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00:33 <terrapin> !tell k2: found the intrinsic drain resist bug! set_uasmon assumes extrinsic drain resistance only comes from weapons (true in vanilla), and thus gives you intrinsic drain resist if you're wearing armor of decay. (It happened with my polyselfless hobbit because set_uasmon is called during game recovery). 
00:33 <Hecubus> No worries, terrapin, I've got this!
00:33 <terrapin> !tell k2: https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/699aec9df648198ae56d4d5eecf992338b2eebc9/src/polyself.c#L70.
00:33 <Hecubus> I'm on it, terrapin.
01:39 <terrapin> !tell k2: https://termbin.com/kf4a2 seems to work
01:39 <Hecubus> Will do, terrapin!
01:55 <terrapin> !tell k2: P.P.P.S. actually that doesn't work for crowned infidels polymorphing into non-drain-resistant forms. Ugh. Whatever, it's way too late for this. 
01:55 <Hecubus> k2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, terrapin.
02:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1615 (0:13:47)
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02:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Hea Cen Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3245 (6:18:57)
02:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3453 (0:30:36)
02:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Hea Cen Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3413 (6:31:14)
02:58 <Umbire> interesting, only the marker in the chest
02:58 <Umbire> another o made off with the rest and fell, 99%
03:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Hea Cen Mal Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3552 (6:45:33)
03:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:64528 (20:00:17)
04:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Hea Cen Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 daggers on an altar, on T:5326 (7:49:36)
04:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1720 points, T:1645, killed by a piranha
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06:25 <Umbire> this seed seems to be Oops! All Throne Rooms
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07:10 <terrapin> k2: after much thought, I have come to two conclusions: 1) !telling you stuff is cumbersome and probably annoying, and you read the backscroll anyway. 2) the problem isn't polyself (my fix is fine (at least, fine for everything I've considered))
07:12 <terrapin> the issues are pray.c and attrib.c, which are a right mess when it comes to demonic abilities. When crowned, demons gain abilities from two sources they probably shouldn't, and don't gain them from a third source that they should gain them from
07:13 <terrapin> this also relates to some other issues with infidel crowning I've brought up in the past. 
07:15 <terrapin> I think I've mostly figured out how to make it all work, but I don't really have time now---I've got work. 
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07:23 <K2> !tell terrapin noooo using !tell is great, sometimes I might miss a thing in backscroll. I read all your stuff, i'll have a look, and thanks for the patch. I missed you by 5 min this morning hah
07:23 <Hecubus> K2: Messages from terrapin have been forwarded to you privately.
07:23 <Hecubus> I'm on it, K2.
07:25 <lacca[m]> hey everyone, how do I get out of lava? I don't have teleport methods, my levitation ring is on but I was caught by a spider.
07:25 <lacca[m]> I am sinking:/
07:26 <lacca[m]> no wands of cold or anything
07:27 <lacca[m]> ah, found an article on nethack wiki
07:27 <lacca[m]> (no means still)
07:27 <K2> hmm
07:27 <K2> :/
07:28 <lacca[m]> walked out of it
07:29 <lacca[m]> pff
07:29 <lacca[m]> but half of my inventory is burned
07:29 <lacca[m]> still alive though!
07:29 <K2> \o/
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07:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) averted death (killed by a gnoll hunter), on T:26614 (3:42:05)
07:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 60299 points, T:26690, killed by an exploding wand
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07:47 <VaderFLAG> !lastgame
07:47 <Hecubus> VaderFLAG: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nightsorrow/evilhack/dumplog/1681323409.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1681215911.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1680684548.evil.html
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08:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:28101 (4:24:09)
08:12 <K2> ooof :(
08:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:28683 (4:30:04)
08:38 <K2> wish i knew how to recreate the drain res bug
08:38 <K2> tried a couple things, not happening
08:43 <krm26> shows up after losing the gear?
08:45 <K2> supposedly
08:45 <K2> i've never been able to recreate it
08:45 <K2> i've seen it though (viewed a game)
08:45 <K2> and i can see why it would happen, his patch is sound imo
08:46 <K2> but i like to be able to recreate a bug before i do a fix
08:46 <K2> i like to see before/after
08:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2616 points, T:2356, quit
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08:57 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame lacca
08:57 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1681215911.evil.html
09:00 <Loggers_VIII> argh I really need a bag
09:00 <Loggers_VIII> "both of your potions of holy water freeze and shatter!" :(
09:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6756 (1:31:03)
09:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2953 (0:14:08)
09:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3175 (0:17:43)
09:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a spherical amulet on an altar, on T:3770 (0:23:18)
09:29 <K2> !tell terrapin when you get a chance, can you please show me how you reproduced the intrinsic drain res bug? thanks!
09:29 <Hecubus> I'm on it, K2.
10:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class D, on T:65625 (20:32:24)
10:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 404 points, T:736, killed by a lesser homunculus, while sleeping
10:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 17121 points, T:9689, killed by a bolt of fire
10:09 <Loggers_VIII> wait what???
