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05:58 <mobileuser> .
05:58 <Hecubus> mobileuser: Message from K2 at 2023-02-25 17:34 EST: if an infidel could wear a HoOA and just negate everything that makes it an infidel, then what's the point? that makes infidel easy mode. I see why Tomsod kept the infidel pray rule in place no matter what :)
05:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:99075 (1 day, 9:34:55)
05:59 <mobileuser> !tell K2 when VaderFLAG ascended as Infidel, he was crowned lawful Hand of Elbereth first. Meaning prayer with HoOA on a lawful altar.
05:59 <Hecubus> I'm on it, mobileuser.
06:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:99255 (1 day, 9:39:20)
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06:49 <aosdict> K2: hmm so you can use your lack of knowledge about enchant armor to enchant scales beyond the +0 they're supposed to always have?
06:49 <aosdict> or is having scales at greater than +0 normal in evilhack
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07:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:11378 (8:44:19)
07:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had an elven dagger entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:41822 (6:15:22)
07:29 <krm26> aosdict i recall an initial discussion about the only way to get enchanted scales was from wishing
07:33 <aosdict> in xnethack, wishing for enchanted scales was silently allowed at first, but then when people started going "yeah so the best strategy is to use a wished up +3 coat of scales in the cloak slot" I fixed it
07:33 <aosdict> evilhack adopted dtsund-dsm after that I think
07:34 <aosdict> but since it's not a design goal of evilhack to avoid entirely wished-for asc kits, idk if that aspect is different
07:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed her quest without incident, on T:42523 (6:33:36)
07:45 <krm26> i don't think wished-for enchanted scales are compellingly superior to a dragonhide robe or dragonhide oilskin or dragonhide protection
07:46 <krm26> so i'm not sure that is an important patch
07:46 <krm26> in fact, in evilhack, ac is only ever an issue for the races that can't use cloak slot :-)
07:49 <aosdict> which speaks to the fact that everyone wishes up their asc kit
07:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) had a copper mace entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:12535 (9:27:06)
07:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1023 (0:08:19)
08:02 <krm26> i think it is very typical but forgiveable in evil (i normally blow all my wishes trying to get another quest artifact and failing)
08:02 <krm26> i must admit i do not like statues of gaseous monsters
08:08 <aosdict> how do you feel about statues of floating monsters
08:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Mal Una), 3294 points, T:2315, killed by a warg
08:12 <krm26> eyes? bad. flying like vampires? ok. they still have feet
08:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:934 (0:10:18)
08:25 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:45241 (7:13:18)
08:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) destroyed krm26's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:2368 (0:20:57)
08:39 <K2> i dont know anymore
08:39 <Hecubus> K2: Message from mobileuser at 2023-02-26 05:59 EST: when VaderFLAG ascended as Infidel, he was crowned lawful Hand of Elbereth first. Meaning prayer with HoOA on a lawful altar.
08:40 <K2> infidel confuses me
08:40 <K2> maybe krm26 had made jesus angry
08:41 <K2> why do you make me wake up to these issues mobileuser? WHY
08:41 <mobileuser> must have been something like that
08:41 <mobileuser> I don't think there is an issue, I was just curious if HoOA could mess up praying in general :-)
08:42 <K2> heh
08:42 <K2> i will dig into the code at some point to refresh my memory
08:42 <krm26> i don't mind that k2 continually screws me over, it adds spice to my days
08:42 <K2> aosdict - you can enchant dragon scales, but once they are merged into armor, their enchantment goes away
08:42 <K2> just like in xnh
08:43 <K2> <3 krm26
08:44 <mobileuser> in the rare cases I wish for scales, I wish for them +0 but I can't remember for which variants that is necessary
08:45 <krm26> wishing for scales is almost always sub-optimal
08:45 <mobileuser> yeah
08:46 <krm26> the only things you should ever wish for are things that will evade your grasp or that will come with an owner who will kill you when you are low level
08:46 <K2> this is the way
08:46 <krm26> this is the way
08:46 <K2> lol
08:46 <K2> JINX
08:46 <K2> buy me a coke
08:46 <krm26> bottomless coke if you ever visit disney animal kingdom
08:48 <K2> new season of the mandalorian drops very soon
08:48 <K2> in a few days i think
08:53 <mobileuser> does Grimtooth convey disease res when wielded?
08:54 <krm26> A("Grimtooth", ORCISH_DAGGER, (SPFX_RESTR | SPFX_WARN | SPFX_DFLAGH),
08:54 <krm26>       0, MH_ELF, DISE(5, 6), NO_DFNS, NO_CARY, 0, A_CHAOTIC,
08:54 <krm26>       NON_PM, PM_ORC, 1500L, CLR_RED, DEFAULT_MAT),
08:55 <krm26> (so no, would need AD_DISE)
08:56 <K2> nope it doesnt
08:58 <mobileuser> would be nice if it did...
