01:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22 Or speed.:D   I never know if I should go for speed boots or helm.  I know the popular thing is cloth helm of oilskin or something. But that's mostly good after the castle and I've a long way until then. 01:22 And yeah, likewise, silver kicking boots is better later. 01:22 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:23 the oilskin helm is popular but, between you and me, an unnecessary extravagance 01:23 Right.  Speed and AC is more important. 01:23 I haven't found a priest yet either. 01:23 unfortunate. did you get orctown? 01:24 Yep 01:24 That orctown had 5 lamps, though, two of which turned out to be magic lamps. 01:24 well at least orctown is awesome 01:24 but the lack of priest is unfortunate 01:24 Yep. 01:24 I don't mind evil hack's orctown.  Vanilla's orctown, on the other hand...  *sigh*. 01:25 I think I'm going for the gloves. Good AC, reflection, and the dragons don't like it so will be super useful later.  Even though I have GoD already. 01:25 I don't really seem to appreciate GoD... 01:26 does anybody? 01:26 Heh. 01:26 dex is extra AC, so I guess there's that... 01:26 but compared to dragonbane it sucks 01:27 It's a burnt +1, though. 01:27 heh 01:27 yeah wish for dragonbane it's op as hell 01:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonbane", on T:12535 (6:46:02) 01:27 Well, that was... Uneventful. 01:28 No owner, or anything.  I'm a little disappointed. :D 01:28 Owners have loads of loot. 01:28 yeah 01:28 Woooo! Just got an extra 7 units of AC. 01:29 Hmm, so next thing, I guess. 01:29 Thinking speed. 01:29 Probably helm of speed. 01:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an amulet of reflection on an altar, on T:5843 (1:44:26) 01:30 can't go wrong with a dragonhide helm of speed 01:30 wonder how many times I wished for that one 01:35 -!- arahaelWeb has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 01:36 ooh boy I have come into possession of two magic lamps 01:37 no way to bless them of course, but exciting nonetheless 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 70857 points, T:19971, killed by a troll 01:38 -!- arahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 01:38 webchat is a PITA! :D 01:39 lol 01:39 -!- Loggers_X76 has joined #evilhack 01:40 that disconnect was so fucking topical 01:40 > "Thank you for freeing me!" 01:40 Blegh. 01:40 So I just have the gloves.  Which is pretty darn good as it is. 01:41 WHAT DO YOU MEAN "Nickname Loggers_X is already in use."?? No it isn't you nightmare website 01:41 arahael yeah 01:41 Heh. 01:41 Ok, I need to head back, so will disconnect again. 01:41 k 01:41 I need to establish a new name 01:41 -!- Loggers_X76 has quit [Client Quit] 01:42 -!- Loggers_Twin has joined #evilhack 01:44 -!- Loggers_X has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:44 I wasn't even here how could I leave 01:46 -!- arahaelWeb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:50 It's "already in use" because your old connection hasn't fully terminated 01:50 the /GHOST command is usually what you want for that 01:52 ah 01:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided black dragons, on T:8301 (2:13:36) 02:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof wand of undead turning", on T:86421 (1 day, 5:20:21) 02:04 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:06 -!- arahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 02:07 *sigh*, post163's ghost. :) 02:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Nightsorrow the human mummy, and former Ninja, on T:12818 (7:26:57) 02:09 Who has an amulet of MR that isn't made of gold! 02:09 that's weird I wonder why janis wished for a wand of undead turning 02:11 oh dammit I didn't get Elron's bones 02:11 was really hoping for that one 02:11 it was level 20, right? !lastgame elron 02:11 !lastgame elron 02:11 Loggers_Twin: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elron/evilhack/dumplog/1681578287.evil.html 02:12 ach yeah 02:12 cmon game I'm entitled to a free win every now and again 02:12 Heh. 02:13 wishing for a wand he's probably found 2-3 of minimum by this point 02:14 yeah I don't get it 02:15 he probably did it to revive his pegasus 02:17 haha what the hell he's actually using a stack of +6 spears as missiles 02:17 janis has earned a lot of my respect in these past few minutes 02:17 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide helm of speed", on T:13618 (7:35:57) 02:18 where'd that wish come from arahaelweb? lamp? 02:22 -!- arahaelWeb has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 02:22 -!- arahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 02:23 Loggers_Twin: Throne. 02:24 hah, lucky 02:24 Extremely. 02:24 But gave me only one unit of AC. 02:24 (Because I am too heavy. I badly need to sort out my crap now.) 02:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:11199 (2:38:32) 02:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:11205 (2:39:07) 02:26 NOW we are cooking with fulminated mercury 02:28 oh I am an IDIOT 02:28 I wrote genocide before charging >:( 02:32 Heh. 02:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:88809 (1 day, 5:50:24) 02:36 Oops, I accepted the quest...  :D 02:36 I guess monster gen is going to be 2x now. 02:37 heh 02:38 More loot, I guess! 02:40 well I asked janis why he wished for a wand of UT and he says his pegasus did indeed die, and since he hadn't found a wand of UT yet that's why he wished for it. I was on the money :) 02:41 Damn energy vortexes.  Now I have only 26 Pw. 02:41 aw :( 02:42 they should give you power imo 02:42 like from the exploding magic trap 02:42 I agree. They should give power if you melee it. 02:43 hm 02:44 do I have the audacity to attempt the monk quest before the castle? 02:44 the answer is of course I do, who the hell do you think I am :P 02:45 I always do. 02:45 Hmm.  No scroll of earth this time. 02:46 I think I'll turn master Kaen into a jackal or something 02:46 he's only got 10 MR 02:47 That's my usual strategy. 02:47 but wouldn't it be cool if I could just melee him 02:47 the cool factor is alluring and suicidal 02:48 I've done that too! 02:48 Last resort, though, I've had him take 200 hp off in one round. 02:48 Not 200, 100. 02:48 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 02:49 yeah he can do that easily 02:49 iirc his max damage is somewhere in the ballpark of 120 02:49 and that's in vanilla too 02:49 Yep. 02:49 You don't really want to melee him. 02:50 Hmm, no scroll of earth. :( 02:50 heh found the first scroll of ID this run 02:50 that's rough 02:50 you could always just do the castle 02:51 I'm tempted to write one. 02:52 they're super cheap to write just do it 02:52 they're so cheap I filled in all the water squares on medusa once just because I could write that many scrolls 02:52 Magic markers are so super rare, though. 02:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:53 it's a 4-7 ink value that's nothing 02:53 and you can always wish for them 02:54 What I really need is to identify my crap, and convert the quest altar. 02:54 Altar converted! 02:55 Horned devil of Moloch killed.  Too easy. 02:55 nice! 02:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:14297 (3:08:55) 02:56 My single potion of water is nearly holy water now! 02:56 Now I has 3 blessed scrolls of id! 02:57 heh that's unlucky water numbers 02:57 I had 22 potions of water when I converted that altar 02:58 heh Kaen got turned into a large dog 02:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:15002 (3:12:05) 02:59 *sigh*.  None of the three id's - 5 so far in the game - identified everything. :( 02:59 :( 02:59 My kicking boots are glass, though, curiously enough. 02:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:90656 (1 day, 6:17:30) 03:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:15670 (3:14:00) 03:00 wait, really? 