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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5925 (1:13:28) 09:26 -!- krm26 has joined #evilhack 09:52 !lastgame xialg 09:52 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xialg/evilhack/dumplog/1675584777.evil.html 09:54 doesnt make sense 09:56 yeah that is inexplicable 09:56 bored maybe? 09:57 i know i have to be in the right mood to push on past ascension-kit 09:59 maybe instead of "y" confirming quit it should require a few sentences of explanation :-) 09:59 "Sorry, if you really want to quit, could you be a bit more specific?" 10:04 hah 10:04 he was dual wielding grayswandir and the SoA 10:05 completely decked out 10:05 he/she/they 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide t-shirt of esp", on T:345 (0:07:14) 10:38 k2: goblin town portal has to occur before oracle, right? 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a bone long sword entrusted to him by Kos, on T:1510 (0:12:36) 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2724 (0:27:29) 11:01 Yes if I recall 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4037 (0:37:39) 11:26 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 fixed stormbringer", on T:6317 (0:57:30) 11:30 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible post163's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:6628 (1:01:54) 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had a short sword entrusted to him by Kos, on T:8111 (1:18:24) 11:52 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 fixed Grimtooth", on T:8598 (1:23:46) 12:01 how could i possibly never get a bustling town message all the way down to sokoban 12:06 i must be deaf 12:18 IIRC glon town portal happens on level 2 or 3 12:18 *goblin 12:18 gosh 12:37 yes 12:42 -!- Gutso has joined #evilhack 12:43 @e?[celestial dragon] 12:43 [celestial dragon] ~2~ celestial dragon (D) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 34 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep shock acid petrification | Confer: sleep shock | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 16d4 scream loud, 4d8 bite physical, 4d6 claw physical, 4d6 claw physical, 4d4 cast clerical | Align: 0 | carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, regen, seeinvis, nopoly 12:48 these bear traps are super-efficient, as i've never yet seen a bear 12:50 @e?[Archangel} 12:50 [Archangel} ~2~ Archangel (A) | Lvl: 18 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison petrification magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 70 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast clerical, 2d6 hug physical | Align: 15 | flies, regen, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravis 12:53 [EvilHack] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±13] https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/compare/ee35cd5f18ea...e4a9e958a681 12:53 [EvilHack] k21971 e4a9e95 - Initial preparation for new version (0.8.2). 12:54 any future commits you all see wont be for current version, they'll all be for future new version 12:54 <3 12:55 how goes your game Gutso? 12:58 I just got out of purgatory 12:58 oh nice 12:58 heh, I am so tense 12:59 what did you think of purgatory? 12:59 wizard keeps showing up in the wrong moments 12:59 but with enough wands of cancel he is a bit more manageable 12:59 Oh 13:00 did you stomp it or did you run like a frenzied chicken a la krm26 13:00 purgatory was cool! Loved the fact i didnt have to go back through gehennom and the fact that there is no mysterious force. BUT... As an Italian... growing up reading the divine comedy I think purgatory should be shaped as a spiral (mount going up).... 