08:58 <K2> yeah it would, wouldnt it
08:58 <K2> :P
08:58 <mobileuser> lol
08:58 <K2> that would make it stupid OP
08:58 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14483 (10:25:44)
08:59 <krm26> is grimtooth one of the nameable things i ignore? i would name the crap out of it for disease resistance
08:59 <mobileuser> no, not nameable
09:08 <krm26> dammit, sunsword lying on the ground and im an infidel
09:08 <krm26> why can't it be angelslayer, what a waste
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09:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] leafG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1749 (0:11:18)
09:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] leafG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2178 points, T:2143, killed by a giant bat
09:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-au] [evil] leafG (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4 points, T:34, killed by an arrow
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09:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:9528 (1:35:25)
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09:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:48173 (8:38:15)
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10:02 <krm26> last game, 1st sacrifice -> moloch. This game, I have just made my 101st sacrifice with no moloch love
10:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:49978 (8:55:55)
10:13 <krm26> phew changeling almost elder minotaured me
10:14 <K2> ouch
10:38 <krm26> it seems like evilhack isn't being nicer to me because i'm doped up with oxy, that seems wrong
10:38 <krm26> i keep looking for the oxy option
10:39 <aosdict> K2: can't remember, do you have xnethack style ghost incorporeality in evilhack?
10:39 <K2> yeah
10:40 <aosdict> take a look at most recent xnh commit
10:40 <K2> i see it
10:40 <K2> hah
10:40 <K2> purple worm: i aint afraid of no ghost
10:41 <aosdict> purple worms have ecto-containment units in their stomachs
10:41 <K2> heh
10:41 <K2> ray, you said dont cross the streams!
10:47 <K2> so now that I have a vehicle that can actually interface with my phone, i started making a music playlist on my phone that matches the songs I had on the CD's in the previous vehicle. looking for tracks to add, several were missing. did a comparison between mp3's on my array vs what was on my phone. over 1300 tracks missing on the phone
10:48 <K2> 1st world probs
10:48 <aosdict> time to track the mustache twirling bandit who made off with your phone mp3s
10:49 <K2> only thing i can think of was the last time I did a sync, it went bad and i didnt notice
10:56 <K2> aosdict i already see an issue with the gnome eggs commit. the bit I created, if a gnome sees an egg in your open inventory
10:56 <aosdict> of course, the bit I created is flawless
10:56 <K2> it'll respond to all types of eggs, instead of just NON_PM
10:56 <K2> nah, i had to edit the hell out of your code bits :P
10:56 <aosdict> I mean... that could make sense
10:57 <krm26> gnome...egg...?
10:57 <krm26> you guys and your fetishes
10:57 <krm26> this goddamn blessed random sunsword my infidel found is pissing me off
10:57 <krm26> my favorite weapon and it is making me soooo anggrrry
10:57 <aosdict> do monster eggs look visually different from non-monster eggs? if so, why can't we readily identify monster eggs as being of some monster?
10:58 <aosdict> wait you ACTUALLY made the message errmmahgerd
10:58 * aosdict facepalm
10:58 <K2> i did
10:58 <K2> its what you wanted
10:59 <K2> there was no sarcasm in your comments about it
11:00 <aosdict> you are a victim of poes law
11:01 <K2> well its staying because 'errmahgerd' is awesome
11:01 <aosdict> I might adjust the check to if you're wielding or quivering eggs
11:01 <K2> that's not a bad idea
11:01 <aosdict> rather than just carrying them openly. seems like it could be a performance issue if every gnome is checking your inventory constantly
11:01 <K2> otherwise its kind of a 'scare all gnomes' free pass
11:02 <K2> i think i may exclude gnomish shopkeepers/priests from being agitated
11:02 <aosdict> or something like if 1/50 chance, gnome scans your inventory, otherwise they don't
11:02 <K2> yeah i like that
11:03 <aosdict> also it seems like gnomes can freak out about eggs even if you aren't carrying any
11:03 <aosdict> if they go through any of the other code paths for m_respond
11:04 <K2> hmm
11:04 <K2> how so
11:05 <aosdict> say you hit a gnome with a boomerang
11:05 <aosdict> it calls boomhit -> m_respond
11:05 <aosdict> the code in m_respond assumes the gnome has already been checked for seeing you carrying eggs
11:07 <aosdict> is there any particular reason it's in m_respond if you only want it to trigger from one specific code path in monmove? seems better suited to its own function
11:07 <K2> because the gnomes... respond?