10:09 <Loggers_VIII> I didn't want to pick that up
10:09 <Loggers_VIII> !Lastgame
10:09 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame
10:09 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1681327009.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1681394791.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1680684548.evil.html
10:10 <Loggers_VIII> fun
10:10 <K2> :/
10:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 104 points, T:140, killed by a boulder
10:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:8747 (1:13:25)
10:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1350 (0:04:23)
10:16 <VaderFLAG> My favorite thing in the world is getting caught by wands in that corridor
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10:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9025 (1:17:02)
10:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1897 (0:07:21)
10:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a kobold shaman, on T:9084 (1:18:19)
10:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3629 points, T:2067, killed by a water elemental
10:21 <Loggers_VIII> vaderflag I'm just angry because I tried to exit the pickup menu and escape but I misclicked and picked up some stuff lol
10:21 <Loggers_VIII> because at least when I get killed by bs wands or poison I can feel righteously indignant
10:21 <Loggers_VIII> right now I just feel silly
10:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:9289 (1:21:14)
10:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:581 (0:02:16)
10:24 <K2> mini-me likes the candy bar idea
10:25 <mobileuser> \o/
10:25 <K2> https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/12itdrk/help_releasing_katherine_the_enchantress_with_a/ - i did a reply to the candy bar bit
10:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class D, on T:66132 (20:50:14)
10:26 <mobileuser> finally Infidels will have a way to pacify the Enchantress
10:26 <K2> um no
10:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class D, on T:66136 (20:50:53)
10:26 <mobileuser> lol
10:26 <K2> infidels wont ever be able to - they are evil
10:26 <mobileuser> yeah, just kidding
10:27 <K2> its for when she was peaceful and then became angry
10:27 <K2> ah
10:27 <K2> i thought you were serious. i dodnt want to get your hopes up :P
10:27 <K2> *didnt
10:27 <mobileuser> haha
10:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2560 points, T:2388, killed by a Green-elf
10:28 <mobileuser> "parasite (Mon Trt Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class D"
10:28 <K2> THL
10:28 <K2> 'today he learned'
10:28 <K2> wonder if he'll complain about it, not all D's went away
10:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 204 points, T:273, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted kobold, while sleeping
10:29 <mobileuser> yeah, I feel another question about genocide coming up on rec.games.roguelike.nethack :-)
10:33 <cbus> "You feel a disturbance in the force"
10:33 <Loggers_VIII> cbus hahaha
10:34 <K2> :)
10:35 <Loggers_VIII> janis stirs
10:36 <Loggers_VIII> hey he is pretty far in though
10:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible UmberConductor's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:9985 (1:35:37)
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10:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1782 (0:09:45)
10:39 <Loggers_VIII> oh he's got SoA that's fun
10:39 <Loggers_VIII> but he is a monk so it seems unneccessary
10:41 <Graznop> wonder if one of the soldiers has used the wishes yet?
10:43 <mobileuser> why is he walking around stressed
10:43 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:36856 (6:10:19)
10:43 <Loggers_VIII> idk
10:43 <Loggers_VIII> maybe that's why he couldn't outrun those locusts...
10:45 <Loggers_VIII> whoa he's carrying around a lot of crap
10:45 <Graznop> maybe it's a new conduct - ascend with everything?
10:46 <Loggers_VIII> what a troll, a gray fungus spawned on the minetown upstairs
10:46 <Loggers_VIII> graznop lol
10:46 <Loggers_VIII> I'd play that conduct
10:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 4033 points, T:1694, killed by the wrath of Huan Ti
10:47 <Loggers_VIII> can we add a way to make rude gestures in the gods' general directioon
10:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 15 mithril shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:2342 (0:02:51)
10:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (woodchucks), on T:2394 (0:04:25)
10:52 <Loggers_VIII> !
10:52 <Loggers_VIII> healing potions are smoky
10:53 <Loggers_VIII> I started with three of those bad boys
10:53 <Loggers_VIII> found another in a shop... coaligned altar on level 1
10:53 <Loggers_VIII> it's all coming together
10:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 9277 points, T:4228, killed by a dwarf lord
10:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2990 (0:07:45)
10:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:3275 (0:09:44)
10:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Gollum, on T:38049 (6:25:36)
11:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4484 (0:18:49)
11:07 <Loggers_VIII> oh hey luckstones stack
11:07 <Loggers_VIII> I didn't know that
11:07 <K2> \o/
11:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8477 points, T:4555, killed by a giant mummy, while moving through the air
11:08 <Loggers_VIII> oh I did not know those had a knock back attack
11:08 <Loggers_VIII> I'm learning a lot today
11:08 <Loggers_VIII> @e?ettin mummy
11:08 <Hecubus> ettin mummy (M) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 2d6 claw wither, 2d6 claw physical | Align: -6 | genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous
11:08 <Loggers_VIII> none on those though
11:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 620 points, T:448, killed by the Goblin King
11:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:462 (0:02:32)
11:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1168 (0:07:14)
11:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gnomish wizards), on T:1585 (0:09:30)
11:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:2443 (0:13:36)
11:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 15 points, T:113, killed by a gas cloud
11:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3837 (0:19:15)
11:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 15 shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:5800 (0:21:29)
11:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:41196 (7:00:39)
11:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:8785 (0:26:06)
11:36 <Loggers_VIII> oh that's riiight
11:36 <Loggers_VIII> monks don't get stormbringer
11:37 <Loggers_VIII> I became the glory of Arioch and all I got was this lousy spellbook
11:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:8834 (0:28:04)
11:39 <Loggers_VIII> oh hey crowned in only 26 minutes though
11:39 <Loggers_VIII> that's kind of nice
11:41 <K2> working on the halberd
11:42 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a warhorse corpse, on T:9453 (0:31:35)
11:43 <Loggers_VIII> oh man I am excited for that halberd
11:48 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2786 (0:23:38)
11:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a pair of gauntlets of protection, on T:11633 (0:41:27)
11:52 <Loggers_VIII> ew
11:52 <Loggers_VIII> should not have rolled the bones
12:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 44282 points, T:13903, killed by a troll, while frozen by a potion
12:03 <Loggers_VIII> wow thank you for that game
12:03 <Loggers_VIII> thank you for giving the bugbear a potion of paralysis
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12:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 666 points, T:878, killed by hitting themselves in the face
12:18 <K2> hah
12:18 <K2> that death msg never gets old
12:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:5367 (0:54:44)
12:20 <cbus> how do you do that?
