00:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had a knife entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:5495 (1:37:08) 00:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6463 (1:59:33) 00:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:7186 (2:46:57) 00:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:6618 (2:03:11) 00:46 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Dwa Mal Neu), 4131 points, T:4140, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 00:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:8383 (2:20:41) 00:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:8969 (2:26:02) 01:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:12413 (3:01:48) 01:31 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Val Dwa Fem Law), 576 points, T:1207, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food 01:32 K2: have you played shattered pixel dungeon yet 01:32 it has toxic gas traps! we need that in evilhack too! 01:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Kni Cen Fem Cha) had a leather cloak entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:12692 (3:09:09) 01:38 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Bar Gia Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:11292 (3:56:32) 01:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Bar Gia Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:11292 (3:56:48) 01:38 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:40 -!- arahael has joined #evilhack 01:45 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:07 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:34 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 03:50 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 03:54 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:55 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 06:11 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:29 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 06:50 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 06:53 Wow, busy past few days eh? Took me like 20 minutes to catch up on that backstroll and related usenet discussion 06:59 heh 06:59 "Slashem made quite some excellent design decisions" harsh. can't think of a hotter take in nethack 07:00 maybe putting your feet into lava, but that depends if you have fire resistance or not 07:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:34489 (7:17:11) 07:03 I really like this one: https://nethack-yanis.github.io/yanis/4259.html 07:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had a helmet entrusted to her by Crom, on T:35264 (7:25:12) 07:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:1244 (0:06:13) 07:16 the antimatter vortex. now that's a monster I haven't seen in a long time. 07:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1700 (0:08:43) 07:37 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 07:38 How do I format my config file to make my current race and role static? Main goal is to make save scumming easier 07:39 Tried using 07:39 OPTIONS=role: w 07:39 OPTIONS=race: illithid 07:39 But neither work 07:43 OPTIONS=role:infidel,race:illithid 07:43 the space looks suspicious and IIRC you need at least 3 letters for the role? 07:43 no spaces as in example 07:43 Thanks, will try. Anything to start with that spellbook of identify xD 07:44 Try just the first 3 letters 07:44 can also add ,align:l and ,gender:m 07:46 Nice, it works now 07:46 \o/ 07:50 haha, K2 noping out like a n00b. I thought you had more flame war potential in ya. ;-) 07:54 modern social media drama doesn't have the quality vibe of good old fashioned usenet flame wars. 07:55 I think he did the "I'm not mad, just disappointed" vibe very well though :-) 07:56 as long as parasite keeps leaving bones 07:57 he did but voices of reason are not very entertaining :) 08:01 Maybe Janis should be made aware of the "win" button you can get by pressing < on turn 1 ;) 08:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:7965 (0:53:31) 08:15 Loggers_VIII put quite the burn down. "I'm going to stop using this annoying outdated form of communication now" he said and went back to IRC 08:16 xD 08:17 Someone tl;dr this for me, I'm only half paying attention at the moment. 08:18 janis/parasite irked that evilhack sometimes kills you without much recourse, in exactly the same way any verison of nethack can 08:18 "evilhack has a different kind of gnome with the wand of death which makes it bad design" 08:19 was probably just locust-mad, which has happened to all of us at one time or another 08:19 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:19 honestly, if k2 would look into it, it seems like every time i die it is because evilhack has been unfair to me 08:21 I see it as Janis just needs to git gud. Almost all my deaths were preventable in evilhack 08:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:38343 (8:34:42) 08:23 lol bhaak 08:24 stenno: granted, he was using Google Groups' interface. :) 08:25 janis should just come to irc 08:26 -!