11:07 <K2> but yeah i see it
11:07 <K2> there needs to be a check for the eggs in that other spot
11:08 <aosdict> more like the check for the eggs has to move to the other spot. you shouldn't have two checks for eggs
11:08 <K2> hmm
11:09 <K2> i'll work on it soon. messing with this music file transfer. i just finished syncing but the # of files on the phone didnt change
11:09 <K2> so something odd is going on
11:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2157 (0:14:57)
11:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2283 points, T:2487, killed by a rothe
11:32 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:52487 (9:47:33)
11:36 <mobileuser> km26 one way to unlock long sword skill is to find the spellbook of fireball before you get crowned
11:37 <mobileuser> * krm26
11:37 <mobileuser> if you're really desperate to use Sunsword
11:38 <mobileuser> learn the spell, have spellbook in open inventory, wield non-artifact longsword, get crowned
11:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:53000 (9:54:35)
11:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:53816 (10:09:08)
12:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Fem Una), 16155 points, T:7161, killed by a sling bullet
12:03 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Hea Elf Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:17461 (12:20:36)
12:03 <krm26> ah that's the dream
12:08 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una), 675 points, T:2102, killed by an orc zombie, while fainted from lack of food
12:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1422 (0:06:16)
12:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1506 (0:07:26)
12:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:20693 (4:09:44)
12:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una), 3851 points, T:2926, killed by a gray dragon called Dergun
12:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had an elven helm entrusted to her by Anhur, on T:55703 (10:41:23)
12:29 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:21522 (4:20:30)
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12:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a silver long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:24695 (10:12:32)
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12:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:12820 (0:34:30)
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12:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a hobbit, on T:23189 (4:40:39)
12:50 <krm26> kjdfkgjfdlg
12:52 <krm26> weird-ass carrying capacity correction
12:54 <krm26> i've been at this stage every game for over a month, having to search 10 turns before moving anywhere because of poly traps
12:56 <K2> you dont *have* to
12:56 <K2> yolo
12:56 <Loggers_VIII> arrrrghhh my pet stone golem is blocking me in sokoban
13:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Fem Una) became literate by engraving "ssh", on T:4105 (0:27:14)
13:01 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:14214 (0:44:37)
13:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 13924 points, T:14481, petrified by a cockatrice
13:02 <Loggers_VIII> oh goddammit
13:02 <Loggers_VIII> forgot to wield my weapon
13:03 <Loggers_VIII> had been eating french fried newt
13:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 54 points, T:190, killed by hitting themselves in the face
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13:06 <krm26> that's the dream right there
13:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1249 (0:05:07)
13:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (antimatter vortices), on T:1301 (0:05:21)
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13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 2197 points, T:2157, killed by a fall onto poison spikes
13:13 <Loggers_VIII> oh don't start this again game
13:13 <Loggers_VIII> I've had enough of those
13:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:8464 (0:40:03)
13:16 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:25324 (5:06:41)
13:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:988 (0:04:32)
13:21 <Loggers_VIII> oh cool orctown
13:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu), 2710 points, T:1784, killed by a goblin outrider called Akhoggrisai of Grisaiuna
13:22 <krm26> i was gonna say lucky, but....
13:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a shield of light entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:2227 (0:02:27)
13:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a katana entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:3990 (0:04:59)
13:27 <Loggers_VIII> oh awesome
13:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4053 (0:05:30)
13:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4116 (0:05:48)
13:30 <K2> aosdict how's this? (gnome/egg changes) https://termbin.com/di17
13:30 <K2> i'm not sure i want to make it wielded/quivered. who does either?
13:30 <K2> no one that I know of
13:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4990 (0:09:21)
13:34 <Loggers_VIII> hm this mines level has a chokepoint I am incapable of getting through to get to the stairs
13:35 <Loggers_VIII> damn tortles
13:36 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:10186 (0:57:52)
13:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Fem Una) had a pair of high boots entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:10377 (1:03:09)
13:46 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:9705 (0:22:56)
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13:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a gnome zombie, on T:11462 (0:28:25)
13:52 <Loggers_VIII> don't do potions kids
13:53 <K2> but zombies are cool
13:53 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1412 points, T:1371, zombified by an elf zombie, while helpless
13:54 <Loggers_VIII> zombies have a rather violent form of peer pressure
13:55 <Loggers_VIII> you WILL become one of them or by god they will stink up your altar camp for twenty minutes straight
13:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Fem Una) had a pair of high boots entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:11343 (1:17:22)
13:55 <Loggers_VIII> haha yes finally a dwarf spawned with a pickaxe
13:58 <Loggers_VIII> this feels weird... I'm going into the mines with 101 HP and -13 AC
14:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) destroyed Loggers' ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:13002 (0:37:13)
14:02 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Fem Una) had a shield of mobility entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:13397 (1:24:03)
14:02 <Loggers_VIII> oh hey sunsword's hanging around on the ground
14:03 <krm26> same for me this run. of course, infidel :-(
14:04 <Loggers_VIII> :(
14:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:13366 (0:41:43)
14:05 <Loggers_VIII> heh
14:05 <krm26> oh now you're just flipping me off
14:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Fem Una) became the Emissary of Moloch, on T:14471 (1:27:30)
14:05 <krm26> i had a +2 dagger bestowed on me
14:06 <krm26> at turn 30k
14:06 <krm26> did gutso realy get demoned out at turn 14k? wtf man
14:06 <Loggers_VIII> yeah wtf
14:06 <Loggers_VIII> that was fast
14:06 <Loggers_VIII> how did he even get that much luck that fast
14:12 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a large shield entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:14318 (0:48:02)
14:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of decay", on T:46854 (18:19:15)
14:15 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +0 secespita", on T:46887 (18:21:01)
14:17 <terrapin> speaking of infidels
14:17 <terrapin> As an infidel, you're not allowed to permanently convert to another alignment. But with the new Helm of Opposite Alignment (TM) the benefits of being lawful can be yours*! (*terms and conditions may apply). In particular, lawful infidels can: 1) sacrifice at lawful altars like normal. This will not increase your sacrifice timeout with Moloch, and you may get messages about that, but nothing will actually happen as long as you're lawful. 2) get 
14:17 <terrapin> gifts via sacrifice (they'll be blessed). 3) pray for holy water. 4) Be crowned as lawful. You'll get Excalibur if you're wielding a long sword, or else nothing. You will not be turned into a demon, but you still will not get cold, sleep or shock resistances and you will get guaranteed sickness resistance. You will lose your psionic resistance or jumping ability if you're an illithid or centaur respectively. 5) Note that you need to imbue the idol 
14:17 <terrapin> to get to the astral plane, so you can’t offer the Amulet to the lawful high altar. Try the Helm of Opposite Alignment today! Satisfaction guaranteed!
14:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 dragonhide helm of speed named Gustavo: Luck Generator", on T:15672 (0:54:06)
14:18 <krm26> yeah, i tried that when i was in good standing and my potions didn't get blessed and i was counted as transgressed, so your mileage may vary
14:19 <Loggers_VIII> we can put that bit in a very fast voiceover at the end
14:20 <Loggers_VIII> oh my god sunsword makes zombie corpses disappear
14:20 <Loggers_VIII> best artifact
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14:21 <krm26> yeah sunsword is great
14:21 <krm26> fun with kas and vecna too
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14:21 <terrapin> huh. I tried in wizmode and never had issues sacrificing or praying (and I didn't force the god to be happy, either). Maybe you had bad luck?
14:21 <Loggers_VIII> like I'd ever attack Kas in melee :)
14:22 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) used a forge to create The Staff of the Archmagi, on T:46920 (18:22:59)
14:22 <Loggers_VIII> ah was wondering why you wished for secespita
14:24 <terrapin> but secespita's such a great standalone artifact
14:24 <K2> terrapin has become Gandalf. now all he needs is Glamdring
14:24 <Loggers_VIII> I want to do a wizard where I get glamdring early
14:24 <Loggers_VIII> just because gandalf :P
14:25 <krm26> if it weren't for bad luck i'd have no luck at all
14:26 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:30744 (6:16:37)
14:26 <krm26> oh thank moloch, FINALLY
14:26 <Loggers_VIII> you were saying :)
14:26 <Loggers_VIII> today is angelslayer day
14:26 <krm26> now i just need magic resistance, free action, and a stethoscope
14:26 <Loggers_VIII> even lawfuls will be forcibly gifted angelslayer
14:26 <K2> \o/
14:27 <Loggers_VIII> if you didn't get a stethoscope yet, good luck getting one ever
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14:28 <Loggers_VIII> although (and this might just be a 'Loggers is going crazy' situation), I feel like I get stethoscopes way more in evil than in vanilla
14:28 <Loggers_VIII> probably me going crazy though
14:30 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:30493 (12:06:03)
14:33 <krm26> i'm not sure i understand why infidels only get basic trident
14:33 <K2> it goes to expert when you get crowned
14:35 <krm26> did you see gutso get crowned today when i fell out of bed? it was so fast
14:36 <K2> heh
14:36 <K2> i didnt
14:37 <K2> bbl
14:37 <Loggers_VIII> feck there's a cube in the soko zoo
14:39 <Loggers_VIII> oh there's two
14:39 <krm26> a nesting pair!
14:40 <Loggers_VIII> I am very lucky I had all those darts still
14:41 <Loggers_VIII> now come on soko amulet you better be reflection
14:41 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:18072 (1:16:53)
14:41 <mobileuser> terrapin thanks for the Infidel with HoOA explanation!
14:43 <krm26> didn't work for me :-P
14:44 <Loggers_VIII> dammit I forgot to turn on paranoid water
14:44 <Loggers_VIII> goodbye 4 diluted potions of full healing :(
14:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Odin, on T:32374 (12:20:09)
14:45 <terrapin> we need a paranoid_confirmation:paranoid_water option that asks you to confirm if you try to save your .rc without it
14:46 <Loggers_VIII> heh
14:46 <Loggers_VIII> oh damn another cube!
14:46 <Loggers_VIII> the game's got it out for me now
14:46 <Loggers_VIII> I got too lucky
14:47 <mobileuser> on each save: thank you for playing without paranoid_water! we really appreciate it!
14:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18940 (1:22:46)
14:48 <Loggers_VIII> I'm trying to think of how many times I would've fatfingered into lava and died without paranoid swim
14:48 <Loggers_VIII> the number's too large for me to comprehend
14:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a copper trident entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:19345 (1:25:10)
14:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a large shield entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:19633 (1:26:08)
14:50 <Loggers_VIII> lady all I want is luck so I can get crowned
14:50 <Loggers_VIII> you can stop with the well-intentioned but useless gifts
14:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Rat King, on T:31448 (6:41:45)
14:51 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) had a shield of reflection entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:20399 (1:27:13)
14:51 <Loggers_VIII> ok that is good thank you lady
14:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:22781 (1:31:05)
14:55 <Loggers_VIII> haha yes
14:55 <krm26> are infidels just screwed out of the rat king's teleporter loot?
14:56 <Loggers_VIII> just keep jumping on those teleport traps
14:56 <Loggers_VIII> took me like half an hour once
14:56 <krm26> ok, so 0/20 is no big deal then? gotcha
14:57 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:32159 (6:48:28)
14:58 <mobileuser> krm26 you would have to drop the amulet first
14:58 <mobileuser> risky, I know
14:59 <krm26> ugh not doing that
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15:30 <dbanethacker> qq- are giants not affected by cubes like others?  I can't remember the last time (as a giant) that I was swallowed by a cube.  Is that by design?
