00:00 so now I get to sit on my literal ass waiting for it to recharge while I intermittently swat away insects from atop this SM scroll 00:00 including a stray locust 00:01 (I'm a convict and immune but my pet is not) 00:06 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Kni Orc Mal Cha) had Dirge gifted to him by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:4228 (0:50:13) 00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Kni Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4686 (0:58:21) 00:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Con Ith Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:15457 (14:20:18) 00:21 Gave up and teleported the gnoll cleric away, prize tool came through at least 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:48972 (7:29:56) 00:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Con Ith Mal Cha), 49410 points, T:15731, killed by a gargoyle 00:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Con Ith Fem Cha), 44 points, T:575, killed by a goblin 00:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 60 points, T:282, killed by a tower of flame 00:59 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 146640 points, T:51334, killed by an air elemental 01:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2916 (0:40:08) 01:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1617 points, T:3098, killed by an electric chair 02:09 !lastgame UmberConductor 02:09 NetSysFire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/U/UmberConductor/evilhack/dumplog/1675317131.evil.html :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/U/UmberConductor/evilhack/dumplog/1673762951.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/U/UmberConductor/evilhack/dumplog/1671326433.evil.html 02:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #evilhack 02:49 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 02:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 475 points, T:2048, killed by a nightmare 03:24 how does thieving work? can you lets say steal a wielded weapon (like the silver saber of a watchmen)? 03:37 I think it's random what gets stolen 03:37 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a long sword entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:6693 (1:26:24) 03:39 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Dirge gifted to him by the grace of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:7178 (1:27:34) 03:46 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Brute, on T:7653 (1:34:49) 03:54 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:8555 (1:43:17) 04:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 16513 points, T:13219, killed by a dwarf lord 04:08 K2: can i ask for a big favor? implement the dnh-style max hp/pw adjustments on con/wis change 04:09 so even when you start with 3 con you can still get the maximum of hp you could get for your level when you exercise con up to your max 04:20 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:13337 (2:08:48) 04:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] UmberConductor (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 640 points, T:2405, killed by a kitten, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:41 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:15562 (2:29:44) 04:43 -!- stenno has joined #evilhack 04:43 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a wooden long sword entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:16629 (2:32:16) 04:51 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a spear entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:19174 (2:39:37) 04:54 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:05 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a long sword entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:22071 (2:54:12) 05:38 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha) had a wooden spear entrusted to him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:26197 (3:26:59) 06:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:35 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 06:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 frost brand", on T:113628 (1 day, 19:09:59) 06:36 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36 HAH 06:36 HAH HAH 06:36 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 06:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) used a forge to create The Sword of Annihilation, on T:113836 (1 day, 19:15:46) 06:42 alright, NOW i can leave a bones 06:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided green slimes, on T:113857 (1 day, 19:22:13) 06:53 did you get the sword? 06:53 yup, 6th time the charm 06:53 lol nice 06:53 so 7 wishes for 2 artifacts 06:53 so all those failed wishes were RNG after all 06:54 ayup 06:54 i have the most completely mapped full dungeon ever now tho 06:54 yeah :-) 06:54 i know the location of every gas station from here to mordor 06:54 haha 06:54 (for old people, that is a what's new with phil and dixie joke from dragon magazine in the 80s :-) 06:58 waht the heck is a magazine? 