13:01 i debated that 13:01 I tried to stomp monsters a bit, but then realized there are diminishing returns as powerful player monsters keep showing up 13:01 i felt like adding all of the actual purgatory levels from the story would be too much 13:02 wouldnt add any extra value to the fun factor 13:02 forsan et haec olim meminisse ivvabit 13:02 i do have some purgatory tweaks in the pipeline though 13:03 st michael will be an actual unique angel instead of just a named archangel, for starters 13:04 and if you are wielding sunsword he should call for it and it should return to his hand 13:04 heh 13:05 thanks everyone here for the feedback to date, it's really helped shape up the new content, get it dialed in 13:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:11 sorry i stepped away for a minute 13:12 Maybe not all the levels and circles etc. but I really liked seeing the named archangel 13:13 cool 13:13 also... cool thing, ifrc in the divine comedy in the purgatory there is one punishment consisting in people pushing rocks aorund... maybe there could be some cool (potentially super annoying) think with boulders, like a mini end-game sokoban... 13:14 a pool of archangels with slightly different abilities to randomly select from (a la riders)? 13:14 we already did sokoban :-) 13:14 yeah and I actually kinda dislike it every time i have to do it... so nvm 13:14 nethack is itself sisyphean 13:15 there should be a purgatory level where every open space has a lemur in it :-) 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:9767 (3:18:52) 13:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:9945 (3:22:52) 13:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:9970 (3:24:09) 13:23 one quick question... So I tried talking to the high priest of moloc (before killing him for fun, sadly causing my divine protection to wane..) and he said somethign about trying to sac to the neutral god being futile. Ok so that's a no go. Does it mean I am still 50/50 between lawful and chaotic? Also, did I read something in the wiki that using 13:23 opposite alignment is a no-go with infidels? 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu), 22922 points, T:10295, killed by a homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:26 yes, opposite alignment won't help 13:27 you should have gotten a previous altar hint, i think from your quest giver? can check your ttyrec if you forgot 13:28 you get the next hint from quest leader after you imbue the idol 13:28 ahhhh ok 13:28 or, if you had to kill your quest leader, you get both hints from the high priest in the sanctum 13:28 oh, that's why I didnt recall getting it from him 13:28 so what i'm hearing is make sure to kill your quest leader :-) 13:28 hahah 13:29 mmm.  prob worth going to check. This was the only time I didnt kill him 13:29 was he angry with you? 13:29 no 13:29 ok good 13:29 always angry. not this time 13:29 go have a chat on your way back up 13:30 errands errands errands... :P 13:30 heh 13:32 As Moloch has told you, you must now bring the Idol to one of the high altars 13:32 on the Astral Plane. It's hard to say which deity will be more susceptible 13:32 to Moloch's power, but in all my years fending off non-believers, 13:32 I have noticed that lawfuls are unusually resistant to my clerical magic. 13:32 then Chaotic it is! 13:32 \o/ 13:32 for RP purposes I should prob kill him now... right? 13:32 muahahahaha 13:33 hmm i'd leave well enough alone 13:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) completed her quest without incident, on T:108870 (1 day, 13:26:33) 13:34 huh 13:34 btw. Is it normal that committing cannibalism as an infidel causes it to prompt "you're going to regret this" 13:34 do me a favor, chat up your quest leader again 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) completed her quest without incident, on T:108871 (1 day, 13:27:47) 13:34 Gutso yeah, infidels dont get a special pass for cannibalism 13:34 hah look at that bug 13:35 should be easy fix 13:35 glad i could help 13:35 the chat thing i mean, not cannibalism 13:35 i figured 13:35 quest was completed long ago 13:37 added to the bug tracker 13:38 i really should start straitening up my basement. but i dont wanna 13:38 *straightening 13:38 blaaaah 13:38 i just wanna veg and watch a movie 13:38 !rng watch a movie | clean basement 13:38 K2: watch a movie 13:38 \o/ 13:39 the RNG has spoken 13:39 !8ball should I listen to the RNG? 13:39 K2: Yes definitely 13:39 \o/ 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) entered the Planes, on T:109421 (1 day, 13:48:37) 13:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu), 3113 points, T:1685, killed by a giant mimic 14:01 -!