12:21 <cbus> striking at .?
12:21 <K2> no, wield a cursed weapon and attack with it
12:21 <K2> sometimes it will attack you
12:22 <krm26> yup, i clocked my orc face with a mithril pick axe at exactly 666 points like a pro
12:22 <K2> flex
12:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 520 points, T:1477, killed by a piranha
12:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4748 (0:50:22)
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12:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1179 points, T:1452, killed by the Goblin King
12:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (quivering blobs), on T:1377 (0:22:40)
12:58 <Loggers_VIII> haha dramborleg is on the ground yet again
12:58 <Loggers_VIII> no way of picking it up, yet again
13:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1782 (0:12:40)
13:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2104 (0:14:17)
13:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of an Archon named Guy Montag", on T:2371 (0:16:19)
13:12 <Loggers_VIII> aw hell yeah minetown had a magic whistle
13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5329 (1:33:00)
13:15 <Loggers_VIII> haha, "The invisible Guy Montag casts a spell at the giant anaconda! She's using the touch of death! The giant anaconda is killed!"
13:15 <K2> \o/
13:15 <Loggers_VIII> I finally get my revenge on zoo town
13:15 <K2> have your archon grab it (dramborleg)
13:17 <Loggers_VIII> you, sir, ar a genius
13:17 <Loggers_VIII> *are
13:18 <Loggers_VIII> I'll try it later, I gotta go
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13:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2211 (0:14:31)
13:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law), 10861 points, T:6010, killed by a fog cloud
13:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:3772 (0:24:10)
13:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had an orcish cloak entrusted to her by Set, on T:23005 (11:26:27)
13:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Set, on T:23148 (11:31:18)
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13:51 <Graznop> want luck :|
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13:58 <K2> if you're not seeing the four leaf clover msgs, your luck is most likely maxed out
14:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a steel knife entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:42843 (7:25:42)
14:08 <Graznop> no where near maxed unfortunately, only got four or five four leaf clovers
14:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 cursed genocide", on T:23584 (11:50:17)
14:09 <Umbire> The sacrifice also has to be enough to raise your luck
14:10 <Graznop> yes, i was complaining because i was getting dodgy gifts instead!
14:11 <Graznop> s/dodgy/wonderfully useful/
14:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 10384 points, T:7117, poisoned by a water moccasin
14:20 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1735 (0:47:35)
14:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:1834 (0:48:32)
14:23 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2360 points, T:2149, killed by a piranha
14:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:24389 (12:09:09)
14:33 <Umbire> Sounds like a nice problem to have
14:34 <Graznop> admittedly, not the worst!
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14:48 <Loggers_VIII> do pets from figurines spawn cancelled?
14:49 <Loggers_VIII> my archon's gazes are always ineffective
14:52 <K2> shouldnt?
14:52 <mobileuser> if the archon can cast spells it's not cancelled
14:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the elven priestess of Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3613 (0:30:11)
14:55 <Loggers_VIII> oh mobileuser good point
14:56 <Loggers_VIII> maybe it's just always ineffective against monsters
14:57 <Loggers_VIII> @e?archon
14:57 <Hecubus> Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 80 | Gen: dungeons | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis
14:57 <Loggers_VIII> oh maybe it's because they get blinded without me seeing and then it's always ineffective because they are blind?
14:58 <Loggers_VIII> that's probably it
14:58 <Loggers_VIII> hm no that's not it
15:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4917 (0:41:02)
15:07 <NetSysFire> i dreamt of nethack again and i played some weird variant of evil(?) where vecna was the caveperson quest nemesis
15:08 <Loggers_VIII> lol
15:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6759 (2:36:04)
15:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed saddle", on T:38875 (1 day, 7:13:38)
15:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:25740 (12:51:03)
15:10 <NetSysFire> and i reported a bug to K2 because i couldnt pick up the cram rations. i saw them but , behaved as there wasnt anything on that tile
15:10 <K2> artifact cram ration
15:10 <K2> evades grasp
15:11 <NetSysFire> you eat it and get intrinsic acid res or something
15:12 <Loggers_VIII> you have to forge it out of every other food item in the game
15:13 <Loggers_VIII> okok hear me out
15:13 <Loggers_VIII> artifact horn of plenty
15:13 <Loggers_VIII> cornucopia
15:14 <Loggers_VIII> give infinite smoky potions :)
15:14 <Loggers_VIII> *gives
15:14 <Loggers_VIII> @e?water elemental
15:14 <Hecubus> water elemental (E) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Atk: 5d6 claw physical, 4d4 engulf wrap, 0d0 passive rust | Align: 0 | swims, amphibious, breathless, mindless, unsolid, passes-bars, vegan
15:17 <Loggers_VIII> whoa almost got energy vortex'd
15:17 <Loggers_VIII> it's always in sokoban
15:18 <NetSysFire> lol no, how about it having a low chance to dispense a random potion?