03:00 he didn't ask for them back? 03:00 nice 03:01 also weird about your boots 03:01 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:01 well, whatever. I'm going to bed because I am a healthy and responsible member of society 03:01 Why would he ask for them back? Did you do bad things? 03:01 And ha.  5pm over here. 03:02 I totally fuck up my alignment every time as monk, out of the maybe 7-8 times I've done monk quest in evil he's asked for them back once 03:02 twice now 03:02 ha, 2am over here 03:02 Janis was continually complaining about his alignment record 03:03 Ah, I always do my best to be a good upstanding citizen of mine town until I complete the quest. Then it's murder time. 03:03 oh Loggers completed the quest :-) 03:03 yes :) 03:03 nice work! 03:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Master Po, on T:15678 (3:17:55) 03:04 I'm not tough enough for Kaen, I can only *safely* kill one, maybe two elementals right now. 03:04 heehee 03:04 fuck you po 03:04 mobileuser the magic has reentered my brain after many days of sucking at this game 03:05 \o/ 03:05 Heh. For me, that's not days. That's years. Decades. 03:06 pff 03:06 and now I really am going to bed, night all o/ 03:06 expect me back in 4 hours or so :P 03:06 -!- Loggers_Twin has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:09 Hmm, on the other hand.  What if I just do it. 03:10 What's the best way to regain max Pw? Mine is still crazy low. 03:16 Blegh: > You hear a ripping sound. 03:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:16869 (8:35:06) 03:17 quaffing blessed gain energy helps to get more Pw 03:18 I think I'll have to do that.  Bless them all and quaff them all. 03:18 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:17140 (8:37:10) 03:19 \o/ 03:19 No robe, though.:( 03:20 can you wish for eye of aethiopica? 03:20 No WoW yet. 03:20 And no other wishes left. 03:20 But what does the eye do there? I thought it only refils it. But I want to boost the *max* Pw. 03:21 yeah for boosting the max you need gain energy (and getting more experience levels) 03:21 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:22 but energy regeneration is extremely nice... 03:22 It is, I intend to wish for it when I can. 03:35 -!- arahaelWeb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:39 -!- arahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 04:43 -!- arahaelWeb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:54 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:58 -!- arahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 05:03 -!- arahaelWeb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:19 -!- arahaelWeb has joined #evilhack 05:30 -!- arahaelWeb has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:35 I have 17 Pw. :( 05:35 For clarification: Pw:5(17) 05:42 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 05:48 Found random mithril kicking boots. 05:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Set, on T:15854 (10:14:40) 05:58 Was due for a pair actually 06:03 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:08 My status does not indicate that I'm burdened. :( 06:08 > Inventory: 935/925 weight (49/52 slots) 06:08 > │Dlvl:5 $:277 HP:91(91) Pw:27(27) AC:-8 MC:2 TH:37 Xp:13 T:20486 5d:04h Satiated │ 06:08 Bug? 06:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:20539 (9:29:50) 06:13 Or it just doesn't fit on the curses window. 06:14 Shouldnt it have a truncated display? 06:20 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:25 Oh neat, warning gloves. 06:27 *sigh*. 7 identify scrolls. And none identifeid everything. I swear, once I do the castle, I'm simply going to wish up a spellbook of identify. 06:35 Man, if Master Po doesn't shut up, I might just kill him. 06:39 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest853 06:39 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:40 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 06:43 -!- Guest853 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:08 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 07:26 Only priest in the game before the castle is going to be the ice queen's priest. :( 07:30 oof, sucks when that happens 07:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed eye of the Aethiopica", on T:24578 (10:55:11) 07:35 > For a moment, you feel something in your hands, but it disappears! 07:35 Damn. 08:02 Is Medusa never going to die of reflection? 08:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:27052 (11:23:28) 08:04 About bloody time. 08:06 Woah. Found a priest just before the castle, after medusa. 08:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:24 turn 16000 and no blindfold or towel... 08:25 cmon game this is silly 08:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:28525 (11:49:04) 08:29 ....and?? 08:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "The Blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:28526 (11:49:31) 08:30 ...........and?? 08:30 ouch ;-) 08:30 It came with the owner. And the stupid owner wished for a potion. 08:30 nah, i frequently have to use 5 wishes for 2nd artifact :-) 08:30 Which, as it seems, was for a cursed potion of gain level. 08:31 smart thinking by the owner 08:31 heh 08:31 that's a good wish 08:31 why do they never wish for TWO potions :-) 08:32 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Neferet the Green, on T:28672 (11:51:38) 08:32 hai 08:32 hi k2 08:34 i want a monster to wish for an artifact that comes with its artifact owner 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided orange dragons, on T:17104 (3:31:11) 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:17199 (3:32:14) 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "grayswandir", on T:17200 (3:32:19) 08:35 ah fuckkkkk 08:35 krm26 always looking for infinite regressions 08:35 "unfortunately, nothing happens" 08:35 forgot about that 08:35 i am fine with large finite regressions 08:36 luck in the toilette? 08:36 yeah 08:36 I killed master po 08:36 I'm just going to pretend like the wand was (0:2) 08:36 Hmm, what monster should I genocide. 08:36 (Throne) 08:37 I'm seriously tempted to geno energy vortexes. 08:37 green slime is always good if you don't have any other ideas 08:37 antimatter vortex 08:37 I thought you completed the quest without incident Loggers_VIII ? 08:37 yeah I did 08:37 om my 08:37 Loggers_VIII: Woah. Never come across those, but I don't think I want to! 08:37 no you do not 08:37 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (antimatter vortices), on T:28923 (11:57:17) 08:37 monks don't care about antimatter vortices, just magic missile em when you are 30 08:38 There's a fair while before I'm 30. 08:38 you're not gonna see many before your ascension run 08:38 unless unlucky polytrap etc 08:39 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "silver kicking boots", on T:18139 (3:39:14) 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18139 (3:39:18) 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18140 (3:39:22) 08:42 I guess now I should save the game and then do the ice queen. 08:42 father of ice queen would like to have a word 08:42 Oh, wait, no, I should start filling up the soko stash, and find all the spellbooks I've scattered everywhere. 08:43 K2: She's too spoilt. 08:44 heh 08:44 damn krm26, how'd you get rings of free action, slow digestion and lev already?? 08:44 that's like the dream combo 08:45 [backscroll] monsters being able to utilize free action would be neat 08:45 oh he saw 08:45 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:49 Hmm, Gollumn's cave is called "Goblin town"? 08:50 Oh, I see how that works. It's the Goblin Town branch. 