- Gutso has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:01 K2: I FOUND A BUG 14:01 You see here barding. 14:02 it should be You see here some barding. 14:02 or "a piece of barding" 14:04 'some barding' 14:04 yeah, known minor bug 14:05 minor?! literally unplayable 14:06 You see here greased barding. 14:07 brb 14:07 You sit on the saddle. It's not very comfortable... 14:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2310 (0:07:38) 14:08 YANI: ^ this message is swapped out for a YAFM if you have basic or higher in riding 14:08 wow mithril dagger + goblin king = dead goblin king 14:09 aosdict: that is my original idea, give it back 14:09 * aosdict clutches idea to chest and scampers off cackling to the yani archive 14:10 The Amulet of Yendor feels warm. You finish eating the giant rat corpse. 14:11 aw it cant heat up food? 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2256 (0:30:52) 14:11 do you WANT it to be hot enough to heat up food? 14:11 while wearing it? 14:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a gnome mummy, on T:3414 (0:12:09) 14:13 Today I'm going to be showing all y'all Dungeongoers how to use your Amulet of Yendor to make the perfect sous vide 14:17 The poison doesn't seem to affect the gray fungus. You kill the gray fungus! Your crude dagger is no longer poisoned. 14:17 wtf man 14:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5699 (0:21:07) 14:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6634 points, T:5723, poisoned by a gray fungus, while praying 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3094 (0:44:46) 14:31 -!- Gutso has joined #evilhack 14:34 ooh Gutso on plane of air 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Con Gno Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2095 (0:42:04) 14:36 blue dragons are so annoying on that plane, sometimes I just geno them... 14:37 ah water 14:37 I forgot how to do the planes 14:37 heh 14:37 need to read again 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Con Gno Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:2144 (0:43:46) 14:37 air is always scariest to me 14:37 do you have magical breathing? 14:38 yes 14:38 you need to float in your bubble, but 14:38 I honetly even prefer it to life saving 14:38 cuz in evilh everything can choke you to death 14:38 the water elementals will engulf, but you got that covered 14:38 confused gold det and then float around... 14:39 if you can cast magic mapping it's a bit less boring 14:39 let's you see if the bubble with the portal is approaching 14:39 I am curious to ask you how the heck do you ascend anything other than an uber strong infidel demon... and its already hard as it is. I am dreaming of ascending a monk tortle but after seeing the end of this game with this guy it seems impossible 14:40 next best is a strong melee type wielding 2 great artifact weapons 14:41 There hasn't been what I would consider a weak evilhack class ascended since .7.1 14:41 monk is pretty good, but yeah, tortle is difficult 14:41 i have ascended a monk tortle. it was not simple 14:42 weak as in say a pacifist gnome healer? 14:42 VaderFLAG some roles have more trouble than others with MR double trouble wizard 14:42 I hate that aspect of the current game 14:42 lottery 14:43 you can get lucky and never get an MR wizard at all 14:43 yes, i've had a priest get an mr double trouble wizard and i had to finally just escape without 3 quest artifacts in order to ascend 14:43 yeah that's what I am thinking of. Like Evilhack rodney with MR is such a pain even with uber strong char. Not even lucy was that hard (in fact it was surprisingly easy, I had lost my staff of archmagi and simply hammered him to death with angeslayer 14:44 angelslayer is surprisingly good! 14:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 6 daggers on an altar, on T:3163 (0:48:50) 14:46 ok wow. I am here. almost can't believe it. 14:46 I forget. Is there a way to know which altar is which before hand? 14:47 no 14:47 if you find one, it's a bug :-) 14:48 ok. Let's see if i can make it...! 14:48 watching! good luck 14:49 giving another read on the wiki about the rider. etc... its been a while. Too bad I didnt get the fancy red horse.. 