00:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 739 points, T:1888, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 01:01 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:17 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 01:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 03:27 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:01 I dont get janis issue with eating a giant rat corpse and get you cannibal on a tortle. I tried it in hackem and evilhack (including sewer rats) and didnt get that message 04:01 starting to even feel like "was it a wererat?" 04:01 but janis is experienced so shouldnt be 04:01 but mindslips happen to all of us 04:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:09 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 05:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Abdlabl (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1056 points, T:1887, killed by an orc zombie 06:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1795 (0:11:53) 06:04 k2, you might want to reply to janis post about tortle cannibalism :) (I couldnt replicate the cannibalism and you are the evil mastermind of evilhack) :D 06:05 also I think that janis really should be on irc since it would probably be an easy way to lower their issues with evilhack since most seems to be misinterpreting stuff (I know the irc channel was mentioned in the posts on rgrn) 06:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "E", on T:3001 (0:22:56) 06:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4776 points, T:4764, killed by a giant mosquito 06:35 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 06:37 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 06:51 YANI: When idenifying a shopkeeper's piece of worthless glass, they'll get angry at being exposed as a fraud 06:51 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 07:06 angry like... murder you? 07:06 Yes xD 07:06 or at least try to 07:07 and then all watchmen will attack the shopkeeper for attempted murder? :) 07:07 ...? 07:07 Yendor's anti-fraud league xD 07:08 Umbire Said this before you joined: YANI: When idenifying a shopkeeper's piece of worthless glass, they'll get angry at being exposed as a fraud 07:09 11:51:28 < Imanity> YANI: When idenifying a shopkeeper's piece of worthless glass, they'll get angry at being exposed as a fraud 07:09 ahh you posted it already :) 07:09 I am too slow today 07:13 oh no! It wasn't a bad dream, a polytrap really did reduce my max HP from 102 to 66 :( 07:13 Sadge 07:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4601 (0:52:12) 07:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4848 (0:56:17) 07:33 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6215 (1:14:14) 07:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Con Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:28752 (9:37:09) 07:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 5698 points, T:6381, killed by Mr. Inuvik; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 07:53 Shopkeeper gets in the way of my spell. So annoying 07:53 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:338 (0:01:48) 08:06 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 882 points, T:3758, killed by a wererat 08:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Tou Gno Mal Neu), 21 points, T:241, killed by a little dog 08:43 -!- Graznop is now known as Guest2724 08:43 -!- Graznop_ has joined #evilhack 08:43 -!- Graznop_ is now known as Graznop 08:47 -!- Guest2724 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:01 -!- Graznop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3666 (0:24:50) 09:10 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 09:18 -!- Imanity has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:20 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 09:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:6236 (0:43:20) 09:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 490 points, T:1315, killed by the Goblin King 09:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4958 points, T:7229, killed by a giant spider 09:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 665 points, T:1399, killed by a giant bat 09:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Con Hum Fem Cha) stole 12683 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Aklavik's general store, on T:29531 (10:29:30) 10:09 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 10:12 cbus yeah i think the only way you'd get the cannibal msg eating a rat is if you were infected with lycanthropy 10:14 cbus over the years i've learned that there are several nethack player that do not care for irc, or use it sparingly at