- mariari has joined #evilhack 08:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 994 points, T:2638, killed by a dwarf queen 08:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Mal Una), 31081 points, T:11750, killed by a blast of frost 08:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 24 points, T:25, killed by a pseudodragon 08:29 i would disagree, Imanity, I've had plenty of unpreventable deaths in evilhack -- getting arch-liched before any source of mr is available (lots of deaths related to not being able to acquire mr or refl in time), etc. you can mitigate against them but not proof. i've also had fully kitted characters get screwed in non-preventable ways. it isn't frequent though if you're cautious 08:29 New way to start scum: Throw booze at pet and let him kill you xD 08:30 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 08:31 morning o/ 08:31 Perhaps krm26. Feels like the more I play, the more I understand about how to prevent deaths. Like in my best run, I should've used my scrolls of genocide to get yellow dragon scales before facing quest mob 08:31 o/ 08:31 morning \o 08:31 I'm sure there are bs deaths, but I haven't encountered any more in evilhack than vanilla 08:32 oh the bs deaths in evilhack are what make it fun. vanilla is very close to being deterministic 08:33 Ye 08:33 i never get to a point in evilhack where there isn't something that can derail me. in vanilla 80% of the play time is spent invulnerable 08:33 (to be fair, i feel that way after playing it for decades) 08:34 In evilhack I feel constantly uneasy compared to vanilla where it's more of a relaxed "don't fall asleep" 08:34 unspoiled vanilla felt very like evilhack feels now when i was initially playing it 08:34 it's still so crazy to me that you actually beat vanilla without spoilers 08:34 many many people have done that 08:35 evilhack = anxietyhack 08:35 and i was by no means the fastest 08:35 xD 08:35 yeah but it doesn't make it any less impressive :P 08:35 and remember i didn't even make my 6 month anniversary trying to take on evilhack unspoiled 08:35 i was begging k2 to drop me hints in this channel 08:36 or rather, every like 10th curse word he would give me a new hint 08:36 lol 08:36 bhaak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbBiXPVKuTA&t=85s 08:36 I could never play unspoiled because I'm a sucker for well-written wiki articles 08:36 the nerdiest guilty pleasure of them all 08:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:3, killed by trying to drink molten lava 08:36 hah 08:37 please refrain from drinking the lavs 08:37 *lava 08:37 I saw a spellbook of confuse monster 08:37 then knew it must be done xD 08:37 if I had gone off on Janis, bhaak would be 'k2 is such a n00b losing his temper, so unprofessional' 08:38 start scumming :O 08:38 dance monkey, dance 08:38 Yeah, I'm nowhere near good enough to beat evilhack without identify yet. Maybe on my second ascension 08:40 I'll admit to start scumming if my char has abysmal stats or gear 08:40 like no I am not playing a hobbit with 12 constitution who the hell do you think I am 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:614 (0:06:32) 08:40 i actually wish there were random elements for every starting role like the much-missed arch pickaxe lottery because i LOVE start scumming 08:41 reminds me of rolling up character stats in early games like oub and avatar and dnd 08:42 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:43 K2: :) sometimes, you can't win 08:43 its a dog eat dog world out there... and i'm wearing milkbone underwear 08:44 and as I said, I wasn't entertained :) 08:44 booo/hiss 08:44 Loggers is tirring up the pot a bit 08:45 *stirring 08:45 i'm getting caught up 08:45 but more importantly, did you do the dishes last night K2? 08:45 I DID 08:45 \o/ 08:45 woooo 08:46 alignment record boosted 08:47 [14:15] Loggers_VIII put quite the burn down. "I'm going to stop using this annoying outdated form of communication now" they said and went back to IRC 08:47 ah, dammit. can 08:47 Loggers_VIII can't you stay on! 08:47 hahah 08:47 mind to mind direct comms when 08:47 talking/writing is so outdated 08:47 not anytime soon 08:48 but maybe AI enhanced speech input. 08:48 i wish janis would just join this channel already 08:49 I do wonder how I would react to a real arena fight. probably the same as a soccer game. going with a feeling of watching a barbaric spectacle and finally being rallied up anyway. 08:49 watching a boxing match is already almost too cruel for me 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Bar Gia Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:12925 (4:23:41) 08:54 i'm sooo confused! why would a giant with no source orf refelection or mr take the tool sokoban reward 09:02 hmmm do not like having 3 random dragons on my quest portal level 09:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 14 points, T:56, killed by a jackal 09:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Crom, on T:40162 (9:16:28) 09:06 krm26 Isn't that 3 free chances at scale mail? 09:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 229 points, T:531, killed by Gollum 09:06 Gia 09:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) murdered Hecubus, her faithful lesser homunculus, on T:32 (0:00:16) 09:08 Your lamp is now on. Kaablamm! You hear an explosion in the distance! 09:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:08 Good ol butterfly effect xD 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3453 points, T:2297, killed by a goblin-captain called Abaneu of Goruza 09:13 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:15 bhaak lucky for you I read logs "[14:15] Loggers_VIII put quite the burn down. "I'm going to stop using this annoying outdated form of communication now" they said and went back to IRC" 09:17 I am done with janis and his sillyness 09:17 n00b 09:17 he wrote like four paragraphs on why pressing spacebar making you choke is bad and it doesn't even do that 09:18 I think he just cant handle change very well 09:19 who knows 09:19 none of it matters unless bhaak is entertained 09:19 True xD 09:19 imanity there wasn't even a change!!! it's an imaginary bogeyman change >:( 09:19 I hope I was entertaining 09:19 !tell terrapin thanks for the infidel crowning bits 09:19 I'm on it, K2. 09:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:21 K2: what about toxic gas traps like in shattered pixel dungeon! 09:21 it has a couple of very fun traps, including a disarming one that teleports your wielded weapon onto a random square in the level 09:24 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Cen Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:10247 (2:58:44) 09:25 i'm not looking to add new trap atm 09:25 *traps 09:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3242 (0:30:18) 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Cen Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:10272 (3:01:14) 09:27 k2: weird thrown-autopickup effect -- throw boulder, boulder gets zapped into rocks, you autopickup the rocks. this can have deleterious effects :-) 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Cen Fem Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:10272 (3:01:22) 09:27 neat 09:27 feature! 09:28 ship it 09:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4293 points, T:3878, killed by an ape 09:33 YASI: tourist trap, takes all of your gold but only if you're a tourist 09:34 boo/hiss 09:34 not balanced 09:35 if we add pistols and machine guns, that'll make things balanced 09:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) destroyed Kas, on T:59914 (1 day, 13:28:19) 09:36 grenades are needed for evilhack to become perfect 09:36 (they are balanced because they are in slash'em) 09:36 k2, also light sabers 09:37 implement these or you hate constructive criticism :P 09:37 lol 09:37 also change food prompts so you can choke more aesy 09:37 easy 09:37 xD 09:38 fuck it, just choke everytime you eat 09:38 evilhack becomes what it sounds like and just implements all of the evil patch ideas 09:39 object property "of choking" that if you eat while under its effect you die 09:40 new item: spacebar, always generated cursed, makes it so that when you press space at food prompts you say yes 09:40 oh woops I just changed my password to something weird 09:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "blessed fixed +2 oilskin toque", on T:59964 (1 day, 13:34:15) 09:41 mobileuser no grease? 09:42 greased oilskin 09:42 slex has some great traps! :b 09:43 arghhhh aphrodite on level 5 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 6794 points, T:4699, quit 09:45 that's always fun 09:45 just get nekkid with her 09:47 you know what'll really make the game balanced, removing aphrodite 09:49 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Sam Dwa Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:1131 (0:05:27) 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Sam Dwa Mal Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2018 (0:09:08) 09:56 This has to be the dumbest pseudodragon I've ever had 09:57 Ignores the bag he can lift up and keeps going after the same items 10:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3057 (0:29:17) 10:03 I cant wait to turn this dumbass into a worm 10:03 A purple worm but still a worm :D 10:11 if we add pistols and machine guns, that'll make things balanced <-- YES!!! 10:12 euurgh 10:12 not a thing :) 10:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Bar Gia Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17218 (5:45:38) 10:29 Imanity, your screenshot in the other channel 10:29 Ye XD 10:29 it still looks like your putty terminal size is too small 10:29 Oh, probably. I tried increasing but always reverts to 80/24 10:30 do you have a profile saved for connecting to hdf-eu? 10:30 I think so. Let me check 10:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:41102 (10:24:02) 10:32 Isn't loading. I'll try creating a new one 10:32 isnt loading? 10:33 do you still have current session open? 10:33 Yeah, tried changing it to 80/25 and gives me an error message sound, with no error message 10:34 save your game and exit out of putty if you dont mind 10:34 Done, trying to change it on putty config 10:34 right 10:34 so you start putty, you see the putty config window, right? 