15:19 <NetSysFire> and every 100 turns there is a chance that it regains one charge
15:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 394 points, T:939, killed by a bolt of cold
15:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11773 (2:28:28)
15:22 <Loggers_VIII> honestly it would be cool if there was an infinite-charge horn of plenty that also gave slotless slow digestion
15:22 <Loggers_VIII> but didn't dispense potions because if fruit or booze is smoky that's infinite wishes
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15:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:7245 (0:59:03)
15:24 <Loggers_VIII> well I wanted reflection but that's nice too I guess
15:28 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame lacca
15:28 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1681396168.evil.html
15:29 <lacca[m]> probably nothing serious
15:29 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
15:29 <Loggers_VIII> seems as though you had a problem with an elf and a gnomish wizard
15:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:7944 (1:04:31)
15:31 <K2> wanna see what I have so far for the halberd forged artifact?
15:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:2638 (0:10:54)
15:32 <Graznop> yes please!
15:32 <K2> https://termbin.com/i7v4
15:34 <Loggers_VIII> ooh no stunning
15:34 <Graznop> lol - area effect lightning - sometimes blow your stuff up!
15:35 <K2> Tempest hits!  Lightning strikes the giant turtle!  The door splinters!  The giant turtle is caught in the ball of lightning!
15:35 <Graznop> looks good
15:35 <K2> it *looks awesome*
15:35 <K2> as in the effect
15:35 <krm26> trigger on ranged application as well as normal attack?
15:35 <K2> yeah
15:35 <krm26> mmm
15:35 <krm26> but 2h sux so bad
15:36 <K2> it follows the rules just like any polearm - ranged attack, mounted on steed close attack, or centaur close attack - the lightning bits (normal and aoe) will proc
15:36 <K2> close attack not mounted, just hits like a normal weapon
15:36 <krm26> also make it destroy/remove fog clouds and clouds when it blows off an electrical storm -- clears the air :-)
15:36 <K2> you ask so much
15:37 <krm26> that's why i'm here
15:37 <krm26> i only ask for smops
15:37 <Loggers_VIII> oh it would be cool if it prevented paralysis from lightning strikes
15:37 <Loggers_VIII> because nothing else does that as far as I'm aware
15:37 <krm26> autokills energy vortexes
15:38 <K2> well you get 100% elec res from wielding it
15:38 <Graznop> autokills energy vortexes, but only when engulfed :)
15:38 <Loggers_VIII> yeah but... who won't have elec res by the plane of air
15:38 <K2> you never know
15:39 <Loggers_VIII> actually, clerical spells exist
15:39 <krm26> there should be a slight difference between extrinsic and intrinsic elemental resists so there is a teeny tiny benefit from the extrinsic resist
15:40 <K2> there's a couple more stun case4s I need to address i think
15:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4538 (0:19:42)
15:41 <K2> anyways... watching a *weapon* cause aoe attack on hit is friggin cool to see
15:41 <K2> never seen that before
15:42 <Loggers_VIII> send us a gif or something
15:42 <K2> when i commit this, you could pull it and compile it, see for yourself :P
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> pfft what a tease
15:43 <Loggers_VIII> you know I don't have such knowledge
15:44 <K2> i didnt know that
15:44 <K2> oh also, lightning explosions now have their own type, they stay white, cold attacks will look silver now
15:45 <K2> kinda surprised that wasnt already a thing
15:45 <Loggers_VIII> makes sense
15:45 <Umbire> Yeah
15:46 <Umbire> my thing is if you use this in melee range you're basically autozapping yourself/your steed aren't you?
15:46 <Umbire> or do I (hopefully) misunderstand
15:46 <K2> yeah that can happen
15:47 <K2> it then behooves you to use it at range
15:47 <Loggers_VIII> worth it
15:47 <K2> if you're not on a steed, melee range wont proc any special damage at all
15:48 <Loggers_VIII> not worth it
15:48 <K2> unless you're a centaur
15:50 <K2> i'm not done with this
15:50 <K2> more changes may occur
15:50 <K2> but the aoe thing is wicked cool
15:51 <Loggers_VIII> heh
15:52 <K2> you can invoke it for conflict, didnt seem like you all noticed that
15:52 <K2> :P
15:52 <Loggers_VIII> I saw but I never use conflict I think it's overrated :P
15:52 <K2> hah wow
15:52 <krm26> yeah conflict kinda blows these days
15:53 <Loggers_VIII> I like there to be as little unforeseen variables in a fight as possible and conflict kind of fucks with me on that front
15:53 <Loggers_VIII> besides, what's cooler, making the monsters fight each other, or kicking their asses yourself? :P
15:53 <K2> yes
15:54 <Loggers_VIII> but most people seem to like conflict a lot so I'm in the minority on that one
15:54 <Umbire> conflict is still p. viable esp. in Evil
15:54 <krm26> no conflict is only for running through purgatory
15:55 <Umbire> but my inner musou comes out a lot
15:55 <Loggers_VIII> lol
15:55 <Umbire> love tearing through a horde of dudes what can I say
15:55 <Loggers_VIII> what are the changes to conflict, anyway? I know it was kind of insane in vanilla
15:56 <krm26> monsters have to perceive you
15:56 <Loggers_VIII> ah
15:56 <Loggers_VIII> that makes sense
15:57 <K2> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Other_Changes
15:57 <K2> ^ see conflict bit
15:57 <Graznop> there is also a charisma based roll?