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15:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed magic marker", on T:59749 (12:09:54)
15:34 <terrapin> giants are huge and thus can't be engulfed
15:35 <dbanethacker> their heads aren't so huge - a cube could attach to it and suffocate the giant, perhaps?
15:35 <terrapin> don't give k2 any ideas!
15:36 <dbanethacker> Ok, their arms can get the slime off perhaps.  So maybe it makes sense to just not make them engulfable.
15:36 <dbanethacker> #wipe - a new way to use it (you got the cube off) !!
15:36 <terrapin> that would be pretty fun
15:38 <dbanethacker> Agreed - and perhaps a wand of fire could burn it off like a slime?
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15:45 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) had a dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:34701 (7:35:56)
15:55 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Cen Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:40113 (13:30:47)
16:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:35234 (7:50:43)
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16:17 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:26011 (2:00:26)
16:18 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26020 (2:00:35)
16:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) completed his quest without incident, on T:26239 (2:01:40)
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16:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Inf Hum Fem Una), 163841 points, T:37479, killed by an invisible agent of Huhetotl, while frozen by a potion
16:40 <Loggers_VIII> :(
16:40 <Loggers_VIII> !lastgame
16:40 <Hecubus> Loggers_VIII: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/evilhack/dumplog/1677362441.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1677416966.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/l/leafG/evilhack/dumplog/1677422480.evil.html
16:46 <Loggers_VIII> oh interesting, "the snake is fooled by water reflections and misses!"
16:46 <Loggers_VIII> never seen that before
17:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:29774 (2:47:24)
17:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:29777 (2:47:32)
17:05 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:29779 (2:47:40)
17:06 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:29863 (2:49:11)
17:07 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:29981 (2:50:08)
17:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (gray dragons), on T:30073 (2:51:48)
17:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) genocided orange dragons, on T:30199 (2:52:59)
17:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) genocided black dragons, on T:30201 (2:53:08)
17:10 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:30204 (2:53:25)
17:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed +2 frost brand", on T:30206 (2:53:57)
17:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:30210 (2:54:13)
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17:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:30458 (3:02:09)
17:20 <Umbire> This the one with the dragonhide speed helm?
17:28 <Loggers_VIII> yea
17:30 <aosdict> K2: thoughts: 1) so if gnomes can instantly tell non-monster egg from a distance, hero (especially gnomish hero) should be able to distinguish them as well; 2) I still don't get why this is put in m_respond unless you want it to trigger from multiple sources
17:38 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:34386 (3:21:21)
17:49 <Loggers_VIII> hm
17:49 <Loggers_VIII> kathryn's displacement is really fucking me up
17:50 <Loggers_VIII> I better leave...
17:51 <Umbire> You using the [F] trick?
17:52 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a torrent of acid), on T:35914 (3:34:43)
17:52 <Loggers_VIII> no
17:52 <Loggers_VIII> I shoulda done that
17:52 <Loggers_VIII> I'm gonna go level up and come back, I can't hit her very reliably and she's healing a lot
17:52 <Umbire> Ack
17:52 <Umbire> Yeah no worries, I don't think it'd make enough difference here
17:53 <Umbire> I just use that so I maintain my positioning when dealing with displacers
17:53 <Umbire> very important, that
17:53 <Loggers_VIII> yeah
17:53 <Loggers_VIII> this is very odd, normally I can easily defeat her at this stage in the game
17:54 <Umbire> Might not be getting enough extra moves?
17:54 <Loggers_VIII> I might do wraith luring before kathryn most of the time actually, I can't remember
17:54 <Umbire> Very fast speed is like 5/3 normal speed yeah
17:54 <Umbire> ?
17:55 <Loggers_VIII> idk
17:55 <Loggers_VIII> it might be slower for tortles
17:55 <Umbire> no it is
17:55 <Umbire> but I don't remember the calc
17:55 <Umbire> yeah it's 5/3
17:56 <Loggers_VIII> ah
17:56 <Umbire> so like 17/18 speed for torts 
17:56 <Umbire> (with generous rounding mind you)
17:56 <Umbire> and giants
17:56 <Umbire> vs. 20 for others
17:56 <Umbire> which is probably impacting DPS
17:57 <Loggers_VIII> it does, but my other tortles haven't had too much trouble
17:58 <Loggers_VIII> I beat her dual wielding vorpal and a trident the other day
17:58 <Loggers_VIII> maybe I'll break out vorpal and dual wield it with angelslayer
17:58 <Umbire> Is she immune to beheading
17:58 <Umbire> never thought to ask
17:58 <Loggers_VIII> either way I'm gonna go have a wraith feast first
17:58 <Loggers_VIII> that's a good question
17:58 <Umbire> did it not proc the other day
17:59 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:67851 (13:27:08)
17:59 <Loggers_VIII> I don't believe it did
17:59 <Loggers_VIII> if it did it proc'd while she was on 20 HP or something like that
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18:16 <Loggers_VIII> jesus christ why are player monsters so overpowered
18:16 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, if I dig where there was a forge, would it get it to connect to the lava that powered / fueled the forge and get the forge working again?