10:34 Ye 10:34 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Sam Dwa Mal Law), 3343 points, T:3393, killed by a dust vortex 10:34 I have a preset saved session for nethack I usually use 10:35 ok great 10:35 highlight that, but dont open it 10:35 Ok 10:35 hit the load button on the right 10:35 Done 10:35 on the left, hightlight 'window' 10:35 *highlight 10:35 ye 10:36 set columns for 80, rows to 25 10:36 done 10:36 SAVE 10:36 on the left top, now highlight 'session' 10:36 then click 'save' button on right 10:36 Did that, and it saved fine 10:36 perfect 10:37 go ahead and fire it up 10:37 But now clicking open gives the error sound 10:37 huh 10:37 I'll try opening a new connection via putty 10:38 which version of putty are you using? it'd have to be fairly new or you wouldnt even be able to connect... 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] LoggersSnail (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 908 points, T:469, killed by a bolt of cold 10:38 Release 0.78 10:38 good 10:41 The error definitely seems to be due to changing from 80/24 to 80/25. Just tried with a fresh session 10:41 If only the error message appeared instead of an error sound xd 10:42 that's odd 10:48 I've uploaded a video in discord 10:48 But sounds like an issue to take up with Putty devs 10:48 I'll contact them tonight 10:48 ok 10:49 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had a stone two-handed sword entrusted to her by Set, on T:18743 (6:22:11) 10:49 How are you saving the setting after you change it? 10:49 (please don't waste Simon's time with this unless it's unequivocally a bug) 10:50 By clicking save on my session. I uploaded a video to #nethackvariants on discord 10:50 yeah it looks like you blanked out the address to connect to 10:50 this is why its beeping at you 10:50 That video shows you with it set to 80x24 10:51 once you have a session saved, all you have to do is load it 10:51 I change it to 80/25 towards the end 10:51 Imanity yeah at the end there it looks like you saved over nethack3 session with a blank address 10:51 Oh, I see 10:52 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 10:54 Think it's solved. Put two terminals next to eachother, and the back one appears to be one row longer 10:54 I largely fixed my commit practices by a process of yelling "god damn it, past me" 10:54 Er, ECHAN 10:58 :) 10:58 Imanity yay 11:08 heya qt. any new stories about the doggos today? 11:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Mon Cen Fem Cha) had a helm of brilliance entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:13899 (4:40:12) 11:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:6415 (1:05:39) 11:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4850 points, T:6512, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 11:17 hey, not really -- they're just chilling 11:18 they are sleeping out in the sun right now 11:18 nice 11:19 the poor english bulldog was rescued from some abusive home and she gets really scared whenever I take off my belt 11:19 apparently same thing with my dad too 11:19 :( 11:19 from what you said yesterday - when it gets hot here sometimes, our dogs will hang out under the deck. nice and shaded and the dirt there stays cool 11:19 you have anything like that at your folks house? 11:19 and :( 11:20 as long as I have a kid in the house, i'll never get a rescue dog. you have no idea their history and what they might flip out on 11:21 i've had three different friends have their kids injured (one seriously) because of the temperment of a rescue dog they got and they didnt know or were lied to 11:21 (about its experiences and behavior) 11:21 not really, the house is raised up on those little short brick stilts (like this https://64parishes.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/3721.jpg) but there's fencing between them. 11:21 yeah that makes sense, feel bad for those poor dogs :/ 11:22 so horrible to abuse a dog 11:22 special place in hell for dog abusers 11:22 why abuse a creature that would love you unconditionally if you'd just let it? smh 11:23 ikr 11:23 brb 11:45 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:47 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 12:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:32 wewp 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:87748 (1 day, 5:05:13) 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:87749 (1 day, 5:05:23) 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2528 points, T:2933, killed by a magic missile, while praying 13:50 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 13:56 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Ith Mal Una), 4327 points, T:3887, killed by a bolt of cold 14:30 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:545 (0:05:04) 14:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:50 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una) destroyed willisllama's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:1623 (0:14:38) 14:57 qt when you have time, we need your help on a couple evilhack bugs 14:58 * K2 wonders if qt will become a dog person from his dog-sitting experience 14:59 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:05 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 15:22 K2: sorry I had been doing laundry and internet here is not very consistent, I just saw your message came in before I got dc'ed, what's up? 15:23 no worries, i know you're kinda busy fending off the mutant attack pugs 15:23 I'm already a dog person, with regards to my fursona 15:23 wait you have a dog already? back home? 15:23 i thought you just had the roomies