14:49 Red horse is so bonkers good 14:49 23 charisma? Just sweet talk the riders into letting you by 14:50 how do i do that? do they generate peaceful to me? 14:50 Should i remove conflict? 14:50 i can never keep the horse alive for more than like 30 seconds 14:50 if you have no pets conflict is good 14:51 I will resist the urge to lie about being able to #chat the riders to make them peaceful. I will resist the urge to lie about being able to #chat the riders to make them peaceful. I will resist the urge to lie about being able to #chat the riders to make them peaceful. 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed dragonhide +2 speed boots", on T:3963 (1:11:08) 14:52 oh I see huh? So you're sayin i SHOULD chat them up right ? ....;P 14:52 my own strat is no conflict and make lots of woolly mammoth pets 14:53 yeah i like magic whistle + 15 woolly mammoths, really takes away the fear of an @npc running off with your precious 14:53 I am def not prepared for that, but is that like cursed genocide mammoths + taming? 14:54 otoh, you are probably powerful enough to blast the opposition away 14:54 yeah 14:54 don't get surrounded by angels, their missile attacks can be crippling 14:55 yeah, cursed genocide + confused taming 14:55 don't sweat it, it isn't necessary if you aren't prepped. it is just...relaxing 14:55 do NPCs try to steal the idol?? 14:55 i sometimes just do it with like 5 wands of teleport and never let anything dangerous touch me 14:55 i have not ascended an infidel, but i assume so 14:56 never thought about that, infidel has no amulet... 14:56 one thing that i think is mandatory on astral is a wand of tp 14:56 are you playing genoless Gutso? 14:57 you should be done with magical breathing unless a sea dragon pops out of nowhere 14:57 and a wand of death cures that, so if you are nervous definitely do life saving 14:57 yeah good time to switch to life saving 14:57 you guys are making me wanna try this mammoth madness thing 14:57 lol 14:58 IF you do that, have full healing ready 14:58 those mammoths hit hard when you summon them 14:58 -54 ac he is probably ok :-) 14:58 you say that, but... 14:58 just don't burden yourself 14:59 ah anonymous riders already implemented 14:59 nice one K2 15:00 woolly 15:00 hahahaha 15:00 :-) 15:00 ll 15:00 woolly 15:00 mammoth 15:01 wait 15:01 unicorn horn! 15:01 waitwait 15:01 waitwait 15:01 omigod you just walked next to a vorpal jabberwock 15:01 that is some chutzpah 15:02 at least life saving is on :-) 15:02 oh it is just a regular one? my bad 15:02 reg jabba 15:02 i never expect to see anything but vorpal on astral 15:03 when i do woolly i read 3 or 4 scrolls so i can always have a cloud around me :-) 15:03 against angels, angelslayer is really nice of course 15:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Pestilence, on T:109681 (1 day, 14:26:43) 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the White Horse, on T:109684 (1 day, 14:27:59) 15:08 watch your hungry status Gutso 15:08 oh taken care off 15:09 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 15:10 my fingers are trembling! 15:10 which altar do you need? 15:10 chaotic 15:10 you got this! 15:10 first time is nerve wracking, I know... 15:11 whistle the woollies! 15:12 ABWW, Always Be Whistlin' Woolies 15:12 heh one left 15:12 hahahah 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:4032 (1:15:43) 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4039 (1:16:31) 15:18 acid blast, yeah! 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) put Death down for a little nap, on T:109787 (1 day, 14:41:05) 15:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:109791 (1 day, 14:41:59) 15:20 found it!!!! 15:20 ok. 15:21 here goes nothing.... 15:21 invoke!! 15:21 duh 15:21 WOOHOO 15:21 \o/ 15:21 grats 15:21 congrats! 15:22 uh... 15:22 wtf? 15:22 oh no... 15:22 mmm 15:22 wrong altar after all 15:22 ok, so, not that 15:22 how did i get this wrong...? 15:23 check your gear 15:23 fuck. I lost all the goodies. 15:23 never give up 15:23 I don't think i will make it... 15:24 the priest said that he had a vision of the neutral god resisting conversion. 