best. many prefer using email/forum only 10:14 and that's fine 10:15 'This sewer rat corpse tastes okay. You cannibal! You will regret this!' 10:15 yeah that only happened after I became infected 10:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3780 (0:34:05) 10:28 i replied 10:39 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:45 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 5899 points, T:6001, killed by a dwarf lady 11:22 still haven't any holy water for my Infidel and I'm already quite deep into the dungeon 11:23 I'm whining about it here, because I understand RNG listens sometimes 11:24 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1822 points, T:3112, killed by a flint stone 11:29 is this a hack'em game mobileuser? 11:29 no, evilhack 11:30 📡 11:30 ^ dish 11:30 I just angered a priest by accident, bastard is summoning nasty stuff 11:30 kill him. kill him dead 11:33 since when do priests summon undead in evilhack 11:34 chaotic/unaligned do 11:34 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/6ae7ef11718b69c7da8db4bd72471237a82d452e 11:40 "Saw this monster spell added to Hack'EM" lol 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) completed his quest without incident, on T:68193 (16:45:00) 11:43 yeah 11:43 i liked it. and changed it 11:44 pfff this is getting ridiculous, gonna bail here 11:46 K2 is this intended? I;m already well away from the temple, but undead creatures keep getting summoned around me 11:49 hmm ok, the misery seems to have stopped now that I'm further away 11:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:68548 (16:54:06) 11:50 btw, for a more advanced character this looks like a way to farm wraiths 11:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2747 (0:21:18) 11:51 (bbl) 11:57 the summoning, its no different than having insects summoned on you as far as range goes 11:58 i dont think you'd want to use an angry priest for wraith farming, that's asking for trouble 12:07 bbl 12:17 I feel like I saw the sanctum priest summon undead around me out of line of sight once 12:23 -!- Gutso has joined #evilhack 12:25 hi guys! happy saturday! random question: just noticed in the bottom of screen with all the other parameters and "S:" with a bunch of numbers that scale as i kill monsters. What does the number represent? is it kills? points? 12:26 It's your score, you must have showscore on 12:27 oh. Thanks. 12:28 not that score is really important for much 12:28 in fact I recommend turning it off so that you can see important statuses 12:29 Yup. turned it off. was cluttery. 12:29 Thank you for the info! 12:36 oh wait, I forgot, in evilhack S: actually means 'swag points' 12:37 they're very good to have because the more swag points you have the nicer everyone is to you 12:38 ooooh, I wonder who's got the most ;p 12:38 -!- Gutso has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:44 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:46 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 12:48 [backscroll] One thing I noticed in evil was that spellcasters can cast summon nasties through walls 13:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:12703 (2:08:24) 13:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 16362 points, T:13422, killed by an ettin mummy 14:04 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3467 (0:26:42) 14:40 -!- botifico has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Con Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:34463 (12:55:26) 14:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4404 (0:35:28) 14:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4212 points, T:5179, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Mal Una) killed Croesus, on T:71319 (17:57:36) 15:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Abdlabl (Kni Hum Fem Law), 958 points, T:1353, killed by a mountain dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 15:37 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40 shambling horror was killed, but not showing in pokedex :-( 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Abdlabl (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Abdlabl the human zombie, and former Esquire, on T:1813 (0:12:24) 15:55 I don't suppose you were around Vlad's Tower at the time? 