00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 510381 points, T:31503, killed by Yeenoghu, while paralyzed by a monster 01:02 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 01:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 170 points, T:419, killed by a small mimic 02:13 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 1454 points, T:1346, killed by the Goblin King 02:17 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Ith Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1681 (0:12:23) 02:37 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Ith Mal Una) destroyed the invisible dbanethacker's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2233 (0:20:27) 02:38 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Ith Mal Una), 2816 points, T:2286, killed by a wraith, while sleeping 02:48 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Orc Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1046 (0:09:47) 02:59 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 03:19 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:24 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Orc Mal Una), 5262 points, T:4846, quit 03:33 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:22 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:32 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 04:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:21 -!- mobileuser92 has joined #evilhack 05:21 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:22 -!- mobileuser92 is now known as mobileuser 05:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:36418 (9:13:31) 05:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had a mace entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:37290 (9:26:39) 05:46 I *still* haven't finished reading the evilhack backscroll, gripping stuff again 05:51 damn 05:51 unfortunately my opinion on the wizard needing a double trouble nerf has only been reinforced 05:56 its fiinnnnneeeee 05:56 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:12 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 06:37 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41 -!- rebatela has joined #evilhack 07:03 -!- malor has joined #evilhack 08:09 mobileuser nerf is already in for next version 08:09 dbl trouble odds revert back to normal 08:11 Hi K2, lemme see... 08:12 that's resurrecting odds, not double trouble odds? 08:12 yes 08:12 which affects dbl trouble odds 08:12 thats what i said, resurrect odds 08:12 :P 08:12 heh 08:13 I would go a bit further, something like: the wizard can only use double trouble once per (re)incarnation 08:15 I just noticed I wasn't having fun anymore worrying about a build that can defeat double trouble MR wizard, so at the moment I only play Infidel 08:17 but that makes it easier than vanilla 08:18 nah, in vanilla it's just point wand of death, boom 08:18 putting resurrect odds back to the way they were is enough. plus I made his AC a bit less also 08:19 so a bit easier to whack on 08:19 yeah I'm not saying you should adopt my suggestion, just giving feedback 08:19 ... that sounded wrong 08:19 lol 08:19 mobileuser i know, i love the feedback. it makes me think 08:20 in about 30 min i may have a revelation 08:20 <3 08:20 discussion occurs, and it has to soak in my brain for a bit 08:20 like soaking dishes in the sink 08:20 ... DISHES 08:20 NOW you're talking 08:21 i have to do dishes tonight 08:21 and take out the garbage 08:21 no, don't put the dishes in the garbage! 08:21 and clean up my desk, there's a tax form i cant find, i'm betting its buried under all the crap 08:22 lol 08:22 'this dish is dirty ' 08:27 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 08:32 mobileuser i was cleaning up my basement this past weekend, filled a contractor bag with about 50 lbs worth of crap to throw out 08:33 no dishes tho 08:33 and no tax form 08:33 no 08:34 i turned in all our tax stuff to our tax person yesterday and she's like 'you're missing one thing' and i'm like 'fuuuuuuuuu' 08:34 damn... 08:34 we usually do our own taxes but 2022 was a weird year, need a pro to do it 08:38 * Pinkbeast laughs in PAYE 08:46 i dunno what PAYE is 08:47 Pay As You Earn. My payslips say what income tax I paid. I've never done a tax return or anything like it. 08:48 This is pretty normal in countries where the makers of tax preparation software don't lobby to keep the tax laws inscrutable :-) 08:50 i see 08:53 most people in the us who are typical wage earners have taxes withheld from their paychecks too, but the amount is often inexact so you file a return to make up the difference 08:53 Right. It's like that except it works correctly. 08:54 even for part-time or multiple jobs? 08:55 Certainly for part-time and unpredictable hours. If you have multiple jobs _and_ more than one of them has unpredictable hours it's a bit more complicated, but you don't fill out a tax return. 08:57 Some people do - people paid more than I've ever been, people in unusually complex situations - but I gather from people who do it's nothing like the Byzantine US arrangements. 09:07 is it a flat tax or something? how do they know how much you are going to make at the end of the year? The rich aren't taxed at a higher rate? 09:08 that's why it's that way here, and most people would rather hold onto their money (earn interest on it instead of the govt) and pay what they owe at the end of the year 09:09 i'm the opposite. i prefer to get money back if i can 09:09 yeah me too :) 09:09 that way i dont have to worry about an added expense 09:09 but if you were making millions, you'd feel differently 09:09 this will never happen 09:10 when i said most people i guess i was referring to people who always owe a lot anyway... why let them hold onto it and then give you a refund? 