18:16 <Loggers_VIII> there is a randomly generated player monster on the level that my +6 frost brand, at EXPERT SKILL, is hitting about 1/4 times and doing FOUR DAMAGE when it hits
18:16 <Loggers_VIII> he's not even cold resistant!!!
18:17 <Loggers_VIII> this is +6 expert skill frost brand doing double damage!!!!
18:17 <Loggers_VIII> dbanethacker I don't think so
18:17 <dbanethacker> I wondered a similar thing about floating eyes - I'd throw tons of daggers or items at it and wouldn't kill it.
18:17 <dbanethacker> Yeah - there should be a way to restoke a cooled forge.  Wand of fire, perhaps?
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18:23 <Loggers_VIII> god, what is happening today? kathryn won't take damage, neither will the player monsters
18:24 <Loggers_VIII> I legitimately cannot find anything different from today than any of my other runs
18:24 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:27229
18:24 <Loggers_VIII> in fact, my weapons and to-hit are BETTER than my other kathryn fights, some of which she had displacement too!
18:24 <krm26> are you a tortle!
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18:25 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, I keep losing my connection to this Chat room every few minutes.  :-(
18:25 <Loggers_VIII> yes I'm a tortle, but I've been a tortle in these other runs too!
18:25 <Loggers_VIII> dbanethacker yeah that happens to me too sometimes idk what's happening
18:26 <dbanethacker> Yeah you sometimes come back as Loggers the 9th or 10th when it does.
18:26 <Umbire> it happens to me because AT&T is dog water
18:26 <Umbire> also you can set your client to ghost your old connection
18:26 <Umbire> which surprise surprise, I've also had to do
18:26 <Umbire> anyway how's your luck looking?
18:26 <Umbire> Luck* rather
18:27 <dbanethacker> If my monster kills a shopkeeper do I get any bonus on my alignment as a Chaotic?
18:27 <dbanethacker> or do I have to do the killing to get an alignment boost?
18:27 <Loggers_VIII> I'm either extremely lucky or one point below
18:27 <Loggers_VIII> I'll go toss a corpse on an altar in case something happened to it
18:28 <dbanethacker> hmmm, how do you tell how your luck is?  I keep a blessed luckstone in my main inventory and whenever I zap the wand it says I'm extremely lucky.
18:28 <Loggers_VIII> that means you're at max luck
18:28 <Loggers_VIII> (13)
18:28 <dbanethacker> So no bonus for killing the shopkeeper, or having my pet do that, then?
18:29 <dbanethacker> (Having Pegasus is a nice pet - he's a greater Pegasus now.
18:29 <Loggers_VIII> pegasi are fun
18:30 <Loggers_VIII> what alignment are you?
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18:31 <terrapin> killing peacefuls like shopkeepers always gives you an alignment penalty, no matter your alignment. Chaotics don't lose telepathy or luck, though. Regardless, you are never held responsible for your pets' actions
18:31 <Loggers_VIII> ok yeah enlightenment says I'm at max luck
18:31 <Loggers_VIII> so I have no idea at all what is going on
18:32 <Loggers_VIII> to-hit's good, I've got high weapon skill and enchantment and max luck
18:32 <dbanethacker> ok, I'm a chaotic giant monk.
18:33 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:41134 (21:15:30)
18:33 <Loggers_VIII> rude
18:33 <dbanethacker> Hmm, my Pegasus killed the Oracle, not me.
18:33 <Loggers_VIII> oh no is it okay>
18:34 <Loggers_VIII> *?
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18:34 <Loggers_VIII> lucky you had that undead turning
18:34 <dbanethacker> Funny!
18:35 <dbanethacker> I zapped the Oracle with my undead wand while Pegasus was out of the room.  He resurrected.
18:35 <Loggers_VIII> heh
18:35 <dbanethacker> Then my Pegasus came back in and the Oracle's magic missiles killed my Pegasus
18:35 <Loggers_VIII> yeah she's been given a buff to her magic missiles I believe
18:35 <Loggers_VIII> @e?oracle
18:35 <Hecubus> Oracle (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 0 | Res: sleep poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d6 cast clerical, 2d6 cast spell, 8d8 passive magic missile | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis
18:36 <dbanethacker> So I picked up his corpse and went far outside the Oracle's room and resurrected my Pegasus.  He's still my tame pet!
18:36 <dbanethacker> Go figure.
18:36 <Loggers_VIII> he's a good boy
18:36 <Loggers_VIII> a nameless good boy, I might add
18:37 <Loggers_VIII> hmm I gotta go hunt down how monster AC calculation works
18:37 <aosdict> you've been through the dungeon on a pegasus with no name
18:38 <dbanethacker> True - what do you name your pegasus?  I have Silver as my horse....