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Abdlabl (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:3215 (0:20:07) 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Abdlabl (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3741 (0:23:29) 16:08 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 16:13 what did you break mobileuser 16:13 :P 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Abdlabl (Kni Hum Fem Law), 8960 points, T:6821, killed by a piranha 16:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 165 points, T:775, killed by a boulder 16:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:4 (0:00:11) 16:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 40 points, T:4, killed by a bolt of cold 16:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Con Hum Fem Cha) stole 4201 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kinojevis' general store, on T:41843 (14:47:44) 16:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Gia Mal Una) had a gold shield of reflection entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:28857 (14:01:41) 16:44 K2 it was probably because some winter wolf got in the kill in the end 16:48 ah makes sense 16:49 but it did some horrible things to me before I stepped back and dropped a boulder 16:51 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 16:52 kayso, I've reached the vibrating square level without encountering several demon princes including Demogorgon 16:52 I'm guessing new surprises lie in wait... 16:54 have you seen the new setup with Lucifer in the sanctum yet elemirie? 16:54 * elenmirie 16:54 nope not yet 16:55 care to enlighten me? 16:55 yeah hopefully other players can contribute too? 16:55 so once the get the amulet, the stairs will go away 16:56 to the left there will be portal if you kill Lucifer there 16:56 Lucifer starts asleep, but will wake up if you move next to him 16:56 if you encountered a demon lord earlier on, its possible they were the ones chosen for that demon boss level, meaning it wont have a demon boss 16:56 so Lucifer appears once you get the amulet? 16:57 He's always there, just sleeping and impossible to wake, I think. 16:57 not sure how a demon prince didnt show though, those cant be summoned by other demons 16:57 not until you've encountered one already 16:57 was it a bones level? 16:57 no 16:58 I haven't encountered Baalzebub or Demogorgon 16:58 the game chooses randomly 16:58 or I think Geryon 16:58 you don't meet all bosses 16:58 How about Asmodeus/Tiamat/Graz'zt? 16:58 ah i see the confusion 16:58 I killed Asmo, Orcus and Jubies 16:58 yup 16:59 asmo was promoted to prince status 16:59 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Gehennom 17:00 elemirie there is room for a boulder fort next to Lucifer if you want to cheese it 17:00 biggest danger is his fire attack. and 666 HP to beat. 17:01 after the portal there are 2 more Purgatory levels 17:01 right, so I'm gonna die 17:01 one thing I found nice was that you can now drop the Amulet in the sanctum without it teleporting away 17:01 hm 17:02 samurai with disintegration sword? 17:02 how much HP do you have? 17:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3380 (0:21:50) 17:03 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #evilhack 17:03 no spellcasting, I mostly use my head to knock down doors 17:03 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 17:03 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 17:04 if you're lucky the disintegration happens before the potion of paralysis wears off 17:05 I have 8 potions of paralysis in my bag 17:05 been saving them 17:06 You can boulder fort from two squares below him, and break the boulder to the left. With no stairs to flee to, Lucifer will mostly stick to that square but no other monsters can reach it. You can paralyze him (if you like) and wack him until he dies 17:07 useful strategy, thanks! 17:08 or first put some silver arrows through his butt 17:08 he doesn't like silver? 17:08 * elenmirie buffs up a stack of silver shuriken 17:08 same as every demon 17:09 @e?lucifer 17:09 Lucifer (&) | Lvl: 110 | Diff: 66 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire shock poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 99 | Gen: unique | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw wither, 8d8 cast fire, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis, silverhate 17:09 oh silver shuriken are excellent 17:09 at least use those before breaking the fort 17:09 sure, of course, my Grays off-hand weapon has been a great help 17:10 yeah, ok mobileuser, got it 17:10 :-) 17:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4332 (0:29:43) 17:10 I knew I've been lugging those around for a reason 17:14 Certainly that's a good strategy, although I think that there is a possible argument to be made for breaking the fort and paralyzing him immediately---Lucifer can summon scary stuff, including shades, and, if you're up against a wall, sometimes teleports behind that wall where you can't attack him, plus he can heal. 17:15 actually, maybe just ghosts, I can't recall. Point is, the fort won't be perfect 17:19 got it, thanks terrapin 17:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 3182 points, T:5432, killed by a magic missile 17:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Gia Mal Una) became the Emissary of Moloch, on T:29751 (14:27:45) 17:45 muhahah 17:46 still no holy water though... 17:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1252 points, T:2563, killed by a warg 18:13 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 18:17 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:33 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3064 (0:45:22) 18:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3204 (0:46:46) 19:07 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:26 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:39 -!- Imanity has joined #evilhack 19:39 Does putting a zombie corpse into a BoH prevent reviving? That's what it says for trolls 19:42 I think it could? I've never tried it 19:42 I usually get a BoH when I already have another disposal method available 19:43 Yeah, been locking them in boxes to great success 19:44 He hasn't revived in a while, so I assume BoH work too 19:51 Just got the message you feel less hassled. So definitely works 19:52 I see 19:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 19:54 allo 19:54 got a convict question; can you destroy the iron ball's chain with the forge and hammer in goblin town 19:55 You absolutely can 19:55 I've done it once 19:55 takes a bit tho 19:56 that alleviates some of the worries I had about the early game 19:56 their weapon skills kind of suck though hm 19:57 I guess stormbringer is good 19:58 ah nice I uncursed the shirt early on 20:03 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:56688 (18:02:52) 20:04 I forget off the top what their weapon skills are 20:05 the ones that are the most noteworthy are expert club skilled hammer and skilled broadsword 20:06 skilled dagger too which is ok 20:06 yeah aklyses are primo in their hand 20:06 hands* 20:07 yep 20:07 I've got a very lucky start with an armor shop :) 20:07 good, good 20:07 you weren't seen with that shirt I'd hope 20:07 nope 20:08 I'm going for early goblin town so I can hopefully get rid of this stupid ball 20:08 maybe make a broadsword of some kind 20:09 I kept the iron ball for a bit, even when unpunished 20:09 and Luck Blade is great 20:10 I'm playing illithid so the weight isn't manageable for the ball, even though it is a pretty good missile 20:10 yeah luck blade is much better than in other variants because it's a broadsword 20:11 It's decent in other variants I think but yeah 20:11 honestly I'd probably find a way to unironically use the QA if I got far enough 20:12 I'm currently dual weaponing Luck Blade and a silver aklys, all at skilled 20:12 oh two weapon combat at skilled is badass 20:12 I've played only roles with either no or basic skill in twoweaponing that should prove to be fun 20:13 it's a nice change from healer! 20:14 I've never gotten very far with a healer, I oughta try 20:14 they've got a decently different early game that I haven't devoted enough time to learning 20:15 -!- malor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16 healer is fun 20:16 I found the challenge more to be damage output in the late game, esp. Rodney 20:17 or should I say *stard double trouble magic resistant rodneys... 20:17 were you not using the staff? It should be great against rodney 20:18 double damage plus you drain his level 20:18 so long as he doesn't steal it 20:18 ah that's right 20:19 yeah double trouble's a bit annoying 20:19 not really a problem in the dungeon, where upstairs can be used 20:20 I hate it on the sanctum 20:20 on the Plains though... 20:20 I had three sanctum deaths in a week to double trouble 20:21 that's when I decided to give in and make a habit of farming for SoA every run 20:21 I crunched the numbers, Sword of Annihilation is your friend! 20:23 that 10% disintegration chance is just too good to pass up 20:23 I thought it was 12.5%? 20:24 it might be, I probably just rounded it down in my head 20:24 and a one-in-twelve chance for Rodders to cast double trouble 20:24 that's something I'm curious about 20:25 is the chance for him to cast it on you the same as when he casts it on a monster? 20:25 you are probably right, I'm probably adding 2.5% for black DSM... 20:25 I see no reason for it to be different but I had a game where whenever I killed one he would instantly clone himself without even attacking me, don't know what was going on there 20:26 he's just a git 20:26 I don't know why he was attacking other monsters even lol 20:27 I remember I checked where he was with telepathy once and he was messing with some random monster, then cloned himself 20:27 Covetous behavior? 