09:11 but yeah, the few times i've had to pay i was pissed. would much rather a check lol 09:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:25 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 09:25 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 09:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a gecko), on T:800 (0:22:01) 09:57 -!- Graznop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58 -!- Graznop has joined #evilhack 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:8182 (5:16:13) 10:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) had a cloak of protection entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:42412 (1 day, 3:04:40) 10:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:36 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 10:37 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:43 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 10:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2625 (0:47:30) 10:45 -!- Umbire has joined #evilhack 10:47 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Client Quit] 10:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:3638 (1:23:51) 10:53 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 11:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin fedora", on T:42774 (1 day, 3:49:50) 11:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:5504 (1:54:18) 11:39 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:40 "The frost giant knocks you back with a powerful blow! You bump into a little dog. You feel guilty." <- seems a little harsh 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a mithril dagger on an altar, on T:6645 (2:16:16) 11:48 lol, next thing you know your quest leader is asking for that artifact. "Remember little fluffy you bumped into??? So rude!" 11:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4685 (1:20:16) 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:7169 (2:29:12) 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 10784 points, T:9135, killed by a gas cloud 12:01 'You feel guilty' is just one abuse point 12:02 you'd have to rack up a fair amount to have to worry about having the quest leader ask for the quest artifact back 12:02 and Graznop, no its not harsh. you bumped into fluffy, how dare you 12:02 :P 12:03 I'll consider myself reported to PETA 12:03 heh 12:05 this happens in regular nethack too, although i dont think you get the message about it 12:05 Also, we need to talk about conservation of momentum... 12:05 i added a lot more 'guilty' messages since its kind of an important thing to be aware of in evilhack 12:06 food time, brb 12:06 ...when levitating, hitting things with a dagger, polearm doesn't push you back, but an aklys does? 12:07 Thanks for the extra 'guilty' messages btw 12:08 To be clearer, throwing an aklys pushes you back 12:08 if you throw the aklys down fast enough you can levitate 12:08 that's how i cross vlad's chasm 12:09 sorry, chaassssmmmmmmmm* 12:10 lol 12:11 Striking while levitating =/= throwing while levitating, my guess is you're meant to infer the latter requires more momentum 12:13 I keep forgetting *hack is not real life. Magic doesn't obey the laws of physics either ;) 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) used a forge to create Ashmar, on T:82923 (20:44:09) 12:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5620 (2:26:37) 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant mimic, on T:10081 (4:05:24) 13:36 pretty boring being a mimic 13:36 Oh wow, just catching up on Loggers with the epic Wizard screw 13:55 yeah that was a sorry end 13:58 rng was in rare form that day 13:59 i need to get next version out soon 13:59 krm26, your next wish needs to be 'fix all evilhack bugs' 14:00 you're at a pretty low ebb for bugs anyway, gotta leave a few in for spice 14:00 heh 14:00 you think that, and then more start popping up 14:00 loggers was finding all this game ending bugs there for a quick second 14:00 *these 14:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:45829 (1 day, 6:19:13) 14:06 \o/ 14:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 14:06 yeah! 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11684 (4:39:15) 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 4564 points, T:3809, quit 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 8 points, T:209, killed by a water moccasin 14:12 weird question, but if you have see invisible does the writing on the ground still vanish when writing with a wand of make invisible? 