06:59 i know right 07:00 that is when words sometimes weren't just russian bot propaganda to destabilize democracy, and were put on paper because they weren't just 100% bilious lies 07:00 oh for the days of only 85% bilious lies 07:00 ah well at least coffee comes in plastic pods now 07:01 what is really funny is i've made it to turn 113k sacrificing my butt off and never been crowned 07:08 but did you actually pray? 07:08 (just checking because you only mentioned sacrificing) 07:09 hah you know you are right 07:09 i may never have prayed :-) 07:09 heh 07:10 i'm probably going to do one final attempt at magical breathing because i am anal, and i normally transform back from xorn by throwing my weapon up in the air 07:10 i predict i do it with the sword of annihilation without thinking and disintegrate myself 07:11 not wearing black-scaled armor? :-) 07:11 not as a xorn (but no) 07:11 ah 07:17 krm26 \o/ 07:20 my kit could only be more ideal if i had vorpal blade instead of sunsword for my offhand (although i regret not being able to use angelslayer because of low skill) 07:43 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:56 20 wishes for vorpal 08:28 -!- elenmirie has joined #evilhack 08:41 my wish factory would have been a little more efficient but smoky was confusion, so no collection off bodies -- every one smashed over my head first :-) 08:51 Smashed smoky potions should erupt in a screaming disintegrating genie with the wish quaff chance 08:54 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 09:01 i always groan a lot when there is smoky acid/blindness/etc :-) smash smash smash 09:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:114337 (1 day, 20:15:14) 09:02 oops 09:03 was trying to fix my prayer timer and blew it 09:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1895 (1:30:31) 09:13 -!- hackemslashem has joined #evilhack 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 1738 points, T:2431, killed by a water moccasin, while sleeping 09:15 just wanted to get rid of my cursed dagger :( 09:15 Loggers_VIII: Message from Umbire at 2023-02-01 22:27 EST: sorry about the Medusa death there 09:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:114856 (1 day, 20:32:27) 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:114858 (1 day, 20:32:33) 09:20 krm26 finally got SoA? 09:20 yup, 6th wish was the charm! 09:21 hahaha 09:21 just regular unlucky I guess 09:22 can't wait to see lucifer disintegrated 09:23 i don't have that kind of luck 09:23 miss, graz'zt gates in, miss, graz'zt steals the sword 09:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:114948 (1 day, 20:37:14) 09:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 258 points, T:881, killed by a large mimic 09:32 man beheading shambling horrors are a real problem 09:32 oof 09:32 hahahahaha 09:32 i just pulled the wrong scroll out and evaporated annihilation 09:32 just saw that 09:33 hahaha 09:33 well... the stairs aren't gone 09:33 no recovering from that 09:33 you'll be fiiiiine 09:33 can still ascend but it wont be fun any more, might just go leave a bones somewhere 09:34 pff 09:34 115,000 turns in and thinking of quitting 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the elven high priest of Moloch, on T:115161 (1 day, 20:47:17) 09:34 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:115164 (1 day, 20:47:28) 09:35 although if you are considering leaving bones I hear dungeon level ten is a popular spot :) 09:36 no longer afraid of shambling horrors at least :-) let 'em come 09:36 a hacker with nothing to lose is a hacker to be feared 09:37 76 shuriken???? 09:37 sir you have been playing for TOO LONG 09:37 and I suspect it's only slightly your fault 09:38 actually you can just forge shuriken out of practically dirt in evil can't you 09:39 lol 76 09:40 he hasn't moved for a couple minutes... 09:41 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:41 we want to see the Lucifer fight! 09:41 sorry, decided to make myself a drink 09:43 although you don't want to melee Lucifer whilst vulnerable to fire 09:43 as embarrassed as I am to admit it, I'm sort of excited to see something other than a disintegrated luci for once 09:43 yeah don't do that lol 09:43 @e?lucifer 09:43 Lucifer (&) | Lvl: 110 | Diff: 66 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire shock poison drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 99 | Gen: unique | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 weapon physical, 4d6 claw wither, 8d8 cast fire, 4d6 cast clerical | Align: -20 | flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravis, silverhate 09:44 8d8 cast fire is killing 09:44 is there a reason why some of the balrogs on special levels are named? are they just random? 09:45 flavour I guess 09:45 zagum's gotta be my fav 09:45 oh here we go 09:46 gotta step on the fire trap... 09:46 uh oh he didn't wait for fire vulnerability to wear off.. 09:46 oh he got the boulder fort 09:46 oh boulder fort 09:47 using a poisoned weapon... dishonorable bastard 09:47 yeah boulder fort won't work, just letting the spell wear off 09:47 idk I think you've got enough shuriken 09:48 argh stupid filler monsters 09:48 the only problem with boulder fort is that he fills the level with graveyard monsters 09:48 yeah 09:48 no aklys??? 