08:52 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:53 monster free action is a cool idea though 08:53 I'd have to stop just hitting lucifer with a potion of paralysis for a free win 08:53 well, "free win". he still kills me half the time 08:56 Loggers, wiz, started with free action, found my own wizard bones which had cursed slow digestion :-) 08:57 Damn, the spellbook of cancellation is dangerious as all heck. 08:57 lucky :) 08:57 i've ben scumming wizards for a decent ring or spell so it was decent odds 08:57 Read it. It stunned me. 08:57 And summoned Tralq the enchantress. 08:57 I didn't know it could summon stuff 08:57 reading spellbooks can summon an npc? i didn't know that 08:58 (you shouldn't be reading high-level books like that without blessing them) 08:58 krm26: I figured it was safe. I mean, I was in soko. 08:58 This has been a low-water game. 08:59 what use do you have for cancellation even 08:59 leave it until later then -- you can also lose the book. you won't be casting the spell anyway 08:59 until much later in the game 08:59 cancellation is great 08:59 Loggers_VIII: Cancel monsters. 08:59 huh 08:59 uncurse & blank & waterize a big stack of goo, cancel particularly nasty enemies 09:00 I oughta try it out more sometime 09:00 look up the list of cancellable abilities in the wiki, it will make you drool 09:00 I wonder what I should wish for. 09:00 neutral monk? gjallar :-) 09:01 heh 09:01 what's the odds on third artiwish? 09:01 for me? 0%. for other people not bad 09:01 krm26: Tempting, but yes, it'd be the third artiwish. Don't want to burn all my remaining wishes on the possibility of getting that. 09:02 so you are wearing GoPurity? 09:02 I still say grayswandir>EotA for monk 09:02 krm26: No, I went for EotA. 09:02 strong boo but ok 09:02 first was dragonbane iirc 09:03 It was. 09:03 GoPurity > gjallar > eye, pyec 09:03 dragonhide your other stuff then 09:04 Yes, I'm thinking of doing the ddragonhide thing. Dragonhide tshirt of decay, dragonhide robe... 09:04 I was tempted to wish up a spellbook of id, but the 9th scroll of id finally identified the inventory. 09:04 as a monk you might want dragonhide helm of speed and dragonhide kicking boots 09:05 silver! kicking boots 09:05 I have dragonhide helm of speed already - and mithril kicking boots. (Randomly found, that) 09:05 yeaaaah but it is soooo heavvyyyy logggers 09:05 silence you pack rat 09:05 I do not yet have BoH. But Ice Queen is there. 09:05 is drain resistance like the only resist monks dont get by 30? 09:05 it's a heavy d20 of extra damage to major demons and other assorted silver haters 09:06 yes 09:06 and magic, I guess 09:06 i've stopped being so interested in drain resistance this past year...i try to stay at 15-20 and then slam a huge stack of gain level when it is amulet time 09:07 i've been sensitized to unkillable level 30 @npcs 09:11 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15 Is Cleaver worth using as a monk? 09:16 not in my opinion, no 09:16 better off using a broadsword or a quaterstaff 09:16 are there ANY weapons worth using as a monk 09:16 *quarterstaff 09:16 yeah, shuriken 09:16 touche 09:16 :P 09:17 all i can focus on running a monk is making a stack of 100 silver shuriken 09:17 then i end up killing everything with magic missile 09:19 Oh, that reminds me, I still haven't come across magic missile. 09:21 i usually polypile for spellbooks rather than wish 09:21 ^ 09:21 I don't intend to wish for magic missile, but polypiling is a good idea, not doing that today though. 09:22 (On account of it being 11pm) 09:23 at some point i want to split monk into 2 sub-classes: weaponless (traditional) monk, and weapons monk. depending on which you pick at game start would determine starting inventory and such 09:23 not sure how to go about doing that though 09:25 that sounds great 09:25 i can't remember the last time i purposely used a weapon 09:26 would the weaponless monks then not get weapons from sacrifice? 09:26 -!- lacca[m] is now known as laccaOld[m] 09:27 yeah if you preserve weaponless conduct, no sac weapons 09:28 wow didnt know evilhack did that and that is truely amazing 09:28 think that is vanilla? 09:28 only non awesome thing would be not getting grayswandir 09:28 oh 09:28 no clue tbh 09:28 a conduct thing 09:28 I barely sacrifice things in vanilla on weaponless monks 09:29 get confirmation, i only tangentially pay attention to that. i can't preserve weaponless conduct to save my life, always pickaxing something by mistake 09:29 no vanilla doesnt do that 09:29 pretty much only for holy water and getting crowned for resistances 09:29 thx for the correction k2 09:29 in vanilla, you get artifacts for saccing, thats it 09:29 also dragonbane is a sword in vanilla 09:29 if you preserve weaponless as a monk, no regular weapons via saccing except shurikens 09:30 and you could still get an artifact 09:30 K2: Weapon monk could start with shuriken, but have a max cap of like, 20 or maybe 30 Pw. 09:30 i dunno if i i'd want to mess with their spellcasting 09:30 i'd have to learn how to even be able to pull it off first heh 09:31 :) 09:31 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:35 heh, "the abominable snowman turns into a small mimic" 09:36 wands of polymorph are my new favorite thing 09:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide tshirt of decay", on T:30052 (12:55:35) 09:39 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:42 Ok, this is wild. I've now randomly found TWO potential wands of death in soko. 09:44 jeez 09:44 give me one of those 09:45 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:45 Nup. Also have two wands of poly, but they are potentially cancelled. 09:45 G'night. 09:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:20384 (4:13:28) 09:46 night arahael 09:51 oh hell yea kathryn had a marker :) 09:52 everything's coming up milhouse 09:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) had a staff of healing entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:96507 (1 day, 8:00:05) 09:56 !whereis terrapin 09:56 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] terrapin [evil]: (Arc Trt Fem Law) T:10443 The Dungeons of Doom level: 7 09:57 wonder if terrapin will get the first tortle arc 09:58 one tortle every year is enough for me 09:59 i've already blown some really promising runs---wand of death+blessed magical +1 silver crossbow bolts by minetown, for instance 09:59 I unironically think tortles are the most fun race 09:59 so, all signs point to no 09:59 it has been pretty fun, though, yeah 10:00 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 10:00 you're too modest 10:01 you're literally called terrapin :P 10:01 it's in my blood! 10:11 i just hate finding all sorts of useless nice magical armor 10:11 giants are bad enough (and tortles get nothing to compare with bouldering and dual-2h to make up for it) 10:12 you mean you don't fully appreciate the wooden gauntlets of drain resistance? 10:12 or the leather armor of warning? 10:12 when k2 releases the sahaugin mines i'll tortle again 10:12 Ikr. So many times I think this piece would be perfect on another char 10:20 the what mines? 10:20 the underwater stuff you're planning 10:20 oh 10:20 right 10:20 the octopuses garden 10:20 the septic tank 10:21 that may need to wait for 3.7 port over. the things you can do in lua would make that branch easier to do right 10:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:98683 (1 day, 8:28:51) 10:32 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 10:45 -!- Imanity has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:03 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:21808 (4:26:13) 11:05 theory: the oracle never sees you coming with her warning because she's too busy trying to wrest a wish from the 8-ball 11:09 hah, ashwood staffs can be made of iron. probably not something you'd ever see in normal play though 11:09 lol 11:09 time to wish for an iron ashwood staff 11:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:27673 (4:45:22) 11:23 you know, out of all the useless weapons, that one was the least useless 11:34 yeah i wish i wasn't gonna have to waste a wish on it 11:35 hrm 11:35 lol 11:35 iron ashwood staff 11:35 petrified! 