15:57 <Loggers_VIII> that's in vanilla too now right? the charisma thing
15:58 <krm26> it is a level+charisma roll, and since it opposes monster level it is not necessarily super great in the endgame
15:58 <krm26> and no longer useful early game for cheesing through big dangers
15:59 <Loggers_VIII> huh
15:59 <Loggers_VIII> well, having it on an invoke is convenient
15:59 <Loggers_VIII> pretty nice passive buff
16:00 <Loggers_VIII> I always hated how conflict was pretty much only from a ring
16:00 <Loggers_VIII> I'm not giving up free action or slow digestion for that!
16:01 <krm26> i wish shields of mobility could be wood and bone
16:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:10219 (3:30:39)
16:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:10376 (3:32:48)
16:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:26681 (13:19:37)
16:08 <Loggers_VIII> ack accidentally prayed to the wrong god
16:08 <Loggers_VIII> feck
16:08 <Loggers_VIII> now that Huan Ti asshole is gonna be mad at me for all of eternity
16:08 <Loggers_VIII> time for a break
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16:16 <krm26> i was doing something else with my brain and genocided quivering blobs with an early scroll instead of gelatinous cubes :-)
16:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a leather helm of speed entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:12429 (3:54:19)
16:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1115 (0:13:43)
16:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:13665 (3:03:59)
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16:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3649 (0:40:39)
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17:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:15131 (4:54:07)
17:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law), 5781 points, T:5239, killed by an owlbear
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17:47 <terrapin> hello, folks
17:47 <Hecubus> terrapin: Message from K2 at 2023-04-13 07:23 EDT: noooo using !tell is great, sometimes I might miss a thing in backscroll. I read all your stuff, i'll have a look, and thanks for the patch. I missed you by 5 min this morning hah
17:47 <Hecubus> terrapin: Message from K2 at 2023-04-13 09:29 EDT: when you get a chance, can you please show me how you reproduced the intrinsic drain res bug? thanks!
17:50 <terrapin> k2: wear a shirt (or whatever) of decay, #polyself into something (say, a mind flayer). Take off the shirt. You're still drain resistant. Although I haven't tested it, presumably wearing the shirt when entering a level, engineering a crash, and recovering the game would also work.
17:56 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:17591 (4:21:07)
18:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:17830 (4:29:03)
18:05 <K2> terrapin ah ok
18:05 <K2> thanks
18:06 <K2> i'm wrapping up the new halberd forged artifact, once that's committed i'll focus on that bug
18:06 <terrapin> yeah I saw the logs; looks very exciting!
18:07 <K2> i hope so! not sure if the desire to use it will be there or not
18:07 <K2> kinda of an attempt to make using a polearm type weapon more interesting
18:08 <Umbire> I'm always down for polearms but the AoE in melee thing bothers me a bit still
18:08 <Umbire> not dealbreaking, just have to be ultradiligent on switching weapons
18:08 <Umbire> and uh, not getting shit cursed
18:10 <K2> close quarters melee, none of the lightning damage goes off
18:11 <K2> for that to happen, you have to either be riding a steed, or be a centaur
18:11 <terrapin> quick question about conflict---is it intentional that sometimes there's an MR check and sometimes a charisma check?
18:12 <K2> well there isnt sometimes a charisma check - there's always one
18:15 <terrapin> it's missing in mfind_target, unless the caller always checks?
18:15 <K2> hmm
18:16 <K2> and mfind_target is not vanilla code
18:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:19284 (4:44:28)
18:21 <terrapin> and in fightm in mhitm.c monsters have to fail both a charisma and an MR check to attack another monster---is that supposed to happen?
18:22 <K2> I suppose. this is an old change
18:30 <terrapin> cool just curious
18:30 <K2> yeah i am too actually
18:30 <K2> i was I had a better answer for you, i honestly dont know
18:31 <K2> i added the conflict change way way back and hadnt really looked at it since
18:31 <K2> comes from sporkhack
18:31 <terrapin> maybe some code from different variants is conflicting
18:32 <K2> its possible. mfind_target was an AI patch pulled from splicehack (which had pulled it from grunthack and cleaned it up)
18:33 <K2> *I wish
18:33 <K2> 'i was' makes no sense hah
18:40 <terrapin> oop gotta go again. see ya!