20:27 Displacement? 20:27 Grudge? 20:27 you know, I wonder if he grudges zombies 20:27 maybe he's just a git 20:27 More than likely Loggers 20:27 he is definitely a git 20:27 Zombies grudge all living monsters so 20:28 that might be why he kept cloning himself in the sanctum then, lots of zombies being summoned down there 20:30 Can I convert the unaligned altars in the Orc level of the mines? 20:30 yes 20:30 Nice 20:30 that's the best mine's end, lucky you 20:31 Would be a shame to waste all these corpses 20:31 What makes it so good? 20:31 buncha altars obviously, plus a secret room with nice chest loot and a balrog figurine 20:31 Ooh 20:31 can easily get crowned for resistances and a free artifact, both of which are harder to come by in evil 20:32 You can teleport to one and lure the monsters there 20:32 there's even convenient water for blanking 20:32 There's also an aligned altar hidden with some iron safes behind a bit of lava 20:32 I always love to see orc temple 20:32 umbire is that secret altar always lawful? 20:33 uhhhhhhhh 20:33 no clue 20:33 lemme check 20:34 the only specification on the altar's alignment is that it isn't yours lol 20:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9011 (2:23:49) 20:36 lol tracks 20:37 if it doesn't include Moloch then it's basically a coinflip 20:43 How do you access the bunch of orcs in the top right on Orc temple? 20:44 Can see all altars, including the one bridged by lava 20:45 there's a secret door from the passages at the bottom 20:46 there's a balrog figurine on the altar in there 20:46 so don't let any @s get in 20:46 Ya that would end my run very sadly xD 20:47 and you may want to uncurse it if you're going to carry it anywhere 20:47 Would that be on the bottom right maze area? Posted a picture in discord 20:47 yes 20:47 Alright 20:47 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 458480 points, T:59789, killed by Kathryn the Ice Queen 20:48 :( 20:48 !lastgame xialg 20:48 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xialg/evilhack/dumplog/1676050112.evil.html 20:48 oof 20:48 oh hey someone actually forged shadowblade 20:49 xialg has my eternal gratitude and respect because he had the kindness to leave a late game ready bones on level seven for me that totally carried my first evil ascension 20:50 xD 20:51 Loggers_VIII: The figurine of Dagul is surrounded by squeaky boards 20:51 Monsters tend to avoid traps 20:51 I've had an elf activate that figurine, it's a very real concern 20:51 but yeah it is unlikely 20:52 I always liked that you could find the real dagul in gehennom though 20:56 wdym o: 20:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful warhorse, on T:9706 (2:46:14) 20:58 like just actual balrogs or like, a named one or something 20:58 Hmm that's not a good sign. Gonna be turned to stone and won't be able to pray 21:00 umbire one of the named balrogs in either sanctum or a demon prince's lair is Dagul 21:00 imanity :( 21:00 Nice nice 21:00 Aw shit, no lizards? 21:00 No acid? 21:00 No way to polymorph into something stone-resistant? 21:00 Nah, think my pets have eaten them all. Don't know acid or poly 21:01 ...pets usually don't eat lizard corpses unless they're hungry 21:01 But for some reason, my god accepted the prayer and can continue 21:01 intelligent ones usually pick them up 21:01 you probably misjudged your prayer timeout 21:01 imanity nice :) 21:02 prayer can be very lenient to very strict sometimes it's a toss-up 21:02 I thought killing a pet would anger my god to make prayers unavailable 21:02 At least for a few hundred turns 21:02 nope, it's just luck and alignment iirc 21:03 if you have high enough luck you'll stay out of the negatives and be able to pray 21:03 -15 alignment is pretty hefty 21:03 Guess I got lucky there 21:03 by the time you're at mines end you've probably killed enough things to be comfortable above twenty alignment 21:04 Just alignment 21:04 wait no, could also be luck 21:04 Let the grind begin again xD 21:04 sometimes I want to switch alignments at minetown and it takes quite a bit of work to get alignment down that far 21:04 For the minetown altar? 