09:48 aklyses are for nerds :) 09:48 said the nerd 09:48 bored 09:49 haha yes kill him 09:49 kick his ass six ways to sunday (maybe go for seven if you're feeling stylish) 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Lucifer, on T:115285 (1 day, 21:03:03) 09:50 \o/ 09:50 \o/ 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Purgatory, on T:115302 (1 day, 21:04:25) 09:53 run run run 09:55 fuck I've gotta go 09:55 why does this always happen when I'm watching someone's ascension run 09:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:57 i am slow, i might still be going when you get back in 12 hours 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 45193 points, T:36286, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while helpless 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:116045 (1 day, 21:21:44) 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:116050 (1 day, 21:22:16) 10:14 -!- dbanethacker has joined #evilhack 10:14 i hate water so much 10:15 no, you love it 10:15 you need water to live 10:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 10:16 you are mad -- you need scotch to live 10:16 eh 10:16 so i exploded the sword before lucifer k2, accidentally used enchant weapon when i thought i was using enchant armor :-) 10:16 lol noooo 10:16 that was funny to see happen 10:16 so all that effort, and you exploded it 10:17 i normally leave weapons at +5 to prevent that EXACT idiocy but i was excited by the sword 10:17 ayup 10:17 I approve 10:17 so now i have to do this AGAIN :-) 10:17 this run has been quite the roller coaster to watch 10:18 but nothing can stop him now 10:19 plane of air can surprise you -- double trouble, thunder stuns, antimatter vortexes i can no longer hit with my poofed sword 10:20 speaking of which... 10:20 geno at the ready 10:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:116309 (1 day, 21:33:26) 10:22 !tell K2 I'm getting this issue in EvilHack too:https://github.com/elunna/hackem/issues/196 10:22 I'm on it, hackemslashem. 10:24 lies 10:24 K2: Message from hackemslashem at 2023-02-02 10:22 EST: I'm getting this issue in EvilHack too:https://github.com/elunna/hackem/issues/196 10:25 fake news! 10:25 ok, you got me 10:25 alternative facts! 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:116406 (1 day, 21:38:05) 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:116407 (1 day, 21:38:05) 10:25 I looked, and behold, a pale horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him! 10:25 hackem is just a false flag to undermine evilhack 10:25 heh 10:26 does death get up faster than the other riders in evil or is that just vanilla? 10:26 same bug in xnethack too 10:27 hey I knew they did damage through gloves! 10:27 I knew I wasn't crazy 10:27 bug is *not* in vanilla nethack 10:28 they called me crazy... but I'll show them... I'll show ALL OF THEM! 10:28 so cray 10:28 yeah I only saw it in evil 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:116463 (1 day, 21:41:56) 10:29 hmm pestilence is gonna be nasty if krm26 encounters him 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the saddled barded Black Horse, on T:116464 (1 day, 21:42:01) 10:30 so the bug was known in evil but none of the monks here reported it? ;-) 10:30 gg 10:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 8579046 points, T:116487, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1674744444.evil.html 10:30 congrats! 10:31 so k2 i have one major improvement issue for evilhack now that is bouncing around in my brain 10:32 which is the npcs that steal from you and are very difficult to chase down -- which in endgame can be game ending 10:32 and is very effectively protected against by avoiding/teleporting them 10:32 i kinda feel like it means you either roll your dice and maybe get f'd or just always zap them away? 10:33 and there should maybe be some other reliable options for dealing with them so you don't get forced into the same strategy 10:33 k2 is very familiar with NPCs stealing weapons in the endgame :) 10:33 yup 10:33 re: purgatory, having done it twice now, i like it a lot, but wish i could hang around and enjoy it more re: scary @npcs :-) 10:34 the other reliable option is to kill them 10:34 i'm not going to make dealing with npc's easier 10:35 i'm never for making things easier 10:35 isn't it just rogues that steal from you? and dark knights? 10:35 I guess arcs with bullwhip 10:35 all npcs should have wands of punishment they can zap at you 10:35 any npc can try to steal the amulet 10:35 rogue npcs can steal anything 10:36 vaderflag god wand of punishment sounds horrible 10:36 wand of WTF 10:37 actually, I'd bet money that it exists in slex in some form 10:37 !lastgame krm26 10:37 Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1674744444.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/krm26/evilhack/dumplog/1623895588.evil.html 10:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Con Gno Fem Cha), 293 points, T:925, killed by a flint stone 10:37 k2 can you tame celestial dragons? 10:38 yeah 10:38 i think so 10:39 yup you can 10:40 seems like I've got a new purpose in life 10:41 @e?celestial dragon 10:41 celestial dragon (D) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 34 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep shock acid petrification | Confer: sleep shock | MR: 50 | Gen: special | AC: -6 | Atk: 16d4 scream loud, 4d8 bite physical, 4d6 claw physical, 4d6 claw physical, 4d4 cast clerical | Align: 0 | carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, regen, seeinvis, nopoly 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide helm of speed", on T:21944 (8:13:41) 10:42 If you tame a celestial dragon it autonames to Temeraire 10:43 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Con Gno Mal Cha), 175 points, T:404, killed by a silver sling bullet 10:43 man, hobbits today 10:44 do sling bullets still change color when fired if they're of different material than the default? 