18:45 <K2> cya later
18:49 <K2> wondering if 'Tempest' is a good enough name for this artifact
18:49 <K2> i feel like it could be better
18:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided shocking spheres, on T:15631 (5:59:57)
18:51 <Umbire> Thunderfist
18:51 <Umbire>  /j
18:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 26632 points, T:15747, poisoned by an orcish arrow
18:53 <krm26> ah sweet instadeath
18:57 <K2> hmm, when a monster wields tempest against the player, when the aoe lightning attack goes off, there's no sparkle glyph, and it just says 'you hear a blast'
18:59 <K2> oh i think i see why
19:03 <K2> gdamnit
19:08 <K2> if mon hits mon with tempest, it behaves like it should
19:08 <K2> so player vs mon - good | mon vs mon - good | mon vs player - needs work
19:10 <K2> huh
19:16 <NetSysFire> K2: re your halberd, gungnir would be a cooler name
19:17 <K2> isnt that a spear though?
19:17 <Umbire> It is
19:17 <Umbire> Or at least that's what I've seen
19:17 * Umbire goes to see more
19:18 <Umbire> Yep
19:18 <krm26> that would be more appropriate as a weapon that always destroyed your opponent's weapon, rather than struck with lightning
19:20 <K2> i have another idea for that krm26
19:20 <K2> the attackers weapon bit
19:20 <K2> you gon like
19:20 <K2> not this artifact but another one in the pipeline
19:21 <krm26> i want the artifact armor to strike your opponent with the same thing they strike you with
19:21 <krm26> Retribution
19:22 <K2> i think i'm gonna commit what I have so others can see the code changes, will work out the mon vs player bit later
19:22 <K2> i'll take 2 out of 3 for initial commit
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19:27 <Imanity> Is Grey dragon scaled armor the only way to get cancellation resistance?
19:37 <krm26> staff of the archmagi, magicbane both resist that i think
19:40 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±12] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/699aec9df648...db387d8ae2c4
19:40 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 db387d8 - New forging artifact recipe - Tempest.
19:40 <K2> krm26 no they dont protect the player against being cancelled
19:41 <K2> grey dragon-scaled armor is the only way to get it
19:41 <krm26> darn
19:41 <K2> *gray
19:41 <K2> or poly into a gray dragon
19:41 <K2> Imanity ^
19:41 <Imanity> Thanks
19:42 <Imanity> Guess I'll have to wish for an amulet of reflection
19:42 <Imanity> Cancellation protection is too important
19:43 <Graznop> so does grey dragon scaled armour protect all your equipment from cancellation? 
19:43 <Imanity> I believe so. Had a dwarf zapping his wand at me and no charges/enchantments were lost
19:43 <krm26> the primary source of cancellation in the game is hitting gray dragons, if you just stop hitting them most of the problem is solved
19:43 <K2> yeah. you yourself arent cancelled, its the gear
19:44 <K2> so technically you could say it protects your stuff from being cancelled
19:44 <K2> in fiqhack, YOU can actually be cancelled, and it sucks. hard
19:45 <Imanity> What happens?
19:45 <Umbire> The cancelling can also just hit items where their being canceled means next to nothing
19:45 <K2> i need to lok it up, but i think if you're a spellcaster, cant cast spells
19:45 <K2> *look
19:45 <Imanity> Wow that sounds debilitating
19:45 <K2> and its difficult to uncancel yourself
19:45 <Umbire> Like oilskin sacks and certain other tools
19:45 <Imanity> I should unite the other wizard mains and protest xD
19:46 <Graznop> sorry I'm being thick here, if someone zaps a wand of cancellation at me, does GDSM protect the bell of opening and my magic marker?
19:47 <K2> anything you're carrying
19:47 <Graznop> cool. thanks. must get some!
19:47 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/60d752faba46c270fc1adfc9ac465b156db2739d
19:48 <K2> ^ this was back before dtsund armor was a thing
19:49 <K2> 80% chance you wont be affected
19:49 <K2> the fiqhack bit - https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/commit/d3c9bd30915d01f836a1a480bc92961373d65df3
19:50 <Graznop> ah - 80% explains it
19:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:6547 (0:57:01)
19:51 <K2> i should throw everyone a solid and change the 80% to 90% or better
19:51 <K2> brb
19:53 <Umbire> Bell of Opening can be recharged at worst
19:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] bamarche2 (Wiz Gia Mal Cha), 3693 points, T:3449, killed by a dwarf king
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19:58 <Imanity> Tbh the fiqhack cancellation doesn't seem that bad. Wasting two of the most useful potions/scrolls would hurt a lot though
19:59 <Imanity> Especially if cancellation is used multiple times in a fight
20:00 <Umbire> Restore ability to heal that, right?
20:01 <Imanity> Doesn't say it works. Only a magic trap effect, gain energy or charging
20:04 <Graznop> Going to have to think on this, I haven't been bothering to enchant armour to better than +3 because of /oC risk - but I learnt this playing 0.7.1, behaviour now changed!
20:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:10019 (1:15:58)
20:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:10185 (1:17:13)
20:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 12812 points, T:10554, killed by a dwarf lady
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20:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1340 (0:07:20)
20:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2690 points, T:2455, killed by a goblin-captain called Aothoghai of Aigrisogoth
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20:37 <Umbire> Oh that's stupid lmao
20:38 <Loggers_VIII> what
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20:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:1801 (0:09:51)
20:56 <Umbire> !tell Loggers_VIII FIQ lets you get cancelled alongside other monsters and you need charging/gain energy to cure it, which isn't completely nonsense but damn lmao
20:56 <Hecubus> Will do, Umbire!