15:24 and my quest leader said As Moloch has told you, you must now bring the Idol to one of the high altars 15:24 on the Astral Plane. It's hard to say which deity will be more susceptible 15:24 to Moloch's power, but in all my years fending off non-believers, 15:24 I have noticed that lawfuls are unusually resistant to my clerical magic. 15:24 so i assumed it was chaotic. 15:24 wat did I do wrong? 15:26 yeah I don't understand either 15:26 is it becuse I killed the priest so my god is mad at me? i dont understand 15:26 what was the message you got at the altar just now? 15:27 Is there a way to check exactly what the high priest said to me?. If its the neutral god maybe I cans till make it. I dont know how to use ttyrec 15:27 there should be no peaceful priest, maybe 1 became peaceful after taming 15:27 that message I got form my quest leader on my way to the planes 15:27 you need to use ttyrec to go further back than your message history 15:27 sorry guys, noob question but how do i do that? ttyrec? 15:28 yeah better save and learn about ttyrec first :-( 15:28 imo it is worth ttyrec. you don't have to use a player, it is gross but you can just grep for what you want 15:28 true, text search will do 15:28 i just load the binary barf in vsc cuz i am lazy 15:28 and waiting for someone to write a vsc ttyrec plugin :-) 15:29 that's a foreign language to me... 15:29 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/evilhack-us/ 15:29 and search Gutso 15:29 you want me to look for you? 15:30 i am trying. but maybe you're faster than me 15:31 lemme look at the code base and see what messages we are after 15:31 also are you completely sure you were on the chaotic altar? sometimes people look at a priest and the altar has the same alignment as the priest 15:32 * assume that 15:32 mmm idk I used the look floor command and I think I saw chaotic 15:32 ok check 15:32 yep def chaotic 15:34 hmm, maybe in your 11/18 ttyrec 15:35 so lawful message from questgiver confirmed 15:36 mobileuser, what is some of the text of the other hint? 15:36 got this one: "As Moloch has told you, you must now bring %O to one of the high altars 15:36 on the Astral Plane. It's hard to say which deity will be more susceptible 15:36 to Moloch's power, but in all my years fending off non-believers, 15:36 I have noticed that %ap are unusually resistant to my clerical magic. 15:36 yes that one i am sure cause i got it today and copy/pasted here. a couple of days ago i was in sanctum and high pirest of moloc said something about the neutral god vision etc 15:36 ok will check some older ttyrecs 15:38 i don't see anything in any of your unarchived ttyrecs with "neutral" in it 15:38 mayb try Thoth? 15:39 or what is his name 15:39 it is *a* name, every class uses different god names 15:39 or try chaotic... 15:40 i did 15:40 sorry doing dishes at the moment 15:40 guys I am very grateful. But also a bit sad... 15:40 what day was the message on? the 10th? the 9th? 15:41 every time you saved, new ttyrec 15:41 so there is a lot to download and go through 15:41 i am pretty sure it was the 9 15:41 9th 15:41 thursday 15:41 ok, you have like 8 ttyrecs from that day, i'll start looking 15:44 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 15:45 K2 do Infidels have trouble converting altars if alignment is bad? 15:45 nope, no telltale alignments in any of the ttyrecs from the 9th 15:46 ok, found it 15:46 from the 10th 15:46 ok. Well we can try by exclusion then. The message I pasted above clearly states that lawful are no good for this. And chaotic... didnt work. So I guess it's safe to assume I misread the message and it IS the neutral altar after all... 15:46 ok 15:46 K"I shall offer thee some advice. Last night, I had a vision. There was 15:46 a great battle in heaven; the forces of our Lord Moloch were besieging 15:46 a fortress of Thoth. But his neutral minions held their 15:46 ground for thirty days and nights and, sadly, the fortress was not taken. 15:46 "The meaning here is clear: when in thy mission thou reachest heaven, 15:46 challenging Thoth will likely be futile. Keep this in mind." 15:47 that does look like it means not neutral 15:47 ok so I read it well. It says challenging neutral is futile. And challenging lawful is futile. So why did I not win the game yet. Bwahahaha i am so sad lol 15:48 i missed what you actually did -- did you perform the sacrifice properly? 