10:45 yeah its a known bug 10:45 and there's no easy fix 10:45 it's not a bug it's a feature 10:45 I hope it's never fixed 10:45 sling bullets are the best item 10:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Hob Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2033 (0:17:19) 11:04 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #evilhack 11:05 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Con Gno Fem Cha), 0 points, T:8, killed by a jackal 11:14 are dwarf lords always generated with enchanted armor? 11:15 no, sometimes they wear crap stuff :-) 11:18 weird, I feel like every dwarf lord I find is kitted out with only the finest of dwarven make 11:18 man I love orctown 11:18 rng 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had a steel chain mail entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:6814 (0:47:26) 11:22 slashthem has the wand of wonder, and a random effect is punishment if I remember correctly 11:23 I used a forge to break my ball and chain! Neat feature 11:24 it's a fun feature yeah 11:24 took me like 60 #forge attempts lol 11:27 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:7777 (0:55:01) 11:27 oh cool! 11:27 NOW I can reach basic in everything 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Con Gno Fem Cha), 983 points, T:1863, killed by a bugbear 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) had a spellbook of identify given to him by Moloch, on T:26351 (3:28:00) 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Tou Hob Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed dragonhide +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:8090 (0:59:37) 11:32 too bad keolewa doesn't come back when you throw it :-( 11:32 now we are cooking with microwave technology 11:33 that would be cool 11:33 I'm just glad to have some extra damage this early in the game 11:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) destroyed Gutso's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:27016 (3:36:25) 11:47 sooooo...wizard can forge glamdring, unlocking skill for sword of annihilation 11:49 goddammit krm26 you aren't supposed to SAY that 11:49 i'm aware 11:50 * K2 changes SoA to be a knife 11:50 lol 11:50 unironically should be a broadsword 11:50 too many long swords 11:51 should be able to forge sunsword+demonbane together to make a cool priest mace or hammer. poor priests! 11:51 ^ this idea makes me very happy 11:52 noted 11:53 oooh ooh, demonbane + werebane -> silver small shield that doesn't block casting and stops demon gating 11:53 OOHHHH 11:53 but then you give up demonbane :( 11:53 i'll be in my bunk 11:53 gotta make sacrifices 11:54 sacrifices to k2 11:55 any two quest artifacts -> expensive metal imitation amulet of yendor 11:55 hehehe 11:56 fools your god for one turn more 11:56 when the amulet is stolen, can covetous monsters accidentally take an imitation if there is one in inventory? 11:56 I think they just go for the real thing 11:56 could be wrong though 11:56 lame 11:56 i think you are right 11:57 does the amulet still sometimes teleport when dropped? i think my last 4 ascensions it has just been right there 11:57 kind of weird considering they are apparently fooled by imitations enough to carry them around 11:57 the amulet doesn't tele on the sanctum 11:57 when did that change happen? 11:57 it is nice 11:58 just in 0.8.1 I believe? 11:58 guess you wouldn't want it to teleport under lucifer, heh 11:59 i generally avoid wizards but i gotta make the staff 12:00 maybe i can evaporate that one too 12:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:29775 (4:04:46) 12:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) had a pair of gauntlets of protection entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:30524 (4:07:52) 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 197 points, T:513, killed by an arrow 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 55 points, T:182, killed by a water demon 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 290 points, T:1119, killed by a hobbit 12:42 -!- qt has joined #evilhack 12:58 heya qt 13:01 howdy 13:08 is NYC getting the artic blast like we are up here in VT tomorrow? 13:08 arctic 13:09 hmm I guess so, it is definitely supposed to be really cold over the weekend (low of 5 degrees) -- is that what you mean? 13:09 yeah 13:10 we're looking at -18 to -20 here by tomorrow afternoon (actual temps) 13:10 wow 13:10 which was actually normal night time temps a few years ago 13:10 but global warming 13:11 make sure to wear a coat 13:11 pfft 13:11 i have my readable hawaiian shirt. i'll be fine 13:12 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #evilhack 13:13 my boss said i can leave a bit early tomorrow if necessary. doggos have winter undercoats and can handle those temps, but the windchill is gonna be nasty, get the doggogs inside 13:14 do your dogs just stay outside during the day when you aren't at work? 13:15 the right kind of dog can be quite comfy in the right kind of outdoors in evil weather 13:16 qt yes 13:16 or they can be a big baby who rolls on his back with his paws in the air and waits for me to carry him inside from the evil cold snow 13:19 our back yard is fenced in, they have about 0.5 acres to run around