11:36 as opposed to the ash ironwood staff 11:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:33744 (4:58:58) 11:38 The hill orc puts on an uncursed ring of free action (3 aum). The bottle crashes on the hill orc's head and breaks into shards. The potion of paralysis evaporates. The hill orc stiffens momentarily. 11:38 :D 11:38 Yay!/Oh no! 11:39 xD 11:39 muhahahha 11:39 this was not difficult to implement 11:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:34808 (5:06:45) 11:46 oh noooo 11:47 so which bosses are going to have shields of mobility now? :P 11:47 hah 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "iron ashwood staff", on T:35211 (5:09:52) 11:48 heehee 11:48 throne wish 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:35284 (5:10:56) 11:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] SeamusMcRed (Val Gia Fem Neu), 13123 points, T:7334, killed by a panther, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:69216 (1 day, 18:37:48) 11:57 One fireball is all it took 11:57 xD 12:01 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±11] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/65f080a5177d...5e51236971d3 12:01 [EvilHack] k21971 5e51236 - Monsters can utilize free action. 12:01 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:03 Around how many hits should a sword of Kas take to kill Vecna? 12:03 I don't wanna get my entire inventory cursed 12:04 Don't unless you unlocked 2h skill somehow 12:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:04 I dont think wizards can even use 2h at basic :/ 12:05 yeah 12:05 Magic missile is pretty good at dispatching vecna 12:05 Will try that 12:05 at basic it's 6-7 hits usually for a +6 sword of kas, I finnd 12:07 @e?vecna 12:07 Vecna (L) | Lvl: 99 | Diff: 50 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: unique | AC: -10 | Atk: 8d6 touch cold, 6d6 touch wither, 3d4 gaze Death, 4d6 cast spell, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, breathless, regen, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous 12:07 he could always cast reflection 12:07 All these Alhoons and master+arch liches have drained 20 hp and I'm not even off the stairs lol 12:07 ja it's rough 12:08 I think some nurse dancing will be in order afterwards 12:08 what's your MHP currently? 12:08 199 12:08 have you faced Orcus yet? 12:08 Not yet. Will boulder fort him 12:08 Come to think of it that's what I should be doing here 12:09 Even against some lowly alhoons and liches 12:09 cursed invis doesn't work on vecna btw 12:09 Can he warp to you? 12:09 yes 12:09 but it just won't wake him 12:09 Damn so no outrunning to the stairs 12:09 you have to use an earthquake 12:09 Ooh i found one of those last playsession 12:09 gjallar! 12:09 it wakes him, but he waits for you, like the goblin king and kathryn 12:10 he didn't do that the last two times I used a drum 12:10 just warped on oever 12:10 *over 12:10 gjallar is the lazy vecna tool of choice 12:11 you could also just use a drum 12:11 oh i was referring to see invis. I am a bit surprise a drum works though 12:11 yeah I'm not sure if it's intended? 12:11 idk 12:11 Suppose have nothing to lose. Have flying so a few potholes on the level are no problem 12:11 also don't kill vecna over lava 12:11 I've done that three times and lost my gift every time :P 12:12 Same effect as disintegrating ig 12:12 no, it's a bug 12:12 Oh 12:12 the drops are lava immune but they just don't drop if you kill him over liquid spaces I guess 12:12 Yeah 12:14 The alhoons and master liches have teleport control, that's annoying 12:15 they respect elbereth 12:15 Too late to prepare boulder fort 12:15 I'm going elberethless 12:15 What about scare monster? 12:15 it is never too late to boulder fort 12:15 yeah that works too 12:15 Wouldn't a boulder just drop on their heads until they move? 12:15 scare monster keep them from whacking you a lot but won't stop them drowning you in summoned nasties 12:16 they will move though 12:16 whack em and they'll bounce around 12:16 the arhc-liches and alhoons anyway 12:16 you're a wizard just cast fireball on the space you're occupying and watch the lightshow 12:16 Theyre all fire immune 12:16 wait really?? 12:16 @e?master lich 12:16 master lich (L) | Lvl: 17 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep poison drain | Confer: fire cold | MR: 90 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -4 | Atk: 3d6 touch cold, 0d0 cast spell | Align: -15 | genocidable, breathless, regen, poisonous, covetous 12:16 holy shit I had no idea 12:17 alhoons immune to fire too 12:17 Think magic missile is the only way. Will try boulder fort 12:17 Yep 12:17 you can acid blast em 12:17 It's one of the few spells I don't know 12:18 just engrave elbereth or plop a scroll down then you can read earth and zap em from your safety 12:18 Along with cancellation, and about 6 or 7 useless spells 12:18 alternatively you could just bash their skulls in but hey what do I know 12:18 cancellation+MM is all you ever really need 12:18 Fear I'd get all my HP drained before that happened 12:18 Does cancellation stop them casting spells? 12:19 boulder fort should work - next time the alhoon / lich teleports they'll be outside 12:19 they'll probably resist, so no 12:19 Ye, they just teleported 12:19 but it will end spells of reflection 12:19 True 12:19 boom crisis averted 12:19 toldja -- nothing beats rock 12:20 xD 12:20 there's no paper in the dungeon 12:21 -!- Graznop_ has joined #evilhack 12:21 -!- Graznop has quit [Killed (lead.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:21 -!- Graznop_ is now known as Graznop 12:22 Hmm Vecna is awake from the drum but I lost my boulder fort 12:22 We may have to take a trip to Sokoban 12:23 He follows, right? 12:23 keep your blindfold on 12:23 if you branchport when he's next to you, yeah 12:23 you don't have any more scrolls of earth? 12:23 I have 1 more, but saving it for Orcus 12:23 and there's a 90% chance the boulder will be lost anyway 12:24 yeah I see that situation now 12:24 I think you might have to fight him in melee 12:24 I don't see an easy way to make a fort in that configuration 12:24 could you use spell of cold to freeze the lava, then scroll? 12:24 i haven't looked, but are you sure you can't move off the stairs and lay down a fort? as long as there is a boulder on the stairs too it should work fine 12:25 there's still one tile of lava in the way 12:25 graznop's idea is good try that 12:25 That could work 12:25 Only got about 3 turns max until he's here though 12:25 three moves- diagonal away from stairs, break wand of cold, read scroll 12:25 home free 12:26 as long as you have a marker or something using a scroll shouldn't be an issue 12:26 if there is a boulder on the stairs, not sure you should move away 12:26 Think I have about 30 charges left. Was saving for gold detection, but found quite a few 12:26 being adjacent to vecna isn't that big of a deal, as long as you are protected from his summons on the other sides 12:27 graznop it's fine, shouldn't be an issue 12:27 Problem is, his loot will fall into the lava above and on the left of me 12:27 just remember you gotta be done with scrolling and blinded before he gets there 12:27 Ye 12:27 yes, you will lose his cool item if he dies over lava, don't do that 12:27 or did that patch go live? 12:27 imanity you can zap wands of cold from the safety of your fort to solidify the lava so there's no risk of losing the loot 12:27 krm26 no 12:28 I'm using a patch from a few days ago too 12:28 or snap a wand of cold 12:28 I may be able to cast 2 normal spells of cone of cold, then reboulder the fort back up 12:28 just move diagonally down to the right, zap wand or cold cone down to the left, read your scroll, zap the other lava spaces from a distance 12:29 that could work too 12:29 or one skilled cone of cold, centered on yourself? 