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a spear entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:2471 (0:06:26) 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a killer bee, on T:3375 (0:09:24) 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3383 (0:09:41) 14:20 heh the goblin king turned me into a salamander 14:20 thanks bud 14:20 ...oh he also polymorphed all of my items 14:21 Yeah that tends to happen 14:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:3656 (0:11:23) 14:22 weeeird, 2 random harps in two adjacent rooms 14:22 that's a waste of a tiny probability 14:23 the game's trying to tell you something 14:23 it is your destiny to become a world famous harp player 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a large shield entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:5230 (0:13:48) 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Rog Hob Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3029 (0:19:01) 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 3146 points, T:5278, killed by a lesser homunculus, while sleeping 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Rog Hob Mal Neu), 1542 points, T:3038, killed by a giant spider 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 12 points, T:102, killed by a water demon 14:26 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/a77579bbea14...b9ba6b697f01 14:26 [EvilHack] k21971 b9ba6b6 - Huge or gigantic monsters on a pool/lava tile will not be instakilled if a boulder fills up the pool/lava spot. 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 124 points, T:512, killed by a goblin 14:27 hm 14:27 is the lava on the sanctum able to be filled in by boulders? 14:29 technically yes 14:29 its hard to fill up a lava spot though 14:29 odds are low 14:30 not worth the risk I guess 14:30 it's the inverse of the odds to fill a pool 14:30 if you were a giant and had a bunch of boulders to spare, maybe 14:31 Kill a flying monster via lava splashes or something? :B 14:31 yeah I guess you could sort of finagle your way into a situation where you could chuck a ton of boulders at the same spot to try and fill it 14:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 716 points, T:3590, killed by a gnome zombie 14:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 7 points, T:113, killed by a contaminated potion 14:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1314 (0:04:41) 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] eziono (Pri Hob Mal Law), 731 points, T:1773, killed by a mountain dwarf 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 1750 points, T:2480, killed by a mountain dwarf 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a copper shield of mobility entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:557 (0:01:11) 14:44 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a sewer rat corpse, on T:3387 (0:05:43) 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4047 (0:06:13) 14:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:5077 (0:07:52) 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:15136 (5:25:35) 14:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 2184 points, T:6220, killed by a rabid rat 14:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:46298 (1 day, 6:45:05) 15:00 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:16837 (5:48:15) 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 632 points, T:1298, killed by a hobgoblin 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 93 points, T:1049, killed by a grid bug 15:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:39082 (9:48:35) 15:22 grayswandir in shop!! 15:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1376 (0:05:27) 15:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1874 (0:07:47) 15:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:2349 (0:09:50) 15:33 !lastgame eziono 15:33 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eziono/evilhack/dumplog/1678217147.evil.html 15:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible eziono's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:3769 (0:15:47) 15:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:47224 (1 day, 7:26:42) 15:37 nice one graznop! 15:38 !lastgame willisllama 15:38 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/w/willisllama/evilhack/dumplog/1678174729.evil.html 15:38 cheers Loggers! 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) destroyed willisllama the wraith, and former Heretic, on T:4167 (0:20:47) 15:40 asshole drained me down back to level 4! 15:40 Rough 15:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a gold oval amulet on an altar, on T:4267 (0:22:06) 15:44 Finally got a BoH after 47k turns! Now to be careful with cancellation... 15:44 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:44 I've blown up the bag of the hesperides 15:45 felt a bit silly afterwards :P 15:45 Liking the new #tip command 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 6034 points, T:5237, killed by a jaguar 15:47 damn someone let out the zoo 15:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a silver shield of light entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:1205 (0:01:47) 15:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:2091 (0:03:21) 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a jackal corpse, on T:5833 (0:07:25) 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6234 (0:09:15) 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:6608 (0:10:22) 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:18598 (6:34:23) 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:64799 (1 day, 5:15:35) 16:05 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:64805 (1 day, 5:15:54) 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 3077 points, T:6962, killed by a kobold, while sleeping 16:06 are you kidding me 16:07 thought I had a good start there but I guess it's necessary to give every kobold a wand 16:07 you just need to drink more caffeine 16:07 good idea 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 97 points, T:187, killed by a potion of acid 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had a bone