21:05 yeah 21:05 it's risky since if you don't immediately convert the priest will kill you 21:05 so I don't recommend doing it 21:05 Maybe after getting the scrolls of earth from Sokoban it'll be safer 21:05 But would be a huge detour 21:06 yeah 21:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3091 (1:11:03) 21:06 https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/c/ckbWPFORfT8 21:06 ^ tell me i'm wrong here 21:07 i dont think i am, but maybe i'm missing something 21:08 I think it's just Janis being Janis xD 21:08 it probably is. but it's starting to wear a lil thin :) 21:08 i am not a 'the customer is always right' kind of person 21:08 Yeah, every comment he says seems to be a criticism 21:08 which is fine 21:09 criticism is fine but janis' criticism usually doesn't make sense to me 21:09 many of the bug fixes in evilhack came about from constructive critisim 21:09 True 21:09 but this particular track doesnt seem constructive 21:09 again, maybe i;m wrong 21:09 if i am please tell me 21:10 i cant spell 'criticism' 21:10 no 21:10 constructive criticism has to be specific to be acted upon, janis usually just alludes to some vague, nebulous sources of frustration without mentioning anything specific 21:11 like he saysyou have to invest a lot of time in identifying equipment, or need to get overly lucky to get advantageous items and properties but the effect of such items is often negligible and cannot be used in dangerous situations 21:12 but this is just not true 21:12 ah well 21:13 * K2 shrugs 21:13 gonna go back to binge watching 'Rome' 21:13 heh 21:14 then work some more on evilhack 21:14 bbl :) 21:14 o/ 21:14 cya 21:14 you're not wrong. but this is vanilla behaviour? if you're a spellcaster anyway, then a HoB won't make much difference? 21:15 well, let's do some math 21:16 like k2 says, a level three healer should be able to cast healing extra healing and stone to flesh with 0% fail with wis of 18 21:17 and janis is likely far past level three since the spell retainment on his initial three spells is 1-10% 21:18 I don't know where I'm going with this, it's obvious he's just wearing metallic armor that's increasing failure chance lol 21:19 If he can't even remember his class, chances are he's misremembering a lot of things 21:19 the wiki explains it well 21:19 but it's non-trivial 21:20 the helm of brilliance is a pretty big boost to spellcasting at +5 yeah 21:20 my priests and wizards can attest to that 21:21 really? i've never found HoB worthwhile for wizards - are you wearing metallic armour? 21:21 imanity yeah that seemed a bit silly to me. First three spells learned at the same time are healing extra healing and stone to flesh? It's not very ambiguous 21:22 graznop it's a bit overkill but it's nice for casting certain high level spells when you aren't at high skill in their school 21:22 it is a noticeable bonus, but by the midgame wizards really shouldn't be failing their spells anyway 21:22 so cornuthaum is better then 21:23 obviously the robe is the best though :) 21:23 Is it feasible for a wizard to craft Staff of the Archmagi for the blanket 50% reduction in failure percentage, then wear pretty much whatever they want? 21:24 yeah 21:24 I mean, maybe not every single slot metallic but it's pretty close 21:24 staff of the archmagi is insane 21:25 not sure about Evilhack, but never found the need for a robe or HoB in vanilla, even as an Orc 21:25 ^ as a wizard! 21:25 yeah for wizard they are redundant, but I though I'd preach the robe dogma a little while I had the chance 21:25 *thought 21:26 deffo - let my healer cast cone of cold! 21:26 Call an ambulance, but not for me :D 21:27 I think my winning tourist got cone of cold down to like 40% or something without a robe or helm of brilliance 21:27 probably more around 50% 21:27 Ooh Tourist caster 21:27 tourists are great casters 21:28 magic mapping, detect treasure, identify, magic missile 21:28 who you tellin' :B 21:28 fair enough :P 21:28 iirc, level 30 elven healer was 6% fail without robe 21:28 heh 21:29 healers are no joke in the spellcasting department 21:29 what frustrates me is that only wizards can get skilled in attack spells 21:29 it's annoying yeah 21:30 but really, what attack spell do you need besides magic missile 21:30 should be a benefit of staves in some way 21:30 I mean you could get a staff of war 21:30 acid, cold? 21:31 cold I can see for demons and rodney 21:31 acid seems like overkill 21:31 acid for those demon lords resistant to cold and fire! 21:32 but yeah, probs overkill 21:32 @e?lucifer 21:32 Lucifer (&) | Lvl: 110 | Diff: 66 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire shock poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 99 | Gen: unique | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw wither, 8d8 cast fire, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis, silverhate 21:32 heh he's weak to cold and acid 21:32 although he can still resist the spell 21:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:33 ach werewolf almost got me 21:34 summoned all his stupid little friends 21:36 whoa what the hell?? 21:36 watch is hostile >:( 21:37 crime doesn't pay! 21:37 that's incredibly annoying 21:37 exacerbated by the watch buffs in evilhack 21:38 Hit someone with a stray wand/projectile? 