12:29 they just did that, it seems too have worked 12:29 *to 12:29 Can't tell until I remove my blindfold 12:29 does search work? 12:30 ^ 12:30 Will try after freezing the last square 12:30 oh my goodness you do not need to cast that many times 12:30 nice it worked 12:30 Pog am safe again 12:30 could pop back upstairs, take blindfold off, get earth out of bag etc... 12:30 Only cast 3 spells. 2 cold for the lava, and one teleport for the vampire bat 12:31 Yeah, think will have to do that 12:31 really all you needed was one cone of cold 12:31 but it's fine vecna's taking his time 12:31 Suppose I could've used an advanced spell at the bat 12:31 before sending him away 12:33 you coulda kept him around 12:33 Could've been a vampire mage 12:34 now kick vecna's ass 12:34 :D 12:34 he's a tanky son of a lich 12:34 Yep, No reflection cast yet 12:35 and he warps to a knight's move away from me too, which sucks 12:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:69506 (1 day, 19:15:40) 12:35 \o/ 12:35 proper boulder placement can take care of that! 12:35 eye or hand? 12:35 eye or hand? inquiring hackers want to know 12:36 25 str is nice for an illithid wizard 12:36 Eye 12:36 doh 12:36 sadge 12:36 lame 12:36 i mean yay! 12:36 now for the stream of genocide updates 12:36 \o/ 12:36 Astral vision is nice I guess. But nothing compared to disease, half physical and hungerless regen 12:37 half spell damage too 12:37 it's nice 12:37 I guess, but already have it from wizard quest arti 12:37 Same with extrinsic telepathy 12:37 until rodney nabs it 12:38 Think the bulk of my strat against Rodney 12:38 Will be to paralyse and leave him stranded on that level 12:38 Now that he's death immune 12:38 only sometimes 12:38 only 50% of the time 12:38 Oh, he can spawn with either cloak of MR or displacement right? 12:38 50% chance of each 12:38 cloak of MR or robe I think 12:39 nice 12:39 "oMR 12:39 Maybe will have to probe 12:39 paralysis seems needlessly risky 12:39 Why? 12:39 With free action you're only frozen for 1 turn 12:39 amulet of mr/guarding, always a robe 12:40 it doesn't last for very long, and luring him over to the stairs is kinda risky 12:40 Suppose so 12:40 idk I think you could just blast him away 12:40 @e?wizard of yendor 12:40 Wizard of Yendor (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison | Confer: fire poison | MR: 100 | Gen: unique | AC: -8 | Atk: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d12 claw amulet steal, 0d0 cast spell, 0d0 cast clerical | Align: -128 | omnivore, flies, breathless, regen, seeinvis, tele, nopoly, covetous, infravis 12:40 as a wizard, you shouldn't have too much trouble killing him 12:40 yeah skilled cone of cold would wreck him 12:41 He's vulernable to cold and acid 12:41 So should be fine 12:41 it's the low damage roles that have more of a problem 12:42 Like healer? 12:42 and priest 12:43 ^ fake news 12:43 priests destroy rodney 12:43 mjollnir ftw 12:43 Oh yeah they get that hammer 12:43 First wish, right? 12:43 *sacrifice gift 12:43 no 12:43 first gift is demonbane 12:43 with robe and mitre you can get cancellation on line, even, and use attack spells 12:43 but when they are crowned they get mjollnir 12:43 Aha 12:44 I never had a problem in the main dungeon, where he warps to the upstairs... 12:44 Always get those mixed up 12:44 ...but on the plains I found he would warp away and heal once down to ~40hp, so needed to be able to do more damage than that 12:45 that's weird behavior, never seen that before 12:45 he will always warp and heal after he's nabbed something from you i think 12:45 admittedly my priest endgame was like 7 minutes of adrenaline so I don't remember much 12:46 When I was fighting the Meph demon lord, he got confused and started warping close to the stairs, but not ever on them 12:46 So that status effect could've affected the wizards behaviour 12:46 I had a couple of deaths to tagged teamed magic resistant Rodney on the plains, before new plan... 12:48 ah yes, double trouble 12:49 my favorite mechanic 12:49 i had to abandon 3 quest artifacts on the plane of water to dual mr >-40ac rodneys who had filled every air bubble up with nasties 12:49 I died three times in the sanctum in one week to double trouble shit 12:49 ascended tho! 12:49 Wow 12:50 How did you deal with them all attacking you at once? 12:50 you just focus one down 12:50 Suppose then you can move into his spot 12:50 and repeat until you're on the portal 12:51 oh you said how did, I thought you said how do 12:51 yeah you know what, good question 12:51 Either is fine 12:51 how did you do it krm26? 12:51 well I'm not the one who did it so it's silly for me to answer lol 12:52 and anyway, it was a wrong answer 12:52 i abandoned them when they were non-adjacent to heal 12:52 let them keep their artifacts 12:52 heh 12:52 xD 12:56 The magic marker from Moloch's chest is guaranteed, right? 12:56 Not 10% chance like the others 12:56 yes 12:57 Good good 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a leather cornuthaum entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:31370 (12:25:55) 12:57 Vecna has one too, so I guess I'll be able to boulder fort Lucifer too 12:57 lucky 12:58 dammith thoth you idjit 12:59 reading the backscroll, Imanity is there a reason you're not writing the spellbooks you need, instead of praying for them? 12:59 Very few magic markers. The only ones I got were a very low charge from Sokoban, and 1 from a wish 13:00 and all that had to be spent on reverse genociding black dragons, sea dragons for plane of water, enchant armor, enchant weapon, etc 13:00 also you could sacrifice for Grayswandir with a helm of opposite alignment (you'll lose any protection you have though) 13:00 Would be nice, but I have about 25 points of divine protection 13:00 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 13:01 All that being lost isn't worth something I can boulder fort my way out of 13:01 ah - all that prayer! gotcha 13:01 hmm, you know, i hadn't considered using a helm to sacrific for seceesdsdpieptipita 13:02 can be a bit of a grind, but... 13:02 Yep. Started from accidentally angering the pegasus, and wanting a spellbook of charm monster to tame it 13:02 Got one about 30k turns later xD 13:02 how does that work? doesn't your god basically throw you in the toilet, not only have you flopped alignments, but you keep sacrificing to another god 13:04 no, just wear helm, sacfest, get what you want, take helm off, buy protection back 13:04 intersting 13:04 my stash altar level already happens to have a second, chaotic altar on it 13:04 meant to be 13:05 only had a single altar in my game, so had to convert it too ;-) 13:05 What happens if you kill try on a helm of opp align on the astral plane with a dead quest leader? 13:05 *if you try on 13:06 nothing? 13:06 "If you've made your quest leader angry for whatever reason, this no longer makes the game unwinnable. You can engage them in battle, and if you kill your quest leader, this unlocks the quest. You can then complete your quest as you normally would. Take heed, quest leaders are not weak and can prove formidable to a mid-level player. Also note that 13:06 your deity isn't exactly thrilled with you killing off your quest leader. Your alignment record can still be in the positive, but if you try any helm of opposite alignment shenanigans when it comes time to sacrifice the Amulet of Yendor at the endgame... interesting (read: bad) things can happen." 