in 13:19 and by run around, i mean snooze in the sun or under the deck 13:20 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:20 a german shepherd (traditional type, not long-haired) can be just fine in -15 to -20 F temps, especially if they have snow to curl up in 13:21 around -25 is when we'd see the dogs start walking funny (ground too cold for their paws) 13:22 but, with tomorrows wind chill supposed to be around -45 to -50, i'll leave work early and get them inside 13:23 if amateurhour were here, he'd start a 'booties for doggos' campaign 13:24 why don't you just suspend them from a rope and harness so they don't have to touch the ground 13:24 the snow helps keep em warm! hang em in the air and they will be popsicles 13:24 K2's famous hanging pupsicles 13:25 ^ this 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Gia Mal Una) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:36672 (4:59:44) 13:25 snow is a decent insulator 13:25 make a tourist attraction out of it 13:25 hah 13:27 i was looking at gnollhack's scroll of retraining last night. they added a couple new functions for it to work (one of which if added, would break saves) 13:27 what does it do? 13:27 trying to see if there's a way to do what it does with existing functions 13:27 and how does it break saves? 13:27 link it up baby 13:27 qt: when you read the scroll, it untrains all of your weapon skills, allows you to reallocate the points 13:28 https://github.com/k21971/GnollHack/search?q=retraining&type=commits 13:29 i guess it would break saves to add a new item anyway? 13:29 my idea was this: if you read a blessed scroll of amnesia and have high enough INT, allow skill point reallocation 13:29 idk maybe it doesn't 13:29 qt yeah but i was seeing if i could do it without having to make a new object 13:30 if you add a new obj or monster, breaks saves for sure 13:30 does it even if you add it at the very end of the list? 13:30 or if you add a new bitfield to an existing struct in you.h 13:30 i guess it's a moot point for a scroll 13:31 so instead of making a new obj, repurpose an existing one that normally is never used for anything other than polyfodder 13:32 every time you talk about breaking saves i remind you that the next time you do it you could add a bunch of dummies in and maybe an empty data word in a few structures and then you would never break saves again 13:32 until i do :) 13:33 i tried some things with lose_weapon_skill() but did not have any success 13:33 those attacks that lose you skillpoints are really evil btw 13:33 it sort of seems like the number of slots removed by lose_weapon_skill always matches the param you give it 13:34 so maybe you can just set u.weapon_slots = u.ulevel - 1 after calling it to give those points back 13:34 or u.weapon_slots += u.ulevel - 1 I guess 13:34 idk if you can get more slots than that or not 13:34 hmm 13:35 i tried lose_weapon_skill(P_NUM_SKILLS) but bleh 13:35 why'd you change that part? 13:35 no i didnt change the function 13:35 I mean why'd you change the function call compared to how gnollhack has it 13:35 change the parameter 13:36 gnollhack adds two new functions, one of which will break saves 13:36 i was trying to work out a way to do it without having to add new functions 13:36 what function does it add that breaks saves 13:36 i thought the savebreaking part of this commit was the new item and the change to struct you 13:36 u.max_weapon_slots 13:36 that's just an int though not a function 13:37 right 13:37 but its a new bitfield added to struct you 13:37 that by itself will break saves 13:37 even if you dont add a new obj 13:38 but it seems like the only point of that is tracking how many slots you should have after the call to lose_weapon_skill 13:38 so that's what I'm saying, if you know in advance how many slots you'll lose (which seems like it should always be the actual param you pass the function) you can do away with it I think 13:38 that would be nice 13:38 qt's logic is sound 13:39 just make it a macro instead of a variable 13:39 i was hoping there'd be a way to do this without being as involved as gnollhack's method 13:39 i'm not sure why it is necessary at all, i mean, you can already have unspent skill points 13:39 their approach seems needlessly weird 13:40 actually it probably makes even more sense to not use lose_weapon_skill 13:40 but create another function that just clears your skills without removing slots at all 13:40 <------- 13:40 or ^---------- 13:40 that would be ideal 13:40 and nice 13:40 nice and ideal 13:40 although you can already do this with added pain + amnesia 13:41 sort of 13:41 take a brand new character, read a bunch of scrolls of amnesia - nothing happens 13:41 you know what would be cool? a weird-ass type artifact (like boomerang or whip) that "temporarily conveys during use" skill in it 13:42 with weird -ass bugs to go with it :P 13:44 K2, try this maybe https://termbin.com/hk8yr 13:45 i love you 13:45 errr I mean oh thanks qt, i will try that 13:46 that's basically the "no free slots left so clear an existing skill" logic from lose_weapon_skill 13:46 hmm 13:46 just changed so it doesn't remove slots, just resets skills and refunds the points 13:46 perfect 13:46 trying it out now 13:47 i guess the 'void' in the function declaration should really be 'VOID_ARGS' for consistency with the rest of the 3.6 code 13:48 the param part, not the return type part 13:48 yeah 13:51