18:38 <krm26> Peg
18:38 <Loggers_VIII> I think I named my pegasi Samuel Prime
18:38 <Loggers_VIII> I name my horses Samuel
18:38 <dbanethacker> LOL - good names
18:41 <Loggers_VIII> is there a wiki page for how monster ac affects your chance to hit them? I've been searching for a while to no avail
18:48 <Umbire> AC article should have it
18:48 <Umbire> @e?Oracle
18:48 <Hecubus> Oracle (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 0 | Res: sleep poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 2d6 cast clerical, 2d6 cast spell, 8d8 passive magic missile | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis
18:48 <Umbire> @?Oracle
18:48 <Hecubus> Oracle (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 0 | Res: magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 50 | Gen: unique | AC: 0 | Atk: 0d4 passive magic missile | Align: 0 | omnivore, nopoly, infravis
18:48 <Umbire> Yeah they got buffed and were made actually functional versus other monsters
18:50 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, an oddity.
18:51 <dbanethacker> I made a ton of shuriken of lightning because I had a number of arrows of lightning.
18:51 <Loggers_VIII> AC article has info on how monsters hitting YOU works, but nothing I can see on the other way around, with things like luck and to hit impacting the outcome
18:52 <dbanethacker> What's odd is that 20 of them are in 1 slot (letter D) and 4 of them are in another slot (letter b).  But all 24 of them are +2 uncursed shuriken of lightning.  Go figure?
18:52 <Loggers_VIII> that's weird...
18:52 <Loggers_VIII> drop them and pick them back up
18:52 <dbanethacker> I dropped them on my aligned altar but they still stay in separate slots.
18:52 <Loggers_VIII> that's strange. Maybe some are fooproof?
18:52 <dbanethacker> It's a pisser because I can't enchant all 24 of them up to +7
18:53 <dbanethacker> because they're in separate slots I'll have to burn through more scrolls/markers to do that.
18:53 <Loggers_VIII> have you formally ID'd both stacks with ID scrolls?
18:53 <Loggers_VIII> my guess would be some are fooproof but if you have done that then I have no idea
18:54 <Loggers_VIII> oh I found the monster AC stuff on the to-hit page
18:54 <Umbire> You can usually #adjust to collect stacks of the same item into a singular stack
18:54 <Umbire> But if that's not working then one of those is fooproofed and the other isn't
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19:11 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:40348 (4:22:41)
19:11 <Loggers_VIII> finally
19:11 <Loggers_VIII> that sucked
19:12 <Loggers_VIII> give me that beautiful bag :)
19:27 <Umbire> gj
19:27 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:41990 (4:39:34)
19:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:42011 (4:39:53)
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19:31 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:68626 (13:55:08)
19:34 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Charon, on T:68691 (13:57:32)
19:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:68754 (13:58:47)
19:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:49633 (20:28:40)
19:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:49822 (20:38:58)
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20:05 <dbanethacker> Hmm, are we supposed to kill Charon?
20:05 <terrapin> no
20:06 <dbanethacker> Ok cuz I can fly or (water) walk around him.
20:06 <terrapin> it's doable, but there's no point in risking it. he's peaceful
20:07 <Umbire> He's just the guy that minds the drawbridge
20:09 <aosdict> charon's just zis guy, you know?
20:10 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, if you add dragon scales to plate mail to fuse them, and then add a saddle to make barding, then I guess you could put the barding on your horse?  Like my Pegasus, for example, right?
20:11 <terrapin> dragon-scaled armor is unforgeable, unfortunately
20:11 <dbanethacker> Oh, right, you have to wear the scales and the armor to fuse them.
20:12 <dbanethacker> As a Giant there's no way for me to do that.  Okay, next game, perhaps, as a human then.
20:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Wiz Elf Mal Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:50177 (21:02:40)
20:16 <dbanethacker> dang - I found some silver darts (21 of them) I have shuriken of fire and lightning (9 and 23) but I wonder if it's worth hiking back up to forge some silver shuriken for the upcoming demons?
20:17 <Loggers_VIII> dbanethacker it is
20:17 <dbanethacker> Ok, maybe I'll clear this level I'm on and then go make some.
20:17 <Loggers_VIII> I've never done it myself, but I've seen what a stack of silver shuriken is capable of, courtesy of krm26
20:17 <Loggers_VIII> @e?charon
20:17 <Hecubus> Charon (@) | Lvl: 76 | Diff: 38 | Spd: 0 | Res: fire cold poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 120 | Gen: unique | AC: -5 | Atk: 1d8 weapon physical, 1d8 touch paralyze, 1d8 cast clerical | Align: 0 | breathless, seeinvis, nopoly, infravis
20:18 <Loggers_VIII> would be cool if charon served some sort of purpose
20:18 <Loggers_VIII> he kind of just sits there
20:19 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Kas, on T:70816 (14:42:39)
20:21 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:44157 (5:08:31)
20:21 <Loggers_VIII> heh me an elron are pretty well synced
20:21 <Loggers_VIII> *and
20:26 <dbanethacker> Hmmmm, maybe if I polymorph into a human/elf/dwarf, etc. perhaps I could then wear the plate mail and dragon scales and merge them together?  Then I could make that barding with a saddle, right?
20:26 <dbanethacker> and poly back to my normal giant self.
20:30 <Loggers_VIII> yes you can do that
20:32 <dbanethacker> It'd lower my steed's AC, right?
20:33 <Loggers_VIII> yes
20:33 <Loggers_VIII> wait
20:34 <dbanethacker> Hmmm, I have my tame wooly mammoth but he's not my pet.  I wonder how to get him as my pet, without a scroll of taming.  Throwing food at it makes it angry.