13:06 quest leader making the game unwinnable was something that happened before you completed your quest 13:06 I know, I mean that last line 13:06 the bad things that can happen 13:07 mm, i dunno, that's a new one for me 13:07 Was trying it in wizard mode yesterday, and the only thing I could find, was my own high priest was hostile 13:07 Seems quite tame 13:07 Thought they'd be more of a challenge 13:08 your god can destroy your oppo helm I think (the bad things that can happen) 13:09 Oh I see 13:09 it's only a chance that happens 13:10 That would hurt quite a bit, especially as a neutral 13:10 and you only have one set of each opp align helms 13:10 well, if you have spare wishes... 13:11 Anything but succubi/incubi and booze is sacrilege 13:11 on the plane :D 13:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13780 (6:03:13) 13:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:14066 (6:10:12) 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:14179 (6:13:45) 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 2184 points, T:1995, killed by a black pudding 13:41 good grief, 2 fell beasts right on top of the wizard quest portal -- can't do the quest :-/ 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una) made his first wish - "Cursed fixed +3 grey dragon scale mail", on T:215 (0:04:13) 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 197 points, T:261, killed by a water moccasin 13:48 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 42 points, T:185, killed by a sewer rat 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 114 points, T:243, killed by a water demon 13:57 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:57 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 14:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:33932 (13:34:43) 14:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 1363 points, T:1961, killed by a giant mosquito 14:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:34010 (13:41:20) 14:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 573 points, T:885, killed by a piranha 14:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 54 points, T:70, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted sewer rat 14:23 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:34859 (13:55:19) 14:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1083 (0:13:13) 14:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1318 points, T:1092, killed by a piranha 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:35127 (13:59:42) 14:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:42 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/5e51236971d3...d5c124fad6c7 14:42 [EvilHack] k21971 d5c124f - Fix: objects being created with materials they shouldn't have. 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (green slimes), on T:36131 (14:16:38) 14:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2063 (0:18:42) 14:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 15:00 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:00 aww no more dragonhide mummy wrappings? 15:01 well I've got until may to enjoy them I guess 15:03 -!- mobileuser96 has joined #evilhack 15:03 lol just when I convinced hackemslashem to allow dragonhide mummy wrappings in hackem 15:04 "evilhack has them too!" 15:04 lol 15:04 hahahahahaha 15:05 i recall aosdict making fun of me for allowing dragonhide mummy wrappings 15:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a bone devil, on T:3431 (0:34:23) 15:05 so when i went to fix the iron ashwood staff thing, i remembered 15:05 I thought you were immune K2 :-) 15:06 i have feelings too you know! 15:06 * K2 sobs 15:06 ok over it. ship it! 15:06 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:07 -!- mobileuser96 is now known as mobileuser 15:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 8176 points, T:3802, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted mumak 15:17 pff I am such a pack rat for no reason 15:17 was wondering why I was burdened turns out I'm carrying like 30 food rations for no reason at all 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:38578 (5:42:36) 15:18 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/d5c124fad6c7...a55878ebd098 15:18 [EvilHack] k21971 a55878e - Restore Tourists skill in twoweaponing to 'skilled'. 15:19 YES 15:19 \o/ 15:19 nerd boners for everyone! \o/ 15:19 hahaha 15:19 :P 15:21 tourists already ez mode! 15:21 now they're ultra ex mode 15:21 ez 15:21 E Z 15:22 ok so artifact barding - what two artifacts should be used to make that? 15:22 hm 15:23 i was thinking making one of the artifacts be one that's already forged 15:23 because whatever steed you put this on, gonna be good 15:23 G O O D 15:23 true 15:24 ashmar maybe? and something else 15:24 the final forged artifact is going to be body armor, and will require ashmar and the SoA to create 15:24 \o/ for the tourist skilled two-weaponing \o/ 15:24 alright so no ashmar 15:24 maybe tempest + a normal artifact 15:25 hmm no not tempest 15:25 that's a steedcentric weapon 15:25 but you gotta use tempest in combo with the barding that would be, scientifically speaking, Sick as Hell 15:25 right 15:25 um 15:25 vorpal + something 15:26 if you use vorpal it can prevent your steed from being beheaded 15:26 yup 15:26 hm 15:26 what about hotg 15:26 hmm 15:28 somehow it doesn't feel right to combine a hammer with a sword and come out with a barding 15:28 k2: make the barding require any quest artifact :-) 15:28 oh geez 15:28 lol 15:28 heh 15:28 maybe vecna's artifact 15:28 ooh 15:28 sword of kas 15:28 oooh 15:29 that's a lot of material 15:29 kas + lifestealer -> ingredient item + another -> barding 15:29 kas+lifestealer=two handed weapon for giants 15:29 well right now it's all set up, 2 objects makes one 15:29 no one else can use it 15:29 heh 15:29 Loggers_VIII that's a neat idea 15:30 right, the two swords -> something only good for an artifact recipe, that + another -> barding 15:30 you can make something take an arbitrary number of ingredients with intermediate items 15:30 but the sword of kas, you cant sac or wish for, you *have* to defeat or steal it from Kas 15:30 and that's early late game 15:30 kas's sword + vlad's sword 15:31 get a really swordy sword 15:31 ^ that idea would be a two hander for a giant 15:31 haha, ride a woolly mammoth into the end game wielding giant two hander 15:31 + orcus wand 15:31 you can't get it! 15:31 krm26 you cant even pick up orcus' wand 15:31 ooh, recipe using butcher 15:32 no guarantee you'll get yenoghu 15:32 you can farm him 15:32 no one is gonna wanna do that 15:32 ^ 15:32 nobody? 15:32 heh 15:32 okay, YOU might want to do it 15:32 I can see that 15:33 but us human beings wouldn't :P 15:33 i think the simple fact that you cant get the sword of kas until after the valley is hard enough criteria as it is 15:33 fair enough 15:33 vorpal + sword of kas 15:33 the only reason i'm no a fan of that is that the sword of kas is basically junk after maybe using it to splat vecna -- so not a sacrifice to use it to make something else 15:33 re. forging - there should be a forge in Orcus's town (please) 15:34 so you are gating the recipe but not making it *hurt* (which is ok if that is your intent) 15:36 I mean, none of the other forged artifacts really hurt to make either 15:36 fire brand+frost brand is a straight upgrade 15:36 trollsbane+ogresmasher is free 15:36 demonbane+sunsword doesn't hurt since you get all the attributes of both rolled into one 15:38 mjollnir and cleaver is one that I see making me a little sad to make but if you would benefit more from using either mjollnir/cleaver you're probably a role that can't utilize Tempest to its full potential 15:38 barding + GoPur would be a sacrifice 15:38 huh 15:38 that... actually makes more sense 15:38 nooo don't touch my gloves :( 15:39 GoPur reflect which the artifact barding would also do 15:39 that does make sense though 15:39 I was thinking vorpal+polished barding but that's a better idea 15:39 gopur is a sacrifice 15:39 vorpal + gopur 15:39 oh my lord my two favorite things 15:40 that way i can justify vorpal protection (vorpal J's) 15:40 its the sacrifice you're making for your steed 15:40 :P 15:40 this better be a goood feckin barding 15:41 hah 15:41 NO PRESUURE 15:41 SU 15:41 FAK 15:41 lol 15:42 so what, barding and then armor and that's all of em? 15:42 yup 15:42 i dont think i'll make any more recipes after this 15:43 i feel dirty enough as it is 15:43 so OP 15:43 pfff 15:43 the body armor is going to be CHOICE 15:43 CHOICE 15:44 it better be, for SoA and Ashmar! 