spear entrusted to her by Crom, on T:19242 (6:42:05) 16:10 yeah that is sure to be better than angelslayer crom, good thinkin 16:11 and bone so unforgeable so thx for that too 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 360 points, T:638, killed by a hobgoblin 16:13 It's at least 3 points of drain resistance if you wield it :B 16:13 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:64863 (1 day, 5:23:44) 16:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 486 points, T:1184, killed by Ms. Maganasipi; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 16:15 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 16:22 k2 I'm getting the "Too far" when trying to apply my lance diagonally. Lance skill is maxxed at expert. It did happen right after I restored some lost levels, so that seems a likely culprit. 16:22 oh I'm an idiot it's because I'm skilled twoweaponing 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide helm of speed named Gustavo: Victory Is Mine", on T:1693 (0:08:04) 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2175 (0:11:12) 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed the orcish high priest of Moloch, on T:65124 (1 day, 5:43:56) 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:65134 (1 day, 5:44:47) 16:35 oh it's getting good :) 16:40 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:65225 (1 day, 5:50:04) 16:40 jousting is just unfair 16:40 always has been 16:40 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:65232 (1 day, 5:50:33) 16:53 K2: You there? 17:00 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:65758 (1 day, 6:14:25) 17:11 In the meantime while I'm waiting: 17:11 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Shambling_horror_(EvilHack) 17:11 Trying to figure out what to do with this 17:11 Looking for some more generation details, particularly regarding bones and the like 17:14 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:65848 (1 day, 6:24:06) 17:15 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) genocided sea dragons, on T:65851 (1 day, 6:25:08) 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:65920 (1 day, 6:31:10) 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:65922 (1 day, 6:31:23) 17:24 \o/ 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:5536 (0:34:26) 17:25 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Hea Cen Mal Neu), 680 points, T:1515, killed by a bolt of cold 17:25 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:65962 (1 day, 6:35:56) 17:25 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:65962 (1 day, 6:35:57) 17:26 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6013 (0:37:29) 17:28 terrapin hah i didnt realize you were dual wielding with a lance. that explains it all 17:30 haha yeah awake me realized it pretty quickly 17:31 \o/ congrats terrapin! 17:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:7025 (0:41:46) 17:31 thanks! 17:32 nice on terrapin! 17:32 *one 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 5779396 points, T:65997, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/terrapin/evilhack/dumplog/1677681943.evil.html 17:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 16354 points, T:7078, killed by a giant turtle 17:32 \o/ 17:32 gg 17:32 congrats terrapin 17:33 Oh there you are K2 17:33 i'm not the dev you're looking for 17:33 * K2 does jedi hand wave 17:34 so anyway, shambling horrors 17:34 man that game was smooth. 5 magic lamps, a throne wish, and a 0:3 castle wand. I couldn't have lost it if I tried 17:34 yeah there's already a minor flub on what you have so far 17:34 That being...? 17:34 terrapin hah 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 88 points, T:412, killed by hitting themselves in the face 17:34 ' they will always be carnivores that are tiny in size.' <--- not true 17:35 Well that's what the template bothered to list so 17:35 * Umbire shrugs 17:35 can start there 17:35 their corpse weight is 20 but that's just a formality because they never leave a corpse 17:35 their size is random 17:35 Again, that's the template I had from when you ran that thing forever ago 17:35 yeah the template is just that 17:35 Weight 20, nutrition also 20? 17:36 yup but again those are just formalities 17:36 have to put *something* for those values 17:36 accurate formalities :B 17:36 but they dont leave a corpse 17:36 no point in even mentioning it 17:36 and their size will range from tiny to gigantic 17:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 77 points, T:268, killed by a sewer rat 17:37 All noted so far 17:37 Oh, is alignment randomized or no 17:38 it is 17:39 everything you need to know is here - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/u_init.c#L1222-L1385 17:39 Alright, heck 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 484 points, T:823, killed by a hobgoblin 17:41 can you wish for a shambling horror corpse 17:41 hah good question 17:41 prob not 17:41 and k2 is gonna change it so every time you kill a shambling horror they gain a new ability as a special gift to us he is he is 17:42 I'll be sure to try it when the game throws me a wish 17:42 Hmm, here's how I'll do it 17:42 leave the placeholder stats, explain it as such, tag as random where needed and then go into the meat of it in generation 17:44 Umbire: maybe give examples of an easy and hard one? and say you won't know until to killed one? 17:44 Yes, I plan to get into all of that 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 166 points, T:547, killed by a sewer rat 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Hea Cen Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1120 (0:19:15) 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a water moccasin 17:45 e.g. from my last game, it had a terrifying 7d6 steal gold attack! 