cat 15:24 my fursona is called Blake the Golden Retriever, he's buff and has ten-pack abs and is always up to have fun ;) 15:24 lol 15:24 YESSS 15:24 no I don't have a dog 15:24 :/ 15:24 I like dogs though 15:24 bourbon would be wary of you for about 10 sec and then become your new best friend 15:24 I'm not like a "cat person, hates dogs" or anything 15:24 ozzy will go out of his way to avoid you 15:25 heh 15:25 anyways 15:25 does ozzy not like strangers? or he would just avoid me in particular 15:25 he's extremely skittish of ppl he does not know 15:25 i can sympathize 15:26 so what's the mystery evilhack bug? 15:26 even people he does know but hasnt seen in a long time, he acts that way, although not as badly 15:26 ah yeah 15:26 the big one is this - https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/EvilHack#L14 15:26 lines 14-16 15:29 terrapin made some discoveries, curious what you think 15:29 yeah that sounds like use of the mplayer permonst instead of r_data 15:33 hmm 15:35 mk_mplayer() ? 15:35 it shouldn't be replaced across the board with `sed -E -i '' 's/m(on|tmp)->data/r_data(m\1)/g' src/*.c include/*.h` like terrapin seems to have tried, because there are definitely still places that need to use the real base data 15:36 I would try to identify the source of each specific issue and targeted replace m->data with r_data(m) in that particular location 15:37 e.g. the sear damage one, probably replace mon->data in mondata.c:383 with r_data(mon) 15:38 the if (hates_material(mon->data, material)) bit 15:39 yeah 15:40 bad code inherited from vanilla that has since been reverted is bigly responsible for this too 15:40 bigly 15:40 see 580c5a6e99 in 3.7 15:40 explains the issue there which is a major contributor to these problems 15:41 ah hell 15:41 i incorporated that change 15:42 from 690e072 15:42 yay 15:42 the racial_foo macros that evilhack has avoid this problem so it actually isn't as bad as it used to be 15:42 brb boss calling me 15:42 a lot of the raw is_race got replaced 15:43 yeah 15:44 but yeah the usage of is_demon in msummon() and is_elf/is_demon in hates_material() are the reason for the two examples mentioned on the etherpad 15:44 I'd say initially you could just try targeting those two cases like https://termbin.com/w983 15:45 testing now 15:51 yeah this is Good™ 15:52 thanks qt, and for confirming what terrapin found 15:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "blessed spellbook of acid blast", on T:61062 (1 day, 14:52:06) 15:52 i wonder where else this needs to be changed 15:52 i think you mentioned this way way back when you made the r_data() function 15:52 that there would be places it needed to be added 15:53 -!- chao has joined #evilhack 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:7387 (1:12:02) 15:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:56 i should probably do the changes in 580c5a6e99 I imagine 16:00 -!- d[-_-]b has joined #evilhack 16:02 -!- chao has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) destroyed Vecna, on T:61233 (1 day, 15:00:49) 16:03 The Hand muhahah! 16:04 \o/ 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una) destroyed LoggersSnail's ghost, the former Novice, on T:8380 (1:23:11) 16:07 K2: if you're going to do that, you will probably need to grep for is_(elf|dwarf|gnome|orc|human|centaur|tortle|illithid|demon) and look for any places where they seem to rely on the player's race being evaluated 16:08 yeah 16:08 will be some work but it really should be done 16:08 and then use `maybe_polyd(is_elf(youmonst.data), Race_if(PM_ELF))`, etc, there instead (or `racial_elf`) 16:09 time for a new macro! 16:09 those racial_foo macros probably work best as a drop-in except that you need access to the monst * instead of the permonst * 16:09 is_REALLY_elf 16:09 so it can require some refactoring and sometimes it's not possible to use them 16:11 yup 16:12 i may look at what could use ptr = r_data(m) instead of m->data first 16:12 this will take awhile 16:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:28 you only really need to do it in cases where the race should be significant difference 16:28 s/ difference$// 16:29 -!- d[-_-]b is now known as stenno 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una) destroyed the invisible nabru's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:10008 (1:51:11) 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:49901 (14:43:05) 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:49903 (14:43:08) 16:43 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 16:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) became Crom's Envoy of Balance, on T:50443 (14:48:37) 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) murdered her faithful incubus, on T:88138 (1 day, 5:25:15) 16:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) genocided alhoons, on T:61236 (1 day, 15:01:48) 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) completed her quest without incident, on T:51488 (14:59:44) 17:14 -!- entrez has joined #evilhack 17:16 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:16 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1030 (0:08:15) 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Crom, on T:52405 (15:34:34) 17:33 -!