15:44 that's the best combo in the game 15:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV2Y2kIUkIs 15:45 lol 15:45 bet ya havent seen that one in awhile :) 15:45 its weird, i seem to have instant recall for 80's movies 15:46 more memorable than modern movies 15:46 good skill to have 15:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:39830 (5:51:08) 15:51 heh 15:51 poor doggo :( 15:51 ok so now... what name 15:51 what do we call this magical barding 15:53 stephano 15:53 Phil 15:53 Steedscalibur 15:53 250 GT Spyder Barding? 15:54 Phil the Impenetrable 15:54 Ned the Unkempt 15:56 barding of balance 15:56 ah, barding of unity 15:56 very fancy 15:57 signifies the bond between rider and steed 15:57 very philisophical 15:57 "Raising the hammer above your head you forge a new artifact. a - a pair of coconut shells" 15:57 hahah 15:57 lol 15:58 Ni! 15:58 name it "the death ray hits you! you die... --more--" 15:59 in a similar vein, I'd like to wish whoever came up with the "you choke over the fortune cookie. You die... --more--" cookie message a very unpleasant day 16:00 hahahah 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:41881 (6:04:55) 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:43133 (6:09:58) 16:10 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:47027 (6:24:06) 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:41099 (1 day, 11:24:44) 16:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:29 -!- Imanity has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:68028 (1 day, 9:04:52) 16:38 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 16:46 do E monsters not respect elbereth? 16:46 or scare monster, for that matter 16:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Mal Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:68450 (1 day, 9:17:37) 16:50 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 16:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 16:51 any mindless monster 16:52 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Scare_Monster 16:55 damn 17:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una) had Secespita bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:1441 (0:29:43) 17:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Dispater, on T:69147 (1 day, 9:41:27) 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 4782 points, T:2425, killed by a housecat 17:24 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 728 points, T:697, killed by the Goblin King 17:28 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:44 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:70361 (1 day, 10:35:21) 18:09 Is there any way to remove withering from yourself? 18:09 Or just heal through and wait it out? 18:11 there is 18:12 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Withering 18:12 that page needs an update 18:12 -!- terrapin has joined #evilhack 18:13 xnethack also has withering, before evilhack did 18:13 i cant remember if it was splicehack then xnh or the other way around for who had it first 18:13 Thanks. Think I have quite a few blessed potions of extra healing 18:14 No potions of full healing left. They're smoky so gulped them down long ago xd 18:14 hah 18:14 K2: from the commit message that added withering to xnh: "SpliceHack and EvilHack have already implemented features similar to this. The implementation is based on SpliceHack's, though I've fixed a number of issues I had with it." 18:20 oh 18:20 so it went splice -> evil -> xnh 18:21 and then i saw how xnh did it and revamped withering in evil 18:21 ok now i remember 18:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Mira (Con Ith Fem Cha), 51 points, T:369, killed by a grid bug 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:14716 (2:42:33) 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 30732 points, T:15817, quit 18:50 note: polymorphing into a nonliving creature/vampire will render you immune to further withering but cut short any withering you already have 18:53 *but *not* cut short 18:54 hmm ok 18:54 feature, ship it! 18:54 :P 18:55 lol 18:59 'lo 19:05 'sup 19:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:71667 (1 day, 11:23:10) 19:25 have some prelim work done on the barding 19:41 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1126 (0:10:36) 19:42 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1071 points, T:1166, killed by a gnome lady 19:42 cool! I liked Loggers's "Barding of Unity" suggestion, for the attachment between steed and rider, and attachment between steed's body and head :P 19:51 I read that nethack assumes vision is 2 ways, so can beholders and magical eyes affect you if they're in range of astral vision, but the player is blindfolded? 19:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law) murdered Meow, his faithful housecat, on T:1715 (0:25:08) 19:55 so, I always assumed that was true, but just tested in wizmode and you're fine, even if not blindfolded with a wall between you 19:55 Good good 19:55 What was Loggers' suggestion 19:55 I'm assuming a boulder between you would work too 19:56 yes, it seems so 19:56 Also I think the assumption applies to vanilla specifically, Evil evidently made some changes in that regard 19:56 though I don't recall when exactly 20:01 umbire that the new artifact barding being worked on be called the Barding of Unity 20:06 Oh I thought he suggested artifact deets themselves 20:06 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:09 -77 AC now but less than 200 HP 20:09 I think it is time for some nurse dancing 20:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:21120 (9:16:27) 20:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 20:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:50581 (6:42:48) 20:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 854 points, T:2962, killed by a spear trap 20:25 !lastgame jared 20:25 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Jared/evilhack/dumplog/1681774075.evil.html 20:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) used a forge to create the Gauntlets of Purity, on T:51665 (6:52:30) 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:51892 (6:55:38) 20:35 Gollum vs endgame geared monk 20:35 Who will win xD 20:39 endgame geared? 20:39 you have no idea the shenanigans I'm about to get up to :) 20:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1450 (0:36:39) 20:39 Sounds exciting :D 20:41 oh my goodness alchemy is my favorite thing ever 20:43 Oh I see, you went there to dilute and blank scrolls for magic marker 20:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:2411 (0:40:58) 20:43 and magic 8 shenanigans xD 20:45 yeah 20:45 after many calculations this is the safest place I think 20:46 Most likely. Elbereth will scare away most monsters 20:47 I shall await the announcement of Hecubus 20:48 I've decided I'm just going to hold down a and rewatch my favorite better call saul episodes 20:48 I'm not sure, you're a pretty high level 20:48 Could end badly if some angel decides to spawn and ruin your day 20:49 but that's where my gigantic brain comes into play 20:49 pretty much the only things that spawn on gk's leve are rats kobolds and assorted o's 20:49 Oh 20:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3319 (0:46:48) 20:49 I suppose if probematic monsters don't spawn, I guess you'll be safe 20:50 it's only dlvl2 anyway so even if it was regular spawns they wouldn't be much. once the orcs clog up the passage to the shop I've locked myself in there's essentially nothing that can get me 20:52 barding of unity 20:52 Until Mr Shopkeep kicks you out for loitering xD 20:53 barding 20:53 of 20:53 unity 20:53 wonder what will happen when the orc with a wand of polymorph spawns? 