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a pair of gauntlets of dexterity entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:813 (0:01:37) 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Hea Cen Mal Neu), 124 points, T:1171, killed by an electric chair 17:48 graznop for a while I had a spree of sickness inducing horrors 17:48 one of which also had a disenchanting attack 17:49 they can be quite scary 17:49 but lately I've been getting things like "skittish 2d3 eat brains" 17:49 paralyzing engulfing brain eaters are the worst. or leprechaun disenchanters when you have gold free action :-) 17:51 It's the not knowing which is most fun 17:53 see K2? players WANT randomized per-monster shamblers 17:55 they just think they do. if it really happened, lose their minds 17:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:56 Maybe a base shambler with each instance having one extra (or less) attack? 17:56 unexpected brain-eating attacks tend to do that 17:57 but yeah, I wouldn't want each to be random because then I'd just always engage from range. The unknown is fun, but so is knowing the shambler's stats and making tactical decisions based off that information 17:59 mobileuser would be in a constant state of anxiety :) 18:00 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 412 points, T:573, killed by a gnome zombie 18:00 You mean a constant state of anxiety isn't a design goal? 18:01 no 18:01 just most of the time 18:01 :P 18:01 maybe have multiple species of shambling horror that all have their own randomization? 18:02 dnh does that 18:02 i didnt like it 18:02 anxiety has to ebb and flow or you get numb to it 18:02 no, krm26 solution is clearly the best. +1 random ability per kill :-) 18:03 then an achievement for generating a shambling horror with every ability! 18:03 color code them or sth. green shambling monsters tentacle you, orange ones just 1d2 steal gold and whimper when you pull a sword on them 18:03 still want mother-of-horrors demon lord which works like shambling horrors 18:06 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06 that would be interesting 18:07 i also think you should add pudding behavior as a possible shambling horror property 18:14 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 385 points, T:1801, killed by a hobbit 18:15 that would have to be refactored into a flag probably if so 18:15 btw in xnh 8.0 juiblex will split like a pudding 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9098 (5:04:36) 18:20 -!- Elron has joined #evilhack 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 341 points, T:681, killed by a wand 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:57321 (7:40:21) 18:37 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a vorpal jabberwock, on T:57444 (7:41:58) 18:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1680 points, T:2108, killed by an Uruk-hai 18:55 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 18:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10122 (5:41:40) 18:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1022 points, T:794, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 19:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:85022 (21:40:58) 19:07 -!- Gutso has joined #evilhack 19:07 hey guys, just curious: can infidels write previously unknown spellbooks like wizards can? 19:10 no 19:11 thank you 19:11 how's the game going? 19:12 It's going. I'm not as uber strong as I was in theother one but with a bit of chores and careful play I think I should be able to make it. Still havent gone into gehennom. Trying to get my ascension kit ready and my stash organized. 19:13 gotcha 19:13 oh wow this just popped into my head 19:13 Really makes me wanna have a search coomand like in DCSS where you can look up where you left stuff. I cant figure out where I put the finger of death spellbook 19:13 when wearing ashmar, if wielding a lance, it'll never break 19:14 Gutso you can search your ttyrecs 19:14 Yeah still havent figured how to open those files. I am sorry I am such a noob 19:14 nah you're fine 19:14 one sec 19:15 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Ttyrec <--- pick which player you want to use 19:15 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/ <--- easy way to search for ttyrecs and download them 19:15 i need to get NAO's web based ttyrec player working 19:15 for hardfought 19:20 K2 if it's too complicated to explain or you have no time I totally get it. But I've tried this in the past and went nowhere. So I downloaded a compressed file for IPBT.  Following the instructions, I unarchived it and run $ wget https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/ipbt/ipbt-20190601.d1519e0.tar.gz 19:20 $ tar zxfv ipbt-20190601.d1519e0.tar.gz 19:20 $ cd ipbt-20190601.d1519e0/ 19:20 $ ./configure 19:20 $ make 19:20 in the terminal. But it says "command unknown" 19:20 I am using mac btw 19:21 hrm that's one i have never used 19:21 which one do you recommend? 