15:48 I simply #invoked the idol on the altar. Not what I am supposed to do? 15:49 afaik that is correct (infidel is the one class i've never ascended in evil) 15:49 at this point i would ask for k2's input before continuing to maximize your chances of still succeeding 15:50 maybe it's not 100% granted and just got lucky 15:50 i don't think so 15:50 I wonder if it is alignment 15:51 so for your records the ttyrec with your quest giver's hint is: 2023-02-10.02_24_32.ttyrec 15:51 you killed the high priest of Moloch on the sanctum? 15:51 (sorry i couldn't be of more help) 15:51 I don't think I saw a stethoscope on you to check alignment... 15:51 krm you've been great 15:52 and mobile user yes I did kill him and angered my god a bit (lost divine protection) but I also performed a few sac on my way to the planes and got the clover luck message 15:52 I so that should be fine... 15:52 damn 15:53 yeah we need input from K2 here 15:53 do you know if invoking the idol for conversion has a chence to fail? 15:53 chance 15:53 I've never seen it fail 15:53 i find that hard to believe 15:54 I mean that would be truly EVIL... 15:54 I hope no bug was introduced, eg with the latest Rider change :-( 15:55 well if it's a bug... I have you guys as witnesses for bragging rights! If it's not... bwhahahahaah I am so sad.. 15:55 what changed with the riders? 15:56 are the gauntlets of purity worth giving up Grayswandir and Dragonbane? 15:57 if you are a caster 100% 15:58 (monk, priest, wizard) 15:58 What if I'm a samurai whose main use of head is knocking down doors? 15:58 probably? you have better weapons than grayswandir, right? 15:59 dual-wielding some of the other swords? 15:59 SoA/Vorpal/Sunsword? 15:59 I do better with Snickersnee, yet to develop dual-weaponing but yes, the Grays is inferior 15:59 but do I lose acid resistance by doing the purity thing? 16:00 yes 16:00 but you get 25 str 16:00 and the best defense is a good offense 16:00 right, so first defeat the Ice Queen, then forge 16:00 Gutso https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/79a31a946c8f89f845097cb0798dad8b6deb1a44 16:01 also dragonbane can be nice before you have another reliable way of killing black dragons, since you can beat them to death with dragonbane 16:01 but once you can magic missile them into oblivion then purity i'd say 16:01 ^ ^ the change I was talking about 16:02 oh yeah. harder and harder 16:03 K2 16:03 hey K, When you have minute, do you think you could help me figure why I got blasted trying to invoke the idol on the chaotic altar? The guys helped me check the ttyrec of the hints given by quest leader and high priest and they both seem to exclude Lawful and neutral altars respectively so I am not sure why my conversion didn't work on the 16:03 chaotic altar... 16:04 use (bang)tell k2 blah blah to make sure he sees it 16:04 oh K2 scans the logs 16:04 he will see 16:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6453 (2:11:46) 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:6519 (2:12:48) 16:22 -!- Gutso has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had a staff of escape entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:7486 (2:43:17) 16:26 -!- Gutso has joined #evilhack 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Cen Fem Neu) had a wooden battle-axe entrusted to her by Crom, on T:7207 (2:49:54) 16:47 Thanks for giving me an inferior battle axe after Cleaver, Crom! That's good thinking! 16:55 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:04 where an infidel coverts the high altar on astral plane is in artifact.c 17:05 starting at line 3003 (case CHANNEL:) 17:06 i just did a test run in wizmode, my infidel also had the chaotic altar to covert - didnt have any issues 17:09 Gutso, had you used the idol recently, maybe to create some demons to help you fight? 