21:06 <Imanity> K2 How do you start evilhack in wizard mode, and is it possible to do so without losing the current save file on hardfought?
21:06 <aosdict> you can't play in wizard mode on hardfought, you need your own local copy
21:06 <Imanity> Ye, that's fine
21:06 <aosdict> and because it's local it has no effect on hardfought
21:07 <Imanity> Just want to check how much damage the dark one takes before I do something stupid
21:08 <terrapin> exactly how you do it depends on your system and how you installed the game. the wiki might help: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wizard_mode. 
21:09 <Imanity> Do you know where the game executable is? Downloaded evilhack from github
21:09 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/db387d8ae2c4...95d904e96556
21:09 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 95d904e - Fix: missing window tiles for new explosion type/color.
21:10 <terrapin> for windows?
21:10 <Imanity> yes
21:11 <Imanity> Nvm, found the release build. Will use that
21:11 <terrapin> extract the files, and it should be evilhack-0.8.1/binary/Evilhack.exe (EvilhackW for windows version)
21:12 <Imanity> Ye, was looking in the evilhack master folder xD
21:12 <terrapin> ah yeah, no binary there. probably better to use 0.8.1 since that's what hdf's using anyway
21:12 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/README.md#installation
21:12 <K2> if linux
21:13 <Imanity> ty
21:13 <K2> ./evilhack -D <--- wizmode
21:13 <Imanity> Think found how to do it
21:13 <K2> https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/releases/tag/v0.8.1 <--- release w/ windows binary
21:14 <K2> gdammit that didnt fix the windows build...
21:14 <K2> what did i forget
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21:17 <K2> aaahh
21:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Frozty (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:21657 (1 day, 4:13:01)
21:19 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/95d904e96556...59e9888a07de
21:19 <botifico-8ce731f> [EvilHack] k21971 59e9888 - Fix: no really, fix missing window tiles for new explosion type/color.
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21:25 <K2> yay that worked
21:26 <K2> hah i said this in the wrong channel... 'ok lets look at that intrinsic drain res bug'
21:27 <Imanity> Freeze spheres do quite a sizable amount of damage to the dark one. 5-10 with each explosion
21:28 <K2> nice to see that spell utilized. i dont think many players realize how useful that can be
21:28 <Imanity> Seems fairly efficient on pwr too
21:28 <Imanity> for an aoe spell
21:29 <K2> oh, freezing/flaming sphere isnt aoe. you're summoning a specific type of monster
21:29 <terrapin> yeah I like the sphere spells when I'm not near friendlies. random side note: currently their summon timer doesn't count down when you leave them behind on a level
21:30 <Imanity> I mean the effect is aoe. When the sphere explodes
21:30 <K2> yeah
21:30 <Imanity> I once killed my freeze sphere once when blind. That was a sad day
21:35 <terrapin> I'm available to talk about the drain res thing if you want
21:37 <K2> cool
21:38 <K2> one sec trying a thing
21:40 <K2> terrapin - https://termbin.com/kf4a2 <-- this throws warnings on compile
21:41 <K2> I tried PROPSET(DRAIN_RES, resists_drain(&youmonst)); instead, that compiles fine but doesnt work
21:42 <terrapin> oops
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21:42 <terrapin> Your try would work if demonic infidels had intrinsic drain resistance, though, right? which segues neatly into my next point: they don't
21:44 <terrapin> even though dem_abil says they do, dem_abil is never actually consulted. If that was changed, perhaps it could solve this problem too
21:44 <terrapin> racedat's only there for that special case in the first place
21:44 <K2> yup
21:45 <K2> that came with the infidel patch
21:45 <K2> what I dont get is why PROPSET(DRAIN_RES, resists_drain(&youmonst)); doesnt work
21:45 <K2> if I make a t-shirt of fire resistance and do the same steps (wear it, poly, remove it, revert)
21:45 <K2> the fire res comes and goes as it should
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21:49 <terrapin> no wait a second. resists_drain(&youmonst) doesn't compile at all
21:49 <K2> at least the drain res only stays when you're in your poly'd form. it goes away (if the shirt was removed) when you revert back to normal form
21:49 <K2> terrapin eh? it did fine on my end
21:50 <K2> https://termbin.com/4exs
21:51 <terrapin> oh you're using resists_drli
21:51 <terrapin> what the original code uses. It doesn't distinguish between intrinsic and extrinsic (hence the temporary removing of the weapon)
21:51 <K2> oooh
21:51 <K2> i see
21:52 <K2> i didnt notice that you were using resists_drain
21:52 <terrapin> resists_drain(youmonst.data) is what works except for the demonic infidel case
21:52 <K2> my bad
21:52 <K2> sorry
21:52 <terrapin> no worries
21:52 <K2> i have another idea
21:52 <K2> one sec
21:53 <K2> brb
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22:04 <K2> hmm no that didnt work
22:04 <K2> sorry, got pulled away
22:05 <K2> better half - 'oh by the way I need all 4 summer tires put in the back of my car for tomorrow, kthx'
22:05 <terrapin> oof
22:06 <terrapin> does resists_drain(racedat) not work? I did test it a little, just assumed I'd missed some compile warnings
22:06 <K2> testing it again now
22:06 <K2> it compiles fine
22:06 <K2> i tried resists_drli(racedat)
22:06 <K2> hah
22:08 <K2> ok your patch is the actual fix. even if a crowned infidel that is poly'd into <whatever>
22:08 <K2> here's why
22:08 <K2> its normal to carry over intrinsics when poly'd
22:09 <K2> example: player as elf race, gets sleep res. poly's into <thing>, still has sleep res
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22:10 <K2> terrapin your patch is the correct fix for this as far as I can tell
22:12 <K2> tested this against wielding stormbringer, good to go
22:12 <K2> uuuugh brb, i have been summoned again
22:19 <K2> ok back
22:19 <terrapin> okay last night I was tired and I'm not sure I've got the right version of code compiled. But, I think that with my initial suggested patch, a crowned infidel doesn't have drain res
22:20 <terrapin> put on a decay shirt, it says you have it innately. Take it off, no drain res at all
22:20 <terrapin> do you see that too or am I doing something wrong?