19:22 i use termplay is nice 19:22 *its 19:23 and it'll support different terminal sizes, nice for viewing players ttyrecs that use curses 19:23 thanks. giving it a try 19:24 and I apologize in advance, my experience using macOS is limited 19:24 no worries 19:25 i used to have an old mac laptop available to reference, but it bricked itself during an os update 19:25 it's like they include self distruction with every update 19:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 33258 points, T:11193, killed by a fire ant, while paralyzed by a monster 19:30 dang hill giant shaman - he paralyzed me and summoned insects that killed me. 19:31 :/ 19:35 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:44 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed magic marker", on T:60484 (8:48:42) 19:50 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:60683 (8:54:54) 19:57 Gutso, while learning how to view ttys is a good idea, just checking that you know you can leave notes on levels? like "+finger here" 19:59 yeah I do leave notes, but I am also messy... 20:00 like right now i lost staff os archmagi and have no clue what happened. I hope it's jyst lying somewhere 20:00 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:60834 (9:04:55) 20:01 ok foudn it. phew 20:07 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:61026 (9:11:39) 20:07 krm26, i'm *this close* to gettting web based ttyrec player to work 20:16 oooooh 20:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 20:16 missing library? 20:16 not sure 20:16 -!- Gutso has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:16 only works if your locale is set to Romania? 20:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1230 (0:04:24) 20:26 heh, "you feel a little strange. You turn into a hobgoblin! The mithril of your mithril broad short sword hurts to touch! You return to tortle form!" 20:32 :) 20:36 mmm i bet the soldier riding this black dragon is swinging a bearded axe to grab my shield of reflection 20:37 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:41 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:02 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:63072 (10:06:47) 21:02 Alright K2, so I'm slowly sussing out what means what, some of it's straightforward, some less so 21:03 /* 'different' resistances, even clumsy */ 21:03 /* physical resistances... */ 21:03 bit of clarification here, if possible 21:04 I know there's the usual element resistances but what are the "different" ones 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:63758 (10:16:35) 21:24 as far as I can tell there are 9 resistances that shamblers can have: fire, cold, sleep, disintegration, shock, poison, acid, stone, and psychic. The two different loops seem to have the effect of making fire and cold resistance less common for shamblers, and psychic resistance slightly less common than fire or cold. I assume the first loop's comment refers to the fact that it excludes psychic, which isn't phsyical. I don't know what's up with the 21:24 'clumsy' comment. 21:25 see https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/1d3b7ea159493bb5f87c33377c948c08eccb4c23/include/mondata.h#L22 for the meaning of the mresists bits (they're in order) 21:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Trt Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:64955 (10:33:34) 22:08 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1522 (0:17:26) 22:28 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Pri Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2913 (0:37:33) 22:31 -!- Elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:44 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 22:45 "you disturbed me, fool! I think I'll keep this wish for myself!" >:( 22:45 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Client Quit] 22:45 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 22:45 asshole even wished for a cloak, I'm a tortle! 22:48 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Client Quit] 22:52 -!- Loggers_IX has joined #evilhack 22:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:59 -!- Loggers_IX has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:22 -!- Loggers_X has joined #evilhack 23:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8516 (0:39:20) 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:8959 (0:41:30) 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 20248 points, T:8961, killed by a death ray 23:29 really 23:29 not too often you see that lol 23:33 :/ 23:33 krm26 you up? 23:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1536 (0:04:24) 23:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (antimatter vortices), on T:1575 (0:04:41) 23:42 wanna see something neat? 23:42 https://www.hardfought.org/nh/evil/trd/?file=https://hdf-us.s3.amazonaws.com/ttyrec/k/k2/evilhack/ttyrec/2019-12-10.02:32:24.ttyrec.gz 23:43 ^ krm26 23:43 right now it only works for evilhack games on hdf-us 23:44 :o is that a web ttyrec my lazy eyes espy 23:44 *ttyrec player 23:44 and there are some javascript bugs (NAO has them also) 23:44 yes heh 23:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 2670 points, T:3054, diseased by a gnome zombie, while paralyzed by a monster 23:44 and games larger than 80x24 may not display correctly 23:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 83 points, T:102, killed by a sewer rat 23:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 226 points, T:815, choked on a goblin corpse 23:52 oops rookie mistake 23:52 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (woodchucks), on T:103 (0:00:29) 23:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 26 points, T:178, killed by a goblin, while reading a book