17:10 its this line right here - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/artifact.c#L3040 17:10 K2 I watched, in that case he would have had a message about the Idol ignoring him 17:10 two conditions have to be met 17:10 instead he got the tendrils etc 17:11 yeah you'd get tendrils regardless 17:11 on any altar 17:12 and the disintegration blast that destroyed most of his gear? 17:12 moloch must be pissed off 17:12 gods dont do the disintegration ray unless your alignment record is shit 17:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9115 (3:27:00) 17:13 ok. So i guess this happened only because I angered him by killing priest? 17:13 probably 17:13 will enlgightment tell me? 17:13 it should 17:13 do you have a wand of elightenment or potion of same? 17:13 is there any way to repair that without access to an altar? 17:13 *enlightenment 17:13 yes. Gonna check not 17:13 nnow 17:14 btw that last peaceful priest you killed should not make any difference 17:14 Moloch doesn't care 17:14 Current Status: 17:14   You are flying. 17:14   You are unencumbered. 17:14   You are wielding a quarterstaff. 17:14   You are skilled in quarterstaff. 17:14  Current Attributes: 17:14   You are the Emissary of Moloch. 17:14   You are piously aligned. 17:14   Monster generation rate is 8.00x. 17:14   You are magic-protected. 17:14   You are 100% fire resistant. 17:14   You are 100% cold resistant. 17:14   You are 100% sleep resistant. 17:14   You are 100% disintegration resistant. 17:14   You are 100% shock resistant. 17:14   You are 100% poison resistant. 17:14   You are acid resistant. 17:14   You are level-drain resistant. 17:14 ok pious 17:14   You are 100% poison resistant. 17:14   You are acid resistant. 17:14 hmm 17:14   You are level-drain resistant. 17:14   You are immune to sickness. 17:14   You are immune to the effects of death magic. 17:14   You see invisible. 17:15 should i try again? 17:15 oh does conflict matter? 17:16 it shouldnt 17:16 i killed the high preist in the sanctum. That's where moloch got a little pissed at me taking away divine protection, but that was it... 17:16 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Anger#Other_ways_to_get_a_god_to_smite_you 17:16 whats your luck 17:17 You are warned. 17:17   You are aware of the presence of dragons because of Dragonbane. 17:17   You have infravision. 17:17   You aggravate monsters. 17:17   You cause conflict. 17:17   You can teleport. 17:17   You have teleport control. 17:17   You regenerate. 17:17   You can survive without having to eat. 17:17   You are warded. 17:17   You take reduced spell damage. 17:17   You are harmed by silver. 17:17   You are very fast. 17:17   You have reflection. 17:17   You have free action. 17:17   Your life will be saved. 17:17   You are extremely lucky. 17:17   You have extra luck. 17:17 ok 17:17 just asked for luck but that'll work :) 17:18 so... should i try converting altar again..? 17:18 sure but wait one 17:18 ok 17:18 do me a favor - save your game, lemme make a copy of it 17:18 ^ good idea 17:18 just in case there's a bug here i'm not seeing 17:18 yup. I also have to leave for work in 15 so it's now or tomorrow 17:19 this will only take a min 17:19 Saved 17:19 ok copied 17:19 go for it 17:19 ok. Gonna try converrsion again... 17:20 #invoke idol while standing on altar, correct? 17:20 yes 17:20 yes but will maybe ignore you? 17:20 idol ignoring me 17:20 yeah there's a cooling off period 17:20 yeah 17:20 jeeee..... like 100 turns? 17:20 RNG 17:20 roughly yeah 17:21 could also be 200 :-( 17:21 kill stuff 17:21 i dont think i am gonna make it.... but ill try burning a few wishes 17:21 that'll pass the time 17:21 you made it this far, should be alright 17:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "+2 crystal plate mail", on T:109806 (1 day, 15:49:21) 17:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una) averted death (killed by the illithid high priest of Anhur), on T:109810 (1 day, 15:49:41) 17:24 dead... 17:24 ok. 17:24 i am officiall depressed. 17:24 but I really appreaciate all of you guys help 17:24 be proud! 17:24 :/ 17:25 hopefully K2 will find something 17:25 yeah i'll load the save and see 17:25 It's just that I really wanted to move on with my life. Now Idk... the sky is gray and life doesnt taste as good... 17:25 obvs I am joking. But ascending EVil has been a ting on my mind for the past few months 17:26 code wise i dont see anything wrong. as many infidels that have been ascended, if there was a core issue it would have shown up way earlier 17:26 Gutso i feel for ya. i've died while standing on the correct altar before 17:26 maybe it wasn't the right altar. who knows. I'll give it another try some time in the future. 