20:34 <Umbire> ...a pet is a tame monster
20:34 <Umbire> :v
20:34 <Loggers_VIII> yeah hence the name scroll of taming lol
20:34 <Loggers_VIII> you just need to write a scroll of taming basically
20:35 <Umbire> if you're talking about taming a peaceful one taming scroll, charm monster or magic harp is your best bet
20:35 <Umbire> food only works on actually domesticated monsters
20:36 <dbanethacker> yeah - but he doesn't stay my pet all that long, so I don't think it's worth it.  Yeah, charm monster or magic harp - good ideas.  I have Charm Monster spell so maybe.
20:38 <Loggers_VIII> ahh, are you riding him a lot?
20:39 <Loggers_VIII> tame monsters lose tameness when you get on them I think
20:39 <Umbire> Unless you're specifically a knight
20:39 <Loggers_VIII> charm monster will work very well if you can get it to usable fail rate
20:39 <Loggers_VIII> and monks can definitely do that
20:39 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:71750 (15:03:17)
20:40 <Umbire> Woolly mammoths are herbivorous so you should have a big ol' stockpile of apples and such from kicking trees
20:44 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:45536 (5:29:35)
20:44 <Loggers_VIII> phew
20:44 <Umbire> I'd advise feeding a steed early and often during each ride
20:44 <Loggers_VIII> in total that branch drained about 80 HP off of my max
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> got the eyeball :)
20:45 <Loggers_VIII> kinda would prefer the hand tbh
20:47 <terrapin> dbanethack DSM cannot be used in forging at all. 
20:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:45736 (5:33:17)
20:47 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:45737 (5:33:25)
20:48 <Loggers_VIII> yeah dbanethacker the property on the plate mail can't be carried over to the barding so it's not worth doing
20:48 <Loggers_VIII> that's an interesting idea though now that I'm thinking about it
20:48 <Loggers_VIII> black scaled barding would be cool
20:49 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:72194 (15:12:27)
21:05 <dbanethacker> Ok, so no barding, alas.
21:06 <dbanethacker> and yes I do have a number of apples, etc. from trees along the way.  Didn't think to try non-meat with the Wooly mammoth - thanks for the suggestion.
21:07 <dbanethacker> and I can get to Basic on Enchantment to make it easier to Charm Monster him.  I did like riding him a bit.
21:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:72656 (15:36:34)
21:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:72656 (15:36:39)
21:13 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:72657 (15:36:55)
21:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:72669 (15:37:48)
21:14 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided mind flayers, on T:72670 (15:37:54)
21:19 <Loggers_VIII> that was a genocide spree if I've ever seen one
21:19 <Loggers_VIII> disenchanters and rust monsters seems like a waste of a scroll, though
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21:26 <terrapin> lesson learned, haste pegasi before they grow up. It's weird that a beneficial wand checks MR
21:27 <Loggers_VIII> @e?greater pegasus
21:27 <Hecubus> greater pegasus (u) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 22 | Spd: 24 | Res: sleep poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 90 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d8 kick physical, 2d8 kick physical, 4d6 bite physical | Align: 0 | herbivore, flies, oviparous, regen, nopoly, infravis
21:28 <K2> aosdict: 2) I still don't get why this is put in m_respond unless you want it to trigger from multiple sources <--- I do want it to trigger from multiple sources
21:29 <K2> 1) monsters already automagically fully ID everything already, so there already inst any player/monster symetry in knowning objects
21:29 <K2> cnt spl
21:29 <K2> i used already too many times
21:30 <K2> aosdict you didnt answer my question though, does that code address the other conern you had?
21:34 <Loggers_VIII> heh, vecna's chest had rings of free action levitation and slow digestion
21:34 <Loggers_VIII> holy trinity
21:35 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Fem Neu) genocided locusts, on T:47165 (5:52:00)
21:41 <Umbire> god I'm watching that '00 D&D movie
21:41 <Umbire> worst mistake of my life
21:41 <Umbire> thankfully I'm sporking this with some friend
21:41 <Umbire> *friends
21:43 <Loggers_VIII> I can never stomach bad movies unless I have someone else to laugh at them with
21:52 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/8feb19f4ec97...23707cbd86a9
21:52 <botifico> [EvilHack] k21971 23707cb - Fix: some 'gnomes hate eggs' tweaks.
22:00 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:28534
22:04 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:49990 (6:21:11)
22:09 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:50512 (6:26:45)
22:09 <Loggers_VIII> beheaded :)
22:10 <K2> \o/
22:12 <Loggers_VIII> man I really wish I had a drum of earthquake
22:12 <Loggers_VIII> sort of took those for granted
22:12 <K2> yeah i used to also
22:13 <K2> its neat to breathe new life into what were once unused objects
22:13 <K2> xnh is good at that too
22:14 <Loggers_VIII> I'll have to try xnh soon
22:14 <Loggers_VIII> been snooping around the github and seeing some pretty cool stuff
22:25 <bouquet> +1 vote for xnh
22:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:51811 (6:45:16)
22:28 <Hecubus> [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Trt Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51813 (6:45:20)
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22:50 <Hecubus> [hdf-eu] [evil] parasite (Val Cen Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:46889 (17:56:45)
22:55 <Umbire> Absolutely recommend
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