21:38 Wait you're a convict 21:38 yeah if they see you it's on sight 21:38 key words "see you" 21:39 I'm not risking a stealth mission dealing with their erratic movement :P 21:40 well the good news is I've got good AC, a decent weapon and no ball 21:40 I was gonna suggest invisibility actually lol 21:41 reduces the "mission" aspect down to entering shops and dodging elven watchfolk 21:42 I've already angered a watchman through the ancient process of "trial and error" and he's one step away from the stairs so if I ever go back I need to be prepared to fight at least one 21:42 @e?watchman 21:42 watchman (@) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 10 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: special | AC: 10 | Atk: 2d6 weapon physical, 2d6 weapon physical | Align: -2 | genocidable, omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravis 21:43 actually, if he's speed 10 I'm slightly faster than him 21:43 Don't they follow you down stairs? 21:43 Could take a couple hits and lose him somewhere in the next level 21:43 he'll also follow you up the stairs 21:43 I'm tempted to try and take him upstairs and get out of range so I can kill him with psionic blast 21:44 47 HP and -5 AC seems serviceable for a couple turns next to him 21:44 Unless he has a really strong weapon sounds fine 21:44 yodo 21:47 alright that was fine he's dead 21:47 ooh his small shield was +2 21:47 -8 AC now 21:48 @e?watch captain 21:48 watch captain (@) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 17 | Spd: 10 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 15 | Gen: special | AC: 10 | Atk: 4d5 weapon physical, 3d5 weapon physical | Align: -4 | genocidable, omnivore, nopoly, stalker, infravis 21:49 oh cool I found a magic harp 21:49 perhaps I can make them peaceful 21:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Sam Hum Mal Law), 12 points, T:35, killed by a goblin 21:52 oh that's weird 21:52 if you make one of them peaceful they will re-aggro if they see you again 21:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Gia Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Odin, on T:1075 (0:04:28) 21:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:11083 (3:34:35) 21:58 ooh nice 21:58 Guessing I should look to wish for Secespita, rather than sacrifice? 21:58 do not put it into a bag of holding 21:58 sacrificing won't get you much more, yeah 21:58 Yeah, being incredibly paranoid about that xD 21:59 I once put it into a bag of holding without knowing and it didn't explode, but I often think about how it could've and shudder in terror 21:59 Oof 22:00 eek someone in the mines stepped onto a polytrap and now I've got a mastodon on my hands 22:00 time to do soko I guess 22:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:11096 (3:37:37) 22:00 Wow a dagger. I'm so lucky 22:00 heh 22:00 !whereis imanity 22:00 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] Imanity [evil]: (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) T:10956 The Dungeons of Doom level: 5 22:00 wish it would tell me what level you are 22:01 what level are you? 22:01 9 22:01 I'll probably do the quest soon and eat the double spawn rate. Could really do with my quest artifact 22:01 the double spawn rate isn't even noticeable to me 22:02 I see it as being double death drops :D 22:02 I've done the quest tons of times below level 14 and never really could tell 22:02 exactly :) 22:02 it's a boon more than anything else 22:02 That's a feature vanilla nethack needs. Level 14 to start the quest is way too high 22:03 agreed 22:04 imo you should be able to do the quest at any level, but if there's going to be a restriction 10 is the most reasonable 22:04 doesn't 3.7 let you kill the quest leader before you're level 14? 22:05 Kind of like fountain dipping. As soon as you have poison resistance and can outduel water demons, it becomes viable 22:05 graznop yes 22:05 Graznop You probably can, but suffer with the penalties all game. From what I read they're pretty nasty 22:05 Can confirm 22:06 the killing the quest leader thing is really just to make it so that you can't have an unwinnable game 22:06 ^ 22:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had an alchemy smock entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:11143 (3:44:41) 22:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:7596 (2:12:05) 22:07 orcrist is actually pretty nice for convicts 22:08 free mithril broadsword 22:08 Oh yeah, you can actually use the both of 'em 22:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7613 (2:12:37) 22:08 mithril anything is great when you're a squidface 22:08 for sure 22:08 this puts me at a pretty comfortable place weight-wise 22:09 I might go grab the crystal plate mail that the watch captain dropped 22:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Gia Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "XXX", on T:5413 (0:19:09) 22:11 heh my first convict game of the night is going surprisingly well 22:11 @e?dwarf lord 22:11 No such monster. 