17:26 the frustrating thing is, he did nothing wrong 17:26 You guys ahve been great. Now... REAL life 17:27 good luck! 17:27 bye!!!!!!!!  <# 17:27 <3 17:27 -!- Gutso has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:27 aww... 17:30 hrm 17:31 recompiling 0.8.1 17:31 gonna check this out 17:43 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:51 i think i see the problem 17:51 maybe 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Dem Fem Una), 4937554 points, T:109811, killed by the illithid high priest of Anhur (with the Idol) 17:58 yup found the cause 17:58 not Gutso's fault 17:59 its an inherit flaw with the way Tomsod flagged the idol as having gone through the process of being imbued 17:59 gdammit 18:02 easy fix but damn this is bad 18:02 Tomsod made this patch for vanilla nethack, so this flaw wouldnt have expressed itself as easily, but it still could have happened 18:03 to fix this proper will break saves, could fix now using a more hacky method 18:03 uuuugh 18:07 Rough bugs lately 18:08 kinda surprised this hadnt happened sooner 18:09 So is it from the priest or from some other invocation earlier? 18:10 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Hum Fem Una), 664 points, T:1052, killed by a bugbear 18:10 look here - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/artifact.c#L3020-L3053 18:10 tell me what you see could go wrong 18:10 took me a quick minute to realize it 18:11 once i did, was super easy to reproduce 18:14 hackemslashem you see it? 18:14 Does it have to do with obj->spe = 1? 18:14 oh yes 18:14 Could it get cancelled :? 18:15 more oh yes 18:15 thats exactly what happened 18:15 well well 18:15 That's rough lol 18:16 even if the infidel patch were appllied to vanilla nethack, this could still make the game unwinnable (cancel self) 18:16 so... yeah 18:16 easy fix, the hacky way is to just make the idol immune to cancellation 18:17 a more proper fix would be a new u. flag 18:17 Is that less hacky, because you still need to cross check a flag against having the idol right? 18:17 So the idol can get canceled and thus doesn't work on the astral altar?? 18:17 VaderFLAG correct 18:18 Wow that is... pretty evil 18:18 not evil - dumb 18:18 was never the intent 18:18 hackemslashem, it looks as if the ->spe = 1 bit is showing 'hey the idol was imbued' 18:19 wtf did he not just make a proper flag for that instead? 18:19 and wtf did none of us see the potential for bad here? 18:20 Yea spe is generally a chargeable thing or something easily manipulatable 18:21 Which you would definitely NOT WANT with something that depends on winning the game 18:21 congrats Loggers if you read this, you're not the only one subject to a bug making the game unwinnable 18:22 seriously, how this hasnt happened sooner... 18:22 the idol will resist cancellation since its a quest artifact 18:22 but its not immune 18:23 * K2 shakes his fists at the gods 18:23 i'll make an 'emergency' update to 0.8.1 18:23 Would you do an object flag or a u.flag? 18:23 will probably re-release it 18:23 hackemslashem dunno yet 18:24 probably a u. flag since its something YOU do 18:25 Theres u_have, u_event, u_achieve, all seem kinda valid 18:25 or u.imbued lol 18:26 Or my favorite from the pirate "boolean ukinghill;" ;D 18:28 heh 18:28 ok i gotta eat 18:28 back in a bit 18:28 if you all see Gutso before I do, please let them know what was discovered 18:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:35 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 19:10 or you could stick it in oprops or something, to keep it on the object but not cancelable 19:11 this probably wouldn't work but it would be funny if you could wield the idol and read enchant weapon to imbue it 19:24 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 19:44 just catching up -- good catch on the infidel bug k2 19:44 poor gutso 19:55 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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