20:53 unity, barding (1 EA) 20:53 What's the planned specs for the barding anyway 20:53 told ya it was a good name 20:53 although I still think stephano is better :P 20:54 Umbire still hashing that out 20:54 when did lacca get old? 20:54 only thing I remember is that it makes it so your lance doesn't break? 20:54 or am I making that up 20:54 Loggers_VIII no thanks for the reminder 20:54 k2 over time 20:55 is everyone fine with barding of unity? 20:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4136 (0:52:46) 20:55 i'm trying to wrap my head around the 'unity' bit 20:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 4580 points, T:4145, killed by a Green-elf 20:56 I like it 20:57 without knowing the specs, it's difficult to have a final opinion on any name 20:57 ^ 20:57 If your steed dies, you die 20:57 xD 20:58 idk. I mean apart from the steed+rider thing, it's a marriage of two differently aligned artifacts. The gauntlets of purity are sort of aggressively lawful, so I like to imagine that combined with vorpal, the neutral sword, they sorta become more balanced. hence unity 20:58 YANI 20:58 but I'm waffling a bit 20:58 at the end of the day the name doesn't matter nearly as much as what it actually des 20:58 so far it reflects 20:58 and it will be spiked, so engulf protection 20:59 it will also protect the steed for vorpal attacks 20:59 *from 20:59 ah that's cool 20:59 how about slow digestion for the steed? 20:59 with vorpal blade gone, the only source of that will be vorpal J's and the occasional shambler 20:59 do spiked bardings have like a passive "thorns" type damage or is it just engulf protection 21:00 Graznop, thats not a bad idea 21:00 Loggers_VIII, just engulf prot 21:00 and then of course the lance protection 21:01 oh, its material will be mithril, so it'll be light 21:01 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:02 hmm 21:02 but neither vorpal blade or gopur is mithril 21:02 maybe steel 21:03 i dunno 21:03 or regeneration for the steed? 21:03 maybe? 21:03 could forgo spikes and make it so you can't be involuntarily separated from your speed via knockback/engulf? then if the steed is digested it's because you weren't adhering to unity 21:03 i dont want to go overboard 21:04 terrapin I think the engulf protection is more important. i was envisioning having the benefits of both spiked barding and barding of reflection 21:05 yeah spikes are definitely nicer. just thought it would be thematic, and largely functionally equivalent 21:05 i'm not sold on the name yet 21:05 are you envisioning this as making any old warhorse endgame capable? or for a Pegasus? 21:06 Graznop, it would give any steed the best fighting chance possible 21:06 barding can fit on any steed 21:06 if you're playing an orc, you can tame/ride a warg. did you know that? 21:07 if playing a giant, can tame/ride a woolly mammoth 21:07 ooh, a shiny, spiky, woolly mammoth! 21:07 yeah 21:07 if playing a caveperson, you can tame/ride a saber-toothed tiger 21:08 hmm, instead of slow digestion or regen, extrinsic speed maybe 21:08 actually, MR would be ideal 21:08 no worries about poly trap/wand 21:08 there's a LOT we could do here 21:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2248 (0:13:42) 21:09 whenever I've tried taking steeds into Gehennom, I've gotten bored with the feeding / healing routine 21:10 we just need to be careful and not overdo it, having all these features and abilities for your steed might be cool to have, but we dont want to unbalance things 21:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:2295 (0:14:31) 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:2364 (0:15:35) 21:14 [hdf-us] [evil] attis (Kni Hum Fem Law), 190 points, T:1756, killed by a mountain dwarf 21:15 food isnt really an issue unless you have an herbivore 21:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 3262 points, T:2869, killed by a piranha 21:17 so maybe reflection, spikes and lance protection is enough? but then would anyone give up GoPur / Vorpal for that? 21:17 difficult to find a balance... 21:18 i get it 21:18 it'll be worth having, just dont want to overdo it 21:19 good luck! must sleep now, g'night 21:19 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:22 Herbivorous steeds are much less of an issue thanks to NPCs and tree abundance 21:22 It's a fair amount to carry though 21:23 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3954 (0:19:17) 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a concave amulet on an altar, on T:4277 (0:21:15) 21:27 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4908 points, T:4352, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 21:29 !lastgame 21:29 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DragonSidedD/evilhack/dumplog/1681779873.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1681756254.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1680684548.evil.html 21:30 Ew ZooTown 21:31 Watchmen are dicks already 21:31 But I think this one caused his death xd 21:32 [hdf-us] [evil] attis (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "+2 blessed greased dragonhide helm of speed named Fountain Quaffers Delight", on T:559 (0:17:10) 21:39 [hdf-us] [evil] attis (Kni Hum Fem Law), 461 points, T:1356, killed by a narrow pointy spike 21:39 Is there any way to make monsters go over traps? 21:40 These wraiths in the valley don't want to move 21:48 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin opened pull request #117: Make withering more consistent - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/pull/117 21:49 didn't want valuable dev time diverted from the barding :) 21:50 heh 21:50 thank you :) 21:50 no problem 21:50 i just added an extra bitfield to TOOL define so I can slap some ANTIMAGIC on it 21:50 making a new object specifically for this artifact barding 21:51 exciting! 21:51 runed barding 21:56 Imanity: depends on the trap. magic and teleport traps can be cancelled, which I assume is salient to VotD. rock traps run dry. wraiths don't care about many other traps, I think 21:56 The wraiths in the valley seemed dead set of staying behind the spear trap 21:56 *dead set on 21:57 oh, right; forgot that they won't pass if they've seen others get trapped 21:58 I don't think there's anything you can do about it now? in the future, make sure to lure them one at a time so they don't see other monsters tripping the trap 21:58 Pity, there were abouit 10 of them. If 80% of them leave a corpse, that's 16 hp and 8 pwr for free 21:58 dang :( 21:58 teleport? 21:58 Think teleporting was the best option. Theyre all dead now 22:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 621 points, T:1384, killed by a sling bullet 22:21 Then again, 1 round of nurse dancing gave me almost 100 hp 22:27 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4539 points, T:2975, killed by a gnoll hunter 22:39 reverted the extra bitfield to TOOL in objects.c, there's a much better/easier way to give barding MR 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Jared (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 3087 points, T:1910, killed by a gnoll hunter 22:52 alrighty. currently the artifact barding has reflection, MR, and is spiky 22:55 that's enough for tonight, gnite o/ 22:56 terrapin i'll look over your PR when i am not sleepy 23:26 -!- Loggers_Twin has joined #evilhack 23:33 -!- Loggers_Twin has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 23:43 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]