22:11 @e?dwarf noble 22:11 dwarf noble (h) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical | Align: 5 | genocidable, omnivore, tunnels, tunnels, infravis 22:11 good luck Loggers! 22:11 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12 dwarves have the most dangerous noble/royal variants since they can wear everything and often roll bonkers enchantments/mats 22:12 Still have PTSD from a dwarf royal sniping me down in the mines 22:13 yeah their enchanted armor reaallly adds up 22:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Gia Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:7956 (0:33:17) 22:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Cha), 19422 points, T:12586, killed by an air elemental 22:32 feck 22:32 !lastgame 22:32 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1679788532.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/parasite/evilhack/dumplog/1679795385.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1679102516.evil.html 22:32 aaargh I coulda used the magic harp 22:32 should've identified that when I had the chance 22:32 Kind of shitty RNG to find one so early in Sokoban 22:33 I had a pretty low sokoban 22:33 that's unfortunate though 22:33 no wand of sleep, my potion of full healing got exploded by freezing sphere 22:34 although I wonder, could I have blinded it? 22:34 should've slowed down a little to think about it 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Cha) permanently converted to lawful, on T:53 (0:00:41) 22:35 huh 22:35 interesting 22:35 How did you do that so early? 22:36 Surely alignment isn't that much of a factor pre 1k turns 22:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Law), 69 points, T:321, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 22:36 imanity I just tried to convert an altar and boom lawful 22:37 Weird 22:37 didn't even have any failed conversion attempts so didn't damage alignment 22:38 convicts start at -10 alignment 22:38 ah 22:39 convicts seem to have a very RNG-dependant start 22:39 *dependent 22:40 after you get some food and get rid of the ball it's not so bad but I think the very start is challenging in a tedious way 22:43 It's not THAT RNG but to a point 22:43 you have a lot of neutral monsters to get corpses from 22:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 stormbringer", on T:1706 (0:06:24) 22:43 not corpses, alignment 22:44 corpses you can get from jackals, coyotes, lichen and goblins 22:44 right 22:46 goblin town is a good beeline for convicts even outside the potential to unpunish yourself 22:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Cha), 677 points, T:2182, killed by a gnome lord, while dragging an iron ball 22:46 !lastgame 22:46 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/evilhack/dumplog/1679798244.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/parasite/evilhack/dumplog/1679795385.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1679102516.evil.html 22:46 wonder what para'd me 22:46 ah, random sleep trap 22:47 A cloud of gas puts you to sleep! 22:47 nice 22:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Ith Mal Cha), 8 points, T:279, killed by a newt 22:49 that's enough silly dungeon game for today I believe 22:49 is sleep time 22:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:49 gn 22:54 okay, I know this happened way earlier today and isn't really important in the grand scheme of things, but it's been bugging me for hours. mobileuser's shambling horror being killed by a winter wolf should still unlock the pokedex, but I can't for the life of me figure out what else could have prevented the info from becoming available 22:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 535746 points, T:41681, poisoned by a locust 23:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:13166 (1:21:03) 23:11 Engulfing mobs are fucking nasty 23:12 Tempted to poly into an unbreathing form asap 23:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:13240 (1:22:13) 23:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 815 points, T:910, killed by a small mimic 23:26 oh it just ran downstairs 23:27 good night, folks! 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 536 points, T:374, killed by a gnome king 23:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a copper dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:15325 (5:17:26)