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22:20 <K2> hmm
22:22 <K2> yeah you are right, that happens
22:22 <K2> hmm
22:23 <K2> a crowned infidel wouldnt need to wear anything that gives drain res though, so there's that at ;east
22:23 <K2> *least
22:23 <K2> ooof
22:24 <K2> do the test without the armor of drain res
22:24 <terrapin> but with my patch they wouldn't get drain resistance at all
22:24 <K2> terrapin yeah they would
22:24 <K2> once they revert back it comes back
22:24 <terrapin> what sequence of actions are you doing?
22:24 <K2> this is actually correct
22:25 <K2> do this:
22:25 <K2> start an infidel, do #wizcrown
22:25 <K2> ctrl-x to see you have drain res
22:25 <terrapin> I don't. 
22:25 <K2> eh?
22:25 <K2> dont put on any drain res armor
22:26 <K2> not that that matters
22:26 <terrapin> I didn't. one sec
22:26 <K2> infidel crowned (demon) ---> You are level-drain resistant innately.
22:27 <K2> poly into <thing that doesnt have drain res> it goes away
22:27 <terrapin> oh lol it's my turn to have a typo
22:27 <K2> revert back to normal, drain res comes back
22:27 <K2> this is actually how it should be
22:27 <terrapin> I had raceptr instead of racedat, which somehow compiled just fine
22:27 <K2> hah
22:27 <K2> its contagious
22:27 <K2> i am a super spreader
22:28 <K2> yeah terrapin your patch is spot on imo
22:28 <K2> good job
22:29 <terrapin> So I wizcrowned, polymorphed into a mind flayer, and I don't have drain res. Is this intended behavior? Last night I assumed not because attrib.c lists drain res as racial for demons
22:29 <K2> yeah
22:29 <terrapin> also, when I put on decay armor as a mind flayer, I'm told I'm drain resistant innately
22:29 <K2> if it wasnt officially, it is now
22:31 <K2> terrapin its probably from attrib.c
22:31 <K2>             else if (innateness == FROM_ROLE || innateness == FROM_RACE)
22:31 <K2>                 Strcpy(buf, " innately");
22:32 <terrapin> yeah.
22:32 <K2> you're poly'd into <thing> but your race is still demon
22:33 <K2> maybe could try (innateness == FROM_ROLE || (innateness == FROM_RACE && !Upolyd))
22:33 <K2> but that may make other bits wonky
22:34 <terrapin> well the issue is that dem_abil has drain resistance listed
22:35 <terrapin> so innately() rightfully thinks that demons have intrinsic drain resistance
22:35 <terrapin> but adjabil() is never called in crowning (and adjabil doesn't have a case for demons anyway) so dem_abil intrinsics are never actually assigned
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22:36 <K2> hmm
22:37 <terrapin> this is unnoticeable for fire/poison/see invisible because gcrownu manually gives those intrinsics, and flying should be FROMFORM only anyway since it's from demon wings. arguably drain resistance should be FROMFORM only too; removing drain res from dem_abil fixes the "innate drain res" feedback
22:38 <terrapin> technically that's enough to make things work in an intuitive way because various small bugs cancel each other out :P
22:39 <terrapin> oh and remove flying from dem_abil or the same innate message would happen if poly'd and wearing an amulet of flying
22:39 * K2 nods
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22:41 <terrapin> however, when I was looking at pray.c I discovered two other things: 1) lawful infidel crownings are super buggy (easy to fix and beside the point for now). 2) only centaur jumping and illithid psychic resistance are removed when crowned, but not other racial abilities. e.g. getting crowned as a lvl 12+ giant allows you to keep intrinsic regen. This doesn't seem right to me
22:41 <K2> good catch
22:43 <terrapin> the problem is that adjabil gives level 1 racial abilities as FROMOUTSIDE because it assumes they cannot be lost (true unless your race changes, which doesn't happen in vanilla). So that would have to be removed as well in order to distinguish between, say, an illithid who has or has not eaten a floating eye
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22:45 <K2> yup i removed those 2 things from dem_abil, it all looks right
22:45 <K2> brb
22:46 <K2> ok i gotta get to bed, i am crashing hard bleh
22:47 <K2> but we're on the right track, edits arent going anywhere, can push a fix in the morning
22:47 <K2> i'll remember the bit about giants, will review other races for infidel also
22:47 <K2> thanks terrapin
22:47 <terrapin> good night! 
22:47 <K2> gnite o/
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