- entrez is now known as qt 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 67721 points, T:21259, killed by an ogre, while sleeping 17:50 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 18:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of drain resistance", on T:24267 (12:12:22) 18:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) murdered her faithful pit fiend, on T:89362 (1 day, 6:24:32) 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) murdered her faithful lich, on T:89363 (1 day, 6:24:52) 18:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:89423 (1 day, 6:28:54) 18:51 -!- Gutso has joined #evilhack 18:52 hey guys! just killed Demogorgon and she dropped some named gems (hear of Cassanova and eye of hera). Are they just lore thingies or do they actually have some use? 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) murdered her faithful steam vortex, on T:89498 (1 day, 6:34:19) 18:58 @e?[heart of cassanova] 18:58 No such monster. 19:00 Pretty sure those are just named gems 19:01 Umbire Thanks. Is there a way to lookup objects with hecubus, or just monsters? 19:01 Just monsters. 19:01 thanks again 19:02 artifact lookup is a thing that's been discussed, but ultimately it's probably just better to put arti stuff in the encyclopedia 19:02 not that these gems appear to be artifacts 19:02 actually dnh might have arti lookup 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) murdered his faithful bone devil, on T:89559 (1 day, 6:47:44) 19:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) killed the invisible Aphrodite, on T:53314 (16:03:45) 19:52 dammit yet another vorpal horror 19:52 -!- Gutso has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:52 does vorpal blade actually protect against beheading in evil? i remember somebody mentioning that 20:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 20:17 krm26 it does now 20:18 interesting 20:18 you have to wield it 20:19 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:19 i'm not sure i like that (not the wielding, the ability). i mean, you can already autokill (most) beheaders with it 20:19 if you don't miss 20:19 only jabberwock types 20:20 is there anything else that beheads, except for potentially horrors? 20:20 who knows, there may be more sources of vorpal attacks in the future 20:20 just vorpal blade, vorpal jabberwocks, and shamblers that get the ability 20:20 i want a special artifat helmet that beheads anything that tries to eat my brains! 20:21 *snkk* 20:21 i should create vorpal giant locusts 20:21 for teh lulz 20:21 sigh, down to Medusa and no stethoscope 20:21 brb food/star trek show 20:22 cant wait for strange new worlds 20:22 i mean, i like all the tng actors in anything cuz i'm old, but strange new worlds is the real tng/ds9 sequel 20:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:57455 (17:24:30) 21:07 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:16 -!- Gutso has joined #evilhack 21:19 -!- Gutso has quit [Client Quit] 21:26 prequel? its way in the past 21:26 but yeah i like that series too 21:26 season 3 of 'picard' isnt as good as i had hoped. its alright but i was expecting better 21:26 maybe the writers changed 21:40 terrapin you here? 21:40 perfect timing! as of two minutes ago, yes 21:40 terrapin: Message from K2 at 2023-03-30 09:19 EDT: thanks for the infidel crowning bits 21:40 cool 21:41 so you were correct about using r_data() to fix things. qt confirmed 21:41 oh neat 21:41 this fixes the behavior seen so far (infidels and player monster infidels summoning, and hated material stuff) - https://termbin.com/v60d 21:42 before i commit though, i'm going to go through what else should be changed and what doesnt 21:42 and this leads to another changed that needs to occur 21:42 *change 21:42 you can see what we discussed in backscroll 21:43 switching to racial macros? 21:43 yeah 21:44 i need to do this also https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/580c5a6e994afbe538c49053ebba5a4b14f92a89 21:44 i added 3.7 commit 690e072, that reverts it 21:44 and is the cause of some of what we're seeing 21:51 huh 22:03 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Dramborleg bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4487 (0:38:06) 22:06 there wa sonly one other place i saw that looked like r_data(m) should used in place of m->data 22:06 weapon.c 22:06 https://termbin.com/md1a 22:07 where race would be a factor 22:07 elves vs orcs to-hit and such? 22:08 some demon/angel bits there too 22:20 -!- botifico has joined #evilhack 22:20 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/8c5b545a3b5f...d538de651257 22:20 [EvilHack] k21971 d538de6 - Fix: player monsters inheriting race flags from the player. 22:38 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:7733 (1:13:37) 22:46 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:7993 (1:20:59) 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:8751 (1:31:22) 23:07 [EvilHack] saltwaterterrapin forked the repository - https://github.com/saltwaterterrapin 23:12 [hdf-us] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6929 points, T:9551, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 23:52 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:22081 (12:07:56)